That was pretty funny hearing it out loud. Like if the Gundam was actually on Side 3, Zeon would celebrate Christmas early as the Federation just handed them their ticket to winning the war. Think of all the advancements in MS technology they’ll make if they have the Gundam in their possession. Char will get one painted red with all the limiters taken off. Rambal Ral may get one painted blue. And the third one will be used to study and reverse engineer its weapons. Basically speeding up the process of making the Gelgoog or at least a Zaku that can use beam rifles. Whatever comes out will be given to the Black Tri-Stars.
@@TheHiddenBoss I think that one of the What Ifs in Ghiran's Greed is What if Zeon captured the Gundam? I haven't played the games myself because I just simply haven't had the means to do so, but I remember there being a Zeon Gundam on the fandom wiki. There is also a Casval Gundam where Amuro dies and Char defects to take his place and yes, this means we get a Red Gundam. Perhaps a future video can go into the "What ifs" of the games, but for now I am just going to rewatch the lore videos and look up random scenes from various series.
I've been saying this for years. They could also address interesting tidbits of lore (like Rau and Mu's childhood) and adapt manga stories like G-Unit without an OVA.
I wanna see a more Halo Legends style anthology. Just, short stories of various aces or pilots or ships or even civilians during the OYW, maybe with another series of a later conflict as well. We SORT of got this with Gundam Evolve, but only sort of. But yeah. Short stories that don't really impact the canon in seriously messed up ways(We're gonna ignore Spartan 1337 for this one), but that sort of work to flesh out the universe a bit.
For alternate universe throw my hat in for the archangel, i really liked how that ship had a tactical prescense on the battlefield and the beam cloud defense
@@GPowtlaw2 I agree, the Archangel-Class Carriers were pretty damn potent for a ship. The Lohengrins alone would be great, but then you throw in the Anti-Beam Cloud...
I actually like the canon/non canon controversy about the full armor gundam.. it perfectly represents the different interest groups in the EF.. so it might have been build and completet by one division going around the back of some big shot or something alike
Or, alternatively, the incomplete Full Armor Gundam and/or it's blueprints could have somehow fallen into the hands of a Mercenary or other militarized organization (such as through theft) that then had the machine fully completed, and possibly even modified to maintain it's improved armor and firepower without the loss of speed and agility, and they then fielded it at their "Ace" unit that was used by their commander and/or most skilled pilot. And because the EF would have found a lapse in security like the loss of the FA Gundam humiliating, they could have completely disavowed any knowledge or involvement with it's development and construction, while also wanting to find and destroy the unit to add credence to their lie. Hell, that might even make for an entertaining kind of story in Gundam, where the "protagonists" may not be entirely morally-upstanding, and may even have fluctuating loyalties (like with Mercenaries, their loyalties would shift with whomever was employing them at that particular moment, so that the enemies faced by the FA Gundam in one battle could end up being the FA Gundam's *allies* in the next). Or maybe even have the Mercenary outfit actually *be* the most morally-upstanding people in the setting. I know Tekkadan could technically be considered a mercenary organization, but I would argue that they actually *aren't* (or, if they are, they do not remain as such for very long, since they become firmly allied with Teiwaz fairly early on, and they remain so for the entire run of the show).
Only amuro rx-78, the other such as full armor gundam could be considered as non canon, while gundam 04 and 05 join the battle of aboa qu on what if 05 able to safe 04 from weapon malfunction story route
Bro the Mobile Suit in gundam Thunderbolt are ridiculously very advanced for it's era,even the full armor gundam TB are highly advanced compared to the RX-78-2 gundam
If I remembered correctly, in one chapter of the manga (roughly episode 3 of anime) there's a group of EFSF pilots that were sending to stationed at Beehive (Moore Brotherhood flagship) which made up of childrens and teenagers and in same chapter there's a mentioning that there is a teenager or a 16 years old kid (I can't remembered what is the actual lines) who piloted a Gundam which is directly reference to Amuro Ray, the protagonist of the original Gundam. This easter egg/reference are only in manga and not in the anime.
You can think of Thunderbolt as a very close alternate universe to UC. Like the basic premise is valid in the UC timeline, but the details are slightly different.
One thing I wondered why didn't zeon field their non beam compatible suits with shotguns in larger numbers when its proven to be devastating to gundarium armor and continued to penetrate armor of suits decades more advanced than the weapon itself.
@@lokix19azxc13 I know. But if a weapon is proven less and less effective they should of quickly phased out the machine guns and kept developing the shotguns further.
is the astray outframe considered as one? its used by jess rabble who is a journalist, it's "gun" is one big ass camera, and it has a backpack that is literally a camper.
Again there is the Mobile Worker Units used in Gundam Wing at the Winner Family Resource Satellite. I don't know if they are the same already mentioned Worker Leos but they appear I believe only once in the entire series. Let's see if I can find them in the series. Ah Ha! Found them. Episode 21 of Wing Grief Stricken Quatre. They appear at 10:56 mark. They are basically a sort of a set of Mobile Suit-like legs with an exposed cockpit above that then with some tools and such in arm-like attachments on the side. There is a good Black and White Lineart for these units over at the Gundam Wing page on MAHQ. Also, speaking of Gundam Wing we also have the Maganac Mobile Suits, but I think these fall under your mentioned category in this video.
thanks for updating the question of civilian owned Mobile Suit. regarding to your closing note about the differences between civilians and non civilians is easy. Civilians make a living due to work in non combatant activities. It doesn't make a change if you call yourself "personal protection service" or "mercenary" or "army" or "pirate", if you make a living in a way that includes combat, you are not a civilian.
You should do a What If about characters from various mobile suit series ending up inside mobile suits from different series... Such as if Amuro Ray ended up in the Gundam Wing universe somehow.
