Lol sadly that is how it used to be before being a “nerd” was cool. Not sure how things turned out so main stream. Starwars used to be uncool to be a fan of openly. Same with games, comics, baseball card, dragon ball z and I can go on. Now everyone is on board and the train has left the station with out me and I’m okay with that.
@@baronroaster404 I'm sorry you are unable to spell That. It's not spelled Thag by the way. Hey, to each their own. If you like mainstream stuff and feel you have to like it in order to fit in, that's cool. You are bound to have identity crisis later in life if you do things for social acceptance. When is it okay with you to think for yourself?
I know, right? I mean, all they've done is keep the franchise alive between movies by investing their time, money and passion into it. How dare they expect to see the original cast back together again on the Falcon? Or Luke as a full fledged Jedi master at the height of his power? It's not like it was the last chance for that to happen or anything. Filthy bastards.
@@danhouse1989 Just because you don't understand passion doesn't mean you should mock it. Also, maybe learn to disagree with people without directly insulting them. Goodbye forever.
John Smith YOU GUYS LITERALLY HATED ON MARK HAMILL FOR POSTING A PIC OF ALL THE ORIGINAL CAST AS OLD PEOPLE IN THE MILLENNIUM FALCON. Keep the franchise alive? Invested? You guys hated on the actor for jar jar so bad that he was going to kill himself, and buying a ticket to see a movie isn’t special every fan base does that. Oh and the irony, you guys hated on George so bad that he sold the company and when he did and Disney made the sequels, who came running back for George AFTER it was too late? You guys. You guys aren’t fans you’re haters who expect the new movies to be just like the originals and if not you hate on everyone associated with it.
If you like the sequels, that' s ok If you hate the sequels that's ok If you attack people for loving/hating the sequels, than you're the problem Edit: how did start a comment war?
Nah burn that trilogy in hell. OT & Prequel fans will grow old and die and ones that remain are those that liked that corporate bullshit. I can't believe that Heir to the Empire will be forgotten.
Don’t complain about the parts of the franchise that you don’t like, just accept that you don’t like them, move on with your life, and celebrate what you do like. Use your love for the franchise as a positive outlet instead of a negative. Go ahead and criticize the films if you don’t like them, but once you’ve done that, accept it for what it is, move on with your life, and celebrate what you love. And no matter where you stand, whether you like the films or not, don’t attack other people just because their opinion is different from yours.
Fuck that... If i dont like something i dont ljke it... Is ljke nazis we dont like them ... So we must walk away or voice out our opinion.. Your advise to be pussies dpesnt work withme.. I had to voice and fight to make it in life.. Not easy escape like ur mind thinks
"They fly now" is gonna be the big over exaggeration of this movie. I predict it. Even though they are probably referring to the troopers following them, people. Will confuse it and somehow dig up the past and eat themselves.
@@techno639 Yeah it's like the most obvious thing that these people don't realize.Like this is the First Order not the Empire.We've never even seen the Empire use jetpacks in the movies.
I already knew Grace was bullshitting news. She couldn't get her facts straight about Henry Cavill doing the Witcher series. She claimed it was because he couldn't get good work because of Superman when that didn't make sense considering he is literally a big Witcher fan and and he's always wanted to play the role. He literally said this in an interview way before for mission impossible with ign when they asked him if he plays video games. The interviewer told him they were making a show about The Witcher on Netflix this is literally where he heard about the show and why he got the part.
I wouldn’t call her a Fandom Menace member since she’s far more of a leftist compared to the rest of the alt-right trolls. But yeah, she’s a really opinionated and misinformed journalist.
@@redfern6013 yes they're just saying that clone wars didn't have the opening crawl like Solo. If you don't like Solo at all that's fine but they weren't referring to clone wars being "bad". even rogue one didn't have a opening crawl like Young but Retro said
AK Master dude a tv show and a movie are completely different a tv show has more time to establish and make character development while movies have 2 hours or 3
AK Master well yeah that’s what the books and comics and video games ever since the prequels Star Wars has done this to fix there plot holes just check out tag and binks and while I disagree on you saying the characters have no development that’s your opinion and I respect it just glad you stayed well mannered and didn’t yell at me like the other fans tend to do
I checked on the stats of the Fandom Menacers on social blade. Every single one of them is on the decline with views and new subs, or they have gone straight into the toilet. Jeremy is getting about half as many views as he did in his "prime", and now he is trying to jump on the corona virus band wagon.
Okay. But this channel on the other hand is really exploding. Ten years in and it's gonna take off to moon any day now? I think everyone is doing alright all around. Ups and downs are totally normal anywhere (not everyone is pewdiepie). And the platform always changes. More and more content means more and more different options for people to watch. It's like with TV. At the beginning there were few channel choices, so of course as more and more were added, viewership goes down and spreads out. And people diversify more than they did years ago. The number of patreon accounts exploded. Or people had live streams were people donate money. When you have income coming from those sources, you don't really need youtube as much as you did when that was your sole income source.
Feanor _ The decline of their viewership can pretty much be attributed to their business model not being sustainable whatsoever. I know Geeks and Gamers likes to plug his website so maybe he might be alright but all these other guys are probably fucked. These are just reaction channels. They profit because they make a shitton of quick easy digestible videos based on subjects the algorithm pushes. That’s why these guys went from shitting on Star Wars to shitting on Captain Marvel when TLJ stuff started to be less profitable. These guys dont have stunning production value, excellent argumentation skills, nor charismatic personalities for the most part. They just repeat what the audience wants to hear on certain topics. And they’re gonna run out of topics or people are going to catch onto their grift. And as pointed out in the original comment, its already happening.
@@joefission7179 It would be helpful to know who exactly these channels are supposed to be to begin with. Because the Fandom Menace is quite large if this (khaoscentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/The-FandomMenace-Poster.jpg) is accurate. I don't know every channel that claims membership. But the ones closely linked to it like Ethan Van Sciver, Geeks and Gamers, World Class Bullshitters, Mauler, Overlord DVD, Nerdrotic. If you go on their socal blade, subscriber numbers are going up (or staying for Ethan van sciver) and total viewnumbers for all of them are going up. So who are these channels that are going down the toilet? Because of none of these channels I just named. He mentions Jeremy specifically, and I assume that is Geeks and Gamers. Sure he had months in 2019 where he did 6,7 million views a month with 9 million being his best. Right now he does about 4 million. Which is lower than that, but also for the most part more than he did throughout 2018. And I think doing 4 million a month is hardly going down the toilet . It's just trying to portray a narrative this persons wants to show. If you look up Major Lee on social blade, only in these last two months his view numbers went up (and they are far away from 4 million btw). If I look at January, February of 2020 where he did around 100k views, that is also only a third of what he did in November 2018 or only half of what he did in June of 2019. You see, you can do that for other channels as well. Just goes to show that there are ups and downs in general. Now if you say their business models is not sustainable whatsoever. They are all doing better than this channel, so? Some of them have podcasts and get a lot of money from those. And they are all review channels. Major Lee is hardly different. And what you react to is based on what is being released. You say they went on shitting on Star Wars to Captain Marvel when TLJ started being less profitable. You do realize TLJ came out in December 2017 and Captain Marvel in March 2019, right? Of course you move on from any given topic at some point and do videos on other shit. I would assume most of them also did videos on movies that were released between the two. And in many cases it's actually the viewers that want them to do stuff on TLJ or Star Wars. The EFAP guys mentioned this, that viewers request they react to videos on that all the time. What is clear from you comment is that you simply don't like them. Which is okay. Nobody is forcing you to. But you are letting it affect your argument. Because you say that they are just saying what the audience wants to hear and they're trying to trick people out of their money. How does that work. People were divided on TLJ for the most part. And if Rotten Tomatoes is to be believed, audiences loved ROS for the most part. So shouldn't the Fandom Menace then make videos praising that movie, since that should be what audiences want to hear. But they don't. Is it so hard to believe that they actually don't like these films. They explain clearly why that is. And please don't talk about argumentation skills under a Maj0r Lee video. That's laughable saying others do not under a video of a guy that argued "You get to look at women" as a pro for TLJ. Again, it depends on what fandom menace members one might talk about. The ones I know argue circles around Lee and they are all doing better with their channls.
Feanor _ The fuck dude. I’m pointing out that their channels are declining but then you say “well they’re still doing better than when they started out” which is not a refutation to my argument. I didn’t think it would be that hard to understand that argument since you follow the people that act like Star Wars was dying because TLJ didnt make as much money. Also I pointed out that they just do what the audience wants them to do. You admit that they do videos based off what their audience does. So yeah I don’t know what point youre trying to disprove there. Also theres clips or tweets out there of thequartering straight up saying that he doesn’t believe a lot of the things he says and just does it for views and I think Geeks and Gamers has said something similar. And you keep deflecting by saying “lol this channel isnt doing that well either.” That’s just a lame whataboutism. Whether you like it or not, this guy puts a shitton more effort into his work than most of these fandom menace guys considering most of these guys dont even edit. And I don’t know if Major Lee is aiming to get a lot of views or if he’s just having fun. But I know Geeks and gamers is (there’s a clip in the vid showing this) and I bet a lot of others do it too. Thats why they pump put low effort content that the algorithm finds profitable. But yeah, I have problems with Major Lee cuz he seems to betray some decent points by doubling down on a troll persona. Did you really think the video with the thumbnail of Rian Johnson on the Christ cross wasn’t going to be mostly jokes? But he did get to the heart of why these people can be pretty bad and that’s because they’re just a rumor mill. A lot of unfounded speculation, misinformation, childish gossip, and bad arguments. And its not just that they make bad points, they make points that contradict themselves sometimes in the very same video. And they milk subjects dry. Like Geeks and Gamers has over 100 vids on Brie Larson and thats not exaggerating. UA-cam is pretty unstable in general and what’s profitable changes constantly, but it seems very likely to me that people start to catch onto the grift.
I just unsubscribed to Grace too. Damn, she talks so much shit! Her review of Creed 2 should have been the final straw the way she was criticising Stallone and she never seemed to do her research into the movie either!!
GameStation3 More accurately, a lot of Star Wars fans really have no idea what they want. “We want to see something different” is inevitably followed by “This doesn’t feel like Star Wars”.
Sleuth Not only is he the Joker, his is one of the most beloved portrayals of the character ever. And then there's all his other roles and voice over work he's done. The man should be proud of his body of work.
Originally trilogy: We Love It! Prequel Trilogy: We Hate it! Years later: Original Trilogy: Old but we still love it Prequel Trilogy: It’s better than we thought Sequel Trilogy: We love/hate it!
@@skaraokplays not to mention, when Disney is going to make a new trilogy, there are probably going to be people claiming it ruined the franchise and that it was disrespectful to the sequels
Grace Randolph: "Kathleen Kennedy is about to be fired..." [announcement that Kennedy's contract has been extended for three years] Grace Randolph: "...in three years."
Why are they so sensitive about this diversiy that they add, I can't imagine how they watch empire strikes back. Empire: Leia directing soldier. Them: "ah, the pro female agenda, it hurts." Empire: Lando calrisian Them: a black person, how dare they push their pro diversity agenda on me, they hate white men. Empire: "I am your father" Them: "no, anything but this, no!!!!, we were told that Vader killed Luke's father, not that he is his father, the severtion, it burns, no!!!!!!" (Heart attack).
@@saberiandream316 first of all, financially Disney is not losing any money, they are doing amazing in the money department, the sequel trilogy, (like it or not), is the highest grossing trilogy ever made, and with the mandalorian and clone wars season 7 being the only Disney plus original content that people care about on the service at the moment, and disney is still 5 years a head of their subscription expectations, second, they removed the legends stuff from cannon not because they hate it, but because over the last 40 years that thing became to convoluted to follow, so making any new projects without stepping on those stories became imposible, so they decided to reboot it and bring stuff from there to the new cannon, like boba fett surviving, thrawn, the emperor returning as a clone, and they are now doing the high rebublic, probably because they have some ideas to do stuff with the old republic, they wanted to make the star wars universe more approachable to new fans rather then scar them with a ton of lore, DC comics for example did this like 4 or 5 times.
I don't think that's why we dislike the films. Good writing doesn't recognize gender, race or politics. It's a shallow and narrow-minded criticism of the fandom. Explain the love for Ahsoka, Ripley, Sarah Connor, Arya Stark, Danaerys Targaryen etc.
@@saberiandream316 jesus dude, chill, what do you want from me, you said that they deleted the old cannon because they hated it and something about a gay kiss or something, I told you their reasons, new normie star wars stuff coming out, das new fans, das need for exsesability to new audiences, you don't have to like it but that's what this is, also the high rebublic sales issues are not because of Disney, there are two main reasons, 1) this is a new era with new characters and some people just want familiarity, and 2) people like geeks and gamers saw a woman with a haircut that they dislike so they decided to go on a rant about nothing before it even came out, it has nothing to do with quality, because light of the jedi got pretty good reviews from what I've seen, haven't gotten around to reading it myself yet, but that's because of the pandemic.
@@jackcoupland6035 Jeremy Jahns always had mixed feelings about the movie from the very beginning, his first review of it was like “I’m not sure how I feel about it yet” then the spoiler review be started to talk about how he didn’t love it like he wanted to, and I think his distaste of the movie kind of blossomed after that which I can understand. Being let down like that totally creates harsher and more extreme opinions on something. All these other “reviewers” legitimately had 180s for views, at least Jahns never fully liked it like these other people
The part where the man called "John Talks" talks about "Does J.J. think people will eat this shit up?" when talking about the "red stormtroopers" is answerable in one word: Yes. They will eat it up. It's merchandise. People buy figurines of desert troopers, shore troopers, mud troopers, scout troopers, all colors of clone trooper, etc. George Lucas understood this. He was huge into merchandise from day 1.
“Star Wars is getting too political.” Yeah... politics has always been a major theme throughout the entire saga going back to the original trilogy. George saw the empire as a metaphor for The US under Nixon and the rebels as the troops in North Vietnam. This is nothing new.
@@shreyvaghela3963 Well, if politics was shoved down to your face, then the characters break the fourth wall and says something to the audience. That's exactly what PSAs did. I'm sorry. If a woman with a a dyed hair is considered "political" instead of real politics like an allegory of Vietnam War, then that shows that the Fandom Menace has a brain that is a size of a walnut.
I am in disbelief that “the Fandom Menace” is a real thing. Oh my lord... They said their motto is “spread common sense” I’m being trolled. This is not real. This is a simulation.
@priest S'fox My comment is meant to OP. His surprise to find other opinions (although filtered through persons akin to his own opinions) means to me that he has made for himself a jail in which everybody thinks like him.
