"In this country one is innocent until proven guilty not the other way around" Beautiful line and I've used it ever since I saw this classic in the spring of 1991
I always felt that, on the one hand, the ETS guys did have some right to be concerned that a historically-underperforming school is suddenly producing calculus whiz kids; on the other hand, they reacted to their suspicions completely wrong. The way to assuage their suspicions would be to visit the school one day and watch Mr Escalante (or as I call him, "Stan Dandyliver") teach a class, maybe pick a couple kids at random and ask them to solve a moderately difficult problem. It would be something like the police checking out an alibi: it would establish that the good scores were plausible, and in the absence of any evidence of cheating, that's the end of that.
This is part of the problem tho. The fact that you would question the test scores reveals that you think anyone from the community isnt capable of performing well. Thats an implicit bias.
@@sagvjc2525 "Implicit bias" my ass. The issue is that the school's scores have always been terrible, until all of a sudden they clock in as the best calc students anyone's ever seen. That would merit investigation no matter the community in question. The bias can be found in the investigators' refusal to accept the obvious explanation once it's right there for them to see: there is a new calc teacher and he's gotten through to his students.
@@sagvjc2525 No, I understand it just fine. Checking to see what accounts for the dramatic increase in scores is reasonable. Refusing to believe Mr Escalante or be satisfied with a demonstration that his kids do actually understand calculus, is not. The implicit bias is in the EFT guys' refusal to accept the possibility that those barrio kids could learn math, even after the evidence was right in front of their faces. A reasonable EFT person would have maybe seen Lou Diamond Phillips do an integration by parts, and that would settle that; not even a rigorous retesting.
Sometimes you wish you had a teacher like that - not just someone who sets high standards, but that fights for you to succeed and - if necessary - puts himself on the line.
@@bilsid Oooh, boy - I'm expecting absolutely nothing out of someone, who can't understand a comment as simple as this one. PS. - something that - by the way! - begs the question whether YOU weren't the "perfect product" of a scholastic system just like the one presented here ...where they believe that you can "set limits" and change them accordingly not to what you can truly achieve (i.e: LEARN), but to a whole "group's" background - social condition, status, financial background ...in other words ...the "good" or "bad" part of town you come from, and set those limits (upper and lower) ACCORDINGLY (...and - hell! - maybe even "race" comes to play!...) - SO! - if a group of (for instance) "latino" kids, coming from an area infested by gang-culture finds a good teacher and manages to (as you wrote yourself) "PULL THEIR WEIGHT", and successfly breaks the "upper limit" of that "system's" expectations, then they automathically assume THEY MUST HAVE CHEATED. When the teacher asks "WHY?" (...WHY are you assuming they have cheated?), then they don't even have the b@lls to respond him straight...just throw random statistics at him, trying to prove a "point" that is rotten at the core. Well?? ...too "difficult to understand"??...
Yes. Very VERY rare. Most don’t get paid enough and after years of being treated Like trash, don’t want to say anything or help because they’ve been burn before
It’s so much more complicated than people think it is… Office politics were huge. There were a team of teachers on Escalante’s side, which made advocating so much easier in this situation, and the bigger school system filled with jealously at the same time that eventually pushed them all out. It was also a very different time with very different students. The film showed how much those kids had to grow up to take care of their siblings and grandparents, or to work to help their family. It definitely still happens, but not as much as it did 40 years ago.
Andy Garcia does anger better than any actor I've ever seen. He just seethes. In this whole scene he's just barely under control...he's legitimately intimidating.
@@reinaguzman9030 How was he a racist in the movie? That is a huge jump. If the state policy is to investigate anamolus leaps in scores, and the student identities is withheld until after the anomaly is identified through pure analytics, that is exactly 180° opposite from racism.
@@kevinkesterson1806, correct, sir. Dr. Ramírez did explain that the identities were withheld. The students could have been German! Strange results create red flags.
They can't because they can't work students hard without being crucified. And districts dictate how they teach. Kids are also more awful than ever and only care about their phones.
