What if Amuro Got the Alex Gundam During the OYW (part1)
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This was a video idea I’ve been playing with for a long time and after the patreon poll decided on it, I went ahead and made it.
Let me know your scenarios!
Aguille Delaz already decided to withdrawal when he hear kycilia killed gihren, so unless his ship was destroyed due to the increase in firepower from the Alex (doubtful) there would have been a power struggle between he and the other gihren supporters and the kycilia supporters (much like what happened on the origin version of events, but it would have happened after the withdrawal / possibly at axis). So then you have 2 possibilities. The remnant zeon forces fight each other so much that it prevents them from rebelling in 0083 and forming the titans, or someone comes out on top and a similar thing ends up happening. I think if they weakened themselves, there would still be pockets of resistance everywhere and the titans would still be formed, but maybe in a more benign version like londe bell, preventing jamitov et al from coming to power?
What if char got the completed zeong ?
I always imagined it playing out closely to the anime but I had Char surviving because of the surprise of the Zeongs cockpit. The difference being the Alex having a lack of a core block system leading to Amuro having a harder time escaping A Baoa Qu and possibly not surviving.
For a possible future scenario (or even maybe this one) "What if Sayla remained an active pilot post OYW" just imagine the interactions between Amuro, Her and this new Quattro guy during Zeta.
I think char would have lived, due to the head trick with the zeong as well as him realizing that dying then and there would leave "certain" things unfinished and he would retreat like in the anime. Amuro would probably give chase and possibly corner char, but I think sayla might get involved at that point, and things would roughly go the same way they did with char dealing with kcyllia, but with amuro and sayla going and helping the white base.
On the flip side, I would love to see “What if the Zeong was Painted Red”
,...or finally got it legs.
3x faster zeong? easy char aznable win
@@victorlacas6649 it’s pretty funny how obsessed with speed Char was, as though the thrust wouldn’t burst his eyes and crush his organs
@@yemmohater279630 sustained Gs aren't much, really :P
If the Zeon was painted red, eurobeat would created the ost for that fight
"Kai's cowardly nature."
My man was the first guy in the Federation to successfully land on A Baoa Qu and fought a delaying action against numerically superior forces the entire time, even after being forced to ditch his mobile suit. Kai might have been a coward in the first half of the show, but after the events of Ireland and the transit to Jaburo, Kai was a much different person and deserves a modicum of respect.
It's not so much he's a coward it's just he's practical and would like to live
That moment you realize: Gundam 0080 was meant to explain "Why didn't Amuro get a more powerful mobile suit before the end of his series like others did? Kamille updated from the Gundam Mk-II to the Zeta, Judah updated from the Zeta to the ZZ, etc."
Even non UC Timeline Protags got upgrades. Heero upgraded to Wing Zero, while Domon got the God (Burning) Gundam
@@scottprice4955 Exactly. 0080 is meant to explain why Amuro never got one during Mobile Suit Gundam.
The ultimate what if:
What if Bright never slapped anyone?
Then there would e no Bright Slap memes to oppose Rick James and Batman memes.
I mean in the original series it was more Ryu that motivated Amuro from what I remember.
@Shadow Vulcanus
Nah probably garma forces could have pull off destroying the white base when they arrived on earth
UC would not be the way it is. That bright slap changed the course of history forever.
@@wombosupreme6337 The slap heard 'round the world.
3:03
Hayato's size depiction is a major burn lol
My theory was that hayato was supposed to be younger
Just to show that the Federation was so desperate for man power
They literally recruit middle schooler
I have evidence
I was just watching the movie trilogy when they show hayato wearing a man size normal suit and ryu said there are some child size normal suit
And then in thunderbolt the Brotherhood reinforcement were children too
@@jrickducking6685 Charfield
HAHAHAAH dude that is soo good, subtle detail i didn't even really notice well pointed out sir!
Hayato is a true short king. He did so much more for the Earth sphere as leader of Karaba than Amuro during the OYW and the Gryps War combined.
I think he's just supposed to be short, Amuro, Fraw and Hayato start out Gundam at 15
Now I want to imagine this combined with "What if Sleggar survived Big Zam?"
That's right.
Sleggar in the RX-78-2 while Amuro's in the Alex...
Lol, like a "Mu in the Strike, Kira in the Freedom" scenario.
