I like how you and attack on titan show foxen all wrong. The guy is always wrong on attack on titan and sword art online too. Good thing you made a real point.😁👍
I really hate when 139 defenders twist Erwin's word to justify the ending. Eren's goal was never about eradicating hate from the world or from human nature, his goal is the safety of his people. So yes, humanity will find a way to fight among themselves, but that's not the point of Eren's goal, and that has nothing to do with Eren.
True but he did what he saw and that destroyed everything for us. Although Paradise has upper hand now and their will be no war for atmost 50 years but still there will be a grudge in the future.
@@abhirupchoudhury1156 The point of the video when arguing this point was simply Eren could've gone with the euthanasia or the 50 year plan and achieved the exact same result as they serve as a means to crumble the rest of the world's military without having to commit made genocide. Where Eren's plan was just the 50 year plan with the genocide of millions.
He isnt deep at all. He's just some depressed dude who had to commit genocide cuz he needs to and people treat it like its the most relatable thing ever. Like yeah i would've killed 80% of the world to protect the sister i love which i did not have any romantic feelings for until now. And i wont even use the remaining lifespan i have to show her i really do love and care for her instead ill tell armin not to tell her because that's what love is right??? What a joke.
@@laughingbob5786 Let me add some stuff. Eren fucked up his entire family (his mom, his dad, his grandparents, his half-brother). He just wanted to do the rumbling anyway which also fucked up, who would want to flat the earth, kill people and animals because they just wanted to do it? A psycho and hypocrite: He kept talking about freedom, called people slaves (lmao, he never apologized to Mikasa and she is ok with that, stupid poor girl doesn't know what a healthy relationship is) while he was one himself.
I mean yeah. No one understood Eren’s character. Everyone actually thinks he was seriously becoming some monster and has lost all his humanity. Even though it’s completely fking obvious he was putting an act. Eren’s character is deep if were comparing him to other characters in fiction. Naruto, goku, luffy, ichigo, deku, tanjiro, etc doesn’t come close. Maybe Guts Why tf did you bring up Greek? Where tf did that come from. Ppl didn’t understand eren because of the reasons on why they’re hating on it. Eren isn’t a simp, he’s about to die, so what’s wrong with saying all those things in the Paths? The only stupid things with Eren’s character are his motivations on why he’s doing the rumbling. But no one’s talking about that, instead the guy just gets memed. This fandom has a lot of idiots.
I know right! Yeah, at first in season 1 he wanted to kill all the titans and kept that mentality up until season 2 but from season 3 onward he was more concerned about the safety of his friends and family, especially when he inherited the memories from kissing Historia's hand and learnt how garbage the outside world is.
That goal of his ended midseason. Titans weren't threatening Paradis Island, at least as common enemy (except during counter attack). His goals had changed drastically. And we all saw it.
I think it's not about Eren's goal, but more about the initial story's goal, like a hint that the story will end if this goal is achieved. I don't think erasing Titans was a bad idea. It should still be done. It's just executed poorly. The method to erase it and the reason behind it are ridiculous. It should've been just that they were completely in a situation where they didn't need the power anymore, free from war, thus free from Titans too.
Exactly but the end of season 3 Eren was no longer interested in killing titans which was proven when he didn't kill the titan they ran into on there way to the ocean " there a fellow patriot" like seriously are these people really reading/watching the same series?
Aot fandom is toxic and the majority consists of 15-14 years old girls fangirls of Mikasa. Of course an ending where mikasa is the center of the story being poorly written is something for the to worship. If you talk bad about AoT views and subs go down so basically 80% of youtubers and reactors pretend to like everything.
Glad cause his Terrible fandom really thinks that video explains the ending where I can make surface level statements while cherry picking from past actions to support the retcon ending as well but once a critical thinker analyze those same scenes and allude it to the context of that "PAST" situation it makes no sense for it to have a turnout like 139 became. You can't relentlessly kill people for your ideology and claim that, "Oh Sorry Bro I didn't know what I was doing" as your endgame when the people got hooked on Eren's character from his own personal statements, conviction, and resolve in those scenes. We knew he wasn't lying or putting on an act cause of the extremities of his action that had no hesitation in doing them. You expect me to believe that this whimpering baby in 139 was capable of doing these acts with no hesitation and showed mental fortitude to stay calm in worse situations than that of 139? Hell no, almost worse of a turn than that of a Naruto villain who loses his conviction and resolve that he has been carrying for 10 plus years just to quickly turn the page after a 5 minute chat with Ar.... Cough Cough...... Naruto.
@@mysteryace2129 Honestly I can accept it with Naruto because it was clearly the theme that they were going for and Naruto accomplished what pain couldnt, he forgave and moved on. Pain had taken so much from him just like what what had happen to him but Naruto simply learned from his story and realized that he didn't want to follow pains path which I believe helped change pains goals. I think this is the theme that Naruto was going for and it worked for the situation so I give it a pass with pain but AoTs ending was ass.
wtf is Foxen talking about?? when they reach the sea at the end of the Uprising arc, it's crystal clear that eren refers to the people on the other side of the sea as his enemies.
@@ryancroy he did say that. But he also said in the exact same scene that he will keep moving forward until all his enemies are destroyed. After which he proceeded to murder everyone around the area whether they were innocent or not. So in a sense, he still considered them his enemies regardless of their innocence.
@@seanzano6634 He also was aware of the horrible thing he was going to. And that he would suffer from the choice he made, a choice to save the world (or at least his world). "I'm the same as you"
@@ryancroy of course he knew it was wrong. It was even reiterated in chapter 130 or 131 when he saved that child knowing he was going to kill him anyway in the future. He truly felt terrible that he was going to kill innocent people but he had no other choice since it was the only way to give the island freedom.
The fact that more ppl (em shippers at least but not all) were more upset about jeankasa being canonized than paradise being FUCKING DESTROYED, really tells that these ppl never gave a flying fuck about the story, or its themes.
It leaves this cheating ntr taste in my mouth with the jean mikasa thing . i was ok with either the worlds or paradises destruction. Plus the peace people only care about peace and dont care about the reprocussions. Basiclaly Alliance lovers dont care about paradise that much so it being destroyed doesnt matter as long as peace is done.
Well Jeankasa is a nothing burger bro. Legit, Mikasa visits Eren’s grave 3 times in the leaks, which is 3 more times than she ever had a one-on-one convo with Jean. You can’t blame people for criticising it came out of nowhere. Plus, I and a lot of other male fans get this disgusting taste of NTR/cockoldry from the ending now because of it. Only women could realistically like it.
@@patrickdavies9790 Yeah, Jeankasa came out of nowhere (just like eremika) and people are allowed to criticize it, but let's be real. The ems who criticize it do it because they can't accept that mikasa moved on, not because of how little sense the ship makes
@@maboh9 I criticise it because it’s trivialising her supposed super special love for Eren that was able to end the titan curse. If it was so special how come she moved on in 5 years? Plus, whilst EM was definitely under developed, it at least had some moments like ch 50 and 123. Jeankasa legit only exists so they can set up sequels, that’s it.
The man has no principles. I can accept people like the ending even if I think their reasons are stupid but he doesn't genuinely like it, he is just saying what the majority of his fanbase wants to hear. People who don't stand by their opinions or principles are pathetic in my eyes.
EM ship was never a canon, it was never even sailed to begin with, Eren's already dead before they ever became couple, lol. And now we knew that Mikasa moved on and gave her womb to Jean, lol.
When someone says that Eren is not contradicted bc he finished with the titans, just as he said when he was a kid, there I realize they did FR not understand Eren's development. Eren changed his mentality about titans. Thats why he didn't kill the weird titan before going to see the ocean, because he understood Titans were not monsters, they were victims of Marley and Ymir's curse, living an eternal nightmare, not being free.
It does line up though if he has that mentality. Instead of killing the titan, he saved them by reverting to human, and it turn freeing them from the curse, and saving everyone else with the curse of ymir
Some people just go with what ever is popular sentiment to try and get ending up racking up dislikes young defiant did when he called 139 trash a month ago. The lengths people to excuse crappy writing is so funny. At least even shippers are admitting it was the only thing they cared about now and that they didn't care about the plot.
I mean the only thing that made sense in both chapters is that Eren still wants to still live and be "free", you're a 19 year old kid who will lose it all..burst of emotions will happen and this, the dialogues however, didn't do him justice.. especially with this added chapters it's like they'll milk the shit and story out of Eren unless they make eren the new ymir and make him truly be the end of everything but that would go against everything eren ever did but also the thing I hated the most is the fact that the lelouch way of ending it was fucking perfect and foreshadowed through out his history...the fact that he is always ready to sacrifice himself for the sakes of others (Armin, mikasa and Armin, rest of the scouts, levi squad, many more) it made sense because Eren hasn't changed, his way of doing things may have but the fact that will always stay is the fact that he will save everyone but still at the end of the day whether S1 Eren or not or this so called "Chad Eren" Eren still can't risk nothing, he may not have the same iq as both of his brothers but he definitely know the fact that it'll always be better guaranteed than gamble on a thread the 80% will always be the issue.. the ending might be problematic but what the hell we might even see Beren: The Next Generation where he becomes the titan king but power of friendship or sum shit
He'll stay real quiet 😂 he keeps telling people in comments in his last video that the leaks are false we shouldn't fall for false rumors and whatnot 😂😂😂
I'm a massive simp for AoT, but I'm also disappointed with the ending, although I came to accept it (nothing can be done). I don't even expect anything for the extra pages.
