Also doesn't explain how she can use [insert whatever here] without training. None of the parent theories explained that. The Chosen One theory explained that, because she would have had Anakin's soul.
@@nikolav9025 No. Rian Johnson said he wouldn't MIND his film being retconned it was never confirmed that that was going to happen. Also JJ said he won't so I'm sorry bro
@@Bothandle70 Yeah you can fuck off with that "blame the fans". It was clear that JJ intended rey to have a lineage or bloodline that was previously strong in the force, or a background somehow related to it. His heavy handed references to it in ep 7 makes that so. Abrams was just "giving into the fans" when he did make her a palp. He was course correcting the ruination of his set ups. I dont believe he intended it to be a palpatine blood line when he started this (considering palps was never supposed to be in it pre-disney suits meddling of IX) but there was a significance considering she had an entire fucking LSD force trip from merely touching a lightsaber.
@@Nasmr1 what are those references you're talking about? All I see in TFA is that you can continue that movie literally anyhow you wanted because everything is a fucking cliffhanger. Also when she touched Anakins lightsaber, there was no significant meaning about her. That was a force touch into the past. Jedi Fallen Order explains it.
@Sanjays Section so her being a palpatine is ridiculous all along. Man I fucking hate that there can't be a person just born with so much power without that being inherited. Rian Johnson made a freakin masterpiece with TLJ, but sadly he didn't continue to make the last film and instead we got Rey being a Palpatine and all those contradictions to TLJ.
I don't know how anyone can watch The Rise of Skywalker and think "wow The Last Jedi is the worst Star Wars movie". The Last Jedi is a master piece, finally some originality and intelligence from a Star Wars movie, and the fans hate it. Star Wars is sci-fi for dumb people.
@@Mastikator they both suck. Star Wars 8 is just a mediocre movie and a bad Star Wars. I respect your opinion but intelligent movie? Why because they subvert expectation? Really if you understand French i will consider you see "PJREVAT Star wars les derniers jedi" it's the best analysis video ever on Star Wars 8 and why it's a bad movie. It's good to take away the past, i get it from the movie and luke seeing the darkside of Kylo is not a bad thing but you can't except me to clear the past and give me nothing. At the end of the movie i was telling myself where is the epic shit and politics is just dumb as hell. Star wars 1,2 and 3 is more clever that those 3 horrible movies that disney gave us. And i agree with what you saying, Rise of the Skywalker is the worst trash i have ever see, fan service is not a good thing. Rogue One is the only Disney one i liked.
@@solaymanbelfaquih1800 Solo was a pretty decent heist movie. I preferred Solo over Rogue One. The characters in Rogue One are just too one dimensional
It's exactly like when Nerrell called out the fact they'd pull a repeat of the Rogue One Vader hallway scene only with Luke Skywalker instead, and they literally did.
Maj0r Lee: "All fan theories would be shit if they came true, because they are the definition of predictable" Also Maj0r Lee: "Isn't it great I predict that Rey's parents would be nobodies?"
@@ilikepigeons6101 He was built up from TFA, nobody cares about theories they were just expecting interesting with him. As JJ left a question about Snoke origins, power and how he took control First Order and also the history of the first order which probably connected with Snoke. They expect this in TLJ then for him to throw away his character like that. Fair enough if you like film but people who do criticises have valid reasons.
TJ good point but the thing is, Snoke was never meant to be a major character, he's only their to set up Kylo's character arc. Plus, we know how the first order was set up, as they came from the empire itself, except not having enough control over the galaxy
@@ilikepigeons6101 But why make so many questions about him by JJ?It makes it seem he was major character.Thats not good answer just kill him off for another character without explaining (also I knew FO was from the empire but I want to know how it rise in unknown regions and how smoke became supreme leader). If they explained that and then kill him, I would be fine. I felt that ep 7 and ep 8 are quite disconnected as plot threats were reused(i.e Rey was told Maz that her parents won't come back for her and are nobodies in ep 7 so why was repeated in ep 8). People had Rey theories to explain her power level which hasn't been explained.
I'd love to debate that fuckin' rat by defending the sequel trilogy. I used to like him but his ego and smugness have gone off the charts. His Last Jedi review goes so fuckin' extra it makes me question his ability to review a Star Wars movie without comparing it to his precious childhood memories of the originals. He said he liked Rogue One because it paid tribute to A New Hope and thinks the sequels are trash because Han, Luke and Leia aren't the badass trio he remembers. 🤦♂️ Yeah maybe because it isn't their story anymore. Does anybody want anything bold and new anymore?
Jaxson Burke two problems, 1) you’re wanting to debate the most dominant debater of our time and 2) you’re wanting to defend the sequel trilogy. Both of those positions are untenable.
I disagree with your take on the "Let the past die" theme. I actually think that's shown to be the wrong thing to do. Instead, it's shown that we can take things from the past, learn from it, and keep the past alive while still moving on from it.
Lee hadn't exactly been the nicest guy to MauLer on twitter, saying something along the lines of, "I had no reason to live until I made the T(hree)-Series TLJ critique." Not the exact context, but he did tweet something like that when MauLer initially hit 100K subs. That being said, I can't wait for the day Maj0r Lee gets MauLed on EFAP.
Also, it kind of feels hypocritical of him to say that people's speculation ruined their enjoyment on the film when he says he enjoyed the film because he was right. Emphasis on was.
@@BlueFury2577 Episode 8 and 9 have almost the exact same problems. Why is antagonizing fans who cared bout Snoke and Rey's parents better than pandering to those same fans? (It's not.) In fact, ridiculing fans for caring about your story "Your Snoke theory sucks" makes it actively more difficult for fans to enjoy the movie.
@@Debicus The next movie not following some fans' scheduling is not the same as de-railing all the interesting bits of a previous film and by extension the entire saga for some corporatised pandering.
@@intensellylit4100 Ugh, I hate that backpedalling bullshit. Saying Rey's parents were nobodies should mean that all of her family was. It should not need an overexplanation.
Why do people keep rehashing this idea that TLJ introduced the idea of not having to be a Skywalker to be a Jedi? That was never a stated thing in the movies. It just happened that Luke himself was the son of a Jedi, not that all Jedi were born to special family lines or anything. Did nobody see the prequels that had hundreds of Jedi who were not Skywalkers? In existing stories there are thousands of Jedi who were otherwise nobodies.
@@samthong3305 Meanwhile, the twist that Darth Vader turned out to be Luke's father or that Luke and Leia were twin brother and sister was totally planned from the beginning and made total sense at the time before the prequels came along and explained it in the worst way possible.
@@isaacbeeby2528 the difference is, at least it was hinted at the start of the movie and it actually was a good twist. The prequels are pretty much anyone's opinion but i thought the explanation was pretty good, tho the movies aren't perfect. in the sequels they literally keep changing so much in terms of plot twists, characters and story tone that i really don't care.
Luke Skywalker wasnt a regular farmer. He was a moisture farmer. In A New Hope you didnt see a herd of nerfs on the Lars homestead, you saw moisture vaporators.
And after two years that milk is still fresh as hell because this video is great and the last Jedi is great although rise of Skywalker was trash I’ll give you that
I don't think you understand what I mean friend. Many of the comments in this video had little weight to begin with now with TRoS release so much is just incorrect or contradictory when looking at the whole story. That is why I said it aged like Milk. The milk is not fresh, far from it But who cares right, "YOU GET TO LOOK AT WOMEN."
@@crazydragonstudios7259 Hahaha you sequel apologists are on the wrong side of history 😂😂 talk about vindication. And the Mandalorian actually gave us the Luke we wanted. Oh... and it seems Lucasfilm and all the actors/actresses want nothing to do with the sequels lmfao just like this video, your opinions aren’t worth shit
I don't actually know what video he does that in. I suppose you do, though, so if you wouldn't mind pointing me in the direction of this response, that would be great.
"If they had gone with any of the dumb theories about Rey's parents it would have been lame and predictable" "Back in 2016 I said it would be cool if they made it so Rey parents were nobody, but that isnt lame or predictable because its MY theory"
@@leelustig just because you predicted a dumb theory doesn't make that dumb theory any less dumb. Also, being able to predict an intelligent or rational theory doesn't cause it to become dumb. So no, when it comes to a theory being dumb you got those backwards.
@The Commenter Calling intelligent theories dumb doesn't make them less intelligent, it actually makes you less intelligent. As you know, every single one of those theories were infinitely superior than what RJ did. Even if they had been as actual dogshit as what RJ put the movie, that wouldn't have made RJs garbage any less trash. You're a liar.
This video is actually dumber then the movie and is probably a troll, if so cudos. The new one went back on everything and still couldn't fix the fire this movie caused. The movie was subverting our expectations, we thought the movie would be good.
@@Prof_Tickles92 ok for starts, Disney used alot of legend material, they brought palp back, they used not 1 but 3 mcguffins, they wrote rose out including incomplete character arcs, they didn't use the knights of Ren well after building them up, they literally had a cavalry charge in a space battle. It's all either dumb or backtracking
@@Prof_Tickles92 all you need to do is check the actors reaction to the ending, especially mark Hamill's various warnings to the fans since the last Jedi. That speaks more than my fanboy disappointment would
Hugh Adams Because the social politics, bad writing, terrible jokes and pointless scenes. And by the way before you think I'm a toxic fanboy I liked the movie but still saw its flaws.
Cuz this one and the last one don’t connect with all the secrets and shit whatsoever. All those things they wanted you to keep guessing about in the force awakens and then for literally all of it to be just nothing...you can tell they were made by two different ppl.
Hugh Adams Because they don't critisise it neutral or fair.They just don't got this to see what the expectations wanted and then they're pissed off.The laguage shows already what this people are.JERKS!
@@houseoftoussaint9609 No. The throne room fight, for example, is full of awful choreography, missed ques, and mistakes. One guard attacking Kylo, while the other twirls his weapon uselessly in the background, waiting his turn until Kylo is ready to block him, is an objective mistake. Not opinion. Guards missing their swings on purpose, Rey hits one guard and 2 others go flying with him for no reason, guards literally standing still waiting to be stabbed, etc, all mistakes, period. There are a million things like that, including plot issues that are objectively wrong.
@@FinalBossWTMN Yeah. Shit happens. On the flip side, you gave me loving the idea of lightsabers from opposing sides (red and blue in fact) fighting side by side. We even got to see a little bit of form Zero. I liked it. Am I not supposed to? Am I supposed to agree with you and many others? Surely not.
The Last Jedi was great, I liked the series so much more back when Rey had no crazy famous lineage and anyone could possibly have force powers. The Rise of Skywalker ruined what was a fantastic concept.
Anyone can be force sensitive, not every Jedi had Jedi parents, that’s well established in canon. What was not possible yet (except for Anakin who was literally the chosen one) is just some random being one of the most powerful force users ever, defeating Kylo Ren the first time she used a lightsaber.
@@patrickmaybe2197 We just want a good movie, and it frustrates us watching people like Lee bend over backwards trying to defend garbage while insulting the people who aren't.
3:41 of course, that kid was just thrown away, never to be seen again. would have been pretty interesting to actually see him join the resistance or something, but no, thrown away just like Fins potential
@@pastaphilias sure, it might have been interesting, depending on what they did with him, but I think they used him exactly as much as they should have. He wasn’t a character, he was an idea, the utility of which was just to demonstrate not only that you don’t have to be special to be Force-sensitive, but also that Luke’s last stand against the First Order made him a legend and that his, and Rise and Finn’s actions are inspiring and giving hope to the galaxy
@@PatheticApathetic How Luke's fake "last stand" on the salt planet with secret Rebel base was what made him an immortal legend, and not destroying a Death Star and defeating the Emperor? Not to mention years of regular fight against the Empire between New Hope and Empire strikes back? I don't understand your statement.
@@omarsheriff51 I think 7 was nostalgic but unoriginal and 8 was brilliantly subversive and actually tried to do something different and unique. I didn't like 9 :(
@Aru Gula Give one reason why other than Canto Bight, which took up all but 10 minutes. Even that was good, in trying to create a larger canvas for the plot as a whole. Why even bother doing a fantasy movie if you're limited to one storyline and a few settings like TRoS?
@Aru Gula I thought that was what you guys hated about it, it was too new, it trashed the lore etc. Saying that Rey wasn't anyone special, wasn't part of a great bloodline. If that's not new and daring in the SW universe I don't know what is. But of course TRoS had to go back on that interesting plot point and retreat into the absurd safety of her being descended from the emperor. What a load of absolute crap. You got what you wanted and it was total shite.
I agree with all of this, the movie was incredible, I thought so when I watched it in the theater, then I heard my friends and reviews online trashing it and stupidly agreed. *BUT I watched it again recently because I really wanted to* and realized it was amazing and everyone is stupid and doesn't know what they are talking about, you always have to think for yourself and trust your gut. This was a satisfying Star Wars movie, you get a lot of everything you need when watching a Star Wars film and more.
You’re an idiot. Read what you just wrote, “everyone is stupid and doesn’t know what they are talked about.” Then you go on to say “you always have to think for yourself.” People are entitled to there opinion. This film was trash and was a joke of a film.
"haters" these days is applied to anyone someone dislikes, the best part about that strategy is you don't have to give any reasons why. Just simply stick to calling your opponent names constantly and feel good about your self that you did. That way of thinking has spread like cancer to become the norm.
MadVulcan: I do not dislike “the amazing Lucas” I just do not agree with how much he hated The Last Jedi and do not feel he needs to swear so much trying proving his point. I have plenty of reason for why The Last Jedi is a good film.
I haven’t watched the sequels since I saw the focus group turd that is TRoS, until last night when I had the sudden urge of watching TLJ again. And I was mesmerized. Fully invested in every plot. It’s the best looking Star Wars film by far, along with ESB. It has themes, setups and payoffs, intrigue and huge setups for the final chapter. Rian Johnson took the mediocre and safe TFA, and course-corrected the saga back to art, not seen in Star Wars since ESB (or RotS). And then JJ ruined it all, for a long long time. TLJ will be seen as a masterpiece in 20 years.
I find this video hard to take at face value. The movie has plenty of problems without needing to reach for the “butthurt manbabies who didn’t have their fantheory headcanons realized” card and pretending the rabid fanboy camp was the only camp criticizing the movie, and by implication said criticism was only rabid faboying, makes it look like you were more interested in attacking a straw man than addressing said criticism. I didn’t care if Rey was the child of someone famous or not, I just wanted it to be “not nothing”. Sure, “nothing” wasn’t something we expected, but that’s because we didn’t think the writers would build up her parents to be such a major factor in her character and then throw it in the garbage. She doesn’t have to be Vader’s cousin’s daughter’s uncle’s former roommate in order to have her heritage contribute to the story in an engaging way. Smoke, too, turned out to be “nothing”. I find it funny that you compare Luke’s decision not to kill Kylo to his choice regarding Vader because there’s another piece of his history I think you’re forgetting. Luke, more than anyone, should know the power of redemption - so why is he contemplating the murder of his nephew in the first place? Especially considering that his decision to brandish the lightsaber was wholly predicated on, what? “Feeling darkness within him” or getting some vision of the future, right? Had he forgotten the shit he got into the last time he took such visions and predictions too seriously? He staunchly refused to kill his father, an actual Sith Lord and embodiment of the Empire’s iron-fisted tyranny, even though not doing so might seal the Empire’s final victory, but then he’s seconds away from killing his teenage nephew - who as of yet has presumably done no wrong - in cold blood because of what *might* happen? This is the sort of thing people mean when they say TLJ was a betrayal of Luke’s character. In order to not be a horrible story choice this sort of thing needs a lot of background showing why Luke would make such a drastic 180 on what he stood for and, surprise, that sort of information is one of the new movies’ worst qualities. I strongly dislike TLJ mostly because it was utterly boring and, by the time we got to the oh-so-intricately detailed world of Not-Hoth I couldn’t care less about what happened next and wanted it to be over. The movie took the mediocre start from TFA and added terrible characters, shoddy writing, a largely worthless waste of time on Planet Vegas, a monotonous setup for a chase scene, and the worst protagonist since Jake Lloyd.