Sleggar gonna be the man who makes the impossible possible.
Sleggar was a fighter jock, not an MS pilot. I think his learning curve would have been too steep to make him effective in the Gundam. Also, at the point he joined White Base, he should have been issued a GM or at least a Guncannon. That he didn't suggests he did not adapt well to mobile suits.
@@TheHiddenBoss Actually that was Barney Stinson.
@@PsychoStreak Mu La Flagga senario
Imagine if. Char was holding back because he uses a non red mobile suit that doesnt works 3 times faster
It was unfinished. Those idiots forgot to paint it red!!
He doesn't have any legs
*angry 3 times faster and red char noises*
What if the zeong was painted red
Well you see the redshift effect makes red things faster than blue things.
Some unfortunate Zeon Zaku pilot after Amuro killed Char with the Alex be like: “Sir l-look! It’s a headless Gundam!”
The Doms fighting Umon would have different reactions lmao
Sir, its bodyless gundam
Pretty interesting and it would've been sad for me to see Char go that early. I think Bernard Wiseman would’ve been alive and I'm honestly not sure if there would've been a Gryphs War. I'm not saying that Bernie will replace Char and get the Hyaku Shiki, but I'm just interested to see what would've happen in 0087.
This is great, love it.
as for how it would change things, Char is a big part of the AEUG, and stealing the MKII, So the AEUG loses a great pilot, and leader. It would be possible that the AEUG dose not get the MKII, in the raid. Kamille could also be killed trying to take it.
Amuro who at this time is confined, may stay there or dying trying to reach Karaba as Char saved him. But if he still has the Alex he could use that get escape?
Now for Zeon Haman would be some what different, Char made her pretty jaded, with out him she maybe more open.
Yeah, Char dies, there's no Quattro Bajeena (did I spell that right?). That'll heavily affect the development of the AEUG. And am I the only one who thinks some of these organization names are pretty weird?
I wish they had a alternative side story as the giren greed game show that what if the Cyclops teams didn't even know which results in bernie and cyclones survived and amuro get his alex gundam but nothing after just amuro becoming a better unit in game also I have a good question who would be the pilot of the pixie if the white base got it a lot of people thought bright would have piloted the pixie
I thought that the Pixie was apocryphal? Not Canon?
@@Supercohboy what happen to the pixie is not clear since the game it was in had multiple endings but what is cannon is there where 3 pixie made and one supposed to go the the white base but never made it
3:07 Hayato really that short? Poor bro
I would say Sayla, but she seems more of a fighter pilot. Maybe Sleggar if he would have survived. He seems to have the aggressive fighting style for it, and doesn't seem to mind fighting up-close. I imagine if he piloted the Pixie, though, it would have a different color scheme.
Hayato, he knows multiple forms of Martial Arts so would be the best fit
The real question is "What if Ramba Ral got his Doms?"
Damn, White Base would be toast. Amuro at that time hasn't awaken, it was the perfect time to beat him and Ramba is a better pilot than any of the Tri Stars.
Should also add that Amuro was locked in the brig for his reckless actions and for leaving White Base earlier; Sayla is in the Gundam when the battle happens. Not to say he wouldn’t stand a chance against the Doms, but whether he can or cannot doesn’t matter when he’s on the ship and not out there fighting to begin with. Depending on if Ramba Ral’s forces are still willing to try to capture the Gundam or if they quickly catch on that Amuro is not in the Gundam, Sayla may either end up dead or captured while the White Base meets its end in the wastelands.
That would be intresting.
Gihren’s Greed answers that pretty well, White Base is totaled and Ramba captures the Guntank and Guncannon for Zeon while the Gundam gets away.
The earth would have been speaking Zeon
That’s cool, how about a “What if Amuro and Sayla got married after the OYW?”
That is the interesting part, since Char/Casval already geve his blessing at the A baoa Qu
For one thing, that would be a relationship Amuro would have that would actually stick instead of end in an off-screen breakup or a retcon. Another thing, that would make Amuro and Char brothers-in-law; they'd be no longer rivals but family.
Borther-in-law but possibly sometimes come to laugh at him 😂
@@TheHiddenBoss Imagine the scenario where char rebuild zeon in his father ideals, with the help and protection of Amuro.