@dingusbingus7463 teachers aren't this way because they have to be soft with the students. School is so bent up on social emotional learning that is forced on the teachers now instead of tough love and high expectations. They're losing academic time for breathing exercises and nonsense. And kids don't care anymore because kids just want to be an influencer or just be on their phones. The kids run the schools.
@@elsannin14121 i agree on the social emotional learning you bring up, however I was mainly referring to how in this movie the teacher gets them interested so they want to learn, and actually cares about the students. Most teachers now are just idiots who got their teaching degree to babysit with a degree until they're out of debt
No Bias , the topic isn't about pukes of all ages. Most producers simply don't have time to go looking for actors of the exact age all the time. They also don't want to hassle with all the pain-in-the-ass parents. Relax. If you're not a puke, then it isn't about you.
“There are two kinds of racism Mr. Escalante. Singling out a group because they’re members of a minority and not singling out a group because they’re members of a minority.” He’s not wrong. If you do anything (or fail to do something) against anyone due to the color of their skin, the fact that you are focusing on the color of their skin is what makes you guilty of choosing based on color/race identity. Saying I’m choosing you since you’re hispanic is every bit as racist as saying I’m not choosing you since you’re hispanic. I agree with Mr. Esclante’s demand and anger, I grew up in a country where it’s innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Indeed, if these kids were investigated due to their surnames, THAT IS prejudicial. I hope the guy was telling the truth when he said that their identities were concealed, since if not, then yeah, you can make the case that they’re only being investigated due to their ethnicity. With that in mind, I hope they’re also investigating any “irregularities” from schools of richer neighborhoods. Like the guy said, refusal to do so due to the color of their skin is also racism. Also, for anyone who misunderstands me and is about to call me a “white-privileged so-and-such”, my skin is brown, and I’m proud of that.
I have a few Educational Instructors, Teachers, in my family. Mainly my mother. As minorities we're taught to work for what we want or wish to achieve. Back in the day it was called Tough Love so to only make us stronger and wiser as we got older. If we couldn't beat "The Man" physically, we'd use our head to outsmart them. I teach my kids the same thing.
Great movie. Very inspiring. Escalante had the right to imply racism even though he didn’t directly use the term. Nowadays the term ‘racist’ is used on everything and anything. The race card is played all the time.
Hoof Grip Weightlifting yea he had their back. I wonder if there’s still any teachers out there like that. Somebody said in real life that 6 of the kids did cheat
Dude things are way better so much diversity now days, there will always be a little racism and that’s ok cause they’ll always be reasons white people and black people don’t like each other, shoot I can even say nigger in front of my black friends and they don’t care, I’m not sure where u come from but where I live the black people are the popular ones their pretty loved.
Great, great movie! I love when Mr Escalante says, very correctly and terribly sadly, 'Those scores would have never been questioned if my kids did not have Spanish surnames and come from barrio schools.'
Honestly, if I would do HS again I would attend the original HS in the inner city my parents didn’t want me to attend…graduate top of my class (cuz I would have no competition) and gotten that amazing LoR from someone in the school saying how I made it out and probably gotten into an Ivy League. I ended up attending a top college as a first Gen and having an amazing time and graduating with honors with a biochem degree…but I could have done it ALOT better in my opinion. Low key, I may just send my kids to an underperforming school to get that experience if it wasn’t for the fact that now he won’t be a first gen and the tax returns wont help him much due to my income being 5x higher than my dad’s ever was. Gracias papá.
