Tragedy vs Evil
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- Опубліковано 29 бер 2013
- It is very useful from a psychological perspective to understand the distinction between tragedy (an inevitable consequence of limited being) and evil (the production of suffering for suffering's sake). Such knowledge can help reconcile people to life, and aid them in choosing the correct path as they move forward.
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Professor Jordan Peterson discusses the nature of evil, distinguishing it from tragedy, and presenting his ideas on how both the former and the latter might be most effectively dealt with.
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I was first drawn to Jordan Peterson because I was told he was the devil incarnate , far right wing extremist , I wanted to hear for myself what he stood for , ( Know your enemy type scenario ) , I now consider him one of the most inspirational , intelligent , freethinking intellectuals of our time , I wish he had been my Psychology lecturer
But he is our psychology lecturer after all brother, isn't he?
How can people slot or pocket this guy. Is brutal honesty a left or right thing neither IMO
o what do yo make of the people who accuse him of being ' far rigt'' or '' extreme'' ? Why do you think they make those utterly false and defamatory claims about him?
@@odin1313 Truth is the most dangerous thing to those who peddle lies.
@@EvilSanta482 No because people are stupid. Guns are more dangerous . They seem to have a disdain for AR-15s ...
I want to thank Cathy Newman for helping me to discover Jordan Peterson
@The Clownening she is not Cain.
In fact, If there is any "oppressive patriarchy" she's more a part of it than she thinks given that she succeeded tremendously within it.
Someone like Cathy is part of the dead and blind structure that Jordan talks about in his lectures. Yes, highly competent, yes deserving of her position.
But also blind to the actual scope of the forces she's playing with.
She spouted the ideology as a "mouthpiece" she didn't REALLY believe much of what she was saying because if she were to look at her own situation, she's actually a DIRECT contradiction to everything she was arguing for (gender pay gap etc...).
So she believes she's doing what's incumbent of her as a person in a position of power. Using her power to help those less fortunate.
But like JBP stated about sociological interventions (that's essentially what things like activism are) if you don't or can't devise an evaluation method to actually understand the effects of your supposed help and good intentions then chances are you're blindly making things worse while feeling good about the idea that you're doing good.
That sums up ppl like Cathy. They don't ACTUALLY know what's going on. They don't have their ear to the ground and in some sense they can't due to being part of the old, dead and blind structure.
If anything, she is such as Osiris. She undersetimates Set and will get cut to pieces.
so you’re saying Cathy gave birth to Jordan Peterson?
She's a real hero
@@basilmweramakokha9557 Applies perfectly to the family court with regard to parental alienation. Well said.
You're not alone pal
This man's work is like a drink of water after being lost in the desert for days. It is life changing. I can't get enough.
I feel the exact same.
I feel this information and view point... philosophy..
Feels like a long lost part of myself being rediscovered.
It bridges logical undeniable psychology with religion, God and life itself.
Well said!
His summation... I had to write this down to truly understand it:
"I said that tragedy is a precondition for being. Being is the interplay between the finite and the infinite, and in that interplay there is tragedy, and there's no way out of that.
Evil is something different: evil is the conscious attempt to make the conditions of existence more pathological then they have to be, and it's motivated by conscious intent. The motivations arise because people pay a terrible price for their self conscious awareness, and that awareness is their awareness of their vulnerability - and that is a terrible thing to be aware of.
That vulnerability can be forthrightly accepted, and the appropriate decisions made. Alternatively, people can retreat into their own rationalistic arrogance and attempt to deceive themselves and everyone else about the nature of their own existence and about the nature if reality. That pathway leads to nothing but destruction."
Tragedy vs evil
Don't mind me just leaving this to copy later.
...yeah, I wrote some lines + my own thoughts down too - the meaning of his words is just too much to unpack and to interiorize in only one session.
This man has already inspired and helped me in many ways.
#nothingbutlove
Thank you!
THANK YOU
Thanks for this
I was thinking about listening this while doing something else... forget it, this talk requires full concentration.
Same, had to stop, alt + tab and watch properly
Same. Not a background video..
High level Petersonian here --- Once you reach a certain level it is possible to multitask and listen to Dr. Peterson at the same time, but it's true there are some points that cannot be avoided at all.
Hello fellow David Smith.
the problem with peterson
When the student is ready, the master will appear.
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Yessss , so darn true!
John Doe I’m ready
@Matthew Pace OK
Matthew ,I hear ya.
@Matthew Pace Just don't be too preachy because most do not want to hear the message ,teach and do not preach.
This is literally one of the most indepth and thought provoking speeches I've ever heard. With no doubt, I think Jordan Peterson is going to go down in history as one of the greatest psychologists and modern thinkers of our generation.
shame he's a fascist monster!!!!! :'(
Don’t know if sarcastic, but you’re probably one of those who won’t turn up to his lectures, but would still stand outside and bang on the windows repeatedly. Making a great difference, lol.
@@sendnoodles5437 how? some context/ proof please ! Or is it just name calling as you can’t grasp what he is saying? I’m intrigued to hear your reply.
@@jricho2261He says there are fundamental differences between the sexes that should be embraced not equalized and that we need to take responsibility for our own microcosms before we can expect to change the world. It's disgusting.
@@sendnoodles5437 Oh no.. another left-wing ideologue.
This may be the single most insightful speech I’ve ever heard. As an atheist this was the closet thing I’ve had to a religious or spiritual experience.
Damn. Almost cried.
This guy is really on to something with the Cain and Abel story. I was blown away first time I heard him explain it better than any preacher I've heard.
Because most preachers read, Peterson thinks
Ik it’s 2 years late but he’s onto something about reality and religion as a whole. His biblical lectures are absolutely incredible and a must watch. I’d also recommend his books as well as Sapiens.
Most preachers are just hustling people for money. They don't understand, nor believe in the things they say. They play upon people's fear.
Nathan right? I have heard him say the story probably 150 times in different talks and every time it fascinates me. Might be the definition of human being.
Wisdom to meditate on.
I don't think I've ever heard a modern thinker that is more lucid and brilliant.
Joshua Stephen Ward pewdiepie
topnotch3232 hahahahahahahahahaha
Joshua Stephen Ward I agree.
I agree, 100%. Jordan, has effectively addressed common sense
Jordan Peterson is a member of the Intellectual Dark Web.
They are made up of individuals with a very diverse range of opinions.
Some of them are less smart than others, but if Jordan Peterson appears to be the smartest to you, then his friend Ben Shapiro is the other one in their group you should listen to.
