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Love my MartinLogan F100s and Center Channel. Perfect sound and punch in my space and couldn't be happier! Really glad they came out when they did, because I had just completed my build and wanted to make the right choice in my space! Currently pairing it with the Sony ES7000 AVR and really loving it all!
Hello Michael, thank you for the positive review! I have had my Dynamo 1600X for sometime now, which was paired by my dealer with a pair of the Classic 9 electrostats in a 2.1 music system (not theater). I ran the ARC with a laptop AND the perfect bass mic kit system. The stand is of professional quality and I used 5 listening positions. Cool thing is, you get complete data (graphs) on the laptop as it communicates directly with the sub via the USB connector on its rear panel. The graphic display shows what you started with both before and AFTER ARC, and whats nice is, you can switch it in and out ON THE FLY and hear the differences. After ARC calibration, now, you can fine tune to your tastes with the filters and levels and all that usual tools. Again, ARC is the real star with this sub, and as you showed, the fact that it is 'convertible' is a nice and thoughtful touch, ALSO, an optional wireless capability too. To conclude, ARC in my 24x18' space re-tuned the sub to 16Hz and took out a huge bump I had at 25 Hz. What a difference!, I used a tablet as remote during setup fine tuning, but once that was done, I never fuss with it. Many thanks for the Martin Logan 'nod' 👍
I’ve had these as soon as they were available. I’ve got the AVM90 with the Classe Delta 2 channel for the front stage. These ML F200’s really come alive with a dedicated 2 channel amplifier.
My experience with these subs and the app is that the app limits the customization to the SW settings and EQ. Having an Anthem mic and the ARC Genesis, one gains full control of SW customization prior to using the receiver's room correction.
How is the sound compared to JTR? You said you were calpping when you heard Hans Zimmer on the JTRs! So are they cleaner and better and just do not look as good as the Martin Logans?
@@Youthman Thx a lot man! It is a hard way, but in near future i will buy a complete 5.1 JTR setup for my Home (also using as stereo for music). In germany you also have to pay taxes -.- But it would be worth!
Nice review and setup, Mike. Thank you. I am enjoying the B100 as rear and side surrounds in a 7.4.4 setup. They sounds fabulous for HT. For critical two channel listening, I found them to be a little hot in the treble. Not as refine as other speakers in my systems (a little grainy and a little smearing in the mid range), but they are amazingly fun with very low distortion drivers! As a side note, the B100 are really not 93 dB speakers from my experience....sound much closer to 87 dB. 😀😀😀
Michael, I have the Klipsch RF-7 III's for my LCR. After watching this video, I went to Abt Electronics and put the F200's through the ringer with some music. I have to tell you, I was just as impressed as you were. Although I prefer my RF-7 III's for our HT sound, I am thinking about grabbing a pair of these for our living room, which is where we mainly listen to music. Thanks for the review! Now to reach out to Ryan...
I agree! The RF7 III are fantastic speakers. But as you have stated, for 2ch listening, being a 3-way design with a dedicated midrange driver plus the folded motion tweeter, I feel the F200’s are superior.
What is the recommended AVR for this? You have tested it with a DENON, I was recommended to buy Anthem by one of the local audio specialists, so I am undecided as what would bring the best out of these beauties. Any recommendations?
@Youthman, more and more I find myself following your video. Hope you can help me. I am considering replacing my Polk Audio RT-2000P (it has built in powered subwoofer) which I bought used in 2011. Still delivering solid performance though. I am looking at the following speakers : the ML Motion XT200, the Definitive Technology DM80, the Arendal 1723 THX, Polk Audio L600. I like a speaker that could deliver accurate sound when listening to jazz, classical piano, pop. A satisfying home theater sound is icing on the cake. I am retired so this might be a last purchase for me.
Hello Youthman… brilliant review as usual! May I ask about how one would go about combining ARC on the subs with Dirac Live on my RZ70 for example? Is it better in this case to avoid the ARC on the subs altogether relying solely on Dirac?… or do they complement each other with great benefits seen running ARC on subs just prior to running Dirac on the whole 5.1.4 system? Thanks very much Youthman… I’m VERY curious about this question. :)
I always find it humorous at people’s assumptions. I wish I was sponsored by MartinLogan. I have not heard the Founder series in my own space to see how they compare to the F200 series.
