Philosophy Feuds: Sartre vs Camus
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In the wake of Second World War, the French existentialists Jean-Paul Sartre and Albert Camus were close friends. They drank and argued together, often spending long nights out on the town. All around them, Paris was being rebuilt. Through their writing, Sartre and Camus hoped to guide this new France toward a more equitable future. They became celebrities, their every movement reported in the newspapers. But it was not to last. In 1952 they fell out bitterly. The disagreement between Camus and Sartre became the philosophical feud of the century. Why did it happen? And how could two such close friends become such unforgiving enemies?
Camus versus Sartre is the first instalment of ‘Philosophy Feuds’, Aeon’s original series of short animations, each of which tells the story of a famous - or not so famous - spat, break-up, falling-out or fracas. More than just revealing the hilarious and all-too-human pettiness of the world’s greatest thinkers, ‘Philosophy Feuds’ is about the fascinating ideas behind each of these rifts - and how these ideas continue to matter today.
Read an accompanying Aeon Idea on the feud by Sam Dresser: aeon.co/ideas/...
Director & Animator: Andrew Khosravani
Producer: Kellen Quinn
Writer: Sam Dresser
Sound designer: Eli Cohn
Narrator: Travis Brecher
Additional Illustration: Rafa Court
Music: 8th and Fitzwater by Pond5
#philosophy #Satre #Camus #existentialism
First of all, Camus never considered himself an existentialist- although his novel The Stranger and The Myth of Sisyphus are still considered as existentialist classics- he denied any pigeon-holing titles. Sartre, on the other hand, accepted the title and considered himself as an existentialist. The idea that Sartre's famous quote "Hell is other people" implements his disgust against humanity is completely absurd, Sartre's outlook steeped with individualism changed course after the Second world war and he started focusing on the idea of intersubjectivity, and this can be clarified in his famous quote "that in choosing for himself [man] chooses for all men”
In Sartre's play 'NO EXIT' the main character voices the comment 'hell is other people' but do we know that this is what Jean Paul felt too?
At times we all feel this one but it is toxic and impossible to lead a decent life holding onto to so much anger and poisonous thoughts.
Sometimes you have to look at others and know that they are doing the best that they can. Or else one will give into bitterness and be a sour apple 24/7.
in choosing for himself man chooses for all men. how stupid can you get and who is promoting your "greatness"?
No, he was very much an individualist, and while I do think "disgust against humanity" is indeed an absurd characterization of his beliefs, he was very much cynical, hence the "Hell is other people" quote. This is also evidenced by his chapter in "Being and Nothingness" where he discusses intersubjectivity not as "being-with," as Heidegger had, but as "being-for"; in other words, relationships are never mutual because they are constituted by objectification: Another person exists because I see them, i.e., they exist for me, and likewise, I exist because they see me, I exist for them, and this results in competition.
You are also misinterpreting that last quote-"that in choosing for himself [man] chooses for all men”-by not including its context. He did not mean it in any philanthropic way; in fact, that statement remains very much individualistic: It means that every time I as an individual make a choice, I am setting a precedent for others; if I am able to do this, then so should others. So it's not about being obligated to others; it is a matter of thinking about universality.
actually, no, in choosing for himself man does not choose for all men. not by a long shot.
Someone took tenth grade English....
This is the greatest animation I have seen in years. Holy moley.
True , I totally agree
Check Ted ed
My 2 favourite philosophers, Sarch and Camuu
🤣🤣
*Sarcha
This vid completely misinterpreted "Hell is other people" from No Exit. Unfortunate.
Technically, you're right. But practically . . . it comes to the same thing. The "Hell" is in what other people remind us about the radically free nature of our own consciousness. But the fact still remains that it is THEY who are doing the reminding . . .
It's not just that they remind us of the radical freedom of consciousness. Sartre developed a sort of "theory of recognition" from this that started with the "Being-For-Others" section in Being and Nothingness, which basically says that since we have to live in the world with others, we have to accept that they will see us as 'things-in-themselves' (i.e. as having a fixed identity, or fixed characteristics) - they confer recognition on us through a mechanism of profiling. The statement in No Exit was supposed to be sort of ironic - that, hell being other people, the Other is inescapable (like the characters in No Exit could not escape each other), and therefore there is little use in trying to 'escape'people - we need to find ways of struggling against the fixation tendency that comes from being in the world with others. This is a very powerful statement, and testament to our freedom in a positive sense, and not some doom-and-gloom, hipster-esque, people-hating statement that is portrayed in the animation.