@priest S'fox Yes because complaining like an angry child will make things better. If you want Lucasfilm to treat you better, act like someone who deserves to be. If you really hate people that like what Lucasfilm has recently put out, than you need to get a life
@priest S'fox I'm complaining about the immature actions by a small community towards a film company simply because they didn't like one film and there's so called "politics" You guys aren't winning. Kathleen Kennedy is still in charge (John Faverau taking over is just a rumor), EA is still gonna make Star Wars games maybe alongside Lucasarts, the former Game of thrones trilogy is still happening and so is Rian Johnson's trilogy also Galaxy's Edge looks better than ever now that Rise of the Resistance is finally open also Mandalorian and Jedi fallen order were lit and so will Rise of Skywalker be I'm honestly glad this is happening because JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy did literally nothing wrong. They never called the fanbase sexist, you people just too what they said and twisted it to shape your opinion. "The Force is female" was a Nike promotion Kennedy was invited to and JJ Abrams said there are a lot of tough females in the SW universe; none of that means they're calling the fanbase sexist The only people who called haters of the last jedi sexist/racist were a vocal minority that only existed for a month. Lucasfilm isn't scared of a bunch of angry millenials on UA-cam complaining about the same thing and saying the same thing over and over again. They only listen to valid criticisms, like the fact that they put out too many films in 4 years, guess what? Now they're taking a break :) If anything the Fandom Alliance is winning 🤟
This is one of the best franchises with one of the worst fan bases. I can enjoy every single Star Wars film, but if I ever say anything about the prequels, OT or sequels, I will be attacked by fans of the other trilogies or even the fans of the one I’m talking about. I’m just sick of arguing about how Rian Johnson didn’t ruin the franchise and how the prequels are decent films overall
@KnicksMusic For you maybe he did, for me he did not. But you know what else DID OBJECTIVELY ruin the franchise? Episode 1 Episode 2 Star Wars: Christmas Special George Lucas
KnicksMusic Ep 1’s duel was the only good thing about it, and ep 2’s dialogue is so fucking awful it makes me want to throw myself into the tv. It’s not good dialogue, it’s memorable for all the wrong reasons. And now because Disney have 3 lead characters in ep 8 who are women (Rey, Holdo, Rose) with 2 being badly written (Holdo, Rose), it makes it SJW...? Diversity in a story doesn’t make the story SJW unless it outright says ‘look at this women/black/Hispanic character. Look at how womenly/black/Hispanic they are. U will like this women/black/Hispanic character or else ur a misogynistic, racist bigot who supports Trump’. As it is a Star Wars film; meaning, in the stars, the race/sexuality/gender of a character should have no impact on the plot or narrative of the film, because then it’s pandering. Ep 7 & 8 haven’t done this and I doubt 9 will either. If there is a whole scene where Poe and Finn kiss, or where Rey’s gender is commented on, then it’s only there to pander to the SJW audience and their agendas and that is not a good thing. If u are referring to Rey being a Mary Sue as the SJW pandering, I completely agree that it seems like pandering, but there is a popular theory going around about how Rey is so powerful being explained in ep 9, (Film Theory’s vid here: m.ua-cam.com/video/qfBKypfqmOk/v-deo.html), in a way which makes perfect sense and would appease fans, and so ur comment is made redundant. Modern Star Wars is not SJW but has simply adapted to newer times to make sure it wasn’t called out by the left by adding a wider array of characters. And ur right, George Lucas wouldn’t have made these films because he would have tried something completely new that would not have worked unlike these films that try and (mostly) succeed at being new and original stories for both new and old Star Wars fans to enjoy. George Lucas did not solely write ep. 4, 5 or 6 but did for ep 1,2 and 3, and everyone saw how that turned out. U like the prequels, and I like both prequels and sequels, and that’s ok, but I feel like u misunderstand the sequels like many misunderstood the prequels when they released. But I also want to say that I agree with u that SJW’s and their agendas are garbage and they deserve to burn in hell for eternity :)
Writing this literally 27 seconds in: The hatred of Kathleen Kennedy reminds me of the hate George Lucas got after the prequels. I jad friends in elementary and junior high school saying shit like, "I can't believe that Lucas made the prequels as horrible as they are!" Now, they probably say bullshit like, "I love the prequels! The sequels were ruined by that bitch Kathleen Kennedy!" I love Star Wars. All of it. I do not call myself a Star Wars fan because of the negative context of the dickheads that call themselves "Star Wars fans" and harrass people because they were in a movie they don't like or like a movie they don't like.
parents got their children to talk shit t the kid who played young anakin. Fucking adults would say to the child’s face that he ruined star wars. Lucas got threats that if he didn’t do star wars a certain way employees and their family members will get harassed . The dude who played jar jar even talked about this. these fandom menace and their “right to free speech” and their actions proved a flaw in the first amendment and this free society with no dictatorship , only produced more dictator like minds. they will be one reason in the decline of america. they proved how warped and i’ll their minds are. To go ballistic on a child over a sci fi fantasy franchise as if it was the end of the world. Hmm makes me sometimes wish we were under a cruel dictator so they could learn a lesson but i would have to suffer.
@@ashzole Yeah. This leads to George Lucas sold his movie franchise to Disney because of the backlash he got from fans who hated the prequels. Nowadays, since the Fandom Menace hated Disney so much, they wanted to bring George Lucas back to save the franchise, after all that hate that the fans threw on George Lucas. That's because you make a bad movie, doesn't mean you are a bad person in general. So I think the fans has to blame for the Star War's downfall, not George Lucas, Kathleen Kennedy, Disney, or everyone else including the actors. No one deserve death threats. To everyone in the Fandom Menace and prequel haters, congratulations, you played yourselves.
@Dman [Formerly Sneed] You can like something you want, but still, condoning harassment shouldn't be justified. Look at what happened to Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best.
Apparently, Jeremy actually originally really liked TLJ, but after everyone started hating it, he suddenly changed his mind and started hating just to become popular
How is that not possible? I walked out of the Last Jedi confused and trying to make excuses so that I could like it. When you have been hyped for a movie for over a year and spend the weeks leading up to it thinking about it a lot, it's very difficult to just accept that it was terrible only to come to that conclusion after a little while.
Oh yeah he would rather have a sex offender as a ceo than a woman who’s worked on many big movies and with big directors who has a clean history and is married to a big director
It helps to steer clear of videos spreading rumors and lies about Disney sequels and also watch trusted movie reviewers like Chris Stuckman and Jeremy Jahns who actually know about film and are actual fans of Star Wars instead of just Star Wars channels/Anti SJW channels with Star Wars Theory (to my knowledge) because he can be a non biased sequel hating reviewer
The bizarre thing is Star Wars hasn’t yet hired a none white male director for the films. Also Star Wars is an older person property so it was always going to struggle to connect with the younger audience. I remember when Clone wars started everyone hated Filnoni.
Actually, STAR WARS has always connected with kids better than it has with adults. The original trilogy wasn't universally beloved by critics (aka ADULTS), but the kids all loved it. The prequels trilogy was pretty much hated by most ADULTS but guess who loved it? The kids. And guess who loves this new trilogy? The kids. Who loved THE CLONE WARS animated show, and REBELS animated show the most (and THE RESISTANCE as well)? That's right! The kids. So what was this you were saying about STAR WARS being a older person property and having problems connecting with younger people? Oh, and his name is Filoni, with one "N" not "Filnoni" with two "Ns"
Glenn Myron but your kinda proving a point kids love Star Wars supposedly on TV but not as films. When Star Wars first came out it was one of only 5 major franchises I can think of planet of the apes, James Bond, Dirty Harry and Godzilla. Now trow a rock you hit a major franchise on TV or movie series aimed at the demographic Star Wars was aimed at. You have to compete with all of that now. So if the kids aren’t liking the new films you have to cater to the old people but there isn’t as much money to be made there. I think the flaw is they made a film series so far trying to please both demographics when they should have just focused on one the younger demographic and not catered to the adults by saying wasn’t everything that happens 40 years ago great weren’t those people great. Then giving all the old people the main plot points
You must really not have been paying attention at all to the last two movies, because the main plot points sure as hell weren't given to the old people; they focused squarely on Finn, Poe and Rey, pushing Han, Chewie, Leia and Luke (ie the "old people") into supporting roles. You are seriously talking(typing) out of your ass and just making a fool of yourself. No wonder you use gibberish as your handle.
2 episodes of The Mandalorian were directed by a black guy. Rick Famuyiwa directed episodes 2 & 6 so far..... So Star Wars was officially directed by a black guy 2 times and counting, and also Deborah Chow (an asian woman) directed episodes 3 & 7 so diversity of directors in SW when it comes to race has been expanded, granted it should have been years ago, but hey better late than never
@@TheGeekyHippie episode 7 was about the hunt for Luke Skywalker and full to the brim of the new generation looking at the old people and basically saying “your so great”. They give the big character arcs to Han and Luke. Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher were all top billed for 7,8 and 9. Hell even the final villain was Palpatine a character who realistically means nothing to most of the heroes. Yes they stupidly made Rey his granddaughter but because he had no impact on her development I can’t see why it exactly mattered to her.
@@Rounderyathecruel Well, she didn't lie to George Lucas. All of the misinformation against her is bogus. I'm not a fan nor a hater of Kathleen but the reason George Lucas had given up on Star Wars to Disney is because toxic fans keep making death threats on the actors and directors. Now history keeps repeat itself when the hate gets towards Kathleen Kennedy and the people who work at Lucas gets intensified which someone like you are holding responsible. Look at what happened to George back then. Maybe if George didn't face any backlash from the fans, then selling the franchise to Disney wouldn't have happened in the first place. Sadly, it's too late. The overblown hate on Kathleen Kennedy is exactly what happened to George Lucas during the prequel era. Now, the fans wanted to take George back despite all the crap they gave him. That's the truth.
Kathleen does something bad: “SHE IS A DISEASE AND RUINING STAR WARS” Kathleen does something good: “She has no involvement in the films, it’s all Bob Iger”
I've noticed that. The haters blame everything they don't like on Kennedy, and then every time they do like some (e.g. the Kenobi announcement, or the Mandalorian) they act like these things came about without her involvement or knowledge.
Exactly! Its the same with George : A New Hope is untouchable. Empire was better, bc "George didn't have any influence" (yeah right) and rotj gets worse again bc "George meddles". 😑
This is the woman who helped bring us Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, and Jurassic Park. You can't tell me that she isn't the right pick for the job and still expect me to take you seriously.
Well all enthusiasts get triggered easily if you destroy the subject of their enthusiasm. Disney 100% did destroy Starwars! On the other hand, It's just Starwars. A fairy. Not real scifi...so seeing Starwars destroyed kind of warms my Space:Above And Beyond heart laughs at it. People who trusted Disney ...like Toys'R'Us...lol
The Fandom Menace more like the Fandom Annoyance like I hated Disney Star Wars as well but I am able to move on with my life and not watch these films these nutcases aren't able to this.
@@rwkc3004 Not liking Disney Star wars doesn't make you a right wing nutcase. you missed the whole point. Or you might be actually beeing Rian Johnson... I actully play Starwars the tabletop RPG disnery starwars destroyed all lore of Starwars so a canon based RPG isn't even possible anymore.
@Steel Phoenix You are really comparing people enjoying movies you think are bad... to the people of jonestown.... what the hell.... you people are talking about a FICTIONAL MOVIE FRANCHISE... a bit extreme to have such a low opinion of others over it.
yup. the Clone wars was amazing and I can't wait for Mandalorian season 2. There's also an upcoming novel with short stories about the clone wars. it'll be a clone wars version of "From a Certain Point of View" I think
@@Jack_Stafford even if She was right and Landon DID have a thing for her, nothing Indicates they were actually romantically involved, and it would somewhat contradict them
@@brianbrush5107 as I indicated, the dialogue in the movie indicates they did have a relationship. She is questioned by Kira, "do you and Lando you know wink-wink, how would that even work". And L337 responds in a suggestive tone "oh believe me it works" and make some odd gesture. It doesn't take very much to read between those lines. What else could she be talking about? And if it was something innocent, why even include that in the dialogue? Also Lando's Behavior when she got shot, he didn't run out to help any humans, but after she got shot he risks his life for a Droid? Even after she falls apart he is dragging parts of her body into the Falcon, clearly not because she means nothing to him. But much more than a favorite Droid. You remember Leia's reaction when threepio was blown to bits was oh no, you think you can put him back together? And Han Solo acting like he couldn't care less. She didn't grab 3 POS head and start bawling like a baby. And then when Lando plugged L337 into the Millennium Falcon, he did it with a lot of reverence, they had their very personal last words, this clearly is not a normal human Droid relationship.
@@Jack_Stafford The suggestive tone could just be explained that droids can...somehow have Sex. Not necessarily that she and Lando did it. Landos reaction can be explained by him liking L3, But that Dosent mean they were in a relationship.
A lot of ppl seem to realize that if you dislike The Fandom Menace, you're labeled as a SJW. In reality, you can dislike BOTH sjws & The Fandom Menace, myself included.
Yeah; the one time you see any right-wingers acting exactly like SJWs online is when they're screaming about The Last Jedi. Just like every Republican President before the current one (each of whom in turn was declared a reincarnation of Hitler while he was in office) now gets a Strange New Respect™ from the left because Donald Trump is LITERALLY HITLER, so too does George Lucas (Satan's spawn, and alleged rapist of the fans' childhood) and his prequel trilogy now get a Strange New Respect™ now that LITERALLY SATAN'S SPAWN Kathleen Kennedy and her sequel trilogy from Hell are here.
"If you are a Kathleen Kennedy Fan, tell me how much she paying you" Wait... WE CAN BE PAYED BY SAYING SHE'S A GOOD PRODUCERS ? OH MY GOD, I DEFEND THIS WOMAN AND SAID HOW GOOD SHE IS SINCE 2012, ALL THIS MONEY LOST JUST BECAUSE NO ONE WARNED ME !!! WHAT NUMBER IT IS ? DOES THAT WORK FOR PREVIOUS VIDEOS AND OLD STUFF LIKE THAT ? Seriously, thos guy must have a very open mind to think that people can't think stuff they disagread to without beeing influence by money Let me turn the question, if you hate the Last Jedi, tell me how much Lucas, Warner, Fox, Donald Trump, the Russian, the illuminati, the reptillian, the minecraft youtuber and the resurect Hitler paying you.
20:31 Ladies and Gentlemen; FLAT BUTT. What's really nuts about this Jeremy guy is how you can watch him rant and rave and be sexist and call Kathleen a disease and all this shit...and then you catch a glimpse of stuff around his office that lets you know he's a DAD. Like holy shit, this dude is a father...and he's ranting on camera like a maniac...over Star Wars...AND he's willingly uploading it to the internet. His child is/children are going to grow up and find this. They're going to find out what kind of dude their Dad actually is. Yikes.
Oh, so I’m not a fan because I’m new? I’ve seen all the films multiple times, played the new Battlefront games and Fallen Order, watched the Mandalorian, read Catalyst, Heir to the Jedi, Twilight company and am reading Tarkin as well, and am gonna start watching the animated series soon, but I guess that because I started in 2015, I’m not a fan.
sounds like you are a fan, reading novels connected to Star Wars, played the awesome battlefront games, and played fallen order, an amazing games thats connected to the aftermath of order 66. someday if your interested you should check out rebels rising novel (its about Jyn and Saw), bloodline (about Leia 6 years before force awakens), resistance reborn (after last jedi), lost stars manga (connected to the original trilogy in the perspective of different characters), from certain point of view (a collection of canon short stories that happened during new hope), phasma, Queen's shadow (pre-attack of the clone point of view of padme), dooku jedi lost (dooku's backstory). if you not interested in any of these novels for some reason it's ok
Anyone that likes any part of Star Wars is a true fan. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise. Shame on them for trying to shame you for something they don't like.
@@Digitalhdwmn Oh yeah, because THAT makes you a true fan. Especially since most people that played KOTOR three console generations ago haven’t played SWTOR or even KOTOR II.
