2023 Range Rover Sport Review. Should you buy this instead of the Range Rover & save £20,000?
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- The new Range Rover Sport is almost the same size of the Range Rover, so should you buy this instead and save £20,000.
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If these SUVs get any bigger, people are going to need a Class 1 to drive one.
That’s a genuine issue with full big EV’s as the weight increases
Apparently EU is on its way to move the “B” licence from 3500kg GVWR TO 4250kg really soon. EVs and cars like these might well be one of the reasons for that.
@@thejfg7741 pretty sure the current range rover EV in development is over the weight threshold.
@@ReplicantBattyman I have heard the rumours.
Just started watching and guessing already it’s too big.
Sorry Harry but at 100K it’s not a “normal family” car.
I Totally agree. Most of those reviewers have lost the touch with reality. They are so spoiled with the cars they drive.
Just speculation. Perhaps the comment is because he probably represents Britain's highest-earning tenth.
Lol agreed
Normal to his peers
@@8arcbal Tenth? I’d guess he’s a 99 percenter. So from his perspective, RRs are family cars
Front from bonnet down looks like 1 car stacked onto another 😮
omg can't unsee
Agree
I can’t ignore that now. Very questionable design decision.
That's because - in terms of weight - that's exactly what this is!
I can't unsee it now. Why did you tell me??
7:48 '...time to move away from round dials...'. Fair enough if round dials don't do it for you, Harry. But to my eyes not only are round dials perfectly easy to read, and they look great aesthetically. You know, if it ain't broke and all that.
Have to agree. I was surprised to hear HM’s comment on dials. I’ve always thought that it’s much easier to glance down at a dial and see the position of the needle. You soon learn the geography of the dials and it’s easy to relate the needle position to a particular speed or to RPM.
Tyre manufacturers must love all of this additional weight. See you in 5,000 miles for a new set.
In the old days people used to struggle with over tight wheel nuts, now even if they are ok people struggle with the weight of the 22 inch wheel and 285 tyre. I feel for the tyre fitters backs...
@@zakelwe They are indeed heavy. I have a 2022 Disco 5 and because it has 22 inch road tyres it's basically useless off-road so I'm often switching from these wheels to a set of 20 inch off roaders. They're like truck wheels. I don't know how any woman could replace a flat tyre on the side of a road dealing with such heft
And roads will wear sooner with the increased weight of cars.
Hmmmm… maybe it will grow on me when I see one in the metal, but right now, I prefer the old Range Rover Sport looks wise
The exact opposite happened to me I liked it on the press photos but I actually found very bland a bulbous in real life
@@Thanos.m I saw a flat matt grey one with black pack and it looked dreadful…to square, dumpy, overweight and suited the man driving it perfectly..25 stone of used buns and burgers! The older car is far better.🙂
@@Thanos.m Same here. See one last week at Cars & Coffee in 22066 VA USA and it looked like a big fat rich kid. Dressed nicely, but you know he’ll never make the varsity team.
much prefer the previous model
In the age of EVs I don't think it's heavy enough to win in the arms race. It needs a few tons more in mass so inattentive text-messaging customers can think they won't hurt themselves when they plow into others.
😆True, true. The EQS is 2.7 tonnes, so this should be over 3 at least! May as well offer military tanks for sale to the public at this point...
plough
@@cliveramsbotty6077 rhymes with "cough"
A world beyond my ken where you can save £20,000 by buying a Range Rover slightly less than the réal deal but you are still parting with more than £100,000. Madness!
Everyones favourite uncle giving it some opposite lock in a block of flats 😂
What's wrong with round dials, Harry? They are far easier to read than digital figures; a quick glance is all that is needed to see the angle of a needle rather than looking at figures which can be misread.
I at the other end of the scale, give me a digital speed readout, way easier than working out if iam doing 32mph (no ticket) or 36mph (possible ticket) every time.
@@brianiswrong Exactly! Digital speedo is infinitely better for sure. I had a car with a tiny digital speedo you could call up on the on board computer as well as the traditional big analog speedo, and I'd always use the tiny digital one as it's more precise and easier to read. Hell, I'll rather use Waze on my phone to see my speed than an analog speedometer!
Optimum is a big analog rev counter and a big digital speedo reading in the middle of it / below it.
