Watch Out For These RED FLAGS At Gaming Conventions...
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- Gamer Ahmer: Watch Out For These RED FLAGS At Gaming Conventions...
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Don't forget they let well known resellers in before the collectors and let them buy up all the good cheap stuff
This is my biggest complaint with the con experience. I had firsthand experience in Kentucky with finding the scraps left at a small con from a popular resale channel here
@@charleshollis7141 that's true. Mr. Wright way buys a table, not to sell but to get in early because they started cracking down on letting UA-camrs in ahead of time. So now there purchasing tables and bringing ZERO inventory just to get in early
And Mr. Wright way said he does it to see and talk to his fans.......😑
@@daveserlen6185 I can't stand Mr Wright Way
I was going to mention this too. We went to our first convention last year, traveled from Atlantic Canada to Southeast Game exchange. SEGE was an amazing experience and they did a phenomenal job. We were special guests and got in early BUT never even gave it a thought about buying games before the convention officially started. It felt gross seeing BIG Tubers scoop up all the deals to fill a store or for reselling. Had their entire trip paid for while ticket holder stood in line to get what was left. I know it's common practice BUT if you can't bring people to the events then you can't have an event.
Not having prices on things is probably my biggest peeve. While I love talking to people, I don't really want to waste my time asking or waiting for the vendor to either look up the price or call someone to verify. A great customer interaction is always being upfront with what you're selling your items for and not making your customer feel like they aren't important enough to offer a basic level of transparency. Unless it's a game I'm absolutely looking for, no prices on games means I'm usually moving on.
Oh I absolutely agree with that! Sometimes it takes too long and to be disappointed with the price too. It’s like a huge waste of time when I could be doing something more enjoyable.
Glad to see others calling out these tactics. At the end of the day, gaming is supposed to be fun.
I agree! There are so many fun events too. Just some things ruin others.
Im an "oldschool" collector. I bought most of my games over 20 years ago....... I'm looking to sell some off my collection, I'm just not interested anymore.......I'd be more than happy to sell to someone who is passionate about retro video-games. I will totally give someone a great deal as long as they are not a reseller......
Im interested! Been collecting for years now!
I would definitely be interested. Brandi filmed my collection just recently and did a terrific job. I had 13,700+ games then. I'd LOVE to see what you have available to sell.
Definitely curious to know what you have! Always looking to grow the collection!
I went to Too Many Games over the weekend and one table had a DS game that didn't have a price tag like the rest of their other games on the table but it had a dot sticker with "50" on it, so I held it up and said "is that the right price because the sticker is different from your other games?"
He goes "let me double check"...(Looks it up on his phone)..."that's actually supposed to be 55, thanks for bringing it to my attention" then proceeds to change the sticker price in front of me
I just walked away...like if it's not selling at 50 what makes you think it'll sell at 55?
That’s insane! Wild that someone would do that over $5
Usually what I do, is make a list of games that I want to get before the convention. About a few days before the convention, I go on Pricecharting and put the price next to each game in my list. So I know exactly right away if something is a good deal. I usually will never pay over Pricecharting value unless it is a SUPER clean copy
That's a great idea! Definitely smart to do!
I hate when the vender makes comments like “cmon man I have kids to feed” when you’re not sure if you want to buy something from them. That’s just not right. I also don’t like with certain conventions that won’t bring you out as a guest, so you spend your own money for ,gas,food,travel, hotel, ticket, then they try and get you to do videos for them or tell you what to shoot. They value their product but have 0 value for yours.
We BOTH know a vender like that
Yes that’s just insane. I don’t want to be guilted into something.
@@MrWrightWay YEP! And we BOTH won't buy from that seller either!
Really glad you touched on this subject! Part of the reason we go to conventions (or at least myself) is hopes that we will get a better deal than simply going to ebay or a local store. Yeah, not the case. Finding actual good deals on stuff at a convention in my limited experience is a needle in a haystack situation. I will stand there or walk off hoping they don't notice me and look up prices on things I'm interested in before I decide to walk back and continue looking.
Also 100% with you on the lack of pricing. I even have an actual store in my area (I'll say it, Capital Games in Gahanna OH. DGAF if they see this) who does not price the majority of their items. You have to ask about each and every one while they will sit there right in front of you and look up the price on ebay then mark it up 30-50% from there. They don't even attempt to hide the fact they're doing that either. That crap drives me absolutely mad.