@Call Me Coach I agree, I don't think there's much worth in bringing politics into filmmaking. So, first off, you might want to have a chat with the people behind the making of TLJ who wrote off all criticism as being misogynistic, or all the critics who praised the movie for how progressive it was. I don't think it's any great stretch of the imagination to conclude that a fair amount of people complaining that this was a "trash SJW movie" stemmed from people telling us we're supposed to like it based on "SJW" values. Second...I didn't mention politics in my post at all. As I wrote in it, the movie has loads of problems just as a film. Do you care about defending the movie or are you just around to prove my point?
this may not do much for you, but while Luke does ultimately believe in redemption, he's not perfect. again, he says to stop upholding the Jedi. he went wild on Vader after he threatened Leia, cut off his hand, could have killed him, *almost went to the dark side.* being a Jedi doesn't mean being perfect, it means striving to do better despite your flaws. again, Luke is imperfect and impulsive just like any of us. for him to see assumable horror within Ben's mind, it's not that far a leap to think he'd react seeing a new Darth Vader right there in his school. is it cool and heroic? hell no, it's rather unbecoming and unfortunate, and that's the point. one momentary flaw ruined his life. Jedi are not perfect.
@@RacingSnails64 Do you realize the kind of picture you're trying to paint of Luke? You're essentially saying that his immediate reaction when witnessing the *possible* anticipation of terrible things is *murder*. This despite having already faced and overcome the dark side and having been a Jedi Master for up to twenty years. You're saying he learned nothing from that encounter with Vader. You're saying he's so emotionally unstable that even after everything he's been through and everything he's learned his first impulse is to kill something that frightens him. This is far from saying he's imperfect - you have to believe that he was about to do something he would never do willingly and shouldn't be doing at all given how he should have progressed over the time between films. It doesn't follow at all knowing what we do about his character in the OT and there's absolutely no explanation as to why he reached the point of near murder besides "he saw something scary". It's as if the film expects us to think that he's learned and gained nothing in the years between films at best and pretends that all his development didn't mean anything at worst. He also didn't say "stop upholding the Jedi" until years after the "murder my nephew in cold blood" bullshit, so that's out.
@Tom Ffrench Maybe Ben gets tempted and corrupted by a Sith ghost or artifact? Maybe he starts on his Vader obsession because of some twisted view of past Jedi? Maybe Snoke gets in his head? Maybe he has a falling out with Luke over the way he's leading the new generation of Jedi? Maybe he has issues with the Republic refusing to confront the First Order and is corrupted after a confrontation with Snoke? Maybe "Luke does something wrong" doesn't automatically mean "let's murder my nephew in cold blood"? Maybe there's a thousand different possibilities because creative writing is something that doesn't require butchering older characters in order to tell a new story?
@Tom Ffrench ...? Maybe in your own head? Darths Bane, Sidious, Revan, and Malek as well as Kyp Durron would like a word with you - just to name a few off the top of my head.
luke ginder not even true, I'll even admit the tone and music could have been way better. There's plenty on UA-cam on its flaws, not enough praise, where it is due.
@@_Abysswalker_ Maybe that's because there's not that much to praise? Sure, the acting was mostly great, a lot of work was put into the special effects, the cinematography was good and the music was alright (although I found it unmemorable compared to the OT and PT's scores). However, TLJ fails where it truly matters. The plot is a mess driven by contrivances. The tone is inconsistent. The new characters are one-dimensional and uninteresting to watch. The old characters have become inconsequential, while Luke's 180 degrees character shift isn't explored enough to make it believable and realistic. Several aspects of the lore are twisted and ignored, resulting in inconsistencies with past movies. The themes are ripped off straight from the older movies and aren't executed properly, making them ring hollow. And finally, the worst offense is that TLJ, much like TFA before it, makes the entire Original Trilogy meaningless by resetting the status quo. 30 years later, another Rebellion is on the run from another evil Empire, the Jedi are once again on the brink of extinction, and our old heroes have failed by apparently forgetting all the lessons they learned during the OT, making their journey there pointless. You most likely don't see it that way. However, for those of us who do, can you understand why this movie was a colossal disappointment and why it's caused so many fans to lose interest in the future of Star Wars?
Also what? You try to justify Luke drawing a lightsaber on Kylo because he was "following his Jedi training too closely" in regards to "detachment". Since when did Luke follow those teachings in the OT? He explicitly didn't follow them in Empire when he went off to save Leia and Han when Yoda told him to let go. He definitely didn't follow it when he let himself lose his cool when Vader threatened his sister. I mean Luke was only pretty much entirely driven to save Vader BECAUSE of his attachment to him. Yeah sounds like the same person who would try to murder his nephew in his sleep. Same Luke who gave himself to the Empire to save his father - one of the most evil entities in the galaxy. And then your example for this is showing Obi-Wan trying to push Luke to kill Vader, as if to strengthen this as a Jedi teaching, but that very scene shows Luke saying "I can't kill my own father". Do you not see how that completely contradicts your point about it being in Luke's character to consider killing Kylo? Luke was NOT about that teaching. He was the very antithesis to it. That's what made him differ from Anakin. He didn't follow that BS, and when he had a moment of anger, he got over it instead of thinking he'd turned to the Dark Side. Luke embraced his attachments and didn't let the fact that he had feelings for them cloud his judgment. Point is, yeah Obi-Wan tells Luke he has to kill Vader. But, c'mon. Darth Vader is the LORD OF THE SITH, responsible for murdering countless people (many Jedi masters) and essentially plunging the entire galaxy into darkness. Kylo Ren was just a student. Some kid whose biggest crime by that point was simply having possible doubts in Luke's teaching. There is a BIG difference between killing Kylo Ren and killing Darth Vader, and LUKE DOESN'T EVEN KILL VADER. So WHAT is your actual point here?
@@Shin_FTW this guy..... every comment i read of his..... im just speechless. You agree or say that you have nothing to argue against him and hes praises you. The second you show any sign of disagreement, no matter how civil you are, he insults you........
@@leelustig And what credentials do you possess which makes you "get film"? The guy makes a whole list of valid points that demonstrate his knowledge of the SW theme and you come back with "You don't get film."??What a childish insult. Get bent, dude.
jason le I disagree. Terrio and the editor have said that it was because they felt Rian left them with nowhere to go. Which is a bs cop out. But I think that had they not been in such a time crunch due to Iger’s schedule and the setback from Carrie’s death they could’ve had time to think of a creative way to follow it. They didn’t though.
@@Prof_Tickles92 agree 100%. Colin trevorrow's duel if the fates script kept rey a nobody. You should read it if you have not yet, it's a great continuation to this movie imho, unlike tros.
MovieDean123 you see the problem with fans on how they can affect stuff? Lucasfilms problem tho is wanting to cater to them so much it becomes pointless to call it a sequel. Believe it or not fans created episode 9 and even tho I enjoyed the living fuck outta that movie, I can still acknowledge how it didn’t take that much risks it needed and didn’t really step forward like DOTF did.
I loved TLJ when i went to see it, it got better the more I thought about it and re-watched it, picking up on aspects and themes i missed the first time. Now that I realise just how much rabid fanboys hated it....i think I love it even more.
@ROGAN DANIELS I'm a newer fan, I have only started liking star wars after the seventh movie. I basically am growing up with the sequels and can aknowledge that they are absolute shit. The only one that could be considered decent would be the seventh but jj basically copy pasted from a new hope. There are many problems with the sequels but one of the biggest is there is almost nothing new. Snokes ship was kinda cool but everything else was just copied and given a new coat of paint. Were as in the prequels we were introduced to many new vehicles like but not limited to, the at-te, naboo fighter, venator, arc 170, jedi fighter, aclamator assault ships, droid control ships, droid tri fighter. That's not even all of the vehicles in the movie let alone the the countless books. The prequels easley beat out the sequels in every area besides diolage. Don't even try to pick at the original trilogy because it had all of what the prequels did and good diolage.
@flisnoo shaboo It's not bold. You don't build up something and then say "It doesn't matter, and you're a fool for caring in the first place". I don't care who Snoke is, you can't just introduce a character and have no payoff.
They didnt build up anything. They literally just let you know that her parents left her. They never implied they were important fans did that themselves with their garbage fan theories
@@Jammin88812 The entire motivation for the main character was the search for her parents. The only foundation we have for Rey as a character is her desire to have parents. That makes it important. And by saying, oh there nobody and it doesnt matter, then it doesnt move the trilogy forward in any way. Now we are left with a random chick who wants to help the good guys and has the greatest force powers because she just does....? Thats what the Abrams had to work with for the final film.
@Calixto Lpz Again thats you misinterpreting. There are interviews with JJ Abrams and Daisy Ridley both saying that was never there intension. That being said I cant blame you because I felt the same whay. Especially because JJ is a bad writer (in my opinion) and is obsessed with his "mystery box" method of writing. And if you dont like how Rian Johnson addressed it then that is your opinion and its totally valid. But dont go blaming Johnson for Abram's horrible writing. TROS is bad on its own merit. Especially because its not like Abrams built off The Last Jedi. He just ret-coned everything and then chose from the hat of random dogshit reddit fan theories. The film is just a pandering fan service filled remake of Return of The Jedi. Just like The Force Awakens was too A New Hope (again Abrams) and somehow its Rian Johnsons fault?
@flisnoo shaboo lol JJ Abrams clearly hated this film so stop bitching bout fans forcing the filmmakers to do anything. they had no problem shitting on fans. there were so many retcons in the new film. JJ had an outline and Johnson threw it away and it messed up the entire story
I just love how he starts off by saying that if any of you were able to come up with a theory of rays parents then it's just too predictable and not good story writing and then he goes straight on to say that his own theory that happens to come is somehow good story writing. thus completely destroying the first point he was trying to make lol
You really shouldn’t cherry pick moments or people. We are not all so black and white or a caricature. You’re sarcastic tone and holier than thou way of speech doesn’t win people over, or help sell your points. Your points should “sell” themselves if they are really the correct way of thinking.
@Char Aznable There are *THOUSANDS* of Jedi in the Prequels, from not just different family lines but completely different species. Not everybody can be a Jedi, but a Jedi can come from anywhere. That's what the Force was, not this stupid participation medal bullshit.
Without talking about the pertinence of your arguments, the way you talk about people not agreeing with that you said is absolutely impolite and invalidate your argumentation.
Yes, some people did react very badly against this movie (especially when we look at how the asian actress was treated). But does that mean you should also begin to shout insults all around to prove something? In fact, as you defend the movie, you should not talk this badly to fans for 2 reasons: -1. The more you insult people who could come to like this movie, the more it will most likely push them to stay on their position as they'll think people liking this movie have only insults to defend their opinion as the movie is apparently impossible to defend otherwise. -2. The fans attack this movie as they think it destroy the universe of SW, which is debatable (I mean, say "The Force is female" is so amazingly strange to begin with). But you attack people for having a different opinion, which is NOT debatable (your opinion is not universal and they have right to not have the same). By doing that kind of "argumentation", you just point out how weak Disney defends this movie (mainly all the "only a few people don't like this movie because they are man-babies and because of russian bots, and everyone else apparently should like it"). I don't say you can't defend this movie, but you can't do it this way, as you will have a lot of people refusing your argumentation (some people defending this movie have way less dislikes than you actually do).
@@jaldhuar448 I attack people for having a different opinion? Wrong. I only go after people if they're being an asshole. If you can't see that then you're really missing something maj0r here.
@@leelustig Ha, okay. Then explain me the following groups of words you use on the first minute on your vid: -"Close, minded, whiny fanboys tears". -"Too attached to dog-shit theory". -"Too obsessed with dumber theories about who she was". + as a bonus: -"I am embarrassed to be a member of the human race". You're going to say every fan waiting for something "better" according to them (so, a lot of people as the film is actually more disputed than a lot of divise films [like, for exemple, every other SW film, even "Solo" which was seemingly boycotted]) which is not your theory is an asshole? The tone you use as well as the words you use to describe people tend to that conclusion. Again, I don't say you can't defend this movie, and yes, some people did trash talk about it, but you won't win anything by saying "I'm right and fan waiting for something else (pick your worse, I mean basically everything in this film was utterly bad according to some fans) or more (like the Knights of Ren or the return of the Republic) are not only wrong but also close minded, whiny, obsessed to dumb and dog-shit theories". The very fact you attack people not liking this movie when they attack the movie itself is wrong.
Not at all, many of the people on the other side have been worse than the epitome of toxic, and absolutely contemptible. He's absolutely right about his conclusions and how it made the story deeper. Which it needed.
@@vjbd2757 now you're puting words in my mouth making you look very manipulative. I didn't say that you need high IQ to understand TLJ. I just said that you didn't understand it. The reason for that is unknown to me. I just can come to that conclusion because I see that you criticize points that are explained in the movie and are very valid. So you either hate on it just for the sake of hating it, or you simply didn't understand it. Also I would like to point out that JJ left his movie open to many answers instead of just one. TFA doesn't show a particar path to which TLJ should've gone. That's why TLJ makes sense as a sequel unlike TROS.
Did you not watch the fucking video like Jesus Christ, you have the fucking brain of a dying slug that smokes crack. Learn how to process videos you irredeemable fuck.
I mean i’m not a full theory guy i was fine that Snoke and Ray were nobody’s but when you said”And boy it feels good.”for his prospective being confirmed I think if you were one of the theorists on Rey/Snoke I feel you would act the same way heck even if your theory didn’t get confirmed yo would be mad.
I do think that Snoke (Palpatine) put the dark force vision of Ben's destiny into Luke's head. And it worked just up to the point where Luke had second thoughts about it, but it was too late.
Even so, the fact that Kylo's response is to immediately go completely nuts and slaughter the entire Jedi temple then go on to become a despot oppressing the galaxy means Luke was right to be afraid. That's not the reaction of a good individual pushed too far, that's the reaction of a man who was already evil deciding "fuck it!"
@@timbrown1834 Yep. The Last Jedi had the chance to bring the idea of grey to the forefront by actually being in one of the trilogies instead of regulated to footnotes in the EU. Rise of Skywalker blew that among other things. One of the things I was desperately hoping Disney acquiring Star Wars would do was allowing for the lore to expand to be less black and white as a whole. The credit stealing hack known as George Lucas did everything he could to keep Star Wars a simplistic Black/White Good/Evil story despite the attempts of many writers to make Star Wars deeper than that.