Other members include Johnathan Haidt, Dave Ruben, Joe Rogan, Christina Hoff Sommers, Sam Harris, and the Weinstein brothers.
It's mesmerising to see somebody vocally articulating their thoughts so well, such that it looks as though they're reading from a precisely constructed book.
Took him a lot of practice to get to that level of articulate as he's disclosed before
Been listening to him for 6 months... hundreds of hours...
He's undoubtedly the best on the internet...love and respect from Karachi Pakistan
Lmaome too, it seems after I wrote my psychology essay his speeches have infiltrated my UA-cam
I think India-Pakistan issues can be seen as manifestation of resentment between two communities. The resentment is reinforced by unchangeable religious dogma.
Yes and it makes you wonder about those giving him a thumbs down!
And people call this guy a nazi.
Because he's forcing them to confront their vulnerabilities.
Because he's forcing them to confront their vulnerabilities.
They’ve called so many people nazis over the years that they’ve completely watered down its meaning. You haven’t lived if you haven’t been called a Nazi, racist, misogynistic, homophobic etc by some leftist on the internet
@@Ryan-ze9fz Yeah, the worst part is that calling someone a nazi these days means more like supporting Trump than wanting to kill and torture minorities. If cultural appropriation ever hurt someone this is the only time, and it's executed by the SJW's.
I'd say he understands more about Naziism then most
I literally laughed out loud when he ended the speech
*Nods head twice* "That's all I have to say about that."
Great speech prof Peterson.
42 minutes later ahha
Takes the waterboy exit after an hour long speech
Just like Forrest Gump for about 2 seconds. The other 42 is IQ was well in the 180 range
"I have children. They're teenagers now. I still like them." That made me laugh rather forcefully. What a fantastic moment of levity in the middle of an incredibly deep discussion. So deadpan too. I love this guy!
that almost gave me tears. I could feel the intensity of his love when he said that. it's in the way he says it
" What differentiates evil from tragedy is its lack of necessity and its volunteerism" I am speechless 😶 😶 😶 I hope this man is remembered for the rest of humanity.
Can you put this in other words a high school dropout would understand 😂plsss
@@BESTON-TV paraphrased: the difference between evil and tragedy is that evil is not inherent to human existence, and is only perpetrated willfully by conscious effort
Lmk if this actually helped lol
That's well emphasized for wisdom of our time there is just a discussion of placing a word or two amidst adding to the full understanding we epiphonize the wrongs by wicked selfish sins. Its basic dehumanizing into last person on earth to make "Adam and Eve" evil. The snake was the evil and Eve wanted to know why! Imo
I actually met and worked with someone whom attended classes that were conducted by Jordan. He shared that this time spent was the most interesting, inspiring, thought provoking and interesting portion of his entire academic experience. I mentioned the word conducted and not taught in the beginning. The reason I did this was in keeping with what was shared. He said that Jordan did not push or "teach" but rather conducted the classes with sharing of academic facts, proven scientific facts but most importantly....the students ability to listen to the information and have their own opinion and draw conclusions of their own. I now appreciate and understand his stance in refusing to have a government or anyone else dictate what pronouns he utilizes. This is someone who has taught others to think for themselves and have their own opinion for many years.
Hello Wow Do you know the difference between a woman and a lady? Ex; When a woman enters the room she will demand respect, when a lady enters the room she commands respect.
Yes! Agreed. Excellent.
@@MichaelDHockenberry heh, I prefer women who can't be bothered with all that and just walks in the room. Pretense is an obstruction of actuality which is where the productive person resides. A good example are politicians who's every action is expressly an action of pandering in an attempt to be positioned favorably for reelection rather than production. Enter governmental gridlock.
🙏
well said 👏👏
Wisdom just drips off of this man.
The Patriot Yup!
But the shirt clings on.
He is the most inspiring person i had the luck to listen to so far in my life, it makes me so glad.
+mogyesz9 who else do you listen too?
The thing that always strikes me about JP is the sheer amount of effort. He's agonizing over all of this. Absolutely grinding his way through all the madness that is life. He's slowly, carefully twisting order out of the fabric of chaos and it's taking every ounce of willpower to do so.
And when he hasn't worked through a point yet, he says so. "I think... I'm not sure... I'm still working on it, but maybe..."
That's why I feel so blessed to hear him speak. I'm witness to a fantastic process. He's doing something that I'm not capable of and then sharing all of his treasure with me.
He inspired me to go into the psychology field.. I start January the 15th on my third year of study. This man saved my life in so many ways. Thank you Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.
How are you going now?
This talk deserves 10x views than it has. I’ve listened to this 20 times, and every time something hits me differently than the time before. Absolutely brilliant.
"A single person who stops lying can bring down a tyranny." - Professor Peterson, you yourself may have done it!
Samizdat Broadcasts Did you watch the J. Peterson talks with Sam harris?
What is the tyranny? Capitalism? There is greater crime in societies that have a greater inequality of wealth.
Amen!
He was quoting Solzhenitsyn
He was quoting someone else.
Gosh, if I had lectures like this in college, I would have gone to every class with hopeful excitement!!
I just wanted to start from Jordans first posted videos as I've been watching so many youtubers just making use of short clips of him and watching a few of his recent interviews.
I can't believe how deeply buried this channel is. I've been watching shorts of him all over youtube for the past 3 weeks and coudn't get to his actual official channel until right now, not even by literally searching "Jordan Peterson" on youtube and on google.
It's dicember 2022, this video is 9 years old and its the absolute first video everyone should start with.
I never understood how much humanities BS courses they pushed down our throats at university while I was studying electronic engineering. This single 45 minute lecture is worth more than all those semester long courses combined.
That’s for sure! This video being that old should have many more views than it has. For people to even begin to understand themselves, who they really are in this flesh thing should listen to this and understand it. 👍🏻
His lectures on genesis are wonderful as well. There are plenty of his older videos that I haven’t watched yet. This one was fantastic. I just entered high school when this was recorded. Didn’t know of him until 2017 when he became controversial. It’s hard to understand his (sometimes) combative current style without hearing him speak like this. I don’t understand some of the fights he picks on Twitter, but generally agree with the need to push back on the insanity of modern discourse in media and in “higher” education.
Too funny I was an Electrical Engineer who minored in philosophy.