@@QED_ The point that Sartre makes with this quote is that people have a big tendency to torture and terrorize each other...have you noticed this trait in humanity? I have big time.
@@alisonbrady182 Damn, well written...bravo!!!
"Sartre's lover offered to sleep with Camus, but what displeased Sartre was that Camus turned her down, not that she had offered in the first place" what ?
French culture my friend
I think they had an open relationship, or polylove or something like thar
winnie the fool Both Sartre and Simone have been sleeping around with other people and encouraged each other to do so. Welcome in France.
I've got the other theory.
When Camus refused, Sartre took it as a pity he's showing on him, that definitely would've hurt his self-pride
0 nul perhaps Satre thought she offered to Camus, but it was merely a rumour.
"John Paul Sarch"
Jon Sebastian not to be confused with Jean Paul Startch
Albert Camel
Virgin Sartre vs Chad Camus
Both of them were Adonis compared to Nietzsche.
The creepy part of the comment is that it isn't edited...This comment is way ahead of its time
Sartre had nine lovers at the end of his life, so...
@@mariochartouni Right? Did this meme even exist then? lmao
@@woah3108 exactly its creeping me out i also saw a comment about chad camus on school of life channel and it was made 4 years ago.
Great animation, serious misconceptions.
What misconceptions?
@@emmym9276 Sartre Quote about other people being hell is completely misinterpreted and removed from context, that's one point.
@@emmym9276 The grave misconception that is Camus is an existentialist. He is not.
No
no
no
wtf
No the breakup was literally just satre thinking the USSR still had potential to become fully revolutionary, while camus thought only anarchism offered that chance
How interesting (though not surprising) that de Beauvoir is labelled only as 'Sartre's lover', not recognising the immense influence she had on him, the fact that they wrote almost everything together, debated together, proof-read and gave advice to each other on everything they wrote, and despite the fact that she was a hugely accomplished writer and philosopher in her own right on top of that. The second sex, indeed...
I'd like to see a video about de Beauvoir where Sartre is casually played off as her 'lover'
For real, de Beau was the best
Sartre was ugly and Camus was handsome...he used to drive a Citroen around Paris and he wore a cream colored raincoat and he bore a bit of a resemblance to Humphrey Bogart (but better looking). Camus also won the nobel prize for literature before Sartre which probably irked Jean Paul also...professional jealousy...
@@johnnypastrana6727 That is absolutely ridiculous. Sartre was jealous because Camus was handsome? And that's professional jealousy, right? Because they were in the profession of being good looking (or not)? Gimme a break. Don't you think they both had other achievements worth celebrating besides their looks (or lack of)? Also, Sartre turned down the Noble Prize on two separate occasions.
You forgot hunted young virgin girls together. Look it up.
Camus said "We opposed Hitler's camps, so we must oppose Stalin's camps as well." But Sartre said "No, we have to give the people hope." But he changed his tune in the late 1960s, after the SOveit Union crushed the Prauge Spring, during which young Checks pushed for "Spcialism with a human Face." After that, Sartre identified himself as an Anarchist. But by this time, he was pretty much out of the public eye, so few people noticed, and he is generaly still thought of as a Communist, in the Soviet sense, which is a shame.
Fuck Nikita Khrushchev.
Opinunate ted
*Czechs :'D
I am ftom Poland which army has been crushing this Prague revolution and honestly I have found it out recently, nobody is talking about it even though in Polamd we talk about history a lot in public sphere. But 3rd Republic of Poland is seen as a completly different entity in political scene than Peoples Republic of Poland, sinve it was a satellite state...
A shame that he was thought of as such, or that he was a fucking commie? Never trust a Frenchman nor a Communist and most certainly not a French Communist ffs.