You're joking, right? This video is so incredibly biased, cherry picked and full of fallacies that I'm still not sure if he's trolling. I could make a similar video about feminists and it wouldn't represent the movement as a whole any more than this video represents Disney Wars critics.
John Smith He’s picking the fans that are toxic and have the loudest voice out there. It’s okay to hate the film, but he’s focusing on the worst part of the hate.
@@randomgamer625 No, I'm not a bot and you're god damned right I'm sending the same link to as many people as I can because they're all saying the same dumb shit.
@@vorshack8968 maybe because this same part has destroyed the life of a kid in 1999 and has changes a whole movie with all the hate? Even George Lucas couldn't stand this fandom :v
@@billbutton8468 she’s done some weird videos and I don’t always believe her or agree with her but a lot of the time she is reliable and gives a lot of good scoops and breakdowns/reactions
@@lorrainewalker6304 but her breakdowns and reactions are just really bad. I only subscribed to her back in the day because she had an amazingly annoying voice and cadence and she got EVERYTHING wrong when she would make predictions and stuff like that. Its hard to describe but she would like make predictions and i would already know shes wrong because i read the comics or i just have common sense and she just says so much off the wall shit. Shes fascinating
@@josephdanieljirehdimacali4418 That’s kind of because Grace isn’t 100% Fandom Menace. The Fandom Menace is alt-right trolls, but Grace literally only likes movies when they make money or push a feminist agenda. Also she puts herself on a high horse by claiming she has “insider knowledge”, which is really just that she’s interviewed high-profile people before and has just as much knowledge about the movie industry as any reporter. She may not be part of that specific problem, but she is a problem unto herself.
Man... the last few days I been binge watching all these past “fandom menace” and “SJW” videos on star wars. Holy crap I had no idea people were so caught up in this shit on the internet. Generally I thought the new movies weren’t that good. They were not made for me tho they were made for children. It reminds me of the play ground back in late 1900’s. We would argue til our tongues fell out about super hero’s and other fictional characters. This UA-cam is next level holy crap. First world problems... I love it...
The same guy who wanted the Joker to win the Best Picture, even though the Joker had won two Oscar awards though, especially for Joaquin Phoenix for Best Actor. Parasite is pretty good and it deserved the Best Picture award. Screw that critic! I find it laughable that his angry behavior doesn't make him an American patriot.
I've recently come to the same conclusion when I made the "mistake" of saying that, "Even though I was disappointed in TLJ, I can't wait to see how the story ends". I was called 6 dumb mf's (uncensored), a fool, a child, a retard, and a couple of idiots. Not a couple of idiots housed in a single vessel, but two different people called me an idiot. If they could be that passionate about education, then they could possibly comment without grammatical errors, and Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers would learn how to read.
And also some people from both sides of the fandom can be really toxic. Some people that didn’t like the sequels will tell people that liked them stupid and say that they have bad taste and some people that liked the sequels will tell people that did hate the sequels that they are racist and bigots and that starwars i only for kids and they are called spoiled manbabys just because they disagree with them
@@ArachnidoComics Then they mostly forgot about him. And now he's being criticised again. They also demanded Trevorrow be be gone and now that they got there wish they are now saying he should be in charge.
It's no different from the ant-Lucas days: If people didn't like something, blame was squarely on Lucas. If the loved something, praise went to anyone BUT Lucas. Damned if you do, damed if you don't.
@@emseesquared2510 exactly and then they will create a division but blame others for, it's the same reason Lucas (bless his heart) gave this problem to Disney
You're doing the real work, digging through all of the garbage of fandom. I love this video and hope you make more like it. Also, the Bizzare Inc. song made my damn day. Kudos!
@@CheknoEternity You're wasting your breath, this dude loves his echo chamber. Kathleen Kennedy herself could show up at his house, admit she fucked up, and he would stick his fingers in his ears.
John Smith so what’s the plan will kill Disney Star Wars and then what? No more games or comics? Hope they sell it to someone else and keep the train hate going? Seriously plans with goals or a strategy are just dreams
There are literally no people worse than star wars fans... I mean the hobbit or grindelwald was trash as well but you never see such idiots being mad like their lives depend on it...
Since when did STAR WARS titles have to "mean" anything? The majority of them, if not ALL of them, have been pretty self explanatory. I mean what's the deeper philosophical meaning of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK? Or ATTACK OF THE CLONES? The title just tells us a thing that's happening in the given Episode. Honestly, these people need counseling or something.
Seriously. I mean, the only one that might be a bit deeper and take a minute to figure out is Phantom Menace because it isn't totally obvious upfront until you realize it's Palpatine beginning his master plan, and we don't see him outside his Sith Lord persona until a decent amount of time into the movie. But even then it's not that damn hard to figure out.
Hey man. You know what The Empire Strikes Back means? It means the empire.... is gonna strike back. But you know what The Rise Of Skywalker means? Jack shit.
Reminder that in the second season of The Clone Wars, when they reintroduced the Mandalorians and the planet Mandalore into Canon there were message boards dedicated to trashing and hating on Dave Filoni for creating a new story and lore for the Mandalorians and that hate continued throughout the show's run until the last season where Maul became a major villain and it was announced that the show would be cancelled. Its always a new target but they always hate and complain. Incidently Dave Filoni would never agree to become a Producer or President of Lucasfilm because he loves writing stories and characters, he's a filmmaker in the purest sense, he wants to be the one making stories not delegating people to make stories for him, that's why he's the chief creative of Lucasfilm animation, so he alongside the Lucasfilm Story Group can map out the stories of shows, comics and other media.
How do you know that the same exact people are doing these things though? Can you prove how much crossover there is between the people complain about Filoni and Mandalorians and the people complaining about the current films?
@@ericsantucci6934 the hate and toxicity has always been there, the only difference between then and now is that alt right grifters and conmen were able to monetize fan outrage and entitlement. That toxicity was limited to closed message boards and chat rooms pre Twitter, UA-cam and Facebook blowing up. Its exactly the same way youtubers that used to debunk religious nutjobs got a surge of views and subscribers after Gamergate because they made ad revenue bitching about feminism. Watch a video called "This is not an Outrage" and Hello Greedo's video on Star Wars retcons.
He revealed in an interview that he can’t believe the bullshit his viewers gobble up... ( aka he’s a fake). Plus he went down with one punch at a convention for all his tough talk...
I honestly think that she didn’t ruin everything, it was mostly the directors or writers fault for the flawed sequel trilogy. So far I’ve enjoyed what she has done with Star Wars
When has Star Wars not been political? You'd think the name "Stormtroopers" and altered Nazi uniforms would look political. Also, the Rebels in the Original Trilogy are based on Viet Cong, and the Empire is based on the United States, yet that's somehow "apolitical"
I'd love to hear from people that think Kathleen Kennedy is a know nothing what they think about The Mandolorian. If they like it they have to give her the credit.
@@vorshack8968 Kennedy has the exact role on the Mandalorian that she had on TLJ. If Kennedy is responsible for TLJ, she's equally as responsible for the Mandalorian.
I always LOVE the red letter media joke, that "The Last Jedi" should be renamed ... "The Last Rian Jhonson Film". Then you see "Knives Out"! Nah, he's not going anywhere.
It's funny to watch this 5 years later and hear the people at the beginning talking about Kathleen Kennedy's impending firing and she's still there LOL.
IKR this video is more accurate than the random bullshit mike zeroh, geeks and gamers upload in their videos. I just don't believe anything they say. I mean I can get actors having difficulties with the films, no director/head of companies are perfect , flaws in movies, and people don't like the films but I don't believe shit like "Kathleen Kennedy is evil", "Last jedi is the worst Star Wars movie ever", Rose and Holdo are the worst etc. if you were to say you weren't a fan of a certain scene/character in last jedi, not too keen on solo or don't think much for Kathleen Kennedy etc that's ok that's your opinion. at least you're not these manbabies crying about Star Wars being different
Whinging about SJW politics in the recent movies... when the original movies were actively about the lone little guy overthrowing the space nazi's, just makes me laugh.
How the FUCK do people expect Star Wars NOT to have political messaging in it?? I mean I don’t really like the over-abundance of political dialogue in the Prequels……. ….. but a black Woman existing in Star Wars IS NOT POLITICAL
My favorite thing about the "Fandom Menace" is that they'll deny that they're toxic or hostile. When they literally have the word "menace" in their name.
JM Studios Literally The Disney Fans are the ANTIFA of the Star Wars community. They actually are real members of ANTIFA and wear the rebel alliance symbol with ANTIFA colors.
I'm a conservative and I LOVE The Last Jedi. This groupthink that the Fandom Menace partakes in can be easily solved in one solution: DON'T WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIES
conservative/republican and Democrat/liberal are words that have completely losts their meaning and the political parties don't even fit their literal definition anymore and the parties just pretty much switched places a few decades ago.
I am Jacobin Democratic Socialist who despises health insurance companies and call for tuition free public college, and I kinda hated Last Jedi. Not because it was new take which would be great but the fact that a lot of the stuff in it went nowhere. Looking the whole thing about the freeing the animals was kind of self defeating cause we all know they will be recaptured. They didn't save the kids from slavery. And even though Poe was being an ass he should have been let due to his rank what Laura Dern's character was planning to do.
If we learned anything about these films, it’s this... The Bad side of the Star Wars fandom does not understand Star Wars. They see the movies as just space operas. Their just space operas with nothing deep or sophisticated about them, despite claiming to know what their about. All what they wanted to see was a bunch of filler action scenes and nonsensical fan service moments and that’s it. Much like the Jurassic Park fandom not understanding The Jurassic Park/World franchise, or with dc comics fanboys not understanding Marvel’s successful line of films, the fandom clearly doesn’t understand this franchise and has no respect for any of the people who breaks their backs into making these movies. (They never praised any of the new and unique styles of filmmaking that goes into these movies and just made fun of what the characters do because they hate women and black people for some reason) it’s ironic about how many times they have complained for years about wanting Star Wars to go back to its original format of filmmaking while presenting new and fresh ideas onto the table, but how often do they actually apply what they preach onto themselves? Just like with the Dumbass Critic never understanding anything he talks about, the fandom never understood this franchise. And sadly, it seems like they never will. Just a reminder, that empire strikes back, you know, the most beloved and most adored episode of the whole series? This film was met with a negative response when it was first released, but it’s considered a classic amongst critics and audiences alike now. I’m not saying that it might happen to the sequel trilogy in the near future, but if it does happen, I guess that means that somethings never change Huh? Basically what I’m saying is, the Star Wars fandom, well the dark side of the fandom anyway, only got worse as time went by. Sure, they upped in numbers and all that, but their thought processing and presentation got heavily worse. They got so toxic, not only do they treat the people who make the films like mortal enemies, but also the people who like the films they hate, which is a line no one should ever cross, yet they enjoy attacking the defenders of these movies.
Wow, that sucks man. I mean, i don't like two of the prequels, but everybody can like whatever they want. Same thing is happening to me now, because i like The Force awakens and The Last Jedi.
I’m conservative and I honestly enjoy all three Star Wars sequel films for different reasons. People need to realize that not everything is going to cater to what THEY want. I mean I personally don’t like the prequel trilogy but you don’t see me crying about it. It has its audience and I’m happy it does. Seriously, some Star Wars fans really need to learn to either be constructive with their views or just shut up.
I'm not a fan of sequels either but it's not as bad as what they made out to be. The OT is superior and iconic, the prequels have some ups and downs, and the sequels are underwhelming. So you're right that not everything has to cater to them. People have their own opinions all they want and that's okay to agree or disagree with others. However, being salty over someone's opinion is worst than a League of Legends player.
The thing to remember is these types are not your average conservative. These types are often alt right or have association with such. There's some clear racism, sexism, and overall hate that comes from them. They ignore everything about Star Wars that says to not be that way and instead join the fascist darkside of our world.
@@s7robin105 The fandom menace is honestly the most humiliating and pathetic group I’ve seen for pretty much anything. They’re also what makes Star Wars embarrassing for me to enjoy.
It's different to like or dislike. But when it comes to the sequels it has destroyed the lore of Star Wars. If you was a real Fan you would understand it 🤢
@@werewolfofthedarkwolf3368 The phrase “real fan” irritates me to no end. It’s such a snobbish and elitist way to look at things. There’s different types of fans especially when it comes to Star Wars. There’s fans like you who are deep into the lore and mythology, and there’s fans like me who just love seeing space battles and laser sword fights and couldn’t care less about the deeper stories of Star Wars. Everyone’s different. Please knock it off with this pretentious “real fan” rhetoric. Star Wars is supposed to be fun. Plain and simple. And I had fun with all three trilogies, even the sequels AND the George Lucas prequels that I’m not too much of a fan of personally. I still love and respect Lucas, don’t get me wrong. But his films weren’t for me.
Jermey resently said that rise of skywalker will have to be over 3 hours to retcon last jedi which would not work. Just because avengers endgame was 3 hours does not mean that ep 9 has to be
Honesty: Even at 12 years old, I felt awkward watching the special editions, it felt like numerous comical inserts that didn't fit the emotional pace I had watching the originals, the Phantom Menace, 15 minutes into it felt off and I looked around and the theater was silent with people looking around as well in an almost uneasy fashion. The following prequels had similar vibes in the theaters. I liked aspects of TPM and bought the toys like crazy but dropped off on the sequels entirely. TFA I enjoyed when I watched it, it was like I always said for awhile as to what if Star Wars came out for the first time today? In a lot of ways, I was after awhile disappointed that I didn't get a new story and style that would continue where believably Jedi left off. 30 years later storyline wise still had Tie fighters and x wings, death star, Han I felt should have been a gruff general instructing recruits, Luke would have been so welcomed to appear and reunite with Han in TLJ. I felt like there were countless missteps for me, that's what's important to stress here, for me it didn't work, anyone who loves the prequels or special editions or sequel trilogy, that's awesome! I may even be tempted to say that only the unaltered OT feels like "my" Star Wars. Whatever is "your" Star Wars is yours and you have the right to love what you love without getting hate. To me, real fans would show respect to fellow fans. Would it be ridiculous if in 1977 a fan of Darth Vader would trash talk someone who liked Luke or C3PO more? Because they feel that Vader was a badass and to them, Luke and 3PO were whiny? Live and let live, TLJ for me was the most disappointing movie I've ever seen and I felt that the vibe and pacing were drastically off and did feel like the people who made it were out of touch of what made the foundation of Star Wars great. In the end, I have 3 timeless films to enjoy for the rest of my life that will never age. If you have 3, 6, 9, or 11 films that are timeless to you, I am genuinely happy for you and you shouldn't have to defend what you love or be hated on just because you enjoy something they or even I do not understand.
I agree with you 100% regarding my first experience with TPM. I dont agree with your assessment on the ST, but you're being very reasonable and understand that enjoyment of films is based on personal opinion. Cheers.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 a Lego game is expected and never does the Lego game give you the impression of anything within the confines of a dramatic and/or serious tone. I find it bizarre that you would compare a Lego game to a film with the film also already having previous films that set the overall tone of this universe. (Minus the stupid ewoks and Chebaccas stupid Tarzan yell)
The Fandom Menace - and every bellend channeling the same smooth-brained issues without being "officially" "aligned" with the Fandom, apparently... - in a nutshell: They are *all* the kid Alec Guinness had advised to never watch Star Wars again...