Does that mean char will marry haman karn, and then there is no char deleted affair ?
@@TheHiddenBoss if that's happen, I think Amuro will help char earlier, so because of that the rest of the series after 0083 will be different
Sunrise should make a short series putting a "what if" like this one.
What if amuro get alex? What if amuro and char switch role? What if amuro and char is on the same side (either fed or zeon)
It would be fun project iam sure
By switching roles, do you mean if Amuro became the enigmatic man in the mask? Cause there was apparently a Korean knock-off animation starring a character that looked like a recolored Char in full uniform, but when the helmet and mask come off, it’s just literally Amuro underneath.
I feel like this is basically what the Gundam Evolve series is, although the never touched on this topic, to my knowledge.
Good concept but I'm not sure everyone would be happy with this
Char and Amuro actually join forces in the 1979 novel in an anti-zeon, anti-federation alliance, but not even a paragraph later Amuro gets blown the fuck up by one of Char's subordinates. Regardless, Amuro's newtype ghost was really chill with it and newtype flashed everyone on white base to be cool with Char. Completely changes the outcome of the war.
I loved when you were saying if only white base had another pilot and kept pointing to Job lol. That made me laugh because you were bringing that up and so far apart from Char dying and the fact that Sayla is piloting the Gundam, not many huge changes until the post war. Can't wait to see part 2 and great job Kararot!
It's odd.
>Alex first showing: murders a Kampfer with a battle-hardened veteran piloting in it by raising its arm and pulling the trigger
>Alex second showing: gets trashed by a rookie in a barely functional Zaku
Because the Kampfer had no clue that the arm cannon existed. As far as he was aware the gundam was defenseless, so he was just going in for the kill
What an awesome video!! The Alex is one of my favorites, and I'd totally would love to see more of it in action. I think there's one thing that would've been different though: Most likely, Char would have escaped somehow. Don't underestimate the red comet's plot armor.
You should do more of these "What If' videos. I've always enjoyed MassakoX's videos like this for DBZ, and a Gundam equivalent would be incredibly cool.
"What if Char teamed up with White Base" would be another cool one just because that sort of happened in the novel.
Clicked on video and paused immediately to say you just made my Sunday. Now I get to have a cigar, Pimm’s cup, AND one of your deep dive videos while sitting under a canopy in 100 degrees
I guess long term, Lhasa, Tibet isn't flattened by an asteroid.
3 years later, waiting for What if Char had a high mobility Zaku when he first encountered the Gundam.
I like this type of video so much! I feel like gunpla content is just product reviews, sometimes leaning a bit apathetic. It’s just cool to listen to someone who really loves Gundam talk about the lore. You make good content my dude
A what if scenario? First, you had my curiosity. Now, you got my full attention!
I think we can all agree that those GM Type Ds got a raw deal. That might be the best part of this video, clearing the Type Ds name.
This video actually happened in my playthrough of Gundam Tactics on PSP were as soon as I got Amuro I gave him the Alex.
Really gotta love how M'Quve ruins everything xD
Every time I watch 0080 I keep screaming for Bernie not to fight the Gundam. I really wished he lived...
Just be happy he didn't die for nothing
He a major factor that the timeline isn't bleak and dark
@@jrickducking6685 It was amazing how a character who only appeared in a 5 episode series made such an impact.
Fan-fucking-tastic dude, keep em coming!!! You're the only youtube that does lore videos. You ever consider doing a video on some of the Cyber Comix stories? Like the Zephyr Gundam or Gundam Saigon?
I think one thing that they could have done was they gave false information and just hand past orders to certain people so that Alex could be delivered on time in the Cyclops system hit a heavily guarded base and got wiped out
3:53 There's one more thing to consider here and that's the fact that Sayla's first (and only) sortie in the RX-78-2 was while the White Base was on Earth. She claimed mastery in the simulation but Earth's gravity proved incredibly challenging for both her and Amuro when they first had to learn to adapt to it although given Amuro's aptitude for the suit at that point, he fared much better.
It would have been interesting to see how this first sortie would have gone had the White Base still been in space. Also if it was indeed a combat mission where she was assigned to it and not her defying orders where her objective was to contact the Zeon forces about her identity like she was doing here. She still wouldn't be Amuro's level but like the rest of White Base's crew she is a newtype. Definitely the best fit as the next in line for RX-78-2 with Amuro's upgrade I agree.