Something that nobody mentions is that Grisha SEEN the future and told Zeke to stop Eren. Looking at the ending that we got... was Grisha asking Zeke to PREVENT the ending, Eren's death, Paradis's end, and ultimately the titan powers continuing?
@@thehuman1171 since he only got the future memories when he went to the Reiss family and then eren was already 10 years old If for example you are told at this moment that your brother's birth will cause the demise of humanity, you can't do anything about it because he is already born Same with eren he is already born so he can't do anything about it You could say he should've killed eren but that would lead to a worse ending, who knows maybe Zeke could've stopped him
The fuck???? Grisha specifically said “stop Eren” meaning the full rumbling. This is a plothole bc grisha gives Eren the attack titan that same night. Why would he want his son to be stopped at the last min and then proceed to give him the titan? He could have given it to literally anyone else but no…..
@@darklord1510 Alot of people argue this point by trying to use the fixed timeline mentality, despite Grisha being shown to not have a fixed mindset as Eren had to convince him in order to simply kill the Reis family.
Foxen is a Isayama fanboy/bootlicker so no matter how garbage the plot and the ending is, he's still gonna praise it (pseudo-intellectual style). He's one of those "don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product" guy...
@@SuperMatthew345 its ironic how the popularity of aot seemingly caused isayama to alter is ending to "appeal" to fans and ultimately just ended up pissing the majority off xD
The funny thing really is that after witnessing twice how the rest of the world was eager to destroy the eldians, Eren still went with his plan of killing 80% of the world and let Armin do the peace talk. Also, how did he think making a Helos 2.0 was a good idea ? He knows better than anyone else how the head of the Tybur family ended up. This family was living as aristrocrats while the rest of their people was hated and despised. And this is the exact same thing that happens with the Alliance and the rest of the eldians. Some are heroes while the rest are monsters. Instead of putting an end to this vicious circle, Eren initiated a new one, repeating the exact same mistakes. Eren said to Historia that the war won't end until one party is anihilated and yet still let Armin try to talk for peace, that's just doesn't make sense. Eren basically gave up his duty to let others finish it. Yet, he already learnt what happens if you trust your friends rather than yourself. He blamed himself in the very first season, after witnessing the whole Levi squad die when he had the power to save them. Even in the cave during the uprising arc, he decided to take action and believe in himself to save everyone. I guess in the end, he really didn't learn from the mistakes from the past and didn't really care for his people.
That crawling titan scene is one that keeps popping into my mind whenever people say eren's goal was to still kill the titans, he literally let that one go The goal completely changed which is one of the aspects of the basement reveal that made it genius, well brought up!
and they counter argument is "Eren knew everyone would turn back" Then why was he mad about Historia being turned into a titan if Eren knew she would turn back? Makes no sense.
6:00 Eren actually didn't know about Marley's counterattack, hence his surprised reaction. However, he already knew he was going to meet Zeke there and activate the rumbling, so he knew he'd be fine. That's why he ignored Yelena's warning. Reminds me of HunterxHunter when Chrollo was captured. He had his future predicted but that prediction excluded his capture. He concludes that his capture "wasn't even worth noting. This is like an afternoon walk", or something like that. 10:37 He's literally falling for the retcon like Kodansha wants. FoxenAnime really thinks Eren was not only lying to his friends, but in his internal monologues and the readers? How is FoxenAnime so dense? It's amazing how smug he is about his points, even though he doesn't seem to have read the same story. Anyway, he has more subs so that must mean he's right.
@@koui4449 he did see the future tho, once he got his head blown off and entered Paths. Before that he only got glimpses of the future with Attack Titan's ability, just like shifters get past memories. Now I don't want to use 139 as evidence because idk how accurate some things are, but he said that past present and future were existing at once so he really did see most of it. Not sure if Isayama meant to do this, or it was just added for 139 to make somewhat sense but yeah, at some point he did see it. It might have been incomplete because he was seeing too much info at once and forgot some of it, like when we are dreaming, or because he can only see some events leading up to his death.
Pareto theory my friend, within a populace, most are morons, a huge group are decent, a bunch are keen, and a pack are geniuses. This was made to appeal to the masses, hence why it was dumbed down and crushed. Guys like Shakespeare or Wagner would be ostracized in their respectives media had they lived in present times.
Did he seriously miss the entire point of the basement reveal? Did he seriously ignore *all* of Eren's development because of it? We SEE Eren get over his hatred of titans when he finds one crawling on the ground, ripe for killing, but then he touches it's forehead, notes that he and the titan are on the same side, and leaves it be.
Nah, clearly all the people he called animals were secretly titans including the kidnappers who killed Mikasa's parents, Eren knew it all along but everyone else didn't. /s
I can't believe that others actually argued that Eren's development was just a front. We see him LITERALLY IN HIS OWN MIND AND INTROSPECTION ABOUT HIS THOUGHTS. Hell, we got a whole ass arc of him in the PATHs world, which is the most authentic version of him. There's no way he lied to himself in his own head too lmao. I can see him telling Mikasa he hated her being a front, but to pull the rug out from under like that is bad writing. His 131 and 139 comparisons were disingenuous, in terms of Eren's breakdown. Nobody was upset that Eren cried, they were upset at WHY he cried. There's a reason that 131's breakdown was well received as one of the best moments in the series. That humanized Eren super well because although he had a strong will and resolve to move forward and destroy the entire world, he still has his regrets and can't look the person he's about to kill in the eye. That makes him human, and that makes him a well-written flawed character. 139's breakdown was all over... Mikasa possibly marrying somebody else and moving on? When there was little indication that he loved her romantically too? Overall though, I loved the video you made, especially the format of playing out his points, and then, responding to them directly. Looking forward to more. I subscribed.
I don't know why people feel a need to lie and say the ending is great or amazing. It's not, from a writing stand point it is objectively bad. I don't care if someone likes the ending despite how bad it is - everyone has their guilty pleasures. But to act as if it's a cohesive or decent ending is just a lie. They need to stop deluding themselves. The only honest and objective Anime UA-camr I saw actually pointing out the faults of the ending was AnimeBallsDeep.
I love it how Paradis gets destroyed with over 10 main characters dying offscreen . He should have just kept Jean Connie and gabi as Titans If he wanted to end up killing them all smhhhhh
I’m convinced the writer ditched Eren and Historia destroying the world half way through the final arc. It was set up so perfectly then does a complete 180 and destroys Eren and Historia character. Historia is a waste of panels and potential. The whole baby drama was a complete joke unless Eren was the father and used that baby to wipe out humanity being the first born free child of the new world named Ymir. Eren in the end being riddled in guilt of wiping out humanity and the people he wanted to save the most.
"I yearn to be the freest boy in the world" "I will trample over the world untill all existing life there has been eliminated" "I have to keep moving forward to save my friends and the people of paradis" Yeah it was all an act and we all fell for it Internal monologues are an act and we fell for it boys
@@abhirupchoudhury1156 lol we will see for how long, although yes I think his friends will still survive even if a nuke falls on them, because their plot armour is just too high(especially Mikasa and Armin)
@@abhirupchoudhury1156 Saving his dear friends while Paradis goes to shit is not only the most selfish act possible, it renders the whole series pointless. Paradis' freedom? Pointless. Survey Corps' sacrifices? Pointless. The whole war against Marley? Pointless. Yeagerist faction? Pointless. The whole fkin story? Absolutely pointless.
Yup, people like Foxen Anime are literally the reason why COVID-19 existed. He probably secretly wanted China to win taking over the world and to make everyone eat bat soup and everyone be a slave to him humping Mikasa body pillows like the Nazi he is.
Here's what could've saved Historia, gave the Shifters long lives and allowed Paradis to keep the Titans: Use the Founder to ask Ymir to remove the Curse of Ymir. I can't fucking believe nobody thought of that!
No one is gonna talk about how Ymir was freed twice? First by Eren, then by Mikasa? Eren freeing Ymir was retconned?!! Wtf?!? The ending makes that entire scene pointless!!! But if Ymir wasn’t actually free, how did she reject Zeke’s orders and start the rumbling? But if she rejected Zeke’s orders and started the rumbling under her own free will, why did the rumbling stop after Zeke died? Makes no sense and no one cares!!!! Wtf!!!!
