Could L Catch The Joker? -Death Note

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  • Опубліковано 29 лис 2022
  • In this video, we go over the entirety of Death Note lore and compare L Lawliet to Batman and the Joker. Could L figure out the Joker's identity if he knew him as long as Batman or would the Joker have his way? Is he smarter than Batman or would he fall too short?
    (Includes lore and information from the Death Note Manga, Death Note: How To Read, The BB Investigation Novel, L: Change the World, and various Joker iterations in the form of Rebirth Joker, and even some hypotheticals from 3 Jokers too)
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  • @SethTheProgrammer
    @SethTheProgrammer  Рік тому +509

    If you want to see anything like this in the future let me know! Thanks!
    Crisis: www.youtube.com/@CRISIS_COMICS

    • @lenoreyt
      @lenoreyt Рік тому +8

      I love your death note analysis videos so yes 100%

    • @calibzimmerman6405
      @calibzimmerman6405 Рік тому +3

      hi

    • @LowellLucasJr.
      @LowellLucasJr. Рік тому +1

      Yes! Please make more videos like this! Heck, i'd love to see the following covered if you don't mind recommendations:
      * Who is the deadlier killer with a gun- Golgo 13 or Deadshot?
      * Would the Guyver control metal be unstoppable in the Dragon Ball Universe?
      * Unicron vs Galactus ( why not?)
      *Aptom vs Cell ( who has the better absorbsion Abilities?)

    • @lenoreyt
      @lenoreyt Рік тому +3

      You could do who is smarter, Ayanokoji or Light? Or maybe Ayanokoji or L?

    • @Prantikde
      @Prantikde Рік тому

      Do you read manhwa or LN? If so, can you scale Nirvana Jin Mori from God Of High School or LN Sung Jin Woo from Solo Levelling?

  • @GodKnowsWhatIsInHere
    @GodKnowsWhatIsInHere Рік тому +8054

    The difference between this and the Batman-Kira case is that the Joker isn't really doing anything to prevent L from figuring out his real identity. This is less of a "L vs Joker" and more L being curious about something. Learning his identity isn't really all that relevant to stopping him from doing crimes. Imagine L going "I finally know who Joker is", and then the Joker blows up a hospital anyway.

    • @hugomventura
      @hugomventura Рік тому +577

      Only way it can be considered a loss or win is if the joker actually agree to the terms. L has to actually announce his intentions so that the joker does what he does. otherwise the joker will just play anything off because from an outsiders point of view it's just L being interested in the red hood.

    • @Paradox-es3bl
      @Paradox-es3bl Рік тому +215

      Well, L has to figure out the identity AND catch/stop him. And he could only do that for 1/3 anyway. But unlike Batman, I don't think L would be like, "I know his identity but it doesn't matter." He'd be like, "I figured out 1/3. Execute that one." Which is still a loss, but 1 less Joker is a win for Gotham and all of DC's Earth, really. Sometimes even beyond Earth lol.

    • @diveblock2058
      @diveblock2058 Рік тому +161

      i mean joker would probably just straight up kill L (or torture him) if we are being honest like joker would find it entertaining that L is trying to find him but probably get bored and just blow him up (and by him i mean the city he is currently in)

    • @WhoIsStrongestCommunity
      @WhoIsStrongestCommunity Рік тому +4

      U

    • @koutaconnor9453
      @koutaconnor9453 Рік тому +92

      @@diveblock2058 It's really really hard to imagine that happening considering how cautious and anonymous L is. There is no insensitive for L to reveal himself in any way as it would not get him anywhere close to finding out the Joker's identity because L would most likely without much hesitation execute the Joker after achieving that. This match just doesn't make much sense to me. L does not need to get too close to the joker to find that out and therefore the Joker would have no real reason to gun for him.

  • @spinoirrex2433
    @spinoirrex2433 Рік тому +2765

    Now could Batman catch the Joker is the real question here 🤔

    • @Micha-Hil
      @Micha-Hil Рік тому +222

      he could, several times

    • @GokageBlack
      @GokageBlack Рік тому +94

      Only if Batman uses the Deathnote [insert maniacal Joker laugh]

    • @marcowhyte5194
      @marcowhyte5194 Рік тому +258

      He could if he worked with the IRS

    • @realme-tq4cq
      @realme-tq4cq Рік тому +40

      batman knows the jokers real name and knows where joker lives, watches over the jokers son and wifes house. Batman has known about jokers personal life for years. He just doesnt take action sadly

    • @newhybrid101
      @newhybrid101 Рік тому +68

      @@realme-tq4cq Thats not Jokers current personal life but his OLD life
      Usually he doesnt know where Joker is.
      Joker has always been able to challenge Batmans intellect

  • @Arei1283
    @Arei1283 Рік тому +1303

    Batman once said about the joker’s identity
    “I knew who he was Alfred, from the day we met, he has a kid and wife still living, but his backstory doesn’t matter the man he is now is completely different from what he was”

    • @christopherrogers532
      @christopherrogers532 Рік тому +93

      AKA the Joker's original self is dead and no longer him.

    • @Randomguy09818
      @Randomguy09818 Рік тому +10

      That was a different timeline it’s not actually Alfred just so you know

    • @fjoltnyr2464
      @fjoltnyr2464 Рік тому +67

      ​@@Randomguy09818 no, it's Batman talking to Alfred, not about Alfred

    • @dxnixble
      @dxnixble Рік тому +2

      Fear God

    • @Mentelgen-1337
      @Mentelgen-1337 11 місяців тому +3

      so even if he figures it out joker will still blow up some hospital?

  • @quibby8627
    @quibby8627 Рік тому +850

    I think a more interesting question to answer in the future could be, “Could L Catch Batman?”
    And have the game be around L trying to solve Batman’s true identity, something I think he’d probably take interest in

    • @villekokko9943
      @villekokko9943 Рік тому +52

      If you look at the "Kira vs. Batman" video, you can infer the answer to this easily.

