wouldn't that depend on what "it" is? starting off you have to decide if the malevolence is deadly or in some way physically harmful to you vs hurting your feelings. if it is deadly can you escape it? what will happen if you don't escape? How can you make it stop? Identify what you can or can't do...or specifically what you are willing or unwilling to do and follow the consequences... you could easily do a flow chart for this sort of thing...
"The stone cannot know why the chisel cleaves it; the iron cannot know why the fire scorches it. When thy life is cleft and scorched, when death and despair leap at thee, beat not thy breast and curse thy evil fate, but thank The Builder for the trials that shape thee." - The Hammer Book of Tenets
Incredible stuff. I had a 4 month old black lab that I was beginning to socialize at the dog park. He was ganged up on by 3 other dogs whobacked him into a corner..not snarling but checking him out and intimidating. Mytrainer said just walk between them. Let him know you have his back but don't take his power away. It's seems Jordan has put this in a broader focus as it applied to people.
This is so true.... i dont like to compare people to animals because we are people and they are animals (we have our own set of problems and rules to follow) BUT the training process or desensitization is similar for a lot of creatures...especially social creatures like humans, dogs or horses. The more we are exposed to struggle and allowed play time the more we grow, the stronger we become. I have successfully trained a few dogs and horses and now have kids of my own and apply the same logic.... take them to new places, meet new people...and stand back. they know i'm there if they need me but they are allowed to explore and make those connections on their own.. JP has made similar arguments about children, particularly boys who are allowed to play rough vs ones who don't (or weren't allowed to) they don't know their limits. they dont know that they will not shatter into a million pieces if they fall down or jump off the swing set. because of that they are always holding back out of fear of the unknown. or worse...if a kid isn't allowed to play with others they have no idea it's a bad thing to kick or bite or pull hair because they have never had that done to them. (same thing with puppies learning bite inhibition from littermates) my mom, well meaning as she is, will scold the kids if they are playing rough because she doesnt want anyone to get hurt. i told her to stop it. they need to do it. unless they are trying to chokeslam each other off the back of the sofa then let them play.... getting a bruise or a scratch isn't fatal.
I asked myself why whilst in the chaos am I feeling unusually strong. As I watch this I realise its because I've been watching a lot of JP. Thanks for encouraging us to face our lives full frontal.
because you cannot expect intellectuals like him to solve our problems; on the other hand we can choose intellectuals to be politicians, note that there is a diffference. Secondly, who can guarantee that an intellectual like him being a politician can serve our interests better? A politician is merely a person you elect to govern/ serve the state. So again it depends on who we over who the person is. Thirdly, this will also encourage a trend where emphasis is given to education and or merit, above the willingness or honesty to work/ serve the state. Note that both merit and education are not necessarily, but majorly a product of your surroundings, and not everyone has the same surroundings.
Jordan Peterson is the last person who would be a politician. For one thing, Peterson lives by the creed of never lying-politics is a dirty, dishonest field, and Peterson is too truthful and decent a person.
I was bullied my senior year. Her name was Karen. A very fitting name. I literally never did anything to her. She just wanted to pick on me for no reason. I’m not going to say that I never said anything but mostly I would try to ignore her. I don’t remember half of the things that she said but she just had hatred for me. Always was trying to undermine me and called me slow. She once tried to spit on me but ended up spitting on the girl next to me. She would always just laugh at the things that I did. It did not matter if it was good or bad. She just laughed at everything. Once I was helping the teacher’s daughter and she was laughing. Probably thinking of ways to undermine me but she was wise enough not to do it in front of the kid. The kid pointedly out that she was laughing. I said “yeah she does that. She’s like a dog always barking. Actually no she is more like a hyena. She doesn’t bite though. Just ignore her.” And I continued helping her with homework. Someone in the class said. “Oh she got you.” Later during lunch. She said. “She was just trying to impress the kid.” She said in a hurt tone. She was trying to undermine me. Later the kid revealed that she actually thought that Karen was laughing at her for needing help with her homework. She was really sentimental. Like if she was about to cry. I told her. “I’ll take care of it” and so I went to lunch with a goal in mind :To confront the bully. I sat down. This one girl to my left tried to start a conversation with me. I held up my hand to her. I turned to Karen and said. “Karen you’re a miserable piece of shit. What the fuck are you laughing at?” She said “you.” Which I already knew. It wasn’t a surprise. I said “Well she thinks your laughing at her. I let you treat me however you want but you are not going to make her feel bad about herself.” I said. “Das pena” which mean i feel pity for her. She said. “Dude. People feel pity for you.” I said. “Yeah they do but I could be the most miserable person on earth and I still wouldn’t go around making elementary schoolers feel bad about themselves.” She didn’t have a comeback. A short while later, I go to class and I see that Karen was playing with the kid. So it seemed that they made up. Karen saw me looking at them. Maybe I was glaring maybe I wasn’t. Karen asks the little girl. “Do you like me?” She answers with a enthusiastic. “Yeah.” Then Karen asks. “Do you like me more than her?” The little girl inches away and shakes her head no. Even when it came to the well-being of a child she couldn’t put aside her need to put me down. To be domineering. Her need to prove to herself that she was better and her need to tell me that I wasn’t. I didn’t say anything. I just wanted the little girl to be okay. That was my life most of senior year. There was good and bad. Do I regret not standing up for myself like I did for the kid? Yes sometimes I think of how I should of punched her in the face and smashed her head into the table but i feel like that would of killed her. I feel resentful I was too scared to actually speak my mind. I was harmless. I wasn’t strong. Harmless does not equal virtuous. I would laugh it off sometimes or curve what I said because I didn’t want to instigate more violence or for things to be worst for me. She never touched me but words were exchanged. I was also sick at the time with diverticulitis so i wasn’t exactly in peak physical health to be fighting. That’s my story. My encounter with evil. My encounter with malevolence. Just a disgusting monster spitting her venom into the earth.