Oh boy, might not be so simple. I had the choice between two high schools and chose the "more diverse" of the two. I still got into a really good college (and ended up being classmates with some of the people I knew from the richer school), but I also got in a lot more trouble outside of school because of the people I was hanging out with, had to dodge a couple of gang fights at the school I did attend, and none of the friendships I made at that school have stood the test of time. Something I've come to realize later is that a contributing factor to generational poverty is the setting of insufficiently lofty goals because of a lack of exposure to higher aspirational career paths. Call it naive, but I didn't realize that I set my bar too low until I was 5-6 years into my career. What's crazy, is that if I'd listened to some members of my family, the bar would've been set even lower as they'd tried talking me into going to a lesser school because it would've been easier even though I ended up graduating with high honors from the #2 school worldwide in my field. Where I was naive was in choosing my initial career path after graduation. A benefit of going to richer schools is exposure to high income individuals and a better understanding of the career paths to get you there. Had I gone to the richer school, I doubt I would've made the early career mistakes that I did.
Robert and Kim Kiyosaki need to watch this. Because they keep asking stupid questions like "Why is it you are not allowed to ask for help during an exam, isn't everyone supposed to learn through cooperation". First of all, exams are not just an exercise of knowledge. Exams are more importantly an exercise of honesty and integrity. You answer every question as honestly as possible in the same way you would try to honestly fill in needed information in your tax declarations. In the movie, we did see how students "Cooperated" and helped each other learning calculus. We also see in this scene that more intellectual capability, its the integrity of the student, the teacher, the school, the community is being unfairly questioned. So naturally, the teacher has to make this stand, because there was no proof of cheating or wrong-doing.
warp3 wrong, this movie was inspired by South Park episode, where Cartman teaches underprivileged kids how to cheat. Just look how teacher here looks just like Cartman did in that episode.
everyone single person is the world can be racist even if there reacting to hate by hating others themselves cause they then focus on other peoples inability to see past
Within the context of the contemporary political climate which does in fact see standardizing testing itself as a racially-charged and culturally-biased construct; this scene feels so oddly nostalgic and quaint. Seriously sucks all the drama right out of the room.
@@SFranc If you actually bother reading that article, it says SOME students Copied ONE answer from another STUDENT Singular in both cases, and that if they did not do it; they would HAVE STILL PASSED and done the SAME.
@@SFranc @Bobzilla8906, it was petty cheating, of copying a note. This movie had some added drama, but still, this program was successful in creating students that could pass. The scores in the retake show this.
There are two kinds of racism, Mr. Escalante... singling out a group because theyre members of a minority.... and NOT singling out a group because theyre members of a minority. More true words have never been spoken.
I'm guessing it's the testimony of the person who supervised while they took the test, but if that person is their teacher I'm guessing there's a reason to have suspicion of that testiment. And I just said "I'm guessing" twice in one sentence. Welp, not like english was my best subject.
The kids were forced to retake the test, or rather a harder version of the test, with lots of people observing them. The kids still aced that test, so presumably they aced the first one fair and square too.
The burden of proof falls on those making the accusations (innocent until proven guilty, right?). It's a logical fallacy to ask to disprove that something didn't happen. These guys had suspicions about the legitimacy of the test scores because they were better than average results from "hood" schools. Escalate was right: there was classism and a race component in their suspicions. I'm glad that, even though it wasn't fair because the accusations were unfounded, the students were able to smash any doubts of their credibility by retaking (and getting even better grades) that test.
It is important to know that in real life 6 of the students did admit to cheating using the same piece of paper with the same mistake on it so the administrators were correct.
Ya'll love to throw out the "race card" until it actually applies. Felicity Huffman and all those who cheated to get their kids into colleges they didn't deserve to be in and got a slap on the wrist would like to have a word. That's the only race card that ever truly gets played and wins in this country. Go ask Casey Anthony and that other girl how to get away with killing their babies since ya'll swear to care so much about children. Or Brock Turner how to rape and get away with it. Or the rich kid in TX how to kill 4 innocent people and face not one moment of jail time. I could give you thousands of examples. You see the ultimate race card being played every day and winning so gtfoh with that bs.
@@msab1483 Yea colleges are corrupt propaganda brainwashing factories who thrive off money. That goes on all the time with people of wealth and colleges. They also lower requirements and offer grants just for not being white.