Awesome video and i really like the "what-if" scenarios. Postet one myself (sort of) on reddit: What if Kira ended up in the Duel, instead of the strike? Wonder if you will do more what ifs...
What I’ve always wondered is if the Zeong had been 100% complete rather 80% when char fought Amuro.
i don't think legs would make much of a difference tbh
I think part of why the cyclops team rolled the Antarctic base so easily was because it was in the middle of nowhere. For the pilots on base, they probably seen it as a cushy, zero risk deployment to a base no one was supposed to find, especially since at the time the zeonic presence on earth would have been limited to Africa. So when explosions rock the base and comms flood with panicked responses, it probably caught them off guard.
At this point, we need a list of ways M'quve screwed over Zeon. Dude's basically the MVP for the Earth Federation.
Will be interesting to see how things turn out in the Zeta era given that Char's... y'know.
omg dude i cant wait for part 2!!! this is brilliant!
What about a what if Ramba Ral got his Doms?
We need need more TTT/Black otter team videos.
Please I beg of you, there’s barely anything on UA-cam related to the TR series development history and what they were like in action you could be the first to do a video on a topic like that.
why did the EF replace the FF-S3 Saberfish with RB-79 Ball at the time of a baoa qu, the FF-S3 Saberfish seems better then the balls.
Low fire power fighter craft against Zeon new ms. The ball has a decent 120 mm cannon great as ms support and even great as a swarming firing squad , while serving as a construction/ combat engineer unit . The ball is more flexible since battles are becoming more close quarters.
I think the gm custom would have been the federation next generations mobile suit seeing how well the Alex did in the one year war and also the the federation would have the GM customs having Gatling gun as well
imagine you are a pilot and you got to pilot a GM custom this is the had the power of the Alex not only that means you get to pilot a machine that not only won the one year war but also took down the red comet
@@crystalmanzetton5068 it would cost too much honestly, one of the issues of the NT-1 was that the gatlings required a lot of maintenance, which wasn't cheap
''The gun barrel is usually hidden and pops up during use, but the weapon had a problem in terms of number of bullets and vibration. The adoption of this armament was triggered by the fact that the joint motor could be made smaller by improving field motor technology, and there was enough space. Although quite effective in combat, it is not adopted by subsequent mass production mobile suits due to cost and maintenance issues.'' taken from the official wiki
i just finished rewatching 0080, and there was one glaring plot hole that bugged me.....why was no one monitoring the damaged zaku that was just chilling in the colony? like. the only comment was that the weapons had been taken away. but Al discovered that it was still effectively operational by accidently turning it back on when climbing in the cockpit. SOMEONE should have also discovered this and made more of an effort to ensure it was disabled. either the federation or even civilian law enforcement should have been monitoring that zaku to some degree. amuro totally would have gotten the Alex if even one person in charge decided to have the oversight to keep an eye on that zaku. if bernie was never able to get it repaired, either due to it being completely disabled by federation technicians after it first crashed, or it having an active guard around it, then he never would have gotten into the final fight with the alex. at which point it could have been moved out of the colony relatively safely and mostly in one piece
So... Char is dead... Now Gryps conflict looks like it'll be hell.
thing is, because you have a better gun, it doesnt mean you would hit more accurately. sometimes, being in a lower position means you survive, the same way you could have the best stuff, but because of that you underperform.
i actually belive him using the alex would work against him. getting used to a new machine, being able to perform with it, or even, getting the hang of it, but becoming over confident. the alex is more responsive, but not that much more resilient. for example he could be using the heavy armor, and get hit, or, he could be sent to a diferent place to serve as a symbol, which would bring attention and heat on him.
even the fact he is able to avoid hits in the original, doesnt mean he would avoid the same things in the alex.
there's a story i remember about a thief who was famous for never killing anyone, one day he went to rob a place(cant remember which), and he went to shoot at a guy side... problem was, that guy jumped in that direction so fast, he actually got hit in the head and died. so remember there is something to be said about being "too good" at something...
But if Amuro gets the Alex we never get one of the best headshots in the history of gundam from Char.
THIS IS A GREAT VIDEO! i thinj it'd be great if there could be more of these!