Huh? Eren gave Ymir freedom of choice. Mikasa helped her make that choice. If something doesn't make sense...have y'all ever just considered that you're not even TRYING to make sense at some point?
@@edwardedison1661 Even if what you said was true, that means Ymir made The Rumbling happen just so she could bring to fruition the moment that would help her to overcome her love for King Fritz. All that death and destruction for one person and we’re supposed to feel bad for her? She ruined The Whole world for her own sake!!!
@@reeseespino1253 Okay, and? You say that like the world was good in the first place to her when all it has even done was just bring her misery to the point where she gets drunk on a drop of love from one of the worst humans to ever exist. Also, Ymir saw herself in Mikasa...so how else was she going to let go of her attachment to KF? Also, also, you know how many people fucking died already? This is Aot bruh.
I agree, I simply didn't understand anything. The story started going downhill when the main characters came across Annie and they literally said nothing to her and laughed it off after all the suffering she caused. Season 4 is rushed. The poor animators have to work their asses off as well in a very short time. I could have waited some extra 2 years if it meant getting a better animated season with a better conclusion, it's like isayama is no longer interested in AoT and he just wants to finish it off.
@@edwardedison1661 Name one person in the alliance who died in the final battle against Eren. I'll wait. And in what chapter did Ymir see herself in Mikasa. these two are literally a juxtaposition.
Based. I appreciate the bit about how people think everyone who supported Eren before 139 is just a hungry bloodthirsty maniac, when in reality we just wanted to see his character reach it’s logical conclusion. The way people justify the ending is by taking the conclusion as fact and working backwards to force a narrative where it makes sense. Instead of using what we were shown in the story thus far and questioning if what happened in 139 is congruent with everything that came before it. It’s impressive mental gymnastics and a testament to how people will refuse to be critical with a property they love despite its numerous shortcomings. I love AoT but that doesn’t exempt it from criticism. Great video, I also appreciate how respectful you were to the creator you were responding to. I’m not a fan of Foxen Anime but I think by presenting yourself honestly and not throwing shit at other people you make a far better case than most. Too many people in this fandom don’t really present our side well because they try to argue the person and not the point which means no one is actually listening. Really enjoyed this video!
God, when people say that eren is the same as he was in season 1 and compare 131 to 139 is makes me physically cringe since 131 shows us the culmination of erens character development while 139 destroys it for some cheap emotion and shock value.
131 showed erens humanity without contradicted anything he said or did in previous chapters while 139 went against everything eren stood for as a character and this is comming from someone who didn't even like timeskip eren
139 eren is nothing like eren in season one . Even kid eren will never stop moving forward he will never give up on his freedom for some walmart lelouch plan like eren said himself he was born this way. To make c139 make sense u need to say eren was acting in the whole manga even in his inner monologue and when he is alone which this what c139 defenders say and over what a f ship ? Idk what this story did to deserve this fandom
@@nah2685 yeah I really hate the argument the defenders say which is ' eren always wanted to destroy the titans and he did'. Like NO. Eren wanted FREEDOM and would fight anything that took his freedom. In season 1 to 3 it was the titans now it's the rest of humanity therefore the full timing alligns perfectly with this philosophy. Also people that say the all of eren after the timeskip is a facade are honestly dumb cos they don't see the development over 3 seasons that forced eren to push aside his emotions in order to fight for the bigger goal. I admit the mikasa, Armin talk was fake as he had to push them away as they would hinder his "full rumbling plan". Apart from that I would say he was being mostly himself, I would say imo that PATHS eren is his truest self. I don't like 139 because it shits on all erens previous moments, introduces love for no reason, and just tells us, well not everyone is dead and so even though they are angry and wanna kill u our lord and saviour Armin is there to hypnotize them into peace. Sorry for the long rant, I just saw foxxen's video and that made me laugh out of disbelief lol.
what's worse, they actually interpret 131 as Eren being mad at people *JUST EXISTING* . they think he's driven by Armin's book, even though chapter 84 shows Eren admitting to forgetting all about Armin's book lmao.
This Foxen man about to read the complete chapter in June and retract everything. Cause titans still there and Paradis gone. Now was 80% still smart? Deadass
The bigger UA-camrs played it safe by skating around the ending by giving a watered down view for engagement and clicks. I couldn't make it through his last chapter video because he was straddling that fence so hard.
To be fair i have seen a few of the bigger channels starting to trash it after these new leaks but yeah they are just shills. They try watch every anime under the sun and are therefor casuals that dont understand things properly
Naruto's last arc was kinda ass and there really weren't any stakes. We now know Kishimoto kept most of the characters alive for the sequel, that he wouldn't end up writing. Similarly, Isayama trashed his ending to set up for a sequel. Ofc, he won't write it himself since he's retiring.
@@devinomatsu2444 The editor is more an EMA fan than he is an EM fan, there’s a reason he allowed Mikasa to move on with another man is cause he hated Eren and felt that he needed some humiliation.
@@patrickdavies9790 Isayama editor was not the one to look over the 8 page's what are you talking about it was like 2 or 1 other person looking at the page's
That moment when you are an em shipper and a few weeks ago u defend the ending like ur life depend on it,and now after the leaks ur trying to came up with some "smart"excuses,that doesn't make sense at all, when in fact all you could say is that you don't like it cuz ur ship isn't that canon after all,and the only reason u like it in the first place was bc ur cringe ship. Suddently everyone notice the plot holes now. Isn't the "strOng LoVe" enought anymore?
God I used to watch Foxen because I liked the stuff he put out but That "Eren pulled an act that you guys fell for" pissed me off. If it was an act, we would have had breadcrumbs and foreshadowing for that. Instead what we got was that Eren saw too much that messed him up, so he tried to commit the best possible outcome that would result in his friends living long lives and not have to worry about any wars declared on Paradis. Clearly he failed because he killed 80% of humanity, and if the leaks are true (which I won't be surprised if they are), then Paradis is pretty much the definition of screwed.
Eren stopped talking about wiping out titans once he reached the beach . Foxen did u forget that he’s new goal to was to obtain freedom by liking his enemies beyond the sea what story does this guy read
can 139 defenders please stop saying Chad Eren was an act?! Kid Eren literally killed Mikasa's kidnappers in cold blood and wasn't sorry about it. His breaking down in 131 was so meaningful now it means shit. How high was Foxen when he made this video, lol
Ishyama literally made an entire chapter that proved " Chad eren " isn't an act otherwise why have mikasa and Armin question if they ever really understood eren if it was all an act?
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Exactly. Eren's growth to becoming an anti-hero made sense. And omg, have you seen the leaks for the additional pages of 139? Paradis got destroyed lmao.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 right like can someone tell me why mikasa threw Armin on the table if there was no truth to her being a slave smh. Ig only ymir knows.
'Why doesn't the world just blow up Paradis island? Well, thankfully Isayama already explained this, Paradis is safe for decades and decades' Isayama, literally days later: *Paradis gets carpet bombed into oblivion This is what happens when you try and blindly defend stuff ignoring all critical aspects of reality
"Eren's goal was to eradicate titans" I can't express how much I hate this argument. Eren didn't give a shit about titans, he care more about being a scout, the idea of being free, not locked inside caged walls. Why don't people understand that titans are literally just weapons of war? For those who like making this argument, if you're mom was shot by a gun, would you blame the gun or the person who shot her? Would you feel better by beating the shit out of the gun or the person who pull the trigger? These sort of argument are dumb, Eren's hatred started with the titans because that's all he ever know, but as time went on he realizes that humanity caused his Mother's death (until 139 of course).
Exactly that's what I've saying this whole time. If a person shot your mom you're not gonna destroy every gun in the world you're gonna kill the people that set up your mother's death. Thats such a stupid argument titans weren't the main reason people hated eldians its because of the sins of there ancestors. They even stated that the titan powers were soon to be rendered useless because of the worlds advancements in technology and once that happens they'll slaughter all the eldians. And him being the one that killed his mom🤮 that was so unnecessary could've literally left that out and it would have no effect in the story
Why is erens character rocket science that’s to hard to understand according to foxen anime. Chapter 137 to chap139 defenders are embarrassments what’s there to defend. So fake Chad eren who we heard his inner monologue was an act Yh right. It’s best if foxen anime doesn’t make attack on Titan videos anymore
13:40 that comparing made me mad too Eren's breakdown at first time was understandable - knowing he was going to kill that innocent boy (who also dreamed about freedom) Second one is so disgraceful... I would understand if he fell down in tears beside Armin and said "Armin please... I had no another choice... I had to kill them... I had felt myself so bad all those 4 years, sometimes never had a proper sleeping... I know... What I've done can't be justified or excused... But I really am Sorry about all pain I had to bring..."
Wow lucky I didn't watch that video on my own. Without you debunking his theories everytime he said something stupid, I might have cringed to death, good analysis man.
I really didn't the part where "80%" of the world was wiped out. Why is there a specific number and why is it so severely lacking? The writers could have simply put "The majority of the world was wiped out." At least with that there's some ambiguity if Eren succeeded in protecting the island.