Agree. Many modern dashboards still have round dials and a little digital screen that you can make show a readout of speed as well
@crazyfroggie6546 that's the best solution IMO. Nice traditional round dials, like a watch face, but with a digital for convenience.
@@brianiswrong Why not just stick to the 30mph limit and then you know you won't get a ticket!
I love the reviews given by Harry he is honest and real in his presentation if he doesn’t like something in the vehicle or he thinks it’s unnecessary he will tell us good on ya Harry .
I’m surprised on the round dials comment too from yourself? That’s one thing I’d leave in modern cars and have the screens around them, so easy and clear to read.
These are now Sunseekers for the road. Land yachts. I know they can theoretically wade 900mm, have approach and departure angles far superior to your Qashqais etc, but most of these are bought because people like BIG cars, premium 'high-up' vehicles, and cars that demonstrate wealth.
Most definitely! Love sunseekers. Perfect comparison
What on earth is wrong with round dials?
Harry wants to re invent the wheel lol
Oh dear, too big to park, too expensive, 70's slabby front end. These SUV's are now silly. Thanks for the video, will give these a wide berth.
. . . you'll need a very wide berth!
Harry, Land Rover should remain 100% “hooked” on its off road capability. It’s their USP and is amazing
Well said sir.
Still struggles in snow 🤣
Proof:
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@@brunoultra7215 you’re not doing it right lad! 😂
I personally prefer the look of the Sport to the new full-fat RR, especially the rear lights. But then taste is a personal thing and I also like round dials as the default for the driver display. As for the 'handbrake', it works so seemlessly in its normal automatic mode I've never even looked for it.
Range Rover Lite maybe? I think it looks ok, looks on the inside also like a nice place to travel. Very glad they've dropped the damn seven seat option which totally ruins the space and practicality of many of it's rival, spare wheel even though a space saver is a massive improvement on a tin of hit and miss foam! Two and a half tons virtually is completely baffling, almost the same as a Luton van! Great review Harry. Despite you and many of us being LR fans would be very interesting if you could grab an Ineos Grenadier for a jaunt! Cheers.
"Range Rover Lite Maybe" ? It's 2.5 Metric Tons!
@@theloneranger2101 The prize for mis-use of the word "Sport" definitely goes to JLR!
It feels a bit like the first pass at the Range Rover redesign, but they saw upcoming competitors and decided it wasn't special enough, so they just made it the new Sport instead.
?? What’s wrong with the prior gen’s 3rd row option when it comes to space?
great review again Harry but I hate the false vents, lack of real switches, over- sized wheels and tyres and the sheer size and price of it.
@Official_Harrygarage Get a real job
Thanks Harry, interesting review. Can you try and do one with one of the new PHEV powertrains on either the full fat Rangy or the Sport? Interested to see how this new one would compare with your Range Rover
The rear looks poor, what is that small cut out for the hidden exhaust, it's not befitting of a 100,000 grand car.
Still got the dual shark fin aerials on the roof. From Halfords in the 1990's
It's hideous! 😨 🤢 And buttons are GOOD because they allow you to press and know the function is selected, enabling to do this while concentrating on the road. Touch screens with huge menus are BAD for the same reason...Hate the car 👎 but love the content Harry! 👍🏻
Couldn't agree more - I've done 57k in my SQ7 now - the screens in it are not suitable for road cars, they are totally ridiculous and dangerous, like using a smart phone.
It has haptic feedback and a lot of functions are switches or knobs below or on the steering wheel.., or voice
@@Holloweve The haptic feedback is irrelevant and doesn't help - because the problem is in pressing the right part of the screen in the first place, which demands too much concentration and distraction from the road. With proper buttons I can make adjustments often just by feel.
@@Holloweve ...Ooof! 😒
@@highlandmalt6368 Ni, I have the Q8 which has identical screens and have no problem. The AC is set on auto and even with our temps ranging from 3 - 40+ degrees heat in Cyprus, gets touched about twice a year, unless I use “I’m too hot / cold” voice command. The nav is set at the start of trip when not moving, music doesn’t change much once I’ve started a trip, and I guess I’m like many and stick to the same radio station. Volume is on the wheel anyway and phone controls are in the thumb controlled virtual cockpit screen which is brilliant and has been for years.