I remember reading back in the day that 7 RX-78-1 units were initially built, with 3 being upgraded to 78-2, traveling to side 7, and only one unit surviving with the others almost entirely lost aside from a few parts that made it on the White Base before they escaped. Of the remaining 4, the units created were the Heavy Gundam (modified from the first FA test type), the G04 and G05, and the Mudrock, with the Alex being a completely new machine created without using the original 7. But if there were 8, that does give an option for the RX-78FA for Thunderbolt. RX-78-7 was NOT deployed during the OYW, first being deployed in 0081 (Senki was created as a canon entry for the 30th anniversary of Gundam). As for Civilian MS, it's worth pointing to the colony of Fardain in Gundam AGE, where we also see a really cool civilian MS with a heat shovel and pickaxe. Technically, all of the machines in Fardain were considered civilian... Okay, AGE was just absolutely PACKED with civilian suits.
I still maintain that all of the gundams in 00 ARE technically civilian owned mobile suits. Celestial being is a private militia which means they are still completely civilian in every legal sense.
I'm not sure of some of the suits mentioned. But I do have to say that just because a machine maybe a worker unit doesn't necessarily mean it is civilian. Militaries tend to modify machines into engineering vehicles. I'm sighting the Leo as I'm not sure if it was truly civilian, but could be wrong. Other suits could fall in to the same category though.
Also, whats the story on the GINN High-Manuver Type 2? Were the Coordinators using them to drop the remains of Junius 7 on the earth, no long Zaft affiliated, and therefore 'civilians', or what would the classification of the GINN HM2 be in this case?
Your pick, customization, design if you can be in Gundam Build Fighter universe. Maybe two separate designs for GBF period and GBD period based on gunpla damage system?
Can you do an investigation into why so many gundam series have power sources that interfere with communication (minovsky reactors, ahab drives, GN drives, etc...) is this just a common trope? Or is there some reason for this?
did you know you could get rx 82-1 gundam near the end of double zeta closer to thunder bolts for civic and in age 2 was civic /pirate own and all of gundam wing main character ms where totally civic or assassin depending on what you see through your eyes like to hear more of gundam wing another gundam
Gundam Battle front stated that the G line "last of the 7 Gundam units of RX-78's second unit series" would that have something to do with the RX78 line?
What exactly do you mean by Gundam Thunderbolt is it's own variant of the UC? You mean to tell me that Thunderbolt doesn't exist within the main UC timeline? How is this so?
karkarot what are you talking about the slave wraith isn't cannon? wait wasn't the slave wraith in a novel or Manga ? the pilot for the slave wraith travis appeared in the pale rider series did he not? he also appeared in double zeta
As a gundam fan there one topic before that was never talk about that much the gundam multiverse other than ibo and that would be pmc and mercenaries in gundam and how are they regulated serpent tail had a gundam that easily destroy any mass produced units while in u.c the pmc themis comprised of former titan and zeon pilots not only destroy a Federation base defense but also went toe to toe with e.f.a.f paratrooper ms team
Love your stuff dude watch these videos all the time and i had two questions for you one do you play battle operations 2, and can you tell us some lore about the gundam north American local type
No one should forget age.it was actually real good all over till the fan base didnt want to give it a chance and the last generation of age was cut in half and rushed which was sad as i like the age-3 and it others forms, didnt really like the FX though as it reminded me of kira and strike freedom -.-'... But if the fans would had given it a better chance i think it would had turned out alot better then it did.honestly in my opinion age is one of those hidden gems in the gundam world
What is the purpose for Earth Federation to make the RX-78-1 to 7? Is it for testing weaponry? Why don't they just make one single mobile suit that can used any weaponry for testing purpose? And also, did you play SD Gundam CrossRays?
Seriously seriously big question here... so we know that mankind can reach the astroid belt AND that we can colonize the moon and lows atmospheric environments and mars would have allot of untapped resources but its never talked about in the one year war soo i am curious as to what was going on with it and if it was colonized then who controlled it?
Weren't those manned by AEUG people, or am I just remembering wrong. Also, they probably don't really count as mobile suits, same as the little mobile worker thing that Banagher uses at the beginning of Unicorn.
Derp, accidentally clicked delete instead of edit on my comment. Keep in mind that Missing Link and Fred Reber came after Gundam Unicorn. So at the time that episode of Unicorn was released, it was just a faceless Zeon piloting the Efreet Schneid. So for my original comment, "That is exactly how it is."
Ex-S would have an advantage in long range with better sensor and beam smart gun. Not to mention it has incom and reflector incom which increase a wide range of angle of attack, and I field generator which nullify beam rifle. But at mid-range, FA-ZZ does have a tons of missiles for bombardment which EX-S have low defense for and the Hi-Mega Cannon may overload the I field. As for Close Range, FA-ZZ have a more powerful beam saber with a longer reach. For Support Systems, FA-ZZ have the bio-sensor system which is only able to be used by NT and EX-S have the ALICE as control support, tipping in EX-S favor. As long as EX-S able to keep its distance, it would have a higher chance of winning. As for close combat, ZZ will over power EX-S.
Char Hyakushiki's beam-resistant coating armor couldn't even last in the last zeta fight, but his plot armor saved him adrift in space somehow. Amazing!
Given all this it means that if Gene didn't jump the gun on Side 7, the White Base MIGHT have had a "gundam team" of sorts during the One Year War at some point.
Even if they solve the engine problem (which looked awfully like a WW2 era problem that's already solved), it probably won't be too much better then ZakuII in ground combat, likely will just result in more Dom being produced.
