Dr. Jordan Peterson - "Self-Deception in Psychopathology"
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- Dr. Jordan Peterson, just one of four speakers from the "Mind Matters: Toward a New Understanding of Psychopathology" conference, held on Saturday March 19, 2011, gives a talk on "Self-Deception in Psychopathology."
Information about the conference: What does it mean for the mind to be pathological? What criterion should we use to diagnose and categorize people as mentally ill? Can there be alternative models of psychopathology other than the medical model? If so, what are they? This conference presents a series of discussions, as well as an open panel debate, regarding the development and comparison of different conceptions of psychopathology.
This conference was organized by the U of T Jungian Society and the Buddhism & Psychology Students Union. The following are recognized for their generous support: Arts and Science Student Union, Paradigms & Archetypes Program, Buddhism, Psychology and Mental Health Program, and New College.
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Sometimes when listening to Jordan I burst out laughing. Not because of a joke, but because of an understanding I have just received.
I've had the same thing occur multiple times. I tend to burst out laughing at myself for having a dearly held belief that Peterson shatters with profundity, and you know he's right. I end up kind of laughing at myself.
Same thing here. I laugh, not because it's funny....but because once stated, it's so obvious...and I've never thought of it on my own. And I never would.
Satori! It's hilarious self realization. The cosmic chuckle. Congratulations! ✨😂✨
All. The. Time. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
I bolt around , like someone poked me really hard.
1:19 The problem of Categorization 8:47 The purpose of categorization 11:18 What is mental illness? 18:03 What is mental health? 23:00 Causal factors, right levels of analysis 29:09 An alternative model of psychopathology 34:19 Single mindedness and addiction 40:39 Medieval conceptions of psychopathology 46:56 Self-deception, inauthenticity, repression, ignorance 1:04:16 The relationship between mental illness and the balance of chaos and order 1:09:31 Questions and answers
Maybe my favorite comment ever
MVP
Viktor Karlsson not all heroes wear capes
That's being pretty damn useful. You qualify for top lobster.
@@armoredgirl7564 Truly the hero we do not deserve!
"you can kill people with excess kindness just as you can kill them with excess agression" true that!
Luna L sure is
Word.
"Too much love will kill you, just as sure as none at all." Freddie Mercury
Wreckof theHesperas define what you mean by too much love.
Oxygen kills us also while giving life.
This dude is the Hendrix of talking.
Weird comparison.
I love Hendrix, it's so true
What do you see are the similarities? What traits does he share with Hendrix, in your opinion?
Its an anology
I think DrJBPs' speech seems kindof improvised but very articulate, like Hendrixs' guitar playing, and the ability to keep talking/playing continuously while keeping it interesting and various. Philosophically and lyrically I think there are similarities, especially J Hendrixs later songs revolved around themes like communication, humanity, perception, justice, freedom (songs like Freedom and Straight Ahead are good examples.) Musically and tonally, the speech is sophisticated but also expressive and/or excited/exciting and content is covered in an air of humour and humility, willingly vulnerable to being proven wrong or to have another argument/question be heard and given space, just as JHendrixs held-back to let other musicians solo/riff. Being the hendrix of talking complicated based on what level you see Hendrix on, a shallow perspective sees: "a rockstar, virtuoso, turned loose by fame, money, partying and drugs, which took his life in the end" but a more close look at the history and what his views and opinions were and who he had got caught up with shows him to be: "a very kind and polite person who was also very trusting, which got him into situations with ill-intended people who milked his work and probably are the same ones who killed him in his NYC apartment after he went his own way. His last concerts were at Peace Festivals in Hawaii and Western Europe which were attacked by motorbike gangs." There are many differences, huge differences, and the similarities are interesting, but depends what aspect or level of DrJBP and JHendrix
"We're not willing to take the ethical bull by the horns... Human health is a matter of moral action." Dr JP is a human language engineer... Putting into words the things that live in our minds.
1:08
An eloquent one at that.
a, MEME.
He’s rambling. He’s basically doing what is essentially pseudo intellectual stream of consciousness which basically amounts to absolutely nothing. Well I think it’s cute is that he seems to almost touch upon some pretty logical parts… Then he will pivot and start the stream of consciousness bullshit all over again. It’s not surprising that this man is mentally unwell. I mean look at him. His shirt is wrinkled his hair is disheveled he’s got the dead look in his eyes he’s constantly gesticulating with his hands while rambling incoherently. And just because he sprinkles some academic jargon and verbosity within his stream of consciousness doesn’t mean that his points are valid or even remotely relevant.
Not to mention his arrogance is quite telling. He dismisses things that he doesn’t agree with as “rubbish“ and here’s the thing… He doesn’t prove as to why he views what he doesn’t agree with as “rubbish”.
It’s hilarious to me that people actually think he’s an intellectual or even remotely intelligent. I’ve worked in a psych ward. This man would definitely be a patient in a psych ward.