I’m genuinely interested what it is people are doing to be constantly messing about with touchscreens. Most of the commands are set up screens rather than on the move. Interested to hear how you use the MMI.
About as attractive as a house brick…
Totally agrees. It’s 2.5 tonnes of turd.
Agreed. I hate every single angle, especially the rear which is so damn bluff.
In contrast - I love it!
Not really
On my 3rd RRS. Absolutely love them. The full size way too big. Love the sporty feel. Tightness of drive. Speed. Look. Feel. Also have a velar for the wife. She loves it!!! After 4 RR only had one small issue electrical with the control unit. Quick repair. Other than that oil changes every 3500 miles. Use 0w-30 only. Change Drain and fill transmission fluid at 40k.
Have had a fantastic experience always.
Will get the new RRS on second or third year always just to have them work
Out any kinks.
Thank you Harry! Love the videos! On this one I prefer the Sport! Thank you 🙏
Thanks for this I’ve been looking for one to replace my cayenne….went electric blue svr. Superb!!
Does anyone think Range Rover have bothered to make the UK's most unreliable car more reliable ?
would be an improvement to get it off the bottom of the list of most unreliable cars from 0 to 3 years old
There was a recent report that their yearly warrenty claims and repairs under warrenty went down from £1.2 billion to £800mil. So progress is being made, albeit slowly.
Still the worst reliability scores in the industry.
They sell cars to people that upgrade to the next one every year or sell em soon after what’s the point! 😂
@@Jeffgordonfan24hesthegoat second and third owners id say
@@deenoc3622 porsche were worst last year in reliability.
@@Jeffgordonfan24hesthegoat and that's why they're unreliable. Nobody really keeps up the maintenance
The front and rear look odd. Not awful but not quite right.
The front has the lights being to skinny and then a wide empty bumper before the lower part with another bumper and the number plate looking like it’s slid down the car.
The back again the plate is too low the tailgate curves round with no bumper or any sort of styling
hi harry another great review . cars are getting so expensive honestly do you really think the price of that range rover is worth it ? keep up the good work ,
Brilliant review Harry. Thanks
Nice. So I’m guessing the top of the range has the option of fitting tank tracks and a turret and for an extra £50000 you can add and extra 3 tonnes for stabilisation and plough through all the other peasants on the road.
No, this is Land Rover. £50'000 is far too reasonable a price tag for that option. I think they want £250'000 for that :)
No,that's Tesla model X you're talking about.
Hi Harry, from New Zealand. Love your reviews - many thanks.
I have been waiting for this video thank you Harry really enjoy your videos thank you i like the front but shame about the rear and when you open the boot in the winter your hands will be muddy and you will have to keep cleaning the reg
Didnt think 2.5t was much different to the previous generations so a quick root around on the web suggests L320 was 2460 to 2645kg, 2nd generation was around 200 kilos lighter.
A friend recently weighed their 2005 defender 110 td5 station wagon at 2.125!
Those were body on frame. That's where the weight came from. This new one didn't return to a frame, so an on frame equivalent/version of it would probably be 3 tonnes.
Great video,as always. Thank you Harry. I really like the styling of these new Range Rovers,both the Sport and the full size model. Very stylish SUV to my eyes.
It just represents all that is wrong with this world, it says or shouts that the owner does not give a dam about anyone or anything outside, nor do they really know what to do with there cash!
And it looks so angry from the front.
( also noted, H didn’t take it off road)
Couldn't agree more.
As a rrs owner,I can tell you,you couldn’t be more wrong.plz don’t tar everyone with the same brush
How big are cars going to get until they start to reduce in size again. Crazy.
The maddest thing is the trend started in America where at least the roads have room. What the heck do you do in thing like this in the UK when Waze takes you down one of those 5 foot wide country lanes it loves so much?
Don't worry, if the forced transition to EVs is allowed to continue then in less than a decade most people won't even be able to own a car anyway.
@@bergeracvandamme Oooh, edgy!
oddly how we are changing to EVs these vehicles will weigh in at 3 tons + with carbon foot prints as big has Bigfoot lol
Excellent review, I totally agree, and yet my neighbour has one on his drive and I have to admit, it looks rather good!