Also Kelly Layzner's pet project didn't seem to be exactly top secret. His reaction to Kou's intrusion seemed to be less "oh crap this is big trouble" and more "get out of my stuff" At the very least Kou didn't find it extraordinary that he had a full sized mobile armor in the garage
You said it man, it's a huge turnaround from its prequel being happy go lucky and mediocre plot point. Re:Rise is just 1 straight story arc, characters' relationship building up from start as compared to the 1st season just tiny character plots and forgetting their importance afterwards in the show
I love how the original series showed a natural evolution of Gundams from RX78 to MKII, Zeta and finally ZZ. And then other writers are like: Nope, before Zeta, there were actually a few dozen ultra secret and super advanced Gundams that we never saw or heard about in Zeta. Like come on. Too much retconning. It's like saying that between WWI tanks and WWII tanks, we actually had a few ultra secret Abrams or t90's see some conflict, only to then transition into WWI era tanks.
Well, we DO see advanced shit pop up IRL for either single prototype or ultra limited production stuff only to be replaced by inferior versions later on. It happens because more often than not prototype advanced shit is hella expensive, fragile, or not feasible to mass produce. Take something like the G11 for example. Ultra futuristic, lightweight, blistering fire rate, superior caseless ammo, compact. But ridiculously internally complex, and costly to make- that’s why modern carbines, while not more “advanced” than it, are being chosen over something like that. But I do know what you’re getting at, and I do somewhat agree.
Is there an in-universe explanation why the Minovsky Fusion Reactor in early MS seem to go nuclear? 'Cause real-life nuclear reactors, even fission ones, don't actually "go nuclear" when damaged or maybe it's because of Minovsky particle shenanigans
That would be because they are Fusion reactors. Uncontrolled Fusion is far more explosive than Fission. What we have in real life is Fission and it is used to heat water up into steam to turn turbines, by Uranium 235 being struck by Neutrons and breaking down into two lighter elements some neutrons and releasing energy in the form of heat. So when a Nuclear reaction goes out of control in those kinds of plants. They tend to meltdown, which does cause an explosion of steam from the the rapid expansion of heat in the water that the Uranium fuel rods are kept in to try to control the reaction. Where as Fusion combines 2 hydrogen atoms into helium and releases GIGANTIC amounts of energy that usually always results in explosions. Unless controlled. Think The sun. The sun is just hundreds of millions of fusion bomb explosions kept in check by gravity. And these reactions can generate massive amounts of heat in the millions of degrees kelvin. Which is why when Mobile suit Reactors are damaged it destabilized the delicate balance in the reactor and causes the fusion reaction to instantly rage out of control and Kaboom.
In real life we actually do not have any Fusion reactors if we did it would be monumental and solve the worlds energy needs and end pollution for good.
It's funny, finding out exactly how many Gundams fought in the OYW. It reminds me a lot of how Star Wars is, there are things that are "canon" things that are semi-canon, and then non-canon. And I thought Gundam would be the easier of the two lol. I just found your channel recently. You've helped revive my interest in Gundam, along with a computer company (Asus) that's doing their parts x Gundam lol. Thanks for all the awesome info.
If I remember correctly, I read the marine gundam in a manga about brothers using their acguys to cross the desert to regroup with the remaining zeon forces back to the California base
Now if they had brought all those Gundams together in a unified fighting force a Gundam... wing if you will, they could have saved a lot of GM's and Sandwich meat.
Here's a question that came to me when I saw them flying overhead earlier today: Did the Federation or Zeon (or any major faction from the other timelines) have an MS squadron akin to the US Navy's Blue Angel Squadron?
It wouldn't surprise me, they likely did. Or, in the case of Zeon, they probably milked the reputations of their top Aces like Char & Johnny Ridden to enhance their efforts to recruit more troops.
While I won't deny the idea of a MS Aerobatic Demonstration team being a possibility in any of the stories or time lines, I don't think they would've. Part of the purpose of Aerobatic teams like the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds are to show how amazing their planes really are, and inspire awe in the crowd while sparking patriotic pride and a possibility of them enlisting, Mobile Suits are already awe inspiring even when standing still because of the scale of raw power they're capable of, plus the news coverage they get when they're fighting near a Colony side, and their major influence on warfare. In all honesty, you really don't need to paint up a MS and pilot it about in a big triangle formation, everyone already knows the shock and aw of a MS unit
@@blubberyoyster4 That's a fair point. Now that I think about it, I'm sure all one would need to do with an MS is just have it stand somewhere and look cool. Like those GINN at the start of SEED Destiny that had the ornate trimming and rifles made of wood.
@@bishopharroo2378 Yeah that Particular Ceremonial Ginn is probably the closest thing to a Military Demonstration Team you'll find, but they're more like the US Marines Rifle/Saber drill team rather than a Aircraft Aerobatic team like the Blue Angels
The closest we got to this was the GINN Ceremonial Types used by ZAFT. My own personal head canon is that they are not just used in parades and greeting VIPs like they are shown doing in Destiny, but are used as honor guard like units around the Supreme Council Building and that of the residence of the Supreme Council Chairman.
I think a lot of the mobile suits people are saying are civilian are missing the nature of the question. If I were to take everything to the extreme I could say: well Zeon is isnt part of the Federation government therefore all Zeon mobile suits are civilian. Which again isnt the point of the discussion.
What is the deal with the Windam? Some sources say it has Variable Phase Shift armor while others says unknown, I am fairly sure we saw in Seed Destiny some of them activate it... But then again we see wrecked ones still have their colour's so my theory is that the Earth Alliance is painting them to trick ZAFT due to their massive losses early on in the war to cut production time/cost to replace their losses? 🤔
And maybe even the Anf as the HRL sold that to pretty much anyone. So some may have been bought by regular civilians. Speaking of which, I do think there is that infographic of the different Anf paintjobs that are used by the different users of the machine including a civilian construction version.