I’ve watched this for the 5th time. I’ve cried again. The depth of understanding and wisdom this man has is beyond anyone i know
What if said I came to the same realization of everything he expressed in my own experience & that @ first as he mentioned I was slightly arrogant & resented hearing from others of Jordan Peterson because it felt like a repeating echo I caused long ago but only now does everyone hear & ask did u hear that when I had ask the same thing earlier & I'm half his age & completely opposite to his level of recognition & contributions .though the whole we are the many ripples of the present finite in the ocean of the infinite & the reason many now know the same revelations we share with him are evidence of the ripples finally expanding forward into the transition to the infinite but as he mentioned the evil is also so one will reach first I hope enough awake to the truth we share .
I love how you can hear Jordans emotional level in his voice..he really sounds like he feels it..I love this guy!! He's simply amazing..xxxxxx
Think how long he had to labor to get this critical message out to the masses, and how easily we could have ended up without it. It makes me emotional, too, to think that the world might not have heard it had any one piece not fallen into place, and here he was a decade ago preaching it without ever knowing if he'd ever find a widespread audience or not.
This was before postmodernism turned his hair grey.
I am in advantage of the world being crucified to me, and I to the world way before postmodernism of any king, but I understand if his hair is the casualty of his bottles. Genuine boldness worth much sacrifice.
And clearly before his carnivore diet😂
@@fredrickmiller6534 : he didn't know that nights were given for rest 😂
Lmfaoooooo
@@fredrickmiller6534 meat eating is clearly good for his daughter but not for him...
The curious thing is, I can say I found out about Prof.Peterson because of my own professors' curious remarks - warning us against heeding to him. I lost respect for both of them who tried to impose their ideologically degraded warnings upon Peterson, but in return I got to know about him and his works. A pretty sweet deal, if you ask me.
Well that's awesome😀 good for you man👊
Like someone else said, Dr. Peterson teaches you to think deeply about the reality of things, while some others just teach you to believe and accept what they say.
@@TheSeeking2know like a lot of religious institutions. I wish more of them would take on this free thinking approach to studying religious texts
Peterson’s presence has grown significantly more refined and dignified over time; what an absolute inspiration! To have the willingness to venture into the unknown, derive a semblance of meaning from the symbolism and then to bring it into the context of the plethora of knowledge that he has acquired over time is what makes him on of the greats. He speaks with candor, gusto and intellectual humility. He’s put me on to Jung, Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky. He’s giving out real esoteric truths here, you just have to be open enough to listen.
His comments about the inherent vulnerability of existence and how adding layers of protection would make the object of his love (his son) inaccessible to him reminded me of a quote from C.S. Lewis:
“To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything and your heart will be wrung and possibly broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact you must give it to no one, not even an animal. Wrap it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries; avoid all entanglements. Lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket, safe, dark, motionless, airless, it will change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable. To love is to be vulnerable.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Four Loves
*you look like my son. My heart is dead, murdered, by the poisons of evil. I grew to abhor god itself. You would not want to know the plot on the souls of my children and their mother. You would not want to see god, in the plot, and in every evil. What a great evil god - Isaiah 45:7. Most people do not see how evil god itself is. Some do. Some see it. But most don't. They see the good side, and if they encounter the evil in god they say it is just. God uses satan to carry out evils. God uses lucifer to carry out evils. God scapegoats its creatures. In everything that is, god is doing all of it. All good, all evils, it is all god. Every bit of it.*
+wrath of the lamb
"ye cannot in your present state understand eternity...That is what mortals misunderstand. They say of some temporal suffering, "No future bliss can make up for it," not knowing that Heaven, once attained, will work backwards and turn even that agony into a glory. And of some sinful pleasure they say "Let me have but this and I'll take the consequences": little dreaming how damnation will spread back and back into their past and contaminate the pleasure of the sin. Both processes begin even before death. The good man's past begins to change so that his forgiven sins and remembered sorrows take on the quality of Heaven: the bad man's past already conforms to his badness and is filled only with dreariness. And that is why...the Blessed will say "We have never lived anywhere except in Heaven, : and the Lost, "We were always in Hell." And both will speak truly.” - C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce
I hope you'll believe me when I say...
I know what it is to despair.
Only 4 years ago my heart was mired in a poison of my own making.
I thought that God had determined my condemnation for sins that I had committed -- pornography, fornication, and pride, among others. I disdainfully demanded God, even aloud, how He could have let me slip so far to the point where I would curse my existence.
The only reason I could ask such things was because I didn't know Him. I was blinded by my pride and had stumbling over the law, having thought I understood grace and forgiveness. I didn't understand "the evangelion", "the gospel" -- the good news.
After what I thought was a final sin that sentenced me to condemnation, I (fitfully) slept and was graciously given a nightmare:
I was bound and tied and lying face down with a line of other death-row convicts in a pitch-black room. The executioner was making his way one-by-one down the line. He would bring a righteous and terrible sword of judgment down on the head of prisoners to me right. It came to be my turn and, knowing my own guilt, I was overwhelmed with dread. As the sword came down, a man stepped in front of the sword and was cut down. His blood fell on my chain, causing them to disintegrate. The jailer said that since the crime was paid for, I was free to go.
I woke up sweating bullets and I immediately understood that it was Jesus who had taken the punishment for me. I was given a second dream that night:
I was a goose being chased by a dragon-like toad-lizard, which I clearly identified as Satan. I tried to escape, but could not fly away. The beast caught up to the goose and swallowed it and it displayed a toothy grin of satisfaction. Immediately thereafter, it became sick and spit out an old car that looked like it been crushed in a compactor. Along with it though, flew out a dove, and I was with the dove.
Later, as I reflected on this, I realized that the dove was the Holy Spirit and that I had been sealed by Him and transformed to new life. "The old has passed away; behold, the new has come!" (2 Cor. 5:17)
With my story aside, here is my appeal to you:
My heart's desire and prayer to God for you is that you may be saved. (Romans 10:1)
"The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."
- 2 Peter 3:9
I think you've been fed a lie about who God is, which is why you slander Him. I hope you'll understand that God *is* goodness itself, and its only by a bending of His law inside your heart that you're able to call Him evil. In Him there is no evil, but the evils you have been subject to are of the world and of the present powers.
"I am writing these things to you so that your joy may be complete.
This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you,
that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all."
1 John 1:3-4
As for the evils that you've suffered from, I can't
“Shall we receive good from God, and not evil?”
Job 2:10
With what purpose does God permit evil?
In the very passage you cite, it provides an answer.
Continuing from Isaiah 45:7...
8 “Shower, O heavens, from above,
and let the clouds rain down righteousness;
let the earth open, that salvation and righteousness may bear fruit;
let the earth cause them both to sprout;
I the Lord have created it.