I was waiting for you to review the new sport. This is cause your reviews are always THE BEST. Please carry on doing reviews of premium cars.
not just premium, I would watch Harry review pretty much any car
@@Hali88 True
Whe you say "premium" do you mean "cars only the 1% can afford"?
@@DidesCharlie Yeah basically. When they’re used, premium cars like this will be a lot cheaper
Thx for your review & opinion Harry
from Africa, kenya and love the reviews
Automotive equivalent of designer sports gear.
I quite like round dials Harry 😊
Saw one the other day in a showroom next to an Evoque, the back end is virtually identical shape just bigger.
As a matter of interest I once weighed my Range Rover L322 TD6 that tipped the scales at 2760kg
This video is getting amazing views, well done Harry
I hate the false stuff manufacturers put in their cars. At the front especially, let make the car have more drag and add weight. The material on the doors, great to clean once your kids have got there sticky hands on it.
Def change the tyres first. Front spoiler is no no for me too.
I still love found dials. I don’t need a tachometer though. I don’t believe anyone uses them.
My problem with the flatscreen is it’s like it’s added on rather than in the dash.
We all know Range Rover and sport don’t go together.
Saw one in the flesh one day. I have to say I prefer the look of the past two generations more than the new one. Also, the MSRP of this gen is much higher than the last one. (At least in Canada, 3.0 SE is about the same price as MY19 5.0 SC HSE)
Stay clear of British made cars. The most unreliable in the world.
Complete garbage.
@@paddymuppy Knock on British Aluminium. No issue so far.
Awesome video by Harry but this is a total chav footballers car driven by houses wives in gym gear ! Fake air vents and fake noise says it all !
You're probably correct but as that is the demographic who have the money the marketing department style it to sell to them. Would you make the design unappealing to its core market?
@@frankcooper7223 Can’t argue with that answer Frank ! I would take a Defender over the Sport !
Another cracker - thanks Harry. Love the honesty. It does look like a confused dogs dinner.
The "mini-boot" is a nice touch. I'd love to find something functionally similar (ie, fold-away when not in use) for my vehicle.
I use a banana box, free from Tesco, all in I've saved about £98k I think
Volvo have been doing it for years 😉
@@hectorkidds9840 Hector, he said ‘foldaway!’ You’ll need to add some hinges to the banana box and deduct a few pennies 😮
There's all sorts of wonderful things you can buy in any decent car accessory establishment
They copied the Qashqai!
Pretty much sums up the issues I have with JLR products at the moment. They all seem a bit bloated, expensive and want to occupy the same piece of the market.
I love my Defender! Great review as always!!
Thanks Harry, i think it's getting to close to the regular RR in price, i have never liked the silly half windows.
I’m sorry, but what is the matter with the designers? I like the front splitter (well splitter-esque, at least) piece of equipment and the vents on the hood and the sides. But do they really have to be just for decoration? Would it have killed them to make them functional? I mean, that’s always been a pet peeve of mine to see things like that or exhaust pipes being purely for decoration.
I have never understood why car designers ,design a dummy vent (especially in or around the font grill) and not either have it body colour and solid, or black and add a couple of small (useless if you like) to atleast look functional.
Do you like burning more fuel or not?
Open vents = drag
Yes, I'm with you, and can we just talk about the rear as well? It's just a lump of tall, boxy metal with nothing really going for it. You'd think it were a van if it didn't have Range Rover written on it!
Keep in mind that many of Range Rover's customers have lots of fake bits attached to them, too.
What is dumber? Fake vents or people complaining about fake vents?
If the Range Rover sport is 2.5ton, how heavy is a standard Range Rover. Great video ‘H’ 👍🏻😀
Good analysis and review Harry. 👍
So is my Stelvio ( 2.0t 280hp) measured at 64db at 70mph on summer tires, so what is so "plush" and superior about this RR, other that is atrociously overpriced?
had a Range Rover svr from new 2 years old now , was thinking about buying the new one , but after driving the jaguar f pace svr drives way better sounds amazing so ive ordered one yesterday in black . :))
You're enjoy next week's video then. You made the right choice..
@@harrysgarage can't wait , maybe you can help me with the spec , think ive got it right black ,heads up display , tow bar for my bikes
Have a Defender D300 and have the same issues with the sound - it's sounds good, but also a little weird "artificial"...
