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  • Pat Bev & JJ Redick debate whether James Harden deserves the supermax 🍿 | Get Up
    JJ Redick and Patrick Beverley debate whether James Harden can win a title with the Philadelphia 76ers.
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  • @luny2nez281
    @luny2nez281 2 роки тому +2527

    Wow Pat is being a pest on and off the court now 😂. JJ was ready to choke him

    • @A_Sleap
      @A_Sleap 2 роки тому +43

      He's a trip 😂😂

    • @tylerthomas9855
      @tylerthomas9855 2 роки тому +8

      😂😂😂

    • @norestwicked6125
      @norestwicked6125 2 роки тому +40

      Lmao, JJ heated while answerin PatBevs somewhat rhetorical question

    • @teamgreats4084
      @teamgreats4084 2 роки тому +17

      Oh y'all tripping Pat Bev was a thousand percent right

    • @luny2nez281
      @luny2nez281 2 роки тому +90

      @@teamgreats4084 If you think he is correct, then you should never be a manager

  • @JR-500
    @JR-500 2 роки тому +1458

    if harden gets a supermax he owes beverly 10% of that contract 😂

    • @xblfanatic360
      @xblfanatic360 2 роки тому +63

      Facts😂. He tryna be Hardens agent rn

    • @eddycantu5354
      @eddycantu5354 2 роки тому +8

      Rockets fan. You right 😂😂

    • @rodb115
      @rodb115 2 роки тому +11

      Lol, he should ask for 15%! He's been trying to sell that Harden supermax belief for the past two days! Not going to happen.

    • @FrankyEames
      @FrankyEames 2 роки тому +8

      Big facts! Bev been putting work in trying to sell everyone on it lol.

    • @nathankunkel4761
      @nathankunkel4761 2 роки тому +2

      @@rodb115 20% !!

  • @MindfulAttraction2.0
    @MindfulAttraction2.0 2 роки тому +240

    pat bev is the black skip bayless lmao

    • @AshadowsShadow
      @AshadowsShadow 2 роки тому +2

      😂😂😂😂

    • @christiandouyon9739
      @christiandouyon9739 2 роки тому +16

      For real lol. He knows if he were a GM and someone came to him proposing supermax for harden after that performance he'd laugh the guy out his office

    • @MG-ol8hs
      @MG-ol8hs Рік тому

      Dont compare pat bev to that waste of human garbage skip

    • @KidTakeFlight
      @KidTakeFlight Рік тому +2

      No he’s Patrick Beverly

    • @treypain5082
      @treypain5082 Рік тому

      @@KidTakeFlight that part

  • @hoodviews845
    @hoodviews845 2 роки тому +280

    Two different perspectives from two different players who actually laced ‘em up and step on that court for 10 plus years! Is what you call a real debate ✊🏽💯

    • @olliesmith4997
      @olliesmith4997 2 роки тому +5

      Exactly. Two guys that actually played and know the game. One thing to speak on the game from a textbook, intellectual level but it’s another thing to speak on the game if you actually played and know the internal nuisances that’s the media and ppl don’t know or don’t understand. That’s why I love when former players get into sports media because they can speak on it from a whole different level because they actually been in trenches and know all the behind the scenes nuisances.

    • @hoodviews845
      @hoodviews845 2 роки тому +2

      @@olliesmith4997 facts my boy!!!! I’m tired of media people who never played sports

    • @bonanimathambo8721
      @bonanimathambo8721 2 роки тому

      Except one is smart and the other is a moron irritant.

    • @calebdavis381
      @calebdavis381 2 роки тому +10

      Not really. GM wise pat doesnt make any sense. Whats valid is harden is still worth a supermax ONLY if he is the franchise player and embiid is it.

    • @bonanimathambo8721
      @bonanimathambo8721 2 роки тому

      @@calebdavis381 He still wouldn’t be a super max. Even a max would be a stretch. He has deteriorated rapidly.

  • @gooseman025
    @gooseman025 2 роки тому +999

    JJ will get the super max heart attack if he keeps this up every week. LOL

    • @kawhi-theking_of_the_north3536
      @kawhi-theking_of_the_north3536 2 роки тому +11

      Hes so heated he gotta chill lol

    • @wilbryest
      @wilbryest 2 роки тому

      @@kawhi-theking_of_the_north3536 how you gonna chill when you're arguing with a moron? lol

    • @Plugoon
      @Plugoon Рік тому +7

      @@kawhi-theking_of_the_north3536 pat bev effect

    • @hellabreeshhh
      @hellabreeshhh Рік тому +6

      Pat bev got JJ IN his feelings 😂😂💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @ThePr0blemmm
      @ThePr0blemmm Рік тому +2

      LMAOOOO

  • @BallFacts
    @BallFacts 2 роки тому +1378

    Pat had JJ heated🤣

    • @justinl559
      @justinl559 2 роки тому +109

      Pat isn't even making points. He is like the 3 year old who just learned the word "why"

    • @minfamous5841
      @minfamous5841 2 роки тому

      Because pat is a idiot and conversing with an idiot can be infuriating

    • @theotherview1716
      @theotherview1716 2 роки тому +16

      Pat is a child in a mans body.