@@immortalfrieza Man, I agree. I initally liked The Last Jedi because this 'grey tint' it had but eventually all of it feels apart. It has some ideas who could have been great to refresh the franchise but well. They screwed the opportunity of do something with it.
@@videocommenter235 Rise of Skywalker and nearly every wrong with that movie traces back to trying to act like The Last Jedi never happened and this was just another casualty of that.
Having finally watched The Last Jedi... I honestly wished Rian Johnson just directed the entire sequel trilogy. Because this was imho a lot better than The Force Awakens which to me was dull.
This is why people say sequel fans are not real fans. Force awakens is a copy-paste of ANH. If you think the movie that made Star Wars famous in the first place is worse than the last Jedi, you’re not a Star Wars fan. You’re a “Disney: Last Jedi” fan.
@@gardenerzh0ngbase173 Being a Star Wars fan means you’re a fan of Star Wars, just not Disney’s failed attempt at a recreation of Star Wars. Not sure how you came to your conclusion.
They are different kinds of “good times” though. In my eyes, TLJ is so entertaining because it is actually a great movie, while RoS feels more like a guilty pleasure in my eyes. A total mess with really ridiculously dumb stuff, but a fun time.
First off about the milk scene... no one complains that it doesn't make sense. They complain that it's completely unnecessary and doesn't add to the story in any way. Luke is human and humans take dumps right? So logically Luke takes dumps. Does that mean we need a scene of him taking a massive dump? Is that necessary? If we had gotten a scene like that would you be defending it saying something obvious like, "well guys we all take dumps don't we?"
Bobofett 72 Yes it does matter actually. And yes every scene does matter. Time is very important when it comes to the medium of film. Movies are very condensed forms of storytelling and if you have every seen behind scenes talk, especially about deleted scenes they talk about how important this is. Now about the milk scene. No it does not show how Luke has changed at all. The exact opposite. Did you not listen to this video? It's about showing how Luke still likes milk bc of how he was raised on a farm. My point is it shows nothing for the character or adds anything at all. We know he drinks, eats, craps, etc in order to live. Like I said if it had been a scene of him taking a dump would you still think it's fine? Not only that but if you see the behind the scenes you'll see just how expensive that scene was, especially to make that cow. Clearly a lot of money went into a scene that is so unimportant and useless. Terrible use of budget and screen time.
Bobofett 72 Alright dude. Bc apparently the only or best way to show that Luke is still Luke is by having him suck milk out of a space cow's teat and let spill and drool all over his beard. Yeah sounds about right.
Bobofett 72 No matter how crazy Luke gets, no matter what things Luke does, no matter if he attempts to murder his nephew while sleeps, no matter if he becomes a bitter old man who has given up on his family and the entire galaxy, no matter how different Luke is, we all know he is still Luke bc he still likes milk... ah yes.
+Movie Man Reviews You know what the real problem with this scene is for me? It's that some genius in editing decided that this scene should remain in the movie instead of the one where Luke mourns Han's death, an emotional and heartbreaking moment that shows that Luke actually cared for his best friend's passing. Go figure...
Bobofett 72 There is absolutely no exaggeration in my last comment. There was about the milk. Bc I said he sucked on the teat when he squirted in a cup first and then drank. Can you please state what part of my recent comment was an exaggeration? And no I'm sorry but Luke still liking milk is not an effective way of showing how the character is the same.
Guys the likes and dislikes are perfectly split on purpose because of all the imagery in the film Also I hope you didn't predict how it would end otherwise it would be bad unless THIS GUY predicts it in which case it's good
@DejaVoodooDoll what Personality flaws does rey have? What other force user in cannon has The ability to use the force at such a masterful level, with absolutely no training. Luke Overcoming his temptation to the dark side is what makes thus character all the less believable in this movie. His father LITERALLY killed planets, and he forgave him. He had a premonition about Kylo, and be snuck into his room to try and kill him in his sleep. Ok...but luke thought of killing hitler once so that means he'll kill an innocent boy in his sleep because he might be bad in the future.
You know the difference between Amazing Lucas, Mauler as apposed to Lee? Only 100 thousand subs and actual self awareness about how they look when making a video.
Also Lucas was more entertaining talking about this movie, while Mauler was more thorough. Lee tries to be both and ends up sounding like a well spoken version of mariotehplumber, and he quit that shtick long ago.
He acknowledges the issues. A fun mess you could say. This film is actually good. But the movie scares people because it’s different. People’s malleable mind after seeing the movie being milder from the videos they watched afterwards. Or people that had high expectations from 10 years after the prequels flopped. Or the the people theorising to the point that they get pissed off that they were wrong. All these reasons. A lot of the “issues” I hear about this film are because decisions that contrast there own after two years. Snoke, Luke, Rey’s parents. All common “complaints” that happen to be the high negatives of this film. Coincidence?
@@thefilmrookie3099 The movie doesn't "scare people because it's different," the movie is horribly written, thrashes lore and continuity, and messes negatively with old characters in significant ways, the sequels get hate for being terribly written, not "different."
I like The Last Jedi and a big fan of all the Star Wars movies. I like them all. I like the Solo movie too. I can't wait to see episode 9. Star Wars has always had plot twist.
You are one brave man! Love the video and loved TLJ. It was awesome to see something so fresh in Star Wars again. The only problem I had was I wanted more of Luke's green lightsaber lol can't win them all. Well done dude.
RyDog Carter this guy has shitty arguments to the max. And wtf are you talking about, the only SW movie that hasn’t been ‘’fresh’’ (asuming you mean original) at the point in which TLJ came out was TFA. And even this one copied alot of shit from movies like Empire and Return. And original doesnt mean good.
@@ikoandreas5085 then you really don't get the film at all. if you really don't like it that's fine but RyDog Carter liked the movie and thinks it's fresh (Which I agree with). We all have our opinions
@@ikoandreas5085 hey dude, so in my opinion the prequel trilogy already had the story points set in stone, they couldn't do a lot with it other than say how Anakin became Vader. TFA is a rehash of ANH with added layers so for me TLJ was something new and subverted expectation. Not everyone is going to like it, but that's fine. I like this guy and his content, if you don't that's cool.
"Boo hoo, the purple-haired lady hurts my feelings, boo hoo." There, we already know why people dislike the movie. Also - "Boo hoo, Snoke died and all my fan theories are now invalid, boo hoo, woe is me."
AlexeiVoronin Yup. Comments like yours is why this divide happened. It had nothing to do with women, or fan theories not coming true. Keep on assuming. You guys are the real reason Star Wars brand is fading
+Some Guy - "You guys are the real reason Star Wars brand is fading" Aaaah, so we are the ones thorowing tantrums and screaming "this movie ruined my life"? We are the ones tampering with ratings, so that the movie gets an artifically low score? We are the ones making petitions to strike TLJ from canon, even though it was Carrier Fisher's last role before she passed away? We are the ones who threaten, insult and belittle people whose opinion happens to be different than the rest of the herd's? Sorry for the blunt question but... are you retarded?
wow...and i thought you were actually better than all those of us that say you are not a fan for liking this movie. Good way of showing the mature other side. The defense of this movie is shit compared to the hate side. They don t even argue.....just throw shit.
Did you watch the same Star Wars movies I did (I'm talking about the originals, even the prequels)? Everyone has the force, some just have it stronger than others, and there is a genetic element to it. It's implied Han, who is an excellent pilot, is force sensitive. “The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.” Ergo, anyone can feel the force, some are just more force sensitive. Jedi have to spend years training in the force, even the most talented and powerful must be taught to learn the force, not just pick it up intuitively without the slightest notion of how it works. Honestly, as an author, I can point to all the faux pas of good story telling, character development mistakes this movie made. It seems that with all the technology available to directors today, we can do anything in a movie except tell a good story. You didn't know who was going to turn, seriously? The anticlimactic death of Snoke. It took three movies for us to see Vader's end, and we had a lot of build up, of his inner doubt, his mechanations to supplant the emperor. Snoke, powerful enough to connect Kylo and Rey, is stupid enough to put a lightsaber, ignition chamber pointing at him, with two force sensitive people in the room. One has to ask if Snoke is that stupid, how was he able to forge the First Order from the ashes of the Empire? This movie has more plot holes, many of which are big enough to pilot a star destroyer through, that it's painful to watch. And in true leftist SJW fashion, when Rose Tyler sees the abuses on Canto Bight, does she rescue the children? No, because animal rights are more important than human rights. We must never forget that. Let's rescue some race horses, which if you knew anything about how such animals would be treated (race horses are worth small fortunes in the real world) you'd know that anyone who abused and tortured an animal worth hundreds of thousands of dollars (credits) would be fired by the owner of said animal. But no, Rose rescues the beasts, leaving the children who are left behind, and presumably responsible for the animals, to face punishment for letting the animals escape. She's such a wonderful person, whose big heart and tiny little brain, nearly ends the new rebellion when she stops Fin from nobly sacrificing himself to take out the one weapon the first order had for breaching the the rebellion stronghold. The biggest mistake they made was cutting Lucas out of the process. He had a story treatment, and the problems with the prequels wasn't the story, it was how the story was developed. Disney threw away Lucas' treatment, and did a reboot, for all intents and purposes. The Force Awakens was basically Episode IV, A New Hope, but not as good. From there, it was all downhill. I have to admit, I'm impressed with how far you reach to justify how "good" this movie is. You'd make Reed Richards proud. I love how you imply that evil rich people profiting from the war is "new." It's been the cliche of movies for the last fifty years. If there's evil being done, it's being done by some vile rich corporation. Never mind that without exception, evil on a global scale is always done by governments. Always. Of course, as is typical, you don't counter the arguments of people who don't like the movie (many of which are valid), you attack our intelligence and mock the guy with audio problems, accusing him of not using a mic to record his audio. You do realize it's impossible to record audio without a microphone, right? He may have had his sound settings set to use the default mic on a laptop instead of a higher quality one (it happens), but the fact that he has audio indicates clearly that he IS using a mic. Who is calling whom stupid? Oh my gosh... your argument for why Benicio Del Toro's character waited to break out is the most convoluted, far reaching stretch of an excuse to justify one of the worst plot holes in cinematic history that I can't even begin to respond. How did he know someone with a high bounty would come along soon, how did he know they would be put in the cell next to his? Seriously? And you're mocking fan theories?!? Again, as an author, you have failed at your job if you have to come back after the story is told and explain what you were trying to do. That's not good story telling. Did Tolkien release a book after Lord of the Rings, titled, "What I really Meant." Did Stanley Kubrick release a documentary titled, "What You didn't Get about 2001, A Space Odyssey." No, because good story tellers, good directors don't have to. They manage to do it IN THE MOVIE!
It's even more relevant after Rise of Skywalker. It's basically a list of where Disney went wrong and showed all the more just how terrible and nonsensical the hate really was. It was Disney deciding to try to cater to the blind haters by ignoring, retconning, or even outright mocking The Last Jedi that resulted in Rise of Skywalker being as awful as it is. Nearly every problem that Rise of Skywalker had can be traced back to doing everything possible to pretend TLJ never happened. Had they followed what TLJ set up with the third movie, the Sequel Trilogy could have rivaled the Original Trilogy in quality overall.
@@immortalfrieza Nah, both movies are absolutely awful, just for different reasons. The sequel trilogy effectively is a playground fight between two of the least talented directors Hollywood has ever seen, and the only people who enjoy it are the popcorn inhaling simpletons who just cheer whenever flashes and explosions happen. And if the hate for TLJ really was "terrible and nonsensical", the defenders of TLJ would have been able to rebut the actual arguments made against this movie, instead of just saying "It's good" without any supporting arguments and then saying the "haters" need therapy over and over again. Like this clown does for 47 minutes.
@@frankvandorp2059 No, not at all. In fact, The Last Jedi is easily the best Star Wars movies since Empire Strikes Back. It's well acted, well plotted, effects are excellent, dialog is excellent... Really, there's not much of anything wrong with it. Rise of Skywalker is terrible as a direct result of doing everything possible to ignore, retcon, or mock The Last Jedi. They had the best possible setup they could have had delivered to them on a sliver platter by Rian Johnson and threw it away. All in order to appease a microscopically tiny but loud minority of blind haters who never would've been satisfied even if TLJ was the best movie in all of human history past, present, and future.
@@immortalfrieza "Really, there's not much of anything wrong with it." Yeah, sorry. I just can't believe anyone genuinely believes this, no one has standards this low. You must be joking. From Holdo acting like no human being would act just to drive the plot forward, to Luke's entire character being simply retconned, to the bafflingly awful throne room fight scene, to the whole bomber fiasco, to the whole Canto Bight nonsense that went nowhere, was built solely on contrivance and seems to serve only to make some childishly simplistic political statement along the lines of "Greed Bad!" No human being has fallen so low that they can watch this and convince themselves it's good. Instead, it's what Lee said in this very video: he just liked the movie because it was disliked by other people, people Lee didn't like. That's literally it. It's the mindless contrarianism by an overgrown child who thinks he looks smart if they just disagree with the Bad People on the Internet.
@Appy Ammer except they don't. The last jedi received rave critic reviews everywhere for its substance in particular (just take a look at the rotten tomatoes critic rating). Its the neckbeard morons that are lacking in in any taste for substance AND style
I hated it. But for most people like me there's of course no problem with others loving it. We're just amazed by those who don't see any flaws. We all love movies with flaws but if we praise them without realising it we'll just have crap movies for our beloved franchises
@@joeiorio9654 Ahahah, it's because I'm a space clown feeding on others bad tastes on movies I have big problems with plot points and pacing with the last jedi, and a lot of other things. But I also know we all have diiferent ways of appreciating a movie. Some will be focused on themes, or on the action, or whatever interest them. I'm the kind who pay a lot of attention to many things but that only has to concern me. And I have real shitty movies that I love for personal reasons so I can't judge anyone. TLJ is a bad movie for me but it's still far more competent than many other movies
How did that theme have anything to do with the rest of the movie? It’s like if in the middle of lord of the rings, frodo went on a side quest to save sweatshop workers. Critics of tlj aren’t idiots. Obviously child slavery is bad, but why the hell is it in a completely unrelated star wars movie?
@@leelustig You replied to a 2-month old comment. If you were unable to voice a valid logical argument in your own 47-min video, why do you think anyone would want a debate with you? No need for debate with you, the comment section on this video would suffice.
mate have you seen the prequels? No jedi there is part of some bloodline or anything, we just expect people to have to train to be able to use the force
luke and peter were written as the everyday man, that what make them their story relatable and make the fans see them self in those character, but with ray they make her OP and expect fan to relate to her that not how it work, also they overhype her origin and it didn't live up too the hype i mean won't you be disappointed.