Excellent as always, Ineos Grenadier test?
I would be interested to find out what the cost of all the electronics are, also the weight of them in the 2.5 tons! Other than the electronic fuel injection could it perform just as well if all the electronics were manually controlled! This looks almost as big as an Escalade!
Thanks Harry for the great content!😊
Nice video Harry.
I think it's a bit bland looking 👍
Hey Mr. M. You could use that boot thingy as a bit of a seatie if you get after market cushions. That’s what I’d do anyway.
I’m with you on the rear lights, I just think of discovery sport when I see them, where as the Rangerovers lights look great. And special.
Interesting review. It sort of feels like RRS has lost its way a bit. The styling is a bit of a mishmash, it's put on weight so has comprised the handling, and has lost some of its edge compared to full fat RR.
Bit like my missus then
I don't agree with you about round dials. They are so much easier to read at a glance. If it ain't broke......
Nice review Harry! Thumbs up! But i expected you will test the P510e to compare with the BMW X5 45e? Perhaps later?😊
100% agree
love that you talked about the digital motor sound at 1337 o'clock.
So your conclusion here is either full-size Range Rover or Defender Harry. What changed your mind in the interim to now get a Sport as you have done?
I’ve been waited patiently for this review.
I have driven one and do agree with your summary.
I was expecting you to love it.
I’d be interested to here your thoughts on the P440e given how well you got on with the X5 45e
The X5 is still miles ahead. Only Volvo come close to it in terms of hybrid ability.
At 16.30 as the car comes towards you why are there no running lights on? Land Rover electrics already?
Great video H. For me I've owned and always loved the big V8 Classic petrol RR or later l322 TDV8.
Great video! A friend, who has a business called Harry’s, ordered one in Firenza Red. Which, I’m certain this one is, but he has 22k of options 😳a P430, hybrid Autobiography. When I told a Facebook friend who works at a Range Rover dealership, she said, ‘that’s nothing. A bloke came in last week and order 2 Range Rovers, for £200k each’ 😳
If you go in the configurator, there isn’t £20k of options available as they are fully loaded. What did he get for £20k, a butler?
@@jak493 I struggled to get the full list of 22k out of him, in front of his partner, who is horrified, but the last 5 grand of 22k, I think was SEVEN point FIVE k, of wheels. No wonder, Kahn, Revere, Urban, and Overfinch have found a market 😂I got to 17k, of what he said, and then had to fudge the last 5k with the wheel options 😳
Can't fault your logic Mr. Metcalfe, 100k for a Sport? Nope. Great video
Love your videos @harrysgarage but please, please, please adjust your Goodwood festival posters so that they are all hanging at the same height!!!!
Will gladly pop round to rectify if you wish 😅
They should start taxing based on weight as well! I can imagine the stress on the road surface when this tanks hits the breaks at 130kmh+
I like the new RR Sport. We test drove one last week (looking at the engine performance for RR purchase, and the demonstrator Sport had the engine we are considering), and I was very pleasantly surprised by the Sport in general. Didn't feel as heavy as it is in terms of handling.
Hello have you been listed on my inventory?
I’ve just taken delivery of my Range Rover 2023, tried the sport but get the bigger one it’s much better. Prefer it over my new defender
rich suburban moms gonna love this 😂
The Discovery 2 with the 7 seat option was already 2.3 tons, but I get where you're going. They should be getting lighter.
Great video Harry, hate to say it prefer the looks of the Velor.
There seems to be a race to make a 3 ton car.
Hideous thing.
The front looks okay but the back is a mess
I agree. The back looks like a Mitsubishi SUV 😳
seems like a chunky boy, hopefully that means it's capable off road now it's not just a tall focus! any guesses why the passenger seat belt was clipped in, was something sat in the seat that made the seatbelt alarm come on?
Could you review the SVR version when that comes out? Since this is not that dynamic and fun as you mentioned, perhaps the SVR will offer everything that's missing on this version with it's BMW V8/etc....
Ask a pilot why round dials are easy to read, and then you'll know why they use them. Great review thanks.
Love the channel Harry, I like the Range Rover S but it’s just too expensive, I test drove a 2022 but found the Audi Q7 better value, equal or better ride and although slightly slower 0-60 fast enough. Additionally the Q7 has the 7 seats which is ideal with 3 kids.