Wait the gundam pixy is technically canon though? The gundam pixy pilot that was on the slave wraith team that deserted to zeon in doug Schniedes efreet appears In Gundam unicorn in the Torrington base assault in the same modded efreet. I can't remember where I read it but he also canonically withdrawn from the battle.
I don’t know if this counts but, all of the astaroth variations, or does that fall under the same classification as the Vist foundation machines? And Speaking of ibo:gecko will you ever do a video on that manga?
@@sixela2268 To add to this, despite Atlas Gundam have "RX-78" in its designation, its has nothing to do with the original RX-78 line. Same thing with the GP Gundams from 0083.
@@danielchew8739 probably a slight show of respect or at least something just to add some connection between the two even though they aren't of the same line
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@2:02 shipped to side 3!? Damn incompetent feddies and transport units - shipping right into the heart of zeon, they should have went with amazon
Damn, totally missed that one in editing.
Side 7*
@@kakarot197 lol its all good that was quite a massive list across multiple timelines excellent work!
That was pretty funny hearing it out loud. Like if the Gundam was actually on Side 3, Zeon would celebrate Christmas early as the Federation just handed them their ticket to winning the war. Think of all the advancements in MS technology they’ll make if they have the Gundam in their possession. Char will get one painted red with all the limiters taken off. Rambal Ral may get one painted blue. And the third one will be used to study and reverse engineer its weapons. Basically speeding up the process of making the Gelgoog or at least a Zaku that can use beam rifles. Whatever comes out will be given to the Black Tri-Stars.
@@TheHiddenBoss I think that one of the What Ifs in Ghiran's Greed is What if Zeon captured the Gundam? I haven't played the games myself because I just simply haven't had the means to do so, but I remember there being a Zeon Gundam on the fandom wiki. There is also a Casval Gundam where Amuro dies and Char defects to take his place and yes, this means we get a Red Gundam.
Perhaps a future video can go into the "What ifs" of the games, but for now I am just going to rewatch the lore videos and look up random scenes from various series.
Caught that too and was like, huh?
You know what would be cool?
A Star Wars the Clone Wars anthology type show, using MSV tales.
Igloo was kinda like that, but I heartily agree with you - an MSV-based anthology series would be rad.
I've been saying this for years. They could also address interesting tidbits of lore (like Rau and Mu's childhood) and adapt manga stories like G-Unit without an OVA.
Just please don't get Disney too involved in it.
I wanna see a more Halo Legends style anthology. Just, short stories of various aces or pilots or ships or even civilians during the OYW, maybe with another series of a later conflict as well.
We SORT of got this with Gundam Evolve, but only sort of. But yeah. Short stories that don't really impact the canon in seriously messed up ways(We're gonna ignore Spartan 1337 for this one), but that sort of work to flesh out the universe a bit.
Here's a list idea: Top 5 Main Character Ships e.g. Ptolemaios, Archangel, White Base etc.
1. White Base
2. Argama
3. Ra Cailum
4. Raddish
5. Flying Dutchman
For alternate universe throw my hat in for the archangel, i really liked how that ship had a tactical prescense on the battlefield and the beam cloud defense
@@GPowtlaw2 I agree, the Archangel-Class Carriers were pretty damn potent for a ship.
The Lohengrins alone would be great, but then you throw in the Anti-Beam Cloud...
Hm, would the Peacemillion count...? That thing was *huge*
@@Sierlea peacemillion is a *WIDEBOI*
I actually like the canon/non canon controversy about the full armor gundam.. it perfectly represents the different interest groups in the EF.. so it might have been build and completet by one division going around the back of some big shot or something alike
Or, alternatively, the incomplete Full Armor Gundam and/or it's blueprints could have somehow fallen into the hands of a Mercenary or other militarized organization (such as through theft) that then had the machine fully completed, and possibly even modified to maintain it's improved armor and firepower without the loss of speed and agility, and they then fielded it at their "Ace" unit that was used by their commander and/or most skilled pilot. And because the EF would have found a lapse in security like the loss of the FA Gundam humiliating, they could have completely disavowed any knowledge or involvement with it's development and construction, while also wanting to find and destroy the unit to add credence to their lie.
Hell, that might even make for an entertaining kind of story in Gundam, where the "protagonists" may not be entirely morally-upstanding, and may even have fluctuating loyalties (like with Mercenaries, their loyalties would shift with whomever was employing them at that particular moment, so that the enemies faced by the FA Gundam in one battle could end up being the FA Gundam's *allies* in the next). Or maybe even have the Mercenary outfit actually *be* the most morally-upstanding people in the setting. I know Tekkadan could technically be considered a mercenary organization, but I would argue that they actually *aren't* (or, if they are, they do not remain as such for very long, since they become firmly allied with Teiwaz fairly early on, and they remain so for the entire run of the show).
Question: how many Gundam's participated in the Battle of Abaoa Qu?
Only amuro rx-78, the other such as full armor gundam could be considered as non canon, while gundam 04 and 05 join the battle of aboa qu on what if 05 able to safe 04 from weapon malfunction story route
Wasn’t thunderbolt set in the OYW?
I believe officially it's not just non canon, but an alt timeline
Bro the Mobile Suit in gundam Thunderbolt are ridiculously very advanced for it's era,even the full armor gundam TB are highly advanced compared to the RX-78-2 gundam
@@gonzoengineering4894 yes u're right because in episode 5 there's a lot of contradiction compared to the original gundam anime
If I remembered correctly, in one chapter of the manga (roughly episode 3 of anime) there's a group of EFSF pilots that were sending to stationed at Beehive (Moore Brotherhood flagship) which made up of childrens and teenagers and in same chapter there's a mentioning that there is a teenager or a 16 years old kid (I can't remembered what is the actual lines) who piloted a Gundam which is directly reference to Amuro Ray, the protagonist of the original Gundam. This easter egg/reference are only in manga and not in the anime.