Solo didn't fail because of "SJWs," it did not do as well because it was a spinoff and it was competing with Deadpool 2 and Infinity War. If you want to profit off a film, don't release it in theaters the same month as an Avengers film
I can’t say I was a big fan of TLJ, but Luke’s character arc was one of the highlights of the movie for me. I didn’t see it coming and it made for interesting story telling. I’m honestly embarrassed to call myself a Star Wars fan, if it’s going to be associated with these weird fanatical rants. Im glad you made this video, it ‘s much needed.
I guess I'm a casual fan compared to these nerds but TLJ changed Luke's character and made the force easily acquired. I've watched 1-8 and only like 3, 5, and rogue one. Luke wouldn't try to kill his nephew when he sensed dark in him because luke wouldn't kill Darth vador the galactic hitler because luke sensed some good in anakin. How did Leia and Rey control the force to fly and mind trick without ANY training when Luke was a prodigy and needed training to even properly sense it? Rey is a good fighter but how can she beat the emperor's red guards when they are the best warriors in the galaxy and kylo when he is seriously trained with force and lightsabers. Where are the knights of ren? Whos that evil guy kylo killed? How did he get into power? How is he so strong in the force? Last jedi looks cool but why do you like it maj0r lee? You gay? Starwars is female wtf? You were supposed to bring balance to the force not join them! #verdeleche ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
+Maj0rLee the sjw ideology infecting comics is real. If you pick up a comic you'll find all the marvel white dudes superperheroes have been replaced by womans or minorities instead of creating new cool superheroes. Wolverine, thor, blackpanther and ironman are now female, captain America and hulk are now black and Asian which might be OK if they were good written characters. Miles morales is ok but is just a copy of Peter Parker. I'm a browno by the way and I miss the classic superheroes like Tony stark instead of riri williams.
@@TheFourthWall14 Shuri, T'challa's sister took over as black panther because T'challa decided to leave Wakanda to join the Avengers. Weapon X-23(or X-22) is basically a Logan clone. So no, the Black Panther and Wolverine are not gender swapped
I'm surprised to have to say this, but here goes: THIS VIDEO IS NOT MOCKING PEOPLE WHO IN GENERAL DISLIKE THE LAST JEDI. You can still dislike or even hate the movie. This video is merely pointing a mirror at the fringe characters who are, indeed, acting really fucking crazy. And if Lee's humor is offending your sensibility, realize he's mocking people who seem to deserve it because, well... just look at these behaviors, I mean, damn! This simply ain't normal, guys. And there do exist people on this comment thread who are keeping it civil and about the movies, not about political agendas, but about artistic choices. THAT'S how you're supposed to have discourse about films, not what these fringe people are doing.
Yes exactly. I didn’t like TLJ or Solo for that matter, but as an adult I am willing to listen to why people like them...and then move on because at the end of the day, it’s a movie. I understand how important it is to many and that is totally cool, but if it is that important, why not be adults and discuss issues instead of calling people names, calling for people to be fired, stirring up hatred and dividing those who care so much? It makes me feel they must have miserable lives. People who are happy with their lives don’t try to take everyone down.
Star Wars fans: I want them to do something different with the franchise. (The last Jedi exists) Star Wars fans: OH NO! They did something different with the franchise! It’s sucks!
Holdo manoeuvre was the only thing that didn't make sense within the logic of the universe. Other than that, Luke, finn, rey's arc could have been changed.
Doesen't matter if its "unique" or not, People hate the TLJ because it's poorly written and contradicts lore which extends to the whole trilogy, many of the more dedicated fans like myself wanted a legends inspired sequel trilogy based on the Thrawn trilogy or even the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, it would have definitely been different and risky but definitely been more captivating than the sequel trilogy we got.
@@Stryker98 but the last Jedi isn't poorly written, it doesn't contradict movie canon. It's not Legends and that's not a problem. Rise of Skywalker is the only sequel that feels compromised and I guarantee this backlash caused it.
@@GamerWho The Last Jedi most definitely does contradict movie canon, training as Jedi means nothing when Rey became more powerful than Palpatine in the force with little training when even Luke needed 4 years of training to become a Jedi and still would have died to Palpatine if not for Vader, force healing is now an ability that apparently comes naturally to Rey and Kylo when the prequels established force healing is a highly advanced technique that Anakin was willing to fall to the dark side to learn, ramming ships in hyperspace doesn't make sense when it's already established hyperspace is basically going through another dimension not "going really fast", and many other contradictions that are questionable at best.
"Fire Kathleen Kennedy and put Dave Filloni at is place" Does they know that Dave Filloni have a job in lucasfilm... because Kennedy want it to ? I mean, Rebels and Mandalorian, that's thanks to Kennedy, the new season of clone wars, same thing. If they're was another producers in charge, chances are that Filloni would'nt stayed after Clone Wars, seeing that one of the first thing Disney did with Star Wars was stopping the production of the show.
“There isn't a thing that we do in the storytelling space that I don't check with Dave. What I find about Dave is you don't just sit down and have a discussion about plot or review characters inside the Star Wars world. You end up having meaningful, thoughtful discussions about what it is we're trying to say inside the storytelling.” Kathleen Kennedy said that herself
@@henryhammond7393 The ultimate proof they don't give a fuck to the quality of star wars and just want to get ride of women. Who have a "Politic agenda" in this situation ?
Let’s also talk about how Kennedy let Filoni shadow Rian Johnson on the set of the Last Jedi because Filoni asked her if he could make a live action show and she said yes. And Filoni said he loved every minute of it. Those two sentences are a nightmare for the Fandom Menace and it brings me great joy knowing it’s 100% true
Now that the movie is out, we can confirmed that stefan is full of shit, because litterally nothing of what he sais would happen in the movie didn't happen at all. Even the C3PO shooting with Chewie blaster didn't happen, and we all thought it will.
@@MJFERMEZLA Well, that's normaly how i descripe Idiots like him. I mean, he's cleary a Pyschopath. In Fact, the Alt-Right in general on UA-cam and Everywhere on the Internet are so bloody paranoid and stupid.
The accuracy of this video is amazing. Seriously appreciate saying what needs to be said and stating facts. I love Star Wars but there are too many toxic fans that have no idea what they are talking about. It’s a shame that they corrupted the community so much
In 2017 i discovered that SW was meant to be enjoyed alone.
Yeah. But also, it can be enjoyable for families and friends too.
May the 4th be with you.
Lol sadly that is how it used to be before being a “nerd” was cool. Not sure how things turned out so main stream. Starwars used to be uncool to be a fan of openly. Same with games, comics, baseball card, dragon ball z and I can go on. Now everyone is on board and the train has left the station with out me and I’m okay with that.
@@Naatosiii so you only do things thag "aren't cool" on purpose? Sounds lame
@@baronroaster404 I'm sorry you are unable to spell That. It's not spelled Thag by the way. Hey, to each their own. If you like mainstream stuff and feel you have to like it in order to fit in, that's cool. You are bound to have identity crisis later in life if you do things for social acceptance. When is it okay with you to think for yourself?
@@Naatosiii join me and we can rule the world
“I don’t like fans. They’re course and rough and irritating and they get everywhere.”
Perfect. 10,000 ^
I know, right? I mean, all they've done is keep the franchise alive between movies by investing their time, money and passion into it. How dare they expect to see the original cast back together again on the Falcon? Or Luke as a full fledged Jedi master at the height of his power? It's not like it was the last chance for that to happen or anything. Filthy bastards.
@@vorshack8968 oh Jesus get the fuck out moron
@@danhouse1989 Just because you don't understand passion doesn't mean you should mock it. Also, maybe learn to disagree with people without directly insulting them.
Goodbye forever.
John Smith YOU GUYS LITERALLY HATED ON MARK HAMILL FOR POSTING A PIC OF ALL THE ORIGINAL CAST AS OLD PEOPLE IN THE MILLENNIUM FALCON.
Keep the franchise alive? Invested? You guys hated on the actor for jar jar so bad that he was going to kill himself, and buying a ticket to see a movie isn’t special every fan base does that.
Oh and the irony, you guys hated on George so bad that he sold the company and when he did and Disney made the sequels, who came running back for George AFTER it was too late? You guys.
You guys aren’t fans you’re haters who expect the new movies to be just like the originals and if not you hate on everyone associated with it.
If you like the sequels, that' s ok
If you hate the sequels that's ok
If you attack people for loving/hating the sequels, than you're the problem
Edit: how did start a comment war?
This 👆
Nah burn that trilogy in hell. OT & Prequel fans will grow old and die and ones that remain are those that liked that corporate bullshit. I can't believe that Heir to the Empire will be forgotten.
@@dadian803 Prequel "fans" were never real Star Wars fans and never will be you fucking moron!
@@dadian803 I'd take "corporate bullshit" (even though all movies are corporate) over Lucas's dumpster fire prequels any day
Agreed. It’s the people that can’t accept that people enjoy other films who are the problem.
Don’t complain about the parts of the franchise that you don’t like, just accept that you don’t like them, move on with your life, and celebrate what you do like. Use your love for the franchise as a positive outlet instead of a negative. Go ahead and criticize the films if you don’t like them, but once you’ve done that, accept it for what it is, move on with your life, and celebrate what you love. And no matter where you stand, whether you like the films or not, don’t attack other people just because their opinion is different from yours.
I've been saying this for 2 years
@Dennis Galindez You're one of us now, glad you see that you can criticize the films without being a jerk. I respect your opinion
Thank you. I needed this.
Fuck that... If i dont like something i dont ljke it... Is ljke nazis we dont like them ... So we must walk away or voice out our opinion.. Your advise to be pussies dpesnt work withme.. I had to voice and fight to make it in life.. Not easy escape like ur mind thinks
Brandon Krol yeah like Star Wars theory he said his distaste for Disney’s Star Wars once but he let it go
“They have red Stormtroopers now.”
Lee predicted the “They fly now.” joke.
"They fly now" is gonna be the big over exaggeration of this movie. I predict it. Even though they are probably referring to the troopers following them, people. Will confuse it and somehow dig up the past and eat themselves.
@@pef6469 We haven't seen the First Order use jet packs up until now that's why they're surprised
@@techno639 Yeah it's like the most obvious thing that these people don't realize.Like this is the First Order not the Empire.We've never even seen the Empire use jetpacks in the movies.
She only had 4 1/2 scenes, but I'm gonna miss Phasma. Deuces, my tall drink of under utilized chrome.
~ Tormund Giantsbane
@@Jav-tm2po and the launch/propel bikes were used so that the boosters wouldn't catch the damned things on fire.
I already knew Grace was bullshitting news. She couldn't get her facts straight about Henry Cavill doing the Witcher series. She claimed it was because he couldn't get good work because of Superman when that didn't make sense considering he is literally a big Witcher fan and and he's always wanted to play the role. He literally said this in an interview way before for mission impossible with ign when they asked him if he plays video games. The interviewer told him they were making a show about The Witcher on Netflix this is literally where he heard about the show and why he got the part.
Retro Fuel he’s also done like 6 play throughs which is nuts!
Josh Taylor Only 6 play throughs? Them’s rookie numbers.
I wouldn’t call her a Fandom Menace member since she’s far more of a leftist compared to the rest of the alt-right trolls. But yeah, she’s a really opinionated and misinformed journalist.
Aged like milk
@@larryfoulkeofficial8609 WDUM
"They take away the opening crawl from the solo movies!!!" *looks at the Clone Wars*
how about rebels
@@subscorpion9560 and rogue one which was BEFORE SOLO!
@@youngbutretro4228 yup
Yeah, but Clone Wars was good broski...
@@redfern6013 yes they're just saying that clone wars didn't have the opening crawl like Solo. If you don't like Solo at all that's fine but they weren't referring to clone wars being "bad". even rogue one didn't have a opening crawl like Young but Retro said
Star Wars is mark hammil’s only career
Mark hammil: you wanna know how I got these scars ?
Mark Hamill made more money from Warner Bros as Joker over the years and not Luke Skywalker.
@AK Master i know (best tv-series of all time)
Actually, I was a car accident.
AK Master dude a tv show and a movie are completely different a tv show has more time to establish and make character development while movies have 2 hours or 3
AK Master well yeah that’s what the books and comics and video games ever since the prequels Star Wars has done this to fix there plot holes just check out tag and binks and while I disagree on you saying the characters have no development that’s your opinion and I respect it just glad you stayed well mannered and didn’t yell at me like the other fans tend to do
I checked on the stats of the Fandom Menacers on social blade. Every single one of them is on the decline with views and new subs, or they have gone straight into the toilet. Jeremy is getting about half as many views as he did in his "prime", and now he is trying to jump on the corona virus band wagon.
Okay. But this channel on the other hand is really exploding. Ten years in and it's gonna take off to moon any day now? I think everyone is doing alright all around. Ups and downs are totally normal anywhere (not everyone is pewdiepie). And the platform always changes. More and more content means more and more different options for people to watch. It's like with TV. At the beginning there were few channel choices, so of course as more and more were added, viewership goes down and spreads out. And people diversify more than they did years ago. The number of patreon accounts exploded. Or people had live streams were people donate money. When you have income coming from those sources, you don't really need youtube as much as you did when that was your sole income source.
Feanor _ The decline of their viewership can pretty much be attributed to their business model not being sustainable whatsoever. I know Geeks and Gamers likes to plug his website so maybe he might be alright but all these other guys are probably fucked. These are just reaction channels. They profit because they make a shitton of quick easy digestible videos based on subjects the algorithm pushes. That’s why these guys went from shitting on Star Wars to shitting on Captain Marvel when TLJ stuff started to be less profitable. These guys dont have stunning production value, excellent argumentation skills, nor charismatic personalities for the most part. They just repeat what the audience wants to hear on certain topics. And they’re gonna run out of topics or people are going to catch onto their grift. And as pointed out in the original comment, its already happening.
@@_Feanor_. Lol who cares if this channel is big? Anti-SJW fandom whining is a dry teat.
@@joefission7179 It would be helpful to know who exactly these channels are supposed to be to begin with. Because the Fandom Menace is quite large if this (khaoscentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/The-FandomMenace-Poster.jpg) is accurate.
I don't know every channel that claims membership.
But the ones closely linked to it like Ethan Van Sciver, Geeks and Gamers, World Class Bullshitters, Mauler, Overlord DVD, Nerdrotic. If you go on their socal blade, subscriber numbers are going up (or staying for Ethan van sciver) and total viewnumbers for all of them are going up.
So who are these channels that are going down the toilet? Because of none of these channels I just named.
He mentions Jeremy specifically, and I assume that is Geeks and Gamers. Sure he had months in 2019 where he did 6,7 million views a month with 9 million being his best. Right now he does about 4 million. Which is lower than that, but also for the most part more than he did throughout 2018. And I think doing 4 million a month is hardly going down the toilet .
It's just trying to portray a narrative this persons wants to show. If you look up Major Lee on social blade, only in these last two months his view numbers went up (and they are far away from 4 million btw). If I look at January, February of 2020 where he did around 100k views, that is also only a third of what he did in November 2018 or only half of what he did in June of 2019. You see, you can do that for other channels as well. Just goes to show that there are ups and downs in general.