@jamiesmith8307 they had them on display (not connected) at their booth at CEDIA 2023. ua-cam.com/video/Jb2QOTccSGI/v-deo.htmlsi=wNzzWP5jU-SeSWF3 I heard them last year at Audio Advice Live in a 2ch setup. They sounded great.
The way I saw you throwing that subwoofer around showing the feet I knew it would be a let down. For 2,0000. there are a lot of really really good subs. For less than double you can get some real experience altering subs from JTR. I would get the speakers but skip these ML subs.
Although they sound good, they certainly are nowhere near the caliber of say a JTR subwoofer. But many people do not have the budget for a $4,500 subwoofer. You are correct. There is a lot of competitive subs in the $2,000 range that could outperform them.
Great review. I have the f200 but have been interested in the JTR 212htr would that be an upgrade or more of a horizontal move. I understand it’s not Apples to apples comparison and only asking for your opinion. These would be 90% movie 10% music if that helps. Thanks Youthman.
JTR speakers and subs are on an entirely different level. Really no comparison. JTR is my end game speakers and subs. And I have heard a LOT of systems over the years.
I also have the F200's and have heard several JTR setups. For 90% movie use, I would objectively recommend the JTR's all day. For more of mixed use is when personal preference would come into play.
im in the same boat, my klipsch are a party speaker not a articulated listening speaker, so im selling all my klipsch speakers i might keep the center speaker tho
If you end up going with a different brand, there’s no reason to keep your Center channel. It’s not going to be even remotely close to the same sound characteristics as another brand.
@@Youthman ya i figured that much, but getting a matching center speaker from overseas is easier said than done, and working on a budget is more changeling
@@Youthman wish i had a bigger budget $$$$ but i dont, mostly im sticking for a low budget, sound is more important to me than looks, but sometimes you get get a little of both without spending big bucks, because they do make good speakers on a budget over seas but most of the times its hard to get over here because they don't usually ship internationally or there not well known brands
I explained it in the first 30 seconds of the video. If they sound great in my living room, they will sound even better in an acoustically treated dedicated theater room.
I had to turn off cec in my Marantz and use the ARC port on the tv to get sound out. This stopped the issue with my Marantz doing the same thing. I also have a Samsung tv.
Martin Logans sister to these, the Paradigm Founder are amazing as well. With a better center (90c) and finishes imo. I auditioned towers from both lines, and both sound amazing and pretty close in price.
I have two home theater sets. They both have dolby atmos and vison and dts-x the one down stairs has 22 speakers and 8 subwoofer and two center channel and in my room I got 9.2
@@blaze2051 klipsch sound is very scratchy and loud. Then u hear Martin Logan and WOW night and day. Clear, balanced. You dont have to force yourself to understand what is playing. I am so glad I didnt buy klipsch without researching!
If you have Klipsch that sounds scratchy, you have a broken speaker. I have owned over 50 pair of Klipsch speakers over the years and not a single speaker I have ever heard anything close to being described as scratchy. They offer clarity, detail and dynamics. What they lack is refined midrange that the MartinLogan F200’s provide.
Great review! Glad you upgraded to these speakers and got rid of Klipsch speakers. Can you please consider doing new Focal speakers? I think you'll be surprised by them!
I’ve never understood why someone is happy that someone else went with a different brand. No brand will be a good fit for everyone. Whether that’s MartinLogan, Klipsch, Focal, B&W or any other brand. You have to find the sound your ears prefer.
If the price weren't so high I'd have a set of the towers. Those and the kef r11 are beautiful sounding speakers. Martin logan/paradigm in my opinion is one of the few speaker companies that take subwoofers seriously. The dynamo 1100x and 1600x while pricey are fantastic sealed subs.
Excellent video, straightforward, easy to understand. The speakers look, and I have no doubt , sound, as good if not better, than they look. Well done 👏
If you think Martin Logan is a good loudspeaker factory, designer, then you have to think again. Martin Logan LX16 is not a good speaker in terms of sound. The speaker has problems in the frequency and other problems. And goes down to below 3 ohms at the lowest, something that not all amplifiers like, especially not cinema amplifiers
@@Youthman Unfortunately, popular does not mean the same as good sound without problems! There are many people who do not know what good sound is. (gr research) had a video 2 years ago about 3 speakers, one of which was the Martin Logan LX16. If you look at it, you'll know what I'm talking about.
@@Youthman That is the problem with many cheap and mid-range speakers. I've been dealing with speakers long enough, so I know how a speaker should and shouldn't measure up. I know what is CHEAP or good quality components. If you look at the speaker crossover filter on many speakers, there are often CHEAP components and the terminal uses magnetic steel. This is the reality. Too many speakers have a maximum price the factory can use. And in order to hang on to enough money, the quality is often compromised?