@@zakhaevshub4735 My man, the Gundam Ground Types in TB are advanced beyond RX-78-2.... EVERYTHING in TB is beyond the RX-78-2.
How is Gundam Thunderbolt not apart of regular UC?
Edit: Read my later reply I really had to put thought into what I consider Gundam cannon
cause it's in a seprate timeline
Just like gundam origins... there's just too many liberties taken for the sake of making a good series, that somewhat contradict the original cannon
You can think of Thunderbolt as a very close alternate universe to UC. Like the basic premise is valid in the UC timeline, but the details are slightly different.
It's like Marvel.
@@mr.flames360 I mean you can probably tell as the mobile suits in thunderbolt are so much more advanced than cannon UC.
One thing I wondered why didn't zeon field their non beam compatible suits with shotguns in larger numbers when its proven to be devastating to gundarium armor and continued to penetrate armor of suits decades more advanced than the weapon itself.
They have much more leftover inventory of zaku machine gun and zooks.
@@lokix19azxc13 I know. But if a weapon is proven less and less effective they should of quickly phased out the machine guns and kept developing the shotguns further.
is the astray outframe considered as one? its used by jess rabble who is a journalist, it's "gun" is one big ass camera, and it has a backpack that is literally a camper.
Again there is the Mobile Worker Units used in Gundam Wing at the Winner Family Resource Satellite. I don't know if they are the same already mentioned Worker Leos but they appear I believe only once in the entire series. Let's see if I can find them in the series. Ah Ha! Found them. Episode 21 of Wing Grief Stricken Quatre. They appear at 10:56 mark. They are basically a sort of a set of Mobile Suit-like legs with an exposed cockpit above that then with some tools and such in arm-like attachments on the side. There is a good Black and White Lineart for these units over at the Gundam Wing page on MAHQ. Also, speaking of Gundam Wing we also have the Maganac Mobile Suits, but I think these fall under your mentioned category in this video.
thanks for updating the question of civilian owned Mobile Suit.
regarding to your closing note about the differences between civilians and non civilians is easy.
Civilians make a living due to work in non combatant activities.
It doesn't make a change if you call yourself "personal protection service" or "mercenary" or "army" or "pirate", if you make a living in a way that includes combat, you are not a civilian.
You should do a What If about characters from various mobile suit series ending up inside mobile suits from different series... Such as if Amuro Ray ended up in the Gundam Wing universe somehow.
The marine Gundam did see some deployment it was in Noble Shroud but it was fighting against zee zulus but it didn’t exactly do very well.
I remember reading back in the day that 7 RX-78-1 units were initially built, with 3 being upgraded to 78-2, traveling to side 7, and only one unit surviving with the others almost entirely lost aside from a few parts that made it on the White Base before they escaped. Of the remaining 4, the units created were the Heavy Gundam (modified from the first FA test type), the G04 and G05, and the Mudrock, with the Alex being a completely new machine created without using the original 7. But if there were 8, that does give an option for the RX-78FA for Thunderbolt. RX-78-7 was NOT deployed during the OYW, first being deployed in 0081 (Senki was created as a canon entry for the 30th anniversary of Gundam).
As for Civilian MS, it's worth pointing to the colony of Fardain in Gundam AGE, where we also see a really cool civilian MS with a heat shovel and pickaxe. Technically, all of the machines in Fardain were considered civilian... Okay, AGE was just absolutely PACKED with civilian suits.
Q: Gonna ask again, whats the best and worst aquatic/amphibious MSs, question not restricted to just UC, bonus points if you make it a 5 by 5.
I still maintain that all of the gundams in 00 ARE technically civilian owned mobile suits. Celestial being is a private militia which means they are still completely civilian in every legal sense.
I didn't expect my question to cause such developments. Sorry and Thank you for going more in-depth!
I'm not sure of some of the suits mentioned. But I do have to say that just because a machine maybe a worker unit doesn't necessarily mean it is civilian. Militaries tend to modify machines into engineering vehicles. I'm sighting the Leo as I'm not sure if it was truly civilian, but could be wrong. Other suits could fall in to the same category though.
11:41 but Jupiter basically has its own government that he is a member of.
Anyone remember the Gundam Tristan?
Oh, the good looking MS but a terrible gunpla? I think so
The MG still haunts my dreams
@@anthonyvelasquez1277 MG? where is it!?
Also, whats the story on the GINN High-Manuver Type 2? Were the Coordinators using them to drop the remains of Junius 7 on the earth, no long Zaft affiliated, and therefore 'civilians', or what would the classification of the GINN HM2 be in this case?
Gundam astaroth and Vual yuhanna from IBO Gekko. it was owned by tanto tempo a trading company
A marine Gundam did appear in manga Agguy 400 miles
Do you think you can go over all of the gundams and versions of them that exists in advance of zeta, as well as all the other non gundam mobile suits?
Trust me, that would likely take him some time. I have been working on a video like that for a bit and keep stumbling on new information.
Your pick, customization, design if you can be in Gundam Build Fighter universe. Maybe two separate designs for GBF period and GBD period based on gunpla damage system?
Can you do an investigation into why so many gundam series have power sources that interfere with communication (minovsky reactors, ahab drives, GN drives, etc...) is this just a common trope? Or is there some reason for this?