Anyone interested in this should read “The Mandarins” by De Beauvoir. It was published as fiction but considered by many to be a detailed account of the lives of Camus and Sartre, as well as their relationship and disputes, among many other characters of the same circle, during the aftermath of WWII. One of the most deeply entertaining books I’ve read this year.
Absolutely phenomenal animation, and an insightful story to complement its beauty as well!
And John-Paul Sarrrrcchhhh.
Not very fair to Sartre.
Sarah Akin I agree He does oversimplify Sartre but Sartre was on the wrong side of history Fine philosophical mind but wrong with his Marxist vision
@@veronicacolucci4082 In Sartre's old age, he hung out with radical Maoists...nah, Jean Paul's actions don't say much for him IMO.
True, this channel doesn't seem to show genuine respect to the men or their works.
Sartre was not fair to Camus.
Outstanding presentation. And I particularly love Camus' "The Plague." I am particularly taken by his love of Simone Weil, who he called 'the only great spirit of our age.' In The Plague, a priest preaches two sermons. The first is condemning, blaming the plague on the sins of the people. Later, he preaches again with a different heart. That sermon (and the priest's life thereafter) is Camus' great (and sympathetic) commentary on the thought of Weil. Before receiving his Nobel Prize, Camus went to any apartment previously occupied by Weil and meditated for 30 min.
One issue I wonder about in the video is the assumption (by the narrator or by Camus?) that individualism is more humanistic than some form of the greater good. It's obvious so in the case of Stalinism, but in modern 'freedom'-loving nations, individual rights and freedoms tend to trump the greater good in ways that put the most vulnerable (who get in the way of my rights and freedoms) in danger of being trampled. A notion of commonweal seems to take that into account and protects humanism from the individual's will to power.
I see your point but it appears individualism is perhaps the only answer to a humanistic outlook. Just look at history to see all 'greater goods' that aren't founded on the principle of individual freedom end up becoming oppressive and tyrannical.
asderc1
USA is marketing itself as being "founded on principle of individual freedom" but it is oppressive and tyrannical (just not always towards it's citizens but that also happens)
An “outstanding presentation?” Non! It was misinformed, and sophomoric.
this portrays Satre in a really terrible light
Nobody:
Sartre: “How dare you not sleep with my wife!”
Camus was not an existentialist. He was an absurdist, read any line of Camus and you will know. This video does disservice to what Camus stood and still stands for. Moreover Camus patently rejected murder on all but one condition, the kind commited by Kalyayev, read "The Rebel".
In the video, the narrator mentions this...look at it again.
Sartre was not a "resistant". He went in vacation with Mussolini's tickets during the occupation.
Sartre has writings I related to in my early 20’s. Both had lovers and pain. Camus is darker to read so I did not. They were less communicative Times. Starting to enable categories of feelings during industrialization . I’m not aware how either felt about socrotes. The Beatles...
This is so superficial, it is so much deeper than that and you can't say that somebody didn't believe in something with a quote aka "hell is other people"
Camus had lived in very real world of the Resistance
The video leaves out the very important political difference between the two over the French-Algerian War. Sartre supported the fight of the Algerians to free themselves from colonial rule by France, while Camus supported the continued French rule. They both had political flaws, to be sure, but Camus gave up all of his progressive ideas to become a liberal, while Sartre continued to move leftwards and try to learn, as best he could at least, from his past mistakes. All that said, they are both important thinkers and both worth reading and pondering.
Arthur Maglin camus didnt support the freedom of Algerian because he was worried the situations in Algeria getting worse because of the war while his mother still lives there. Thus one of his famous word where he said that between justice and my mother, i choose my mother.
@@Serat27 That is a too literal reading. His point is that he did not see the cause of Algerian independence as important to sacrafice the lives of civilians. To him, Algeria could be free, but he would not have the violent struggle for it. However, that ended up being a support of the status quo, which was to colonial status. But he did not wish for it to remain; but he did not accept the bloodshed as justifiable. His full quote is
"People are now planting bombs in the tramways of Algiers. My mother might be on one of those tramways. If that is justice, then I prefer my mother."
This stands with his general outlook on humanity; no ideals are worth killing for. It is hypocritical to believe your ideals to be so noble that you will kill people for it.