Now if you say their business models is not sustainable whatsoever. They are all doing better than this channel, so? Some of them have podcasts and get a lot of money from those. And they are all review channels. Major Lee is hardly different. And what you react to is based on what is being released. You say they went on shitting on Star Wars to Captain Marvel when TLJ started being less profitable. You do realize TLJ came out in December 2017 and Captain Marvel in March 2019, right? Of course you move on from any given topic at some point and do videos on other shit. I would assume most of them also did videos on movies that were released between the two. And in many cases it's actually the viewers that want them to do stuff on TLJ or Star Wars. The EFAP guys mentioned this, that viewers request they react to videos on that all the time.
What is clear from you comment is that you simply don't like them. Which is okay. Nobody is forcing you to. But you are letting it affect your argument. Because you say that they are just saying what the audience wants to hear and they're trying to trick people out of their money. How does that work. People were divided on TLJ for the most part. And if Rotten Tomatoes is to be believed, audiences loved ROS for the most part. So shouldn't the Fandom Menace then make videos praising that movie, since that should be what audiences want to hear. But they don't. Is it so hard to believe that they actually don't like these films. They explain clearly why that is.
And please don't talk about argumentation skills under a Maj0r Lee video. That's laughable saying others do not under a video of a guy that argued "You get to look at women" as a pro for TLJ.
Again, it depends on what fandom menace members one might talk about. The ones I know argue circles around Lee and they are all doing better with their channls.
Feanor _ The fuck dude. I’m pointing out that their channels are declining but then you say “well they’re still doing better than when they started out” which is not a refutation to my argument. I didn’t think it would be that hard to understand that argument since you follow the people that act like Star Wars was dying because TLJ didnt make as much money.
Also I pointed out that they just do what the audience wants them to do. You admit that they do videos based off what their audience does. So yeah I don’t know what point youre trying to disprove there. Also theres clips or tweets out there of thequartering straight up saying that he doesn’t believe a lot of the things he says and just does it for views and I think Geeks and Gamers has said something similar.
And you keep deflecting by saying “lol this channel isnt doing that well either.” That’s just a lame whataboutism. Whether you like it or not, this guy puts a shitton more effort into his work than most of these fandom menace guys considering most of these guys dont even edit. And I don’t know if Major Lee is aiming to get a lot of views or if he’s just having fun. But I know Geeks and gamers is (there’s a clip in the vid showing this) and I bet a lot of others do it too. Thats why they pump put low effort content that the algorithm finds profitable.
But yeah, I have problems with Major Lee cuz he seems to betray some decent points by doubling down on a troll persona. Did you really think the video with the thumbnail of Rian Johnson on the Christ cross wasn’t going to be mostly jokes? But he did get to the heart of why these people can be pretty bad and that’s because they’re just a rumor mill. A lot of unfounded speculation, misinformation, childish gossip, and bad arguments. And its not just that they make bad points, they make points that contradict themselves sometimes in the very same video. And they milk subjects dry. Like Geeks and Gamers has over 100 vids on Brie Larson and thats not exaggerating. UA-cam is pretty unstable in general and what’s profitable changes constantly, but it seems very likely to me that people start to catch onto the grift.
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“It’s the only career mark hamill has”
The joker: am I a “joke” to you?
roblosonic 505 I see what you did there
I just unsubscribed to Grace too. Damn, she talks so much shit! Her review of Creed 2 should have been the final straw the way she was criticising Stallone and she never seemed to do her research into the movie either!!
And he the Joker most people know
Fabian Lelo what did she criticize Stallone for?
WillFanofMany not exactly, he used less often because Joker haven’t been appearing in animation lately.
Geeks and Gamers is just pissed because Ben Solo absorbed his eyebrows
💀I can’t
Or he’s an incel for Brie Larson, take your pick.
B E N S W O L O
he's kinda a person the got angry just because someone dropped his ice cream cone
Toxic Fans: George we hate you
George leaves
Toxic Fans: George please come back to fix these movies we hate.
Toxic SW fans suck.
A lot of fans have a case of feeling that they don't know what they have until it's gone.
GameStation3 More accurately, a lot of Star Wars fans really have no idea what they want. “We want to see something different” is inevitably followed by “This doesn’t feel like Star Wars”.
@@DiRtYLaWs2007 Same thing with cod fans.
Pervis Edmonds sadly that’s extremely accurate
The prequel haters are as bad as the sequel lovers.
"Star Wars is Mark Hamil's only career!!"
hE W AS THE J O KE R
Sleuth Not only is he the Joker, his is one of the most beloved portrayals of the character ever. And then there's all his other roles and voice over work he's done. The man should be proud of his body of work.
Actually he a pretty successful voice actor, KND, Regular show as Skip. So much more
Fire lord ozi in avatar the last airbender
Just remember her favorite movies so far.
Never forget Majima is the Original PS2 Yakuza dub.
Originally trilogy: We Love It!
Prequel Trilogy: We Hate it!
Years later:
Original Trilogy: Old but we still love it
Prequel Trilogy: It’s better than we thought
Sequel Trilogy: We love/hate it!
History will repeat itself just watch
@@skaraokplays no it doesn't.
@@gin.590 We see
Yup. That's the entire Zelda Cycle in a nutshell.
@@skaraokplays not to mention, when Disney is going to make a new trilogy, there are probably going to be people claiming it ruined the franchise and that it was disrespectful to the sequels
Grace Randolph: "Kathleen Kennedy is about to be fired..."
[announcement that Kennedy's contract has been extended for three years]
Grace Randolph: "...in three years."
Combine that logic with The Vote, and you can see how things have gotten so tits-up...
Mike R. Well no, she said that Bob Iger wants her fired. Her contract was extended to give her some time to pack up.
@@jasonle520 Grace is full of shit.
Juts recent The Fandom Menace are going after Grace, and calling her a sjw.
@@htruman For a while it seemed that she was going everything she could to please the Fandom Menace. I wonder what she did that made them turn on her.
The Fandom Menace: THEY HAVE TO MAKE HER A SKYWALKER
*makes her a Skywalker*
The Fandom Menace: THEY CAN'T DO THAT
As hypocritical as making a sign saying no signs allowed
Yes all the problems the fandom menace talk about in TROS was caused by there hatred
Why are they so sensitive about this diversiy that they add, I can't imagine how they watch empire strikes back.
Empire: Leia directing soldier.
Them: "ah, the pro female agenda, it hurts."
Empire: Lando calrisian
Them: a black person, how dare they push their pro diversity agenda on me, they hate white men.
Empire: "I am your father"
Them: "no, anything but this, no!!!!, we were told that Vader killed Luke's father, not that he is his father, the severtion, it burns, no!!!!!!" (Heart attack).
That’s brilliant 😂
@@djmace9029 thanks
@@saberiandream316 first of all, financially Disney is not losing any money, they are doing amazing in the money department, the sequel trilogy, (like it or not), is the highest grossing trilogy ever made, and with the mandalorian and clone wars season 7 being the only Disney plus original content that people care about on the service at the moment, and disney is still 5 years a head of their subscription expectations, second, they removed the legends stuff from cannon not because they hate it, but because over the last 40 years that thing became to convoluted to follow, so making any new projects without stepping on those stories became imposible, so they decided to reboot it and bring stuff from there to the new cannon, like boba fett surviving, thrawn, the emperor returning as a clone, and they are now doing the high rebublic, probably because they have some ideas to do stuff with the old republic, they wanted to make the star wars universe more approachable to new fans rather then scar them with a ton of lore, DC comics for example did this like 4 or 5 times.
I don't think that's why we dislike the films. Good writing doesn't recognize gender, race or politics. It's a shallow and narrow-minded criticism of the fandom. Explain the love for Ahsoka, Ripley, Sarah Connor, Arya Stark, Danaerys Targaryen etc.
@@saberiandream316 jesus dude, chill, what do you want from me, you said that they deleted the old cannon because they hated it and something about a gay kiss or something, I told you their reasons, new normie star wars stuff coming out, das new fans, das need for exsesability to new audiences, you don't have to like it but that's what this is, also the high rebublic sales issues are not because of Disney, there are two main reasons, 1) this is a new era with new characters and some people just want familiarity, and 2) people like geeks and gamers saw a woman with a haircut that they dislike so they decided to go on a rant about nothing before it even came out, it has nothing to do with quality, because light of the jedi got pretty good reviews from what I've seen, haven't gotten around to reading it myself yet, but that's because of the pandemic.
Fun fact: Grace Randolph was the woman who made the petition to edit Deadpool into a PG-13 film.
Remember her original The Last Jedi review? She loved it. And then she did a complete 180. For the views.
Dark Jedi geeks and gamers did the same
@Dark Jedi Yeah, fuck that guy.
yep Jeremy Jahns basically did that as well
@@jackcoupland6035 Jeremy Jahns always had mixed feelings about the movie from the very beginning, his first review of it was like “I’m not sure how I feel about it yet” then the spoiler review be started to talk about how he didn’t love it like he wanted to, and I think his distaste of the movie kind of blossomed after that which I can understand. Being let down like that totally creates harsher and more extreme opinions on something. All these other “reviewers” legitimately had 180s for views, at least Jahns never fully liked it like these other people
The part where the man called "John Talks" talks about "Does J.J. think people will eat this shit up?" when talking about the "red stormtroopers" is answerable in one word: Yes.
They will eat it up. It's merchandise. People buy figurines of desert troopers, shore troopers, mud troopers, scout troopers, all colors of clone trooper, etc. George Lucas understood this. He was huge into merchandise from day 1.
George Lucas should've sticked to marketing, than writing.
“Star Wars is getting too political.”
Yeah... politics has always been a major theme throughout the entire saga going back to the original trilogy. George saw the empire as a metaphor for The US under Nixon and the rebels as the troops in North Vietnam. This is nothing new.
Welli would say there is a difference between showing it to your face and doing it subtly something nowadays filmmaker have forgotten
@@shreyvaghela3963 They didn’t throw it in anyone’s face. No character face the camera, broke the fourth wall and preached.
I'm watching a playthrough of the original KOTOR and it's loaded with racial politics. I wonder how the grifters will react to the remake.
@@shreyvaghela3963 Well, if politics was shoved down to your face, then the characters break the fourth wall and says something to the audience. That's exactly what PSAs did.
I'm sorry. If a woman with a a dyed hair is considered "political" instead of real politics like an allegory of Vietnam War, then that shows that the Fandom Menace has a brain that is a size of a walnut.
I am in disbelief that “the Fandom Menace” is a real thing. Oh my lord...
They said their motto is “spread common sense”
I’m being trolled. This is not real. This is a simulation.
lol - i wish it was just a glitch in the matrix
Life is bigger than the echo chamber we built for ourselves.
@priest S'fox My comment is meant to OP. His surprise to find other opinions (although filtered through persons akin to his own opinions) means to me that he has made for himself a jail in which everybody thinks like him.
@priest S'fox Yes because complaining like an angry child will make things better. If you want Lucasfilm to treat you better, act like someone who deserves to be.
If you really hate people that like what Lucasfilm has recently put out, than you need to get a life
@priest S'fox I'm complaining about the immature actions by a small community towards a film company simply because they didn't like one film and there's so called "politics"
You guys aren't winning. Kathleen Kennedy is still in charge (John Faverau taking over is just a rumor), EA is still gonna make Star Wars games maybe alongside Lucasarts, the former Game of thrones trilogy is still happening and so is Rian Johnson's trilogy also Galaxy's Edge looks better than ever now that Rise of the Resistance is finally open also Mandalorian and Jedi fallen order were lit and so will Rise of Skywalker be
I'm honestly glad this is happening because JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy did literally nothing wrong. They never called the fanbase sexist, you people just too what they said and twisted it to shape your opinion. "The Force is female" was a Nike promotion Kennedy was invited to and JJ Abrams said there are a lot of tough females in the SW universe; none of that means they're calling the fanbase sexist
The only people who called haters of the last jedi sexist/racist were a vocal minority that only existed for a month.
Lucasfilm isn't scared of a bunch of angry millenials on UA-cam complaining about the same thing and saying the same thing over and over again. They only listen to valid criticisms, like the fact that they put out too many films in 4 years, guess what? Now they're taking a break :)
If anything the Fandom Alliance is winning 🤟
This is one of the best franchises with one of the worst fan bases. I can enjoy every single Star Wars film, but if I ever say anything about the prequels, OT or sequels, I will be attacked by fans of the other trilogies or even the fans of the one I’m talking about. I’m just sick of arguing about how Rian Johnson didn’t ruin the franchise and how the prequels are decent films overall
I feel the same way dude i feel I have to hide my love for this franchise
@@Pizzaguy975 I just want to say, both of you guys are awesome!
@KnicksMusic For you maybe he did, for me he did not. But you know what else DID OBJECTIVELY ruin the franchise?
Episode 1
Episode 2
Star Wars: Christmas Special
George Lucas
KnicksMusic Ep 1’s duel was the only good thing about it, and ep 2’s dialogue is so fucking awful it makes me want to throw myself into the tv. It’s not good dialogue, it’s memorable for all the wrong reasons. And now because Disney have 3 lead characters in ep 8 who are women (Rey, Holdo, Rose) with 2 being badly written (Holdo, Rose), it makes it SJW...? Diversity in a story doesn’t make the story SJW unless it outright says ‘look at this women/black/Hispanic character. Look at how womenly/black/Hispanic they are. U will like this women/black/Hispanic character or else ur a misogynistic, racist bigot who supports Trump’. As it is a Star Wars film; meaning, in the stars, the race/sexuality/gender of a character should have no impact on the plot or narrative of the film, because then it’s pandering. Ep 7 & 8 haven’t done this and I doubt 9 will either. If there is a whole scene where Poe and Finn kiss, or where Rey’s gender is commented on, then it’s only there to pander to the SJW audience and their agendas and that is not a good thing.
If u are referring to Rey being a Mary Sue as the SJW pandering, I completely agree that it seems like pandering, but there is a popular theory going around about how Rey is so powerful being explained in ep 9, (Film Theory’s vid here: m.ua-cam.com/video/qfBKypfqmOk/v-deo.html), in a way which makes perfect sense and would appease fans, and so ur comment is made redundant. Modern Star Wars is not SJW but has simply adapted to newer times to make sure it wasn’t called out by the left by adding a wider array of characters.
And ur right, George Lucas wouldn’t have made these films because he would have tried something completely new that would not have worked unlike these films that try and (mostly) succeed at being new and original stories for both new and old Star Wars fans to enjoy.
George Lucas did not solely write ep. 4, 5 or 6 but did for ep 1,2 and 3, and everyone saw how that turned out.
U like the prequels, and I like both prequels and sequels, and that’s ok, but I feel like u misunderstand the sequels like many misunderstood the prequels when they released.
But I also want to say that I agree with u that SJW’s and their agendas are garbage and they deserve to burn in hell for eternity :)
Don’t hide away because if you do they win. When you just enjoy yourself and not give a flip you win. Just saying. Keep it real and you do you .
Writing this literally 27 seconds in:
The hatred of Kathleen Kennedy reminds me of the hate George Lucas got after the prequels. I jad friends in elementary and junior high school saying shit like, "I can't believe that Lucas made the prequels as horrible as they are!"
Now, they probably say bullshit like, "I love the prequels! The sequels were ruined by that bitch Kathleen Kennedy!"