That’s insane! That’s terrible! I hate when things aren’t priced.
And I’ve noticed that I’m finding more and more deals at conventions. Just have to look at a bunch of booths/tables and see where the best deals are. Certain “rare” items won’t have the best deals but a bunch will luckily.
But that’s really a shame
I agree no one should be ripping people off
Exactly!
Great job on the video! The resellers at conventions really do need a light shined on their practices, whether good or bad.
I totally agree! Thanks for watching!
Genuine heartfelt video talking about real stuff. I had a game not work when I went to play it a few days after the convention and that really sucks. It wasn't showing any damage, but I resurfaced it anyway and even then it wasn't perfect. Playable but not 100%. The only time I ever felt duped. But yeah I feel you on the shady booth tactics. Cheers
Thanks for watching! I definitely appreciate that. And absolutely! Just have to be mindful and look for those deals.
Typically… business or convention owners do not want to change because they like being the boss and do not want to give up any bit of control or use an idea from someone that “doesn’t matter”.
It’s one of the biggest reasons many of these people can never work for a company. They will always be the common denominator in the reason why “failure was someone else’s fault”😂.
Oh it’s wild! Thanks for watching and for the support.
Conventions are a good chunk of my collecting for the year. I almost never pay "ebay prices" because I know what I'm looking for and I have a good idea what the current fair market value is. I know a lot of people do not so this is great advice. Most game conventions that I attend I believe are fair in their pricing for what they offer. But as you mentioned, it's not just about finding cool things to buy and the activities offered, but the people you get to see and for me, many I see throughout the year I only see at these conventions. And I enjoy every second of it. I'm sure I will see you again at another convention or 2 yet again this year. Good video! Take care!
Absolutely! All great points. More than just shopping and finding those deals because you know what to look for. I love conventions and hope more continue to have enjoyable experiences. Some not so much.
Good stuff! I always try to bring a tool kit to open cartridges. Because you never know!
Exactly! That’s a great idea
Awesome video!! Thanks for voicing obvious concern, it needed to be clear apparently, I thank you.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching!
Same thing has gone on for years at Gun shows also. Most add $50 to each piece that was for sale downtown at the same local shop they run. One reason I don't go to any convention video game or other.
That’s insane! Definitely can still find deals though. Just have to look
I hate to see vendors trying to pass off games in very rough condition, games in damaged cases or even missing manuals still expecting market value prices.
I absolutely agree with this!
same goes for people at like flea markets
Thank you for calling out the ridicously overpriced games at these conventions. I own a complete Earthbound and it’s insane seeing some vendors ask upwards of like 5K for one. Same goes for other Snes games like the Wild Guns for 550 in the beginning of the video.
Fantastic video!
Oh it really is insane! I remember when that sky rocketed. And people still have it for those prices. It’s wild!
Been looking for a video like this, thank you!
Thank you! I appreciate you watching.
The thing is that where I live there are like no convention. Everything is in the big town. The town that the nearest of me doesn't have a convention, even though 15 thousands inhabitants are living there. Even in the biggest town near me with around 115 thousands inhabitants, there are like 1 convention in the year. Every convention in my country is in the capital.
I know what you mean. I'd love to go to more conventions, but most are 2 or so hours away or even further.
Yea that’s the issue for some people. Some require so much travel and extra fees for stay. Wish there were more all over and they were more reasonable for people.
Got tickets to a con this weekend. I’d be interested in hearing about any vendors you’ve had good experiences with and would buy from again.
It depends on which one. If it’s in PA then I love Cartridges Galore and some of the smaller tables. I try to move past some of the overpriced areas to find the reasonably priced ones. You can find those deals just have to sort through and stay patient.
would it happen to be.. idk TOOMANYGAMES in oaks
Thanks for the info! Yeah, it’s TooManyGames and my first time going. Bought the tickets before I heard about your experience. Gives me a bad vibe.. but I figure I should check it out at least once. Luckily it looks like there is more to do than buying games!
@@caz-iii oh absolutely! Just make the most of the experience and let me know how it goes. Maybe one day I’ll go back. There is plenty to do so get there early!