    • @ceilingsintheireyes6288
      @ceilingsintheireyes6288 Рік тому +143

      I feel like L would work out that it's Bruce in 3 seconds just with simple logic. Clearly someone who loves Gotham and has access to virtually unlimited funds and technology. bruce Wayne. Next.

    • @Jsipki265
      @Jsipki265 Рік тому +50

      @@ceilingsintheireyes6288 he would need proof of said deduction which he wouldn’t get.

    • @mahoganydoughnut6082
      @mahoganydoughnut6082 Рік тому +29

      Careful people who think Bruce Wayne is the only multi billionaire in Gotham are going to tell you it's obvious.

    • @TheOutlawed1000
      @TheOutlawed1000 Рік тому +1

      Carefree drunken idiot Bruce Wayne? Batman? Ridiculous. Have you ever seen that rich boy lift? At most he’s privately funding Batman. Maybe a team of them. Now Lex Luthor? That’s your guy.
      Seriously though people only think it’s easy to figure out because there’re not in the world of the story. At most he’s a suspect.

  • @wititorac
    @wititorac Рік тому +1778

    Now, all that’s left is, “Could Kira end crime in Gotham”. Basically, could he kill all of Batmans rogues gallery before they catch on/kill him.

    • @Knightwolf1994
      @Knightwolf1994 Рік тому +131

      Reminds me of a Dark Multiverse fan video where a version of Batman gets the Death Note and ultimately decides to start killing criminals with it.

    • @psychicsidekick4198
      @psychicsidekick4198 Рік тому +199

      The Court of Owls, League of Assassins, Joker and Bane at minimum have a strong chance, considering the 4 groups/individuals have outsmarted Batman on multiple occasions. Most others have no hope. Certain rogues may not count as "human" for the purpose of being killed by the book, like Poison Ivy or Clayface, due to their altered biology. In those cases Kira may simply be shit-out-of-luck. But normals like Crane, Cobblepot and Nigma? Dead instantly.

    • @wititorac
      @wititorac Рік тому +57

      @@psychicsidekick4198 To be fair, I think Movie Light managed to orchestrate a death such that the person killed someone else? So it’s possible he could maybe get another person to kill Ivy for him if Ivy doesn’t count as human for the purposes of the death note.

    • @TheDeathOmen
      @TheDeathOmen Рік тому +40

      On top of what everyone else said, someone hiring Deathstroke to deal with him will have Kira’s ass handed to him on a silver platter

    • @otuskigaming6764
      @otuskigaming6764 Рік тому +61

      If you mean literally all, then no. Like yeah the Penguin and all the mobsters are easy, they have their names. But Joker? Or even the Court of Owls. It's nye-impossible

  • @ed765super
    @ed765super Рік тому +2695

    The recent Gordon comic reminded me that Joker isn't just some crazy dude. He's ingenious and meticulous. All the insane things he does has a purpose, but the only person who truely knows that purpose is Joker.

    • @shastacat9632
      @shastacat9632 Рік тому +66

      joker doesnt even know the purpose

    • @nechocat1234
      @nechocat1234 Рік тому +224

      As always with comics that depends on the writers, in recent times he is mostly just a crazy dude with tons of power, the thing about joker is that he was never ment to challenge batman's mind henis there to challenge his morals, he is the chaos to batman's law. The one that is rightfully smart as batman is the riddler, when the writers don't make him into just a joke from the adam west era he is as smart or maybe smarter than batman, while batman is only able to defeat him thinking outside the box

    • @itzYonko
      @itzYonko Рік тому +8

      @@nechocat1234 The Riddler sucks.

    • @MK_ULTRA420
      @MK_ULTRA420 Рік тому +74

      My theory is that the Joker's super sanity allows him to realize that the entire existence of his multiverse depends on him being the Joker. Without him and his crazy antics, the Batman series would go broke, so it doesn't matter how many lives he ruins when doing nothing ruins everything.

    • @RedVelvetBlackleather
      @RedVelvetBlackleather Рік тому +4

      @@nechocat1234
      Example plz as someone with only experience with riddler from the AA game series

  • @clyax113
    @clyax113 Рік тому +95

    L finding out Joker's identity means absolutely nothing. He would hear it announced and then do what Aaron Sanchez said and just blow up a hospital to prove it means nothing. That would be such a Joker thing to do. He'd also say something like "figuring out the punchline means nothing when you don't have *delivery*" before he blows up the maternal ward of a hospital.

    • @StarSteve681
      @StarSteve681 3 місяці тому +1

      Well when Batman threatened to tell joker his identity making him freak out and then he threw himself off a cliff rather then know the truth but other’s versions of the joker might not care

    • @clyax113
      @clyax113 3 місяці тому +4

      @@StarSteve681 True. I guess it does depend. Still, I think Joker making a "delivery" joke and then blowing up a maternity ward of a hospital would be an moment in this hypothetical battle.

  • @Jdove-fk4ii
    @Jdove-fk4ii Рік тому +304

    Having L execute joker I actually see as the ultimate loss for joker it isn't a big scary vigilante who stops joker to keep people safe it's just a childish detective who finds solving cases interesting

    • @TrixyTrixter
      @TrixyTrixter Рік тому +85

      Yup. Joker was terrified in one of the shows when the situation came up where he thought an average guy could kill him with a bomb. He wants a real flashy ending not some nobody that he himself has no interest in.

    • @tfordham13
      @tfordham13 11 місяців тому +4

      ​@@TrixyTrixter my favorite ep

    • @Mentelgen-1337
      @Mentelgen-1337 11 місяців тому

      this is just disrespect... makes me wish L is getting buried alive by being outsmarted because of his cockiness.

    • @andrewchopmas8834
      @andrewchopmas8834 8 місяців тому +1

      Joker could easily kill L to he honest

    • @johnpett1955
      @johnpett1955 2 місяці тому

      It would be a nightmare for him.