I love Star Wars. All of it. I do not call myself a Star Wars fan because of the negative context of the dickheads that call themselves "Star Wars fans" and harrass people because they were in a movie they don't like or like a movie they don't like.
parents got their children to talk shit t the kid who played young anakin. Fucking adults would say to the child’s face that he ruined star wars. Lucas got threats that if he didn’t do star wars a certain way employees and their family members will get harassed . The dude who played jar jar even talked about this.
these fandom menace and their “right to free speech” and their actions proved a flaw in the first amendment and this free society with no dictatorship , only produced more dictator like minds. they will be one reason in the decline of america. they proved how warped and i’ll their minds are. To go ballistic on a child over a sci fi fantasy franchise as if it was the end of the world. Hmm makes me sometimes wish we were under a cruel dictator so they could learn a lesson but i would have to suffer.
@@ashzole Yeah. This leads to George Lucas sold his movie franchise to Disney because of the backlash he got from fans who hated the prequels.
Nowadays, since the Fandom Menace hated Disney so much, they wanted to bring George Lucas back to save the franchise, after all that hate that the fans threw on George Lucas. That's because you make a bad movie, doesn't mean you are a bad person in general. So I think the fans has to blame for the Star War's downfall, not George Lucas, Kathleen Kennedy, Disney, or everyone else including the actors. No one deserve death threats.
To everyone in the Fandom Menace and prequel haters, congratulations, you played yourselves.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 yup
@@poweroffriendship2.0 Ironic.
@Dman [Formerly Sneed] You can like something you want, but still, condoning harassment shouldn't be justified. Look at what happened to Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best.
The review bombing from bots for the Acolyte makes this video more relevant than ever.
No more Star Wars fans. Society has grown pass the need for Star Wars fans.
Let the fake fans die. Kill them if you have to.
@@Gemnist98 happily
@@Gemnist98 let the real starwar's die. just a wash to one of America's greatest piece's of entertainment.
Society has grown past the need for Star Wars itself tbh.
@@zackofpersia5086 Preserve The past(Ep 1-6). It is required.
Apparently, Jeremy actually originally really liked TLJ, but after everyone started hating it, he suddenly changed his mind and started hating just to become popular
That's how they milk out the views.
How is that not possible? I walked out of the Last Jedi confused and trying to make excuses so that I could like it. When you have been hyped for a movie for over a year and spend the weeks leading up to it thinking about it a lot, it's very difficult to just accept that it was terrible only to come to that conclusion after a little while.
Did geeks + gamers really say John Lasseter? Completely ignoring the controversy around him?
Brandon Smith true
Oh yeah he would rather have a sex offender as a ceo than a woman who’s worked on many big movies and with big directors who has a clean history and is married to a big director
Has he seen Cars 2?
He’s an alt-right troll. I don’t think he even knows how to spell the word “grope”.
Toxic fandom is the absolute worst thing about Star Wars.
It helps to steer clear of videos spreading rumors and lies about Disney sequels and also watch trusted movie reviewers like Chris Stuckman and Jeremy Jahns who actually know about film and are actual fans of Star Wars instead of just Star Wars channels/Anti SJW channels with Star Wars Theory (to my knowledge) because he can be a non biased sequel hating reviewer
No, the worst thing about Star Wars is remastered editions of A New Hope where Han doesn't shoot first.
Fun fact: it’s April 2020 kathleen still in charge at lucas film.
And will be for years to come... to our entertainment
Thats terrible. I hope she gets kicked very soon.
@@Senpaiaproves Why?
@@prosplays3443 if you have to ask im assuming you haven't watched anything disney has made as far as star wars
@@Senpaiaproves I've watched them make billions of dollars for Disney.which is her job by the way
The bizarre thing is Star Wars hasn’t yet hired a none white male director for the films. Also Star Wars is an older person property so it was always going to struggle to connect with the younger audience. I remember when Clone wars started everyone hated Filnoni.
Actually, STAR WARS has always connected with kids better than it has with adults. The original trilogy wasn't universally beloved by critics (aka ADULTS), but the kids all loved it. The prequels trilogy was pretty much hated by most ADULTS but guess who loved it? The kids. And guess who loves this new trilogy? The kids. Who loved THE CLONE WARS animated show, and REBELS animated show the most (and THE RESISTANCE as well)? That's right! The kids.
So what was this you were saying about STAR WARS being a older person property and having problems connecting with younger people?
Oh, and his name is Filoni, with one "N" not "Filnoni" with two "Ns"
Glenn Myron but your kinda proving a point kids love Star Wars supposedly on TV but not as films. When Star Wars first came out it was one of only 5 major franchises I can think of planet of the apes, James Bond, Dirty Harry and Godzilla. Now trow a rock you hit a major franchise on TV or movie series aimed at the demographic Star Wars was aimed at. You have to compete with all of that now. So if the kids aren’t liking the new films you have to cater to the old people but there isn’t as much money to be made there.
I think the flaw is they made a film series so far trying to please both demographics when they should have just focused on one the younger demographic and not catered to the adults by saying wasn’t everything that happens 40 years ago great weren’t those people great. Then giving all the old people the main plot points
You must really not have been paying attention at all to the last two movies, because the main plot points sure as hell weren't given to the old people; they focused squarely on Finn, Poe and Rey, pushing Han, Chewie, Leia and Luke (ie the "old people") into supporting roles.
You are seriously talking(typing) out of your ass and just making a fool of yourself. No wonder you use gibberish as your handle.
2 episodes of The Mandalorian were directed by a black guy. Rick Famuyiwa directed episodes 2 & 6 so far.....
So Star Wars was officially directed by a black guy 2 times and counting, and also Deborah Chow (an asian woman) directed episodes 3 & 7 so diversity of directors in SW when it comes to race has been expanded, granted it should have been years ago, but hey better late than never
@@TheGeekyHippie episode 7 was about the hunt for Luke Skywalker and full to the brim of the new generation looking at the old people and basically saying “your so great”. They give the big character arcs to Han and Luke. Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher were all top billed for 7,8 and 9. Hell even the final villain was Palpatine a character who realistically means nothing to most of the heroes. Yes they stupidly made Rey his granddaughter but because he had no impact on her development I can’t see why it exactly mattered to her.
Kathleeen Kennedy: says something about the Star Wars franchise
Geeks and gamers: she’s a menace
@Goose He literally says the same thing ever video he makes does no one ever get tired of that?
She is not just a menace she is a phantom menace that lied to George Lucas
@@Rounderyathecruel How?
@@Rounderyathecruel Well, she didn't lie to George Lucas. All of the misinformation against her is bogus. I'm not a fan nor a hater of Kathleen but the reason George Lucas had given up on Star Wars to Disney is because toxic fans keep making death threats on the actors and directors.
Now history keeps repeat itself when the hate gets towards Kathleen Kennedy and the people who work at Lucas gets intensified which someone like you are holding responsible. Look at what happened to George back then.
Maybe if George didn't face any backlash from the fans, then selling the franchise to Disney wouldn't have happened in the first place. Sadly, it's too late. The overblown hate on Kathleen Kennedy is exactly what happened to George Lucas during the prequel era. Now, the fans wanted to take George back despite all the crap they gave him.
That's the truth.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 and ironically it happens again this time with the sequel trilogy.
Kathleen does something bad: “SHE IS A DISEASE AND RUINING STAR WARS”
Kathleen does something good: “She has no involvement in the films, it’s all Bob Iger”
I've noticed that. The haters blame everything they don't like on Kennedy, and then every time they do like some (e.g. the Kenobi announcement, or the Mandalorian) they act like these things came about without her involvement or knowledge.
Exactly! Its the same with George : A New Hope is untouchable. Empire was better, bc "George didn't have any influence" (yeah right) and rotj gets worse again bc "George meddles". 😑
This is the woman who helped bring us Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, and Jurassic Park. You can't tell me that she isn't the right pick for the job and still expect me to take you seriously.
@Speedzone Speedforce
LOL.
Zach Haskell i have never heard anyone say that
I like the new films for the most part. I was disappointed by 9, but I still enjoyed it.
Great minds think alike!
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The Fandom Menace: “LOL, SJWs get triggered so easily!”
Also The Fandom Menace: *gets triggered so easily*
Eccentric Gamer facts
Well all enthusiasts get triggered easily if you destroy the subject of their enthusiasm.
Disney 100% did destroy Starwars!
On the other hand, It's just Starwars. A fairy. Not real scifi...so seeing Starwars destroyed kind of warms my Space:Above And Beyond heart laughs at it.
People who trusted Disney ...like Toys'R'Us...lol
The Fandom Menace more like the Fandom Annoyance like I hated Disney Star Wars as well but I am able to move on with my life and not watch these films these nutcases aren't able to this.
@@rwkc3004 Not liking Disney Star wars doesn't make you a right wing nutcase. you missed the whole point. Or you might be actually beeing Rian Johnson...
I actully play Starwars the tabletop RPG disnery starwars destroyed all lore of Starwars so a canon based RPG isn't even possible anymore.
You have to be right wing to think that only left-wing people like the Sequels.
From an outside perspective, I think there are people blindly loyal to the franchise and people who'll never be happy.
And those unhappy cunts will forever be SJW's 😆😆😂
Steel Phoenix here's a shit sandwich you better like it our you're a sexist homophobic racist bigot 🙂👌🏻
@Steel Phoenix Except the reasons given for not liking the sequels are based on bullshit
@Steel Phoenix You are really comparing people enjoying movies you think are bad... to the people of jonestown.... what the hell.... you people are talking about a FICTIONAL MOVIE FRANCHISE... a bit extreme to have such a low opinion of others over it.
nightowl to me it’s looks like two babies fighting over who gets to play with a teddy bear
In this case the teddy bear is Star Wars
June 2020 - Kennedy still in charge at Lucasfilm. Clone Wars finale was amazing. Still waiting for Season 2 of the Mandalorian.
yup. the Clone wars was amazing and I can't wait for Mandalorian season 2. There's also an upcoming novel with short stories about the clone wars. it'll be a clone wars version of "From a Certain Point of View" I think
@@subscorpion9560 Not Kennedy doing hahahah
Nope! Clone Wars was trash!
@@subscorpion9560 Wrong fake fan! Clone Wars was trash!
@@MichaelM28 the old one yes.
“LANDO NEVER FUCKED THE DROID”
Dialogue in the movie would indicate otherwise...
@@Jack_Stafford even if She was right and Landon DID have a thing for her, nothing Indicates they were actually romantically involved, and it would somewhat contradict them
@@brianbrush5107 as I indicated, the dialogue in the movie indicates they did have a relationship. She is questioned by Kira, "do you and Lando you know wink-wink, how would that even work". And L337 responds in a suggestive tone "oh believe me it works" and make some odd gesture.
It doesn't take very much to read between those lines. What else could she be talking about? And if it was something innocent, why even include that in the dialogue?
Also Lando's Behavior when she got shot, he didn't run out to help any humans, but after she got shot he risks his life for a Droid? Even after she falls apart he is dragging parts of her body into the Falcon, clearly not because she means nothing to him. But much more than a favorite Droid.
You remember Leia's reaction when threepio was blown to bits was oh no, you think you can put him back together? And Han Solo acting like he couldn't care less. She didn't grab 3 POS head and start bawling like a baby.
And then when Lando plugged L337 into the Millennium Falcon, he did it with a lot of reverence, they had their very personal last words, this clearly is not a normal human Droid relationship.
@@Jack_Stafford The suggestive tone could just be explained that droids can...somehow have Sex. Not necessarily that she and Lando did it.
Landos reaction can be explained by him liking L3, But that Dosent mean they were in a relationship.
A lot of ppl seem to realize that if you dislike The Fandom Menace, you're labeled as a SJW.
In reality, you can dislike BOTH sjws & The Fandom Menace, myself included.
Now there's a statement i agree with
David Sakamoto You have them dumbass (Episodes 4-8, Rogue One and Solo)
Michael McGrath Scratch out 7, 8, and Solo, then it’ll do.
Yeah; the one time you see any right-wingers acting exactly like SJWs online is when they're screaming about The Last Jedi. Just like every Republican President before the current one (each of whom in turn was declared a reincarnation of Hitler while he was in office) now gets a Strange New Respect™ from the left because Donald Trump is LITERALLY HITLER, so too does George Lucas (Satan's spawn, and alleged rapist of the fans' childhood) and his prequel trilogy now get a Strange New Respect™ now that LITERALLY SATAN'S SPAWN Kathleen Kennedy and her sequel trilogy from Hell are here.
The ANTI-SJWs are getting worse.
"If you are a Kathleen Kennedy Fan, tell me how much she paying you"
Wait... WE CAN BE PAYED BY SAYING SHE'S A GOOD PRODUCERS ? OH MY GOD, I DEFEND THIS WOMAN AND SAID HOW GOOD SHE IS SINCE 2012, ALL THIS MONEY LOST JUST BECAUSE NO ONE WARNED ME !!! WHAT NUMBER IT IS ? DOES THAT WORK FOR PREVIOUS VIDEOS AND OLD STUFF LIKE THAT ?
Seriously, thos guy must have a very open mind to think that people can't think stuff they disagread to without beeing influence by money
Let me turn the question, if you hate the Last Jedi, tell me how much Lucas, Warner, Fox, Donald Trump, the Russian, the illuminati, the reptillian, the minecraft youtuber and the resurect Hitler paying you.
Spoiler Alert: Star Wars has always been political, because war is political. It was right there in the name all along.
You fucking idiot. People are talking about injecting our modern politics into to films where it is not needed.
@@grif419 Spoken like somebody completely ignorant of the social and political context that shaped the original film.
Retard Gaming Let’s not pretend art hasn’t always been reflective of the times.
Professor_Tickles 92 There is a difference between influencing and forcing
Retard Gaming What in these movies was forced?
20:31
Ladies and Gentlemen; FLAT BUTT.
What's really nuts about this Jeremy guy is how you can watch him rant and rave and be sexist and call Kathleen a disease and all this shit...and then you catch a glimpse of stuff around his office that lets you know he's a DAD. Like holy shit, this dude is a father...and he's ranting on camera like a maniac...over Star Wars...AND he's willingly uploading it to the internet.
His child is/children are going to grow up and find this. They're going to find out what kind of dude their Dad actually is.
Yikes.
Oh, so I’m not a fan because I’m new? I’ve seen all the films multiple times, played the new Battlefront games and Fallen Order, watched the Mandalorian, read Catalyst, Heir to the Jedi, Twilight company and am reading Tarkin as well, and am gonna start watching the animated series soon, but I guess that because I started in 2015, I’m not a fan.
sounds like you are a fan, reading novels connected to Star Wars, played the awesome battlefront games, and played fallen order, an amazing games thats connected to the aftermath of order 66. someday if your interested you should check out rebels rising novel (its about Jyn and Saw), bloodline (about Leia 6 years before force awakens), resistance reborn (after last jedi), lost stars manga (connected to the original trilogy in the perspective of different characters), from certain point of view (a collection of canon short stories that happened during new hope), phasma, Queen's shadow (pre-attack of the clone point of view of padme), dooku jedi lost (dooku's backstory). if you not interested in any of these novels for some reason it's ok
Anyone that likes any part of Star Wars is a true fan. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise. Shame on them for trying to shame you for something they don't like.
But have you played kotr and swtor?
@@Digitalhdwmn Oh yeah, because THAT makes you a true fan. Especially since most people that played KOTOR three console generations ago haven’t played SWTOR or even KOTOR II.
„She treats the fans like they’re idiots“
At this point SW fans ARE idiots. :D
What a time to be alive, huh.