Thank u for sharing ur story. I have similar situation but its my father and I realized they r actually cowards and they see some sort of strength within us. For my situation my father is envious of me and resentful for no reason I developed ptsd but after a panic attack i stayed firm and faced him with his abusive behavior towards me trying to intimidate me no physical but with gestures and ugly stares and words. All of sudden my ptsd almost gone now. Im 30 i wish i did that years ago. But i did it now and u can do it too when u face such thing one day. 💕
that was a powerful comment to read and understand, I hope you have gained strength stranger, it seems like you are on the path, just need balance between taking care of yourself and other people. Strength always starts by a desire to defend yourself IMO, you held strength for that child, imagine holding strength for yourself
You should've spoken your mind to Karen in private. She would've been well deserving of that. But I also have experienced catcalling, insults, mockery, judgement, rumors being spread about me for six months every single day, by a guy, after I stopped talking to him, or after I got mad at him. I got mad at him because I felt disrespected by him, and every time he disrespected me I would just take it, and wouldn't say anything. So one time I lashed out and then the next day he started spreading rumours. I don't know why he would want to do this to me. Those people are difficult to comprehend. But they also hide it, because one time I reported his catcalling, and afterwards he lied about it and acted like I was crazy . So these people know what they're doing
I heard this message and knew immediately that I had experienced this. I could not believe that someone could just want to do harm. It is like a game to that person and achieving it means they have won. This can truly be a real tragedy when you did not believe that such was possible. I lost my heart felt fountain of joy which was replaced by a deep sorrow, which I found so hard to shake off, despite surviving the situation. This message on malevolence is so, so true.
The solution to the problem of tragedy and malevolence is the willingness to face them. Face chaos and malevolence. Stop relying on your conceptual scheme, but rely instead on your ability to actively generate conceptual schemes in the face of chaos and malevolence
i also love when hes talking about extracting things of a whole , and like holding a ball of air, and pulling out a part with is hand and grasp it, pushing the rest of air away ... its like he's a magician
Minute 4 25 to 4 35 : this is what happenned when i was bullied at school in tunisia and my parents faked seeing it. And i was badly teased in high school in Canada and my father said : " just pray " it was either he himself knew not what to do with it or he attempted refuse stealing the problem from me. With that in mind i remain thankful for the experience and note that there are times, a parent remains at a distance, and a son or daughter resolves the low/medium sometimes high level conflicts. around him / her on their own. Still i wish my parents had abstained refusing 7 times, to let me in on Karate course until i was 17 and away from them, in another city. I allow myself that small regret. I can have that. I still remain thankful for the opportunity to live alone and pay myself this self defense learning opportunity in September 2020, looking forward to it. Cool with me. Luck or little luck i will afford me this opportunity.
The words of this man are 1 of two reasons that changed my thoughts dramaticaly ! After lot of Study of his Videos and practical experience combined. My brain Switched and iam another man today than yesterday. To my dear friends who are watching JP s videos pls watch them over and over again think about his words over and over again even if you are not understanding them the 5th time. A day will come and your brain will switch ! I hope for you all !!!
This can sound very intellectual, and not based in reality, but I have had time to think about it, come back to it etc. It makes a lot of sense in very real terms to the problems I have in my life right now. I guess it makes sense to a very broad group of people with different problems that are to do with growing up and finding a place in a very complex world. I say that as a man in my 40s, trying to 'grow up' now.
The solution for the problem of tragedy and malevolence is the willingness to face them. The more you confront the two of them, the more you grow, and maybe you can grow so that you're actually larger than the chaos and malevolence itself.
When I needed it (12-13 years old), I learned very little from my parents as they were going through a very bad separation. I ended up living with my mother and her abusive, narcissistic, high-functioning alcoholic boyfriend. Back at home my dad thought me squat about life or how to navigate it, so my mothers boyfriend took it upon himself to "teach" me the "ways of the world". Disguised as an attempt to toughen me up, he'd cause all sorts of problems to either convince my mother I was trouble and discardable, or that I needed toughening up for the world, as I was too naive. In reality, what he was doing was trying to cause enough suffering and chaos that I'd take off back home in order to have my mother to himself. He saw me as a threat, just like all narcissists do. Running back home wasn't an option for me so I had to endure that until I was 18, then face the world with zero coping tools.
The act of facing the enemy involves evauating whether advance or retreat is more pragmatic. Victory in war is not in fighting battles that are suicidal. You have to think tactically and strategically. Too much blind courage is a fatal error as is too. much abject cowardice. JP never adresses tactics and strategy. His main theme is not to be bullied. He is a great cheerleader for those resisting the postmodernist borg. My only critique is that he does not go beyond standing up to tyranny and admit that sometimes you must reject confrontation to conserve resources--lose the battle in order to win the war. I'm sure he knows this. Maybe. he thinks this is too complex for his audience and they need. courage more than analysis for now.