@@caz-iii ya i love the arcade and not all the vendors r bad... i know a few who r good guys and willing to toss ya a deal and sunday is the big try for discounts day
Lots of great advice from a convention veteran! I treat convention vendors just like I do at a game store or any seller really. Unless it’s a super rare item I am looking for I won’t pay over market value and if it’s a common item I typically will try to bundle a few things and get a deal. 🤙🏻
Yes! Bundle deals! Definitely a great way to get some additions into the collection!
Good points! I have actually been shocked by a few of the vendors I see at conventions. FILTHY STUFF.. I get having stuff like that you offer deals on but my word.. Something I try to do is give my card out and let them know if there are any issues. Like anything we are human and some things slip through the cracks.. I did a trade with a 3dsxl at game jam south.. Well certain games werent working . The guy contacted me and I put a new cart slot in for free and shipped it back.. Good video
I got screwed at a convention once and only once. It was my fault for not paying attention to a price of a game. I was trading in an expensive game and the guy traded me a game that he had marked for $100 but it was a $50 game. Meanwhile what i gave compared to what I got was overwhelmingly bad. I now have my App ready and know exactly the prices i need to make deals. I wont even go to overpriced people that raise prices to scam unsuspecting people.
That’s terrible! But that’s great that you are prepared now and are able to spot that. That’s what I’m not a fan of. People taking advantage of those that may not know. It’s insane!
Great video! Would love a Maryland Event.
Oh absolutely!
Excellent video and super valid points!
Yes! And Thanks for watching!
Very good video, i am hoping to be able to attend conventions next year and i agree i also don't like non priced games - a big issue i have seen with retro games stores to is they will change the price at the register also
Oh absolutely! And there are so many fun conventions! I really enjoy going to a bunch to meet up with people, find deals, and experience everything the convention offers.
$10.00 🕹 at $60.00 dollar price tag NOW there is something wrong with that shit , NOT COOL 😔. #GamerAhmer 👩🏻 putting some your bad ventors on blast 🤜🏻😵
Exactly! Definitely not cool!
I don't know how game stores think they can get away with not pricing their stuff. It just says your not going to find a deal, because their going to jack the price up on the spot.
Price your stuff and if the market fluctuates. You should still make a profit, and the studious buyer can still get below the market price. Make your money on Volume.
Buy a game low> price it at market value> market value goes up> customer gets a deal.
I agree!
These over. Prived games are around because people buying games not because they want play them but put them on s shelf because they are rare
I love the tip able bundling with your buddy! I've never tried that before
Yes! I’ve done that a few times and typically my buddy gets the item for free. 😂🤣 I still get the short end.
@@GamerAhmer can I be your buddy at SEGE!?! I could use some free stuff 😅
@@RNGGamerYT Bahaha! Let’s go!
What are some of the apps to search for game prices?
Some people use eBay sold, pricecharting, and those game eye collecting apps.
Great discussion video!! Some great tips to not get scammed!!Conventions are great!! But like anything else you need to be careful 👍
Absolutely!! Figured it would get people talking!
Good points! I try to bargain hunt and if I can’t get my price I just pass. I always check the inside circuit board of the game if it’s over $50🦎🦎
That’s smart!
Greetings from Pittsburgh!!!
Howdy!
Yep I had this happen to me in my last con 2 broken games that I now can't return nor can do anything with. Lost about $25 so thankfully they were cheaper games but still doesn't leave a good feeling.
Woah! That’s really terrible. I’m sorry that happened to you! :(
I hate to say it, but prices have put a big damper on cons for me. I feel like I can get much better deals on eBay these days if I’m patient
You can still find deals at conventions. Just have to look around and conventions offer so much more than just shopping.
@@GamerAhmer
Conventions also offer Free B.O. smells 🤢😅
Thank you!!!!! 🙏
Absolutely!
Some times price tags come off and people remove them. Ive vended before an had someone remove tags on me
That’s understandable but sometimes it’s every game at the tables. It’s hard to believe someone removed every tag. I’m ok with things like that. That is bound to happen.
@GamerAhmer I get that an I'd also like to say I know alot of vendors who increase price on certain games like Mario's and zdlda because if you don't store owners buy them all before customers. It's not just youtube resellers buying before the cons open
@@Gamer4hire1129 oh I absolutely agree with that! I’ve heard how vendors will buy things beforehand and mark them up at their own table. It’s crazy. No one puts the blame on them but only the UA-camrs.