@DejaVoodooDoll Luke from the OT? You mean the guy who insisted that his mass murderer of a father could be redeemed even though his teachers had written him off and claimed that the dark path would forever dominate one's destiny? The guy who willingly walked into a trap twice for the sake of his friends and family? The fellow who, despite having the people closest to him threatened and the incarnation of evil tempting him to give in, had the fortitude to reject the dark side and win the day through strength of conviction? Because that's the Luke Skywalker I, and many others I reckon, remember; a person with virtues and flaws that was a hero not because of fancy Force tricks or clever flying, but because when the time came for him to choose between right and easy, he made the difficult choice and prevailed (unlike Rey, who's only defined by her abilities). And that's the problem with his portrayal in TLJ. Despite knowing all that, we're expected to believe, without any context whatsoever, that an older and presumably wiser and more patient Luke's first instinctive reaction upon seeing a vague dark vision about Ben's possible future would be to kill the little upstart. Even worse, after the fact, he abandons his power and responsibilities, gives up on Ben, turns his back on his friends and family and abandons the galaxy to its fate, being essentially content to let evil prevail and the Jedi become extinct. The fallen hero angle could have worked with Luke, but the way it was executed reeks of lazy writing and only served to strip him of his hero status and give a dismal finale to one of cinema's most iconic heroes, hence the outraged reactions from fans.
@DejaVoodooDoll I could say the same about you. You seem to have created an interpretation that suits the out-of-character version of Luke in TLJ in an attempt to justify his portrayal in TLJ. First of all, the Force choke technique was also used by Ahsoka in the Clone Wars, while other Jedi like Obi-Wan and Mace Windu momentarily called upon the dark side in some occasions so I'm not too sure why you're so obsessed with Luke using the Force choke, especially since it was only used to incapacitate, not kill. Also, when he faced Vader at Cloud City, what other choice did Luke have apart from falling down and taking his chances? It was either that or allow himself to be captured by Vader. And he chose to risk his life in an attempt to redeem Vader because he was his father and he believed that he could be saved. You make it sound like Luke was some sort of suicidal maniac. Furthermore, Anakin's fall to the dark side was a gradual process that was the result of accumulated brushes with it until the decisive moment, not an instant affair. Luke being tempted by the dark side is plausible, yes. But not in the way it was portrayed in TLJ no matter how much you try to excuse it. The younger, still in his formative years Luke was facing a desperate situation where it seemed his friends were about to die, while Vader was goading him about turning his sister to the dark side. Despite that and briefly tapping into the dark side, he still had enough fortitude to pull back. And yet, we're expected to believe an older, more experienced and presumably more patient Luke would instinctively try to kill his own nephew because of some vague dark vision? My apologies, but that makes zero sense to me. There were other, more convincing ways they could have portrayed Luke reaching the state we found him in TLJ. For instance, let's imagine this hypothetical scenario where Luke had a wife and kid. Snoke, under the guise of an old, knowledgeable Force user, could have joined Luke's academy, subtly corrupting Ben and the future Knights of Ren. However, Luke's tendency to see the good before the bad could have left him blind to this, resulting in the destruction of his academy by Ben, Snoke and the Knights of Ren and the deaths of his family. Luke could have had his connection to the Force damaged during the ensuing fight with Snoke, barely managing to escape with his life. After having lost everything due to putting his faith in the wrong person and feeling like he couldn't affect coming events at all, it would have made sense to me that even Luke would feel such despair that he would exile himself and wait for death. So yes, for me, this portrayal of Luke will always be an affront to his character and I haven't seen anything so far that will change my mind from any source. I suspect he was portrayed that way because the filmmakers knew he would outshine all the other one-dimensional caricatures they've created if he were anywhere close to his original self, but that's just my own assumption. Have a good day.
I would say holding a weapon over someone even with a fleeting intent to kill is still attempted assault, at least in my country, but to each their own. And although I'm repeating myself here, it's been firmly established in the OT that Luke's defining traits are his capacity for hope and his care for his friends and family above all. That's no myth, but a fact. Within that context, it makes no sense for him to even reach the state of mind where he would even fleetingly consider killing his nephew in a situation where there was no immediate need for action. It's something that goes against his ethos and the Jedi Code. If it was somehow alluded that he had become more jaded and cynical over the years, it might have been somewhat acceptable, but the movie doesn't offer any such information. You say Luke didn't trust himself to fight because of his state of mind. So his solution was to essentially abandon those he cares about, let the Jedi, the only ones who can oppose dark side users, end without training new apprentices and let the galaxy crash and burn all around him, essentially letting evil triumph while blaming everything on the Jedi, even though his tirade against them is full of half-truths and downright lies? To do nothing while everyone suffers? Again, that doesn't fall in line with Luke pre-established character. Even if he didn't personally fight, he would have found some other way to contribute. Anakin's fall to the dark side is a more complex matter than what you present. Ever since Episode I, the council was apprehensive of him because of his fear and the uncertainty of his future. In Episode II, he performed his first true dark art by slaughtering the entire tribe of Sand People, while also giving in to his passion for Padme. In Episode III, he slaughtered the unarmed Dooku, only regretting the fact afterwards, was tormented by visions of Padme's death and sought the power to save her, which gave the opportunity for Sidious to manipulate him with Plagueis's tale, and attacked Mace Windu to defend Sidious, completing his fall. And that's not counting the instances during the Clone Wars where Anakin tapped into the dark side. I'm not sure what your point is about the eyes. Yes, they are a sign of dark side corruption, but Anakin still performed these actions out of his own volition, not because of some form of mind control or something.
@DejaVoodooDoll And where exactly is your proof that Anakin was being controlled when he performed all these acts? The fact is that Anakin willingly defended Sidious from Mace by cutting off his arm and willingly embraced the dark side out of a misguided attempt at saving his wife. And I'm not even going to bring the official novelization of Revenge of the Sith into this, which states that he remained Sidious's servant because there was nothing else left for him. Did he deserve redemption after performing all these atrocities as Vader? Possibly not, since a single act of salvation doesn't automatically negate twenty years of evil, but that's a different discussion. I don't recall asking for a Garu Stu version of Luke that is infallible and can blow up ships with a wave of his hand. He was pretty fallible in the OT after all. All I asked is for consistency with his established character from the OT, flaws and virtues, or a more convincing and believable portrayal of his fall from grace, something which this movie doesn't provide for me. You're the one who seems to be awfully aggressive for some reason. And I can readily admit that there is a chance I might be in the wrong here. That perhaps I'm blinded by nostalgia or that the subtleties of this movie went over my head. Can you however do the same? Consider that maybe, just maybe, this movie failed to do justice to Luke among all its other failings?
1:25 “She’s the granddaughter of Emperor Palpatine” sounds like some awful fan theory... then they made it true
Do it!
EPIC Bryce thank you for the spoilers fucking twat
@@noakberglund8150 I feel so bad for you
@@noakberglund8150 Dude, the entire plot of the movie got leaked in real time during production. You have to be trolling.
priest S'fox reckoning is horrible especially when it comes to the vision of a creator. Star Wars is a trash franchise and nobody should like it.
1:20 Rey is palpatine's grand daughter
Awful fan theory
Awful theory. Also horrible execution.
this video didn't aged well
No, it wasn't an awful fan theory. It was only an awful execution of it.
Also doesn't explain how she can use [insert whatever here] without training. None of the parent theories explained that. The Chosen One theory explained that, because she would have had Anakin's soul.
yup
18:46 "You get to look at women!"
This fuckin' guy... xD
Yeah what kind of argument is that. What the hell does looking at a woman have to do with any films quality?
Big K He must’ve not watched any porn.
@@bigkmoviesandgames Apparently, nobody understands fucking jokes anymore.
If this guy who narrated this video thinks holdo is hot by saying that, he is an elder-file if you know what I mean
Some of you guys are taking this way too seriously
"You get to look at women! Why are you complaining?!?" still gets me lmfao
🦏 🥛 cheers
The Last Jedi was okay I guess. When I saw it only two people walked out, then again it was showing on my flight to LA
Two thumbs up for that one...
I liked the movie. But your comment is still funny
Your comment is f*cking gold XD
You had me at the first half not gonna lie
I loved TLJ, but that is a funny quip kudos.
Half these arguments are gonna be retconned in Episode 9
How do you know that?
@@gavinmyatt5589 it's been confirmed that JJ will retcon some of the things ryan did. Thank God
@@nikolav9025 Where did you hear that?
@@nikolav9025 No. Rian Johnson said he wouldn't MIND his film being retconned it was never confirmed that that was going to happen. Also JJ said he won't so I'm sorry bro
You mean by the people that approved this script in the first place? LOL that's cute but JJ Abrams was one of the producers of The Last Jedi
12k likes and 12k dislikes.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
I hope they remember this comment
"he beat me by one second"
Tony Stark
Thanos?
Dread it, run from it, this comment is still posted.
Rían Johnson brought balance to the force.
“You get to look at women” 😂😂😂 never gets old
Something tells me the movies are the only place this guy gets to look at women.
@@dyslexicboogaloo lol facts
I'll toast that with 🦏🥛
@@sarvolfe6435 Indeed my bretheren 🦏🥛
@@dyslexicboogaloo
True
But have you ever seen a lady with violet hair and a violet turtleneck prom dress. I bet not.
Rey is nobody didnt age well did it
doom smrt
blame fans for it.
@@Bothandle70 Yeah you can fuck off with that "blame the fans".
It was clear that JJ intended rey to have a lineage or bloodline that was previously strong in the force, or a background somehow related to it. His heavy handed references to it in ep 7 makes that so. Abrams was just "giving into the fans" when he did make her a palp. He was course correcting the ruination of his set ups. I dont believe he intended it to be a palpatine blood line when he started this (considering palps was never supposed to be in it pre-disney suits meddling of IX) but there was a significance considering she had an entire fucking LSD force trip from merely touching a lightsaber.
@@Nasmr1 what are those references you're talking about? All I see in TFA is that you can continue that movie literally anyhow you wanted because everything is a fucking cliffhanger.
Also when she touched Anakins lightsaber, there was no significant meaning about her. That was a force touch into the past. Jedi Fallen Order explains it.
@Sanjays Section so her being a palpatine is ridiculous all along. Man I fucking hate that there can't be a person just born with so much power without that being inherited. Rian Johnson made a freakin masterpiece with TLJ, but sadly he didn't continue to make the last film and instead we got Rey being a Palpatine and all those contradictions to TLJ.
"You get to look at women"
Wtf I love The Last Jedi now!
I like how he even edited his comment 😂
>takes one joke made in a 47 minute video
tHiS gUy iS STupiD
@@jeremycurle6880 there's certainly a joke in this video but it's pretty persistent throughout the whole thing
@@bluethan806 the video is almost fifty minutes long, are you sure you watched all of it?
@@jeremycurle6880 i think he means that this entire video is a joke because, you know, this video is pretty dog-shit
"Rey is nobody...except she is a palpatine....mmmkay." - Mr. Mackey
This was not planned all along and honestly a terrible idea
I don't know how anyone can watch The Rise of Skywalker and think "wow The Last Jedi is the worst Star Wars movie". The Last Jedi is a master piece, finally some originality and intelligence from a Star Wars movie, and the fans hate it. Star Wars is sci-fi for dumb people.
@@Mastikator : I agree with you. Episode VIII is just awesome.
@@Mastikator they both suck. Star Wars 8 is just a mediocre movie and a bad Star Wars. I respect your opinion but intelligent movie? Why because they subvert expectation?
Really if you understand French i will consider you see "PJREVAT Star wars les derniers jedi"
it's the best analysis video ever on Star Wars 8 and why it's a bad movie.
It's good to take away the past, i get it from the movie and luke seeing the darkside of Kylo is not a bad thing but you can't except me to clear the past and give me nothing.
At the end of the movie i was telling myself where is the epic shit and politics is just dumb as hell.
Star wars 1,2 and 3 is more clever that those 3 horrible movies that disney gave us. And i agree with what you saying, Rise of the Skywalker is the worst trash i have ever see, fan service is not a good thing. Rogue One is the only Disney one i liked.
@@solaymanbelfaquih1800 Solo was a pretty decent heist movie. I preferred Solo over Rogue One. The characters in Rogue One are just too one dimensional
Random person: LOL im gonna say that rey's palpatine granddaughter... so hilarious!
*1year later*
Random person: WTF
It's exactly like when Nerrell called out the fact they'd pull a repeat of the Rogue One Vader hallway scene only with Luke Skywalker instead, and they literally did.
Maj0r Lee: "All fan theories would be shit if they came true, because they are the definition of predictable"
Also Maj0r Lee: "Isn't it great I predict that Rey's parents would be nobodies?"
Lol you completely missed the point
... are you sure you *watched* the video?
@@ilikepigeons6101 He was built up from TFA, nobody cares about theories they were just expecting interesting with him. As JJ left a question about Snoke origins, power and how he took control First Order and also the history of the first order which probably connected with Snoke. They expect this in TLJ then for him to throw away his character like that. Fair enough if you like film but people who do criticises have valid reasons.
TJ good point but the thing is, Snoke was never meant to be a major character, he's only their to set up Kylo's character arc. Plus, we know how the first order was set up, as they came from the empire itself, except not having enough control over the galaxy
@@ilikepigeons6101 But why make so many questions about him by JJ?It makes it seem he was major character.Thats not good answer just kill him off for another character without explaining (also I knew FO was from the empire but I want to know how it rise in unknown regions and how smoke became supreme leader). If they explained that and then kill him, I would be fine. I felt that ep 7 and ep 8 are quite disconnected as plot threats were reused(i.e Rey was told Maz that her parents won't come back for her and are nobodies in ep 7 so why was repeated in ep 8). People had Rey theories to explain her power level which hasn't been explained.
Ben Shapiro talks like someone who's being chased.
lol Like he's gotta pee really bad, but needs to finish his show first.
True he scored
I'd love to debate that fuckin' rat by defending the sequel trilogy. I used to like him but his ego and smugness have gone off the charts. His Last Jedi review goes so fuckin' extra it makes me question his ability to review a Star Wars movie without comparing it to his precious childhood memories of the originals. He said he liked Rogue One because it paid tribute to A New Hope and thinks the sequels are trash because Han, Luke and Leia aren't the badass trio he remembers. 🤦♂️ Yeah maybe because it isn't their story anymore. Does anybody want anything bold and new anymore?
Ben Shapiro is like that angry annoying edgelord kid in school that never grew up.
Jaxson Burke two problems, 1) you’re wanting to debate the most dominant debater of our time and 2) you’re wanting to defend the sequel trilogy. Both of those positions are untenable.
“You get to look at women! What are you complaining about?”
Actual dying 😂🤣😂🤣
people need to relize we arent look at woman we are looking at what thye have on them (THIS IS A JOKE IM NOT SEXIST PLEASE DONT CANCEL ME ON TWITTER)
@@ccmonty994 👏
It all just comes back down to this. We're all misogonists and Hystophobes cause we didn't like that rey was a mary sue.
mad hatter gamer ExAcTlY
Bayverse transformers described in a single sentence
I disagree with your take on the "Let the past die" theme. I actually think that's shown to be the wrong thing to do. Instead, it's shown that we can take things from the past, learn from it, and keep the past alive while still moving on from it.
The irony is great
Please go on EFAP with Mauler so you can elaborate further on your points, like you said you could towards the end of this video.
Un-broken and victorious But im still genuinely interested if he can hold a real argument
I ligitmately want to see this guy debate MauLer
Mauler would destroy this poor bastard. You're talking at least 40+ points in IQ difference. Mauler=125 , this moron equals 85.