Turn down for OHHHHHHHHHH
it’s shocking how so many fans of a critically acclaimed film franchise can have so little media literacy
Kay Krause "Ironic" -Sheev Palpatine
This is absolutely what I needed today, some actual logic in the fandom.
You're joking, right? This video is so incredibly biased, cherry picked and full of fallacies that I'm still not sure if he's trolling. I could make a similar video about feminists and it wouldn't represent the movement as a whole any more than this video represents Disney Wars critics.
John Smith He’s picking the fans that are toxic and have the loudest voice out there. It’s okay to hate the film, but he’s focusing on the worst part of the hate.
Creskey dude I think that’s a bot it’s repeating the same message over and over and giving everyone the same link
@@randomgamer625 No, I'm not a bot and you're god damned right I'm sending the same link to as many people as I can because they're all saying the same dumb shit.
@@vorshack8968 maybe because this same part has destroyed the life of a kid in 1999 and has changes a whole movie with all the hate? Even George Lucas couldn't stand this fandom :v
Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
Say something everyone hasn't heard a million times already lol
I’m done with Star Wars honestly not because of the movies, the games, the shows, or the books,
I’m done because of the “fandom”.
Dont blame ya.
@@Edoshmek Actual people with mental disease after seeing this fandom would be like: And I thought my phase of denial was evil
The Fandom Menace is a proof that you can make bucks with rage-baiting without any effort whatsoever.
I get the feeling people subscribe to Grace Randolph just to have a good laugh every once in a while.
Thats literally the reason i used to subscribe to her. This video of her was particularly weird though.
@@billbutton8468 she’s done some weird videos and I don’t always believe her or agree with her but a lot of the time she is reliable and gives a lot of good scoops and breakdowns/reactions
@@lorrainewalker6304 but her breakdowns and reactions are just really bad. I only subscribed to her back in the day because she had an amazingly annoying voice and cadence and she got EVERYTHING wrong when she would make predictions and stuff like that. Its hard to describe but she would like make predictions and i would already know shes wrong because i read the comics or i just have common sense and she just says so much off the wall shit. Shes fascinating
At least now she had good review to Shang Chi. Unlike these guys are anti Shang-Chi saying it's woke and feminist agenda. 🤣🤣
@@josephdanieljirehdimacali4418 That’s kind of because Grace isn’t 100% Fandom Menace. The Fandom Menace is alt-right trolls, but Grace literally only likes movies when they make money or push a feminist agenda. Also she puts herself on a high horse by claiming she has “insider knowledge”, which is really just that she’s interviewed high-profile people before and has just as much knowledge about the movie industry as any reporter. She may not be part of that specific problem, but she is a problem unto herself.
Man... the last few days I been binge watching all these past “fandom menace” and “SJW” videos on star wars. Holy crap I had no idea people were so caught up in this shit on the internet. Generally I thought the new movies weren’t that good. They were not made for me tho they were made for children. It reminds me of the play ground back in late 1900’s. We would argue til our tongues fell out about super hero’s and other fictional characters. This UA-cam is next level holy crap. First world problems... I love it...
You expect children to behave like that. Not grown adults with children of their own.
Brainwashing kids is what it is.
No, no, no, it's not first world problems, it's about the preservation of Western culture, it's SERIOUS SHIT!!!!!
The "Fandom Menace" content is getting old these days but surprisingly that they get away with the grift.
That last sentence of your comment says it all.
8:26 isn’t this the same guy who had a meltdown over Parasite winning best film
Yep thats the guy.
Aaaaaaaaaand I have also lost respect for this guy.
The same guy who wanted the Joker to win the Best Picture, even though the Joker had won two Oscar awards though, especially for Joaquin Phoenix for Best Actor. Parasite is pretty good and it deserved the Best Picture award.
Screw that critic! I find it laughable that his angry behavior doesn't make him an American patriot.
Unpopular opinion: I'm a huge Star Wars fan and I think both sides of the fandom are crazy!
Same
I've recently come to the same conclusion when I made the "mistake" of saying that, "Even though I was disappointed in TLJ, I can't wait to see how the story ends". I was called 6 dumb mf's (uncensored), a fool, a child, a retard, and a couple of idiots. Not a couple of idiots housed in a single vessel, but two different people called me an idiot. If they could be that passionate about education, then they could possibly comment without grammatical errors, and Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers would learn how to read.
who's the other side?
@@henryburby6077 SJW:s, insane Reylos, gatekeepers (who exists on both sides just so you know) and much more.
And also some people from both sides of the fandom can be really toxic. Some people that didn’t like the sequels will tell people that liked them stupid and say that they have bad taste and some people that liked the sequels will tell people that did hate the sequels that they are racist and bigots and that starwars i only for kids and they are called spoiled manbabys just because they disagree with them
I love how if something goes wrong, they will blame Kennedy but if it's something they like they will praise Abrams.
Yep being quick to sound the alarm like some other people’s they keep complaining about because they play the same moral outrage contest
I remember back in the old days when they would bash JJ Abrams for anything.
@@ArachnidoComics Then they mostly forgot about him. And now he's being criticised again. They also demanded Trevorrow be be gone and now that they got there wish they are now saying he should be in charge.
It's no different from the ant-Lucas days: If people didn't like something, blame was squarely on Lucas. If the loved something, praise went to anyone BUT Lucas. Damned if you do, damed if you don't.
@@emseesquared2510 exactly and then they will create a division but blame others for, it's the same reason Lucas (bless his heart) gave this problem to Disney
You're doing the real work, digging through all of the garbage of fandom. I love this video and hope you make more like it. Also, the Bizzare Inc. song made my damn day. Kudos!
@@CheknoEternity Nah. Just you.
@@CheknoEternity lol no u
@@CheknoEternity You're wasting your breath, this dude loves his echo chamber. Kathleen Kennedy herself could show up at his house, admit she fucked up, and he would stick his fingers in his ears.
Everything Music so what’s the plan genius kill Star Wars with Disney then what?
John Smith so what’s the plan will kill Disney Star Wars and then what? No more games or comics? Hope they sell it to someone else and keep the train hate going? Seriously plans with goals or a strategy are just dreams
There are literally no people worse than star wars fans... I mean the hobbit or grindelwald was trash as well but you never see such idiots being mad like their lives depend on it...
Been binging all your Star Wars videos because good lord it feels so good to find someone make the same arguments I've been making for years.
That like to dislike. The fandom menace came to this video in force, Jesus...
I guess you could say they definitely brought balance to it.
That means that they justify what they do lmao. It makes me sick
@@ilikepigeons6101 lol
Its hard to find.. this dude has like 16k followers.. he is so much in the minority its not funny.
@@antonalbo I think you'll find the fandom menace are the actual minority dumbass. Just a very vocal minority
This is amazing. More people need to see this. And BTW. why is Star Wars a franchise for „old conservatives“. She‘s nuts.
Star Wars is for everyone.
The same people who say “politics should be kept out of Star Wars”.
@@deadlyfremen7447 facts
Since when did STAR WARS titles have to "mean" anything? The majority of them, if not ALL of them, have been pretty self explanatory.
I mean what's the deeper philosophical meaning of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK? Or ATTACK OF THE CLONES?
The title just tells us a thing that's happening in the given Episode.
Honestly, these people need counseling or something.
Chas Blankenship seriously
Seriously. I mean, the only one that might be a bit deeper and take a minute to figure out is Phantom Menace because it isn't totally obvious upfront until you realize it's Palpatine beginning his master plan, and we don't see him outside his Sith Lord persona until a decent amount of time into the movie. But even then it's not that damn hard to figure out.
Hey man. You know what The Empire Strikes Back means? It means the empire.... is gonna strike back. But you know what The Rise Of Skywalker means?
Jack shit.
The original Star Wars was just called...Star Wars. That's how old I am.
People who care about a story need counseling? What a weird comment.
People like this have poisoned every fandom in fantasy.
Reminder that in the second season of The Clone Wars, when they reintroduced the Mandalorians and the planet Mandalore into Canon there were message boards dedicated to trashing and hating on Dave Filoni for creating a new story and lore for the Mandalorians and that hate continued throughout the show's run until the last season where Maul became a major villain and it was announced that the show would be cancelled. Its always a new target but they always hate and complain.
Incidently Dave Filoni would never agree to become a Producer or President of Lucasfilm because he loves writing stories and characters, he's a filmmaker in the purest sense, he wants to be the one making stories not delegating people to make stories for him, that's why he's the chief creative of Lucasfilm animation, so he alongside the Lucasfilm Story Group can map out the stories of shows, comics and other media.
How do you know that the same exact people are doing these things though? Can you prove how much crossover there is between the people complain about Filoni and Mandalorians and the people complaining about the current films?
Also, the state of Star Wars was very different then than it is now.
@@ericsantucci6934 the hate and toxicity has always been there, the only difference between then and now is that alt right grifters and conmen were able to monetize fan outrage and entitlement. That toxicity was limited to closed message boards and chat rooms pre Twitter, UA-cam and Facebook blowing up. Its exactly the same way youtubers that used to debunk religious nutjobs got a surge of views and subscribers after Gamergate because they made ad revenue bitching about feminism.
Watch a video called "This is not an Outrage" and Hello Greedo's video on Star Wars retcons.
@@Falxifer95 The Problem is that Social Media is spreading the Toxicity all around the internet.
But I liked those episodes, especially their redesign in the Darth Maul story
That guy with the hat unnerves me. He legit believes all the insane bullshit he says.
He revealed in an interview that he can’t believe the bullshit his viewers gobble up... ( aka he’s a fake). Plus he went down with one punch at a convention for all his tough talk...
Kathlyn Kennedy is behind some of my all time favs. Back to the Future, and Indiana Jones trilogy
Ikr. those and jurassic park trilogy
All great movies that the great Steven spielberg has made and George Lucas also made the Indiana jones trilogy together with spielberg
I honestly think that she didn’t ruin everything, it was mostly the directors or writers fault for the flawed sequel trilogy. So far I’ve enjoyed what she has done with Star Wars
So she was around while people did actual work. gg i was around while they made breaking bad.
@@Doubtfull1988 Learn what a producer is you pathetic man-child dunce
When has Star Wars not been political? You'd think the name "Stormtroopers" and altered Nazi uniforms would look political. Also, the Rebels in the Original Trilogy are based on Viet Cong, and the Empire is based on the United States, yet that's somehow "apolitical"
"It appears Luke will appear as a force ghost" -Daily Express.
No freaking kidding.
According to Grace Randolph, I'm a freaking SJW.
Good to know, I guess I'm not actually a Trump supporter because I like a few movies
@@Icybubba Did she actually call you that?
On a side note, she's insufferable lol
@@fofonablus7104 Indirectly. I never talked to her directly but in her videos she said that the people who liked TLJ are liberals
@James Buchanan Barnes Ayyy, fellow sequel loving conservative?
@@Icybubba what a fucking idiot
I'd love to hear from people that think Kathleen Kennedy is a know nothing what they think about The Mandolorian. If they like it they have to give her the credit.
The Fandom Menace likes to conveniently forget how much Kennedy had to do with the universally loved parts of Star Wars.
I think Kathleen Kennedy is a know nothing and I don't like The Mandalorian
Did she write or direct that show? Why should I give her credit?
@@Thrashman138 Oh, and which universally loved parts are you referring to?
@@vorshack8968 Kennedy has the exact role on the Mandalorian that she had on TLJ. If Kennedy is responsible for TLJ, she's equally as responsible for the Mandalorian.
I always LOVE the red letter media joke, that "The Last Jedi" should be renamed ...
"The Last Rian Jhonson Film".
Then you see "Knives Out"!
Nah, he's not going anywhere.
Hot take: Rian Johnson should've been given the whole trilogy
techno639 good take
@techno639 Lukewarm take: Rian Johnson should have been given episode 8 and 9. I was okay with 7 being directed by JJ.
Ethereal Sky also a good take
Knives Out was awesome.
It's funny to watch this 5 years later and hear the people at the beginning talking about Kathleen Kennedy's impending firing and she's still there LOL.
The sad sad f uckers.
This is easily the best Star Wars video on the internet, don’t @ me.
IKR this video is more accurate than the random bullshit mike zeroh, geeks and gamers upload in their videos. I just don't believe anything they say. I mean I can get actors having difficulties with the films, no director/head of companies are perfect , flaws in movies, and people don't like the films but I don't believe shit like "Kathleen Kennedy is evil", "Last jedi is the worst Star Wars movie ever", Rose and Holdo are the worst etc. if you were to say you weren't a fan of a certain scene/character in last jedi, not too keen on solo or don't think much for Kathleen Kennedy etc that's ok that's your opinion. at least you're not these manbabies crying about Star Wars being different
@@subscorpion9560 Yup.
Whinging about SJW politics in the recent movies... when the original movies were actively about the lone little guy overthrowing the space nazi's, just makes me laugh.
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Maj0r Lee is the embodiment of "Why are you booing me, what i say is truth and honesty."
Wish you would get the recognition you deserve, man.
@Char Aznable And the world really needs more Oblivion videos.
24:13 the thing is it’s literally canonically possible to do that hyperspace can basically destroy anything
@@randomgamer625 Where was it in the EU?
The fandom menace is like a cult, and nothing any says will not convince me that episode 2 is far worse than TLJ... discuss
Brian Hill yeah episode 2 is my least favorite too but I still it can enjoy it
Lieutenant Bastian Then you're not a real Star Wars fan dipshit!
Ummmm, you do realize this video doesn't represent TFM as a whole anymore than SJW Wrecked videos represent feminism? Right?
Michael McGrath I’m sorry that you can’t respect opinions
Lieutenant Bastian what i said is a fact you brain-damaged prequel apologist
How the FUCK do people expect Star Wars NOT to have political messaging in it??
I mean I don’t really like the over-abundance of political dialogue in the Prequels…….
….. but a black Woman existing in Star Wars IS NOT POLITICAL
Exactly. Cuz if we go by their logic. Lando was added for political reasons. As well as Mace Windu
My favorite thing about the "Fandom Menace" is that they'll deny that they're toxic or hostile. When they literally have the word "menace" in their name.
Sorry, we didn't want to steal the grotesque and oblivious irony of 'AntiFa'.
They can't take criticism either. They're like the Antifa of the Star Wars community.
JM Studios Literally The Disney Fans are the ANTIFA of the Star Wars community.
They actually are real members of ANTIFA and wear the rebel alliance symbol with ANTIFA colors.
@@AlfredFJones1776 Nice alternate reality.
@@Stretchdiazz Nah, they're the Fascists. We're the actual ANTIFA of Star Wars fans! 😄
I'm a conservative and I LOVE The Last Jedi. This groupthink that the Fandom Menace partakes in can be easily solved in one solution: DON'T WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIES
conservative/republican and Democrat/liberal are words that have completely losts their meaning and the political parties don't even fit their literal definition anymore and the parties just pretty much switched places a few decades ago.
I am Jacobin Democratic Socialist who despises health insurance companies and call for tuition free public college, and I kinda hated Last Jedi. Not because it was new take which would be great but the fact that a lot of the stuff in it went nowhere. Looking the whole thing about the freeing the animals was kind of self defeating cause we all know they will be recaptured. They didn't save the kids from slavery. And even though Poe was being an ass he should have been let due to his rank what Laura Dern's character was planning to do.
@Chuck Buskee Undertale Fandom is the only one viler than SW. GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM THEM NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars Fans
Well The Toxic Fans
@@Lightguardian_HOH So... reylos?