Maybe for next part do a quick comparison between the alex and RX78-2 to see how different their specs were.
Bernard Wiseman died a hero! He didn’t die in vain!
I love those Arm Gattling Guns of the Alex Gundam hehe
Good thing Amuro didn't have the Alex. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the best headshot in history.
Oh my god, this was well thought out, man! Good job 👍
I just realized something about the Zeong: Why doesn't it have something like a smoke launcher (ww2 tanks for example) or something else to break line of sight when the head had to detach from the body to make an easy escape.
The Zeong was rushed into battle incomplete.
How Bernie technically saved Char...
He was a good guy, so good that he got reincarnated as Kinkaid, getting to pilot the F91 and the Crossbone...
We celebrate Bernie's Day, not Christmas...
WHAT!?!
Wonder if Amuro would still be using the Chobam Armor. Though we know he probably wouldn’t, but the Alex would still have it at this point.
I think GMs got destroyed because the pilots couldn’t bring out the full potential during the battle. Some of the pilots did better than others like the one at the end that took out Andy. Again, I think if they had better pilots then we’d see a different outcome. Also, it was a special forces team up against normal base defense suits. I am not sure but I could see it happening.
One, they were caught absolutely off guard. Second, Federation pilots were always depicted as ones to panic when shits hit the fan. Third, most who stationed there were rookies. And the one defending the shuttle is the capable one (like the guy who piloted the Stark Jegan in Unicorn ep 1).
I'm actually making a comic where Amuro becomes the pilot of the Alex. This video helps out a lot! Thanks!
Where are you going to publish it
The Alex is one of my favorite gundams so it's cool to think about how it would have affected the One Year War with the White Base. But it does make me sad that we'd be deprived of that glorious bazooka head shot and ultimately Quattro Bajeena. Maybe Char made it out somehow...😪
Given the near impossible scenario he escaped from with Haman in the future, I’d say Char somehow manages to sneak out of the Zeong before or during the moment the head ejected. After all, the head was able to operate on its own without him in there. He may cut his losses and ties up loose ends by sending a present for his good old friend Garma in the afterlife via Bazooka express mail. He’ll be back to laugh at Amuro later.
what's crazy to me is that they created so many different Gundam models in one year
This is one of the scenarios in the gihren's greed games the whole game has a bunch of what-if scenarios pretty entertaining if it wasn't all in Japanese still finished it couple of times though
At least a few games allow Amuro to pilot the Alex. The Gihren series, G Gen, Battle etc. If I recall in G Gen DS a new game plus type scenario has you fight Amuro in the Alex.
If i not wrong. Originally aside NT-1 alex, amuro intended to receive gundam G3 (as this gundam actually a bit more powerful than rx-78-2 gundam) or got his rx-78-2 upgraded into full armor gundam. Both plan failed
Dude that was the kinda of a Sanario I was thinking about on what if Amuro got the Alex I love that suit manly it was first with the 360 Cockpit its really cool
Welp. Bernard has saved Zeon.
Actually, going back to this video, wouldn't Amuro getting the Alex and freeing the Gundam up mean that Sleggar gets it, or Sleggar gets the G-Fighter/Core Booster and pairs with Sayla in the Gundam? Wouldn't that have saved him from dying at Solomon in some way?
If Amuro had gotten the Alex on time, Sleggar would have got the RX-78-2 and likely would've lived to fight at A Bao Qu
If I were a word to get the gundam Alex would change the entire Gundam timeline it would affect zeta shards counterattack it would affect everything.
The Gundam "Alex" is pretty much the Char Custom of The Gundam ain't it?
would you mind making a video about traitors in gundam
That was pretty cool to Watch.
Do you have any plans for 00 videos?
let's be honest, in the second scenario where cyclops team actually fail, intel would still reach zeon about a new mobile suit and will thus prepare a bit more for it
Finally, an alternate ending where Amuro kills Char and not viceversa.
Hey you finally did it! Nice.
