Is Brooks lying about the Ghost Max?
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Today, we will talk about what went wrong with Brooks Ghost Max ... and of course what Brooks nailed! Full review on RunRepeat: runrepeat.com/brooks-ghost-max.
00:00 Intro
00:18 Breathability (smoke test, microscope, light)
01:35 Durability (upper, heel padding and outsole)
03:52 Weight
04:36 Cushioning (heel stack, drop, midsole softness)
07:50 Stability (torsional, heel counter, platform width)
11:37 Flexibility (longitudinal stiffness)
10:08 Comfort (lockdown, tongue, insole)
11:36 Reflective elements
11:31 Who should buy Brooks Ghost Max
12:00 Who should not buy Brooks Ghost Max
12:37 Verdict - Спорт
RunRepeat should do more of this. Much better to understand the Pros and Cons on every shoe, so people would get to chose for themselves.
How cool that you made/uploaded this video while I am shopping for Brooks Ghost Max 😄😄
My pair is now over 350 miles, still going strong. Only wear I see is on the outsole but it still hasn't fully flattened. It's been a very very impressive shoe for me!
Technical reviews like this are amazing in providing information to buyers in making informed purchase decisions. Keep it up!
Great videos, can't wait for more to come!!
You guys are doing excellent work for the running shoe community! Hi5 mate!
Thanks! Can't wait for the Cloudrunner 2 and Cloudsurfer Trail reviews 😄
I absolutely love your website and your channel.
Vídeo production is top notch. Well done! 👍
Insane reviews, best of any category & all categories
I am an assistant coach and I regularly refer my athletes to your site for its ease of use when seeking shoes!
I love my ghost max
I just bought a pair of Ghost Max for $99 on my sporting goods store (Philippines) and I've only been running it for about 20km but so far the best daily trainers I have. I'm a beginner runner and the only other shoe I can compare it with is my Vomero 17s. I both love them but the difference is that the Ghost Max is more comfy, less stress on my knees, and better styling. (I have the light cream/gray with black Brooks Logo). These trainers are for heavier runners who are starting their journey and doesn't need a fast/tempo shoes that offers a lot of heel stack and comfort. If you can get them on sale, you will not regret it!
Hi kabayan, which sporting goods store did you get it for that price? Got mine at Megamall at a higher price but handed the shoes over to my brother coz he needs it more. But I kinda miss it. I'm not really a runner, but this was my favorite walking shoe for travelling and exercise when I still had it. Official measurements and heuristic tests don't really matter for my use case. It's more the experience. As I found out, numbers don't often translate to experience. But RunRepeat is one of my go-to sites for choosing my next purchase. Always good to have a non-subjective measurement reference.
@@rogerx9298 Tobys SM North but I think it's discounted because they only have that one size (9 mens) and it's the display item. They have lots of discounts at Tobys and Planet Sports around Metro Manila for major running shoe brands like Hoka, Brooks, New Balance, Nike, etc.
Saan sporting goods yan kabayan?
Got mine around P6.8k during lazada 12.12 at their LazMall store!
@@danettepatrickMP Thanks!
That explains a strange phenomenon I was experiencing. I had been running with the Ghost Max for a while, amongst other shoes ranging between 8 to 10 mm drop. Then I bought a Puma Liberate Nitro 2 with 5 mm drop. On my first run I got pain in the back of the knee. I thought it was strange since I had been thinking, "5 mm is only 1 mm less than the Ghost Max, why does the back of my knee hurt?" Guess it was the tendons getting stretched if the Ghost Max has 8mm instead of 6.
It also feels very similar to the Brooks Divide 4 which officially has 8mm drop. Apart from the fact that the Ghost Max is more cushioned. But the feeling of running in them is very similar. Still like the Ghost Max though. But it's almost a bit too high. So I bought a Hoka Clifton Edge with 5 mm drop. Way more stable too since it sits lower to the ground and has a wider sole.