Sam Scrapla No they don’t. That’s against the law. Lie again. Colleges can’t legally and don’t have one set of admission requirements for white people and another for non white people. Also financial grants don’t come from colleges they come from the federal government. The only type of “grants” that come from colleges are legacy grants and they overwhelming favor white students. Anything else you would like to get incorrect?
Why was Dr. Ramírez acting like such an idiot? Racism? Math is actually rather neutral, just like computer science. Too many administrators take criticism too personally. He and his partner were in control and had nothing to worry about.
Did you watch the whole movie? There was one type of equation that all of kids got wrong and for the same reason so they assumed the kids must have cheated because they all scored high on the test. At that time people doubted that Jaime Escalante could create an ap program in a high school where many kids struggled just to pass the state min requirements so what he did was so remarkable people doubted it.
@@littlesongbird1, I certainly did see all of it. Raquel, the department chair, was fighting Escalate from the beginning. She saw no need for changes. They eventually came to an end. I guess you can't fight the system.
"In this country one is innocent until proven guilty not the other way around" Beautiful line and I've used it ever since I saw this classic in the spring of 1991
never been true though has it
I always felt that, on the one hand, the ETS guys did have some right to be concerned that a historically-underperforming school is suddenly producing calculus whiz kids; on the other hand, they reacted to their suspicions completely wrong. The way to assuage their suspicions would be to visit the school one day and watch Mr Escalante (or as I call him, "Stan Dandyliver") teach a class, maybe pick a couple kids at random and ask them to solve a moderately difficult problem. It would be something like the police checking out an alibi: it would establish that the good scores were plausible, and in the absence of any evidence of cheating, that's the end of that.
Exactly. Dont have them retake the entire quiz. Just have them answer one of the question they had right and show them how they answered it.
This is part of the problem tho. The fact that you would question the test scores reveals that you think anyone from the community isnt capable of performing well. Thats an implicit bias.
@@sagvjc2525 "Implicit bias" my ass. The issue is that the school's scores have always been terrible, until all of a sudden they clock in as the best calc students anyone's ever seen. That would merit investigation no matter the community in question. The bias can be found in the investigators' refusal to accept the obvious explanation once it's right there for them to see: there is a new calc teacher and he's gotten through to his students.
@@kingbeauregard you missed the entire point of the scene and movie, and youre refusing see/accept it.
@@sagvjc2525 No, I understand it just fine. Checking to see what accounts for the dramatic increase in scores is reasonable. Refusing to believe Mr Escalante or be satisfied with a demonstration that his kids do actually understand calculus, is not.
The implicit bias is in the EFT guys' refusal to accept the possibility that those barrio kids could learn math, even after the evidence was right in front of their faces. A reasonable EFT person would have maybe seen Lou Diamond Phillips do an integration by parts, and that would settle that; not even a rigorous retesting.
Sometimes you wish you had a teacher like that - not just someone who sets high standards, but that fights for you to succeed and - if necessary - puts himself on the line.
why you expecting of others? entitlement much? pull your own weight
@@bilsid Oooh, boy - I'm expecting absolutely nothing out of someone, who can't understand a comment as simple as this one.
PS. - something that - by the way! - begs the question whether YOU weren't the "perfect product" of a scholastic system just like the one presented here ...where they believe that you can "set limits" and change them accordingly not to what you can truly achieve (i.e: LEARN), but to a whole "group's" background - social condition, status, financial background ...in other words ...the "good" or "bad" part of town you come from, and set those limits (upper and lower) ACCORDINGLY (...and - hell! - maybe even "race" comes to play!...) - SO! - if a group of (for instance) "latino" kids, coming from an area infested by gang-culture finds a good teacher and manages to (as you wrote yourself) "PULL THEIR WEIGHT", and successfly breaks the "upper limit" of that "system's" expectations, then they automathically assume THEY MUST HAVE CHEATED. When the teacher asks "WHY?" (...WHY are you assuming they have cheated?), then they don't even have the b@lls to respond him straight...just throw random statistics at him, trying to prove a "point" that is rotten at the core.
Well?? ...too "difficult to understand"??...