So you misrepresent him as it was about "his mother". It was of course a part of it, but it was not his reason. I mean, that would suppose that if she moved, he could be all for it.
The fight for Algerian independence was arguably Camus's biggest shortcoming, but in fairness he had a personal stake in the matter. It's a shame he didn't live to see that war be resolved.
Sartre was at home with occupying Nazis as he was with Stalin purges. In fact he enjoyed wide popularity and little censorship from his Vichy/Nazi captors. Unlike Camus his resistance credentials are highly dubious.
great animation!
Yes, they must have had a lot of fun creating this . . .
You, sir/madam, just earned yourself a subscriber.
It's fairly disappointing imo that you only refer to Simone as Satre's spouse who tried to seduce Camus, rather than one of the great philosophers of her time herself, and a leader of second wave feminism.
He was probably my last great friend
top notch animation skills. Bravo.
Is nobody going to comment on this animation? Best artwork. Best animation. Who did this? Deserves awards.
We only learn the value of things when we lose it
There's no real value
Sartre was NOT in the Resistance, ( he could even be considered collaborationist) he created this myth. Camus was actively engaged in the Resistance.
"Camus had a more humanist out look" mate, Sartre has an essay called existentialism as a humanism. Really? Realllyyy?
I agree.
I noticed that too, seemed like the video had a bias to portrait Sartre as a lunatic fine with killing people, when in fact the opposite is true. They also didn't mention Camus book 'Resistance, Rebellion and Death' in which he expressed a more idealistic view of socialism and where he rejected 'maxist-leninist type of communism' for a sort of Anarcho-syndicalist perspective instead. This book sort of made the final split between the two.
Lugus But the humanism from Sartre doesn't talk about the value from the human as a society
have you read the essay? sartre is too much of an individualist. he takes pride on essentially becoming a being in our own and overlooked the instances that we would be living with others of different motives. with camus, he always situate the individual having to live with others. camus has, indeed, a more humanist outlook.
blinkeu nyeongan Humanist socialist, vs Sartre is existence of individual who reaches his own humanism
woefully misrepresented both of them, and massively played into misconceptions about the soviet union.
Camus was right
Eyes brimmed over with tears...
Eric Fromm famously said this very same thing, that: "We are condemned to be free".
The reality of a true terror, when standing at the edge of an ominous precipice, that there truly is nothing
that prevents you from throwing yourself off. Your 'choice' not to do
so - in an odd way, violates this tenet.
great animation!! and so informative, thank you so much for this
Amazing video and story!
Camus actually participated in the resistance, Sartre did not. Sartre was also popular with Vichy and the Nazi's getting plays and books greenlighted by the government. Not surprised the woke armchair philosopher was comfortable with Hitler and an apologist for Stalin.
Yeah, he was pretty much the prototype of the woke cūcks that are mass-produced today.
this is false
@@man-tk8mh Porquoi? Care to elaborate about the passive collaborator?
The real red pill is that Camus was a chad and Sartre was an incel
Camus was a Pied Noir. A French from Algeria.
Camus is an essayist
Sartre is a philosopher
According to the copy of 'L'homme révolté' I have (from the afterword by Oliver Todd), although Satre spoke well of Camus for his funeral, Satre actually continued to heavily criticise Camus afterwards.
very nice
Both are the Kohinoor diamonds to the modern philosophy!
Great video, but “John-Paul Sarch”, really?!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA and "simone de buvwar" smh
I have to mention that Camus was an Absurdist
Great video 🤩😅🥺
Whoaaaa…….hold on now Camu rejected Sartre’s Girl? Respect
Cool animations
Sartre will always be remembered as a traitor to USSR.
This channel is dope
Camu was french pied noir not algérian
i think they should’ve made out that would’ve fixed it
Thanks peace from Algeria
Please, enable closed captions! :)
You can turn subtitles on using the closed captions icon on the bottom right.
This is what I mean: support.google.com/youtube/answer/6054623?hl=en-GB
“Embrace the killing that came with communism” umm strawman much? Incredibly ridiculous claim that Sartre valued humans less, plus a quote pulled out of context.
literally Eren vs Armin to me
This vid could have been better with more specific details about the feud...
Reminds me of my brother.