Look how one chapter can completely destroy such an amazing and huge series. Great video man, you and IDontknowAnything are the only youtubers i know who are telling the truth about this garbage and not lying to yourselves.
I want to kill all the titans (beginning) ----> Character development and plot progression - WE are the Titans, we deserve freedom no matter how we're born and what we're born with ----> I want to wipe out our enemies who keep us from Freedom -----> Destroys all titans.... Is satisfied? (ending) You can not tell me this isn't ERASING development.
So Eren killing thousands in Liberio and later the Rumbling was all an act!??..Foxen Anime is really pandering To the Ending Defenders that he is going through serious mental Gymnastics.
Guys let's all be honest that's not the real eren in chapter 139. That doesn't even look like eren, he doesn’t even sound like eren, it doesn't feel like eren, Eren disappeared in chapter 122😂
eren saying he doesnt know why he did the rumbling, and that he did it because its his destiny is stupid. in the cell, when levi notices Eren's spirit and will, and the fact he will keep moving forward, even willing to take anyones freedom to achieve his, this shows what type of character he is, and always was. He knows why he did the rumbling. It's not that he really wanted to, even though he did, but its because he was only person willing to, and had the power to stop suffering and war, and that he felt that he had to do it.
Attack on Titan is a story about a Jewish boy with the power to kill all Nazis and if he has to sacrifice his friends for the greater good of his race he would be willing to do so as a martyr, and in a sense become a “Tyrant” himself. That is what makes AOT so philosophically perplexing and yet so undeniably gorgeous. And the wonderful parallel of human morality between Eren and Armin as to who’s way is “right” is a testament that Isayama understood and wanted to convey a powerful message to us but for some reason, be it cracking under pressure or the studio forcing a sequel , he simply missed the mark.
Foxen is a complete clown. I'd critique his video but I don't want to give 139 defender/apologists any clicks or views. I'd rather give it to videos like this that are following for the plot and calling out the blatant BS retcons and nonsense we've been served in lieu of an ending that ties everything together.
Bro mans said eren was naively doing things and then said he saw that Sasha was going to die in the future🗿that’s the problem with people who are defending the ending they say something and then just completely contradict themselves
Many times throughout this video, all I could do was laugh at the willful ignorance from Foxen and a lot of other people defending Eren's character assassination. One thing that has irked me in particular is that people have said that if the Rumbling was a 100% success, it does not guarantee that Paradis would not destroy itself due to inner conflict. That is true, but for some reason as mentioned at 23:50, they completely ignore the fact that the world wanted Paradis and its people destroyed simply for existing! That is no way a justifiable comparison. You earned a subscriber.
The extra pages indicate that the titan power may not have disappeared and the island was bombed into no man's land. lmao so what's the difference between Eren's plan and Zeke's? Eren killed more people than Zeke?
Its one thing if Foxxen just said his opinion as disagreeable as it is. But he had to be condescending towards ppl with legit arguments the whole video was "Half of yall just don't get it." Idk man but I've never seen a story with a decent ending divide a fandom to this extent. When Tokyo ghoul ended there were some ppl who didn't care too much for it but nobody was saying it didn't make sense and half the fandom wasn't arguing with each other on not just the grounds on rather it was good but on the grounds of if it made sense or not. I know Foxxen is one of the bigger SNK youtubers idk if he scared that Isayama might see his video or why he was dick ridding so hard. Even the ppl who thought the ending was okay had some criticism he's the only English Speaking youtuber I've seen with such a positive take on this.
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foxen anime is a shill
I like how you and attack on titan show foxen all wrong. The guy is always wrong on attack on titan and sword art online too. Good thing you made a real point.😁👍
Foxen Anime is well known to be a deep Eremika shipper, its probably why its all made sense to him
Was a huge fan of him but man he’s delusional
How could he still enjoy the story after the leaks as an EM shipper?
@@patrickdavies9790 delusional or denial
I'm EM shipper and i like the ending go bullied me for having an opinion
really? when did he say that he ships eremika as i can remember he was disgusted by the kiss scene
I really hate when 139 defenders twist Erwin's word to justify the ending. Eren's goal was never about eradicating hate from the world or from human nature, his goal is the safety of his people. So yes, humanity will find a way to fight among themselves, but that's not the point of Eren's goal, and that has nothing to do with Eren.
True but he did what he saw and that destroyed everything for us. Although Paradise has upper hand now and their will be no war for atmost 50 years but still there will be a grudge in the future.
@@abhirupchoudhury1156 lol no Paradis is done for
@@rickchakraborty2087 no bro Eren already has destroyed all their military forts
@@abhirupchoudhury1156 paradis gets destroyed. New pages been leaked my guy. Read the volume release in June
@@abhirupchoudhury1156 The point of the video when arguing this point was simply Eren could've gone with the euthanasia or the 50 year plan and achieved the exact same result as they serve as a means to crumble the rest of the world's military without having to commit made genocide. Where Eren's plan was just the 50 year plan with the genocide of millions.
Dude really put "No one understand Eren" on his title, pretending Eren's character is deeper than Greek philosophy lmao.
Yeah, it comes off as pretentious. I hate when youtubers type shit like that.
He isnt deep at all. He's just some depressed dude who had to commit genocide cuz he needs to and people treat it like its the most relatable thing ever. Like yeah i would've killed 80% of the world to protect the sister i love which i did not have any romantic feelings for until now. And i wont even use the remaining lifespan i have to show her i really do love and care for her instead ill tell armin not to tell her because that's what love is right??? What a joke.
Its not character assassination it's character degradation
@@laughingbob5786 Let me add some stuff. Eren fucked up his entire family (his mom, his dad, his grandparents, his half-brother).
He just wanted to do the rumbling anyway which also fucked up, who would want to flat the earth, kill people and animals because they just wanted to do it?
A psycho and hypocrite: He kept talking about freedom, called people slaves (lmao, he never apologized to Mikasa and she is ok with that, stupid poor girl doesn't know what a healthy relationship is) while he was one himself.
I mean yeah. No one understood Eren’s character. Everyone actually thinks he was seriously becoming some monster and has lost all his humanity. Even though it’s completely fking obvious he was putting an act.
Eren’s character is deep if were comparing him to other characters in fiction.
Naruto, goku, luffy, ichigo, deku, tanjiro, etc doesn’t come close.
Maybe Guts
Why tf did you bring up Greek? Where tf did that come from.
Ppl didn’t understand eren because of the reasons on why they’re hating on it. Eren isn’t a simp, he’s about to die, so what’s wrong with saying all those things in the Paths?
The only stupid things with Eren’s character are his motivations on why he’s doing the rumbling.
But no one’s talking about that, instead the guy just gets memed. This fandom has a lot of idiots.
I can't believe people keeps saying that Eren's goal was, is, and always will be to kill all titans.
I know right! Yeah, at first in season 1 he wanted to kill all the titans and kept that mentality up until season 2 but from season 3 onward he was more concerned about the safety of his friends and family, especially when he inherited the memories from kissing Historia's hand and learnt how garbage the outside world is.
That goal of his ended midseason. Titans weren't threatening Paradis Island, at least as common enemy (except during counter attack). His goals had changed drastically. And we all saw it.
I think it's not about Eren's goal, but more about the initial story's goal, like a hint that the story will end if this goal is achieved. I don't think erasing Titans was a bad idea. It should still be done. It's just executed poorly. The method to erase it and the reason behind it are ridiculous. It should've been just that they were completely in a situation where they didn't need the power anymore, free from war, thus free from Titans too.
Exactly but the end of season 3 Eren was no longer interested in killing titans which was proven when he didn't kill the titan they ran into on there way to the ocean " there a fellow patriot" like seriously are these people really reading/watching the same series?
Exactly that’s ever aot fans excuse on why the ending was a masterpiece💀like did we read the same manga or not
How is he gonna say Eren was a slave yet say he was looking for another path the whole time.... was he In control or NOT?!
love your videos. respect
Literally. Like, make up your mind dude
U tell them Queen!
@BROWNSMAGIC plsssss collab with this guy and make a podcast
Yooo I was looking for your channel yesterday Luckily I found you here
Foxen knows that the ending sucks but he still defends it cause he's afraid from his followers, he doesn't have the balls to say it's bad
he’s a 🤡
Aot fandom is toxic and the majority consists of 15-14 years old girls fangirls of Mikasa.
Of course an ending where mikasa is the center of the story being poorly written is something for the to worship. If you talk bad about AoT views and subs go down so basically 80% of youtubers and reactors pretend to like everything.
you brave asf for this considering his following
i am really proud that im subscribed to chibi reviews, he really said what he wanted to say about this garbage ending.
Aye man never be afraid to call out bullshit
Glad cause his Terrible fandom really thinks that video explains the ending where I can make surface level statements while cherry picking from past actions to support the retcon ending as well but once a critical thinker analyze those same scenes and allude it to the context of that "PAST" situation it makes no sense for it to have a turnout like 139 became.