    • @Apoet777
      @Apoet777 2 роки тому +7

      @@Dr.SmegmaJones other way around lol

    • @Ciauskhaleesi
      @Ciauskhaleesi 2 роки тому +2

      pat bev is biased.. we should check up on pat again next year ^.^

  • @chiefloveth9040
    @chiefloveth9040 2 роки тому +178

    "What Robin is getting the super max?" Hahaha JJ got me in stitches

    • @gb2755
      @gb2755 2 роки тому +5

      A robin that fills up the stadium, sells shoes, jerseys etc. A robin that has all eyes on him. Instant ROI for an organization. It's a star based company. Not (statistical in-game) results. I understand JJ wasn't much into the business aspects of it. Results get you championships, but the rest of the league chipping in for business financial returns, and JJ don't have eyes for that domain.

    • @royceb4814
      @royceb4814 2 роки тому +4

      That James harden Robin 😭😭😭😭

    • @barbaryn7899
      @barbaryn7899 Рік тому +5

      @@gb2755 pretty sure the teams don't get paid for their players shoe sales that deal is with Nike or whoever they're wearing

    • @tristanmeadows
      @tristanmeadows Рік тому +1

      @@gb2755 james harden doesnt do any of that lol. Most people think he is washed up and lazy

  • @t30rages26
    @t30rages26 2 роки тому +273

    Pat Bev: “Yes”
    “Oh really?”
    Pat bev: “that’s what yes means”😂😂

    • @aatiti2011
      @aatiti2011 2 роки тому +7

      😂😂😂

    • @gills77
      @gills77 2 роки тому +37

      @zuze owned JJ with pettiness, yeah, but definitely not with logic, lol..... He says he's paying James Harden 60 mil when Harden's 37. Huh?!

    • @aniselola3547
      @aniselola3547 2 роки тому

      @zuze "owned" jj? he's literally just trolling with stupidity.

    • @matthewknight2835
      @matthewknight2835 2 роки тому +9

      @zuze must've watched a different video lmao, JJ debunked every point he tried making Pat got son'd

    • @AMaidenlessRunt
      @AMaidenlessRunt 2 роки тому +3

      To be honest Pat is trolling.

  • @kimstuart7989
    @kimstuart7989 2 роки тому +574

    Shout out to the moderator. Amazing time and controlling the flow of conversation with these 2 IS NOT an easy task!

    • @docholiday1463
      @docholiday1463 2 роки тому +31

      He was absolutely amazing I agree

    • @michaelperez3657
      @michaelperez3657 2 роки тому +10

      forreal. idk why but espn moderators always have annoying voices for whatever reason, but I can listen to him forever.

    • @deezal25fuel
      @deezal25fuel 2 роки тому +7

      Absolutely, way to acknowledge that.

    • @dominick366
      @dominick366 Рік тому

      I concur

  • @Bfitzgerald82
    @Bfitzgerald82 2 роки тому +748

    Loving Pat and JJ going back and forth. So refreshing having intelligent and bold players talking. love this.

    • @mr.ronaldlawrence1231
      @mr.ronaldlawrence1231 2 роки тому +18

      Pat is providing the honest current player perspective that keeps up with the business of the NBA.

    • @eamcbmsc
      @eamcbmsc 2 роки тому +8

      @@mr.ronaldlawrence1231 he’s giving his perspective. There is varying thoughts in the league.

    • @dw4270
      @dw4270 2 роки тому +115

      I'm not saying Pat is dumb but everything he said here was extremely dumb

    • @rd.2670
      @rd.2670 2 роки тому +37

      @@dw4270 Agree Agree Agree. Pat is only speaking as a friend and former teammate of James Harden. No logic whatsoever.

    • @BlackDeadpoolEarth2046
      @BlackDeadpoolEarth2046 2 роки тому +3

      Nerds on here so freakin corny

  • @jeffhuang5061
    @jeffhuang5061 2 роки тому +159

    6:03 sums it up perfectly. Pat believes players should be paid based on past performances, regardless of their prospects of delivering results in the future. JJ believes players should be paid based on the expected results that they would bring within the next 4-5 years.