"No one hates BAD Star Wars more than Star Wars Fans." There, I made it a true statement.
@@Kissamiess I don't support Reylo such a dumb ship.
@@Lightguardian_HOH Yes and they are the most toxic of fans, even harassing Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver and their relationships.
If we learned anything about these films, it’s this... The Bad side of the Star Wars fandom does not understand Star Wars. They see the movies as just space operas. Their just space operas with nothing deep or sophisticated about them, despite claiming to know what their about. All what they wanted to see was a bunch of filler action scenes and nonsensical fan service moments and that’s it. Much like the Jurassic Park fandom not understanding The Jurassic Park/World franchise, or with dc comics fanboys not understanding Marvel’s successful line of films, the fandom clearly doesn’t understand this franchise and has no respect for any of the people who breaks their backs into making these movies. (They never praised any of the new and unique styles of filmmaking that goes into these movies and just made fun of what the characters do because they hate women and black people for some reason) it’s ironic about how many times they have complained for years about wanting Star Wars to go back to its original format of filmmaking while presenting new and fresh ideas onto the table, but how often do they actually apply what they preach onto themselves? Just like with the Dumbass Critic never understanding anything he talks about, the fandom never understood this franchise. And sadly, it seems like they never will. Just a reminder, that empire strikes back, you know, the most beloved and most adored episode of the whole series? This film was met with a negative response when it was first released, but it’s considered a classic amongst critics and audiences alike now. I’m not saying that it might happen to the sequel trilogy in the near future, but if it does happen, I guess that means that somethings never change Huh? Basically what I’m saying is, the Star Wars fandom, well the dark side of the fandom anyway, only got worse as time went by. Sure, they upped in numbers and all that, but their thought processing and presentation got heavily worse. They got so toxic, not only do they treat the people who make the films like mortal enemies, but also the people who like the films they hate, which is a line no one should ever cross, yet they enjoy attacking the defenders of these movies.
That geeks and gamers in particular is an absolute twat sooooo toxic
You have spoken the truth.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 Agree man we need more people like him.
Watching this in 2023, seeing Robert Storms crying about a movie in 2018, know he's about to lose it over Parasite a year later loooool
Someone told me that I wasn't a real star wars fan for loving the sequels
Wow, that sucks man. I mean, i don't like two of the prequels, but everybody can like whatever they want.
Same thing is happening to me now, because i like The Force awakens and The Last Jedi.
First world problems
*plays world's smallest violin*
Same
Joey's Movie Blog that sucks I have been told that to
36:17 is Jeremy Talking about personal Experience?
I’m conservative and I honestly enjoy all three Star Wars sequel films for different reasons. People need to realize that not everything is going to cater to what THEY want. I mean I personally don’t like the prequel trilogy but you don’t see me crying about it. It has its audience and I’m happy it does.
Seriously, some Star Wars fans really need to learn to either be constructive with their views or just shut up.
I'm not a fan of sequels either but it's not as bad as what they made out to be. The OT is superior and iconic, the prequels have some ups and downs, and the sequels are underwhelming.
So you're right that not everything has to cater to them. People have their own opinions all they want and that's okay to agree or disagree with others. However, being salty over someone's opinion is worst than a League of Legends player.
The thing to remember is these types are not your average conservative. These types are often alt right or have association with such. There's some clear racism, sexism, and overall hate that comes from them. They ignore everything about Star Wars that says to not be that way and instead join the fascist darkside of our world.
@@s7robin105 The fandom menace is honestly the most humiliating and pathetic group I’ve seen for pretty much anything. They’re also what makes Star Wars embarrassing for me to enjoy.
It's different to like or dislike. But when it comes to the sequels it has destroyed the lore of Star Wars. If you was a real Fan you would understand it 🤢
@@werewolfofthedarkwolf3368 The phrase “real fan” irritates me to no end. It’s such a snobbish and elitist way to look at things. There’s different types of fans especially when it comes to Star Wars. There’s fans like you who are deep into the lore and mythology, and there’s fans like me who just love seeing space battles and laser sword fights and couldn’t care less about the deeper stories of Star Wars. Everyone’s different. Please knock it off with this pretentious “real fan” rhetoric. Star Wars is supposed to be fun. Plain and simple. And I had fun with all three trilogies, even the sequels AND the George Lucas prequels that I’m not too much of a fan of personally. I still love and respect Lucas, don’t get me wrong. But his films weren’t for me.
Jermey resently said that rise of skywalker will have to be over 3 hours to retcon last jedi which would not work. Just because avengers endgame was 3 hours does not mean that ep 9 has to be
I would have loved it to be 3 hours I think it would've helped with the pace
@@athenajaxon2397 agreed
These dudes forget that the OT was literally a parallel to the VC rebelling against American Imperialism.
Honesty: Even at 12 years old, I felt awkward watching the special editions, it felt like numerous comical inserts that didn't fit the emotional pace I had watching the originals, the Phantom Menace, 15 minutes into it felt off and I looked around and the theater was silent with people looking around as well in an almost uneasy fashion. The following prequels had similar vibes in the theaters. I liked aspects of TPM and bought the toys like crazy but dropped off on the sequels entirely. TFA I enjoyed when I watched it, it was like I always said for awhile as to what if Star Wars came out for the first time today? In a lot of ways, I was after awhile disappointed that I didn't get a new story and style that would continue where believably Jedi left off. 30 years later storyline wise still had Tie fighters and x wings, death star, Han I felt should have been a gruff general instructing recruits, Luke would have been so welcomed to appear and reunite with Han in TLJ. I felt like there were countless missteps for me, that's what's important to stress here, for me it didn't work, anyone who loves the prequels or special editions or sequel trilogy, that's awesome! I may even be tempted to say that only the unaltered OT feels like "my" Star Wars. Whatever is "your" Star Wars is yours and you have the right to love what you love without getting hate. To me, real fans would show respect to fellow fans. Would it be ridiculous if in 1977 a fan of Darth Vader would trash talk someone who liked Luke or C3PO more? Because they feel that Vader was a badass and to them, Luke and 3PO were whiny? Live and let live, TLJ for me was the most disappointing movie I've ever seen and I felt that the vibe and pacing were drastically off and did feel like the people who made it were out of touch of what made the foundation of Star Wars great. In the end, I have 3 timeless films to enjoy for the rest of my life that will never age. If you have 3, 6, 9, or 11 films that are timeless to you, I am genuinely happy for you and you shouldn't have to defend what you love or be hated on just because you enjoy something they or even I do not understand.
I agree with you 100% regarding my first experience with TPM. I dont agree with your assessment on the ST, but you're being very reasonable and understand that enjoyment of films is based on personal opinion. Cheers.
_"It feels like humorous comical inserts that didn't fit the emotional pace."_
Well, LEGO Star Wars would like to have a word with you.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 a Lego game is expected and never does the Lego game give you the impression of anything within the confines of a dramatic and/or serious tone.
I find it bizarre that you would compare a Lego game to a film with the film also already having previous films that set the overall tone of this universe. (Minus the stupid ewoks and Chebaccas stupid Tarzan yell)
The Fandom Menace - and every bellend channeling the same smooth-brained issues without being "officially" "aligned" with the Fandom, apparently... - in a nutshell:
They are *all* the kid Alec Guinness had advised to never watch Star Wars again...
Or maybe just that kid's illegitimate children who he took his anger out on. Who really knows?
Solo didn't fail because of "SJWs," it did not do as well because it was a spinoff and it was competing with Deadpool 2 and Infinity War. If you want to profit off a film, don't release it in theaters the same month as an Avengers film
Solo is more of a prequel. I thought the film is good.
I can’t say I was a big fan of TLJ, but Luke’s character arc was one of the highlights of the movie for me. I didn’t see it coming and it made for interesting story telling. I’m honestly embarrassed to call myself a Star Wars fan, if it’s going to be associated with these weird fanatical rants. Im glad you made this video, it ‘s much needed.
I guess I'm a casual fan compared to these nerds but TLJ changed Luke's character and made the force easily acquired. I've watched 1-8 and only like 3, 5, and rogue one. Luke wouldn't try to kill his nephew when he sensed dark in him because luke wouldn't kill Darth vador the galactic hitler because luke sensed some good in anakin. How did Leia and Rey control the force to fly and mind trick without ANY training when Luke was a prodigy and needed training to even properly sense it? Rey is a good fighter but how can she beat the emperor's red guards when they are the best warriors in the galaxy and kylo when he is seriously trained with force and lightsabers. Where are the knights of ren? Whos that evil guy kylo killed? How did he get into power? How is he so strong in the force? Last jedi looks cool but why do you like it maj0r lee? You gay? Starwars is female wtf? You were supposed to bring balance to the force not join them! #verdeleche ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
+Maj0rLee the sjw ideology infecting comics is real. If you pick up a comic you'll find all the marvel white dudes superperheroes have been replaced by womans or minorities instead of creating new cool superheroes. Wolverine, thor, blackpanther and ironman are now female, captain America and hulk are now black and Asian which might be OK if they were good written characters. Miles morales is ok but is just a copy of Peter Parker. I'm a browno by the way and I miss the classic superheroes like Tony stark instead of riri williams.
@@TheFourthWall14 maybe you need to do more research into the Wolverine and black panther "being girls"
@@GideonMadu female wolvorine is weapon x chick and she is black panthers sister. Maybe I don't Gideon.
@@TheFourthWall14 Shuri, T'challa's sister took over as black panther because T'challa decided to leave Wakanda to join the Avengers. Weapon X-23(or X-22) is basically a Logan clone. So no, the Black Panther and Wolverine are not gender swapped
Kathleen Kennedy is a good producer she did ET, BTTF, Last Airbender, Raiders of the lost arc like stop denying her talent and get a life.
I mean she's one of the best things to happen to Jurassic park
"We're the Nobodies, wanna be Somebodies..." - the modern Star Wars "fandom"
Nice Marilyn Manson reference
"I want Rey as a Skywalker"
EP IX: Rey Skywalker
"WTF I'M DISGUSTED, REY AS SKYWALKER?"
8:17 is basically a physical presentation of what the people complaining about “Disney Star Wars” looks like. A big man child.
"I could analyze this video forever, it's just so deeply layered" - Bilbo Baggins
Lots of women in this video to look at O.O
TripleSkipp Do you think MauLer and Rag’s need to talk about this video fellow EFAP watcher?
JEHUTY the longman cometh
Ziv Biton long man bad
May the Don be with you
People that like this video need too watch his appearance on Efap because his arguments just fall apart
holy shit, these guys are like Fox News but for Star Wars
I'm surprised to have to say this, but here goes: THIS VIDEO IS NOT MOCKING PEOPLE WHO IN GENERAL DISLIKE THE LAST JEDI. You can still dislike or even hate the movie. This video is merely pointing a mirror at the fringe characters who are, indeed, acting really fucking crazy. And if Lee's humor is offending your sensibility, realize he's mocking people who seem to deserve it because, well... just look at these behaviors, I mean, damn! This simply ain't normal, guys. And there do exist people on this comment thread who are keeping it civil and about the movies, not about political agendas, but about artistic choices. THAT'S how you're supposed to have discourse about films, not what these fringe people are doing.
Like Han said in TFA, "I like this guy."
Yes exactly. I didn’t like TLJ or Solo for that matter, but as an adult I am willing to listen to why people like them...and then move on because at the end of the day, it’s a movie. I understand how important it is to many and that is totally cool, but if it is that important, why not be adults and discuss issues instead of calling people names, calling for people to be fired, stirring up hatred and dividing those who care so much? It makes me feel they must have miserable lives. People who are happy with their lives don’t try to take everyone down.
Star Wars fans: I want them to do something different with the franchise.
(The last Jedi exists)
Star Wars fans: OH NO! They did something different with the franchise! It’s sucks!
Holdo manoeuvre was the only thing that didn't make sense within the logic of the universe. Other than that, Luke, finn, rey's arc could have been changed.
Doesen't matter if its "unique" or not, People hate the TLJ because it's poorly written and contradicts lore which extends to the whole trilogy, many of the more dedicated fans like myself wanted a legends inspired sequel trilogy based on the Thrawn trilogy or even the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, it would have definitely been different and risky but definitely been more captivating than the sequel trilogy we got.
@@Stryker98 but the last Jedi isn't poorly written, it doesn't contradict movie canon. It's not Legends and that's not a problem. Rise of Skywalker is the only sequel that feels compromised and I guarantee this backlash caused it.
@@GamerWho The Last Jedi most definitely does contradict movie canon, training as Jedi means nothing when Rey became more powerful than Palpatine in the force with little training when even Luke needed 4 years of training to become a Jedi and still would have died to Palpatine if not for Vader, force healing is now an ability that apparently comes naturally to Rey and Kylo when the prequels established force healing is a highly advanced technique that Anakin was willing to fall to the dark side to learn, ramming ships in hyperspace doesn't make sense when it's already established hyperspace is basically going through another dimension not "going really fast", and many other contradictions that are questionable at best.
Many people think that TLJ wasn’t different FOR THE BETTER
"Fire Kathleen Kennedy and put Dave Filloni at is place"
Does they know that Dave Filloni have a job in lucasfilm... because Kennedy want it to ?
I mean, Rebels and Mandalorian, that's thanks to Kennedy, the new season of clone wars, same thing. If they're was another producers in charge, chances are that Filloni would'nt stayed after Clone Wars, seeing that one of the first thing Disney did with Star Wars was stopping the production of the show.
Though now that they’ve found a 4 year old video of Filoni speaking about Star Wars and feminism has been discovered they’ve changed their minds
“There isn't a thing that we do in the storytelling space that I don't check with Dave. What I find about Dave is you don't just sit down and have a discussion about plot or review characters inside the Star Wars world. You end up having meaningful, thoughtful discussions about what it is we're trying to say inside the storytelling.”
Kathleen Kennedy said that herself
@@henryhammond7393 The ultimate proof they don't give a fuck to the quality of star wars and just want to get ride of women.
Who have a "Politic agenda" in this situation ?
Let’s also talk about how Kennedy let Filoni shadow Rian Johnson on the set of the Last Jedi because Filoni asked her if he could make a live action show and she said yes. And Filoni said he loved every minute of it. Those two sentences are a nightmare for the Fandom Menace and it brings me great joy knowing it’s 100% true
Now that the movie is out, we can confirmed that stefan is full of shit, because litterally nothing of what he sais would happen in the movie didn't happen at all. Even the C3PO shooting with Chewie blaster didn't happen, and we all thought it will.
You mean Stefan Molyneux, that crazy Alt-Right Shit-Head?
@@sekirothegreatshinobi2332 So... an Alt Right guy... "Crazy alt right shit head" is redondant... but yes.
@@MJFERMEZLA Well, that's normaly how i descripe Idiots like him. I mean, he's cleary a Pyschopath. In Fact, the Alt-Right in general on UA-cam and Everywhere on the Internet are so bloody paranoid and stupid.
Well his source was Mike Zeroh so what did you expect?
Stefan Boyski?
It’s January 2022 and Kathleen Kennedy is still in charge of Lucasfilm lol
Of course, she Literally is here to throw money at projects and man is she good at that.
The accuracy of this video is amazing. Seriously appreciate saying what needs to be said and stating facts. I love Star Wars but there are too many toxic fans that have no idea what they are talking about. It’s a shame that they corrupted the community so much