My Ghost Max came in today 🎉
This has the potential to become the largest running shoe channel on youtube.
Would you recommend this over the On CloudEclipse?
Such a great review, with lots of data points instead of 'feelings' >> running shoes review is so big here on YT maybe you can focus more on this media instead of putting all your effort to website, which i also appreciate but it is still hard to commit to actually reading a review >> so please do more these reviews I think you will grow significantly
Brooks shoes had always been a disappointment for me. Boring midsole and and an outsole which didn’t make it to 200k.
Asics is the complete opposite. Fun to run in and extremely durable.
I still don't know what boring should even mean in relation to a running shoe.
Love my Brooks. Tried the Novablast in a store and found it horrible. Simply too slim for my feet. I felt like slipping off the midsole even while only standing in it.
But that's the good thing about having options.
Ghost Max are GOATed for me. The ghost max 2 look promising too.
Is this shoe a little late to the party for review and dissection? The v2 is releasing on July 1st.
They felt exactly like my pair of cliftons
Greetings all I’m looking for stability, shoe for long distance walking good shock, absorption and good ventilation is required. People have suggested Brooks adrenaline GTS and Brooks glycerin GTS.
Considering whether the requirement is of slight or mild over pronation does the above video of Ghost suggets that it is any better than the GtS series
For the people who actually own this shoe , is it true to size? Thx a lot!
I wear an 11.5 men's and it was true to size for me.
Not sure if the measurement locations of the drop is right. Even if it’s official. Isn’t the drop “technically” “effective” closer together?
There's no one answer to where to measure the drop. We follow World Athletic standards and favor that all brands agree to ONE protocol of measuring drop so that it's consistent and comparable across brands. Right now, that might not be the case
What happened to all your North face shoes reviews, somehow they all disappeared?
We now only do lab reviews, and decided to delete all the older reviews.
not because you follow the World Athletics Guidelines means that you are right. Maybe the Guidelines are not correct and Brooks has another way to measure it, more meaningful perhaps.
it is clear that the rocker of the shoe can change the drop measurement. I rather measure the height difference between hell and ball of the foot, which at the end is what the drop wants to indicate.
Seems that the guidelines are good for traditional shoes but I see them failing for new generation of shoes. My 2 cent but happy to read more about it.
Standards are not about being right or wrong - they are about consistency. You can apply them across different brands to reach a common outcome even if the brands measure it differently. Brooks have been criticized for their high drop so making it listed as being lower than 10mm drop might make it more appealing to people afraid of using 12mm Ghost. Claiming that Ghost Max has about 6mm drop puts it as a medium drop rival to Hoka shoes but it's more like Saucony Triumph, Nike Invincible 3 or Puma Magnify 2. It doesn't mean it's wrong but it still is misleading to people who have problems with high drop shoes. Some people use shoes for walking and standing and lower drop shoe might make it more comfortable because it feels less like standing in heels.
If you want to get nerdy about these measurements, there are still some factors that even your method of measuring does not take into account like foam compliance (how much to compresses and decompresses), shape of outsole with guidance ridges (More V4) or heel bevel design (like in Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro shoes). New Balance More V4 is soft and somewhat hollow under your foot so you can even feel like it has a negative drop where you fall behind every time when you stand in them and you need to overcome its bump midway of the step because the foam under heel is so compressed that whatever is still in mid to forefoot feels stiffer until compressed under your weight. Does it mean that their drop measurement is wrong? Not really - it abides by the standard. It is consistent with what is reported to the customer but it's still up to the customer to decide if their "feel" of that (dynamic) drop is right for them.