Keep up the great work and happy new year 👍
More of an estate car though
@@paulmcgee1867 BS
Q7 will also be way more reliable and better quality over time. Good choice.
@@kraenk12 so you have not noticed 🤣
We have a 2020 RR Sport with 13k miles and a slow, undiagnosed, radiator fluid leak and there’s a 2+ month wait for service at every dealership in Michigan.
How come front daylight running lights are not on?
Starting price for this model is 187k here in Ireland. A fine family car for the average Joe 😅
Even if you are in the top 1% it is kind of a lot.
So it's spacious and good for long journeys. If I had six figures, I'd be looking at something else. The V8 sound piped in, borders on the ludicrous...
That really made me laugh. The car is extremely quiet so they pipe faux V8 noise in. Really?
I wonder what this car would have been like on smaller wheels with a bit more tyre. I had a CMax. I hated the drive. It had overly large wheels with silly profile tyres. Also a rundown of the prices of the range would have been useful
Why don't manufacturers put a sliding vertical divider or bar in the boot? Fake vents - good luck keeping those clean. What happens when the all glass cockpits go dark or get damaged? How much will that cost to fix?
What’s happening with the Farm videos Harry? Getting agri-twitchy here….
Do they have secret compartments to stash the drugs?
Nothing wrong with round dials.. I always try out the options on the digital dashes of the various cars I drive, but guess which one I always end up going back to.... Just easy to read at a glance.
Great video as ever…..but no field test..🤨….I know, I know, it would probably cause too much damage to the grass, given the conditions
Interesting and informative video, as usual. Re. the price tax of 100k+, from where I'm sitting that looks like a bargain. It's presently impossible to find a Sport on offer in Europe for less than 200k Euro, which is a lot more than 100k sterling! 😞
I bought my 1800 sq foot home for $75k.....a fraction of what this car costs....to most people...over $100,000 pounds is a lot to spend on a ride.
Really not sure about it but still get excited when i see one like a new Porsche or something!
Also please review that F50 already wondered if it came with the shoes!?
that screen looks like an afterthought lol
7:50 - Some idle musing on the 'round dial versus square screen' display issue... There's a split-second data-recognition advantage in having round dials/circular displays.
When our eyes see a dial, the information is either centred (digital display in the middle) or positional (needle pointing to known numeral locations around the face). A circle naturally guides the mind to what's important. We don't need to think about where to look - we just react to what we're being 'forced' to see.
Wristwatches usually have round faces with analogue hands. We see the time - instantly - we don't read it. A digital display, however, requires thought. Seeing the time instead of reading it is the equivalent of learned muscle-memory when playing guitar chords. The shapes just happen, faster than you can think.
On a car dashboard that means our eyes focus instantly on the required data in the circle before flicking back to the road.
With a rectangular display - especially a digital screen - we're conditioned to see it as a page. Childhood conditioning runs deep. However limited the amount of data on show, we can't help but concentrate on checking everything, starting from the top-left corner just in case there's something new.
In guitar terms, it's like having to think, "First finger goes here... Second finger, there; third goes over there..."
That's way too slow for rock 'n' roll.
Glancing at a modern car's rectangular digital speedo, even when we know that there's no more than a speed in mph to be seen, we naturally spend an extra tiny fraction of a second checking the rest of the 'page' for fresh information.
We can't help it. It's how we were raised.
A few microseconds may seem unimportant, but in this instance, thinking is bad. Thinking of where to look takes our focus off the really important part of what we're doing, which is driving. In traffic. Surrounded by idiots. Idiots who are also thinking about the wrong things, rather than relying on their faster-than-thought reflexes to respond to the right ones.
Yes, the time differences involved are ridiculously small, but they exist. Today's drivers have more than enough distractions already - countless gadgets and toys, controls and settings, touch-screens, digital navigation maps, media menus, phones - and they're being operated from an air-conditioned, heated armchair (with shiatsu massage function🙄) by a driver who's all warm and snug and cosy and probably barely awake.
So a round dial that takes less time to read than a square one is... good. A driver who prefers to take things easy, relax, slow everything down, take plenty of time to read the dashboard display(s) because it'd be rude not to is... bad.
Your views may differ...💩👀