More than likely that means that the Mark II and The Zeta are going to be based more along the lines of the Alex as a basis right off the bat her technical specs not just appearance although the option for the heavy armor that can be deactivated and disconnected wouldn't be a bad idea for the Mark II it would have helped out with the fact that it was made out of Luna titanium instead of gundarium and with the electromagnetic joints much better reaction timing
I can already see that Haman Karn's life, and her influence on Neo Zeon will be completely and drastically different than what is in canon, especially if the happenings of Char's Deleted Affair are still going to happen minus Char. I feel like that situation is where a writer would insert a new Protagonist character, if only to keep to that usual Gundam Pilot protagonist methodology.
There is also the fact that with the Alex's stellar success, I think that would cause a ripple effect for making Federation decision makers to be more willing and able to test and produce high performance MS designs then actually mass produce those. The Alex Gundam survival would also necessitate that the Gundams being design and built for the Gundam Development Project (0083 Stardust Memory) would be more influenced or its observers and critics will compare the designs to the super high performance Alex.
I feel like the Alex's high profile success at A Baoa Qu would have even more butterfly effects, even to the point of drastically altering how the Federation approaches figuring out the design priorities for their Newtype weaponry. Might even result in a Titan's super weapon that is more comparable to the Wing Zero Gundam than the massive Death Star-esque Psycho Gundam; that would be terrifying,
New video: Amuro gets Pixie Gundam
What if instead of ramba ral, amuro and the rx78-2 instead have to fight Norris and his gouf custom. What do you think it would play out?
Didnt Job John also appears in the F90 manga as a senior officer of some sort? Or is it the Shilouette F91? Im pretty sure it is F90.
For post war, I simply think amuro might become a hero of earth federation XD
Still wouldn't matter if Ramba got his Dom.
I'd be curious to see a what if for Char to defect over to the Federation at any point post Garma. Like the Zabi Family finding out he was responsible for purposely leading Garma to his death.
Nice my question answer thanks bro
And with Char gone, there's no way they could mistake Quattro Bajeena for Char
i have some issues with the arm gattling guns doing major damage to the Zeong(even the head with 0gravity though).
Also for Kycillia(dont forget her knight in red MS Johnny Ridden though)
Like if Amuro got GP03 From stardust memories 0083, the entire zeon team would have completely murdered and deleted from the history
No hamburgers for you
I think in one of the Ghiren's Greed games there was a promo video of Amuro in the Alex manhandling Scirroco and his Messala.
I love your analysis. I dont know if you already did this, but if you havent, could you please make a video explaining the basic/general war strategies of zeon/federarion, things as fire support, cover etc? I would love such videos.
This honestly should be an alternate timeline Manga.
Would the rx-78-2 out perform the alex vs the kampfer and zaku 2 FZ?
Make a video if Kou successfully kills gato and Operation stardust failed.
TBH one of the things I prefer about the novelization is Sayla's bigger role and her being Amuro's girlfriend/love interest.
Lalah pretty much just existed to give Char a reason to hate Amuro.
Lol I just rewatched the Gundam Theory by FishingBlades: Did Bernie Wiseman save Zeon? Before I got the notification of this video.
Char-burgers > Bernie-burgers
I say char will survive either way, but won't have the leeway to deal with Kycilia
The real question is what if Amuro piloted the Nu Gundam during the OYW
Damn. Not much changes in the og. But Zeta, ZZ, and Char's counterattack now would be drastically changed
That Alex Armor will be absolutely useless for Amuro. His piloting is mainly about finesse and precision, not brute force tanking.
Another what if base in my own mind
What if amuro piloting not Gundam or NT-1 Gundam Alex but
Full armour Gundam from Gundam thunderbolt
Amuro not only beat char but he can decimated entire base by himself since full armour Gundam is completely full of weapon with lot of missile and beam rifle
Can we get a what if the eff developed mobile suits earlier than they did in the series
Alex sounds like an unusual name for a death machine. Never understood why they named it that.
Roberto Perez iirc it’s some acronym for its armor
Edit: Alex stands for armored layers experimental
@@niconicokms1424 Yeah but that acronym came after the 0080 war in the pocket series. So it wasn't the original meaning.
Probably named after Alexander the Great who is one the best military minds in history.
@@hernanbasurto6408 Probably right
its litteraly because of t
how the Japanese pronounce "rx", "rx> arexsu> arex> alex"
If amuro will get the Alex gundam then char should get the perfect zeong. Not fair if the zeong is incomplete. How about a different scenario on what if the rx gundam got customized to full armor gundam and that is the one to fight off zeong?