"Harvard psychiatrist Robert Coles went so far as to speculate in 1967 that there would never be an “end to mental illness” due to advances in medical research - because 'mental illness’ (he himself put the words in quotation marks) was 'a social problem involving the family, the nursery, the neighborhood, the nation and its economic or political condition.' To treat the sickness of the individual, psychiatrists had first to concede the sickness in society." -Michael E. Staub, Madness is Civilization: Psyco Politics and Postwar America
yep, the majority hold a corrupt ideology that does nothing to teach them the tools to rational ground their minds to reality objectively or honestly. Sort delusion from reality, sort the subjective from the objective. This is indeed the truth.
The myth of mental illness by Thomas S Szasz is worth reading.
I would add that "cluster B" is THE problem of humanity. ALL other so-called 'mental illness' would simply melt away as we would compassionately 'tend to our own'...
@@anonone2175 he Szasz is excellent
Except personality disorders are most likely caused by functional problems in organs in the brain or the brain itself.
Free speech hero and intellectual. Nobel prize for you.
Deplorable Bias massive loads to the face for you.
Dr Peterson is worthy of the highest awards, but after the Nobel prize was awarded to Obama, that award lost all respect in my opinion
Hate to break this to you.
But he is a rambling crank.
He is mentally unwell.
With humility I consider myself intelligent however I would give my right arm to be able to coordinate my thought s into speech with such fluidity as Jordan. It is absolutely fascinating to watch.
He put in decades of deep thought and ongoing practice sorting out, formulating, teaching, scrutinizing, applying, expanding and refining his ideas. Just one arm chopped off, even given to the devil, won't buy you that kind of living skill. It's a mastery issue.
Sonja Waringer yea it's like he spent his whole life working through these issues. He put in all the hard work and here is the outcome. Concise and greatly constructed arguments that he's thought through so much to where he has an answer to whatever it may be that one argues. It's admirable. He truly is a great man, and will definitely be one of the greats along with Nietzsche, Sartre and Camus when it comes to existentialism.
you really must be challenged.Try reading.
And he's considered an idiot, academically. I wonder what you'd give up for a real intellectual? Lol
@@madprole5361 this is a silly comment, but you’re subscribed to Sam the Cooking guy so I’ll excuse it.
What a find! After listening to him for 1 min I realised I was not prepared to absorb so much meaningful content so eloquently put, so I looked for a book of his. After reading 2 short sentences from his book, I had to think about it for 10 min and had mind blown. What a find!! Thank you!
Hi! What book?
Mycompany Ech he's probably talking about maps of meaning. It's a very dense tome. His new book "12 rules for life" is very thoughtful too. I'm only about halfway through because I keep stopping just to think and absorb.
@@IAmJeka 12 rules of life
Somehow I do better hearing than reading.
Amazing!
I think in the years to come, Dr. Peterson may ne viewed as a historical figure.
The facist, socialist and communist of the Leftist organizations control the university and the media, so it will never happen.
@@scottholley4712 History is not written by the Media, and history is not written immediately but regarding the effect on the world. His effect is being and will be great, so it is quite possible that he becomes a historical figure
(and the Left doesn't control the university, the Left is the university. Temperamentally, most scientists of every field, musicians, writers Silicon Valley entrepreneurs are overwhelmingly Liberal. Peterson explains it in one of his lectures about intelligence and creativity).
I will remember him for one quote.
"I can't......"
One can hope
@@diogenesofsinope1638 Not one person in the public sphere will ever address the JQ, it's social and political suicide and they have careers to maintain. That doesnt mean that what Peterstein has to say isnt useful. Just take with a pinch of salt
1:04:27 - 1:05:36
One minute and 9 seconds, but a lifetime worth of valuable information right there.
Immensly, immensly insightful and valueable. The thus far has been leading up to that moment. I love so much, that he often gives a resolution to the problems he identifies.
Kierke Gaard z
ya take responsibility and pay attention
Kierke Gaard Thank you.
00:00:01 - 1:23:03 was my favorite part.
I don't throw the "F" word around lightly but this is fucking brilliant.
That's a great fucking comment 😊👏👏
sorry for my bad english, but this lecture is a fucking!
This is fucking great in 2021
Brilliant man. Super human being. You can fake alot of things in this world, but this man cares about the problems we face
Boy just found this and it's made me realise all the stuff Dr Peterson has had to go through has aged him over the last 8 years. I hope everyone who supports him lets him know.
perk, for whatever reason he failed to impress me.
Let him know what? That he's aged? I'm sure he'll value that input.
I think he's gotten hotter as he has aged. He looked so boyish in his early videos. But his recent videos he looks like he has come into his manhood. And I personally like a man with strong character. Tammy is one lucky woman!
Yes
@@darkmaitri What he's saying is not meant to put him down. No one is saying whether he looks hotter or not.