9 “Woe to him who strives with him who formed him,
a pot among earthen pots!
Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’
or ‘Your work has no handles’?
10 Woe to him who says to a father, ‘What are you begetting?’
or to a woman, ‘With what are you in labor?’”
...
And who is this speaking of?
And how is it that anyone is justified before God?
The passage you cited is messianic--
it points to Christ!
Continuing from verse 18...
“I am the Lord, and there is no other.
19 I did not speak in secret,
in a land of darkness;
I did not say to the offspring of Jacob,
‘Seek me in vain.’
I the Lord speak the truth;
I declare what is right.
“Assemble yourselves and come;
draw near together,
you survivors of the nations!
They have no knowledge
who carry about their wooden idols,
and keep on praying to a god
that cannot save.
21 Declare and present your case;
let them take counsel together!
Who told this long ago?
Who declared it of old?
Was it not I, the Lord?
And there is no other god besides me,
a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none besides me.
22 “Turn to me and be saved,
all the ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.
23 By myself I have sworn;
from my mouth has gone out in righteousness
a word that shall not return:
‘To me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall swear allegiance.’
24 “Only in the Lord, it shall be said of me,
are righteousness and strength;
to him shall come and be ashamed
all who were incensed against him.
25 In the Lord all the offspring of Israel
shall be justified and shall glory.”
Paul Explains Clearly
Please read it.
Romans 9 : God's Sovereign Choice
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+9&version=ESV
Romans 10: The Message of Salvation to All
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10&version=ESV
“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God,
‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’”
- C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce
*you're one of a bunch of doppelgangers I've encountered recently, all within a couple of days, who so look like and remind me of my beloved son. Over the years as I have experienced this phenomenon, he is presented to me, in the form of others, in one of two ways; holy or hellishly vulgar and tragic. In real life, my son is an extraordinarily good person. He need not make an effort, it is simply who he naturally, truly is.*
*my son has chosen to banish me from his life, some years ago. I was told, by his sisters, that he loves me but did not want to watch me suffer. During the years before he severed ties, I would often tell him, in great terror and horror, that I was being tortured about him, that his soul was in great danger. He was being used to torture me, and it was the torture of **_him_** that was torturing me. He was young, and not a member of faith despite his goodness. Then, a couple of years after he cut ties with me, the torture came about again and so I checked to see how he was doing and saw that he was suffering. It's almost four years later. We still do not talk.*
*do you know what a lamb is? Leviticus **4:32**. My family name, Annese, means pure, holy, lamb of god. My children were given my name, not the father's, and so they have their mother's maiden name. I endure my own sufferings as a lamb. During the years of tortures, which were many numerous tortures more than just the tortures about my son, some of the tortures involving him and about him were that of the St Andrew's cross. It is a hell scream of massive vulgarity and horror. Grossly sacrilegious and insane. You would presume correctly that my son's name is Andrew.*
*my son's birth and life are or were tragic in that his mother was a child when she conceived him. I was 14 years old and in the 8th grade. I gave birth one month after I turned 15. As you might expect, many called for me to abort my child and when they failed to rip him out of my womb they tried to rip him out of my arms when they tried to coerce me to put him up for adoption. Their sins against me, my motherhood and my son were great. My son was purely loved and very much wanted. But it certainly is a cross to bear as an unaborted fetus, knowing that there were people who did not want him to be born. It is a distinct cruelty that all three of my children have in their souls: the world said they were not welcome to be born. I call them my unaborted fetuses and challenge the world to face my children, all adults today, and revisit their sins against me and my beloved children.*
*your willingness to converse with me is precious to me, and it is not because of the silence between my son and I. It is because it is rare for me to encounter someone honest and true, and willful, as **_you_** are. You may look like my son and remind me of him but you exist in your own right and I thank you, in admiration, as your willingness to engage with me in a constructive-not-combative manner helps to alleviate some burden on my soul and spirit. I'm an island of solitary confinement, most interaction online is battle. Grrph.*
*my relationship with god is greatly embattled but it has not always been this way. The "story", as you would expect, is long and complicated but the shortest way I could explain it is to say that what god did to **_this_** lamb is exceedingly cruel and truly evil in nature. I could tell you about it. I could show you the wicked black eye for god I have been given. But, I don't want to show you how god has presented itself to me, and revealed itself to me, in my life. I do not want to give you the black eye by which to see god, but believe me that it's true. And the wickedness and cruelty of it is great. Oh, terribly.*
*thank you for speaking with me and sharing your testimony.
Damn, that's a good quote. That's me to a T. I did that very thing in response to being taken advantage in my first relationship. I was used and abused and I attempted to strike all feeling out of my life. Now I i have a hell of a time opening up to anyone about anything. Its a work in progress.
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"That's all I have to say about that"... Meanwhile I'm shedding a tear. This should be broadcasted world wide 24/7 from a fleet of blimps. I would donate to that kickstarter.
+retrovirus61 Shoving things down people's throats creates resentment, you'd do a lot of harm by trying to hammer home your point like that. You make people intentionally try to spite you and reject your cause.
Great sex advice that.^
Schleicherfreund I've learned that the hard way many times. Good advice.
That's why you're not in charge of influencing change.
retrovirus61
I know, right?
"To make a joke of a situation that catastrophic indicates the kind of malevolence that lurks behind the fact that such a condition exist.
That's an aesthetic of evil."
I never finished high school. I like listening to Jordan Peterson. He's smart.
I am close to finishing my master degree in psychology and I guarantee you I have never heard anything close to this in my whole life. This man is truly a one of a kind!
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@The Carpenter, I have an advanced degree, yet among the wisest people I have known came nowhere near high school graduation. Conversely, many in my life who are among the most foolish earned great academic success. Your statement was simple, peo found, and wise.🦋
@@carrotstick1970 I think being wise as you put it comes down to organizing information that refer to the best way to conduct in different scenarios. In this case a engineering degree does not offer you that, a degree in physics either. The best you could do is study on your own the humanities if you are bombarded with objective information and vice versa so you can combine the subjective knowledge with the objective knowledge in a functional way that works in society.
This comment is just a thought.
@@gamar1226 It is a brilliant and wise reply. Thank you! I heard a man once say, “Wisdom is knowledge applied.” I think that’s what you just so beautifully explained.
I've watched this four times in the last two days
The more I watch it, the more the small details make sense. it's like uncovering new discoveries, absolutely remarkable
Same here
After realizing what he said - i literally broke down and cried - and i haven't cried since i was a boy
Me too brother .. It is sad that this kind of knowledge could have been available for us earlier in our live we could have avoided some mistakes and regrets 😢
@@zm4522 i agree so much. Never taught learning the bible was so important.