You can't relentlessly kill people for your ideology and claim that, "Oh Sorry Bro I didn't know what I was doing" as your endgame when the people got hooked on Eren's character from his own personal statements, conviction, and resolve in those scenes. We knew he wasn't lying or putting on an act cause of the extremities of his action that had no hesitation in doing them. You expect me to believe that this whimpering baby in 139 was capable of doing these acts with no hesitation and showed mental fortitude to stay calm in worse situations than that of 139? Hell no, almost worse of a turn than that of a Naruto villain who loses his conviction and resolve that he has been carrying for 10 plus years just to quickly turn the page after a 5 minute chat with Ar.... Cough Cough...... Naruto.
@@josepht5141 ABD as well
@@mysteryace2129 Honestly I can accept it with Naruto because it was clearly the theme that they were going for and Naruto accomplished what pain couldnt, he forgave and moved on. Pain had taken so much from him just like what what had happen to him but Naruto simply learned from his story and realized that he didn't want to follow pains path which I believe helped change pains goals. I think this is the theme that Naruto was going for and it worked for the situation so I give it a pass with pain but AoTs ending was ass.
wtf is Foxen talking about?? when they reach the sea at the end of the Uprising arc, it's crystal clear that eren refers to the people on the other side of the sea as his enemies.
When he’s crying sad cause there is more people to kill on the other side of the sea “then will we be free” as in I’m tired of this u slow😂
Then he literally told Reiner that he changed his mind and knows that there are good people too.
Have you not read or watched it?
@@ryancroy he did say that. But he also said in the exact same scene that he will keep moving forward until all his enemies are destroyed. After which he proceeded to murder everyone around the area whether they were innocent or not. So in a sense, he still considered them his enemies regardless of their innocence.
@@seanzano6634 He also was aware of the horrible thing he was going to. And that he would suffer from the choice he made, a choice to save the world (or at least his world).
"I'm the same as you"
@@ryancroy of course he knew it was wrong. It was even reiterated in chapter 130 or 131 when he saved that child knowing he was going to kill him anyway in the future. He truly felt terrible that he was going to kill innocent people but he had no other choice since it was the only way to give the island freedom.
The fact that more ppl (em shippers at least but not all) were more upset about jeankasa being canonized than paradise being FUCKING DESTROYED, really tells that these ppl never gave a flying fuck about the story, or its themes.
It leaves this cheating ntr taste in my mouth with the jean mikasa thing . i was ok with either the worlds or paradises destruction. Plus the peace people only care about peace and dont care about the reprocussions. Basiclaly Alliance lovers dont care about paradise that much so it being destroyed doesnt matter as long as peace is done.
@@jadenrod2535 Some alliance fanses were mad at the ending as well, what are talking about.
Well Jeankasa is a nothing burger bro. Legit, Mikasa visits Eren’s grave 3 times in the leaks, which is 3 more times than she ever had a one-on-one convo with Jean. You can’t blame people for criticising it came out of nowhere. Plus, I and a lot of other male fans get this disgusting taste of NTR/cockoldry from the ending now because of it. Only women could realistically like it.
@@patrickdavies9790 Yeah, Jeankasa came out of nowhere (just like eremika) and people are allowed to criticize it, but let's be real. The ems who criticize it do it because they can't accept that mikasa moved on, not because of how little sense the ship makes
@@maboh9 I criticise it because it’s trivialising her supposed super special love for Eren that was able to end the titan curse. If it was so special how come she moved on in 5 years? Plus, whilst EM was definitely under developed, it at least had some moments like ch 50 and 123. Jeankasa legit only exists so they can set up sequels, that’s it.
The man has no principles. I can accept people like the ending even if I think their reasons are stupid but he doesn't genuinely like it, he is just saying what the majority of his fanbase wants to hear. People who don't stand by their opinions or principles are pathetic in my eyes.
Funny thing is that most of the fandom has now United in hatred of this extended ending.
You don't know him personally, so why make assumptions on what he thinks or why he do what he does?
@@Isaiasguerrerorivas dude stfu 😂
I completely agree with you
@@Isaiasguerrerorivas because I can keep crying
I swear some youtuber are doing that intentionally but they know the ending is ass, sheep’s
Foxen’s just one of those EM shippers that were happy his ship was made canon
Fr bro he is a clown
H O R S E D
HORSED
oh no no no dont tell him about the leaks
EM ship was never a canon, it was never even sailed to begin with, Eren's already dead before they ever became couple, lol. And now we knew that Mikasa moved on and gave her womb to Jean, lol.
When someone says that Eren is not contradicted bc he finished with the titans, just as he said when he was a kid, there I realize they did FR not understand Eren's development. Eren changed his mentality about titans. Thats why he didn't kill the weird titan before going to see the ocean, because he understood Titans were not monsters, they were victims of Marley and Ymir's curse, living an eternal nightmare, not being free.
FR! I feel like these people just forgot everything in order to defend this ending
It does line up though if he has that mentality. Instead of killing the titan, he saved them by reverting to human, and it turn freeing them from the curse, and saving everyone else with the curse of ymir
@@Bestintheinternet they all die in the future so what good did it serve taking away the only advantage they had?
"Not Enough for some of you" that's laughable, I guess it wasn't enough for Paradis' survival either since they were nuked😂
Right lol
I'm glad someone is finally calling Foxen out on his bs
@Devin The Dude i only watched his anime vs manga aot vids and his season 4 updates
he talks about on his video “what is erens berserk in s1”
and the only explanation is “anime orginal”
but his video took more than 10-13 mins 🤦♂️
Some people just go with what ever is popular sentiment to try and get ending up racking up dislikes young defiant did when he called 139 trash a month ago. The lengths people to excuse crappy writing is so funny. At least even shippers are admitting it was the only thing they cared about now and that they didn't care about the plot.
youngdefiant called aot trash way before the end so people were probably just mad he was right 💀
@@arieb7589 lmao fr?
@@peptobismol3949 yeah lmao it’s one of his more popular videos
Yep people always excuse crapppppy as$ writing due to nostalgia or in YT case views. He had to be the one guy who’s different for the views.
I mean the only thing that made sense in both chapters is that Eren still wants to still live and be "free", you're a 19 year old kid who will lose it all..burst of emotions will happen and this, the dialogues however, didn't do him justice.. especially with this added chapters it's like they'll milk the shit and story out of Eren unless they make eren the new ymir and make him truly be the end of everything but that would go against everything eren ever did but also the thing I hated the most is the fact that the lelouch way of ending it was fucking perfect and foreshadowed through out his history...the fact that he is always ready to sacrifice himself for the sakes of others (Armin, mikasa and Armin, rest of the scouts, levi squad, many more) it made sense because Eren hasn't changed, his way of doing things may have but the fact that will always stay is the fact that he will save everyone but still at the end of the day whether S1 Eren or not or this so called "Chad Eren" Eren still can't risk nothing, he may not have the same iq as both of his brothers but he definitely know the fact that it'll always be better guaranteed than gamble on a thread the 80% will always be the issue.. the ending might be problematic but what the hell we might even see Beren: The Next Generation where he becomes the titan king but power of friendship or sum shit
If the leaks are true I can't wait for him to see how he will defend it, his a massive simp for aot
He'll stay real quiet 😂 he keeps telling people in comments in his last video that the leaks are false we shouldn't fall for false rumors and whatnot 😂😂😂
I'm a massive simp for AoT, but I'm also disappointed with the ending, although I came to accept it (nothing can be done). I don't even expect anything for the extra pages.
@@sutefanisoreru4814 he said "dont believe in that crap easily"
@@kiattim2100 yup I remember it and he now put a video out about the "crap" and the "fake leaks" he's just laughable
lmao he saw it and he tried to defend it STILL. even if before he was like "its a fake dont believe it"
Something that nobody mentions is that Grisha SEEN the future and told Zeke to stop Eren. Looking at the ending that we got... was Grisha asking Zeke to PREVENT the ending, Eren's death, Paradis's end, and ultimately the titan powers continuing?
Stop my son...your brother from becoming a simp!!!!
Then why in gods name did Grisha give the titan to Eren
@@thehuman1171 since he only got the future memories when he went to the Reiss family and then eren was already 10 years old
If for example you are told at this moment that your brother's birth will cause the demise of humanity, you can't do anything about it because he is already born
Same with eren he is already born so he can't do anything about it
You could say he should've killed eren but that would lead to a worse ending, who knows maybe Zeke could've stopped him
The fuck???? Grisha specifically said “stop Eren” meaning the full rumbling. This is a plothole bc grisha gives Eren the attack titan that same night. Why would he want his son to be stopped at the last min and then proceed to give him the titan? He could have given it to literally anyone else but no…..