He is saying that he has sacrificed a lot in the past 8 years and it shows in his face. We should be appreciative of his efforts in standing up to the mob and continuing to share his knowledge with us.
Stress accelerates aging. And he seems to have aged quite a bit in just 8 years.
It's the truth. No need to sugarcoat it.
I feel like you are the same person to tell an obese woman that she looks just fine and doesn't need to change her diet or exercise. Or tells a very short guy that he is not disadvantaged when it comes to dating.
Lying to people in order to make them feel better, hurts them in the long run.
Yes ... stressors have aged me quickly too. Aging quickly is not about the aesthetic ; one can still be attractive but about the underlying stressors that are physically evident and one commiserates. Dr Peterson is an ongoing marvel continuing to improve countless lives.
Oh man, I've just watched 'Jordan Peterson: Existentialism | Authenticity' straight to this and it is heavy man; I've never listened so intently in a long, long time, it felt like the whole world fell silent because there were some profound truths being spoken.
"human health is a matter of moral action, more than anything else"
As an alternative health care provider, i can affirm this statement as factual in my experience.
Don't forget nutrition. High carb low fat diets weakens brain function. Drug/Alcohol use further erodes mental function.
@@TheCarrifaery I affirm this as well, as a nurse.
This is bullshit. Human health is impacted by systemic problems within society more than imaginary moral actions. We respond to the stresses of our outside world and the negative impacts those can have on our mental as well as physical health. Take Peterson for example. He responded to the pressures of the outside world by becoming addicted to benzodiazepines. And instead of exercising some kind of moral action by getting sober and getting help for his addiction he decided to flee to Russia to be put in a medically induced coma. As of anything following his rationale I would say that indicates a moral failing. And I would be very careful about following the ramblings of a man who tries to prop himself up as some kind of paragon of moral virtue when he fails to exercise that moral virtue himself.
@theQuestion626 I left this comment 6 yrs ago when I came across of JBP and at the time he was the only one talking about many of the things I was thinking about but I agree with what you said here 100% and I've definitely changed my mind about him a LOT! And even though I still like to listen to his "teachings"(aka remblings packaged in a way to appear it must be "moral&true",lol), there are so many times I find him going into the wrong direction or completely missing the point...Thanks for your comment! Appreciate it👍
Damn, this guy is smart!
If he's not already getting paid every time he opens his mouth, he should be.
Gifted & inspired
Wow... Just wow... I've been saying for years that it's like having a monster in my skull that's clawing against the inside and it says to hell with everything, I want to do the drugs and anything else self destructive that I often do/did (I am trying to better myself, step by step). I've adressed this numerous times to therapists I've had/have and they've never even acknowledged these feelings or thoughts. It's comforting to hear this.
I am more fearful of those who haven't admitted their own capacity for evil than those who have contemplated, confronted and integrated the evil within. In fact, the latter tend to be a much more soothing presence.
Hare Krishna yes I know how you feel and yes we are all spiritual beings on a journey and unfortunately we are in a beautiful nightmare world and we learn from our experiences of suffering like the Archetypal Hero trapped in the dark sinister dungeon
Don't ever doubt your ability to become better. You must continue to strive for a better part of you, and also be willing to let go of things that hold you back or blind you on your journey to embracing your true potential. Don't allow your old thoughts to trick you into believing you can't do what is necessary, you can, we are all given the will to make our place in this world exactly what we want it to be. I have noticed that when I am doing different things to grow as a person, to become a better, more affective, and knowledgeable person, I seem to have many stumbling blocks littering my path out of nowhere. I recognize this as a spiritual darkness that doesn't want me to attain the wisdom and fortitude to withstand the meaningless bullshit, stress and heartache. By recognizing all of the above, I have found it gets easier most of the time, when I take a good look within myself and see that I have come a long way from where I started. Always take time to look at how far you have made it from where you began in your journey. Be grateful for your progress, embrace hardship, and most of all remember, WHAT DOESN'T KILL YOU, MAKES YOU STRONGER!
Have you gone to 12 step anonymous programs? They should help battle those impulses
@@kayligo
Oh, I'm in a better position now than I was 3 years ago.
What happens when a family structure is so rigid - but "appears" to be relaxed and accepting - but because of the "no talk rule" and the cutting off of the actualized individual is a form of growth stifling. Many of the "children" who are grown appear as infantile and resume old roles when visiting the family - they in fact never grow up. The family like that is essentially a cult.
You have stand up for yourself and fight back in order to force the cult to accept your self growth. I speak from experience.
I see my family in your description. What I have realized is that life is really messy. Especially when things aren't take care of. When the relationships haven't been straightened out, psychological baggage dealt with, self actualization haven't been made.
Personality Disorders are created.