@@GamerAhmer
That's common practice at flea markets
Well said! I have seen this time and time again. No prices on games and they sit there looking up each game individually. Sorry if you can't spend the 10 seconds to look up and price each game beforehand I will not do business with you. It should be a rule that everything for sale has a price on it.
Also the amount of games I saw that were grossly marked up was crazy.
The amount of people getting in early before the crowds and buying up huge amounts of games is what ticks me off. We drove over 6 hours to MGC only to see some youtubers in early with big boxes of games. I know money is money, but they should limit these people to 1 copy per person or something before the conventions open. And it's very disheartening to see a video later on of them buying out all the games so people like me that actually want to buy the game to play can't.
Oh I agree! I don’t want to waste time waiting around when there are so many other things to do with that time.
I can definitely see how that is frustrating too.
Thanks for those tips. I'll be going to SEGE in Greenville in a week so that'll be useful.
I can’t wait!! That’s one of my favorite conventions. I’ll be there too!
There was one dealer who had was selling this game i already told them to book for me it was selling for 25e but than they tried to raise the price to 30 just cause he noticed that the price chart has risen on it a bit since the last time he had it and i told him about and he reduced it again. You really need to keep an eye out on this stuff.
Oh wow! Absolutely! Have to pay attention to things!
this video made me not want to go to a con now... thanks for sharing.
There are plenty of great conventions out there. Some do these things so I wanted to warn people.
Your collection is insane
Thank you!
As a vendor and shop owner I do agree they shouldn't be overcharging in fact my prices are usually the lowest at most cons I attended it's kind of sad to see other vendors way overpricing I do understand the marking some stuff up because of how expensive it is if people don't know most big convention will charge us 1500 bucks for a 10×10 then we have to pay for electric employees if we have them and gas and hotel its expensive to vend now that said I do not mark up my games my prices will be the same at my store and booth I'm always trying to make it easier to game not harder.
That’s insane! I get money has to be made to cover the expenses but sometimes it’s just too much. Very crazy though.
@GamerAhmer Yes it's insane both ways that they overcharge us to even vend some times iv seen cons asking us 5k to vend and vendors marking them way above the need I understand mark up but yeah I agree with you if a game goes for 800 and they want 1500 that's not a mark up that's just gouging.
I went to 2 conventions were i live in Puerto Rico, is just funkos and overprice games
Woah! That’s crazy!
Well said Brandi! I hate how the games are never cleaned. I shouldn't have to pay top dollar and spend 30 minutes cleaning the game just to get it to work as it should.
Exactly! It’s crazy that people don’t test or clean things and sell it for top dollar as clean/tested.
No video game conventions in my state I have travel to Illinois go to one
Oh wow!
Good Lord did I just see Pokemon snap priced at $38??????? @ 2:03
What got my attention was $95 loose Super Metroid at 1:19. Prime example of price gouging.
Exactly!
🫶 Great Video, thank you Brandi
Thanks for watching!
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Resellers buying from resellers, that all it gonna be eventually. All the price markups are gonna alienate most of the people and that in turn will lead to more emulation.
I only collect for what i have nostalgia for from when i was a kid. I think along the lines of quality over quantity. But ya, that being said.. the future is all digital. Sad but true.
I’m definitely curious to see what things will be like in 5 years. It’s insane.
I always do research before going to these. So I know an average price for what I’m looking for
That’s smart!
Which convention do you think has been the best? In terms of doing the least shady stuff
There are so many great conventions. I share a bunch of videos on my experiences at them. One I’m going to next is Southeast Game Exchange (SEGE). It was my first ever convention and I’ve been attending for 4 years now. I love the people who go and it feels like a family!
Know one of my biggest peeves?
How there's vitually NO Gaming Cons whatsoever, outside of the East/West coasts. Like, NONE.
There are 40 something other states...
There are tons. There is a Facebook group that is dedicated to all conventions. They are all over in most states. Some just aren’t huge yet.
@GamerAhmer We live in Colorado, just outside the Denver metro area. There's nothing here. Nothing. We had one Gaming Con(VinCon), and they're DONE.