San Juan I agree. Sociopaths will bait others so that they can then judge your response- walk away and you're labelled a coward; confront them and you're a hair-trigger bully who can't take a "joke". Managerial bureaucracies are teeming with such individuals who kick down on those who work under them while sucking up to (and loathing) those above them. Peterson generally ignores the issue of the soul-destroying impact of both corporate and governmental bureaucracy (he has an academic career in a university, after all), preferring to believe that if you "choose" to hang on to a tree tightly enough, the tsunami won't carry you away. And if it does it's because you didn't clean your room...
In general,I don't have a response for the situation you described,but in my work,whenever anyone(including my own brother,which is quite the bully)puts me in the situation where I'm either a coward or a hair-trigger bully,I escape being either playing dumb and act that I was too focused on work to understand what they were talking about,or I outsmart them with a good response tailored to the situation,or I play them for laughs too,or I act humble and admit whenever flaw of myself they've mocked(such as being fat,or virgin,or slow,or stinky,etc...). There was even a time a colleague of mine,one that mocked me the most,asked me If i didn't bother the bullying with me,and I said It's not manly to cry about bullying all the time,and confronting them or ignoring them is better.And as far as I know about sociopaths(I was on verge on becoming one before,I am quite a disagreable person with few to no empathy for anyone,and I did commit some heinous acts before),the best way to defeat them is to expose them,destroying their facades and showing what they truly are.Those people hate being "bare naked" to the people,and won't have the true humility to admit their flaws and sins in the areas they want to admit the least. For example,there's me again.As you can see in these paragraphs,I value manliness,and I prefer to bear bullying and be publicly shamed for petty things(mostly about my appearance) than to be called out as a coward or a crybab.Aadmitting I've been a coward or a crybaby in some situations is the hardest thing for me to admit.It's easier for me to even admit I've commited a crime.
Thank you Dr Peterson for making sense of so many things. You make us wise because you share your wisdom. I think your videos are the ones I listened to more than any other. They do provide stability for me.
What's a playground? - uuh... a place where you go to have fun? - NO, IT'S MALEVOLENCE AND CHAOS - okay then... - HAVE EVER HEARD ABOUT LOBSTERS???? (It's just a joke, i love JP's lectures)
"Hey, what did I miss?" "Uhh.. the battle of chaos vs order... some stuff about the collapse of European culture.... catastrophes... solver of problems.."
Never steal someone's problem by removing from them the opportunity to solve their problem. Don't protect someone at the cost of them being able to protect themselves.
I can't say that I fully understand all that you are trying to explain. I have been sheltered--actually as a child I would withdraw and shelter myself. As I grew older, I found that that malevolence sometimes chases you down. I still don't run out to find it, but it does occasionally find me in my hiding place. And yes, now that I am becoming more and more a senior adult, I have found it within me too..the desire for revenge can be strong. Something no one who relishes self pity and identifies as a victim like to discover about themselves. So, I am not justified in seeking vengeance for myself if I don't allow vengeance towards myself. (It's the struggle between justice and mercy. I can't show mercy unless I realize that mercy is being show to me.) So, how do I find protection from malevolence (the conflict between knowing (experiencing) both good and evil in this life-even within myself. Well, being a Christian, I hide myself (Psalm 91) in believing that God is both just and merciful. That he is the only "good" judge who alone can administer both justice and mercy. I believe my life here on earth is only temporal, but I have eternal in a much better place (that ideal world) because Jesus Christ took upon himself the vengeance of God due me (because of my malevolence towards others-my sin). Now God can be merciful towards me. Also, realize that while I am alive in this temporal world, I will suffer both good and evil. I seek God's wisdom (James 3:17). The only reason I still exist in this world is to be a witness to His glory and goodness. (Colossians 1:24-29) I no longer seek vengeance (Romans 12:17-19) or expect justice from those who do not know they need mercy. I do seek to do good by treating others justly, showing mercy when I can and being humbled by knowing that I am not better than the persons to whom I am giving these graces. (Micah 6:8)
Interesting argument against over-protection, but then the question arises whether Buddha's beginning in an over-protected childhood had any influence over his later ability to achieve enlightenment when faced with the challenges of the world
Sure his childhood played a part, but the point being made is eventually the world must be dealt with. A retreat into full protection is protection against growth.
Great point made. At some point you can't advice your children because of your own limitations. Better raise your children to learn to trust themselves, problemsolving abbilities and their creativity. You have to be able as a parent to allow your children to raise above yourself, that actualy should be the goal. But at the same time that is hard for allot of pearents as that will give them the Idea they are losing responsability over them.
_"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."_ - John Philpot Curran
Here in Australia, people have absolutely no clue that running from the problem by demanding a strong state is totally busting their ability to function as a society
Phellippe Marques not only that when the idiot came in late that’s when all the noise started... the desk rattling and the fidgeting. You could’ve heard a pin drop up until the point that guy came in late and then all his noise was so irritating so disrespectful he should’ve just gotten up and left or been asked to leave.
But at the end, we are all so different beside similar to use simple terms, even complex ones. That's the beauty, that no matter how many structures we build, there is a boundless world.