  • @michaelgarcia5680
    @michaelgarcia5680 Рік тому +2169

    Joker’s not exactly covering his tracks but he would probably want L to find him only to kidnap and torture him.
    EDIT: yikes looks like I started a war with the L fans lol

    • @grandcanyon-fu9zt
      @grandcanyon-fu9zt Рік тому +136

      I'd love Joker vs Johan Liebert would be interesting
      If L stops the outbreak of WW3 , then he's not a walk in the park.

    • @annoyingcat5328
      @annoyingcat5328 Рік тому +33

      Yeah he would want to but L isn't Batman so he wouldn't.

    • @michaelgarcia5680
      @michaelgarcia5680 Рік тому +48

      @@grandcanyon-fu9zt oh god Joker and Johan together feels even more insane than Kratos and Asura in the same room

    • @itzYonko
      @itzYonko Рік тому +14

      L would obviously know that. Do you think L is stupid lmao, Why do you think seth made this video in the first place? It's because he is a detective that almost rivals batman in intelligence.

    • @grandcanyon-fu9zt
      @grandcanyon-fu9zt Рік тому +17

      @@itzYonko Batman's IQ is 192 while kid L was 250 - 300

  • @TehJonnyBoi
    @TehJonnyBoi Рік тому +824

    The "Could Batman solve the Kira case" video was always one of my favourite videos from your channel! Glad to see a "sequel" on the idea

    • @slipinslider
      @slipinslider Рік тому +1

      Not any of the deleted ones?

    • @Resident4Island
      @Resident4Island Рік тому +4

      The problem with these videos Batman and Joker live in paranormal world with God's, Alien's, Demon etc. Let me explain Batman on being World Greatest Detective is a master of 127 martial art's being the best H2H combatant basically Brawn and Brain combined and Joker just like Batman has a genius level intelligence and has his own chaotic fighting style in other words their conflict is both action packed and heavy dilagoue between ideology's .That's why most people can collab with them and do crossover's and that's why someone like Johan, Kira or L will never crossover beacuse they are not that speacial.

    • @zeehero7280
      @zeehero7280 Рік тому +1

      @@Resident4Island Kira's main strength is being able to kill literally anyone with a soul if he has their face and name. However once his method of killing is known, it becomes much easier to defend against.

  • @omgjlmiub
    @omgjlmiub Рік тому +151

    I assumed L’s win condition is more prove the Joker is guilty in the judicial system, not so much revealing his identity. He needed Light’s identity to prove he was a serial killer not strictly for the name. Same thing with BB, he wanted to prove BB’s guilt and arrest him, not specifically getting his name.

    • @tfordham13
      @tfordham13 11 місяців тому +3

      Yeah get joker tried as a sane man as he is and throw him in the chair

    • @Michael-sb8jf
      @Michael-sb8jf 9 місяців тому +1

      @@tfordham13
      good luck with that
      he's been in numerous max security prisons and finds a way out via by shenanigans or outside help

    • @tfordham13
      @tfordham13 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Michael-sb8jfin maximum security in a mental asylum where there not meant to kill him plus joker has a reason to go after batman he doesn't have the same thinh towards L as L wouldn't care to go back after joker

  • @kiratherenegade1561
    @kiratherenegade1561 Рік тому +168

    No. The Joker's greatest asset isn't his intelligence, it's his judge of character. He sees right through every single person immediately. Makes him so much more dangerous.
    Keep in mind - L's greatest strength is his powers of deduction. You can't deduce much from the Joker - he's truly bananas.

    • @tfordham13
      @tfordham13 5 місяців тому +2

      No jokers more truely sane he knows he isnt real most of the time

  • @WeebsUnite
    @WeebsUnite Рік тому +626

    I think Joker would WANT L to catch him, but I also believe Joker would get bored with him quick (unlike Batman) and just straight up kill him off.

    • @zaz7833
      @zaz7833 Рік тому +16

      pretty much

    • @GenUrobutcher
      @GenUrobutcher Рік тому +55

      No, lol. L isn't defense less. He would be the one to kill/arrest the joker. L isn't dumb enough to send him back to Arkham lol.

    • @asura3229
      @asura3229 Рік тому +126

      @@GenUrobutcher Joker would find where he lives, laughing gas he’s entire crew, Then tortured him for two days until he gets bored …..he would do this all in two days and that’s the flight to his house.
      Modern day joker probably bodies the entire FBI agency with a bat.

    • @GenUrobutcher
      @GenUrobutcher Рік тому

      @@asura3229 lmao you joker fanboys are so dumb. It's because of dumb writing joker could do this. Joker is a mere human.
      L has history of dealing with worse than joker like Beyond Birthday. L will take necessary precautions and he isn't dumb enough to send joker back to Arkham lol.

    • @zk0rned
      @zk0rned Рік тому +94

      @@GenUrobutcher If it's the Joker then yeah L is fuckin defenseless against him

  • @TheFuneralKing
    @TheFuneralKing Рік тому +449

    Another thing to note, though it might not be too important, Joker is probably aware of the fact he’s in a comic book. He’s referenced the reader a few times, referenced past crossovers nobody else remembers, and even turned the page of a comic he was in.

    • @user-lp8im7ow8s
      @user-lp8im7ow8s Рік тому +36

      Batman outsmarted Anti Monitor who also Destroyed a place that viewed DC as Fiction .

    • @TypetwoAbsolute
      @TypetwoAbsolute Рік тому +117

      If that's the case, Joker being in a manga and it being read the opposite way would confuse him and cause him to slip up and get caught

    • @lukefloor
      @lukefloor Рік тому +9

      that’s not 100% confirmed that’s just a theory i believe that it probably true for a few versions of the joker but not every joker i’ve seen the imaginary axis too

    • @TheFuneralKing
      @TheFuneralKing Рік тому +15

      @@TypetwoAbsolute he’s actually been in a manga before, though I’m not sure if that version of him was aware of the 4th wall

    • @TheFuneralKing
      @TheFuneralKing Рік тому +1

      @@lukefloor hence the “probably”
      Plus with the state of DC Comics last I checked anything you want is canon, or at least that’s what I still hear.

  • @kiratherenegade1561
    @kiratherenegade1561 Рік тому +100

    I'd love a dialogue between Joker & Light. I think the Joker would recognise his inner insanity near immediately.