Lee hadn't exactly been the nicest guy to MauLer on twitter, saying something along the lines of, "I had no reason to live until I made the T(hree)-Series TLJ critique." Not the exact context, but he did tweet something like that when MauLer initially hit 100K subs.
That being said, I can't wait for the day Maj0r Lee gets MauLed on EFAP.
Are we sure his not a troll?
2:10 " Man does it feel good to be right!"
ROS: Rey Palpatine
fucking hilarious joke
Also, it kind of feels hypocritical of him to say that people's speculation ruined their enjoyment on the film when he says he enjoyed the film because he was right. Emphasis on was.
@@thisiswilson Yeah and EP9 is exactly why fans writing the story is a fucking horrible idea lmao. Hope it was worth it.
@@BlueFury2577 Episode 8 and 9 have almost the exact same problems. Why is antagonizing fans who cared bout Snoke and Rey's parents better than pandering to those same fans? (It's not.) In fact, ridiculing fans for caring about your story "Your Snoke theory sucks" makes it actively more difficult for fans to enjoy the movie.
@@Debicus The next movie not following some fans' scheduling is not the same as de-railing all the interesting bits of a previous film and by extension the entire saga for some corporatised pandering.
I was so happy when it was revealed in Last Jedi that Rey was a nobody, and so depressing when in Rise of Skywalker they decided to trash that.
They didn't say her grandparents were nobodies did they?
Her parents were still nobodies according to kylo in TROS, but I get where your complaint is coming from.
@@intensellylit4100 Ugh, I hate that backpedalling bullshit. Saying Rey's parents were nobodies should mean that all of her family was. It should not need an overexplanation.
alright but i mean the sex scene where Finn and Poe fuck on the sands of Tatooine was pretty good actually
@@ilikepigeons6101 I don’t think being a clone of Palpatine means you are a nobody.
Why do people keep rehashing this idea that TLJ introduced the idea of not having to be a Skywalker to be a Jedi? That was never a stated thing in the movies. It just happened that Luke himself was the son of a Jedi, not that all Jedi were born to special family lines or anything. Did nobody see the prequels that had hundreds of Jedi who were not Skywalkers? In existing stories there are thousands of Jedi who were otherwise nobodies.
Yes! Someone finally said it, it bugs me every time someone points it out like it is a revolutionary new concept.
Nah I think Disney didn’t watch the prequels at that time
You should see this guy on EFAP if you haven't, that podcast was gold
Yeah they destroyed this video.
@@nekonomicon2983 That's why I'm here.
@@JustTard same
I'm just here to stare at all the womans lol
@Tribacious Tee All of his arguments are pure brain rape.
1:24 I love how the actual real twist from 9 pops up there.
It’s like poetry... it rhymes.”
“Completely ridiculous fan theories that would suck if they were real”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It ain’t even a good twist. It literally comes out of nowhere. Heck even daisy admitted that Disney really had no plan for the trilogy
@@samthong3305 Meanwhile, the twist that Darth Vader turned out to be Luke's father or that Luke and Leia were twin brother and sister was totally planned from the beginning and made total sense at the time before the prequels came along and explained it in the worst way possible.
@@isaacbeeby2528 the difference is, at least it was hinted at the start of the movie and it actually was a good twist. The prequels are pretty much anyone's opinion but i thought the explanation was pretty good, tho the movies aren't perfect. in the sequels they literally keep changing so much in terms of plot twists, characters and story tone that i really don't care.
Luke Skywalker wasnt a regular farmer. He was a moisture farmer. In A New Hope you didnt see a herd of nerfs on the Lars homestead, you saw moisture vaporators.
NERD 🤓
I’m not a farmer but I’ve milked goats 🤷🏽♂️
A moisture farmer on a planet with an agriculture based society. He wasn’t riding a bantha but he wasn’t running from dewbacks.
"Harvest season is when I need you the most." - Owen Larrs
@@ThrashMetallix even if they were farmers in that sense, planting and harvesting crops, they still don't own animals.
oof this video aged like milk
And after two years that milk is still fresh as hell because this video is great and the last Jedi is great although rise of Skywalker was trash I’ll give you that
I don't think you understand what I mean friend. Many of the comments in this video had little weight to begin with now with TRoS release so much is just incorrect or contradictory when looking at the whole story. That is why I said it aged like Milk. The milk is not fresh, far from it
But who cares right, "YOU GET TO LOOK AT WOMEN."
@@Tgagen2121 lol
@@crazydragonstudios7259 Hahaha you sequel apologists are on the wrong side of history 😂😂 talk about vindication. And the Mandalorian actually gave us the Luke we wanted. Oh... and it seems Lucasfilm and all the actors/actresses want nothing to do with the sequels lmfao just like this video, your opinions aren’t worth shit
@@KJ-in4gz Somebody’s mad did you forget to have your bottle this morning you big baby
13k 13k dislikes and likes 🤔
Star Wars 1313
I hope everyone here has watched Mauler’s response to this filth
I don't actually know what video he does that in. I suppose you do, though, so if you wouldn't mind pointing me in the direction of this response, that would be great.
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Thanks pal.
Thanks. You Last Jedi haters are entitled pieces of shit.
Crammit Not sure how the word entitled applies but thank you, I’ve been called worse
Thank you for making this video, all your points are brilliant
Your channel made me feel a little less alone in this world.
Edit: thank you for the likes. Have a good day/night, wherever and whoever you are.
You and me both bro
@Sidney J. Duffy nope
Same here bro
The angry Geordie in the car is hilarious. I remember the pile up on the A1 two years ago.
Likes and dislikes almost in balance, The Force is strong in this video.
Little more dislikes. Just like the RT score... 44%
Indeed young padwan 🙏🏻
16K Likes & 18K Dislikes. Sure, sure.
General Shadow it’s slightly more equal now. 17k-18k.
The like side of the force is filled with 💩
"If they had gone with any of the dumb theories about Rey's parents it would have been lame and predictable"
"Back in 2016 I said it would be cool if they made it so Rey parents were nobody, but that isnt lame or predictable because its MY theory"
Yeah, the point was that my theory was the only one that wasn't dumb. You know how I know that? Because it was right.
@@leelustig just because you predicted a dumb theory doesn't make that dumb theory any less dumb.
Also, being able to predict an intelligent or rational theory doesn't cause it to become dumb.
So no, when it comes to a theory being dumb you got those backwards.
@The Commenter Calling intelligent theories dumb doesn't make them less intelligent, it actually makes you less intelligent.
As you know, every single one of those theories were infinitely superior than what RJ did. Even if they had been as actual dogshit as what RJ put the movie, that wouldn't have made RJs garbage any less trash.
You're a liar.
@@leelustig .....and with that, you admit this a troll video.
Damn it. I was all excited at making a big response video.
Maj0r Lee You seem narcissistic as fuck
Love how The Rise of Skywalker made this analysis essentially irrelevant 😂
Great vid! I still dont know how I feel about 8....
12k likes
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Episode IX title Balance of the Force confirmed
Would you say it's perfectly balanced, as all things should be?
Ep 9 the rise of an angry fanbase
Sry no it’s The Rise of Skywalker
This video is actually dumber then the movie and is probably a troll, if so cudos. The new one went back on everything and still couldn't fix the fire this movie caused. The movie was subverting our expectations, we thought the movie would be good.
TROS wasn’t a retcon though.
@@Prof_Tickles92 no it was a bandage on a sinking ship
James Daly in what way
@@Prof_Tickles92 ok for starts, Disney used alot of legend material, they brought palp back, they used not 1 but 3 mcguffins, they wrote rose out including incomplete character arcs, they didn't use the knights of Ren well after building them up, they literally had a cavalry charge in a space battle. It's all either dumb or backtracking
@@Prof_Tickles92 all you need to do is check the actors reaction to the ending, especially mark Hamill's various warnings to the fans since the last Jedi. That speaks more than my fanboy disappointment would
Took me 6 years to find this video, but it was worth the wait. Thanks man.
Why do so many people hate the movie!
Hugh Adams
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Hugh Adams Because the social politics, bad writing, terrible jokes and pointless scenes. And by the way before you think I'm a toxic fanboy I liked the movie but still saw its flaws.
Cuz this one and the last one don’t connect with all the secrets and shit whatsoever. All those things they wanted you to keep guessing about in the force awakens and then for literally all of it to be just nothing...you can tell they were made by two different ppl.
Because it’s a terrible movie
Hugh Adams Because they don't critisise it neutral or fair.They just don't got this to see what the expectations wanted and then they're pissed off.The laguage shows already what this people are.JERKS!
Coming from Mauler's EFAP livestream about this video, I must say that I agree 100% with their position on this video, that is all, have a nice day.
Most of your points are just "I liked it and it's new so it's good!"
All anyone can really say is their preferences. Subjective eh.
@@houseoftoussaint9609 there are objecitve flaws in the last Jedi
@@FinalBossWTMN
That’s a matter of perspective rather than objective truth as you’re suggesting.
@@houseoftoussaint9609 No. The throne room fight, for example, is full of awful choreography, missed ques, and mistakes. One guard attacking Kylo, while the other twirls his weapon uselessly in the background, waiting his turn until Kylo is ready to block him, is an objective mistake. Not opinion. Guards missing their swings on purpose, Rey hits one guard and 2 others go flying with him for no reason, guards literally standing still waiting to be stabbed, etc, all mistakes, period.
There are a million things like that, including plot issues that are objectively wrong.
@@FinalBossWTMN
Yeah. Shit happens.
On the flip side, you gave me loving the idea of lightsabers from opposing sides (red and blue in fact) fighting side by side.
We even got to see a little bit of form Zero.
I liked it. Am I not supposed to?
Am I supposed to agree with you and many others?
Surely not.
The idea that people would have been happier if Snoke had been Jar-Jar Binks or Mace Windu is just... wha... why?
They're probably being sarcastic, point being that Snoke sucked lol
The Last Jedi was great, I liked the series so much more back when Rey had no crazy famous lineage and anyone could possibly have force powers. The Rise of Skywalker ruined what was a fantastic concept.
No
The Last Jedi wasn’t a Star Wars movie
I dunno i feel like if anyone can have force powers it ruins the mystery and the specialty of a force user
M'Rey Sue
Anyone can be force sensitive, not every Jedi had Jedi parents, that’s well established in canon. What was not possible yet (except for Anakin who was literally the chosen one) is just some random being one of the most powerful force users ever, defeating Kylo Ren the first time she used a lightsaber.
“She’s a nobody” 😂 😂 😂
Share you laughing?
Maj0r Lee: beating the strawman to death
Anyone with braincells: Stop, Stop he's already dead
Wilhelm Løvseth you’ve got it back wards
@@joshuawillis602 The straw man is beating Maj0r Lee to death?
if y’all are so full of hate just go back to watching the majority of videos condescendingly saying that it isn’t a good movie.
@@patrickmaybe2197 We just want a good movie, and it frustrates us watching people like Lee bend over backwards trying to defend garbage while insulting the people who aren't.
@@axelvoss9653 at this point his arguments are so bad that the strawman might start fighting back
Maj0r Lee: I have made a compelling and well written video essay about a movie.
Commenters: No.
3:41 of course, that kid was just thrown away, never to be seen again. would have been pretty interesting to actually see him join the resistance or something, but no, thrown away just like Fins potential
The rise of skywalker really demoted Finn.
A… a kid? You expect a literal child to join the Resistance? …The fuck?
point is, it would've been interesting if they did something with that kid instead of just showing him and then never seeing him again.
@@pastaphilias sure, it might have been interesting, depending on what they did with him, but I think they used him exactly as much as they should have. He wasn’t a character, he was an idea, the utility of which was just to demonstrate not only that you don’t have to be special to be Force-sensitive, but also that Luke’s last stand against the First Order made him a legend and that his, and Rise and Finn’s actions are inspiring and giving hope to the galaxy
@@PatheticApathetic How Luke's fake "last stand" on the salt planet with secret Rebel base was what made him an immortal legend, and not destroying a Death Star and defeating the Emperor? Not to mention years of regular fight against the Empire between New Hope and Empire strikes back? I don't understand your statement.
I'm interested what you're review of The Rise of Skywalker will be.
He loved it obviously
@@NBA_Z0 how so?
Alonzo Lewis I loved it too!
@@omarsheriff51 I think 7 was nostalgic but unoriginal and 8 was brilliantly subversive and actually tried to do something different and unique. I didn't like 9 :(
It might be the worst franchise movie since Suicide Squad (David Ayers)
I left a like because it looked like u needed it.
The best video defending The Last Jedi. You deserve more views and likes.
Agreed
TLJ is a real movie, not perfect, but a movie nonetheless. RoSW is a long, shitty 80s TV show with updated fx.
@@mumkeymaan4600 Then you don't know anything about movies.
@Aru Gula Give one reason why other than Canto Bight, which took up all but 10 minutes. Even that was good, in trying to create a larger canvas for the plot as a whole. Why even bother doing a fantasy movie if you're limited to one storyline and a few settings like TRoS?
@Aru Gula I thought that was what you guys hated about it, it was too new, it trashed the lore etc. Saying that Rey wasn't anyone special, wasn't part of a great bloodline. If that's not new and daring in the SW universe I don't know what is. But of course TRoS had to go back on that interesting plot point and retreat into the absurd safety of her being descended from the emperor. What a load of absolute crap. You got what you wanted and it was total shite.
@Aru Gula So you must have hated TRoS even more if that's your measure of a good SW movie.
we need your take on episode 9 hahahahahaha
marscrasher He did and he loved it
@@oldschool3424 of course he did
Honestly l, episode 9 is because of angry fans. What a joke of a movie.
Even if you don't agree, you should appreciate that has his own opinion. 14,000 dislikes is ridiculous.
You should appreciate that people can have their own opinions about his opinion.
I agree with all of this, the movie was incredible, I thought so when I watched it in the theater, then I heard my friends and reviews online trashing it and stupidly agreed. *BUT I watched it again recently because I really wanted to* and realized it was amazing and everyone is stupid and doesn't know what they are talking about, you always have to think for yourself and trust your gut. This was a satisfying Star Wars movie, you get a lot of everything you need when watching a Star Wars film and more.
You’re an idiot. Read what you just wrote, “everyone is stupid and doesn’t know what they are talked about.” Then you go on to say “you always have to think for yourself.” People are entitled to there opinion. This film was trash and was a joke of a film.
@@MrTherule10 agreed
So true. The Last Jedi is so much better than the few haters realize.
Rose really helps Finn.
The amazing lucas is very wrong.
"haters" these days is applied to anyone someone dislikes, the best part about that strategy is you don't have to give any reasons why. Just simply stick to calling your opponent names constantly and feel good about your self that you did.
That way of thinking has spread like cancer to become the norm.
MadVulcan: I do not dislike “the amazing Lucas” I just do not agree with how much he hated The Last Jedi and do not feel he needs to swear so much trying proving his point. I have plenty of reason for why The Last Jedi is a good film.
"so much better"
so just minimally then? Thank you, I guess.
You are strong willed or nuts to have watched those videos enough to make this video. They are difficult watches.