7:53 to 8:39 is absolute gold, had to keep rewatching it. So much wisdom in 46 seconds. I've been looking for this as a counter to my nihilism for so damn long...
Do not STEAL their problem. Profound as fuck, not only in problem-solving and helping others, but for me in terms to combat rumination and negative thinking. Do not go searching for problems, unless you’re willing to fix them!
instinctively we all know what he s saying only he can put it very well....im alwas amazed how much intelligence there is on this planet and how little we seem to make use of that intelligence in society.....
His end point really sparked my curiosity. I wonder what that system would look like. Where we are able to utilize people's potential at a higher degree. I want to work on that now.
You are 100 correct. It is also true that folks who gossip will always be among us, so the idea is to ignore and let your life answer their wagging tongues in a way that nullifies every reckless indictment they cast upon you.
In my experience macro doses (heroic ) is in away like a Jordan Peterson lecture but with much more going on ,and if you lose focus can go hey wire quick ....so it's probably much safer and more retainable to listen to him speak ...and micro doses help digest what he says better
I can corroborate the effects of it has on someone to steal their problem (~6:00); and this is something that I see so many parents doing with their children and people with each other in general―and it doesn't help, in fact it is detrimental! It can be quite a challenge to help someone learn to be a problem solver, thinking they've done it all on their own even if that is not initially 100% true.
Wow it's like he's talking to me in that first minute. I used to be super religious, but once I realized it was all just sillyness, my belief in bielf systems in general collapsed. So interesting.
How Ironic to see that the advertisement that played before this video was for a grammar-tool that corrects everything you misspell as you are writing it.
The solution to malevolence is the willingness to face it
Sam Antha how do I face it?
wouldn't that depend on what "it" is?
starting off you have to decide if the malevolence is deadly or in some way physically harmful to you vs hurting your feelings. if it is deadly can you escape it? what will happen if you don't escape? How can you make it stop? Identify what you can or can't do...or specifically what you are willing or unwilling to do and follow the consequences... you could easily do a flow chart for this sort of thing...
Ms Pollifax, you're correct. Lisa McGuire
Amen!
@@TraitArts Turn towards Washington DC
Jordan Peterson may be the most relevant intellectual alive.
@@lordhorrorshow not an arguement.
First Last he definitely is
He will be written in our history as a great influence on human thought. Such as many other past Philosophers and Psychologists.
@@lordhorrorshow In the mirror?
No, that's Chomsky.
A gem cannot be polished without friction nor a man perfected without trials. - Seneca
Brilliant
"The stone cannot know why the chisel cleaves it; the iron cannot know why the fire scorches it. When thy life is cleft and scorched, when death and despair leap at thee, beat not thy breast and curse thy evil fate, but thank The Builder for the trials that shape thee." - The Hammer Book of Tenets
@@Torgo1969 Four tours in Afghanistan and Iraq I can relate.
@@realistic.optimist Impressive. How are you doing psychologically? Any trauma? Really curious to understand how you got through it.
@@jewulo lol
Why would you be late to one of jordan peterson classes?
Didn't clean his room.
@@RegenerativeMojave didn't make his bed
I don't think he had anything with him...At least it didn't look like he had a bag or anything. Maybe he just went to the bathroom.
He ate his dog’s homework ;)
He’s thinking:
“im late!
meh! I’ll watch it on UA-cam”
Incredible stuff. I had a 4 month old black lab that I was beginning to socialize at the dog park. He was ganged up on by 3 other dogs whobacked him into a corner..not snarling but checking him out and intimidating. Mytrainer said just walk between them. Let him know you have his back but don't take his power away. It's seems Jordan has put this in a broader focus as it applied to people.
This is so true.... i dont like to compare people to animals because we are people and they are animals (we have our own set of problems and rules to follow) BUT the training process or desensitization is similar for a lot of creatures...especially social creatures like humans, dogs or horses. The more we are exposed to struggle and allowed play time the more we grow, the stronger we become. I have successfully trained a few dogs and horses and now have kids of my own and apply the same logic.... take them to new places, meet new people...and stand back. they know i'm there if they need me but they are allowed to explore and make those connections on their own..
JP has made similar arguments about children, particularly boys who are allowed to play rough vs ones who don't (or weren't allowed to) they don't know their limits. they dont know that they will not shatter into a million pieces if they fall down or jump off the swing set. because of that they are always holding back out of fear of the unknown. or worse...if a kid isn't allowed to play with others they have no idea it's a bad thing to kick or bite or pull hair because they have never had that done to them. (same thing with puppies learning bite inhibition from littermates)
my mom, well meaning as she is, will scold the kids if they are playing rough because she doesnt want anyone to get hurt. i told her to stop it. they need to do it. unless they are trying to chokeslam each other off the back of the sofa then let them play.... getting a bruise or a scratch isn't fatal.
Great story. Good comparison.
One word "Genius"
Jordan peterson's videos has taught me more than i learned in school and university.
Fortune is when you can watch Jordan’s lectures at home! Thanks youtube, I’ll be forever grateful for it.
I asked myself why whilst in the chaos am I feeling unusually strong. As I watch this I realise its because I've been watching a lot of JP. Thanks for encouraging us to face our lives full frontal.
Why can't intellectuals like him be politicians?