    • @fukyofeelings7228
      @fukyofeelings7228 2 роки тому +4

      That's why u have stipulations in contracts give him Max but with stipulations on performance and wins or championship deliveries

    • @loicy.4004
      @loicy.4004 2 роки тому +21

      So based on CP3 arrival in Sun they have been top team does CP3 deserve the super max ? Lol Bev opinions are laughable it’s pure feelings

    • @andrewbathish9265
      @andrewbathish9265 2 роки тому +2

      Jj is right

    • @thslim2593
      @thslim2593 Рік тому +3

      nah, pat bev is saying that harden has proved he has the ability to play at a level that deserves a supermax contract. He shouldn't be penalized contract wise because he morphed his game to let people like maxey tobias and embiid play better on offense

    • @leonardoyi3183
      @leonardoyi3183 Рік тому

      that's one of the most stupid answers pat beverly gave on that discussion...Unless you are some kind of royalty to that team, as kobe was to the lakers, that was one of the most stupid answers i have heard...

  • @eddiewash2k
    @eddiewash2k 2 роки тому +75

    Pat just cappin. I love JJ. He is so real. And he is speaking facts. You don’t pay Robin a super max.

  • @justinhyliu5763
    @justinhyliu5763 2 роки тому +157

    Is James Harden holding Pat Bev's family as hostage?! Why is Pat spitting words like a crazy man?

    • @FreeOnGoal
      @FreeOnGoal 2 роки тому +29

      Nah, it's because they both hate Chris Paul!

    • @elizabethjean2709
      @elizabethjean2709 2 роки тому +1

      🤣

    • @quincythomas9944
      @quincythomas9944 2 роки тому +3

      @@FreeOnGoal oh Fr 😭😂

    • @eddycantu5354
      @eddycantu5354 2 роки тому +10

      Do you not know they were teammates for so many years?

    • @Alex-yl4mr
      @Alex-yl4mr 2 роки тому +5

      Bev said Harden and him are close so he's trying to get his guy another big payday😭

  • @MisticStyles
    @MisticStyles 2 роки тому +262

    Good chemistry with these guys and they are both still new in their analyst roles. They are respectful but still aren't afraid to challenge one another and they will only continue to get better. Huge props to ESPN for putting effort in to right the ship after the Max Kellerman and Rachel Nichols debacles.

    • @erikkelley412
      @erikkelley412 2 роки тому +1

      what max kellerman do?

    • @MisticStyles
      @MisticStyles 2 роки тому +16

      @@erikkelley412 They moved him off of First Take and it spurred up some controversy because Max is one of the GOATs but they bowed to SAS's demands even though Max is smarter and more level headed than SAS.

    • @BHH71700
      @BHH71700 2 роки тому

      @@MisticStyles I dont believe SAS wanted max out....no proof to back that claim

    • @MisticStyles
      @MisticStyles 2 роки тому +2

      @@BHH71700 Uh... Except he admitted it publicly.

    • @erikkelley412
      @erikkelley412 2 роки тому +6

      @@MisticStyles Ah i see i see. Wouldn't really call that a debacle just someone moving on to a new opportunity. Kind of odd that you would put his name in the same sentence as Rachel Nichols who was shown to be on the edge with her racist comments. They are completely unrelated. Stating there names together gives people the wrong image of Max Kellerman that's all.

  • @ray_of_sunshine917
    @ray_of_sunshine917 2 роки тому +67

    Pat Bev motto is
    “All Boats Rise When The Tide Comes In”
    When teams just start giving away Supermax deals the next tier gets over paid also. This is Pat is looking out for his own interest.

    • @GrimeBot-io7ho
      @GrimeBot-io7ho 2 роки тому

      Nice take.

    • @mwp7181
      @mwp7181 2 роки тому

      Didn't think of that. Good point.

    • @DTS_I
      @DTS_I 2 роки тому

      Yeah but who’s gonna go out of their way to give Pat a contract?

    • @ray_of_sunshine917
      @ray_of_sunshine917 2 роки тому +1

      @@DTS_I He is currently in the 1st year of a 3 year $40 million dollar contract.
      But I know he’s thinking about his next contract as he should.

    • @DTS_I
      @DTS_I 2 роки тому

      @@ray_of_sunshine917 if anything he’ll just get a contract just like that or less.