Yes. Very VERY rare. Most don’t get paid enough and after years of being treated Like trash, don’t want to say anything or help because they’ve been burn before
It’s so much more complicated than people think it is… Office politics were huge. There were a team of teachers on Escalante’s side, which made advocating so much easier in this situation, and the bigger school system filled with jealously at the same time that eventually pushed them all out. It was also a very different time with very different students. The film showed how much those kids had to grow up to take care of their siblings and grandparents, or to work to help their family. It definitely still happens, but not as much as it did 40 years ago.
sometimes?
They clipped this before the best part: where he tells that guy if he meets him on the street, he'll kick the s*** out of him.
WhatsWongNow , it was "shit," not "s***."
Shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit not that hard
Jesus Christ , no, it wasn't.
TheLAKERSareGodsTeam , how funny.
My dad knew the black guy (Johnny) in real life
And he used to annoy the hell out of my dad
Andy Garcia does anger better than any actor I've ever seen. He just seethes. In this whole scene he's just barely under control...he's legitimately intimidating.
Not intimidating at all. Just overly defensive and whiny.
"The problem is with ETS" Yeah some things haven't changed in 30 years.
Wdym
Andy Garcia don't believe in his own peeeeeple.
christy capers exactly! he is a white latino he is a racist in this movie
@@reinaguzman9030 How was he a racist in the movie? That is a huge jump. If the state policy is to investigate anamolus leaps in scores, and the student identities is withheld until after the anomaly is identified through pure analytics, that is exactly 180° opposite from racism.
@@kevinkesterson1806, correct, sir. Dr. Ramírez did explain that the identities were withheld. The students could have been German! Strange results create red flags.
@@reinaguzman9030 You are adorable
How do I reach these keeeeeeeeds
Greedy D , you don't.
Ok Colin wannabe lol
he better then the pinata
repeat after me i misinterpreted the rules! again i misinterpreted the rules again! .....
Edward James Olmos is a very underrated actor.
He really is
@@trin3516, who rated him?
@@valuecalc do you know what underrated means
@@trin3516, it seems like you don't. If you do, then make a statue of him.
@@valuecalc underrated means not valued enough or appreciated enough for their work. Edward James Olmos is very overlooked for his work as an actor
One of the most powerful scenes in any movie.
Man is this Scarface’s dad
Lol hes Tony Montana from an alternate universe😂😂
(Calm voice) You’re letting your emotions get the best of you .....the IDENTITY!!!!!!
I loved this movie because it stood as a great example of how teachers should be but aren't, especially now
They can't because they can't work students hard without being crucified. And districts dictate how they teach. Kids are also more awful than ever and only care about their phones.
@@elsannin14121 I don't see what you mean
@dingusbingus7463 teachers aren't this way because they have to be soft with the students. School is so bent up on social emotional learning that is forced on the teachers now instead of tough love and high expectations. They're losing academic time for breathing exercises and nonsense. And kids don't care anymore because kids just want to be an influencer or just be on their phones. The kids run the schools.
@@elsannin14121 i agree on the social emotional learning you bring up, however I was mainly referring to how in this movie the teacher gets them interested so they want to learn, and actually cares about the students. Most teachers now are just idiots who got their teaching degree to babysit with a degree until they're out of debt
Andy Garcia looks younger than some of the kids on the class.
No Bias , getting irresponsible teenage pukes to play the parts generally doesn't work.
Todd Beuckens , no, he didn't.
No Bias , the topic isn't about pukes of all ages. Most producers simply don't have time to go looking for actors of the exact age all the time. They also don't want to hassle with all the pain-in-the-ass parents. Relax. If you're not a puke, then it isn't about you.
No Bias , I appreciate it.
He could have played one of those kids.
Idk why but my teacher played this in Algebra 1
“There are two kinds of racism Mr. Escalante. Singling out a group because they’re members of a minority and not singling out a group because they’re members of a minority.”