    • @Jessidafennecfox
      @Jessidafennecfox Рік тому +12

      I think Joker would kill Light in general

    • @maninhu9837
      @maninhu9837 Рік тому +8

      Nah, he would hella laugh about it

    • @RealHajimeHinata
      @RealHajimeHinata 7 місяців тому +4

      Yeah or Joker would probably get in his head and/or reduce him to tears just by sheer manipulation.

    • @tananatana4011
      @tananatana4011 5 місяців тому +5

      Joker would just fuck with Light effortlessly. Joker, as wicked as he seems, is actually INCREDIBLY calculated and I'd argue, WAY MORE STABLE than Light, emotionally at least. Joker's ridiculously cunning and intelligent, you never quite know what he's about, meanwhile if not observed with a one sided eye like Light's father or his friends in the task force, Light's lies are quite obvious and are always pretty cheesy

    • @BrandonScott-mi5pz
      @BrandonScott-mi5pz 22 дні тому

      GREAT VIDEO

  • @NimbusTM
    @NimbusTM Рік тому +74

    I'd believe that L could discover Joker's identity if, as mentioned in canon, Bruce knew such only a week after he appeared the first time, which basically confirms that the Joker's backstory is The Killing Joke, as Bruce is seen observing his wife and child who were removed from Joker's old apartment by police for safety reasons.

  • @Agent-57
    @Agent-57 Рік тому +411

    The fact is, even in the Killing Joke, Joker himself admits that his backstory might not be true. He likes it to be different every time. Some parts of it might be true but some are mixed up.
    The fact that after all these years even the readers don't know what his actual backstory is, it's kinda terrifying.

    • @cryamistellimek9184
      @cryamistellimek9184 Рік тому +67

      Not terrifying, just annoying. They’ll make up whatever bullshit they want to push the story with joker that week.

    • @nechocat1234
      @nechocat1234 Рік тому +56

      @@cryamistellimek9184 yeah I feel you, joker worked best as a small scale villain not with over complicated plots to destroy gotham but being there to mess up specific people, before the modern age joker the tought of joker having a backstory wasn't even important he either was a mafioso with clown makeup or a crazy dude doing petty crimes being batman's archnemesis is modern era stuff, when the righters made joker and batman needing each other existance is sickening it implies that batman is not doing super hero stuff to fix the city and is just doing it as a petty game with joker

    • @user-sg4ti3er6k
      @user-sg4ti3er6k Рік тому +13

      @@cryamistellimek9184 So you can shit any idea, no matter how good it is, just call it nonsense and that's it, it's not an argument

    • @theapexsurvivor9538
      @theapexsurvivor9538 Рік тому +26

      Yeah, it's kinda silly treating this specific origin as canon and then wondering why no one figured it out. It's easy because you're falling into the trap of taking the Joker on his word. In all likelihood he didn't even have "one bad day", he just had a degenerative neurological disorder that lead him to go mad over time, then he retroactively applied a twisted philosophy to justify his behaviour until he was so far gone that he didn't need it, by which point he was already obsessed with demonstrating it. Even if he was confident in what his backstory is, he's not a reliable narrator, especially after how often he's gone to Arkham Asylum (whose founder electrocuted his first patient during shock therapy, was home to Harley Quinn, Scarecrow, and the second Black Mask during their prior careers in psychology, and is notorious for having doctors experiment on the patients).

    • @chance6754
      @chance6754 Рік тому +18

      @@cryamistellimek9184 and that's exactly why it's great. The joker not having a true origin means the possibilities of stories that can be told with him are endless.

  • @TheInkTank
    @TheInkTank Рік тому +524

    Great sequel to your first Batman/ Death Note video. I like how you mentioned the three Jokers as part of the equation.

    • @hiroko_9779
      @hiroko_9779 Рік тому +6

      Didn't expect to see you here either but, yo big fan also!

    • @itzYonko
      @itzYonko Рік тому +3

      The ben 10 youtuber

    • @espresso387
      @espresso387 Рік тому +3

      It's the 5yl people

    • @KuroTheDesigner
      @KuroTheDesigner Рік тому +4

      Seeing you here is kinda funny for me, the two peeps that inspired my gamertag lol

    • @darthhorizon1735
      @darthhorizon1735 Рік тому +1

      Generator Rex vs Ben 10

  • @Hazaroth
    @Hazaroth Рік тому +215

    Can the FBI catch SethTheProgrammer?

  • @shsbebzbsbsbssb
    @shsbebzbsbsbssb Рік тому +21

    can L catch you though?

  • @topcat59
    @topcat59 Рік тому +401

    So L practically has a chance on beating the joker if he finds out his original identity and arrest him before he becomes insane but if he fails the game is already over and joker would instantly win. That’s cool.😺

    • @bulbafett5001
      @bulbafett5001 Рік тому +33

      Batman knows Joker's real identity and has been keeping his ex wife and son in witness protection in Alaska. TOok him a week to find it out (Also Bruce Told the jOker who HE WAS too at that time). I'm pretty sure L could find the same information just as fast if not faster given he doesn't spend most of his nights jumping off of rooftops.

    • @erichaskins1942
      @erichaskins1942 Рік тому +21

      This was never said in the video...L would still be able to find out the joker's identity as long as he gets to working before the work files are erased. the files weren't erased as soon as the joker fell, the files still existed at the point of the joker falling it's simply only a matter of time before the files do happen to get erased.