  • @christophersullivan3393
    @christophersullivan3393 2 роки тому +40

    This is like watching your Dad argue argue with your drunk Uncle on your mom's side during Thanksgiving 😂😂😂😂

    • @ph_hacker_d
      @ph_hacker_d Рік тому +2

      Best description. Makes you wanna grab popcorn 😂

    • @KJVDaniel1.17
      @KJVDaniel1.17 Рік тому +2

      That was hella accurate loool

  • @chie2610
    @chie2610 2 роки тому +490

    What PatBev fails to see is that YOU CANNOT RUN A BUSINESS BASED OFF OF SENTIMENTS. Max dollars require max output and that is not Harden right now. Let him opt in, watch him for a year then go from there but to pay someone so unpredictable that amount of money till he is 37 is just going to be the dumbest thing ever from a business stand point.

    • @treyneal8837
      @treyneal8837 2 роки тому

      Lol this is hilarious... businesses are run by individuals(humans) who are flawed. Any business decision made there will be some sort of algorithm or reasoning to back it up but that doesn't mean buisnesses dont make decisions based on sentiment. They do it all the time(and tell the lil guys, "The reason behind this is x+y=hi" and they eat it up..

    • @One_Preacher
      @One_Preacher 2 роки тому +18

      Harden is on his way outta this league
      No défense, inability to show up in the biggest games

    • @MrMaples1996
      @MrMaples1996 2 роки тому +2

      I mean what can you really do? The position they are in Joel's entering his prime. Window is closing especially with injuries. Harden isn't the same, but he does put up numbers. Sure bad or good whatever. Still doesn't solve their bench issue + their wing problems with Thybulle being a liability. Nobodies gonna trade for Harden soo what can you do?

    • @bdotkakarot794
      @bdotkakarot794 2 роки тому +13

      hes just trying to get james paid he dont really believe that

    • @chie2610
      @chie2610 2 роки тому +7

      @@MrMaples1996 you don’t even need to trade Harden. Keep him there, give him 160 over 4 years instead of that 270, use the rest of the money to invest in free agents or something else. But to double down and pour money into a man who is getting out played by Maxey is wild!

  • @TheKeepItRealNetwork
    @TheKeepItRealNetwork 2 роки тому +304

    These two definitely gonna have a show together 😂

    • @boneless9311
      @boneless9311 2 роки тому +105

      Pb & JJ

    • @Caparisplato
      @Caparisplato 2 роки тому +27

      @@boneless9311 u a genius bro. Go into tv or sumn

    • @elastic774
      @elastic774 2 роки тому

      No cause bev I s good at time s but a idiot and ignorant most of the time

    • @tailoredfor831
      @tailoredfor831 2 роки тому +13

      @@boneless9311 that was actually good... I don't usually give out compliments.. but you just actually accomplished something in life

    • @Capothekid
      @Capothekid 2 роки тому +5

      @@boneless9311 you won. You’re amazing

  • @andrewbrandenburg3842
    @andrewbrandenburg3842 Рік тому +2

    JJ is the best thing that’s happened to ESPN! Only person worth listening to his opinion!

  • @nickdo1724
    @nickdo1724 2 роки тому +37

    “What Robin is getting the super max” JJ too funny and spittin facts😹😹

    • @Godson0771
      @Godson0771 2 роки тому

      😂😂😂💯💯💯

    • @day._5k
      @day._5k Рік тому +1

      Paul George, Kyrie Irving, Draymond, Jaylen Brown, Russ in OKC, Dwade, it’s plenty of people 😂

  • @theloniousvic
    @theloniousvic 2 роки тому +326

    Im just glad somebody is standing strong on their opinion whether others feel its wrong or not! This what i wanna see on ESPN 💪🏽

    • @realamerican8069
      @realamerican8069 2 роки тому +20

      I couldn’t pinpoint it but you hit it on the nose! The nba players will takeover ESPN! The commentary from players and ex players is leagues above the talking heads!

    • @teamgreats4084
      @teamgreats4084 2 роки тому +4

      FACTS.... Not to mention Pat Bev was a thousand percent right

    • @anthonyjones3526
      @anthonyjones3526 2 роки тому +1

      You are so right! Thank you for putting it into words

    • @RayMon504
      @RayMon504 2 роки тому +24

      But he's wrong here. You're out of your mind if you give Harden the max.

    • @teamgreats4084
      @teamgreats4084 2 роки тому

      @@RayMon504 if Philly don't give him the max somebody else would, therefore Philly will lose him for nothing, only a dummy would not pay him the money you just traded everything to get him, pay him his money common sense

  • @pduke770
    @pduke770 2 роки тому +109

    Get him JJ! So much fun watching PBev! Love watching these two go at it

  • @pv25
    @pv25 2 роки тому +36

    The difference between JJ and Pat Bev’s logical consistency and ability to form and defend an argument is staggering.