The females are messing us all up by inverting things and they just don't care
this really is one of the best speeches about psychology ever made
Something tells me you're trustworthy
@@HomeMadeHairGel something tells me to trust you when you say something tells you I'm trustworthy
Jordan Peterson, is a man that will be recognised historically as very special, it is very rare to have a man come into this world who has such deep thinking coupled with humanity and love for humanity, when i listen to him i see a genuine man who cares for humanity, I can listen to him for hours and i can say he has changed my core beliefs , i feel i am a much more nicer and grounded person as a consequence L
I think he’s the most important thinker of our time
😂
You changed your core beliefs. Angels are here to shake things up 😮
Well said! He has changed my life for the better for sure! I value him
Jordan Peterson is recognized by actual people with sense as a crank, a grifter, and also a fascist. Virtually his entire career has imploded and he is now a provocateur for the daily wire. He will not be remembered as the intellectual that he pretends to be. He will be remembered as just another crank with a sinister agenda and an audience of the gullible and the vulnerable.
9 years ago and he’s got “quite the reputation”. The young lion.
Nine years ago and now his reputation is in the shit. He is now a mouthpiece for the daily wire. Oh and he also suffered a significant mental decline because of his benzodiazepine addiction and the medically induced coma he was placed in. Did you also know that prior to becoming a psychologist he was a morbid alcoholic? Yeah from the ages of 14 to 25 he was a drunk. And not surprising he rambles and talks in circles like he’s drunk though he’s completely sober. He is what is known as a dry drunk.
I love the way he ended it: rants, throws up his hands, and says, "alright, well, that's good enough!"
what a gift to humanity, I feel sorry for the people who refuse to find the value in his words.
That's like saying you feel sorry for the blind people who REFUSE to see colors.
We don't choose our filters and biases. Of course you can feel sorry for Jordan's haters, but "REFUSE" might be the wrong way to think about it.
That's because all what he's doing is telling a unidimensional authoritative orientation of how to live one's life which is based on nothing but ABSOLUTE HONESTY morality.
But the problem with that philosophy is that it's just not how the real social world works. It's not just using the *ORDER* in order to extinguish the *"Chaos"* . Because sometimes one needs to use the *"CHAOS"* in a creative way, that's what the feminine archetype that Artists use in order to produce a meaningful "masterpiece". Because "flexibility" means the ability to stand between *"CHAOS"* & *"ORDER"* ☯️
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There's a huge number of otherwise very intelligent people who get explosively resentful, envious and jealous of Peterson simply because listening to him opens their eyes to where all and how and why they failed to actualise their own considerable intelligence and knowledge. And thats a hard bitter truth to swallow so its easier to hate him.
who said we don't get to choose our filters and biases , we have some will to detect and solve our problems@@hookdump
@@hookdump Blind people dont see colors because they dont see anything. People who hate what Peterson says are usually people who understand what he is saying but because of their own personal bias choose to disagree with what he says despite the value of what he is saying. So the analogy you used doesnt apply here. He didn't say he felt sorry for people who refuse to understand his words, but people who refuse to find value in them. There is a difference.
This talk pulled me back from the brink some years ago. Powerful ideas... listen carefully.
Amen
It's strange that it took the likes of social justice warriors to bring Dr Peterson to peoples attention because I never thought I'd ever have to thank those regressive twits for anything.
Hear here!!
It's that case when listening to your enemy might turn out to be more useful than you think.
You pay attention to what he says ^ :)
+Serdiuk Paul Dr. Peterson actually makes a statement about that response you had.
It's during a brief discussion about yin and yang, or chaos and order.
He says something like; "people who don't stray from their security won't find the security contained within chaos.
Preach
I'll never not look at my ignored and cluttered desk the same.
Same.
A true scholar and gentleman
Trigger Dawning Lou Weeze, is that you??
thankyou !..oh...you meant Dr Peterson...not me...
A Canadian gentleman able to connect, on point. "You tube?" has given him such versatility! I Love you Jordan!!!
He is no scholar. He's a bad joke.
@@madprole5361 did you listen to the whole lecture?
This is amazing. I wish I could see the slides too. This might be one of my favourite JP lectures yet.
Brilliance.. just brilliance. every time i watch him, this man is beyond any psychologist.
He's an intellectual laughing stock who's fans are mostly fascist dude bros.
What specifically does he say that is incorrect? I’ve heard this statement regarding Dr Peterson before, but it seems to come from people who disagree with him ideologically not because he is wrong about psychology or history. Seems like a rather lazy and banal criticism.
@@madprole5361 what intellectuals are laughing at him? Name one. Many of the famous intellectuals of our time, including Richard Dawkins who I imagine you're a fan of, admire him.
There's no such thing as a fascist dude bro. You can't be a dude and bro and manifest fascism. For a dude champions individualism with a chill disposition and a brother loves the brethren.
Exactly nothing Jordan says fits into the rubric of fascism, not a single utterance.