Gustavo Lorenzoni Some of his philosophy is religion based religion not christian and I agree with it
Fake and gay
but for real the way he tells those bible stories are beautiful lol
Watching this video was the last drop for me. While watching it I found God and I have you to thank for mr Peterson because you contributed to that over time. I have been in hell for the last 10 years of my life and I have done some weird things in my separation, towards myself and towards others. My life changed since that moment which was around 2 months ago and I come here with joy and with a new perspective of life, remembering the moment. God bless you wise man!
This is by far my favorite Jordan Peterson talk. The concept of identifying and dealing with evil is something that haunts me as well.
I agree with you on your comment on evil, sometimes I sit and think about how to go about it and it’s nice to know other people do as well.
"that's all I have to say about that." Your work is amazing and I just want to thank you for all you have done. I always learn something every time I watch one of your lectures.
Thank you so much for everything that you do, we are eagerly listening Jordan.
not enough of us are. Share these videos like it's the cure for all our social ailments, because they very well may be.
Emilio Munoz
Absolutely Emilio, absolutely. We might be the last generation if not and hey, it's something really exciting to live for.
I'm not trying to force this thought upon anyone, but I personally believe that if you truly respect someone, you will call them by the position that they have rightfully earned. For example, Dr. , Srgt. , Gen.
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson is a man of immense character, and he has worked hard to earn his status, and I find that merely calling him by his first name is not only informal, but it disregards his vast knowledge and the heavy burden he has of carrying it, and sharing it with all of us, even if some arrogant ideologues don't want to listen. Of course this is very different than a random stranger demanding your respect and obligating you to use certain words around them.
This simply a thought, a voluntary one.
I believe, and almost more importantly, we should eagerly think and act on these ideas as well.
This is amazing. I've been an atheist (or so), and pretty nihilist also. I've been to church but they never taught me anything comprehensible or useful. I never thought the bible contained so profound knowledge about human reality. And you don't need to be religious to find this useful.
But a days walk in The Kingdom of God is worth more than a lifetime in the wilderness. Your Messiah calls you daily. Praying one day you turn to Yeshua, Jesus, Jesu, Issa - Emmanuel- He loves you
Established religion is an absolute joke - more concerned with politics than individuals.
I've seen this lecture so many times that I almost remember every single word by now. There is something timeless in this wisdom.
"The nature of human beings is such that it consists of a confrontation with the bounded finite with the unbounded infinite.." Jesus Christ what a deep sentence
...of the...with the...
Please explain it to me
@@umso2858 Beings in general and more specifically humans are limited in their abilities, in what they can know and do. They are vulnerable. They are the way that they are in a world that is infinitely large and chaotic and unknown. They have a limited amount of choices and attention in a universe of endless possibility.
The "bounded finite" refers to our limited existance.
The "unbounded infinite" refers to the vastness of the world.
@@umso2858 It's really funny. Take his first illustration. (He gives multiple, so, what he means changes, but the first one seems to travel thru th others.) He says that people confront things beyond their understanding. The complexity of what's beyond understanding, he refers to as infinite. What's funny is that that means that a baby surprised by his own fart has confronted the inifite (his own biology is beyond his understanding).
Peterson is an idiot. I love this jargon junk.
@@HAL5990
Wow... Could you have chosen a more pathetic example to attempt to undermine Peterson’s point?
Only until the moment you’ve got it ALL figured out, and by that I mean EVERY ONE of life’s questions ANSWERED with FACTUAL supporting evidence, will you have an opportunity to ridicule Peterson’s statement. Until then, get to work...
The portion of the lecture concerning sacrifice is probably the best explanation of the origins of religious thought that I've ever come across.
It's a shame that so many people see our ancestors as complete idiots. If not for them, we wouldn't be here. We live thanks to sacrifices of countless generations.
You should check out his lecture series on the Old Testament. Very important material
Seriously, this man has been helping me in more ways than one through the last few months. I love professor Peterson.
I'm so glad this was filmed, the message is so good, and he deserves the recognition that a small and a somewhat unappreciative appearing audience didn't provide. Amazing talk!
Such a shame to see empty seats and a low view count. I'm reminded of a single candle placed in a dark room (thank you sagan) . Fortunately for us the flame still burns, but we need some proper kindling.
and then came joe rogan and I went deep into the rabit hole....
SameBasicRiff Same here. Dr. Peterson's words ring true, all he needs is a magaphone.
Someone needs to link the Fire.
omglolzbbqsauce Your sentiment kind of reminds me of the whole premise of the Dark souls games. Link the fire for an era of fire (knowledge and order), or let the fire fade and bring an age of dark (chaos and uncertainty.)
Haven't played it but it's a common theme constantly echoed throughout the arts (including video games, and at this point video games may have replaced movies as the highest form of art, but that's another story). What brings more order than a fire to a hearth (in early human history)? It was our first source of energy that we could control and manipulate. It conquered many battles for us, be it light vs dark, or warmth vs cold, sterilization of food/water vs parasites, the list goes on. Through the chaos of fire, order is brought. Sort of ironic no ?
I have always ignored to hear or read things by Jordon Peterson. After watching this, I realize why and what for he is famous. Great scholar and eloquent speaker.
May I ask how come you tried to avoid it?
@@emisama7800 What if said I came to the same realization of everything he expressed in my own experience & that @ first as he mentioned I was slightly arrogant & resented hearing from others of Jordan Peterson because it felt like a repeating echo I caused long ago but only now does everyone hear & ask did u hear that when I had ask the same thing earlier & I'm half his age & completely opposite to his level of recognition & contributions .though the whole we are the many ripples of the present finite in the ocean of the infinite & the reason many now know the same revelations we share with him are evidence of the ripples finally expanding forward into the transition to the infinite but as he mentioned the evil is also so one will reach first I hope enough awake to the truth we share .
I do not look forward to the day when I have officially outlived this man. I'm grateful for my opportunity to appreciate him during his lifetime.
Once you’ve listened to him you can’t understand why you’ve never heard anything like this before.
This man explains it in a way that no one else does. The contexts and perspectives I had never before thought of. This is real enlightenment. I am like "wow" after every sentence, practically.
I think Jordan is breaking me. I hope he's right about being able to put me back together.
RichieW we r in this together 😊
Philosophy is dangerous... if you bail half way through.