    • @tarico4436
      @tarico4436 Рік тому

      Ever'body seemed to forget the "fannies in the seats" factor. A dinosaur in LA is a shell of his former "King" self, yet he's getting the super max. What you've done in the past DOES bring another fanny or two to the arena.

    • @pv25
      @pv25 Рік тому

      @@tarico4436 And see how well that’s working out for the Lakers? You’re disproving your own point.

    • @thebiglebrowski3695
      @thebiglebrowski3695 Рік тому +2

      @@tarico4436 Wait what? LeBron went 30/8/6 on 52% shooting and was 4th in PER and he is a shell of his former self? Gtfoh with that BS

  • @kicrocks
    @kicrocks Рік тому

    this is refreshing banter from actual players. love it

  • @willn8664
    @willn8664 2 роки тому +118

    Seeing JJ heated you almost forget that he actually had Pat Bev on his podcast awhile ago.

    • @legendarygreat1064
      @legendarygreat1064 2 роки тому +14

      ay this comment here 😭😭😭💀

    • @michaelchambers55
      @michaelchambers55 2 роки тому +11

      He had him on there twice lol

    • @DavidGarcia-on9gn
      @DavidGarcia-on9gn 2 роки тому +4

      JJ is very prepared. Using Pat Bev’s famous word JJ DESTROYED him in this segment

    • @rhoward0006
      @rhoward0006 2 роки тому

      Wow 😂

    • @HARRY__Pecker
      @HARRY__Pecker 2 роки тому +4

      Lol they’re friends. They played together for years.

  • @raypurchase155
    @raypurchase155 2 роки тому +41

    JJ looks like he wants to kill Pat Bev 😭

    • @outzic
      @outzic 2 роки тому +1

      Lmao Pat bev isn’t concerned about JJ 😂

    • @heavylit1760
      @heavylit1760 2 роки тому +7

      @@outzic Matt Barnes is looking for him in the parking lot after work

    • @secretsavant-
      @secretsavant- 2 роки тому +1

      JJ doesn't keep his composure very well. Pat Bev is an expert at annoying opponents. JJ should know that since he's so smart.

    • @secretsavant-
      @secretsavant- 2 роки тому +1

      @Israel Diaz I'm certainly not as fast as your mother.

    • @secretsavant-
      @secretsavant- 2 роки тому

      @Israel Diaz And you're on UA-cam. Must be referring to yourself, slowman. ⛄️

  • @richardsong7732
    @richardsong7732 2 роки тому +2

    Pat Bev has the mentality of running the organization like a player. Players protecting players, which he should do. But it also goes to show why former players usually don't become good coaches and/or GMs. However, as for television, Pat and JJ are gold. They are great. JJ is such a rock and so grounded. Pat Bev is such a pest on and off the court. Love it. He challenges those around him and keeps them accountable to what they're saying.

  • @livingBIG1
    @livingBIG1 2 роки тому +1

    This exchange and duo is amazing

  • @arafatsiyez972
    @arafatsiyez972 2 роки тому +63

    Agree with JJ. If he was a franchise player a la Kobe/Dirk/Duncan, then its okay to pay the max. Neither his ability nor he is a franchise player to get a max contract. Hate Bev on the court and now on TV. He even disrespected CP today 🤦🤦🤦

  • @jessefairbloom9914
    @jessefairbloom9914 2 роки тому +16

    Patrick Beverly is coming for Ryan Hollins spot as work player-analyst in the last decade

  • @ChillRichard
    @ChillRichard 2 роки тому

    this moderator did such a great job.
    cause usually some moderators either switch topics or cut people off, but he stir the conversation so both players were allowed to speak

  • @alexpegiadis98
    @alexpegiadis98 2 роки тому

    Just amazing for real Pat and JJ if you read this.Thank you both for this discussion and thanks to the cordinator for keeping the right pace amazing job from all of you.Also my point of view is closer to JJ but understand Pats view.Both views intresting and was nice to hear them!!!!

  • @christopherfiles3231
    @christopherfiles3231 2 роки тому +38

    This is how you know pat bev was in his feels about Chris plus he’s trying to defend James Harden’s performance

    • @jaimeosorio7099
      @jaimeosorio7099 2 роки тому +1

      No his point is that Harden gets slandered for scoring 22-10-8 but CP always gets a pass when he chokes in the playoffs.

    • @gringoboy701
      @gringoboy701 2 роки тому +8

      @@jaimeosorio7099 Harden always chokes in playoffs and always made much more than Chris Paul whats your point? You'd have to be straight up feminine in your feelings to give Harden a max contract at this point especially since he quit on 3 teams in a row.