@@madprole5361 You don't even have an original opinion. You just parrot what your fellow idiots tell you to.
@@Willzyx88 Name one? Zizek. Lol Most don't waist their time on Randean esque cults anymore. And no, I'm not a fan of Dawkins and the New Atheist crew. You should really just look into fascism for like 4 min to see what you said is amusingly wrong. Fascists are the ultimate dude bros. Lol
Gotta love his editorial comments "stupidest idea in the last 2000 years."
And to close "I thought for 20 years I was going to get fired, and it never happened."
This is a fantastic lecture--one of his best. His compilation of speeches is vast (and wonderful), so to be one of the best is really something.
Agreed 👍
Agree. Thanks.
I have no idea why I'm crying but I know it's something very deep and that I've ignored and this wonderful man and the few there are like him that are struggling to find the words to explain to us these things so we don't die is just so awesome I thank you Mr. Peterson for all your hard work. I have 2 men in my life that has mentored me and coached me with such patience and love that I know they will be called great in the kingdom of heaven thank you for showing me that duty and responsibility is the way to go even if it's a heavy load or you've put off things because once you decide to move in that direction God makes it so that it is bearable and even helps. Thank you so much I can't explain to you how grateful I am for you. I've never met you however you have impacted my life for the better. This one lecture has healed things in me and helped me to move in faith. You are awesome !
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Vicky? You should be crying because you’re falling for the ramblings of a crank. He’s not telling you anything of validity or relevance. However I will say the parts that he does touch upon our parts that have been touched upon by other philosophers sociologists anthropologist and psychologists far better than him. If you really want someone to really explain psychological elements I would recommend anything by Eric Fromm or Albert Ellis. I would also recommend American journalist Chris hedges.
Jordan Peterson is basically lying to you. He is a mentally unwell man whom hides a sinister fascist agenda behind articulate verbosity and passionate stream of consciousness rhetoric. Do you know who does search things in similar fashion? Cultists.
"Human health is a matter of moral action perhaps more than it's a matter of anything else."
This was just brilliant, brilliant beyond any bs pinkish world depictions.
"appalling beyond belief" this is something he says very often I love it omg
Gulags are appalling beyond belief.
This is one of those incredibly interesting and engaging lectures that you wish would never end. Brilliant.
They changed something in the matrix several times during his presentation...
Ha!
Nice reference 😏
I thought I was going crazy
I noticed this too.
a ‘glitch in the matrix’ perhaps! ;)
Jordan Peterson's lectures are so jam-packed with information that is useful, that I listen to them in bits and pieces. It's fast and furious, and I like his drive, but gosh.... I need breaks ; )
"The family systems people localize pathology in the family, and they think about the individual as a unit in a dynamical system that's composed of the family. And I have clients who are no way near insane as their family is--but they're the people who've been targeted with mental illness, because that's convenient for everyone involved. Right? It's really annoying if all six of you are crazy because, you know, you're never gonna get out of that. So its often convenient to identify the noisiest complainer as the psychopathological individual and to scapegoat them. Then of course they look like they're ill too, because they're so bloody stressed that they fall apart in four different ways. But the locale of the problem isn't actually in them, even though they're part of the system that's not functioning properly. Even though you can make them feel better by giving them anti-depressants, well at least sometimes (and that's because they have non-specific effects)."
Yup. He's genius.
Well he suffers from depression and so does his daughter people stigmatized mental illness as "crazy" but some people are just moody to varied degrees for various reasons. Some people take after one parent more than another too which causes conflict I took more after my Father for example and my Mother resented that they split up when I was young too but still always the snide remarks about how philosophical I am and where did I get that from etc. Since I have two older brothers she probably expected her little girl to just go shopping and gossip with her and I had little interest in doing either I just liked listening to music and reading books more like Dad than her he built things and was more creative than her too.
Actually had to see if I had written this or not...spot on brother!
Holy shit............... I came to hear Jordan speak and wind up reading a passage about my family dynamic. I was diagnosed Manic-Depressive at 14, a few months after watching "One flew over the coo coo's nest!"
I didn’t finish high school and wasn’t a very good student but since I have been listening to this man I believe I have learnt more from him then my entire schooling.
Thank you Jordan Peterson
Learnt
Do not hide unwanted things in the fog.
I love this, I've been doing this by "self medicating" for DECADES. Thanks Doc Peterson for putting this out there....Well said!
Did you sort yourself out yet? 2 years since you made the comment, I'm curious to know.
@@BenetbenetLive How has the last year treated you?
@@WanderingBrushArt years been alright, nothing special. Hbu
This guy saved my life...
45:00 He just casually threw out a story about a guy seeing the devil sitting at his bedside and falling into a psychosis and just said "that's a lot more common than you'd think". There's some food for thought.