    • @death-nm7hr
      @death-nm7hr Рік тому +6

      @@erichaskins1942 Even people who are smarter than L couldn't figure out who joker is though

    • @user-lp8im7ow8s
      @user-lp8im7ow8s Рік тому +5

      @@bulbafett5001 Joker outsmarts Gods and aliens , so basically it won't matter

    • @Paradox-es3bl
      @Paradox-es3bl Рік тому +4

      Right, but that's after Joker really got going. Basically, if L got interested in Joker during the Clown Prince Of Crime's first year, L could probably win. (Assuming the files existed for about a year. We aren't told exactly when they're deleted, so let's just say a year, because the government/EPA move slow irl) After that? Pretty much instant loss.
      Also, he can only figure out 1/3 Joker's identities. But assuming Red Hood/Killing Joke Joker is the 1st Joker (which I don't think he is but let's pretend for a second), then L can win in Year 1 and the other 2 Jokers possibly never exist.
      However, if I remember right, there's basically classic-Silver Age Joker, from the 60s and stuff, who is canonically the 1st Joker. Pretty sure Killing Joke Joker is then the 2nd. Because I think he's from the more modern era. Not even sure which is the 3rd? I'm gonna guess the one who cut his face off? Seems different enough from KJ Joker to be a 3rd lol. But who knows? They're all crazy.

  • @darkseidomega2585
    @darkseidomega2585 Рік тому +297

    I'm sure L can catch him but that's when Joker game starts , if L commits the error of restrain him like he did with Kira and Misa he's pretty much done.
    L always looked superior to Kira until he did something unpredictable like losing his memories at purpose, that's L weakness and one of Joker best feats, being unpredictable.

    • @grandcanyon-fu9zt
      @grandcanyon-fu9zt Рік тому +7

      L stopped ww3 at 8 years old

    • @justsomebody5450
      @justsomebody5450 Рік тому +68

      @@grandcanyon-fu9zt joker is as smart as batman and outsmarted the entire justice league so no

    • @grandcanyon-fu9zt
      @grandcanyon-fu9zt Рік тому +2

      @@justsomebody5450 if both were on neutral grounds, L could definitely catch him.

    • @shastacat9632
      @shastacat9632 Рік тому +60

      @@grandcanyon-fu9zt its not about catching him though, its about winning

    • @nathansmith4740
      @nathansmith4740 Рік тому +25

      @@shastacat9632 It's true, it is about winning. In the end whatever happens the Joker basically wins, he wants to be caught meaning he would win in the end no matter what L does.

  • @steadyrow
    @steadyrow Рік тому +26

    This is what makes L so much fun. He's a really well done trope character so he transitions well.

  • @EDhogg25
    @EDhogg25 Рік тому +25

    Could SeththeGroomer catch more L's - Real Life (Yes)

  • @GChezlynD
    @GChezlynD Рік тому +50

    Capturing The Joker is not the problem. On the other hand, outsmarting The Joker is the real issue.
    Genius Intellect Vs. Super Insanity

  • @AngelNearDestruction
    @AngelNearDestruction Рік тому +86

    The Joker's identity doesn't matter because he presumably doesn't have anything to do with his former life, he is a new insane identity.

    • @chaoticdetectivepeach
      @chaoticdetectivepeach Рік тому +1

      Also he said at the beginning that nobody ever found Jokers real identity but Batman did find his identity, he just didn't tell anyone about it

    • @ThefifthBishopofGord
      @ThefifthBishopofGord Рік тому

      For the sake of the rules is matters but it really doesn’t make sense when it comes down to Joker’s character

    • @sss_7399
      @sss_7399 Рік тому

      @@ThefifthBishopofGord your wrong about that the joker is way too smart for L but at the end he just wants to have fun if L announces these rules it more than likely joker will accept and play by them unless he wants to torture L by killing someone close to him in order to make him stronger

    • @ThefifthBishopofGord
      @ThefifthBishopofGord Рік тому

      @@sss_7399 Yeah, I honestly barely know anything about either characters and that does seem like something the Joker from what I know. Like I have literally not read or seen a single panel of death note before this video but I know a slight bit more since I have actually a seen panels with the joker in them

    • @kmaximusconnor3665
      @kmaximusconnor3665 Рік тому +1

      I mean what would revealing his identity really do like “the joker is John Doe now we can send people out to go catch him” like everyone’s been trying to catch him regardless revealing his true identity doesn’t change the goal or approach at all and doesn’t even really provide any useful info.

  • @jahviertemple6962
    @jahviertemple6962 Рік тому +43

    Imagine how dangerous L would be if he was trained by Batman instead lol

  • @jossuearias3509
    @jossuearias3509 Рік тому +8

    Stopping the Joker case is less about figuring out his identity. And more about finding out which warehouse he's using as a base. And capturing him before he can cause more terror

  • @Starwarsdude8221991
    @Starwarsdude8221991 Рік тому +96

    The sequel you never knew you wanted

  • @coletrain_one
    @coletrain_one Рік тому +50

    Catch Joker? Yes maybe but, stopping him is a completely different debate especially considering Batman has stated the only person who knows what Joker is doing is the Joker and what makes him dangerous is just how unpredictable he is especially considering just how insane he is. He also famously says he’s a man without a plan but he is constantly “planning” sometimes ahead of Batman due to his unpredictability, he’s insane but smart and knows what he’s doing , only he knows. L is smart but due to Jokers sheer insanity I’d say he’d get caught but break out whenever he wants or just bully L his whole career.

    • @grandcanyon-fu9zt
      @grandcanyon-fu9zt Рік тому +1

      If the story is in Death Note, then Joker loses.

    • @justsomebody5450
      @justsomebody5450 Рік тому +2

      @@grandcanyon-fu9zt no joker wins

    • @justsomebody5450
      @justsomebody5450 Рік тому +1

      @@grandcanyon-fu9zt also there's no way joker would exist in the death note universe so this like a combined universe

    • @coletrain_one
      @coletrain_one Рік тому +6

      @@grandcanyon-fu9ztJoker beats L 9/10 times and it’s bullying, again only Joker knows what he’s doing it doesn’t matter how far ahead L thinks he is, Joker is gonna be ahead. He’s insane but a very methodical thinker don’t underestimate his intelligence just cause he’s insane.

    • @coletrain_one
      @coletrain_one Рік тому +3

      @@justsomebody5450 agreed even if he did I feel like they’d laugh at him or underestimate him at first which would give Joker the automatic win. As soon as you let your guard down against Joker your fucked, superman did it and injustice happened lmao.