Where are you looking for local events? I don't exactly think the Denver area is flyover territory, yet there's NOTHING here, and there never is. It appears to all be on the coasts or in Texas.
*We're not interested in "meet-ups" and swap-meets held in Marriott ballrooms.
@@markherman1211 Unfortunately many are starting in those small areas. I would check the “National Video Game Convention Schedule” on Facebook. They have updates on conventions every few days. Might get lucky and find something.
@GamerAhmer Yeah, it's the same with comics. And it's been a crap-shoot 110% of the time for us. I'm guessing that's largely because anything of value was traded before the doors opened?
*Thanks for the advice, we'll check it out.
@@markherman1211 it happens at all events. Other tables buy up inventory to resell. But at good events there is plenty to go around. I hope you find some fun events!
I am terrified that A game will not work or it is fake.
Oh absolutely!
We've said for years resellers were ruining the market and it's like people are only now fully realizing it. We know tons of vendors who will up-charge to make haggle room, so a buyer THINKS they're getting a good deal simply because it's not sticker price....
There's a reason we rarely leave cons with games. 🤭😉
If a table has no prices, we walk, every time. If you can't be bothered to price your wares, we can't be bothered to look.
Fortunately conventions DO have so much else to offer and that's why we showcase events the way we do in our videos, to show there's often something for everyone and more than simply what's assumed and expected.
How long before other creators start doing the DYN style of convention coverage versus deal hunting? 🤔 😮
Exactly! You guys do a fantastic job covering so many events. Definitely need to spread the word and hope that less and less greedy people take over these events. There is more to shopping and it’s definitely a fun experience if you go to the right events.
It's the same for me price and pricing tactics. I'd rather buy from eBay sometimes.
Oh absolutely!
Games are over priced everywhere I try not to buy them if over priced unless really rare and gotta have it. Prices go up and down just like anything we collect.
Exactly! I’ve seen the prices vary over the years so I try to find those deals when I can!
There was a booth at Game Jam this year selling strategy guides. No prices on any of them! Dude had to individually look up each price, so annoying!
Oh no!
I dislike this more for the time investment than the notion that they're going to jack the price. It wastes their time and mine and always ends with me saying, "I'll think about it," just to be polite.
@@pigs18 Very true. Sometimes it takes a while to look up prices and I’m often just waiting there talking myself out of it but I don’t want to walk away and seem rude.
But how do the vendors get this games under the market price to make a profit?
Most pay 50 percent or less for trade ins. They have to find the deals like game stores and such do.
Buy a game low> price it at market value> market value goes up> customer gets a deal.
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A great video. I was just at a place that sells cards and now video games. No prices and checked everything. I just said no thank you.
Woah!! That’s insane!
I hate when you show these overinflated sellers that it’s overpriced and they’re not willing to budge on price. I also hate the well known resellers.
It’s just sad to see these extreme up charges
Can you give examples of games you saw that are suppose to be 10 dollars games going for 60 dollars at conventions?
It’s been a year but I remember one of the games being Megaman anniversary collection which was around the $10 mark and 4 booths had it for $60. My buddy picked it up for $10 eventually. And another was a Mega Man PSP game. Might have been around the $10 - $15 range at that time. And once again several booths had it for $60-$75 and he scored it for less than $20. I was looking for SNES games and some of the cheap sports titles were marked up. They had ripped labels and all. I was able to find deals but after looking over majority of the convention. Another buddy had a list of games he was looking for and I remember going around shocked at his list and the listed prices at the convention. In some of the clips I show some of the “rarer” games $300+ overpriced and some even more than that.
@@GamerAhmer makes me wonder if they were new copies and or very mint new other. I can see seller up charging for that game, Mega Man is a popular IP and that game probably sells for them. Any thing that is a popular broader IP, like Mario or Zelda I always expect those games to be selling for a bit more because of popularity. They might only have a small amount of copies.
@@JohnnyCProduction They weren’t. Some didn’t even have the manual and others weren’t the best looking. That’s why he waited and we found the cheaper copy.
@@GamerAhmer I understand why sellers will do mark ups, since collecting have been becoming so mainstream and everyone sees those terrible articles about “how your old video games will make you a millionaire” and thinks it’s 100% true so they go into their old games that have been in the attic for decades and think that what they have is gold even though in reality it’s not. Those same people go to these conventions and possibly others that are curious so it’s possible that seller could fund someone to actually buy it for that high of a price.