Sarte was ethnically French, nor Algerian
Sartre was a pretentious, self-obsessed wealthy "Marxist" who adored the USSR and viewed society as institutions, not people (like most European intellectuals). Camus made his own way in life, growing up poor in a working class neighborhood without a father, and put people over institutions and academic theories. He was 10 times the artist that phony Sartre could ever be. Sartre was the quintessential poseur, a boring upper middle class professor who thought he was being cool and edgy by standing up for mass murderers and a brutal inhuman dogma that turns people into robots.
not quite
What would have made this video better woudl be Sartre's perspective on Camus' book "The Rebel". Essentially Camus criticized Communism not on it's beleifs on paper, but that revolution that goes beyond its boundaries is brutality. Sartre disagreed on this and was a peer reviewer of Camus' work. As Sartre put it" the Rebel is an aborted Great book". He also accussed Camus of being no more captive of history than anybody else, which is very fair. This whole video was by far....too oversimplified with key issues not fleshed out. I don't think this was as much as issue about de Bouvior, rather the two men's issues with communism and the Soviets' methods of employ of it.
Damn. Joseph McCarthy really did a number on people. Lol
Jean-Paul SARCH
this sounds like cold war era propaganda, good fucking job dude.
The narration is excellent; although the graphics are cognitively distracting.
uelude close your eyes
Loving this very Americanised version of communism being so evil and BADD omg how could he believe that not everyone should suffer at the hands of the rich!! The presentation was lovely though
This is definitely a drive-by shooting of Sartre's personality and politics. But since I think it's mostly justified . . . I'm delighted with it . BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(!)
We all come to terms with our own reality sooner or later in our lives.
The ones who believe in a deity will arrive into their ending with second thoughts of a wasted life and how much "good" was left to do in this world...
Others like these existentialist folks use their intellect all throughout their lives as an excuse to change their mind as their situation fluctuates.
We all humans have a funny way to decide what's good for everyone else but when confronted with the real world, the only mind we can change is our own.
Growing up I had an extrange attraction towards the socialist tendencies in the world.
As I became an "educated " person and worked my way through adult life, economic safety made me more of an individualist but, nowadays with this social uncertainty , most of us wish humanity had an universal plan.
The lack of a rigid and "fair " system set up by ALL US HUMANS has uncovered our unpreparedness for an apocalyptic scenario. The huge gap between the "haves " and the " have nots " is so evident right now that my instincts make me wish I was living in a more civilized world, a society with a better plan for all of us.
the debuevoir and sartre where in a open relationship way before she asked to sleep with camus
I wad thinking about their differences today. And leaning how alright sartre was with Stalin and the authoritarian perversion of communism just confirmed why I liked Camus more. Also the whole age of concent thing always weirded me out.
nooon mais non. pas starch
It was also about French colonialism; specifically, French Algeria. Sartre was against, Camus was for.
Having done ma master's thesis on Camus, I can assure you Camus was as anti-colonialist as they come. Only did he not condone the terrorism of anticolonialists, contrary to Sartre.
@@Premierpoteau That's very interesting. And not what I had previously gleaned. I'd be happy to stand corrected. Could you please link to an anti-colonialist tract/essay/article by Camus if that's possible? Thanks. [Edit: Without an actual piece of writing [non-fiction], I'm afraid I'm not assured.]
@@vampireducks1622 www.marianne.net/culture/le-vrai-camus
S'exprimant en octobre 1948 au cours d'entretiens avec Nicolas Chiaramonte, Camus, déjà patron de journal à l'heure des premiers stages et écrivain culte à l'heure des premiers brouillons, affirmait : « Les questions qui provoquent ma colère : le nationalisme, le colonialisme, l'injustice sociale et l'absurdité de l'Etat moderne. »
This is after a quick search, here you have a quote from Camus but I'll come back with things in writing
@@Premierpoteau An article about another writer's vindication or rehabilitaion of him is not exactly what I was hoping for. But thanks anyway, I appreciate the effort! And yes, there is at least that quote (though even there, I can't help wondering what exactly he meant by "natiionalisme", because of course in that period "nationalism" could refer to anti-colonialist national liberation struggles.)