  • @lunarwhisperinc.1591
    @lunarwhisperinc.1591 Рік тому +6

    I love when you make videos like this, they're genuinely interesting and in-depth. I hope you'll keep posting videos like this

  • @TheSurrealist.
    @TheSurrealist. Рік тому +46

    The only advantage L has up on Batman is that if L gets a hold of Joker he would have no qualms about killing him. If he deduced that Joker is too big a threat to keep alive, which I’m sure L would figure out, he’d have him killed immediately.

    • @AdvancedGamer-
      @AdvancedGamer- 4 місяці тому

      He would still want to know his identity
      His pride is too much

    • @iamLI3
      @iamLI3 4 місяці тому

      @@AdvancedGamer- but why is there pride in revealing a madman's former identity?....

    • @AdvancedGamer-
      @AdvancedGamer- 4 місяці тому

      @@iamLI3 Kira js proof

    • @iamLI3
      @iamLI3 4 місяці тому

      @@AdvancedGamer- but L doesn't think kira is a madman

  • @NickDoraRaw
    @NickDoraRaw Рік тому +145

    L is skilled at analyzing calculated strategy, whereas the Joker is pure unpredictable chaos. When someone’s moves aren’t traceable, they become almost impossible to beat.

    • @Dragoonsoul7878
      @Dragoonsoul7878 Рік тому +22

      He isn't pure unpredictable chaos otherwise at times he would start trying to aid the world.
      Chaos swings all ways.

    • @tonyravioli1982
      @tonyravioli1982 Рік тому +5

      @@Dragoonsoul7878 You could very well argue that his chaos could help the world. It really depends on how you look at it.

    • @remrem-gx3ml
      @remrem-gx3ml Рік тому +9

      the joker isnt just pure chaos though. he does do things with a purpose. he wants to make the world laugh like he does. he wants to teach people lessons in despair and madness. that life is chaos and a giant joke of suffering and tragedy. you might not be able to predict his moves easily but baiting a trap would be easy.

  • @pigherder2660
    @pigherder2660 Рік тому +42

    I love when seth has to pay bills and showers us with vids

  • @Povertedtentially
    @Povertedtentially Рік тому +12

    You ARE the Joker

  • @Harmtronic
    @Harmtronic Рік тому +39

    Could L catch Seth?

  • @mushroomman7337
    @mushroomman7337 Рік тому +46

    Yes we're back with deathnote omg. Deathnote is such a good show and this is like the best possible follow up to your "could batman catch kira" and thank you so much

  • @potterpal5
    @potterpal5 Рік тому +28

    Could Mystery Inc. solve the Kira case?

    • @JumpyKaput
      @JumpyKaput Рік тому +9

      Jinkies

    • @MichaelAChristian1
      @MichaelAChristian1 Рік тому

      No.

    • @krankkid7394
      @krankkid7394 Рік тому +6

      @@MichaelAChristian1 you must be forgetting about ultra instinct shaggy and god of destruction scooby doo. Two gods definitely sweep Kira

    • @MichaelAChristian1
      @MichaelAChristian1 Рік тому +2

      @@krankkid7394 Yeah super shaggy could figure it out.

    • @anikultra2525
      @anikultra2525 Рік тому

      Maby they wil cause the kira case or get deathnote first

  • @LiquidRayne
    @LiquidRayne Рік тому +18

    Now we need a Joker vs Kira! That would be really fun to see play out

    • @Jessidafennecfox
      @Jessidafennecfox Рік тому +3

      And than Batman and L vs Joker and Kira.

    • @HeroineMotherOfficial
      @HeroineMotherOfficial Рік тому

      Light wins so easily💀

    • @Jsipki265
      @Jsipki265 Рік тому

      @@HeroineMotherOfficial what? How tf would light ever figure out joker identity? He would need to follow joker to his beginning to ever find it which isn’t likely.

    • @quasar9745
      @quasar9745 Рік тому +5

      @@HeroineMotherOfficial nah not even close, there is just no possible way light could ever find out joker's name

    • @HeroineMotherOfficial
      @HeroineMotherOfficial Рік тому +2

      @@Jsipki265 misa has the shinigami eyes tho

  • @Chessbox09
    @Chessbox09 Рік тому +38

    The Jokers' strength is his unpredictability. Which is interesting since L seems to revel in asymmetrical warfare. The main issue is that the L has morals and the Joker doesn't, which will make life difficult for L.

    • @GenesisSMH
      @GenesisSMH Рік тому +25

      L's Morals are very questionable. these cases are higher on his value system than basic morals.

  • @iBlueHood
    @iBlueHood Рік тому +22

    I like the idea a young Batman attempts to stop the red hood but is killed and the reveal of Billionaire Bruce Wayne being a vigilante and being killed by another costumed foe / gang Interests L enough to become involved but he’s too late to stop Red hood before becoming the Joker. Great vid!

  • @Jp41999
    @Jp41999 Рік тому +42

    As expected back to back to back quality content from Seth.

  • @liveliving7528
    @liveliving7528 Рік тому +186

    I'd think the most realistic outcome from this scenario is L being manipulated into ingesting Joker toxin and thus creating The L Who Laughs; cackling from a chair in a fetal position while nomming on dessert.

    • @KhanhNguyen-mh5ec
      @KhanhNguyen-mh5ec Рік тому +23

      Please stopped no more who laugh. People who laugh gets boring really quick

    • @liveliving7528
      @liveliving7528 Рік тому +13

      @@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec I'd don't know about you or anyone else but I'd read "The Khanh Nguyen Who Laughs"!

    • @KhanhNguyen-mh5ec
      @KhanhNguyen-mh5ec Рік тому +6

      @@liveliving7528 Until I become so powerful I make conflict non existence thus no story.

    • @PeanutTechno
      @PeanutTechno Рік тому +6

      @@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec It's due to poor execution. There is a character whose whole backstory (B Rex) is a page front and back. 14 textboxes. To me that's not a backstory, that's an idea held together by glue, duck tape, and a nearly terminal case of writer's block. If you have an idea, don't make it so blatant that you're out of ideas.