In my own studies I have noticed a pattern. I begin by naively accepting what textbooks would tell, never questioning the established consensus. After time and research this changes and I challenged the received wisdom formulating my own answers in a somewhat rebellious manner. But as more time passes I find myself bit by bit returning to the orthodox view but now with a far deeper understanding. In the beginning I blindly adhere to the experts but in the end I can defend their positions if that makes sense.
Very powerful statement. If you stop the process of tearing apart and reconstruction halfway, well... Your phrase can't be truer.
You break your self and then realize that's who you never truly were by effortlessly forming a new self.
Mind blowing. i have stumbled upon such knowledge more valuable than anything i can buy including education. Wow what the hell was i learning in school all my life. Will definitely study these lectures.
hamid abedirad highly recommend David Hawkins books as well such as power vs force, you’ll have your mind blown even more :)
I´ve read his 12 Rules for Life, but now I want to read Maps of Meaning, I think that book must be FULL of ideas like in this video. It will be hard, but definitely worth it.
I AGREE SO MUCH!
@@zvolencan1 what will be hard?
Gustavo, Jordan once said that Maps of Meaning is more difficult to read than 12 Rules.
I hope this brilliant man gets well soon. What a mind for this day and age, we miss you Jordan and hope you'll make a fast recovery. Much love to you and your wife and children.
"As you remove the vulnerabilities, you remove the thing you love." I need to digest this concept.
SJWs gave us Jordan Peterson. Thank you.
Mind blown!
So true!! They went out of their way to make him god...🤣🤣🤣
Everything happens for a reason;)
Haha the irony 😂 Cancer-causing burnt bread should not be applauded for teaching us a lesson, tho. The scientists and the care-takers who point out the fact that burnt bread causes cancer are the ones to be thanked. Not the toxic bread.
Jordan Peterson is the order that has emerged within the chaotic world of SJW's.
"That's all I have to say about that." That's a great ending to an awesome speech. I regard you as the greatest psychologist of our time.
The best ending, though, is "Well, that's a good part to stop. I'll see you again next Thursday."
Thank you.
I am truly a person of faith
I am touched and encouraged that you speak about the value of that when it feels like I am rejected and attacked for my faith.
Bible with Jordan Peterson commentary throughout. I would buy it in a heart beat. In a sense It would be where academia and spirituality can meet for the believer and non-believer.
There are times when Jordan Peterson sounds like he's in physical pain as he's speaking. And I think sometimes he surprises himself with the words coming out of his mouth.
He moves himself to tears. There's truth when that happens
What a presentation; I've never seen anything like it.
If the coward's would have had back bones, the stagency that was prior would not have existed. Thank God that someone like Professor Peterson came along with that long awaited backbone and down right honesty And finally began to enlighten us.We have too much stagnation & deception.as it is
The Professor is truly like a breath of fresh air,and man how we needed that truth and honesty like a main staple of our existence especially in today's ideology
Thank you Dr. Peterson for your much needed enlightenment .You have definitely turned me around 360deg
Rock on Professor
And as far as your critics which are few have that common flaw,
Ignorance & dishonesty. Like you stated In this q&a lecture; they truly are cowards
An admirable fan
Robert Gordon Wilson
@@bobwilson9491 Hear, hear!
What a brilliant, articulate, sophisticated and emotional speech. This man stuns me and transcends me each time I hear his voice.
I feel obliged that i live in a time where jorden is alive and his essence will be felt on the span of a thousand years.
Wow! Came here from Twitter as THE Jordan Peterson shared this link in response to some stupid article writer (spewer, rather) saying his lectures are stupid and boring. I've been watching JBP's work for over a year and am fully aware of the depths of being this genius can reach. He's incredible and this talk was an ever more shining example of his true genius, his humble appeal to western civilization to wake up from the oblivious slumber that it has collectively fallen into, just for the sake of its short living protection from vulnerability that JBP talks about in here. I am writing this with goosebumps I felt throughout this video and wiping the tear that rolled down my cheek, understanding the crushing truth and vulnerability he so lucidly described. This man's work is temporal and I hope so does he become.
Thank you, JBP!
Sincerely,
One of the many Buckos.
"before a creature is self-conscious there is no distinction between good and evil " the closure of the train of thought there blew my mind/
How can anyone dislike this man? He simply speaks the truth and offers inspirational thought provoking assessments that transform lives for the better.
What a profound speech. I truly loved the biblical aspects in this speech. Because God plays a central part in humanity’s morality, yes he gave us free will, but if we rely on him and do our best to be good moral people, the evils of this world will dissipate.
The quality of thought presented here is shocking.
every video broadens my horizons.
it's 2022 and there's no free choise and things are falling apart.
How is this speech so wonderful... I just can't express how close to home this talk was to me. Thank you Dr. Peterson.
Such a vivid display of cognitive capacity and skill!!!
WOW - This man shakes the foundations of temples that need to be brought down - I am intending to listen to much more of him
Whoosh. Listening to this whilst walking a knife edge in an attempt to end a conflict which has raged between myself and a prior partner for 3 years now, to which I have lost what was once a life. Though I can never know which or what I am, whether perpertrator or victim in that conflict, I know one thing, I have been staring that evil in the face for long enough, whether in my own resentments or the fabrications of another's folly, but, it is all the same. For years I have battled between that light and righteous path of sacrifice and that other which seeks terrible vengeance. From day to day I have swung from one to another as my mental strength and composure returned or waned again as the conflict raged. ...Yet it is so fortifying, as always, to hear the words of reason offered by Jordan Peterson. On so many occasions, it has been your influence that has given me the strength to put myself up for that fight for something better than abstract chaos, evil and violent recourse, to dare be something other than those resentments, to return a response rather than a reaction. You are a man who has, through his lifetime, clearly, changed the coarse of that evil for so many and I thank you once again from the bottom of my heart for having the courage to hold that position and so inspire others to do likewise.
JPW.
I sometimes think I found a teacher and at times I think a teacher found me. This man is most assured a blessing to mankind if I have ever seen one.
Watching this in 2020. So glad I came across it. So many things to be said but I really do have to say, this is THE MOST motivational and inspiring video I have ever seen.
1:57 - about academia
5:17 - wihtout limitation, there is no being
8:08 - vulnerabitlity
9:39 - tragedy is a condition of existence
10:17 - evil entails lack of necessity and volunteerism
14:22 - motivations for evil (arrogance and resentment)
15:33 - ancestrality of biblical mythology
16:41 - women make men self-conscious
18:46 - free will
19:09 - mythological descritpion of the emergence of culture
21:38
22:25 - the real fall is when men blame women
23:24 - Cain and Abel are the two canonical patterns of reaction
25:27 - the sublime
30:20 - two patterns of reaction to existence
32:16 - meaning of Cain
39:50 - summary
I have a question, if women make men self-concious, what makes women self-concious?