He’s not wrong. If you do anything (or fail to do something) against anyone due to the color of their skin, the fact that you are focusing on the color of their skin is what makes you guilty of choosing based on color/race identity. Saying I’m choosing you since you’re hispanic is every bit as racist as saying I’m not choosing you since you’re hispanic. I agree with Mr. Esclante’s demand and anger, I grew up in a country where it’s innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Indeed, if these kids were investigated due to their surnames, THAT IS prejudicial. I hope the guy was telling the truth when he said that their identities were concealed, since if not, then yeah, you can make the case that they’re only being investigated due to their ethnicity. With that in mind, I hope they’re also investigating any “irregularities” from schools of richer neighborhoods. Like the guy said, refusal to do so due to the color of their skin is also racism.
Also, for anyone who misunderstands me and is about to call me a “white-privileged so-and-such”, my skin is brown, and I’m proud of that.
I have a few Educational Instructors, Teachers, in my family. Mainly my mother. As minorities we're taught to work for what we want or wish to achieve. Back in the day it was called Tough Love so to only make us stronger and wiser as we got older. If we couldn't beat "The Man" physically, we'd use our head to outsmart them. I teach my kids the same thing.
Brown, with a white man mindset, get out of here
@@Zharrgrim 🤣🤣🤣you’re such a racist! You get out of here!
@@iana3892 who are you
Thats true, but given the fact they refuse to show him the tests, I think his suspisions are warranted.
Great movie. Very inspiring. Escalante had the right to imply racism even though he didn’t directly use the term. Nowadays the term ‘racist’ is used on everything and anything. The race card is played all the time.
Hoof Grip Weightlifting yea he had their back. I wonder if there’s still any teachers out there like that. Somebody said in real life that 6 of the kids did cheat
@Inquisitorius Actually, it's gotten better simply because of the usage of social media.
Dude things are way better so much diversity now days, there will always be a little racism and that’s ok cause they’ll always be reasons white people and black people don’t like each other, shoot I can even say nigger in front of my black friends and they don’t care, I’m not sure where u come from but where I live the black people are the popular ones their pretty loved.
Because it happens all the time.
The race card is dealt all of the time.
I love this scene... great actors
Great, great movie! I love when Mr Escalante says, very correctly and terribly sadly, 'Those scores would have never been questioned if my kids did not have Spanish surnames and come from barrio schools.'
Honestly, if I would do HS again I would attend the original HS in the inner city my parents didn’t want me to attend…graduate top of my class (cuz I would have no competition) and gotten that amazing LoR from someone in the school saying how I made it out and probably gotten into an Ivy League. I ended up attending a top college as a first Gen and having an amazing time and graduating with honors with a biochem degree…but I could have done it ALOT better in my opinion. Low key, I may just send my kids to an underperforming school to get that experience if it wasn’t for the fact that now he won’t be a first gen and the tax returns wont help him much due to my income being 5x higher than my dad’s ever was. Gracias papá.
Oh boy, might not be so simple. I had the choice between two high schools and chose the "more diverse" of the two. I still got into a really good college (and ended up being classmates with some of the people I knew from the richer school), but I also got in a lot more trouble outside of school because of the people I was hanging out with, had to dodge a couple of gang fights at the school I did attend, and none of the friendships I made at that school have stood the test of time.
Something I've come to realize later is that a contributing factor to generational poverty is the setting of insufficiently lofty goals because of a lack of exposure to higher aspirational career paths. Call it naive, but I didn't realize that I set my bar too low until I was 5-6 years into my career. What's crazy, is that if I'd listened to some members of my family, the bar would've been set even lower as they'd tried talking me into going to a lesser school because it would've been easier even though I ended up graduating with high honors from the #2 school worldwide in my field. Where I was naive was in choosing my initial career path after graduation. A benefit of going to richer schools is exposure to high income individuals and a better understanding of the career paths to get you there. Had I gone to the richer school, I doubt I would've made the early career mistakes that I did.
Lol the dude (Andy Garcia's character) is of Italian and Spanish descent
He played "Dr. Ramírez." What does Andy's race have to do with anything?