12:04 NICE!!!
did you know you could get rx 82-1 gundam near the end of double zeta closer to thunder bolts for civic and in age 2 was civic /pirate own and all of gundam wing main character ms where totally civic or assassin depending on what you see through your eyes
like to hear more of gundam wing another gundam
Is Silver Bullet count as Civilian MS too? And also, yellow worker MS with shovel in AGE 1
Gundam Battle front stated that the G line "last of the 7 Gundam units of RX-78's second unit series" would that have something to do with the RX78 line?
Gundam Canon? Do you mean... The Gun-Canon? Ahh? Ahhhhhh? Anyone? I should stop? Okay...
What if the 8th unit was the unit from thunderbolt used by ensign lo fleming
Kinda been wondering why Zeon had some better amphibious MS compared yo the Federation who had the actual earth.
It's mostly because they focused on that a bit too hard for their own good, because they really wanted to take out Jaburo for some reason.
that stargazer one made me choke. i was eating gdamnit
What exactly do you mean by Gundam Thunderbolt is it's own variant of the UC? You mean to tell me that Thunderbolt doesn't exist within the main UC timeline? How is this so?
karkarot what are you talking about the slave wraith isn't cannon? wait wasn't the slave wraith in a novel or Manga ? the pilot for the slave wraith travis appeared in the pale rider series did he not? he also appeared in double zeta
As a gundam fan there one topic before that was never talk about that much the gundam multiverse other than ibo and that would be pmc and mercenaries in gundam and how are they regulated serpent tail had a gundam that easily destroy any mass produced units while in u.c the pmc themis comprised of former titan and zeon pilots not only destroy a Federation base defense but also went toe to toe with e.f.a.f paratrooper ms team
Didn't expect to see my comment lol, cheers!
Unit 8 is the G-Saviour confirmed
Love your stuff dude watch these videos all the time and i had two questions for you one do you play battle operations 2, and can you tell us some lore about the gundam north American local type
What about RX-78XX Gundam Pixy(or Pixie)
No one should forget age.it was actually real good all over till the fan base didnt want to give it a chance and the last generation of age was cut in half and rushed which was sad as i like the age-3 and it others forms, didnt really like the FX though as it reminded me of kira and strike freedom -.-'... But if the fans would had given it a better chance i think it would had turned out alot better then it did.honestly in my opinion age is one of those hidden gems in the gundam world
Kakarot197 dose gundam kimaris count as acillian own gundam because Bauduin family own right or dose Gjallarhorn own i can't remember
prototype zaku i think counts as i think atleast one of them was built by a civilian company
Didn't he miss the full armour gundam from thunderbolt?
for Civvie mobile suits all the stuff owned by "Grey Stoke"
What is the purpose for Earth Federation to make the RX-78-1 to 7? Is it for testing weaponry? Why don't they just make one single mobile suit that can used any weaponry for testing purpose? And also, did you play SD Gundam CrossRays?
Where can i find the roundtable discussion?
Seriously seriously big question here... so we know that mankind can reach the astroid belt AND that we can colonize the moon and lows atmospheric environments and mars would have allot of untapped resources but its never talked about in the one year war soo i am curious as to what was going on with it and if it was colonized then who controlled it?
Oh yeah you forgot about the petite MS from Zeta Gundam, that was used against the Titans at Grenada.
Weren't those manned by AEUG people, or am I just remembering wrong. Also, they probably don't really count as mobile suits, same as the little mobile worker thing that Banagher uses at the beginning of Unicorn.
Im kind of disapointed for gremory gundam don't have gunpla yet. Are you wait for some mobile weapons from all gundam multiverse get as gunpla?
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I got one question: WHEN ARE YOU COVERING MOBILE ARMORS?!
Question: Do the events of Victory Gundam happen at the same time as Crossbone Ghost?
I Beleive ghost takes place just before it, Victory is in UC0153.
So wait, Fred Reber's Pixy isn't canon but the Efreet Schneid is?
Efreet existed and Pixy was denied. Yup, this is alot of question to be ask
I thought the Schneid was in blue destiny to?
@@Jacob.DTorres I believe the only one there was the EXAM equipped Efreet Custom, not the Schneid but I could be wrong.
Derp, accidentally clicked delete instead of edit on my comment.
Keep in mind that Missing Link and Fred Reber came after Gundam Unicorn. So at the time that episode of Unicorn was released, it was just a faceless Zeon piloting the Efreet Schneid.
So for my original comment, "That is exactly how it is."
Gotta feel bad for the Gunner Gundam since it got cancelled for being too similar to the Mudrock
Who do you think would win, the full armor double zeta gundam or the ex-s gundam(mechanics wise, not pilots)?
Ex-S would have an advantage in long range with better sensor and beam smart gun.
Not to mention it has incom and reflector incom which increase a wide range of angle of attack, and I field generator which nullify beam rifle.
But at mid-range, FA-ZZ does have a tons of missiles for bombardment which EX-S have low defense for and the Hi-Mega Cannon may overload the I field.
As for Close Range, FA-ZZ have a more powerful beam saber with a longer reach.
For Support Systems, FA-ZZ have the bio-sensor system which is only able to be used by NT and EX-S have the ALICE as control support, tipping in EX-S favor.
As long as EX-S able to keep its distance, it would have a higher chance of winning. As for close combat, ZZ will over power EX-S.
How did Char survive the events of Zeta being pretty much a drift in space and how did he get back to Zeon then become their leader?
@@maphlas7428 yeah, pretty much
@@maphlas7428 *because He is A CHAR
Because he is 3 times faster!
Char Hyakushiki's beam-resistant coating armor couldn't even last in the last zeta fight, but his plot armor saved him adrift in space somehow. Amazing!
He wasn't necessarily adrift in space. He may have taken a shuttle or an unmanned Mobile Suit.
Given all this it means that if Gene didn't jump the gun on Side 7, the White Base MIGHT have had a "gundam team" of sorts during the One Year War at some point.