@@darklord1510 Alot of people argue this point by trying to use the fixed timeline mentality, despite Grisha being shown to not have a fixed mindset as Eren had to convince him in order to simply kill the Reis family.
He mostly appeals to what he’s fans believe because he runs a poll and if his fans say yes then he will
Say yes
Foxen is a Isayama fanboy/bootlicker so no matter how garbage the plot and the ending is, he's still gonna praise it (pseudo-intellectual style).
He's one of those "don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product" guy...
Basically
crappa fanboys and his minions
Damn man, i could feel how you were trying to keep it respectful while listening to this guy talking out of his ass
Exactly 😂
Foxen probably doesn’t want to upset his viewers, he’s pretty lame.
His points are way off base.
He's tailored his video to make his viewers happy, the same way Isayama tailored his ending to make "viewers happy".
I think some of his points were good until this video showed up
@@SuperMatthew345 its ironic how the popularity of aot seemingly caused isayama to alter is ending to "appeal" to fans and ultimately just ended up pissing the majority off xD
I mean, tbf, he in terms of theories had been fairly accurate at times months before they came out
@@comradedawid5292 yhhhh
The funny thing really is that after witnessing twice how the rest of the world was eager to destroy the eldians, Eren still went with his plan of killing 80% of the world and let Armin do the peace talk.
Also, how did he think making a Helos 2.0 was a good idea ? He knows better than anyone else how the head of the Tybur family ended up. This family was living as aristrocrats while the rest of their people was hated and despised. And this is the exact same thing that happens with the Alliance and the rest of the eldians. Some are heroes while the rest are monsters.
Instead of putting an end to this vicious circle, Eren initiated a new one, repeating the exact same mistakes.
Eren said to Historia that the war won't end until one party is anihilated and yet still let Armin try to talk for peace, that's just doesn't make sense.
Eren basically gave up his duty to let others finish it. Yet, he already learnt what happens if you trust your friends rather than yourself. He blamed himself in the very first season, after witnessing the whole Levi squad die when he had the power to save them.
Even in the cave during the uprising arc, he decided to take action and believe in himself to save everyone.
I guess in the end, he really didn't learn from the mistakes from the past and didn't really care for his people.
That crawling titan scene is one that keeps popping into my mind whenever people say eren's goal was to still kill the titans, he literally let that one go
The goal completely changed which is one of the aspects of the basement reveal that made it genius, well brought up!
and they counter argument is "Eren knew everyone would turn back"
Then why was he mad about Historia being turned into a titan if Eren knew she would turn back? Makes no sense.
Exactly!!!!!
6:00 Eren actually didn't know about Marley's counterattack, hence his surprised reaction. However, he already knew he was going to meet Zeke there and activate the rumbling, so he knew he'd be fine. That's why he ignored Yelena's warning.
Reminds me of HunterxHunter when Chrollo was captured. He had his future predicted but that prediction excluded his capture. He concludes that his capture "wasn't even worth noting. This is like an afternoon walk", or something like that.
10:37 He's literally falling for the retcon like Kodansha wants. FoxenAnime really thinks Eren was not only lying to his friends, but in his internal monologues and the readers? How is FoxenAnime so dense? It's amazing how smug he is about his points, even though he doesn't seem to have read the same story.
Anyway, he has more subs so that must mean he's right.
I think Eren just knew about specific event that will happen. It's like we know we will die but we don't know how we get to that point
@@__-dq9ev sadly my dude thats only a deduction nothing proves it so yeagarist fandom has just faith that he saw the entire future
@@koui4449 he did see the future tho, once he got his head blown off and entered Paths. Before that he only got glimpses of the future with Attack Titan's ability, just like shifters get past memories. Now I don't want to use 139 as evidence because idk how accurate some things are, but he said that past present and future were existing at once so he really did see most of it. Not sure if Isayama meant to do this, or it was just added for 139 to make somewhat sense but yeah, at some point he did see it. It might have been incomplete because he was seeing too much info at once and forgot some of it, like when we are dreaming, or because he can only see some events leading up to his death.
Pareto theory my friend, within a populace, most are morons, a huge group are decent, a bunch are keen, and a pack are geniuses. This was made to appeal to the masses, hence why it was dumbed down and crushed. Guys like Shakespeare or Wagner would be ostracized in their respectives media had they lived in present times.
Did he seriously miss the entire point of the basement reveal? Did he seriously ignore *all* of Eren's development because of it?
We SEE Eren get over his hatred of titans when he finds one crawling on the ground, ripe for killing, but then he touches it's forehead, notes that he and the titan are on the same side, and leaves it be.
Eren calls anything he demonizes “animals” to probably make it easier to kill whatever he’s killing.
Nah, clearly all the people he called animals were secretly titans including the kidnappers who killed Mikasa's parents, Eren knew it all along but everyone else didn't. /s
If this is a joke, I'm sorry, I'll r/wooosh myself
But by that logic, all the non Eldians across the world that died are also Titans 💀
@@imskxmo if you're referring to me and not the op, I thought the "/s" at the end made it obviously a joke
Foxen is so creditless on his Eren that it hurts to see that he rather fanboi 139 instead of critiquing the ending.
The chief has spoken
Foxanimation is like isayama, trying to please everyone but at the end just pisses them off
I can't believe that others actually argued that Eren's development was just a front. We see him LITERALLY IN HIS OWN MIND AND INTROSPECTION ABOUT HIS THOUGHTS. Hell, we got a whole ass arc of him in the PATHs world, which is the most authentic version of him. There's no way he lied to himself in his own head too lmao. I can see him telling Mikasa he hated her being a front, but to pull the rug out from under like that is bad writing.
His 131 and 139 comparisons were disingenuous, in terms of Eren's breakdown. Nobody was upset that Eren cried, they were upset at WHY he cried. There's a reason that 131's breakdown was well received as one of the best moments in the series. That humanized Eren super well because although he had a strong will and resolve to move forward and destroy the entire world, he still has his regrets and can't look the person he's about to kill in the eye. That makes him human, and that makes him a well-written flawed character. 139's breakdown was all over... Mikasa possibly marrying somebody else and moving on? When there was little indication that he loved her romantically too?
Overall though, I loved the video you made, especially the format of playing out his points, and then, responding to them directly. Looking forward to more. I subscribed.
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That foxen guy sounds like he's either trying to please his audience or he has no idea what he's talking about..
I don't know why people feel a need to lie and say the ending is great or amazing. It's not, from a writing stand point it is objectively bad. I don't care if someone likes the ending despite how bad it is - everyone has their guilty pleasures. But to act as if it's a cohesive or decent ending is just a lie. They need to stop deluding themselves. The only honest and objective Anime UA-camr I saw actually pointing out the faults of the ending was AnimeBallsDeep.
ig theyre scared of hurting a millionare's feelings
Exactly! lol Another youtube channel that discussed this mess of an ending were the eren denialists.
It's all for traction my friend
AnimeBallsDeep is amazing, he also explained historia's plothole and eren mikasa's love etc. In just 1 hour
It’s almost like people have different opinions
I love it how Paradis gets destroyed with over 10 main characters dying offscreen . He should have just kept Jean Connie and gabi as Titans If he wanted to end up killing them all smhhhhh
I’m convinced the writer ditched Eren and Historia destroying the world half way through the final arc. It was set up so perfectly then does a complete 180 and destroys Eren and Historia character. Historia is a waste of panels and potential.
The whole baby drama was a complete joke unless Eren was the father and used that baby to wipe out humanity being the first born free child of the new world named Ymir. Eren in the end being riddled in guilt of wiping out humanity and the people he wanted to save the most.
"I yearn to be the freest boy in the world"
"I will trample over the world untill all existing life there has been eliminated"
"I have to keep moving forward to save my friends and the people of paradis"
Yeah it was all an act and we all fell for it
Internal monologues are an act and we fell for it boys
Mikasa finding another man?! I don't want that!
@@javierdipp7510 and they say that he is not a simp wtf
He saved his dear friends atleast
@@abhirupchoudhury1156 lol we will see for how long, although yes I think his friends will still survive even if a nuke falls on them, because their plot armour is just too high(especially Mikasa and Armin)
@@abhirupchoudhury1156 Saving his dear friends while Paradis goes to shit is not only the most selfish act possible, it renders the whole series pointless.
Paradis' freedom? Pointless.
Survey Corps' sacrifices? Pointless.
The whole war against Marley? Pointless.
Yeagerist faction? Pointless.
The whole fkin story? Absolutely pointless.
Even isayama didn't put much effort in eren's character as much as people do
Isayama: is literally writing shit it feels intentionally
Fans: oh wow soo deep such good writing
@@meawiyaothman7872 typical AoT fanboys
@@meawiyaothman7872 they treat criticisms of isayamas writing as death threats
@@mrmintios8817 exactly the aot fanbase is as bad as the mha fanbase. Filled with weirdos and annoying mfs that just cry all day
@@ulquiorra1235 The only ones crying are the ones who are literally crying about the last chapter(s)
foxen slander lets gooo
Foxen is a crowd pleaser.
thank you for breaking this down! Just thank you. EM shippers like Foxen is a menace to society.