His Cuban dumbass
@@salp6432 he is or he's
Helek Cruz You is a fucken loser 😂🤣
Andy can be considered Southern European, so basically white, the Spaniards invented the term 'white people' the English copied it.
Very good scene
That man is like a frat boy who thinks he is PC.
personal computer
teachers like this should go viral and deserve sponsors like athletes do
Lol what
@@EnjoySackLunch I said what I said
@@aadin that was your first mistake
@@EnjoySackLunch evert teacher on this planet should be like Jaime Escalante
@@aadin how do you figure
These two are the clarence thomases of ETS: slam shut the door behind them.
Andy Garcia with the spaghetti arms
Robert and Kim Kiyosaki need to watch this. Because they keep asking stupid questions like "Why is it you are not allowed to ask for help during an exam, isn't everyone supposed to learn through cooperation".
First of all, exams are not just an exercise of knowledge. Exams are more importantly an exercise of honesty and integrity. You answer every question as honestly as possible in the same way you would try to honestly fill in needed information in your tax declarations.
In the movie, we did see how students "Cooperated" and helped each other learning calculus. We also see in this scene that more intellectual capability, its the integrity of the student, the teacher, the school, the community is being unfairly questioned. So naturally, the teacher has to make this stand, because there was no proof of cheating or wrong-doing.
All these clips have Southpark references....which makes them even better 🤣
nah son. stand and deliver came out before south park, so it's south park making all these references from stand and deliver.
@@Nem0451 I meant in the comments. Obviously the movie came out before Southpark.
@@shino8854 word
warp3 wrong, this movie was inspired by South Park episode, where Cartman teaches underprivileged kids how to cheat. Just look how teacher here looks just like Cartman did in that episode.
@@technokokos That's still no excuse for you not uploading videos on UA-cam man. When are u going to upload?
My kids can teach you a thing or two Johnny hahahhaa!!!
His statement was stupid.
Oscar worthy
amazing performance
my kiiiiiiidddeeesss
I always thought about this, they pin the Cuban against the Mexican, obviously its to symbolize aristocrat vs hard labor, in this scene
HOW DO I REACH THESE KEEEEEDS!
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I kind of agree with the ETS guys, but I think a re-test is a bit unfair. The teacher is right, it's like accusing them all of cheating.
His English is bad buttt...
His heart is something inexplicable
Keeeeds
There is something wrong if one can't see results of test.
Welcome to 2022, yes we can.
everyone single person is the world can be racist even if there reacting to hate by hating others themselves cause they then focus on other peoples inability to see past
Within the context of the contemporary political climate which does in fact see standardizing testing itself as a racially-charged and culturally-biased construct; this scene feels so oddly nostalgic and quaint. Seriously sucks all the drama right out of the room.
Btw it was true that some cheated. They admitted it in real life
S. Franc where is that said ?
@@SFranc If you actually bother reading that article, it says SOME students Copied ONE answer from another STUDENT Singular in both cases, and that if they did not do it; they would HAVE STILL PASSED and done the SAME.
Bobzilla8906 so cheating
@@SFranc @Bobzilla8906, it was petty cheating, of copying a note. This movie had some added drama, but still, this program was successful in creating students that could pass. The scores in the retake show this.
brett knoss I don’t deny that
There are two kinds of racism, Mr. Escalante... singling out a group because theyre members of a minority.... and NOT singling out a group because theyre members of a minority.
More true words have never been spoken.
A much better quote would have been 'Nobody Has the Right to Accuse me of Hispanophobia.'
Where do I see the proof these kids didn't cheat? Honest question
I'm guessing it's the testimony of the person who supervised while they took the test, but if that person is their teacher I'm guessing there's a reason to have suspicion of that testiment. And I just said "I'm guessing" twice in one sentence.
Welp, not like english was my best subject.
The kids were forced to retake the test, or rather a harder version of the test, with lots of people observing them. The kids still aced that test, so presumably they aced the first one fair and square too.