What would happen if the Zudah became zeons 1st mass produced mobile suit instead of the Zaku 1?
With their engineering problems and that faulty engine, not long.
That would be nice what if
@@SuperFeatherYoshi zudah 2 would be cool though
Some sort of Kamikazee pilot program might also be made alongside it's deployment
Even if they solve the engine problem (which looked awfully like a WW2 era problem that's already solved), it probably won't be too much better then ZakuII in ground combat, likely will just result in more Dom being produced.
Also Kelly Layzner's pet project didn't seem to be exactly top secret. His reaction to Kou's intrusion seemed to be less "oh crap this is big trouble" and more "get out of my stuff"
At the very least Kou didn't find it extraordinary that he had a full sized mobile armor in the garage
the series with the highest amount of civilian MS
the builders universe
All the build universes are "meta" series. Its not a primary source for mobile suits so it really doesn't count. Much like the SD series Sengoku etc.
Gunpla are models, not actual mobile suits.
I don't really see as scale modeled versions of mechanical dolls as a mobile suit
Any opinions on the new Gundam Build Divers Re:Rise?
That went from a happy online game into a mass genocide in real life really quick.
You said it man, it's a huge turnaround from its prequel being happy go lucky and mediocre plot point. Re:Rise is just 1 straight story arc, characters' relationship building up from start as compared to the 1st season just tiny character plots and forgetting their importance afterwards in the show
I miss the original fun tone of Divers.
Watching Re:Rise just makes me depressed.
@@nedjoe647 a gundamseries being depressing, no way
I love how the original series showed a natural evolution of Gundams from RX78 to MKII, Zeta and finally ZZ. And then other writers are like: Nope, before Zeta, there were actually a few dozen ultra secret and super advanced Gundams that we never saw or heard about in Zeta. Like come on. Too much retconning. It's like saying that between WWI tanks and WWII tanks, we actually had a few ultra secret Abrams or t90's see some conflict, only to then transition into WWI era tanks.
Well, we DO see advanced shit pop up IRL for either single prototype or ultra limited production stuff only to be replaced by inferior versions later on. It happens because more often than not prototype advanced shit is hella expensive, fragile, or not feasible to mass produce. Take something like the G11 for example. Ultra futuristic, lightweight, blistering fire rate, superior caseless ammo, compact. But ridiculously internally complex, and costly to make- that’s why modern carbines, while not more “advanced” than it, are being chosen over something like that.
But I do know what you’re getting at, and I do somewhat agree.
It might be technically cannon, but I ignore it.
Wow thank you for using my comment on the video I'm glad I could contribute to the video
Gundam Lore: development history of the D-50C Loto please 🙏
I fucking love that weird little tankboi.
How about the thunderbolt Gundam?
He mentioned in the video that Thunderbolt is set in its own variation of the UC.
Is there an in-universe explanation why the Minovsky Fusion Reactor in early MS seem to go nuclear? 'Cause real-life nuclear reactors, even fission ones, don't actually "go nuclear" when damaged or maybe it's because of Minovsky particle shenanigans
That would be because they are Fusion reactors. Uncontrolled Fusion is far more explosive than Fission. What we have in real life is Fission and it is used to heat water up into steam to turn turbines, by Uranium 235 being struck by Neutrons and breaking down into two lighter elements some neutrons and releasing energy in the form of heat. So when a Nuclear reaction goes out of control in those kinds of plants. They tend to meltdown, which does cause an explosion of steam from the the rapid expansion of heat in the water that the Uranium fuel rods are kept in to try to control the reaction.
Where as Fusion combines 2 hydrogen atoms into helium and releases GIGANTIC amounts of energy that usually always results in explosions. Unless controlled. Think The sun. The sun is just hundreds of millions of fusion bomb explosions kept in check by gravity. And these reactions can generate massive amounts of heat in the millions of degrees kelvin.
Which is why when Mobile suit Reactors are damaged it destabilized the delicate balance in the reactor and causes the fusion reaction to instantly rage out of control and Kaboom.
In real life we actually do not have any Fusion reactors if we did it would be monumental and solve the worlds energy needs and end pollution for good.
@@LunaS043 (Looks at Jesus and Freedom)
@@LunaS043 we do have them but there not efficient
@@akiramiller9025 Noooo There are no true fusion reactors. But none of them create any sort of real energy.
I just wanted to point out how cool you are for reading people's comments, then going back over what you missed in your previous video
I can't believe you caught mine!
For a video idea, how about ships? Getting a rundown on stuff like the Salamis-Class and such would be pretty nice!
**cough**
Make a Top 5 boyfriend/girlfriend death.
It's funny, finding out exactly how many Gundams fought in the OYW. It reminds me a lot of how Star Wars is, there are things that are "canon" things that are semi-canon, and then non-canon. And I thought Gundam would be the easier of the two lol. I just found your channel recently. You've helped revive my interest in Gundam, along with a computer company (Asus) that's doing their parts x Gundam lol. Thanks for all the awesome info.
let's get meta here.
is the yokohama gundam a civilian owned mobile suit? XD
Gundam Pixy is not Canon ?
HERESY I SAY
H E R E S Y ! ! ! !
If I remember correctly, I read the marine gundam in a manga about brothers using their acguys to cross the desert to regroup with the remaining zeon forces back to the California base
@Esteban Capulin yeah that one
Mobile Suit Gundam - Acguy: 2250 Miles Across North America
Top 10 fleet filler battleships. For ex: The Salamis Kai. Obviously, no "protag" or Main cast ships like the Argama or White Base.