Yup, people like Foxen Anime are literally the reason why COVID-19 existed. He probably secretly wanted China to win taking over the world and to make everyone eat bat soup and everyone be a slave to him humping Mikasa body pillows like the Nazi he is.
@@lordartoriuscollbrande7434 idk but aren't ending hater the reason why covid 19 existed cuz their want to destroy the entiry world 100% Thing.
Here's what could've saved Historia, gave the Shifters long lives and allowed Paradis to keep the Titans: Use the Founder to ask Ymir to remove the Curse of Ymir. I can't fucking believe nobody thought of that!
Exactly just get rid of the 13 year rule then you can keep the power for as long as you want
Your video was like listening to my own thoughts, THANKYOU for not being a sheep high up in the clouds of copium.
No one is gonna talk about how Ymir was freed twice? First by Eren, then by Mikasa? Eren freeing Ymir was retconned?!! Wtf?!? The ending makes that entire scene pointless!!! But if Ymir wasn’t actually free, how did she reject Zeke’s orders and start the rumbling? But if she rejected Zeke’s orders and started the rumbling under her own free will, why did the rumbling stop after Zeke died? Makes no sense and no one cares!!!! Wtf!!!!
Huh? Eren gave Ymir freedom of choice. Mikasa helped her make that choice.
If something doesn't make sense...have y'all ever just considered that you're not even TRYING to make sense at some point?
@@edwardedison1661 Even if what you said was true, that means Ymir made The Rumbling happen just so she could bring to fruition the moment that would help her to overcome her love for King Fritz. All that death and destruction for one person and we’re supposed to feel bad for her? She ruined The Whole world for her own sake!!!
@@reeseespino1253 Okay, and? You say that like the world was good in the first place to her when all it has even done was just bring her misery to the point where she gets drunk on a drop of love from one of the worst humans to ever exist.
Also, Ymir saw herself in Mikasa...so how else was she going to let go of her attachment to KF?
Also, also, you know how many people fucking died already? This is Aot bruh.
I agree, I simply didn't understand anything. The story started going downhill when the main characters came across Annie and they literally said nothing to her and laughed it off after all the suffering she caused. Season 4 is rushed. The poor animators have to work their asses off as well in a very short time. I could have waited some extra 2 years if it meant getting a better animated season with a better conclusion, it's like isayama is no longer interested in AoT and he just wants to finish it off.
@@edwardedison1661 Name one person in the alliance who died in the final battle against Eren. I'll wait. And in what chapter did Ymir see herself in Mikasa. these two are literally a juxtaposition.
I didn’t watch yet but my respect for you shot to 10000000%
Based. I appreciate the bit about how people think everyone who supported Eren before 139 is just a hungry bloodthirsty maniac, when in reality we just wanted to see his character reach it’s logical conclusion. The way people justify the ending is by taking the conclusion as fact and working backwards to force a narrative where it makes sense. Instead of using what we were shown in the story thus far and questioning if what happened in 139 is congruent with everything that came before it. It’s impressive mental gymnastics and a testament to how people will refuse to be critical with a property they love despite its numerous shortcomings. I love AoT but that doesn’t exempt it from criticism.
Great video, I also appreciate how respectful you were to the creator you were responding to. I’m not a fan of Foxen Anime but I think by presenting yourself honestly and not throwing shit at other people you make a far better case than most. Too many people in this fandom don’t really present our side well because they try to argue the person and not the point which means no one is actually listening. Really enjoyed this video!
Can't wait how Foxen defends titan powers still existing and Paradis being destroyed 😂🤞
God, when people say that eren is the same as he was in season 1 and compare 131 to 139 is makes me physically cringe since 131 shows us the culmination of erens character development while 139 destroys it for some cheap emotion and shock value.
131 showed erens humanity without contradicted anything he said or did in previous chapters while 139 went against everything eren stood for as a character and this is comming from someone who didn't even like timeskip eren
139 eren is nothing like eren in season one . Even kid eren will never stop moving forward he will never give up on his freedom for some walmart lelouch plan like eren said himself he was born this way. To make c139 make sense u need to say eren was acting in the whole manga even in his inner monologue and when he is alone which this what c139 defenders say and over what a f ship ? Idk what this story did to deserve this fandom
@@nah2685 yeah I really hate the argument the defenders say which is ' eren always wanted to destroy the titans and he did'. Like NO. Eren wanted FREEDOM and would fight anything that took his freedom. In season 1 to 3 it was the titans now it's the rest of humanity therefore the full timing alligns perfectly with this philosophy. Also people that say the all of eren after the timeskip is a facade are honestly dumb cos they don't see the development over 3 seasons that forced eren to push aside his emotions in order to fight for the bigger goal. I admit the mikasa, Armin talk was fake as he had to push them away as they would hinder his "full rumbling plan". Apart from that I would say he was being mostly himself, I would say imo that PATHS eren is his truest self. I don't like 139 because it shits on all erens previous moments, introduces love for no reason, and just tells us, well not everyone is dead and so even though they are angry and wanna kill u our lord and saviour Armin is there to hypnotize them into peace.
Sorry for the long rant, I just saw foxxen's video and that made me laugh out of disbelief lol.
what's worse, they actually interpret 131 as Eren being mad at people *JUST EXISTING* . they think he's driven by Armin's book, even though chapter 84 shows Eren admitting to forgetting all about Armin's book lmao.
U dropped this 👑
AnimeUproar is another UA-camr that also said we did not understand the story. 👻
say less
@@saintitchief yes! Reveal those hypocrites!
@@pluoit2496 how is it hypocrisy? Arrogance, maybe. But hypocrisy?
And guess what he is a big em shipper lmaoo
@@saintitchief Abu manga Review is the other youtuber too 💀
This Foxen man about to read the complete chapter in June and retract everything. Cause titans still there and Paradis gone. Now was 80% still smart? Deadass
The bigger UA-camrs played it safe by skating around the ending by giving a watered down view for engagement and clicks. I couldn't make it through his last chapter video because he was straddling that fence so hard.
To be fair i have seen a few of the bigger channels starting to trash it after these new leaks but yeah they are just shills. They try watch every anime under the sun and are therefor casuals that dont understand things properly
i understand that Isayama changed the ending for a crash grab sequel
Naruto's last arc was kinda ass and there really weren't any stakes. We now know Kishimoto kept most of the characters alive for the sequel, that he wouldn't end up writing.
Similarly, Isayama trashed his ending to set up for a sequel. Ofc, he won't write it himself since he's retiring.
it was Hajime Isayama editor who is a Huge EM shipper who ruined other works ending as well Isayama also said who his editor is too XD
@@devinomatsu2444 The editor is more an EMA fan than he is an EM fan, there’s a reason he allowed Mikasa to move on with another man is cause he hated Eren and felt that he needed some humiliation.
@@patrickdavies9790 Isayama editor was not the one to look over the 8 page's what are you talking about it was like 2 or 1 other person looking at the page's
@@SuperMatthew345 Sequel with 1 kid of paradis yeeeeeeeeeee boy
Nothing but a hype man youtuber. They really need a step back from their egos and listen to the other side.
10:39
“Because it wasn’t an AAAAAAAAAACT!”
Talk to em bro
Foxen is delusional
That moment when you are an em shipper and a few weeks ago u defend the ending like ur life depend on it,and now after the leaks ur trying to came up with some "smart"excuses,that doesn't make sense at all, when in fact all you could say is that you don't like it cuz ur ship isn't that canon after all,and the only reason u like it in the first place was bc ur cringe ship. Suddently everyone notice the plot holes now. Isn't the "strOng LoVe" enought anymore?
God I used to watch Foxen because I liked the stuff he put out but
That "Eren pulled an act that you guys fell for" pissed me off.
If it was an act, we would have had breadcrumbs and foreshadowing for that. Instead what we got was that Eren saw too much that messed him up, so he tried to commit the best possible outcome that would result in his friends living long lives and not have to worry about any wars declared on Paradis.
Clearly he failed because he killed 80% of humanity, and if the leaks are true (which I won't be surprised if they are), then Paradis is pretty much the definition of screwed.
_Also_ if Animals = Titans.
Then that means he could've gone with Zeke's Euthanasia plan.
Foxen is cringe af, I never liked his "analysis" videos, and I never understood why he was so popular
Eren stopped talking about wiping out titans once he reached the beach . Foxen did u forget that he’s new goal to was to obtain freedom by liking his enemies beyond the sea what story does this guy read
He didn't understand the story
@@rickchakraborty2087 no you fake snk fan you are the one who didn't understand the story !!😡you don't deserve isayama and snk 😡😡😡
@@Blackbirdiiie Does your point have any relevance to this comment besides the whole 'No u' point?
@@spartanoreo5075 I was being sarcastic..