@@vampireducks1622 The misconception (for me) about Camus being a colonialist stems, from what I know, from the fact that he didn't condone anti-colonialist terrorism, stating that if he had to choose between justice and his mother, he'd choose his mother. (His mother lived in Algeria). By this, he meant to say that he chooses the life of (real) people over (abstract) values, which means he cannot condone terrorism, even though he was an anti-colonialist (from what I know).
Sartre, on the other hand, collaborated with the Nazi regime, one could say (took a job in a high school as a teacher despite the fact that he knew the former teacher was fired for being a jew, wrote articles in a collabo journal, de Beauvoir worked for radio Vichy if I'm not mistaken) . I like this exchange, I'll reread stuff during summer and I'll get back to you with tangible quotes FROM Camus, if you like me to :) Similarly, I'm open to standing corrected (you'll notice English isn't my first language). Cheers
Holy shit...
Sarge?? SA-RA-TRE
Contradiction!
Por qué hacer este video tan falso??
I feel so sorry for english speaker trying to understand these two french philosophers. I'm a french canadian (québécois) who's found love in philosophy, and I feel blessed to really understand them (as much as I can of course), in their own words instead of in clumsy translation. If you are really interested about their apprehension of the world and their relation, go check some Michel Onfray's work (French postmodern philosopher that brings out to light the truth about both philosophers). I can tell you, Sartre is a fake ass and Camus was an example of humanity. The misleading legend that Sartre constructed on Camus' philosophy and aura's after his death is horrific. I respect all of y'all for being interested about the art of thinking and these pionieers of the universe of reason that is philosophy. I just suggest you to look beyond your own perception. Sartre and its surviving ideology isn't what you may think it is. Camus is a man of exellence. Long live its philosophy. Love to y'all!
Thank you for watching, and for the thoughtful comment, Felix
@@AeonVideo It's a pleasure, thanks to you for the video!
absolutely, Sartre was a collabo
Sartre was a vocal orthodox Marxist far past any reasonable ammount of time, every reasonable intellectual in the west knew full well that something had gone array in the Russia. He also justified political terrorism on the grounds that it was the proletariat reaction to the bourgeois.
After Stalin, Sartre embraced Maoists...
didn’t know camu was such a lib LOL
Yey
God those guys are nutjobs.
well, both camus and satre were had leftist/marxist values, stare was a stalinist, and i guess that was the difference in opinion. They both desired similar futures for society but satre seemed to believe that the means justified the end and camus valued individual human lives too much to agree with satre.
why is this completely wrong, thou?
“Cãmi” not “Cãmu”
Stalin was a terrible dictator but this video felt fine equating Communism with Stalinism. Perpetuating American ignorance on the terms.
It also falsely paints Sartre as a lunatic.
Stalinism is communism, because everything else about communism only exists in books.
Stree, that's some astonishing ignorance.
Stree : Leninism isn't communist at all. Lenin, trotsky, and stalin indirectly promoted state capitalism. If you are looking for true communist experiences, look at ukraine in the 1920ies, spain in the 1930ies, the paris commune in 1871, primitive communism, the rojava or chiapas.
Tamanwar: Spain in the 1930s (?) Come on, come on. The only good guys in 1930s Spain were anarchists . . .who then got exterminated by the Stalinists.
Yeah, I'm talking about the communist anarchists
poorly drawn false dichotomy that is misrepresented
Not communism but Stalinism*
this is pure, unfiltered McCarthyism. when will americans stop being delusional
An American dream... no insight..
Sartra was great but come on camus is god
History shows that Sartre was on the wrong side of it with his Marxist vision Incentive is key and cash is king In short, show me the money Sartre Camus was a rock star! I still enjoy reading both of them
Correction* killing comes from US bombs and misils.
How are you not gonna mention Camus’ support of colonialism?
Support? Do you mean hatred of?
Camus hated colonialism, its one of the main points of The Stranger
@@marsyasthesatyr yet he didn't want to fight it
Camus never was an existencialist.
ELIETE RODRIGUES You should probably start off by spelling "existentialist" right
Sartre wasn't an 'existencialist' either.
Absurdist.
Sartre is pronounced as SA-RT. The R is roughly pronounced not smooth. Please research thoroughly.
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