I am not psychotic nor have I ever taken a drug in my life, but when I was being terrorised by my family, I hallucinated a small devil, over the side of the bed. It only lasted a split second. I was rescued, and I've never had a repeat performance.
After getting a degree in psychology and then not being able to complete my Master’s degree, this is so fascinating and I love it. Thank you for leaving this up here. I’ve only had one professor that was brilliant and this is my favorite subject. Amazing insight.
I’m in the same boat. Can’t get enough of this type of material. Makes me want to finish my masters. Only took two masters courses after bachelors, one of which was an educational psychology course. Great course partially because of the professor.
I think that Jordan was profound in the way that he explained the inner and outer psychodynamic patterns that categorize how the human psyche manifests negatively. Much of it is a direct result of moral and ethical depravity within ourselves and the relationships that we have with others. The sad and ironic part about it is, it's like a social norm but at the same time a taboo because we are not willing to stand up for what we know is right morally and ethically and know our rights as human beings! The intensity in his way of communicating and conveying it to make us understand was so heavy that I felt the energy pulsing through my device. Awesome Jordan and thank you!
Just wanted to say thank you to Dr. Peterson for helping me find my place and purpose in the world. In a lot of ways I'm still searching. But I have aimed at something( a star)...moved towards it, and reconfigured my course as I get closer to it. I havn't literally cleaned my room yet, but I've tried learning and applying little micro routines, making sure I eat somewhat healthily, having little micro routines, and generally not letting anyone get in the way of my goals (I'm fairly disagreeable). I went from a nihilistic 20 something with no job, no education, and extreme depression to working, attaining my college degree, finally about to move out of my house to an apt (with my girlfriend who also live at home), and feeling pretty God damned unstoppable. All I had to do was try. And I still have an extreme amount to do and work on. Fuck yeah!!
Congrats man. Keep it going
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How wonderful! Amazing. Dr. Peterson is such an amazing person. You're proof!
I have listened to this very intently while going on an hour long walk outside. In class, whrn I was a you lad, I could not even pay attention to my teachers for 20 minutes straight.
This man has totally changed my life. Ive spent hours and hours listening to him and ive faced a pretty big shadow, developed my personality. Understand trauma and how to work through it. How to parent, how to deal with malevolence and how to be brave on face of it. He made sense of my religious upbringing i can go on and on. So greatful i have the opportunity to listen to his lectures because id never have access to this level of education without it, i find reading hard as dyslexic but this is the best way for me to tk in the information. He should win some kind of award for his way of educating the masses at all levels in society.
"Your head is either your brain or your psyche, both of which fit uncomfortably in the same skull" there's all sorts of little one or two sentence gems like this throughout his lectures that blow your mind on their own
I can't believe how much valuable information this man delivers... It's so hard to have access to such a level of knowledge and truthfulness today. Probably very few people on earth, and Peterson is one of them
Dude is a bad fascist joke laughed at by real academics. 🤣
@@looperbirhinger7043 a credible academic. Something he is not. He's more of youtube personality and cult leader to the alt right and incels. He likes to rant about all sorts of things he couldn't even be bothered to wiki. He's like a modern day Rand; what stupid people think smart people sound like.
@@looperbirhinger7043 you want me to post some random academic and article? There's no point and YT isn't exactly set up for that. Lol 😆 Your bar for genius is excruciatingly low.
@@looperbirhinger7043 just one? Zizek, whom he radically failed against in their debate. Lol Also, Zizek did that as they are both popular public figures and to shut down his absurdist claims. Academics don't really take him seriously enough to waste their time refuting. That task is better left to YT philosophers. Lol
@@looperbirhinger7043 and I'm not even a big fan of Zizeks. Lol
The man has a courage that is contagious. A very dangerous man. They will try to destroy him.
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, Peterson, Hopkins, Some Black Guy, Tucker C., Gutfeld......on deck-Kanye, Chance the Rapper....uh oh! People thinking for themselves-How novel.
No. God is on his side
In case anyone forgot:
Income Taxation is still theft
ok Milo lol jp but Milo warned him in the strangest way
I worry about that a great deal. Let's pray that it doesn't happen. But he's aware of this and is taking *some precautions.
This man has been instrumental in my personal,rhetorical,philosophical,and theological development.
@49:00 this one minute of examples:
1. made me start laughing out loud in a formal office, as if I were listening to Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock live (but this is *not* comedy).
2. made me think, "Is this stuff in a handbook somewhere? That's the recipie my spouse deployed, which nearly erased me entirely."
3. Then expanded vertically, "Wait, that's my childhood, my father's upbringing-by-absence, the training making me suitable for endless abuse I'd misunderstand as a call to caretaking.