I despise everything you said, tho I do appreciate someone who brings out their opinions so I’m neither disliking nor liking
I haven’t watched the sequels since I saw the focus group turd that is TRoS, until last night when I had the sudden urge of watching TLJ again. And I was mesmerized. Fully invested in every plot. It’s the best looking Star Wars film by far, along with ESB. It has themes, setups and payoffs, intrigue and huge setups for the final chapter. Rian Johnson took the mediocre and safe TFA, and course-corrected the saga back to art, not seen in Star Wars since ESB (or RotS). And then JJ ruined it all, for a long long time.
TLJ will be seen as a masterpiece in 20 years.
All I'm going to say is, thank you for not disabling comments. You have my respect for that at least
Yes but by the like/dislike ratio, he sure is deleting anything against his point.
I find this video hard to take at face value. The movie has plenty of problems without needing to reach for the “butthurt manbabies who didn’t have their fantheory headcanons realized” card and pretending the rabid fanboy camp was the only camp criticizing the movie, and by implication said criticism was only rabid faboying, makes it look like you were more interested in attacking a straw man than addressing said criticism. I didn’t care if Rey was the child of someone famous or not, I just wanted it to be “not nothing”. Sure, “nothing” wasn’t something we expected, but that’s because we didn’t think the writers would build up her parents to be such a major factor in her character and then throw it in the garbage. She doesn’t have to be Vader’s cousin’s daughter’s uncle’s former roommate in order to have her heritage contribute to the story in an engaging way. Smoke, too, turned out to be “nothing”.
I find it funny that you compare Luke’s decision not to kill Kylo to his choice regarding Vader because there’s another piece of his history I think you’re forgetting. Luke, more than anyone, should know the power of redemption - so why is he contemplating the murder of his nephew in the first place? Especially considering that his decision to brandish the lightsaber was wholly predicated on, what? “Feeling darkness within him” or getting some vision of the future, right? Had he forgotten the shit he got into the last time he took such visions and predictions too seriously? He staunchly refused to kill his father, an actual Sith Lord and embodiment of the Empire’s iron-fisted tyranny, even though not doing so might seal the Empire’s final victory, but then he’s seconds away from killing his teenage nephew - who as of yet has presumably done no wrong - in cold blood because of what *might* happen? This is the sort of thing people mean when they say TLJ was a betrayal of Luke’s character. In order to not be a horrible story choice this sort of thing needs a lot of background showing why Luke would make such a drastic 180 on what he stood for and, surprise, that sort of information is one of the new movies’ worst qualities.
I strongly dislike TLJ mostly because it was utterly boring and, by the time we got to the oh-so-intricately detailed world of Not-Hoth I couldn’t care less about what happened next and wanted it to be over. The movie took the mediocre start from TFA and added terrible characters, shoddy writing, a largely worthless waste of time on Planet Vegas, a monotonous setup for a chase scene, and the worst protagonist since Jake Lloyd.
@Call Me Coach I agree, I don't think there's much worth in bringing politics into filmmaking.
So, first off, you might want to have a chat with the people behind the making of TLJ who wrote off all criticism as being misogynistic, or all the critics who praised the movie for how progressive it was. I don't think it's any great stretch of the imagination to conclude that a fair amount of people complaining that this was a "trash SJW movie" stemmed from people telling us we're supposed to like it based on "SJW" values.
Second...I didn't mention politics in my post at all. As I wrote in it, the movie has loads of problems just as a film. Do you care about defending the movie or are you just around to prove my point?
this may not do much for you, but while Luke does ultimately believe in redemption, he's not perfect. again, he says to stop upholding the Jedi.
he went wild on Vader after he threatened Leia, cut off his hand, could have killed him, *almost went to the dark side.* being a Jedi doesn't mean being perfect, it means striving to do better despite your flaws.
again, Luke is imperfect and impulsive just like any of us. for him to see assumable horror within Ben's mind, it's not that far a leap to think he'd react seeing a new Darth Vader right there in his school. is it cool and heroic? hell no, it's rather unbecoming and unfortunate, and that's the point. one momentary flaw ruined his life. Jedi are not perfect.
@@RacingSnails64 Do you realize the kind of picture you're trying to paint of Luke? You're essentially saying that his immediate reaction when witnessing the *possible* anticipation of terrible things is *murder*. This despite having already faced and overcome the dark side and having been a Jedi Master for up to twenty years. You're saying he learned nothing from that encounter with Vader. You're saying he's so emotionally unstable that even after everything he's been through and everything he's learned his first impulse is to kill something that frightens him.
This is far from saying he's imperfect - you have to believe that he was about to do something he would never do willingly and shouldn't be doing at all given how he should have progressed over the time between films. It doesn't follow at all knowing what we do about his character in the OT and there's absolutely no explanation as to why he reached the point of near murder besides "he saw something scary". It's as if the film expects us to think that he's learned and gained nothing in the years between films at best and pretends that all his development didn't mean anything at worst.
He also didn't say "stop upholding the Jedi" until years after the "murder my nephew in cold blood" bullshit, so that's out.
@Tom Ffrench Maybe Ben gets tempted and corrupted by a Sith ghost or artifact? Maybe he starts on his Vader obsession because of some twisted view of past Jedi? Maybe Snoke gets in his head? Maybe he has a falling out with Luke over the way he's leading the new generation of Jedi? Maybe he has issues with the Republic refusing to confront the First Order and is corrupted after a confrontation with Snoke? Maybe "Luke does something wrong" doesn't automatically mean "let's murder my nephew in cold blood"?
Maybe there's a thousand different possibilities because creative writing is something that doesn't require butchering older characters in order to tell a new story?
@Tom Ffrench ...?
Maybe in your own head? Darths Bane, Sidious, Revan, and Malek as well as Kyp Durron would like a word with you - just to name a few off the top of my head.
Luke is a moisture farmer not a cow farmer
kinda love how aggressive this video is
I love how you spoke truth and got this much hate. You the man.
Well he didn’t cover anything because he doesn’t know why we since he enjoyed the film. People who loved it don’t recognize is flaws.
luke ginder not even true, I'll even admit the tone and music could have been way better. There's plenty on UA-cam on its flaws, not enough praise, where it is due.
@@_Abysswalker_ Maybe that's because there's not that much to praise? Sure, the acting was mostly great, a lot of work was put into the special effects, the cinematography was good and the music was alright (although I found it unmemorable compared to the OT and PT's scores). However, TLJ fails where it truly matters. The plot is a mess driven by contrivances. The tone is inconsistent. The new characters are one-dimensional and uninteresting to watch. The old characters have become inconsequential, while Luke's 180 degrees character shift isn't explored enough to make it believable and realistic. Several aspects of the lore are twisted and ignored, resulting in inconsistencies with past movies. The themes are ripped off straight from the older movies and aren't executed properly, making them ring hollow. And finally, the worst offense is that TLJ, much like TFA before it, makes the entire Original Trilogy meaningless by resetting the status quo. 30 years later, another Rebellion is on the run from another evil Empire, the Jedi are once again on the brink of extinction, and our old heroes have failed by apparently forgetting all the lessons they learned during the OT, making their journey there pointless.
You most likely don't see it that way. However, for those of us who do, can you understand why this movie was a colossal disappointment and why it's caused so many fans to lose interest in the future of Star Wars?
dvdryms You must be fun at parties 😂
Also what? You try to justify Luke drawing a lightsaber on Kylo because he was "following his Jedi training too closely" in regards to "detachment". Since when did Luke follow those teachings in the OT? He explicitly didn't follow them in Empire when he went off to save Leia and Han when Yoda told him to let go. He definitely didn't follow it when he let himself lose his cool when Vader threatened his sister. I mean Luke was only pretty much entirely driven to save Vader BECAUSE of his attachment to him. Yeah sounds like the same person who would try to murder his nephew in his sleep. Same Luke who gave himself to the Empire to save his father - one of the most evil entities in the galaxy.
And then your example for this is showing Obi-Wan trying to push Luke to kill Vader, as if to strengthen this as a Jedi teaching, but that very scene shows Luke saying "I can't kill my own father". Do you not see how that completely contradicts your point about it being in Luke's character to consider killing Kylo? Luke was NOT about that teaching. He was the very antithesis to it. That's what made him differ from Anakin. He didn't follow that BS, and when he had a moment of anger, he got over it instead of thinking he'd turned to the Dark Side. Luke embraced his attachments and didn't let the fact that he had feelings for them cloud his judgment.
Point is, yeah Obi-Wan tells Luke he has to kill Vader. But, c'mon. Darth Vader is the LORD OF THE SITH, responsible for murdering countless people (many Jedi masters) and essentially plunging the entire galaxy into darkness. Kylo Ren was just a student. Some kid whose biggest crime by that point was simply having possible doubts in Luke's teaching. There is a BIG difference between killing Kylo Ren and killing Darth Vader, and LUKE DOESN'T EVEN KILL VADER. So WHAT is your actual point here?
My point is that you don't get film. That's it.
A _very_ convincing and substantiated point, surely.
@@Shin_FTW this guy..... every comment i read of his..... im just speechless. You agree or say that you have nothing to argue against him and hes praises you. The second you show any sign of disagreement, no matter how civil you are, he insults you........
@@leelustig And what credentials do you possess which makes you "get film"? The guy makes a whole list of valid points that demonstrate his knowledge of the SW theme and you come back with "You don't get film."??What a childish insult. Get bent, dude.
@@leelustig 'Because I said so' is a great and articulate response... You win 🙈😂
I hate that they scratched off Rey nobody so much. Wtf lucasfilm
MovieDean123 It’s because people complained that she was a nobody.
jason le I disagree. Terrio and the editor have said that it was because they felt Rian left them with nowhere to go. Which is a bs cop out. But I think that had they not been in such a time crunch due to Iger’s schedule and the setback from Carrie’s death they could’ve had time to think of a creative way to follow it. They didn’t though.
@@Prof_Tickles92 agree 100%. Colin trevorrow's duel if the fates script kept rey a nobody. You should read it if you have not yet, it's a great continuation to this movie imho, unlike tros.
MovieDean123 you see the problem with fans on how they can affect stuff? Lucasfilms problem tho is wanting to cater to them so much it becomes pointless to call it a sequel. Believe it or not fans created episode 9 and even tho I enjoyed the living fuck outta that movie, I can still acknowledge how it didn’t take that much risks it needed and didn’t really step forward like DOTF did.
Appy Ammer it’s called an opinion. Some people like it and belittling people for liking it doesn’t make you bigger
"Man, who broke your heart?" 😂
Damn savage.
I loved TLJ when i went to see it, it got better the more I thought about it and re-watched it, picking up on aspects and themes i missed the first time. Now that I realise just how much rabid fanboys hated it....i think I love it even more.
So bc there are people who dont like the movie, you actualy like it better? What a mature opinion, lol.
Pathetic child....
Oh well your opinion. We don't care. (I'm talking to the og commenter)
This is why we don't consider you and people like you a true star wars fan
@ROGAN DANIELS I'm a newer fan, I have only started liking star wars after the seventh movie. I basically am growing up with the sequels and can aknowledge that they are absolute shit. The only one that could be considered decent would be the seventh but jj basically copy pasted from a new hope. There are many problems with the sequels but one of the biggest is there is almost nothing new. Snokes ship was kinda cool but everything else was just copied and given a new coat of paint. Were as in the prequels we were introduced to many new vehicles like but not limited to, the at-te, naboo fighter, venator, arc 170, jedi fighter, aclamator assault ships, droid control ships, droid tri fighter. That's not even all of the vehicles in the movie let alone the the countless books. The prequels easley beat out the sequels in every area besides diolage. Don't even try to pick at the original trilogy because it had all of what the prequels did and good diolage.
Hahahahah "Rey is nobody", Sorry she's a palpatine! THAT'S HORRIBLE.
@flisnoo shaboo It's not bold. You don't build up something and then say "It doesn't matter, and you're a fool for caring in the first place". I don't care who Snoke is, you can't just introduce a character and have no payoff.
They didnt build up anything. They literally just let you know that her parents left her. They never implied they were important fans did that themselves with their garbage fan theories
@@Jammin88812 The entire motivation for the main character was the search for her parents. The only foundation we have for Rey as a character is her desire to have parents. That makes it important. And by saying, oh there nobody and it doesnt matter, then it doesnt move the trilogy forward in any way. Now we are left with a random chick who wants to help the good guys and has the greatest force powers because she just does....? Thats what the Abrams had to work with for the final film.
@Calixto Lpz Again thats you misinterpreting. There are interviews with JJ Abrams and Daisy Ridley both saying that was never there intension. That being said I cant blame you because I felt the same whay. Especially because JJ is a bad writer (in my opinion) and is obsessed with his "mystery box" method of writing. And if you dont like how Rian Johnson addressed it then that is your opinion and its totally valid. But dont go blaming Johnson for Abram's horrible writing. TROS is bad on its own merit. Especially because its not like Abrams built off The Last Jedi. He just ret-coned everything and then chose from the hat of random dogshit reddit fan theories. The film is just a pandering fan service filled remake of Return of The Jedi. Just like The Force Awakens was too A New Hope (again Abrams) and somehow its Rian Johnsons fault?
@flisnoo shaboo lol JJ Abrams clearly hated this film so stop bitching bout fans forcing the filmmakers to do anything. they had no problem shitting on fans. there were so many retcons in the new film. JJ had an outline and Johnson threw it away and it messed up the entire story
"I like the new star wars movie" is the unpopular opinion...times have changed
"I like The Bill Cosby Show" is something you wont hear much now. Times change. Directors change. The new ones suck. deal with it.
@@dominictracy675 “I don’t like the films, I think they suck, that means no one should, deal with it” grow up dude
This is a trainwreck, I was gonna say it aged like milk, but it was already dogshit when it came out
I just love how he starts off by saying that if any of you were able to come up with a theory of rays parents then it's just too predictable and not good story writing and then he goes straight on to say that his own theory that happens to come is somehow good story writing. thus completely destroying the first point he was trying to make lol
Not really
he is saying his theory was good because it became true he put said it would been more meaningful for rey to be born from nothing
James Taylor you didn’t hear him correctly dumbass lmao
Well Tros kinda made fools of us all then didn’t it haha. The sequel trilogy is a dumpster fire and I hope it gets retconned one day
You really shouldn’t cherry pick moments or people. We are not all so black and white or a caricature. You’re sarcastic tone and holier than thou way of speech doesn’t win people over, or help sell your points. Your points should “sell” themselves if they are really the correct way of thinking.
Anakin was the son of a slave
Luke was a farm boy
Kint fisto ran a Dairy Queen
The whole anyone could be a Jedi thing well established
Un-broken and victorious congratulations
You didn’t get the joke
I figured the misspelling would’ve been a good clue but hey...
Good try
And Rey is a clone of nobody.
Un-broken and victorious “Lots of Jedi and Sith ruins their mysticism”
The Old Republic: *“Am I a joke to you?”*
@Char Aznable There are *THOUSANDS* of Jedi in the Prequels, from not just different family lines but completely different species.
Not everybody can be a Jedi, but a Jedi can come from anywhere. That's what the Force was, not this stupid participation medal bullshit.
DUDEEEE I FUCKING LOVE YOU!!! TLJ is my favorite EVER! Thank you for this video! Wish I could like this 10,000 times.