    • @livelife4928
      @livelife4928 Рік тому +6

      I think a better name would be " The Laughing Man "

  • @origins183
    @origins183 Рік тому

    Banger video. This style is some of y’all’s best work.

  • @user-jb2ev1mu8k
    @user-jb2ev1mu8k Рік тому +72

    What if Kira called Saul Goodman?

  • @l.o.l7049
    @l.o.l7049 Рік тому +11

    The real challenge isn't catching Joker (or any of batman's villains) it's keeping them contained 😶

  • @z-ro1641
    @z-ro1641 Рік тому +3

    Riddler: Why not me? I am a better rival for L for a long list of reasons

  • @kodigibson8376
    @kodigibson8376 Рік тому

    Yes!! I just rewatched batman vs kira last night. We need more death note content seth!

  • @davidogundipe808
    @davidogundipe808 Рік тому +19

    You should a third video about how L and Batman would outsmart each other if placed in the same universe.

    • @abyzz4419
      @abyzz4419 Рік тому +2

      Actually no,No would be a child's play for Batman..so is Johan..
      Bruce is just built different and the intellect feats are not even comparable..

    • @tananatana4011
      @tananatana4011 Рік тому +1

      What exactly are they trying to do?
      If this is L versus Batman in who can figure out each other's identity, L stomps 10/10
      If it's who can catch each other first, Batman stomps 10/10

    • @christopherrogers532
      @christopherrogers532 Рік тому +1

      It'd likely be some kind of tie where they work together or ignore each other due to having the same goals of stopping crime.

  • @poweroffriendship2.0
    @poweroffriendship2.0 Рік тому +8

    If Light does exists in the DC Universe, then The Riddler has finally found a worthy opponent, since both of them are narcissistic geniuses who is obsessed with finding out their identities through names.

  • @audioprowess9208
    @audioprowess9208 Рік тому +3

    Riddler: “Hey L, Riddle me th…”
    L: “Oh don’t worry we already had all the bombs you planted around the city defused”

  • @thethreekings9120
    @thethreekings9120 3 місяці тому +2

    Had no idea that there was three different canonical versions of the Joker. This guy just keeps getting stranger by the day, I swear.

  • @trevorwilliams7384
    @trevorwilliams7384 Рік тому +5

    Man Seth's really bangin' out the content this week, keep up the good work bro

  • @gra9
    @gra9 Рік тому +13

    The deathnote and Batman crossovers are your best videos imo

  • @Menace.2.
    @Menace.2. Рік тому +1

    Best anime youtuber for me the most underrated channel with shonen showdown i love your videos man

  • @daltsu3498
    @daltsu3498 Рік тому +8

    Making the victory condition arresting the joker, is weighing this heavily in lights favor. The joker regularly escapes from the police and allows himself to be caught very consistently.

    • @docomega7862
      @docomega7862 Рік тому +1

      Exactly, the only win condition would be to arrest him, sentence him to death and actually carrying out the sentence. That is of course if L doesn't care about proving the joker's ideology by killing him and doesn't want to rehabilitate him like batman

    • @tananatana4011
      @tananatana4011 Рік тому

      Yeah, but the police in DC is so embarrassingly incompetent lol. Joker usually just turns himself in and pleads for insanity despite that making no sense. If L caught Joker in his early days, he would've executed him right there and then

    • @Kashlikaro
      @Kashlikaro Рік тому

      L would whip Gotham's law enforcement into shape with terrifying efficiency, assuming he didn't just pull the national agencies into his game first. There wouldn't be any 'incompetent official somehow lets the Joker out' for the Joker to abuse, L would seal the holes in his net first, before casting it. Likely through illegal means, depending on how much he wants to win the game.

  • @poseidonsolos6578
    @poseidonsolos6578 Рік тому +3

    Excellent analysis like always Seth

  • @miketps2451
    @miketps2451 Рік тому +6

    these kinds of videos are so interesting and relaxing to watch thanks Seth

  • @TheCreepypro
    @TheCreepypro Рік тому +1

    this was an awesome video and hope we get more like it

  • @1starfalco1
    @1starfalco1 Рік тому

    I love these death note "what if" stories keep up the good work

  • @siresorb1419
    @siresorb1419 Рік тому +3

    Yes. Next question. (The joker never really tries to hide his trail.

  • @randallsavage2658
    @randallsavage2658 Рік тому +7

    Can you imagine if the Death Note still worked if the pages were laminated. Light could have used an erasable sharpie and have an unlimited use Death Note 📝

  • @Paravoid
    @Paravoid Рік тому

    I literally just rewatched the Batman V Light video yesterday, this upload is perfect timing

  • @Kuma_Kares
    @Kuma_Kares Рік тому

    Love this! Definitely need more

  • @Just_a_Tool
    @Just_a_Tool Рік тому +44

    I know there was a theory that Joker is insanely unreadable because Joker is *aware* of his status of being a comic book character. He doesn't feel bad about killing people because they're just drawings the author made. He knows his role is to be the villain to entertain the reader. That's why he doesn't consider himself insane. That's why he considers himself super-sane. Because he is aware of his existence. That's why he isn't sure what origin of his is real either. Because they all can be retconned and he recognizes that.
    The only character I would be able to think of that could figure out who he is is someone that is aware of the story.