Still, if you are a pro runner, the guidelines are clear and are the clear decider of what can be used for official events. It might seem marginal but that is the only measurement that matters in that situation. For recreational runner it might not be that important but it gives a pretty good idea or what can be expected and it gives more credibility to the company if they pay attention to what is reported and what is sold to the customer. If Asics can be on point with their reports, I feel they know what they are doing and pay close attention to their production process. If a new model from Brooks promises something people were expecting (Ghost with lower drop and more stack height) but then fails to deliver that, I feel misled and wonder why they would do that. Was it on purpose to promise one thing and deliver something else or is it a problem with consistency in their production for that model? I don't know and I don't really care because in the end it's how the shoe feels like and if I can get it cheap enough where I can agree on the overall value for proposed product.
Sorry for the wall of text, just sharing a perspective. Cheers!
I love the engagement here, thank you so much.
1. Brooks makes amazing shoes, and I run in some Brooks shoes personally.
2. But we also have to call out when we see something is off instead of the continuous "this shoe is amazing", "this is even more amazinger" and "this is amazingerst" if you know what I mean :)
3. Brooks is not lying. They may measure at 15% and 70% (just to say something different), or only do loaded drop, or whatever. What matters is that drop-measurements are comparable across shoes and brands.
4. We would LOVE to one day incorporate a standardized measure of a loaded drop. We just haven't found a reliable way to do it without making it super complicated and factoring in foot strike. When you combine the shoe with the foot, measurements become subjective and harder to standardize for us.
5. We do consider the rocker, and even cutouts as many brands do these days
If any if you have other ideas for standardized tests, I'd love to hear from you!
I have both the Triumph and Ghost Max. The Ghost Max feels like a zero drop shoe compared to the Triumph. It also feels lower than my Endorphin Shift 3 and not crazy different to my Altra's. Clearly numbers don't tell the whole story, regardless I love the shoe.
@@matth3903 a bit to my point. if the rocker is more backwards than 75% length, the drop measurement will not be accurate since where you are measuring the drop is not contacting the floor. - the drop measurement method works on traditional/flat rockers but not for modern midsole designs. Brands do well to state the "real" drop as it is how the shoe will feel.
@@jorgecalderon9678 I don't know the history behind these regulations but when you look at the point of the shoe where they take measurements it looks reasonable as they basically measure the stack height at around the ball of the foot. At that point it shouldn't matter if you have a rocker or not because stack height at that spot is basically what you feel from the ground when you roll your foot to toe off. What do you expect? Should they measure it from the insole to the ground counting air as stack height?
I think that the biggest difference is how compressed the foam can get under heel relative to the height in forefoot. Someone heavier might be able to compress the shoe in the heel where the drop feels lower but this is not comparable between products. Someone might like Triumph 20/21 but I can't compress it enough and that shoe to me feels like walking in high heels.
A measurement is only a number but it gives you an idea of what to expect and we should insist on companies being honest about specifications. If we don't, we will be unable to make a reasonable guess about what we might like between different shoes without having to try everything out ourselves. Just compare 1080 V12 and V13 on RunRepeat's page. They have same compounds but when you try them on, V13 feels much softer. On paper they are both Fresh Foam X shoes. V12 should have higher drop but it doesn't. These are shoes from the same company with similar specifications but feel completely different. If they cannot provide a good explanation why their measurements are off, I would be surprised if they were so diligent about coming up with their own ways of measurement for a "better" result for the consumer. If you got Ghost (not Max) with 12mm drop and wanted to switch to 8mm drop shoes, you would be risking injury by running in V12 (officially at 8mm but measured at 3.3mm) without transition period. Since the official difference is only 4mm, you might think you can manage but in reality the difference is twice as big - comparable to going from 8mm to zero drop and you know people are wary of doing anything that drastic because they are scared of increased injury risk.
My point is that we should call out the companies about false specifications like drop, stack height, changes in compound under the same name. They should do better and explain what they are doing and how they are representing their data. Asics used a different way of measuring stack and recently changed it to make it more comparable with the competition. Companies can do it but we should at least expect some truth/better communication. In the end, the measurements can be all incorrect but if something works for you - that's great and have fun running :)
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