I really do think that eventually game collecting will die and they want to make as much as they can from potential buyers before the bubble breaks. I’ve personally stopped really collecting and more like just buy games that I want to play, physical or digitally. I just don’t have the room to just collect stuff now and also we just never having time to even really play what I already have.
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Cut to the point, your eyes are just amazing! And just don't spend on marked up BS convo prices.
Thank you! And exactly.
Where do you go to game conventions?
I’ve been all over! Maryland, Pennsylvania, Arizona, New York, Ohio, Alabama, DC, Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia and more!
In defense of vendors, they have to pay a fee to the con to have a table. So that's an extra expense for them.
That said, ebay should not be used as a guide for a private sale. Ebay takes a cut of every sale. Ebay sellers raise their prices to offset this. None of this comes into play with a private sale.
I understand that but that’s something they have to sort out. Definitely crazy to see insane price mark ups.
@@GamerAhmer you're not wrong at all. Just thought it deserved a mention.
@stashmerkin9576 as much as the whole eBay prices thing, game stores and resellers use eBay pricing because that what customers are looking at, not just the sellers. Most customers will always be on pricecharting on their phone while looking at vendor booths. We are all kind of conditioned.
@@JohnnyCProduction this is completely true.
we sre vending at TMG for the first time next week....dont scare us!!!
I really hope it is a much better experience for you. Just was posting to be informative about the situation.
@@GamerAhmer I will say, as someone who has some experience vending at cons...while i have definitely seen a lot of the same red flags you mention, the con organizers themselves really have zero control over the vendors, prices, attitudes etc. They just rent the table and are generally hands off the whole show (maybe this will be different at TMG next week). That being said, the tables are usually $600-$900 to rent and so that could be why vendors are so determined to make their money back. As a vendor though, I would love to see the entry fee for these events come down so more people can enter the show and have more money to spend with us!! I will let you know how it goes, and again, think about coming to long island retro in august! Everyone has an amazing tme there and the organizers are wonderful people. We will be set up with our mods and we will cut you a great deal :)
@@Gamechangermods I definitely understand that. I’ve talked to vendors and event management as well. Some are starting to not invite vendors back if they are doing shady practices. Just takes more people standing up and talking about things. Definitely would make sense to have these event organizers be more involved because it’s a reflection on their show. When I asked about a few things and got brushed aside that was the notion I took that those people just don’t care and only care about the money. These events should be an amazing experience and people shouldn’t feel bad about it. I’m glad to hear about that convention though and I’ll definitely check it out at some point. Let me know how TMG is and I’m hoping it changes enough for myself to attend again one day. I’d love to see improvement and not have to feel “censored” about my experiences if I go again.
Are conventions falling apart?
I hope not! I just want more conventions to do better and bring more fun to everyone!
Yall forget that nobody forcing you to go to these cons for Content.
The fact is that I want to go. Being a collector and someone who enjoys gaming I want to share my experiences with others who may want to go but are on the fence. Just standing up for people who may feel some sort of way and who may get taken advantage of. I’ve been to many conventions with and without content and wish I knew more back then. Conventions can be an amazing place and awesome experience. They can also ruin the hobby and fun for others. Best to have all information.
@@GamerAhmer anyone who go to these cons are get red flags for profits.
@@GamerAhmer You already have enough games. Why do need to go to all these cons for your addictions?
@@AJTComicsBrand Conventions are more than just games. It’s a place to hang out with other like minded individuals and friends. There are tons of events at these conventions. I only spend a few mins shopping at these conventions. It’s not always about buying games.
I can have as many and as much as I please. I have bigger plans in the future.
@@GamerAhmer when do you sit down play games?
i can find that game $300 cheaper!
Exactly!
Gaming conventions reminds me of the overpriced items that DKOldies sells. Don’t buy from gaming conventions and DKOldies at all because they’re overpriced.
There are still some great deals at conventions. Just depends on which ones and what tables you go to.
You really need to do some homework before going to a convention. Have a list of games and stuff you are interested in and what they sell for or what you would pay for them.
I absolutely agree! Have to stay prepared
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