This video is really bad. You basically just assert things and that makes them true.
Without talking about the pertinence of your arguments, the way you talk about people not agreeing with that you said is absolutely impolite and invalidate your argumentation.
Absolutely impolite? Yeah but nothing they said was impolite, AT ALL.
Yes, some people did react very badly against this movie (especially when we look at how the asian actress was treated). But does that mean you should also begin to shout insults all around to prove something? In fact, as you defend the movie, you should not talk this badly to fans for 2 reasons:
-1. The more you insult people who could come to like this movie, the more it will most likely push them to stay on their position as they'll think people liking this movie have only insults to defend their opinion as the movie is apparently impossible to defend otherwise.
-2. The fans attack this movie as they think it destroy the universe of SW, which is debatable (I mean, say "The Force is female" is so amazingly strange to begin with). But you attack people for having a different opinion, which is NOT debatable (your opinion is not universal and they have right to not have the same). By doing that kind of "argumentation", you just point out how weak Disney defends this movie (mainly all the "only a few people don't like this movie because they are man-babies and because of russian bots, and everyone else apparently should like it").
I don't say you can't defend this movie, but you can't do it this way, as you will have a lot of people refusing your argumentation (some people defending this movie have way less dislikes than you actually do).
@@jaldhuar448 I attack people for having a different opinion? Wrong. I only go after people if they're being an asshole. If you can't see that then you're really missing something maj0r here.
@@leelustig Ha, okay. Then explain me the following groups of words you use on the first minute on your vid:
-"Close, minded, whiny fanboys tears".
-"Too attached to dog-shit theory".
-"Too obsessed with dumber theories about who she was".
+ as a bonus:
-"I am embarrassed to be a member of the human race".
You're going to say every fan waiting for something "better" according to them (so, a lot of people as the film is actually more disputed than a lot of divise films [like, for exemple, every other SW film, even "Solo" which was seemingly boycotted]) which is not your theory is an asshole? The tone you use as well as the words you use to describe people tend to that conclusion. Again, I don't say you can't defend this movie, and yes, some people did trash talk about it, but you won't win anything by saying "I'm right and fan waiting for something else (pick your worse, I mean basically everything in this film was utterly bad according to some fans) or more (like the Knights of Ren or the return of the Republic) are not only wrong but also close minded, whiny, obsessed to dumb and dog-shit theories". The very fact you attack people not liking this movie when they attack the movie itself is wrong.
Not at all, many of the people on the other side have been worse than the epitome of toxic, and absolutely contemptible. He's absolutely right about his conclusions and how it made the story deeper. Which it needed.
I guess people just don't like change....
Depends on how well executed the changes are.
@@Dnzjsjdk TLJ has masterful storytelling.
@@vjbd2757 yes it does :)
@@vjbd2757 everything you just wrote is wrong. You didn't understand it. Simple as that.
@@vjbd2757 now you're puting words in my mouth making you look very manipulative. I didn't say that you need high IQ to understand TLJ. I just said that you didn't understand it. The reason for that is unknown to me. I just can come to that conclusion because I see that you criticize points that are explained in the movie and are very valid. So you either hate on it just for the sake of hating it, or you simply didn't understand it.
Also I would like to point out that JJ left his movie open to many answers instead of just one. TFA doesn't show a particar path to which TLJ should've gone. That's why TLJ makes sense as a sequel unlike TROS.
The entire video can be summed up with this quote
"The film just feels good to look at"
Did you not watch the fucking video like Jesus Christ, you have the fucking brain of a dying slug that smokes crack. Learn how to process videos you irredeemable fuck.
@@dbdperson9595 you're gonna need bigger bait.
@@dbdperson9595 That's called a strawman aka a device used by idiots.
I mean i’m not a full theory guy i was fine that Snoke and Ray were nobody’s but when you said”And boy it feels good.”for his prospective being confirmed I think if you were one of the theorists on Rey/Snoke I feel you would act the same way heck even if your theory didn’t get confirmed yo would be mad.
He basically does this throughout the entire video and so many people just gloss over it it's infuriating
Yeah....
I don’t think he would be mad if his theory wasn’t confirmed. But I see what you mean
@@bluethan806 hes treating last jedi haters as last jedi haters treat people who enjoyed it and what a surprise you guys dont like that
Thought this guy was trolling until i saw the comments and it not being uploaded April 1st.
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE WHOAH THERE! That was one helluva joke, there. Can you write for me?
@@leelustig whoooosh
That thumbnail is as edgy as it gets.
I do think that Snoke (Palpatine) put the dark force vision of Ben's destiny into Luke's head. And it worked just up to the point where Luke had second thoughts about it, but it was too late.
Even so, the fact that Kylo's response is to immediately go completely nuts and slaughter the entire Jedi temple then go on to become a despot oppressing the galaxy means Luke was right to be afraid. That's not the reaction of a good individual pushed too far, that's the reaction of a man who was already evil deciding "fuck it!"
@@immortalfrieza yeah, so many things in Star Wars are so black or white. It makes it easier for lazy writers.
@@timbrown1834 Yep. The Last Jedi had the chance to bring the idea of grey to the forefront by actually being in one of the trilogies instead of regulated to footnotes in the EU. Rise of Skywalker blew that among other things.
One of the things I was desperately hoping Disney acquiring Star Wars would do was allowing for the lore to expand to be less black and white as a whole. The credit stealing hack known as George Lucas did everything he could to keep Star Wars a simplistic Black/White Good/Evil story despite the attempts of many writers to make Star Wars deeper than that.
@@immortalfrieza Man, I agree. I initally liked The Last Jedi because this 'grey tint' it had but eventually all of it feels apart. It has some ideas who could have been great to refresh the franchise but well. They screwed the opportunity of do something with it.
@@videocommenter235 Rise of Skywalker and nearly every wrong with that movie traces back to trying to act like The Last Jedi never happened and this was just another casualty of that.
Having finally watched The Last Jedi...
I honestly wished Rian Johnson just directed the entire sequel trilogy.
Because this was imho a lot better than The Force Awakens which to me was dull.
This is why people say sequel fans are not real fans. Force awakens is a copy-paste of ANH. If you think the movie that made Star Wars famous in the first place is worse than the last Jedi, you’re not a Star Wars fan. You’re a “Disney: Last Jedi” fan.
@@Camo_Live Good, being a star wars fan is cringe. Just a bunch of spoiled Consoooomers who base their whole identities off being sold products.
@@gardenerzh0ngbase173 Being a Star Wars fan means you’re a fan of Star Wars, just not Disney’s failed attempt at a recreation of Star Wars.
Not sure how you came to your conclusion.
Two directors with two different visions isn't going to end well for anyone
I loved The Last Jedi and I loved The Rise of Skywalker, because I'm not a miserable fuck who doesn't know how to have a good time.
agreed
Your opinion doesn't matter because "not being a miserable fuck" is not an argument.
They are different kinds of “good times” though. In my eyes, TLJ is so entertaining because it is actually a great movie, while RoS feels more like a guilty pleasure in my eyes. A total mess with really ridiculously dumb stuff, but a fun time.
"I like TLJ and ROS because i am not a minerale fuck" toxic you are
This film needs something brand new? Ya starwars was never intentionally bad before. GJ Rian.
First off about the milk scene... no one complains that it doesn't make sense. They complain that it's completely unnecessary and doesn't add to the story in any way. Luke is human and humans take dumps right? So logically Luke takes dumps. Does that mean we need a scene of him taking a massive dump? Is that necessary? If we had gotten a scene like that would you be defending it saying something obvious like, "well guys we all take dumps don't we?"
Bobofett 72 Yes it does matter actually. And yes every scene does matter. Time is very important when it comes to the medium of film. Movies are very condensed forms of storytelling and if you have every seen behind scenes talk, especially about deleted scenes they talk about how important this is.
Now about the milk scene. No it does not show how Luke has changed at all. The exact opposite. Did you not listen to this video? It's about showing how Luke still likes milk bc of how he was raised on a farm. My point is it shows nothing for the character or adds anything at all. We know he drinks, eats, craps, etc in order to live. Like I said if it had been a scene of him taking a dump would you still think it's fine? Not only that but if you see the behind the scenes you'll see just how expensive that scene was, especially to make that cow. Clearly a lot of money went into a scene that is so unimportant and useless. Terrible use of budget and screen time.
Bobofett 72 Alright dude. Bc apparently the only or best way to show that Luke is still Luke is by having him suck milk out of a space cow's teat and let spill and drool all over his beard. Yeah sounds about right.
Bobofett 72 No matter how crazy Luke gets, no matter what things Luke does, no matter if he attempts to murder his nephew while sleeps, no matter if he becomes a bitter old man who has given up on his family and the entire galaxy, no matter how different Luke is, we all know he is still Luke bc he still likes milk... ah yes.
+Movie Man Reviews You know what the real problem with this scene is for me? It's that some genius in editing decided that this scene should remain in the movie instead of the one where Luke mourns Han's death, an emotional and heartbreaking moment that shows that Luke actually cared for his best friend's passing. Go figure...
Bobofett 72 There is absolutely no exaggeration in my last comment. There was about the milk. Bc I said he sucked on the teat when he squirted in a cup first and then drank. Can you please state what part of my recent comment was an exaggeration?
And no I'm sorry but Luke still liking milk is not an effective way of showing how the character is the same.
I wouldn't say everything in it was good. No movie is perfect.
Michael Hewitt-Clarke doesn’t mean it is. Some of the acting (that nerf herder scene is a representation of that)
Guys the likes and dislikes are perfectly split on purpose because of all the imagery in the film
Also I hope you didn't predict how it would end otherwise it would be bad unless THIS GUY predicts it in which case it's good
@Gazing Pete oh boy. You're a master debater aren't you?
@DejaVoodooDoll what Personality flaws does rey have? What other force user in cannon has The ability to use the force at such a masterful level, with absolutely no training.
Luke Overcoming his temptation to the dark side is what makes thus character all the less believable in this movie.
His father LITERALLY killed planets, and he forgave him.
He had a premonition about Kylo, and be snuck into his room to try and kill him in his sleep.
Ok...but luke thought of killing hitler once so that means he'll kill an innocent boy in his sleep because he might be bad in the future.
Please, I need a link to the video of the guy in his car, it's genuinely one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time.
You know the difference between Amazing Lucas, Mauler as apposed to Lee? Only 100 thousand subs and actual self awareness about how they look when making a video.
Also Lucas was more entertaining talking about this movie, while Mauler was more thorough. Lee tries to be both and ends up sounding like a well spoken version of mariotehplumber, and he quit that shtick long ago.
You clearly lack some self-awareness yourself if you're leaving douchey comments like this.
@@leelustig Takes one to know one.
@@noobsunrider5843 So you admit being douchey.
I bet this guy REALLY LOVES The rise of Skywalker 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He acknowledges the issues. A fun mess you could say. This film is actually good. But the movie scares people because it’s different. People’s malleable mind after seeing the movie being milder from the videos they watched afterwards. Or people that had high expectations from 10 years after the prequels flopped. Or the the people theorising to the point that they get pissed off that they were wrong. All these reasons.
A lot of the “issues” I hear about this film are because decisions that contrast there own after two years. Snoke, Luke, Rey’s parents. All common “complaints” that happen to be the high negatives of this film. Coincidence?
@@thefilmrookie3099 That’s one way to misrepresent an audience’s character in order to bypass legitimate criticism.
@@thefilmrookie3099 Both are shit.
The amount of women he gets to look at
@@thefilmrookie3099 The movie doesn't "scare people because it's different," the movie is horribly written, thrashes lore and continuity, and messes negatively with old characters in significant ways, the sequels get hate for being terribly written, not "different."
I like The Last Jedi and a big fan of all the Star Wars movies. I like them all. I like the Solo movie too. I can't wait to see episode 9. Star Wars has always had plot twist.
Shawn Wilson bad grammar but I agree
Finally someone who enjoys the sequel trilogy instead of complaining that it’s bad like all these other toxic Star Wars fans.
@@Zero_Zero_0_0 Yes, a mentally handicapped person liked a film
I agree too. Finally someone who doesn't say only the original trilogy is good although a lot of the movies are on the same level.
@@fa1ry_juice Really only the OT is good
You are one brave man! Love the video and loved TLJ. It was awesome to see something so fresh in Star Wars again. The only problem I had was I wanted more of Luke's green lightsaber lol can't win them all. Well done dude.
yea same I miss his green lightsaber XD. Last Jedi is so good Imo
RyDog Carter this guy has shitty arguments to the max. And wtf are you talking about, the only SW movie that hasn’t been ‘’fresh’’ (asuming you mean original) at the point in which TLJ came out was TFA. And even this one copied alot of shit from movies like Empire and Return. And original doesnt mean good.
@@ikoandreas5085 then you really don't get the film at all. if you really don't like it that's fine but RyDog Carter liked the movie and thinks it's fresh (Which I agree with). We all have our opinions
@@ikoandreas5085 hey dude, so in my opinion the prequel trilogy already had the story points set in stone, they couldn't do a lot with it other than say how Anakin became Vader. TFA is a rehash of ANH with added layers so for me TLJ was something new and subverted expectation. Not everyone is going to like it, but that's fine. I like this guy and his content, if you don't that's cool.
@@rydogcarter3547 ok you do you, have a nice day
Did you bother to ask people why they disliked the movie, or did you come up with those reasons yourself?
Exactly. This whole video is a giant straw man argument that never addresses many of fans' complaints about the film.
"Boo hoo, the purple-haired lady hurts my feelings, boo hoo."
There, we already know why people dislike the movie.
Also - "Boo hoo, Snoke died and all my fan theories are now invalid, boo hoo, woe is me."
AlexeiVoronin Yup. Comments like yours is why this divide happened. It had nothing to do with women, or fan theories not coming true. Keep on assuming. You guys are the real reason Star Wars brand is fading
+Some Guy - "You guys are the real reason Star Wars brand is fading"
Aaaah, so we are the ones thorowing tantrums and screaming "this movie ruined my life"?
We are the ones tampering with ratings, so that the movie gets an artifically low score?
We are the ones making petitions to strike TLJ from canon, even though it was Carrier Fisher's last role before she passed away?
We are the ones who threaten, insult and belittle people whose opinion happens to be different than the rest of the herd's?
Sorry for the blunt question but... are you retarded?
wow...and i thought you were actually better than all those of us that say you are not a fan for liking this movie. Good way of showing the mature other side. The defense of this movie is shit compared to the hate side. They don t even argue.....just throw shit.
Did you watch the same Star Wars movies I did (I'm talking about the originals, even the prequels)? Everyone has the force, some just have it stronger than others, and there is a genetic element to it. It's implied Han, who is an excellent pilot, is force sensitive. “The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.” Ergo, anyone can feel the force, some are just more force sensitive. Jedi have to spend years training in the force, even the most talented and powerful must be taught to learn the force, not just pick it up intuitively without the slightest notion of how it works. Honestly, as an author, I can point to all the faux pas of good story telling, character development mistakes this movie made. It seems that with all the technology available to directors today, we can do anything in a movie except tell a good story.