    • @anna.owo.
      @anna.owo. Рік тому +3

      This isn't canon in every version

    • @tfordham13
      @tfordham13 11 місяців тому +1

      Not canon

  • @miguelangelus959
    @miguelangelus959 Рік тому +3

    That plot point about L having to not send a helicopter after Joker when he jumped into the river, like... why would L even be interested in this RANDOM ASS robery in the first place? I'd guess it would be just the police trying to catch the Joker, causing him to jump into the river

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka Рік тому

    Great job man

  • @Soyril
    @Soyril Рік тому

    always enjoy your vids Seth, appreciate you

  • @Alistair_McCullom
    @Alistair_McCullom Рік тому +6

    L can figure out jokers plan and maybe even how to stop him but actually having the capability to do it is something else entirely

  • @rustyshackelford3590
    @rustyshackelford3590 Рік тому +3

    Joker is basically a villain with plot armor because everyone loves him so much

  • @Javamintyyy
    @Javamintyyy Рік тому

    These videos are so great

  • @justjonin7700
    @justjonin7700 Рік тому

    another awesome video good job seth and crisis

  • @ethanhutley1204
    @ethanhutley1204 11 місяців тому +4

    Joker is alot smarter then people think

  • @hyrulezomby6828
    @hyrulezomby6828 Рік тому +5

    Batman actually does know Joker’s identity. He speaks to Alfred in one comic that he knew who the Joker was a week after meeting him and the only reason he doesn’t reveal it is because he is keeping Joker’s family(his wife and son who both lived), in hiding so neither the Joker or others would be able to find them.

  • @demetriushardy6134
    @demetriushardy6134 Рік тому

    That’s a great idea for an video bro I haven’t seen it yet excited to.

  • @droubs9481
    @droubs9481 Рік тому

    I love this style of video PLEASE MAKE MORE PLEASE MAKE MORE

  • @yoavbenclaudia3073
    @yoavbenclaudia3073 Рік тому +10

    I just keep rewatching Death Note. It’s short enough to binge over and over, like Invincible, and it’s just so good. While people complain about the second arc, and it does indeed have issues, it is still great (especially the soundtrack, if you listen to the anime while gaming like I do). So I love to see any videos like this that goes into a more realistic outcome of certain moments in the ani-manga, and videos that see if L could discover other villains or real criminals and vise versa if other villains or heroes could discover and arrest/kill Light or kill L.

    • @Chessbox09
      @Chessbox09 Рік тому

      I just watched Death Note for the first time, it’s just so gripping. I’m watching it again just after finishing it, something I’ve never done before.

  • @clyax113
    @clyax113 Рік тому +18

    This fight is more of a "why bother" scenario. Either give L the ability to go back in time to when Joker was less mysterious and catch him in the act of a crime, or face the force of inevitable entropy. The last video was much more of a strategy video while this is more of a thought experiment of combining two very different characters.

  • @KB-zq9ny
    @KB-zq9ny Рік тому

    Awesome. I bet you could write great mystery series. I would have never thought of some of that!

  • @heinousangel6606
    @heinousangel6606 Рік тому

    Was literally binging ur death note videos and u upload this shit today god am I so happy

  • @alicethedragonprincess447
    @alicethedragonprincess447 Рік тому +3

    I think I L and Light going against a more "grounded " character would be quite interesting but as for who that would be I'm not sure at this time but great video like always

  • @dakotatichelio273
    @dakotatichelio273 Рік тому +3

    I always like these crossverse videos Seth! Keep it up!

  • @arieljesuscolon7723
    @arieljesuscolon7723 Рік тому

    Awesome, i love your superhero videos! I hope you make more.

  • @blackhand441
    @blackhand441 Рік тому +1

    L : "I am Justice"
    Joker : "Oh thank God, I thought you were the IRS"

  • @superbad8008
    @superbad8008 Рік тому +14

    Even Martian Manhunter having trouble messing with Joker’s mind is crazy.

  • @dera8048
    @dera8048 Рік тому +5

    Goku vs Rimuru

  • @opyams3054
    @opyams3054 Рік тому

    This many videos back to back? Seth your scaring me

  • @siphono---
    @siphono--- Рік тому

    You make interesting scenario I enjoy it

  • @datboimazz
    @datboimazz Рік тому +5

    😂😂😂This man Seth disappears for a month and comes back to drop straight bangers

  • @goroakechi8577
    @goroakechi8577 Рік тому +23

    The crazy part to take into account is that Joker is an insanely smart character.

  • @nobodysbusinezz
    @nobodysbusinezz Рік тому

    Thanks for your vids. They mean a lot to me.

  • @naomiuchiha0906
    @naomiuchiha0906 7 місяців тому

    That's the kind of content i need

  • @diefty94
    @diefty94 Рік тому +5

    Easily. Batman has caught him 100 times.The hard part is not catching him, it's keeping him in the revolving door that is Arkham.

    • @Mr_Edward_Nigma
      @Mr_Edward_Nigma Рік тому

      well it is explained that joker doesn't fully try and him sometimes WANTING batman to catch him, plus considering that godlike entities can't even find out who the joker truly is its going to be one hell of a challenge. plus joker himself admits not even he knows his past and if he is going to have multiple he might as well choose what backstory he believes.

    • @diefty94
      @diefty94 Рік тому +1

      @@Mr_Edward_Nigma that keeps changing depending on the writter, for example in 3 Jokers It is explained that Batman always knew the who the Joker was.
      In most versions he is just a regular insane criminal, nothing special compared to Light Yagami who had top level intelligence and supernatural help from his Note, Misa and the Shinigami.
      The Joker is not a challengr to Batman as a detective, he never was, he is a challenge to his morals. It's not about wether Batman Will catch Joker, it's what Will he do after he gets him, kill him and break his n1 rule or follow the law. That was what Killing Joke was all about. Joker knew that he would get caught easily so his plan was to prove thqt good men like Batman and Gordon could turn bad like him.

  • @JoniEscar_07
    @JoniEscar_07 Рік тому +4

    I still don't believe how people forget how for many many years Joker has managed to outsmart Batman again and again

  • @memehi8081
    @memehi8081 Рік тому

    Great video

  • @CAT-ve1tm
    @CAT-ve1tm Рік тому +1

    I would love to see a Kira vs Joker video in the future.

  • @StormXXII
    @StormXXII Рік тому +20

    seth been killing it lately

    • @zaz7833
      @zaz7833 Рік тому +2

      ikr?

    • @Hazaroth
      @Hazaroth Рік тому

      Killing people's mental health

  • @Vader255
    @Vader255 Рік тому +5

    Seth is really on a roll

  • @LilGabri94
    @LilGabri94 Рік тому

    Man we need more videos like these