His ability to be as truthful as humanly possible.
because you cannot expect intellectuals like him to solve our problems; on the other hand we can choose intellectuals to be politicians, note that there is a diffference.
Secondly, who can guarantee that an intellectual like him being a politician can serve our interests better?
A politician is merely a person you elect to govern/ serve the state. So again it depends on who we over who the person is.
Thirdly, this will also encourage a trend where emphasis is given to education and or merit, above the willingness or honesty to work/ serve the state. Note that both merit and education are not necessarily, but majorly a product of your surroundings, and not everyone has the same surroundings.
R. Mutt Don’t we wish, right? My guess, politicians have to make concessions whereas intellectuals have too much conviction to compromise.
Jordan Peterson is the last person who would be a politician. For one thing, Peterson lives by the creed of never lying-politics is a dirty, dishonest field, and Peterson is too truthful and decent a person.
They would be killed, like Socrates
I was bullied my senior year.
Her name was Karen. A very fitting name. I literally never did anything to her. She just wanted to pick on me for no reason. I’m not going to say that I never said anything but mostly I would try to ignore her. I don’t remember half of the things that she said but she just had hatred for me. Always was trying to undermine me and called me slow. She once tried to spit on me but ended up spitting on the girl next to me. She would always just laugh at the things that I did. It did not matter if it was good or bad. She just laughed at everything. Once I was helping the teacher’s daughter and she was laughing. Probably thinking of ways to undermine me but she was wise enough not to do it in front of the kid.
The kid pointedly out that she was laughing. I said “yeah she does that. She’s like a dog always barking. Actually no she is more like a hyena. She doesn’t bite though. Just ignore her.” And I continued helping her with homework. Someone in the class said. “Oh she got you.” Later during lunch. She said. “She was just trying to impress the kid.” She said in a hurt tone. She was trying to undermine me. Later the kid revealed that she actually thought that Karen was laughing at her for needing help with her homework.
She was really sentimental. Like if she was about to cry. I told her. “I’ll take care of it” and so I went to lunch with a goal in mind :To confront the bully. I sat down. This one girl to my left tried to start a conversation with me. I held up my hand to her. I turned to Karen and said. “Karen you’re a miserable piece of shit. What the fuck are you laughing at?” She said “you.” Which I already knew. It wasn’t a surprise. I said “Well she thinks your laughing at her. I let you treat me however you want but you are not going to make her feel bad about herself.” I said. “Das pena” which mean i feel pity for her. She said. “Dude. People feel pity for you.” I said. “Yeah they do but I could be the most miserable person on earth and I still wouldn’t go around making elementary schoolers feel bad about themselves.” She didn’t have a comeback.
A short while later, I go to class and I see that Karen was playing with the kid. So it seemed that they made up. Karen saw me looking at them. Maybe I was glaring maybe I wasn’t. Karen asks the little girl. “Do you like me?” She answers with a enthusiastic. “Yeah.” Then Karen asks. “Do you like me more than her?” The little girl inches away and shakes her head no. Even when it came to the well-being of a child she couldn’t put aside her need to put me down. To be domineering. Her need to prove to herself that she was better and her need to tell me that I wasn’t.
I didn’t say anything. I just wanted the little girl to be okay. That was my life most of senior year. There was good and bad. Do I regret not standing up for myself like I did for the kid? Yes sometimes I think of how I should of punched her in the face and smashed her head into the table but i feel like that would of killed her. I feel resentful I was too scared to actually speak my mind. I was harmless. I wasn’t strong. Harmless does not equal virtuous. I would laugh it off sometimes or curve what I said because I didn’t want to instigate more violence or for things to be worst for me. She never touched me but words were exchanged.
I was also sick at the time with diverticulitis so i wasn’t exactly in peak physical health to be fighting.
That’s my story. My encounter with evil. My encounter with malevolence. Just a disgusting monster spitting her venom into the earth.
Thank u for sharing ur story. I have similar situation but its my father and I realized they r actually cowards and they see some sort of strength within us. For my situation my father is envious of me and resentful for no reason I developed ptsd but after a panic attack i stayed firm and faced him with his abusive behavior towards me trying to intimidate me no physical but with gestures and ugly stares and words. All of sudden my ptsd almost gone now. Im 30 i wish i did that years ago. But i did it now and u can do it too when u face such thing one day. 💕
Thx!
that was a powerful comment to read and understand, I hope you have gained strength stranger, it seems like you are on the path, just need balance between taking care of yourself and other people. Strength always starts by a desire to defend yourself IMO, you held strength for that child, imagine holding strength for yourself
You should've spoken your mind to Karen in private. She would've been well deserving of that. But I also have experienced catcalling, insults, mockery, judgement, rumors being spread about me for six months every single day, by a guy, after I stopped talking to him, or after I got mad at him. I got mad at him because I felt disrespected by him, and every time he disrespected me I would just take it, and wouldn't say anything. So one time I lashed out and then the next day he started spreading rumours. I don't know why he would want to do this to me. Those people are difficult to comprehend. But they also hide it, because one time I reported his catcalling, and afterwards he lied about it and acted like I was crazy . So these people know what they're doing
Man, this makes me want to go back to school
I heard this message and knew immediately that I had experienced this. I could not believe that someone could just want to do harm. It is like a game to that person and achieving it means they have won. This can truly be a real tragedy when you did not believe that such was possible. I lost my heart felt fountain of joy which was replaced by a deep sorrow, which I found so hard to shake off, despite surviving the situation. This message on malevolence is so, so true.