@@Blackbirdiiie Ah!! Imma take this L and walk outside for a bit. Xp
Foxen was known to be an EM shipper. That's why I think he liked the ending.
can 139 defenders please stop saying Chad Eren was an act?!
Kid Eren literally killed Mikasa's kidnappers in cold blood and wasn't sorry about it.
His breaking down in 131 was so meaningful now it means shit.
How high was Foxen when he made this video, lol
Ishyama literally made an entire chapter that proved " Chad eren " isn't an act otherwise why have mikasa and Armin question if they ever really understood eren if it was all an act?
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Exactly. Eren's growth to becoming an anti-hero made sense. And omg, have you seen the leaks for the additional pages of 139? Paradis got destroyed lmao.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 right like can someone tell me why mikasa threw Armin on the table if there was no truth to her being a slave smh. Ig only ymir knows.
@@EternalxSnow yea I saw clown shoes shit
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Eren boy did die achieving nothing in the end. Why did Isayama had to massacre his character like that....
even soul was disappointed, he commented "lol" on his eren jaeger video after the ending got released
Foxen would not even dare have a debate with the people who understand the story. He is scared to be whooped by reality.
'Why doesn't the world just blow up Paradis island? Well, thankfully Isayama already explained this, Paradis is safe for decades and decades'
Isayama, literally days later: *Paradis gets carpet bombed into oblivion
This is what happens when you try and blindly defend stuff ignoring all critical aspects of reality
"Eren's goal was to eradicate titans" I can't express how much I hate this argument. Eren didn't give a shit about titans, he care more about being a scout, the idea of being free, not locked inside caged walls. Why don't people understand that titans are literally just weapons of war? For those who like making this argument, if you're mom was shot by a gun, would you blame the gun or the person who shot her? Would you feel better by beating the shit out of the gun or the person who pull the trigger? These sort of argument are dumb, Eren's hatred started with the titans because that's all he ever know, but as time went on he realizes that humanity caused his Mother's death (until 139 of course).
Exactly that's what I've saying this whole time. If a person shot your mom you're not gonna destroy every gun in the world you're gonna kill the people that set up your mother's death. Thats such a stupid argument titans weren't the main reason people hated eldians its because of the sins of there ancestors. They even stated that the titan powers were soon to be rendered useless because of the worlds advancements in technology and once that happens they'll slaughter all the eldians. And him being the one that killed his mom🤮 that was so unnecessary could've literally left that out and it would have no effect in the story
He didn’t understand the story, he’s just mad that his ship isn’t canon. He shouldn’t disrespect Isayama’s hard work, he’s so ungrateful 🥺😤
Every AoT fanboy ever:
@@rickchakraborty2087 Every wannabe sardonic:
You shippers are fucking cancer
@@marcoarana2773 this was a jab at the shippers dumbass
I get it.
Why is erens character rocket science that’s to hard to understand according to foxen anime. Chapter 137 to chap139 defenders are embarrassments what’s there to defend. So fake Chad eren who we heard his inner monologue was an act Yh right. It’s best if foxen anime doesn’t make attack on Titan videos anymore
Can't wait for them last pages to come out 😂😂
13:40 that comparing made me mad too
Eren's breakdown at first time was understandable - knowing he was going to kill that innocent boy (who also dreamed about freedom)
Second one is so disgraceful... I would understand if he fell down in tears beside Armin and said "Armin please... I had no another choice... I had to kill them... I had felt myself so bad all those 4 years, sometimes never had a proper sleeping... I know... What I've done can't be justified or excused... But I really am Sorry about all pain I had to bring..."
Foxen a SAO fan. That's all you need to know lol
Wtf thanks for letting me know. Never watching his cringe again. Yikes.
Even i disagree with his eva 3+1 review
@@KyngD469 just cause he likes sao lol grow up
Wow lucky I didn't watch that video on my own. Without you debunking his theories everytime he said something stupid, I might have cringed to death, good analysis man.
Been watching foxen for years, turns out he was also a clown like eren himself
I really didn't the part where "80%" of the world was wiped out. Why is there a specific number and why is it so severely lacking? The writers could have simply put "The majority of the world was wiped out." At least with that there's some ambiguity if Eren succeeded in protecting the island.
Look how one chapter can completely destroy such an amazing and huge series. Great video man, you and IDontknowAnything are the only youtubers i know who are telling the truth about this garbage and not lying to yourselves.
I want to kill all the titans (beginning) ----> Character development and plot progression - WE are the Titans, we deserve freedom no matter how we're born and what we're born with ----> I want to wipe out our enemies who keep us from Freedom -----> Destroys all titans.... Is satisfied? (ending)
You can not tell me this isn't ERASING development.
degradation is what you call for eren to Aaron
Man you funny as hell 😭😭 stay having me crying with these reactions keep it up! Love the logical explanations
I hate that phrase. People kept replying to any criticism about the ending with that same dumb phrase
I swear, every time I see another argument from ending defenders, it's just keep getting worse.
So Eren killing thousands in Liberio and later the Rumbling was all an act!??..Foxen Anime is really pandering To the Ending Defenders that he is going through serious mental Gymnastics.
Bruh when he compared those scenes 🤦🤦🤦
Guys let's all be honest that's not the real eren in chapter 139. That doesn't even look like eren, he doesn’t even sound like eren, it doesn't feel like eren,
Eren disappeared in chapter 122😂
Then who tf was that guy in 139? 😂
@@rickchakraborty2087 His long lost cousin Irin
@@rickchakraborty2087 Aaron yogurt took over
@@rickchakraborty2087 🤣 that's the cheap version Walmart of Eren.
@@eh-bd2ee Ikr🤣
eren saying he doesnt know why he did the rumbling, and that he did it because its his destiny is stupid. in the cell, when levi notices Eren's spirit and will, and the fact he will keep moving forward, even willing to take anyones freedom to achieve his, this shows what type of character he is, and always was. He knows why he did the rumbling. It's not that he really wanted to, even though he did, but its because he was only person willing to, and had the power to stop suffering and war, and that he felt that he had to do it.
Attack on Titan is a story about a Jewish boy with the power to kill all Nazis and if he has to sacrifice his friends for the greater good of his race he would be willing to do so as a martyr, and in a sense become a “Tyrant” himself. That is what makes AOT so philosophically perplexing and yet so undeniably gorgeous. And the wonderful parallel of human morality between Eren and Armin as to who’s way is “right” is a testament that Isayama understood and wanted to convey a powerful message to us but for some reason, be it cracking under pressure or the studio forcing a sequel , he simply missed the mark.
Isayama literally would take a dump on paper & foxen would still find a way to make a 10 minute video about it.....
@Goldmetal Alchesmith will keep defending him either way.
Foxen is a complete clown. I'd critique his video but I don't want to give 139 defender/apologists any clicks or views. I'd rather give it to videos like this that are following for the plot and calling out the blatant BS retcons and nonsense we've been served in lieu of an ending that ties everything together.
12:18 "Expect AOT S4 anime to reuse Kid Eren's Ep 2 line.
It feels soooo good to know how wrong he was about that.
💀 expose them 👑
eren wanting his friends to live long lives was a desire not his main mission
13:25 that comparison is just ludicrous
Bro mans said eren was naively doing things and then said he saw that Sasha was going to die in the future🗿that’s the problem with people who are defending the ending they say something and then just completely contradict themselves
Many times throughout this video, all I could do was laugh at the willful ignorance from Foxen and a lot of other people defending Eren's character assassination. One thing that has irked me in particular is that people have said that if the Rumbling was a 100% success, it does not guarantee that Paradis would not destroy itself due to inner conflict. That is true, but for some reason as mentioned at 23:50, they completely ignore the fact that the world wanted Paradis and its people destroyed simply for existing! That is no way a justifiable comparison. You earned a subscriber.
The extra pages indicate that the titan power may not have disappeared and the island was bombed into no man's land. lmao so what's the difference between Eren's plan and Zeke's? Eren killed more people than Zeke?
I guarantee that the anime is going to make it look like eren had feelings for mikasa
Yea this man really shocked me. Bad take foxen
Its one thing if Foxxen just said his opinion as disagreeable as it is. But he had to be condescending towards ppl with legit arguments the whole video was "Half of yall just don't get it." Idk man but I've never seen a story with a decent ending divide a fandom to this extent. When Tokyo ghoul ended there were some ppl who didn't care too much for it but nobody was saying it didn't make sense and half the fandom wasn't arguing with each other on not just the grounds on rather it was good but on the grounds of if it made sense or not. I know Foxxen is one of the bigger SNK youtubers idk if he scared that Isayama might see his video or why he was dick ridding so hard. Even the ppl who thought the ending was okay had some criticism he's the only English Speaking youtuber I've seen with such a positive take on this.
Lol I found the ending good, Reiner sniffing that paper made it hood smh
He is just a business man making his audience fool
Zeke even says Eren doesn't know everything.
foxen: 🤡