    • @DavidGarcia-on9gn
      @DavidGarcia-on9gn 2 роки тому +1

      @@jaimeosorio7099 did you see Harden in the playoffs? He did not average nothing near that

    • @Kahnsie
      @Kahnsie 2 роки тому +2

      Paul made the finals last year…

    • @jaimeosorio7099
      @jaimeosorio7099 2 роки тому +1

      @@gringoboy701 and CP3 has the most 2-0 leads blown ever .. one gets slandered constantly with people saying he doesn’t deserve a max contract while the other gets called the “point god”

  • @talkmurda1502
    @talkmurda1502 2 роки тому +41

    Pat defending off the court 2🤣

  • @kevhughes1981
    @kevhughes1981 2 роки тому

    I really Pat, he has this way of thinking about things, breaking it down, it's refreshing

  • @murktee
    @murktee Рік тому

    Needed this

  • @ryansabo4547
    @ryansabo4547 2 роки тому +8

    Pat bev really gave no argument for why Harden deserves it. It really just boils down to "just cuz"

    • @Josh11howard
      @Josh11howard 2 роки тому +4

      22 10 8 is his argument name another player putting up those numbers…. jokic lol

    • @StayTru101
      @StayTru101 2 роки тому

      He gave numbers idiot.

    • @reasedogable
      @reasedogable 2 роки тому

      @@Josh11howard 😂

  • @cameralips73
    @cameralips73 2 роки тому +76

    My respect for JJ just shot up. I love when people put Pat Bev in his place

    • @bingo8789
      @bingo8789 2 роки тому +7

      He didn't 😄🤫🤫

    • @secretsavant-
      @secretsavant- 2 роки тому +1

      No, JJ should go run the Sixers since he obviously has a monopoly on logic.

    • @geno8246
      @geno8246 2 роки тому

      @@Chris.41 bruh what world you in, what had Steph accomplished at the time they payed him super max? ALOT. He was definitely well deserved leading up to now and steph wasn’t 37 when they payed him. Like James harden is and he’s won nothing compared to Steph Smh

    • @rickmason6157
      @rickmason6157 2 роки тому

      @@Chris.41 Steph don't vanish in the playoffs and he got RINGS!!!!!!

  • @asphyxiafeeling
    @asphyxiafeeling 2 роки тому

    I like the honest back and forth. Not like the fake debates on other shows

  • @Vaultboy50s
    @Vaultboy50s 2 роки тому +3

    Love how JJ came at him. Awesome!

  • @HitmanEF
    @HitmanEF 2 роки тому +27

    Beverly asks questions to deflect time from him. This isnt for him

    • @edwincollins5847
      @edwincollins5847 2 роки тому +2

      He didn’t deflect though. It was a question to further his argument. Because he was going to compare their productions against harden.

    • @simonbaribeau4853
      @simonbaribeau4853 2 роки тому

      Beverley doesnt asks questions.. He axes them

    • @tristanmeadows
      @tristanmeadows Рік тому

      @@edwincollins5847 it didnt further his argument there is multiple players at or above hardens skill (fantastic players) that arnt paid supermax currently. JJ instantly pointed that out

    • @edwincollins5847
      @edwincollins5847 Рік тому

      @@tristanmeadows I think you need to listen to the video again. You can hear PaT bev making the case that what harden was able to do prior in his career should give reason on why he should get the max and as we as what his average currently is. As far as other players. JJ reddick mentioned tray young. He will get his as well. His time will come when it’s time to renegotiate his contract

  • @michaelgant584
    @michaelgant584 2 роки тому +36

    JJ letting Pat Bev know. 👍🏽

    • @skletory
      @skletory 2 роки тому

      Dude not 37 he’s 33

  • @StevenChou1984
    @StevenChou1984 2 роки тому

    Love the animosity

  • @OILDHANS8841
    @OILDHANS8841 2 роки тому

    This is a good debate 👌

  • @cruzrose5645
    @cruzrose5645 2 роки тому +18

    James Harden has been disappearing in the playoff for years and he did it again. He gives up on his team so no he doesn’t deserve the Supermax. That’s the only reason he was taken to Philly, perform and get them over the him in the playoffs!
    At least don’t give up !

    • @narcoticlilac6588
      @narcoticlilac6588 2 роки тому

      well it's confusing because based on the statement
      He's gonna get the supermax at age 37
      But he is 32 so is he gonna take 5 years to prove his worth?

  • @edwinrivera5009
    @edwinrivera5009 2 роки тому +8

    JJ won this debate by a mile 🔥

  • @pavelkardash
    @pavelkardash Рік тому +2

    I like the heat those two bring to the debate!!!