This is why its good to stay away from hippies. Those groups attract a lot of those kinds of people
The solution to the problem of tragedy and malevolence is the willingness to face them. Face chaos and malevolence. Stop relying on your conceptual scheme, but rely instead on your ability to actively generate conceptual schemes in the face of chaos and malevolence
9:20
Next time you see this over 30 sec. gesture, let me know.
Hey, he's a bit special. His brain is too powerful. Sometimes that gets in the way of his awareness. lol
i also love when hes talking about extracting things of a whole , and like holding a ball of air, and pulling out a part with is hand and grasp it, pushing the rest of air away ... its like he's a magician
its as if hes so deep in his thought he forgot he has hands haha
Haha, and the very beginning reminded me of this: thechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/dbfwt6x.gif?w=450&h=250
lol. maybe his arms were just resting lol
i would literally pay 80% of my money to sit with this man for a week to ask him about a lot of things that i have problems with
Minute 4 25 to 4 35 : this is what happenned when i was bullied at school in tunisia and my parents faked seeing it.
And i was badly teased in high school in Canada and my father said : " just pray " it was either he himself knew not what to do with it or he attempted refuse stealing the problem from me. With that in mind i remain thankful for the experience and note that there are times, a parent remains at a distance, and a son or daughter resolves the low/medium sometimes high level conflicts.
around him / her on their own.
Still i wish my parents had abstained refusing 7 times, to let me in on Karate course until i was 17 and away from them, in another city.
I allow myself that small regret. I can have that.
I still remain thankful for the opportunity to live alone and pay myself this self defense learning opportunity in September 2020, looking forward to it. Cool with me. Luck or little luck i will afford me this opportunity.
The words of this man are 1 of two reasons that changed my thoughts dramaticaly ! After lot of Study of his Videos and practical experience combined. My brain Switched and iam another man today than yesterday. To my dear friends who are watching JP s videos pls watch them over and over again think about his words over and over again even if you are not understanding them the 5th time. A day will come and your brain will switch ! I hope for you all !!!
I’m also experiencing a shif or a switch of a kind. N I also watch n listen to him attentively. So maybe it has to do with that.
THIS IS AS STUNNING A TEN MINUTES AS PROF JORDAN HAS DELIVERED! Many thanks!
It even made you shout in caps lock…
This can sound very intellectual, and not based in reality, but I have had time to think about it, come back to it etc. It makes a lot of sense in very real terms to the problems I have in my life right now. I guess it makes sense to a very broad group of people with different problems that are to do with growing up and finding a place in a very complex world. I say that as a man in my 40s, trying to 'grow up' now.
Cheekyboy5000.. Fact is growing up.. Gaining wisdom is perpetual.. I have a jist that you are doing a good job :-)
Jordan is a brilliant man
I didn't expect the anime outro but now that I've seen it along with Jordan Petersons presence I don't want to live without it.
The solution for the problem of tragedy and malevolence is the willingness to face them. The more you confront the two of them, the more you grow, and maybe you can grow so that you're actually larger than the chaos and malevolence itself.
When I needed it (12-13 years old), I learned very little from my parents as they were going through a very bad separation. I ended up living with my mother and her abusive, narcissistic, high-functioning alcoholic boyfriend. Back at home my dad thought me squat about life or how to navigate it, so my mothers boyfriend took it upon himself to "teach" me the "ways of the world". Disguised as an attempt to toughen me up, he'd cause all sorts of problems to either convince my mother I was trouble and discardable, or that I needed toughening up for the world, as I was too naive. In reality, what he was doing was trying to cause enough suffering and chaos that I'd take off back home in order to have my mother to himself. He saw me as a threat, just like all narcissists do. Running back home wasn't an option for me so I had to endure that until I was 18, then face the world with zero coping tools.
The act of facing the enemy involves evauating whether advance or retreat is more pragmatic. Victory in war is not in fighting battles that are suicidal.
You have to think tactically and strategically. Too much blind courage is a fatal error as is too.
much abject cowardice. JP never adresses tactics and strategy. His main theme is not to be bullied.
He is a great cheerleader for those resisting the postmodernist borg.
My only critique is that he does not go beyond standing up to tyranny and admit that sometimes you must reject confrontation to conserve resources--lose the battle in order to win the war.
I'm sure he knows this. Maybe.
he thinks this is too complex
for his audience and they need.
courage more than analysis for now.
San Juan
I agree. Sociopaths will bait others so that they can then judge your response- walk away and you're labelled a coward; confront them and you're a hair-trigger bully who can't take a "joke". Managerial bureaucracies are teeming with such individuals who kick down on those who work under them while sucking up to (and loathing) those above them. Peterson generally ignores the issue of the soul-destroying impact of both corporate and governmental bureaucracy (he has an academic career in a university, after all), preferring to believe that if you "choose" to hang on to a tree tightly enough, the tsunami won't carry you away. And if it does it's because you didn't clean your room...
In his latest Channel 4 interview, he perfectly demonstrated how to deal with a bully.
San Juan so you want him to be sun Tzu too?