You didn't know who was going to turn, seriously? The anticlimactic death of Snoke. It took three movies for us to see Vader's end, and we had a lot of build up, of his inner doubt, his mechanations to supplant the emperor. Snoke, powerful enough to connect Kylo and Rey, is stupid enough to put a lightsaber, ignition chamber pointing at him, with two force sensitive people in the room. One has to ask if Snoke is that stupid, how was he able to forge the First Order from the ashes of the Empire?
This movie has more plot holes, many of which are big enough to pilot a star destroyer through, that it's painful to watch. And in true leftist SJW fashion, when Rose Tyler sees the abuses on Canto Bight, does she rescue the children? No, because animal rights are more important than human rights. We must never forget that. Let's rescue some race horses, which if you knew anything about how such animals would be treated (race horses are worth small fortunes in the real world) you'd know that anyone who abused and tortured an animal worth hundreds of thousands of dollars (credits) would be fired by the owner of said animal. But no, Rose rescues the beasts, leaving the children who are left behind, and presumably responsible for the animals, to face punishment for letting the animals escape. She's such a wonderful person, whose big heart and tiny little brain, nearly ends the new rebellion when she stops Fin from nobly sacrificing himself to take out the one weapon the first order had for breaching the the rebellion stronghold.
The biggest mistake they made was cutting Lucas out of the process. He had a story treatment, and the problems with the prequels wasn't the story, it was how the story was developed. Disney threw away Lucas' treatment, and did a reboot, for all intents and purposes. The Force Awakens was basically Episode IV, A New Hope, but not as good. From there, it was all downhill.
I have to admit, I'm impressed with how far you reach to justify how "good" this movie is. You'd make Reed Richards proud.
I love how you imply that evil rich people profiting from the war is "new." It's been the cliche of movies for the last fifty years. If there's evil being done, it's being done by some vile rich corporation. Never mind that without exception, evil on a global scale is always done by governments. Always.
Of course, as is typical, you don't counter the arguments of people who don't like the movie (many of which are valid), you attack our intelligence and mock the guy with audio problems, accusing him of not using a mic to record his audio. You do realize it's impossible to record audio without a microphone, right? He may have had his sound settings set to use the default mic on a laptop instead of a higher quality one (it happens), but the fact that he has audio indicates clearly that he IS using a mic. Who is calling whom stupid?
Oh my gosh... your argument for why Benicio Del Toro's character waited to break out is the most convoluted, far reaching stretch of an excuse to justify one of the worst plot holes in cinematic history that I can't even begin to respond. How did he know someone with a high bounty would come along soon, how did he know they would be put in the cell next to his? Seriously? And you're mocking fan theories?!?
Again, as an author, you have failed at your job if you have to come back after the story is told and explain what you were trying to do. That's not good story telling. Did Tolkien release a book after Lord of the Rings, titled, "What I really Meant." Did Stanley Kubrick release a documentary titled, "What You didn't Get about 2001, A Space Odyssey." No, because good story tellers, good directors don't have to. They manage to do it IN THE MOVIE!
When you say "the force has a genetic element" i give up of reading you text dude, come on.
@@chuuwars Never heard of auto correct? He might have typed all that on his phone.
I'm seeing comments saying this video aged poorly. But, personally, I find that it aged like fine wine.
@@UsernamesHandle Nah, I specifically said fine wine🍷
It's even more relevant after Rise of Skywalker. It's basically a list of where Disney went wrong and showed all the more just how terrible and nonsensical the hate really was. It was Disney deciding to try to cater to the blind haters by ignoring, retconning, or even outright mocking The Last Jedi that resulted in Rise of Skywalker being as awful as it is. Nearly every problem that Rise of Skywalker had can be traced back to doing everything possible to pretend TLJ never happened. Had they followed what TLJ set up with the third movie, the Sequel Trilogy could have rivaled the Original Trilogy in quality overall.
@@immortalfrieza Nah, both movies are absolutely awful, just for different reasons. The sequel trilogy effectively is a playground fight between two of the least talented directors Hollywood has ever seen, and the only people who enjoy it are the popcorn inhaling simpletons who just cheer whenever flashes and explosions happen.
And if the hate for TLJ really was "terrible and nonsensical", the defenders of TLJ would have been able to rebut the actual arguments made against this movie, instead of just saying "It's good" without any supporting arguments and then saying the "haters" need therapy over and over again. Like this clown does for 47 minutes.
@@frankvandorp2059 No, not at all. In fact, The Last Jedi is easily the best Star Wars movies since Empire Strikes Back. It's well acted, well plotted, effects are excellent, dialog is excellent... Really, there's not much of anything wrong with it.
Rise of Skywalker is terrible as a direct result of doing everything possible to ignore, retcon, or mock The Last Jedi. They had the best possible setup they could have had delivered to them on a sliver platter by Rian Johnson and threw it away. All in order to appease a microscopically tiny but loud minority of blind haters who never would've been satisfied even if TLJ was the best movie in all of human history past, present, and future.
@@immortalfrieza "Really, there's not much of anything wrong with it."
Yeah, sorry. I just can't believe anyone genuinely believes this, no one has standards this low. You must be joking. From Holdo acting like no human being would act just to drive the plot forward, to Luke's entire character being simply retconned, to the bafflingly awful throne room fight scene, to the whole bomber fiasco, to the whole Canto Bight nonsense that went nowhere, was built solely on contrivance and seems to serve only to make some childishly simplistic political statement along the lines of "Greed Bad!"
No human being has fallen so low that they can watch this and convince themselves it's good. Instead, it's what Lee said in this very video: he just liked the movie because it was disliked by other people, people Lee didn't like. That's literally it. It's the mindless contrarianism by an overgrown child who thinks he looks smart if they just disagree with the Bad People on the Internet.
I just want to say bless you for this video. Despite the downvotes by morons, this video was needed (probably more justified because those downvoted)
Although doubtful if they even watched. Expect no less from these knee jerk reactionary attention deficit neckbeards.
@Appy Ammer except they don't. The last jedi received rave critic reviews everywhere for its substance in particular (just take a look at the rotten tomatoes critic rating). Its the neckbeard morons that are lacking in in any taste for substance AND style
I loved The Last Jedi. It has its flaws but I still really liked it.
I hated it. But for most people like me there's of course no problem with others loving it. We're just amazed by those who don't see any flaws. We all love movies with flaws but if we praise them without realising it we'll just have crap movies for our beloved franchises
Dumbass kids
palaniuki
WHAT? A Star Wars fan who disagrees but respects someone else’s opinion? I’m dreaming
@@joeiorio9654 Ahahah, it's because I'm a space clown feeding on others bad tastes on movies
I have big problems with plot points and pacing with the last jedi, and a lot of other things. But I also know we all have diiferent ways of appreciating a movie. Some will be focused on themes, or on the action, or whatever interest them. I'm the kind who pay a lot of attention to many things but that only has to concern me. And I have real shitty movies that I love for personal reasons so I can't judge anyone. TLJ is a bad movie for me but it's still far more competent than many other movies
palaniuki
A Respectable film critic. Whaddaya know?!
RJ: “child slavery is bad”
The Internet: “damn vegans”
Rj: focused on letting horse go free while letting child slaves be child slaves.
RJ: Canto bight is a good idea
How did that theme have anything to do with the rest of the movie? It’s like if in the middle of lord of the rings, frodo went on a side quest to save sweatshop workers. Critics of tlj aren’t idiots. Obviously child slavery is bad, but why the hell is it in a completely unrelated star wars movie?
@@scott6259 Additionally Rose says child slavery is bad to a former child slave
RJ: Relating Rose's past plight to the fathiers.
Fanbabies: weh fur huggers weh
Who cares what you think about that movie. You can't even land a logical argument.
Alrighty then. Have me on your show and let's debate.
@@leelustig You replied to a 2-month old comment. If you were unable to voice a valid logical argument in your own 47-min video, why do you think anyone would want a debate with you?
No need for debate with you, the comment section on this video would suffice.
Spiderman: Anyone can wear the mask
Fans: Yayyyyy
Luke: Anyone can use the force
Fans: BOOOOOOO
HAHAH exactly!
Using the force is biological and must be trained unlike putting on a mask
mate have you seen the prequels? No jedi there is part of some bloodline or anything, we just expect people to have to train to be able to use the force
luke and peter were written as the everyday man, that what make them their story relatable and make the fans see them self in those character, but with ray they make her OP and expect fan to relate to her that not how it work, also they overhype her origin and it didn't live up too the hype i mean won't you be disappointed.
@@cjpearce1407 Spidey's powers are from his mask? Somebody fire Feige.
45 minutes of "I'm right because I'm so right that your wrong"
absolutely embarrassing for this guy. Watch EFAP they put him in his place.
DejaVoodooDoll shouting diversity isn’t an argument.
@DejaVoodooDoll Luke from the OT? You mean the guy who insisted that his mass murderer of a father could be redeemed even though his teachers had written him off and claimed that the dark path would forever dominate one's destiny? The guy who willingly walked into a trap twice for the sake of his friends and family? The fellow who, despite having the people closest to him threatened and the incarnation of evil tempting him to give in, had the fortitude to reject the dark side and win the day through strength of conviction? Because that's the Luke Skywalker I, and many others I reckon, remember; a person with virtues and flaws that was a hero not because of fancy Force tricks or clever flying, but because when the time came for him to choose between right and easy, he made the difficult choice and prevailed (unlike Rey, who's only defined by her abilities).
And that's the problem with his portrayal in TLJ. Despite knowing all that, we're expected to believe, without any context whatsoever, that an older and presumably wiser and more patient Luke's first instinctive reaction upon seeing a vague dark vision about Ben's possible future would be to kill the little upstart. Even worse, after the fact, he abandons his power and responsibilities, gives up on Ben, turns his back on his friends and family and abandons the galaxy to its fate, being essentially content to let evil prevail and the Jedi become extinct. The fallen hero angle could have worked with Luke, but the way it was executed reeks of lazy writing and only served to strip him of his hero status and give a dismal finale to one of cinema's most iconic heroes, hence the outraged reactions from fans.
@DejaVoodooDoll I could say the same about you. You seem to have created an interpretation that suits the out-of-character version of Luke in TLJ in an attempt to justify his portrayal in TLJ.
First of all, the Force choke technique was also used by Ahsoka in the Clone Wars, while other Jedi like Obi-Wan and Mace Windu momentarily called upon the dark side in some occasions so I'm not too sure why you're so obsessed with Luke using the Force choke, especially since it was only used to incapacitate, not kill.
Also, when he faced Vader at Cloud City, what other choice did Luke have apart from falling down and taking his chances? It was either that or allow himself to be captured by Vader. And he chose to risk his life in an attempt to redeem Vader because he was his father and he believed that he could be saved. You make it sound like Luke was some sort of suicidal maniac. Furthermore, Anakin's fall to the dark side was a gradual process that was the result of accumulated brushes with it until the decisive moment, not an instant affair.
Luke being tempted by the dark side is plausible, yes. But not in the way it was portrayed in TLJ no matter how much you try to excuse it. The younger, still in his formative years Luke was facing a desperate situation where it seemed his friends were about to die, while Vader was goading him about turning his sister to the dark side. Despite that and briefly tapping into the dark side, he still had enough fortitude to pull back. And yet, we're expected to believe an older, more experienced and presumably more patient Luke would instinctively try to kill his own nephew because of some vague dark vision? My apologies, but that makes zero sense to me. There were other, more convincing ways they could have portrayed Luke reaching the state we found him in TLJ. For instance, let's imagine this hypothetical scenario where Luke had a wife and kid. Snoke, under the guise of an old, knowledgeable Force user, could have joined Luke's academy, subtly corrupting Ben and the future Knights of Ren. However, Luke's tendency to see the good before the bad could have left him blind to this, resulting in the destruction of his academy by Ben, Snoke and the Knights of Ren and the deaths of his family. Luke could have had his connection to the Force damaged during the ensuing fight with Snoke, barely managing to escape with his life. After having lost everything due to putting his faith in the wrong person and feeling like he couldn't affect coming events at all, it would have made sense to me that even Luke would feel such despair that he would exile himself and wait for death.
So yes, for me, this portrayal of Luke will always be an affront to his character and I haven't seen anything so far that will change my mind from any source. I suspect he was portrayed that way because the filmmakers knew he would outshine all the other one-dimensional caricatures they've created if he were anywhere close to his original self, but that's just my own assumption. Have a good day.
I would say holding a weapon over someone even with a fleeting intent to kill is still attempted assault, at least in my country, but to each their own. And although I'm repeating myself here, it's been firmly established in the OT that Luke's defining traits are his capacity for hope and his care for his friends and family above all. That's no myth, but a fact. Within that context, it makes no sense for him to even reach the state of mind where he would even fleetingly consider killing his nephew in a situation where there was no immediate need for action. It's something that goes against his ethos and the Jedi Code. If it was somehow alluded that he had become more jaded and cynical over the years, it might have been somewhat acceptable, but the movie doesn't offer any such information.
You say Luke didn't trust himself to fight because of his state of mind. So his solution was to essentially abandon those he cares about, let the Jedi, the only ones who can oppose dark side users, end without training new apprentices and let the galaxy crash and burn all around him, essentially letting evil triumph while blaming everything on the Jedi, even though his tirade against them is full of half-truths and downright lies? To do nothing while everyone suffers? Again, that doesn't fall in line with Luke pre-established character. Even if he didn't personally fight, he would have found some other way to contribute.
Anakin's fall to the dark side is a more complex matter than what you present. Ever since Episode I, the council was apprehensive of him because of his fear and the uncertainty of his future. In Episode II, he performed his first true dark art by slaughtering the entire tribe of Sand People, while also giving in to his passion for Padme. In Episode III, he slaughtered the unarmed Dooku, only regretting the fact afterwards, was tormented by visions of Padme's death and sought the power to save her, which gave the opportunity for Sidious to manipulate him with Plagueis's tale, and attacked Mace Windu to defend Sidious, completing his fall. And that's not counting the instances during the Clone Wars where Anakin tapped into the dark side. I'm not sure what your point is about the eyes. Yes, they are a sign of dark side corruption, but Anakin still performed these actions out of his own volition, not because of some form of mind control or something.
@DejaVoodooDoll And where exactly is your proof that Anakin was being controlled when he performed all these acts? The fact is that Anakin willingly defended Sidious from Mace by cutting off his arm and willingly embraced the dark side out of a misguided attempt at saving his wife. And I'm not even going to bring the official novelization of Revenge of the Sith into this, which states that he remained Sidious's servant because there was nothing else left for him. Did he deserve redemption after performing all these atrocities as Vader? Possibly not, since a single act of salvation doesn't automatically negate twenty years of evil, but that's a different discussion.
I don't recall asking for a Garu Stu version of Luke that is infallible and can blow up ships with a wave of his hand. He was pretty fallible in the OT after all. All I asked is for consistency with his established character from the OT, flaws and virtues, or a more convincing and believable portrayal of his fall from grace, something which this movie doesn't provide for me. You're the one who seems to be awfully aggressive for some reason. And I can readily admit that there is a chance I might be in the wrong here. That perhaps I'm blinded by nostalgia or that the subtleties of this movie went over my head. Can you however do the same? Consider that maybe, just maybe, this movie failed to do justice to Luke among all its other failings?