  • @1chrismelody
    @1chrismelody 2 роки тому

    This was a good dialogue… I could watch this group everyday

  • @skang9503
    @skang9503 2 роки тому +18

    The problem is not his avg. it’s how the avg happens- he goes 29-35 then drops to 10-15 the next game - what are u paying for if ur player offers absolute no consistency??

    • @pastapapi9768
      @pastapapi9768 2 роки тому

      The owners need to start acting like the players need the NBA and not the NBA needs the players

    • @blackclover4375
      @blackclover4375 2 роки тому +1

      @@pastapapi9768 nah, wrong take. There are now too many multimillionaire NBA players with connections. LBJ, the two MJs to name a few. For sure, people like jay-z beyonce to name a few other rich people that would support the players to establish another NBA. The NBA needs the superstars for sure, not the other way around. Best example is LBJ and the cavs. Cavs needed LBJ more than LBJ needed the savs.

    • @tribalypredisposed
      @tribalypredisposed 2 роки тому +1

      Nah. The problems is he is averaging those points on really bad efficiency. Most blocked volume shooter in the NBA this season with over 9% of his attempts being blocked, 33% from 3, one of the highest turnover averages in the league, and not good on defense to put it mildly. It is okay in the regular season but it kills your team in the playoffs when defense matters more.

    • @pastapapi9768
      @pastapapi9768 2 роки тому +3

      @@blackclover4375 They've been trying that with the NFL, the #1 sport in America, and the companies either fail or no one watches. More money in football than in the NBA.
      No way they could form another league AND Americans are not sports fans like say in Europe where you have 2-3 divisions for soccer and fans show out and show up. Wouldn't work here.... #1 cause of the money it would take and #2 cause of the American fans.

    • @r.brumfield6244
      @r.brumfield6244 2 роки тому +1

      @@blackclover4375 You clearly have no idea how much it cost to run a basketball franchise. Jay-z and beyonce might be worth a billion, but that don't mean they're willing to spend most of their wealth on basketball. The NBA brand is bigger than any superstar today including Lebron.

  • @MusicWorldVNT
    @MusicWorldVNT 2 роки тому +68

    Pat is trying to look out for this buddy but he’s wrong here… Harden is done being the same killer Harden because of the rule change. He don’t get to the foul line that easy anymore. If I’m the Sixers I’m shipping him out for other young stars and give Maxey the money.

    • @pointgod2_
      @pointgod2_ 2 роки тому +3

      It’s not cause no rule change harden is a lot slower than he was in Houston. He only scoring less cause he out of shape. The deciding factor on if he worth the money is if he will take care of his body

    • @tundedaboss
      @tundedaboss 2 роки тому +4

      It doesn’t matter if he’s regressed from Houston harden. His production even in a off year still is worthy of a super max.

    • @GrimeBot-io7ho
      @GrimeBot-io7ho 2 роки тому +2

      As long as Daryl Morey is in charge, he'll give Harden not only a supermax, but the keys to his house, and he'll even suck the sweat out of his beard like a baby deer nursing.

    • @toddpacker1015
      @toddpacker1015 2 роки тому +1

      @@pointgod2_ It's because of the rule change. He can't bait as many fouls thus defenders can guard him closer hence lower 3 point percentage.

    • @pointgod2_
      @pointgod2_ 2 роки тому +1

      Bro harden is just slower go watch games instead of listening to media takes. He shooting freethrows at a high rate still. He is literally just way slower than he was a couple years ago. He just out of shape so he got no legs too shoot a step back three at a high percentage.

  • @robertrobinson1454
    @robertrobinson1454 2 роки тому

    Love the loyalty of Pat.

  • @KedIsKeenSports
    @KedIsKeenSports 2 роки тому +3

    Wow Pat and JJ going at it is simply dope!! I want More! More! 😂

  • @awesomemonkey4965
    @awesomemonkey4965 2 роки тому +34

    Pat is delusional 😂 glad he ain’t running a team

  • @darrius751
    @darrius751 2 роки тому +47

    Better dialogue, better takes with ACTUAL athletes.

  • @robdoms45123
    @robdoms45123 2 роки тому +13

    Russel Westbrook at 32 playing for the Wizard averaged 22-12-12. That’s better than Harden. Are we all in agreement that Russ deserves his current $44M at 33 and we should also extend Russ with a super max to earn $60M+ at the age of 37/38?

    • @watchmyshoes22
      @watchmyshoes22 2 роки тому +2

      FACTS!!!!!