20:30 "Freud concentrated on psychopathology... Jung by contrast concentrated on individuation, which was form of moral development as a marker of mental health"
Actually finding out that Panic Attacks were common helped me tremendously in my teens. Realizing I wasn't going crazy, and knowing it was fairly common helped. I would get them without any discernible trigger also, so I couldn't figure out what was causing them. Come to find out, I was completely unaware of underlying stress, is that I apparently have a high tolerance for it, that this stress was building up which resulted in a release all at once. Before I would have a Panic Attack just wondering if I would have a Panic Attack. I finally got all of that under control, but being aware of what was happening surely helped me get to a place of no more Panic Attacks and much more.
This lecture changed my life
Thanks for posting this life changing lecture. I needed this.
His most underrated lecture by far.
I miss this JP
Still love current JP
But I want more of this JP
The point on lying as a major cause of psychopathology is so true. Example: pathological narcissists, with their confabulations, embellishments and lying, and think about how others suffer from narcissistic abuse. Lying also eats narcissists from inside, hence their inescapable sense of inner emptiness.
My love for his wisdom and knowledge is undying. Thank you for helping me understand myself.
brilliant mind
I'm really encouraged to see that this kind of stuff is viewed so much. This stuff is incredibly useful and interesting
I love this man and his way of understanding what's goin on. So different and special and well-thought out.
Oh, yeah!! One of his best!People might think they’re reducing their internal entropy by avoiding dealing with the truth of their self/situation but they’re actually compounding it. Our society has been in an unspoken complicity of the avoidance of personal responsibility. This lack of accountability IS our social disease. Honestly should be given the highest value.
That’s it
Astoundingly brilliant. Thank you, JBP for sharing your wealth.
It's not the easiest thing to describe why Dr. Peterson has been so helpful to me but I think it's his ability to sum up and digest so much psychological information so quickly and articulate it so plainly that it helps organize all my personal baggage. Life is busy it's easier to just act without worrying so much about why. His lectures and books have been a sort of fast track into understanding myself. That is such a trite term but it really helps with regulating my emotions. If I'm mad I can analyze why I'm mad. And then determine if it is a valid response. It doesn't get rid of shame or guilt but it helps to trim it away if it is unnecessary.
I was nodding my head in approval and adoration during this whole presentation.
I fucking love this man. What a speech. Never heard this.
This man is so friggin brilliant. He's gonna go down in the history books as the Albert Einstein of Sociology, mark my words!
Wonderfully brilliant! Love JP's style of teaching. Pulls me in everytime. Like a great piece of music that never gets old.
Thank you always JP.
The final statements are astounding in their simplicity and accuracy. 🎯
I am quite amazed whenever I listen to Jordan, just how well articulated he is. Even when unprepared, he seems to be extremely economic with his words. I wish I could develop that level of verbal mastery.
Artists don’t prepare
"you are surrounded by ignorance. your perceptions are never accurate!" true that :)
That man is completely surrounded by ignorance. None of us have half of a clue about anything in comparison.
@@misterdude4296 still knows more and enough to save people and change lives for the better. Can you do such feats?
This lecture was for a room full of psychologists, not college students or to be broadcast. It's a professional lecture to his peers, we've just gotten to listen to it. But it's solid gold.
This is one of those lectures that is so engaging I can hardly stand pressing pause.
Everytime I watch Peterson I learn so much about myself I feel like I’ve been growing a cyclops in my head over 10 years of smoking weed everyday and recently I quit and ive been dealing with a lot of mental issues like strange and disturbing thoughts nothing that stops me from living my life but just enough to annoy disturb or give me anxiety. Once I thing I have the thoughts conquered they manifest in a new way and I have to deal with them again. I’m going to keep working through it as best I can hopefully I can squash this cyclops into the ground one day.
Only thing that stops me from smoking weed is not having the money for at any given time or the unavailability of it. Otherwise, I much prefer to have some smoke in my life.
Is it a crutch? Perhaps. But I've smoked consistently for the last 25 years and I don't really see it as a drawback. It helps my anxiety a lot and generally helps me more than it hinders.
I'm of the ilk that believes pot doesn't truly make people lazy or lack ambition, but can definitely make a genuinely lazy and non-ambitious person much more so.
Too many examples of extremely high level productive people who also smoke weed regularly to say this is the case.
I think we're all individuals and we all act and react differently according to our own composition and chemical makeup.
All things in moderation. So long as your days are productive, I don't see any issue with cutting loose with a bit of marijuana. But that's just me. I don't "advocate" weed across the board by any means, but I do believe it helps a lot of people cope with certain issues.
I'd say it's more of a habit than an addiction. My smoking cigarettes is far more of a crutch than weed has ever been.
@@crazyworld54321 I think we react differently dur to mental states rather than chemical differences
so much he says rings true...family have been saying they love me but acting like they dont and lying continuously for years...and im the one in therapy!
well they're lying to themselves, and you're not, hence you seek help, they don't....too bad, because you need the least help compared to them
Gaslighting. Making you look like the bad guy. The same thing had happened to me. Insane, cruel deceptive family, psychopath mother who divided everyone in the family by triangulation. End result is that no-one is in touch anymore - I believe so we wouldn't come together to all figure her out. Three out of four family members who tried to commit suicide. Both parents and siblings invalidated me for years, lying and continual attempts to distort my reality. I was the truth teller in the family, and they all hated it.