The burden of proof falls on those making the accusations (innocent until proven guilty, right?). It's a logical fallacy to ask to disprove that something didn't happen.
These guys had suspicions about the legitimacy of the test scores because they were better than average results from "hood" schools. Escalate was right: there was classism and a race component in their suspicions.
I'm glad that, even though it wasn't fair because the accusations were unfounded, the students were able to smash any doubts of their credibility by retaking (and getting even better grades) that test.
They were racist against the kids of his class!!!!
"NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO CALL ME A RACIST!!"
*in the next scene talks to 3 hispanic girls in spanish*
🙄😒
Xiomara Videz is talking to Hispanics in Spanish racist now?
You're right. I'm sorry, Mr. Racist.
LOL
jltaco85 Born prematurely I see?
@@jltaco85 I see you're the Snowflake
JE 77 I see you should stay your wonder bread ass out these comments.
It is important to know that in real life 6 of the students did admit to cheating using the same piece of paper with the same mistake on it so the administrators were correct.
General Grudge wait really?
General Grudge , right!
In the movie, when the kids take the AP Calculus exam a second time, ETS proctors the exam, and the kids pass again!!
Complete lie Racist Bob.
BLM in a nutshell
The good ole race card even when dealing with a black man and a latin man lol
most ethnic backgrounds have a racial stigma
Ya'll love to throw out the "race card" until it actually applies. Felicity Huffman and all those who cheated to get their kids into colleges they didn't deserve to be in and got a slap on the wrist would like to have a word. That's the only race card that ever truly gets played and wins in this country. Go ask Casey Anthony and that other girl how to get away with killing their babies since ya'll swear to care so much about children. Or Brock Turner how to rape and get away with it. Or the rich kid in TX how to kill 4 innocent people and face not one moment of jail time. I could give you thousands of examples. You see the ultimate race card being played every day and winning so gtfoh with that bs.
@@msab1483 Yea colleges are corrupt propaganda brainwashing factories who thrive off money. That goes on all the time with people of wealth and colleges. They also lower requirements and offer grants just for not being white.
Sam Scrapla No they don’t. That’s against the law. Lie again. Colleges can’t legally and don’t have one set of admission requirements for white people and another for non white people. Also financial grants don’t come from colleges they come from the federal government. The only type of “grants” that come from colleges are legacy grants and they overwhelming favor white students. Anything else you would like to get incorrect?
@@Scrapla1 lmao dude if a college or university lets people in and gives grants could you let me know? I can't find one.
He's a accusing a Latino and a black man of racism
A Latino and a black man can still be racist.
You don’t have to be white to be racist
So?
Want to see the looks on their faces when they realized they were wrong lol
Jenna, I doubt that they cared.
@@valuecalc Doesn’t matter if they cared. What does is the students passed
@@armorpro573, big deal. The faculty fought it. Eventually the program was cancelled.
@@valuecalc like I said, the initiative had big impact, whether or not it was criticized
@@armorpro573, it was criticized. Escalante was chased out.
My kids didn’t do anything. No evidence..
This movie squatches the political circus of today given that you can beat the odds using your own talent and determination.
Awww it didnt show when he says if I catch you on the street I am going to beat the crap out of you
"No one calls me a racist" says normally a white guy that is being racist
Why was Dr. Ramírez acting like such an idiot? Racism? Math is actually rather neutral, just like computer science. Too many administrators take criticism too personally. He and his partner were in control and had nothing to worry about.
Did you watch the whole movie? There was one type of equation that all of kids got wrong and for the same reason so they assumed the kids must have cheated because they all scored high on the test. At that time people doubted that Jaime Escalante could create an ap program in a high school where many kids struggled just to pass the state min requirements so what he did was so remarkable people doubted it.
@@littlesongbird1, I certainly did see all of it. Raquel, the department chair, was fighting Escalate from the beginning. She saw no need for changes. They eventually came to an end. I guess you can't fight the system.
Race card yawn