@@greivouss Wish I knew, son
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As a working academic psychologist, I have some idea of that literature that JP cites....and his integration of diverse areas of thought is awe-inspiring. A Professor of Psychology who actually deserves that title
14:13 “revenge against the conditions of existence, itself”. JP is brilliant.
Your talks are fixing things that you can’t imagine. I just hope it’s enough but I won’t knowingly let this information go to waste. Your talks have removed me from my stupidity. My life goal is to fix the things I’ve messed up. And there’s no way to know how much I could have messed up in the 29 years of my life. I’m sure I’ve done some good some real good accidentally but not from trying. I’m very grateful to have had these lessons. Maps of meaning completely changed me. Along with 12 rules have given me the tools that I needed to begin that road. The psychological significance of the biblical stories were just a way of pounding in more information and enlightening me. I’ve been listening for alittle more than a year and a half and my mode of being has been forever altered. I’ve been awoke and I will never be able to go back to sleep.
As someone who grew up in a murderously abusive household, this speech rocks me to my core. Im estranged from most of my family and I see now that some of the things I called 'evil' were tragedies.
The most terrifying thing is when you see yourself. When you know there's a monster and the monster is you.
Holy shit. Mind fucked for the day
Black families have more corpses. Use fists not guns. Then stop using fists. Then words. Then nothing.
Like a poet, he speaks.
100% with you on the sentiment, but I think "preacher" might be more accurate.
When your name is "Yoda"
Listening to Jordan P is like paying full attention to a Beethoven symphony. Truth and beauty.
Beautiful comment, TY!
@@Guillermo6971 thank you Mica
oh my God..this is just tearing me from inside out...the level and the simplicity of the truth he s speaking is just beyond anything i have ever heard!
This talk is just spectacular! It was deeply meaningful to me! And it demands repeat viewing. I just love disquisitions and conversations that are this thoughtful and this raw, and this straight-forward, and this humble, in their contemplation of our reality as human beings.
This was so thought-provoking!
His points about vulnerability, and how it may be connected to many other facets of existence, are spot on. I recently had an experience in my life where, after it happened, a lot of vulnerability and fears of shame and of having my limitations seen/ridiculed/dismissed, came gushing out after more than a decade of being unexpressed, and it's staggering how much in resonance Peterson is with that moment when people are in that state and how powerful and inspiring and revelatory -- and healthy! -- it can be. I felt like Peterson was talking to me through the screen.
I find a lot of what he says to be perfectly in line with what some of the best psychotherapists and clinical psychologists are able to convey to their clients. It's staggering to me how we don't spread around, celebrate and share more widely the wisdom, insight and help that human beings can give each other in psychologists' offices and support groups and therapy sessions and so on.
We live in cultures that have an incredibly hard time with vulnerability and interpersonal transparency on this deep a level, and we live in societies that don't really cultivate a thoughtful, compassionate self-awareness to be able to talk about it eloquently. I sometimes wish I could walk down that path with people, to show it to them or try to bring it out in them, and it's incredibly difficult. People are too distracted by the impetus of their surface routines. Moments may call that vulnerability out in individuals, but they're unfortunately rare. They shouldn't be.
His interpretations of biblical stories have been some of the most insightful and meaningful I've ever listened to. I'm an atheist, not religious in any sense, and I still took A LOT from this. If I am to use the word 'spiritual' for anything, it is for the transcendence I find in other people when this is the level of engagement with our condition through conversation, through the sharing of experiences and insights, through the sharing of stories. So be it! So long as that sharing, that connection and that heartfelt, truthful transparency is there in a humble, sober manner.
Even though he uses biblical stories to illustrate and explore, what you see here is a deeply Humanist exercise. In fact I think this is a truly fine example of Humanism at its best, of what it can be.
Maybe I'm talking naive nonsense, but I do wish Humanism was as full of vitality and sobriety and freethinking as Peterson is here.
Thank you for these videos and all your work over the decades, professor. It is all invaluable and very inspiring! ;)
"It matters to the destiny of the cosmos whether or not you get your moral act straight."
Blows my mind every new video i watch of this man.. His passion for the given subjects he speaks about is inspiring
Without limitation there's no story. That's pure gold right there. It applies to how to lead your life in a meaningful way and interestingly also to creating music.
This is a comment I left on the Dave Rubin interview with you Jordan in regards to your 12 rules. I wanted to post it somewhere on your own channel so that you'd have the chance to see. This video seems appropriate because it's the first of video I watched on your channel when I was looking to understand your ideas and to get to know the man behind the madness :P
This is one amazing individual, Jordan Peterson, thank you so much! Seriously, you are scientifically and religiously competent, you understand the fundamental nature of human suffering, you pay attention to child development, you aren't above the working class because you worked in numerous trades jobs, and you're politically and philosophically wise. I could go on and on.
After first discovering your videos I thought, ok cool someone standing up for free speech. But then I started watching your interviews with Dave and Joe Roegan, then I started watching your videos on your channel. And man, I don't know how to express this in words, but I'll try. You've solidified and articulated what I've struggled to understand for my entire adult life, thus far (only 29 now). I've only ever had a very scattered and fuzzy understanding of the ideas you speak of and of how they relate to evolution and self-development and spirituality and pickup and so on.
After discovering your videos and your work, it feels like I've found one of the missing puzzle pieces to guaranteed fulfillment and genuine happiness. My core philosophy has now adopted much of your ideas and they sit comfortably beside the best ideas of RSD, and deep philosophical study of the nature of mathematics and physics (the fringe of what we could ever come to understand as true objective reality). I'd love to take courses at U of T with you, and just spend time talking with you and offer what ever value I could in return.
Much respect, from an Alberta born average Joe who's aspiring for something greater.