These speakers have amazing drivers and cabinets. A little tinkering will bring these up to objectively stellar levels; unfortunately, most speakers are design with "house sound" in mind. I think all the issues we see are purposely design into the speakers.
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I purchased all Motion XT series speakers in a 7.2.4 configuration from Ryan. Couldn't be happier.
That’s fantastic! Glad you are enjoying them.
Love my MartinLogan F100s and Center Channel. Perfect sound and punch in my space and couldn't be happier! Really glad they came out when they did, because I had just completed my build and wanted to make the right choice in my space! Currently pairing it with the Sony ES7000 AVR and really loving it all!
Thanks!
Thank you for the Super Thanks Blaze! Appreciate the support.
How do the F200/100 compare to the previous series 60XTi?
Hello Michael, thank you for the positive review! I have had my Dynamo 1600X for sometime now, which was paired by my dealer with a pair of the Classic 9 electrostats in a 2.1 music system (not theater).
I ran the ARC with a laptop AND the perfect bass mic kit system. The stand is of professional quality and I used 5 listening positions. Cool thing is, you get complete data (graphs) on the laptop as it communicates directly with the sub via the USB connector on its rear panel.
The graphic display shows what you started with both before and AFTER ARC, and whats nice is, you can switch it in and out ON THE FLY and hear the differences. After ARC calibration, now, you can fine tune to your tastes with the filters and levels and all that usual tools.
Again, ARC is the real star with this sub, and as you showed, the fact that it is 'convertible' is a nice and thoughtful touch, ALSO, an optional wireless capability too.
To conclude, ARC in my 24x18' space re-tuned the sub to 16Hz and took out a huge bump I had at 25 Hz. What a difference!, I used a tablet as remote during setup fine tuning, but once that was done, I never fuss with it. Many thanks for the Martin Logan 'nod' 👍
I’ve had these as soon as they were available. I’ve got the AVM90 with the Classe Delta 2 channel for the front stage. These ML F200’s really come alive with a dedicated 2 channel amplifier.
Just bought them. R100 and C100
Always nice to see and hear Michael's joy over some amazing speakers
You can always tell by the size of my smile 😀
My experience with these subs and the app is that the app limits the customization to the SW settings and EQ. Having an Anthem mic and the ARC Genesis, one gains full control of SW customization prior to using the receiver's room correction.
Yes the app is “down and dirty”. Super quick and handy for those that do not want to dive deep into measurements.
How is the sound compared to JTR? You said you were calpping when you heard Hans Zimmer on the JTRs! So are they cleaner and better and just do not look as good as the Martin Logans?
F200’s do not compare to JTR on many different levels.
@@Youthman Thx a lot man! It is a hard way, but in near future i will buy a complete 5.1 JTR setup for my Home (also using as stereo for music). In germany you also have to pay taxes -.- But it would be worth!
Nice review and setup, Mike. Thank you. I am enjoying the B100 as rear and side surrounds in a 7.4.4 setup. They sounds fabulous for HT. For critical two channel listening, I found them to be a little hot in the treble. Not as refine as other speakers in my systems (a little grainy and a little smearing in the mid range), but they are amazingly fun with very low distortion drivers! As a side note, the B100 are really not 93 dB speakers from my experience....sound much closer to 87 dB. 😀😀😀
Michael, I have the Klipsch RF-7 III's for my LCR. After watching this video, I went to Abt Electronics and put the F200's through the ringer with some music. I have to tell you, I was just as impressed as you were. Although I prefer my RF-7 III's for our HT sound, I am thinking about grabbing a pair of these for our living room, which is where we mainly listen to music. Thanks for the review! Now to reach out to Ryan...
I agree! The RF7 III are fantastic speakers. But as you have stated, for 2ch listening, being a 3-way design with a dedicated midrange driver plus the folded motion tweeter, I feel the F200’s are superior.
What is the recommended AVR for this? You have tested it with a DENON, I was recommended to buy Anthem by one of the local audio specialists, so I am undecided as what would bring the best out of these beauties. Any recommendations?
You can get great sound from a Denon, Marantz, Anthem etc. it all comes down to proper calibration.
@@Youthman Great, I will stick to Denon then.