The end of his lecture made me cry.
thank you for sharing JP video's, its tag now so I can come back to watch again to watch the parts I've missed understand.
The problem with diagnosis sometimes is that it seems to be viewed as accurate even if it turns out to be wrong. 30 years ago everyone was bipolar and no one seem to make an investigation into personality, upbringing, traumatic events etc. Once you have been branded this illness or that, it's hard to get the medical community to reevaluate your diagnosis.
Besides, my experience has been that they want to treat you with pharmaceuticals no matter what the problem and sent you on your way.
Ive noticed during the past few years peoples disgnoses where i work can change as their behaviors etc change and the doctor can change it if he feels it needs to be changed.
This is gold!
I would love to have Peterson to talk to every day for a while, his friends are really fortunate.
This will always be my favorite JP video and that says a lot.
I'm really amazed by him in one sense, and In another sense I also get vibes of a young George Carlin. That is not an insult, but a compliment because they both are people of exceptional character and strikingly similar thoughts about the universe despite their conclusions leading to starkly different places. Thankfully, Dr. Peterson doesn't go down the nihilistic route despite knowing all the limitations of human behavior.
Good point except George Carlin was hardly a nihilist.
The difference as i see it between the two personalities lies primarily in the belief, or lack thereof, in a higher power. Carlin was a died in the wool atheist and definitely showed hardcore nihilistic tendencies. Peterson maintains his connection to the mystery of the universe through his faith in God. But yes, i see your point. Their logic works in much the same way. Very dry and matter of fact. Cynical but forward thinking and ironic.
I agree with your clarification. It's why I appreciate Dr. J. Peterson so much. (One of the reasons, anyway.) I guess my only point being that I'm glad George Carlin spoke up on certain issues (war) at a time when most entertainers wouldn't go anywhere near the truths he was talking about. After all, though Carlin was hardly wealthy by Hollywood standards, he could have "enjoyed" just being a druggie, etc.and not doing HIS important work which reached lots of people at an important time. Thanks for your thoughtful response.
Imagine those two talking. Got dam
I so agree with the statement about evolutionary psychology. If they do not understand a phenomenon they just make up stories of how that might be useful evolutionary, and because of that, you now have it. That doesn't answer the question about what's going on, it just makes a story for how it come to be, and not a explanation for how it works.
Is amazing how if you look at this video that’s from 8 years ago, and you look at interviews of him now, he just hasn’t change at all.
Thought I had heard most of Jordan's brilliance but somehow missed this one till now and it's infinitely useful. Thank you Jordan and UA-cam medium
Wow, ive listened to Jordan for more than an hour now. I just realized that this video is almost over and i actually said to myself, under my breath, "aww, damn." Lol. Thats really something.
Excellent! Finally someone addresses these profoundly important issues! We can only hope that the psychological, and psychiatric communities are listening... and catch up. @47:00 going forward, thank you, thank you! Brilliant!
I am new to watching Jordan Peterson's lectures, and I find him to be very sincere and passionate about all the topics he chooses to lecture on, all his body language and his delivery is very animated with sincerity, I don't agree with everything he says, but I love watching him and listening to him
the last statement before questions is the key to unlock everything we know and dont know.
Wish we could see the screen he's using
This is helping me ... Thank you.
Me too. 😘Listening from San Diego CA USA 🗽
Wow... what a lecture! That conclusion is quite thought provoking. It’s interesting to come to this lecture after listening to his others.
His speaking and his making a talk and his point more easy to follow and to understand has improved 100% since this 2011 talk
This man is brilliant. I just love his videos on child rearing, every parent-to-be should be encouraged to watch them. The world would then become a much better place.
Which videos address child rearing? I can't find them. Thanks
His parenting videos are good.
There seem to be an incorrect cut at 14:56,it rolls back
t 14:07 and 15:29 he says the same thing twice
shodanxx Since I'm just listening, it sounds like he's stating things twice. I'm just like, "Woah, professor, do you need to take a day off or something?"
Oh good, I didn't just stroke out.
Yes, there is later a second incident of that kind and sometimes, my impression was, there is a jump foreward, skipping an unknown amount of time. I think a comment just in the part directly below the video would be nice, and what would be nice too: If somebody who knows which pictures are shown when would link to them, if they are available on the internet.
Actually that happens several times during the video.
The video was stitched together and the person who did the editing didn't do a good job so parts got repeated a few times.
The crazy look he has while articulating this is great!
Love the coat of arms sunshine behind Peterson. Light of reason above his head. May it be a rising sun.