In general,I don't have a response for the situation you described,but in my work,whenever anyone(including my own brother,which is quite the bully)puts me in the situation where I'm either a coward or a hair-trigger bully,I escape being either playing dumb and act that I was too focused on work to understand what they were talking about,or I outsmart them with a good response tailored to the situation,or I play them for laughs too,or I act humble and admit whenever flaw of myself they've mocked(such as being fat,or virgin,or slow,or stinky,etc...).
There was even a time a colleague of mine,one that mocked me the most,asked me If i didn't bother the bullying with me,and I said It's not manly to cry about bullying all the time,and confronting them or ignoring them is better.And as far as I know about sociopaths(I was on verge on becoming one before,I am quite a disagreable person with few to no empathy for anyone,and I did commit some heinous acts before),the best way to defeat them is to expose them,destroying their facades and showing what they truly are.Those people hate being "bare naked" to the people,and won't have the true humility to admit their flaws and sins in the areas they want to admit the least.
For example,there's me again.As you can see in these paragraphs,I value manliness,and I prefer to bear bullying and be publicly shamed for petty things(mostly about my appearance) than to be called out as a coward or a crybab.Aadmitting I've been a coward or a crybaby in some situations is the hardest thing for me to admit.It's easier for me to even admit I've commited a crime.
Strategy and Tactics are central to winning.
This is the most resonating speech i've ever seen. I can say that, based on my experience, this is indeed true.
Thank you Dr Peterson for making sense of so many things. You make us wise because you share your wisdom. I think your videos are the ones I listened to more than any other. They do provide stability for me.
Im learning allot from Dr. Peterson.
What's a playground?
- uuh... a place where you go to have fun?
- NO, IT'S MALEVOLENCE AND CHAOS
- okay then...
- HAVE EVER HEARD ABOUT LOBSTERS????
(It's just a joke, i love JP's lectures)
the "x" gesture @ 6:38. priceless
Jordan Peterson teachings have changed my life, it’s brought me closer to God, it’s helped me not be so timid, it’s helped me deal with trauma.
Critical thinking is so important and too many people don't like to use it. It is truly important for you through life's challenges.
Jordan “The playground is a complex place” Peterson
It’s complex as it contains different people with different ideologies.
and to others... its just another Saturday where they think they're hot shit
That kid walking in shortly after 8:00 missed some deep stuff.
"Hey, what did I miss?"
"Uhh.. the battle of chaos vs order... some stuff about the collapse of European culture.... catastrophes... solver of problems.."
haha
😂😂
He was being malevolent and testing JP's composure... He's JPs student afterall... He knows what he's doing
What’s up with the music in the end? OMG! After such a beautiful intellectual discussion. Please take note of that.
I think it’s hilarious to be honest. Seeing JP with all the Anime Characters lmao
God damn that's exactly what I'm doing through right now
Jordan Peterson is a real gem. 💎
Thanks for this video of J Peterson without a bullying title that says he reduced someone to pieces.
“DESTROYED” hahahs
“You are a paralized rabbit in a hole” - brilliant!
This has had me speechless. Just wow
Never steal someone's problem by removing from them the opportunity to solve their problem. Don't protect someone at the cost of them being able to protect themselves.
pff.....i m glad i dont have kids.....i think its very difficult ro raise kids well
A life lived in comfort is a life half lived
That's pure Buddhism what he's saying. Amazing.
Miss this old version of Jordan Peterson allot. When he primarily stuck to psychology and criticized both the left and right
Though the music at the end was a bit abrupt and annoying, it was a big surprise to see Grimmer-san there. Great character and awesome series.
Wow!! Jordan Peterson is at it again.
I love this
I can't say that I fully understand all that you are trying to explain. I have been sheltered--actually as a child I would withdraw and shelter myself. As I grew older, I found that that malevolence sometimes chases you down. I still don't run out to find it, but it does occasionally find me in my hiding place. And yes, now that I am becoming more and more a senior adult, I have found it within me too..the desire for revenge can be strong. Something no one who relishes self pity and identifies as a victim like to discover about themselves. So, I am not justified in seeking vengeance for myself if I don't allow vengeance towards myself. (It's the struggle between justice and mercy. I can't show mercy unless I realize that mercy is being show to me.)
So, how do I find protection from malevolence (the conflict between knowing (experiencing) both good and evil in this life-even within myself. Well, being a Christian, I hide myself (Psalm 91) in believing that God is both just and merciful. That he is the only "good" judge who alone can administer both justice and mercy. I believe my life here on earth is only temporal, but I have eternal in a much better place (that ideal world) because Jesus Christ took upon himself the vengeance of God due me (because of my malevolence towards others-my sin). Now God can be merciful towards me. Also, realize that while I am alive in this temporal world, I will suffer both good and evil. I seek God's wisdom (James 3:17). The only reason I still exist in this world is to be a witness to His glory and goodness. (Colossians 1:24-29) I no longer seek vengeance (Romans 12:17-19) or expect justice from those who do not know they need mercy. I do seek to do good by treating others justly, showing mercy when I can and being humbled by knowing that I am not better than the persons to whom I am giving these graces. (Micah 6:8)
These excerpts are priceless.
Interesting argument against over-protection, but then the question arises whether Buddha's beginning in an over-protected childhood had any influence over his later ability to achieve enlightenment when faced with the challenges of the world
It depends on Buddha's Karma at the time - another person raised in the same situation may have just become a great king instead.