*follow the man's lead then, and go read the Bible. First commandment makes clear that god forbids idol worship. Do not idol worship Peterson. To do so would be an injustice unto him and yourself and god's Jesus.*
Makes you realize there’s no obligation legally speaking, for Dr Peterson to share his revelations and conclusions. He could be a force for absolutely terrible things especially as he seems to be aware of his own shortcomings and the desires of evil live inside us all if we admit it. But here’s the difference , he’s realized and articulated that the truth is powerfully coupled with one own humility. I know you’ve met or I am assuming you’ve met someone who describes themself as brutally honest. And yeah that’s fine to think you are fit to judge the being of other but it’s weakness when you see yourself as”not subjected to the malevolence in your own heart”. Go to a community where damaged and troubled kids are. You find adults who will tell things I them that are honest, they will help break them down and maybe even help put them back together. Rarely is this done of humility, more-so you don’t know better than I do and now your broke so listen to me blindly and don’t dare question my altruistic intentions because look at you and look at me. They rarely build but when they do they manipulate. No one knows better than you what you should do , we all seem to know this.
Jordan Peterson is demanding nothing he wouldn’t apply to himself. I don’t detect holier than thou antics spilling. Piety is for the perverse and his being tells of a life full of suffering and failure and foolishness and malevolence if not in deed in our thought process.
Dr Peterson is the answer to the SJW who’s motives are unclear to them because they’re ignorant as we all are. He explains the path to redemption is in meaning and if you want to make the world better, do it. But hating the rich or mouthing your false international outrage of the testament and horrors of the the phrase white privilege etc isn’t a creative force. The lack ideas to build so they destroy . There is nothing more racist than assuming someone is lesser because of skin color. It goes both ways. We all face tyrants we all are touched by malevolence it’s happening to you or has been continuously regardless of your naivety it’s a thing and evil is real.
We all have a choice to keep it decaying our social and physical reality or realize and admit yes it’s there and fucking sometimes it’s a deeply painful reality that we are responsible for the misery in the world by either ignoring reality , destroying others or simply corrupting your own goodness for status and forgetting we are all capable of horrors that are disgusting. But in spite of all that and it’s very easy to make bitterness and hatred seem altruistic, a stand must be taken. Thats what I’ve learned, I am a monster who may have to use that for good but only in the most dire of circumstance and with careful consideration of motives, but I will not use my dark side for gain no matter the temptation because I pervert the nature of being Universally and I’m not a saint. It’s a lifelong struggle. Complaining is useless without productive action and a desire to figure out a better way without wrecking and wanting the current state completely obliterated.
He’s made it clear to me, the good life that I could be labeled as having isn’t useful if I only help myself for gain regardless of how. It’s spineless to stay quiet and follow without question , but that ultimately is how most of us “get by” . It’s weak and sad and foolish. Help make yourself aware you are capable of even more every day. Forgive others for their own actions but not to hold them in check. And that doesn’t mean enabling that means knowing you are capable of that which you condemn and much more. Lead by stopping before you go down the street to hell and bring it back to the world and play it out
"Sometimes I think that people who go into academia go into academia to shield themselves from having to ask questions about the absolute nature of reality"
YES!!! Exactly why I decided to avoid a career path there and never look back.
This is a hidden gem. Truly phenomenal, Dr... As a very strong believer in religion, you have deconstructed this narrative so well that I have come to agree with most of your patterns of thought that have allowed you to manifest such thoughts, to begin with.
The clarity which Dr. Peterson brings us is truly amazing. 1000 thanks | Please get well & get back in the ring.
Absolutely wonderful. Concentrated packets of wisdom are instilled in his speech. The distinction between tragedy and evil is so profoundly demonstarted and ground shaking. That tragedy is a precondition of human life, that the limitations in the face of infinite has to be accepted and the responsibility shouldered on as a precondition to being. That all of us had the innate capacity to do horrendous things, that all of us are have the capacity to become agent of devil is a lightening strike that shatters our limited beliefs about ourselves.
He speaks the truth. He speaks wisely to the core of our heart. He raises existential questions. He wakes up from our deadly long slumber. Listen to Jordon Peterson. It will change the way you see the world, you and your relationship with it. He is a life-changing professor.
36:12 "If the barrier to enlightenment is the development of self-consciousness of the individual human’s infinite capacity for evil then you can be immediately convinced as to why enlightenment is in short supply." This is a true statement, speaking from personal experience.
In my own awakening process, as I became more self-aware, I developed this fear of malevolent invisible entities around me during night time. I would have imagery for fearful, terrifying beings capable of doing the most heinous acts just for the pleasure they derive from it. Some nights, I had trouble sleeping without the light on.
But now, I have come to understand that these were my own malevolent tendencies being projected onto these "entities" and "monsters" since my rational ego just could not own them. They represented my shadow. I am slowly beginning to understand this. And the more I see them as my own tendencies, that I am indeed capable of the most heinous acts of evil, the fear associated with them is decreasing.
swamygee I may be experiencing this as well... And I fear for what you havegone through so I refuse to face it. But I know I have to...
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There is a reason that people talk about demons being things that reside inside of you.
Hope you are in good Health, been there?
8:55 in this video was profound, I now understand why God created mankind and why he gave us free will. Without mankind, there is no story for him, and without him there is no life for us. No wonder he loves us all and wants us to love him. He fulfills us and we fulfill him. Each needs the other to have the "story" as Dr. Peterson said.
Read on the aseity of God for greater clarity to your question on God.
One of the best talks he's ever given IMHO.
You think you're smart, then you listen to Jordan Peterson speak and the humbling begins (or continues).
One of the your best lectures ever! You are an example of one person changing the world for the better....I will forward this on. Your passion to continuously analyze and research is truly appreciated.
"Each individual being is a center of the cosmos"... Yes, I agree!
So good to watch again, thanks Jordan!
One of the most profound lectures I've heard from Dr. Peterson
Man this guy is a GIFT from the heavens. The depht of his thinking and soul is breathtaking. Plus there's something about him that moves me and makes me wanna be a better man
"When you are everything at once which is a description of God there's no story and no being. There is something about being that is a story and without limitations there is no story." Now I'll take that premise one step further and say that there is no story without something BAD happening. Nobody writes books that go, "Once upon a time they lived happily ever after. The End." Stories are always full of conflict. There is always something that has to be made right in a story. Through this conflict we may learn something about ourselves and transcend our state of existence.
"There is always something that has to be made right in a story." Yes or it is
totally boring and not even a story, just a group of random actions.
Well, I agree, but this view requires a lot of strength and legitimate character development to live out.
@@allenthummel1241 That's interesting, I've been writing a novel and, of course, there's plenty of adversity to be overcome because that's what people seem to like. Personally, I'd rather write unique stories about happy people having fun and expressing themselves creatively; I'd much rather dwell on positive imagination. But I suspect that no one would want to read it. Maybe that's from a survival instinct; people want to focus on what can go wrong, to be prepared for it.
Man I truly admire and even envy his ability to express his ideas so fluently.