@Youthman, more and more I find myself following your video. Hope you can help me. I am considering replacing my Polk Audio RT-2000P (it has built in powered subwoofer) which I bought used in 2011. Still delivering solid performance though.
I am looking at the following speakers : the ML Motion XT200, the Definitive Technology DM80, the Arendal 1723 THX, Polk Audio L600.
I like a speaker that could deliver accurate sound when listening to jazz, classical piano, pop. A satisfying home theater sound is icing on the cake. I am retired so this might be a last purchase for me.
Hello Youthman… brilliant review as usual! May I ask about how one would go about combining ARC on the subs with Dirac Live on my RZ70 for example? Is it better in this case to avoid the ARC on the subs altogether relying solely on Dirac?… or do they complement each other with great benefits seen running ARC on subs just prior to running Dirac on the whole 5.1.4 system? Thanks very much Youthman… I’m VERY curious about this question. :)
Why pick them over the paradigm founder series?
because he is sponsored by Martin logan to advertise their products
I always find it humorous at people’s assumptions. I wish I was sponsored by MartinLogan.
I have not heard the Founder series in my own space to see how they compare to the F200 series.
MartinLogan sent me the F200’s to review and I preferred them over my Klipsch RF7 III’s.
@@Youthman have you heard them at all? Of so whats your thoughts?
@jamiesmith8307 they had them on display (not connected) at their booth at CEDIA 2023. ua-cam.com/video/Jb2QOTccSGI/v-deo.htmlsi=wNzzWP5jU-SeSWF3
I heard them last year at Audio Advice Live in a 2ch setup. They sounded great.
The way I saw you throwing that subwoofer around showing the feet I knew it would be a let down. For 2,0000. there are a lot of really really good subs. For less than double you can get some real experience altering subs from JTR. I would get the speakers but skip these ML subs.
Although they sound good, they certainly are nowhere near the caliber of say a JTR subwoofer. But many people do not have the budget for a $4,500 subwoofer.
You are correct. There is a lot of competitive subs in the $2,000 range that could outperform them.
@@Youthman I know, you just don’t have to pay twice as much. And if you paying that much for speakers, I think you can make it to an RS1
That app is pretty nice too. Wish more companies had something like this to fine tune the woofer and find room vibrations!
Yes sir!
Great review. I have the f200 but have been interested in the JTR 212htr would that be an upgrade or more of a horizontal move. I understand it’s not Apples to apples comparison and only asking for your opinion. These would be 90% movie 10% music if that helps. Thanks Youthman.
JTR speakers and subs are on an entirely different level. Really no comparison. JTR is my end game speakers and subs. And I have heard a LOT of systems over the years.
Thanks Youthman
I also have the F200's and have heard several JTR setups. For 90% movie use, I would objectively recommend the JTR's all day. For more of mixed use is when personal preference would come into play.
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Thank you for the response. I really appreciate it.
For 2 channel music, would you recommend the XTF 200 Towers, or the Arendal 1723 Towers?
im in the same boat, my klipsch are a party speaker not a articulated listening speaker, so im selling all my klipsch speakers i might keep the center speaker tho
If you end up going with a different brand, there’s no reason to keep your Center channel. It’s not going to be even remotely close to the same sound characteristics as another brand.
@@Youthman ya i figured that much, but getting a matching center speaker from overseas is easier said than done, and working on a budget is more changeling
@blaze2051 that certainly does make it more challenging for sure
@@Youthman wish i had a bigger budget $$$$ but i dont, mostly im sticking for a low budget, sound is more important to me than looks, but sometimes you get get a little of both without spending big bucks, because they do make good speakers on a budget over seas but most of the times its hard to get over here because they don't usually ship internationally or there not well known brands
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Mike why didn't you try them t( F 200s and center in your HT room and the rest of your system?
I explained it in the first 30 seconds of the video. If they sound great in my living room, they will sound even better in an acoustically treated dedicated theater room.
Pls my Samsung tv anynet+ changes my Onkyo receiver's setting BD/DVD to Tv whenever I turn the TV on....what should I do to stop this
Throw TV out the window and buy a better one
@@yournightmare9999 exceedingly helpful
The only way I got my rz50 to stop this was to run all sources through the receiver and not use the smart functions on my lg c2. Hope this helps.
@@mattjones7547 thanks am gonna try that
I had to turn off cec in my Marantz and use the ARC port on the tv to get sound out. This stopped the issue with my Marantz doing the same thing.
I also have a Samsung tv.