Only if you become aware of it. We are all in a sphere of protection, if we see it or not.
Sure his childhood played a part, but the point being made is eventually the world must be dealt with. A retreat into full protection is protection against growth.
Man I wish I could take one of his classes
As always great Jordan Peterson! You Don t steel the problem 👍
Bravo
Great point made. At some point you can't advice your children because of your own limitations. Better raise your children to learn to trust themselves, problemsolving abbilities and their creativity. You have to be able as a parent to allow your children to raise above yourself, that actualy should be the goal. But at the same time that is hard for allot of pearents as that will give them the Idea they are losing responsability over them.
This is a beautiful 10 min clip.
Dude! The outro is too loud man. Please, a little quieter. Thank you for uploading this video btw.
Thank you so much
Profound!
Thank you so much!
_"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."_
- John Philpot Curran
Thank you for today's lesson, Internet-sensei ^_^
i cannot thank you enough mr.peterson.....
no sacrifice no victory
I feel like the world needs this right now!
The obstacle is the way.
When he said “adaptive competence” I felt that
TAKE IT ON ‼️‼️‼️
Here in Australia, people have absolutely no clue that running from the problem by demanding a strong state is totally busting their ability to function as a society
Love this guy wow what a mind.
How annoying is that when some student enters (or leaves) in the middle of the discussion?
Phellippe Marques not only that when the idiot came in late that’s when all the noise started... the desk rattling and the fidgeting. You could’ve heard a pin drop up until the point that guy came in late and then all his noise was so irritating so disrespectful he should’ve just gotten up and left or been asked to leave.
Thanks for uploading these clips. Can you also put a link to the full video from where the clips were taken from? Thanks
The source link has been added!
But at the end, we are all so different beside similar to use simple terms, even complex ones. That's the beauty, that no matter how many structures we build, there is a boundless world.
i'm a paralyzed rabbit in a hole... that's what i'll be saying at the next fancy dress party
shake that shit off, own the party. ask 50 girls for their numbers in a day. I believe in you fam
Expose Yourself to Malevolence-
I did and she called the cops.
Now I have an ankle monitor.
he speaks from the core of thıs beıng
7:53 to 8:39 is absolute gold, had to keep rewatching it. So much wisdom in 46 seconds. I've been looking for this as a counter to my nihilism for so damn long...
Do not STEAL their problem. Profound as fuck, not only in problem-solving and helping others, but for me in terms to combat rumination and negative thinking. Do not go searching for problems, unless you’re willing to fix them!
I THINK HE MAKES THINGS BE MORE COMPLICATED THAT THEY REALLY ARE...
6:39 I resumed the vid instead of writing my essay and JP like: NO LOL guess im gonna go write my essay
instinctively we all know what he s saying only he can put it very well....im alwas amazed how much intelligence there is on this planet and how little we seem to make use of that intelligence in society.....
Get moral support wherever you can find it. Humans are not the only sentient species.
Every word he says matters!
The message here is strong.
His end point really sparked my curiosity. I wonder what that system would look like. Where we are able to utilize people's potential at a higher degree. I want to work on that now.
As long as bored people continue to gossip there will always be unnecessary pain and strife. they thrive on it.
You are 100 correct. It is also true that folks who gossip will always be among us, so the idea is to ignore and let your life answer their wagging tongues in a way that nullifies every reckless indictment they cast upon you.
A couple micro doses of mushrooms and a days worth of jordan peterson talking will literally change your life from the foundation!!!
In my experience macro doses (heroic ) is in away like a Jordan Peterson lecture but with much more going on ,and if you lose focus can go hey wire quick ....so it's probably much safer and more retainable to listen to him speak ...and micro doses help digest what he says better
Haha what the f*** that was me when I was 14 lol
Thank you sir. It's like the undertaker said the crazy brave or fake tough.
Absolutely brilliant.
This is the best one.
god this person should be made the president of our planet, it's just about time..... no leader can be so articulate and compassionate
Somehow someway someday
I believe I'll escape these created hells
I must.
I know I will
@@Ray2311us
Yes I know You Will & So too Will I 💪🦁👑
Too much order is catastrophic as well. When people don't want unnecessary problems in life, they encounter catastrophe.
I can corroborate the effects of it has on someone to steal their problem (~6:00); and this is something that I see so many parents doing with their children and people with each other in general―and it doesn't help, in fact it is detrimental!
It can be quite a challenge to help someone learn to be a problem solver, thinking they've done it all on their own even if that is not initially 100% true.
The last part is such a big life-hack jeez i'm happy i stumbled upon this
Been overexposed to malevolence.
Same 😢
1:25
Not just Europe..
"It's the insufficiency of all potential conceptual schemes..." Does that mean we will never discover the theory of everything?
Wow it's like he's talking to me in that first minute. I used to be super religious, but once I realized it was all just sillyness, my belief in bielf systems in general collapsed. So interesting.
both of my parents are overprotective and life has been hell for me so far.
Who's listening to this #lockdown
1st May #2020.
We need to protest. U.k
stop trying to save the future, be a hero in the present
How Ironic to see that the advertisement that played before this video was for a grammar-tool that corrects everything you misspell as you are writing it.