How did banana got the Gundam mk2
I think it’d be fun to hear you breakdown some of the more significant differences between the various UC-canon (Thunderbolt, Origin, etc)
Gbo2 MS pics are nice lol
Now if they had brought all those Gundams together in a unified fighting force a Gundam... wing if you will, they could have saved a lot of GM's and Sandwich meat.
What gundams and mobile suits in the UC have an Artificial Intelligence?
Here's a question that came to me when I saw them flying overhead earlier today: Did the Federation or Zeon (or any major faction from the other timelines) have an MS squadron akin to the US Navy's Blue Angel Squadron?
It wouldn't surprise me, they likely did. Or, in the case of Zeon, they probably milked the reputations of their top Aces like Char & Johnny Ridden to enhance their efforts to recruit more troops.
While I won't deny the idea of a MS Aerobatic Demonstration team being a possibility in any of the stories or time lines, I don't think they would've. Part of the purpose of Aerobatic teams like the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds are to show how amazing their planes really are, and inspire awe in the crowd while sparking patriotic pride and a possibility of them enlisting, Mobile Suits are already awe inspiring even when standing still because of the scale of raw power they're capable of, plus the news coverage they get when they're fighting near a Colony side, and their major influence on warfare. In all honesty, you really don't need to paint up a MS and pilot it about in a big triangle formation, everyone already knows the shock and aw of a MS unit
@@blubberyoyster4 That's a fair point. Now that I think about it, I'm sure all one would need to do with an MS is just have it stand somewhere and look cool. Like those GINN at the start of SEED Destiny that had the ornate trimming and rifles made of wood.
@@bishopharroo2378 Yeah that Particular Ceremonial Ginn is probably the closest thing to a Military Demonstration Team you'll find, but they're more like the US Marines Rifle/Saber drill team rather than a Aircraft Aerobatic team like the Blue Angels
The closest we got to this was the GINN Ceremonial Types used by ZAFT. My own personal head canon is that they are not just used in parades and greeting VIPs like they are shown doing in Destiny, but are used as honor guard like units around the Supreme Council Building and that of the residence of the Supreme Council Chairman.
What happened to the rest of the Gundam frames from iron blooded orphans mobile suit Gundam
Some of Gundam frame were destroy in calamity war other we're in Gjallarhorn's headquarters underground hangar and some fell to pirates
also another thing that doesn't make any sense is that how comes they were only 3 Gundam unicorn
I have a question how many Monoeye gundams are there?
then we have the strange kit-bash Mobile Suits from Crossbone Gundam: Dust, those are technically civilian units used in gang styled wars.
I'll add between the non-canonical the Gundam GT-4 from MS Generation! They got for sure 2 prototype during the OYW, and 2 just after.
And as honorable mention the B-Gundam!
I think a lot of the mobile suits people are saying are civilian are missing the nature of the question. If I were to take everything to the extreme I could say: well Zeon is isnt part of the Federation government therefore all Zeon mobile suits are civilian. Which again isnt the point of the discussion.
I'd like to see a history of piracy in the Universal Century.
What is the deal with the Windam? Some sources say it has Variable Phase Shift armor while others says unknown, I am fairly sure we saw in Seed Destiny some of them activate it... But then again we see wrecked ones still have their colour's so my theory is that the Earth Alliance is painting them to trick ZAFT due to their massive losses early on in the war to cut production time/cost to replace their losses? 🤔
I don't know if it counts exactly but does the "Gundam" piloted by Master Asia's horse in G Gundam qualify as civilian owned?
It's called Fuunsaiki, and since it's a participant in the Gundam Fight, I'd guess no
Fuunsaiki no, but the devil gundam would count...if you could just go somewhere and actually buy that thing.
They need to remake Gundam Zeonic front
If we included all the non-canon Gundam during the OYW, we'll end up with a very long video full of ridiculous designs.
As for other civilian MS, there is the Workloader from 00. Yes that thing is classified as an MS.
And maybe even the Anf as the HRL sold that to pretty much anyone. So some may have been bought by regular civilians. Speaking of which, I do think there is that infographic of the different Anf paintjobs that are used by the different users of the machine including a civilian construction version.
Spinner rodi gunpla is needed don't matter grade it just has to happen
As per Tomino originally there’s only one RX-78 which is RX-78-2 that went into production.. the rest are just added for financial reasons..
Kakarot197, the gundam version of hiddenxperia
Can u tell me about how many gundams were ride by amuro?
And also did u read manga about Gundam EXA?
@@SuperFeatherYoshi Technically RX-78-3 in the end at A Baoa Qu
What about other?
@@mazinquartz9781 No other gundam aside from those three, zeta plus isn't a gundam and hi nu gundam isn't canon
Wait the gundam pixy is technically canon though? The gundam pixy pilot that was on the slave wraith team that deserted to zeon in doug Schniedes efreet appears In Gundam unicorn in the Torrington base assault in the same modded efreet. I can't remember where I read it but he also canonically withdrawn from the battle.
Unicorn has shown the Efreet Schneid but it has never shown who the pilot is, maybe its not Fred and this is a whole new story.
I don’t know if this counts but, all of the astaroth variations, or does that fall under the same classification as the Vist foundation machines? And Speaking of ibo:gecko will you ever do a video on that manga?
The mobiles from G Gundam that did the Jetstream attack and the Burning Gundam defeated by tripping them lol 😂
What about the full armour thunderbolt gundam and the atlas gundam
he didn't mention them cause of being in an alt timeline
@@MrWhammo1 thx for telling me
@@sixela2268 To add to this, despite Atlas Gundam have "RX-78" in its designation, its has nothing to do with the original RX-78 line. Same thing with the GP Gundams from 0083.
@@danielchew8739 probably a slight show of respect or at least something just to add some connection between the two even though they aren't of the same line
@@sixela2268 As well as bit of propaganda and prestige as well.