Martin Logans sister to these, the Paradigm Founder are amazing as well. With a better center (90c) and finishes imo. I auditioned towers from both lines, and both sound amazing and pretty close in price.
Thanks Michael for the awesome and very detailed review! - Cheers!
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Another excellent review Youthman ... You always bring the important details too know ... Thank you
Thank you kindly. I do my best to be as thorough as I can be and share the info I’m looking for from a review.
For music only, do you recommend these over the Arendal 1723 Towers?
There's a post above, about these and JTR speakers. Check out the answers. Someone asks exactly about this.
I have two home theater sets. They both have dolby atmos and vison and dts-x the one down stairs has 22 speakers and 8 subwoofer and two center channel and in my room I got 9.2
Living rooms are always hard to get the best acoustics... those are great lookin speakers bud!
I agree.
Which Martin Logan speakers competes against the Klipsch Rp M2?
I don't think I've seen a sub that can change if it's downward or front facing before, and still having the grill fit! Very cool!
Nah, I thought I was sold with klipsch and was ready to pull the triger, till i heard Martin Logans.
really, what exactly made you reconsider?
@@blaze2051 klipsch sound is very scratchy and loud. Then u hear Martin Logan and WOW night and day. Clear, balanced. You dont have to force yourself to understand what is playing. I am so glad I didnt buy klipsch without researching!
If you have Klipsch that sounds scratchy, you have a broken speaker. I have owned over 50 pair of Klipsch speakers over the years and not a single speaker I have ever heard anything close to being described as scratchy. They offer clarity, detail and dynamics. What they lack is refined midrange that the MartinLogan F200’s provide.
@@Youthman yes midrange is so important to me, i had to go with a 3-way tower 'this is the way'
@@Youthman I think thats the best way I can describe the difference between the two, ML is refined while Klipsch is not.
Great review! Glad you upgraded to these speakers and got rid of Klipsch speakers. Can you please consider doing new Focal speakers? I think you'll be surprised by them!
I’ve never understood why someone is happy that someone else went with a different brand. No brand will be a good fit for everyone. Whether that’s MartinLogan, Klipsch, Focal, B&W or any other brand. You have to find the sound your ears prefer.
@@Youthman I agree with you!
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Liked the review as always but wish I could hear a demo with the review
Unfortunately audio demos do not provide any valuable info. Not to mention copyright issues.
Great video, but where is the Anthem AVM70 review?
Yo Michael😊
I love my XT100. I just bought the Blu ray on your recommendation
I can relate!
😆
If the price weren't so high I'd have a set of the towers. Those and the kef r11 are beautiful sounding speakers.
Martin logan/paradigm in my opinion is one of the few speaker companies that take subwoofers seriously. The dynamo 1100x and 1600x while pricey are fantastic sealed subs.
I know what you mean. My wife and I live in a townhouse and she let me get speakers for the living room.
Excellent video, straightforward, easy to understand. The speakers look, and I have no doubt , sound, as good if not better, than they look. Well done 👏
Thank you Paul.
Dying inside..... 🙈
Why is that?
If you think Martin Logan is a good loudspeaker factory, designer, then you have to think again.
Martin Logan LX16
is not a good speaker in terms of sound.
The speaker has problems in the frequency and other problems. And goes down to below 3 ohms at the lowest, something that not all amplifiers like, especially not cinema amplifiers
They seem to have a good review here - www.audioholics.com/bookshelf-speaker-reviews/motion-lx16/#toc-h2-3
@@Youthman
Unfortunately, popular does not mean the same as good sound without problems!
There are many people who do not know what good sound is.
(gr research) had a video 2 years ago about 3 speakers, one of which was the Martin Logan LX16.
If you look at it, you'll know what I'm talking about.
Has there been a speaker that he looked at that didn’t have a problem? he sells the solution. It’s what keeps him in business.
@@Youthman
That is the problem with many cheap and mid-range speakers.
I've been dealing with speakers long enough, so I know how a speaker should and shouldn't measure up. I know what is CHEAP or good quality components.
If you look at the speaker crossover filter on many speakers, there are often CHEAP components and the terminal uses magnetic steel.
This is the reality.
Too many speakers have a maximum price the factory can use. And in order to hang on to enough money, the quality is often compromised?
These speakers have amazing drivers and cabinets. A little tinkering will bring these up to objectively stellar levels; unfortunately, most speakers are design with "house sound" in mind. I think all the issues we see are purposely design into the speakers.