    • @Molly-rq9gi
      @Molly-rq9gi 2 роки тому +2

      Bottom line is harden bought this on himself with that lackluster play in the playoff series

    • @narcoticlilac6588
      @narcoticlilac6588 2 роки тому

      So harden is 32 rn so the assumption is he'll be with Philly for 5 years I definitely think he could preform better in 5+ years for a supermax I wish the NBA had like a prove it deal so he could show his skills and earn up to it

    • @robdoms45123
      @robdoms45123 Рік тому

      @@narcoticlilac6588 You can do exactly that right now. He opts in but Sixers don’t offer any extension. If he plays well in his final year (next season) then consider the option.

    • @watchmyshoes22
      @watchmyshoes22 Рік тому

      @@narcoticlilac6588 He's only going to get worse not better. Also his next year of opting in is literally a prove it deal lol. If he plays well (supermax well) next season he'll likely be signed to a 4 year supermax.

  • @jaredwise9751
    @jaredwise9751 2 роки тому

    "I feel like it did doe..." lol, cracked me up bro

  • @wr066
    @wr066 2 роки тому +12

    It is true that a player --especially as it relates to their work ethics and desired or 'intentional' work output-- deserves any due compensation; yet, no one truly has the right to claim that a person is continually due money when they, that person does not have 'intentional', ethical work output. Simply put: unless you are receiving due disabled or retirement income, it's all about "Due Play for Due Pay. WR

    • @wr066
      @wr066 2 роки тому +1

      @@Chris.41 The problem exists when a professional athlete expects to be paid in full for not intentionally performing or 'playing for pay' (this applies to: James Harden, Kyrie Irving, Ben Simmons and the like...); however, as with Curry, he deserves all of his due money because the brother has always had a desire and intent to play to his fullest. Thus, that is the difference, It applies as/when someone desires or have the intent on providing their fullest effort for receiving any of their due income.

    • @justinfromsg8539
      @justinfromsg8539 Рік тому

      @@wr066 Totally well put my friend. This qualitative traits also has an effect on other players, which is why the GSW are in the conference finals; you have fringe players looking up to curry, and being elevated to a higher level. So whilst curry averages 25/5/6, the overall points he generates when he plays is higher. GSW acknowledges the overall impact he has on the organization, which is why Harden was used as a discussion on whether he deservers supermax and not Curry, because it is obvious to the the GSWs org and everyone else that he deserves it.

  • @Paul-fs8ox
    @Paul-fs8ox 2 роки тому +77

    I just flat out wouldn’t want harden on my team. He’s about to become the next Westbrook/Melo. Someone is gonna overpay him and then nobody will want him once he’s a liability. He lowkey was already that with Philly, in that Miami series he wasn’t trying and was a turnstile on defense. He made them worse when he was out there other than one game.

    • @presidentresident
      @presidentresident 2 роки тому +4

      He's the definition of doing less with more. Terrible attitude. Basically wants a championship hand delivered to him while he stays comfortable. No willingness to go out on his shield

    • @miguelortega3027
      @miguelortega3027 2 роки тому +1

      As much as I don't like harden I would say he's the next westbrook unlike them he actually changed his game to become more of a facilitator regardless if his scoring declined he changed the way he plays but still

    • @magmax76
      @magmax76 2 роки тому

      "Once" he's a liability..🤔

  • @bayandampanza5648
    @bayandampanza5648 2 роки тому +2

    I've been watching this guy since he came in these shows. Something is off about him, he's not the type to argue with. Just agree and continue seeing things your way.

  • @surbhitjain3848
    @surbhitjain3848 2 роки тому

    4:10 “thats my firm believe”. Lmao dude

  • @HezzyEastside
    @HezzyEastside 2 роки тому +12

    There's a reason you don't just let players vote for all teams or listen to all there opinions. They biased AF.

    • @VladimirElliot
      @VladimirElliot 2 роки тому

      If the entirety of players voted, there wouldn’t be bias. What are you talking about? Majority rules

    • @HezzyEastside
      @HezzyEastside 2 роки тому +2

      @@VladimirElliot players have there friends and the guys they hate. Just look at pat bev these last two days.

  • @KreyzAim
    @KreyzAim 2 роки тому +17

    Harden is a liability no matter which way you slice it. The super max should only be pertained to the guys who is THE GUY in a playoffs matchup. Harden is a season player.

    • @MagicEmpireTV
      @MagicEmpireTV 2 роки тому

      I agree with you but he sells tickets and last time I checked it was 82 games n the season n he have a lot of fans so he should get paid if nor from a performance standpoint from the money his star makes it for the organization so he should be paid of that n entertainment you get paid because of your fan base not your production or skill and sports are entertainment

  • @fitzgerald434
    @fitzgerald434 2 роки тому

    This is the barbershop/chillin with the homies argument. Sports shows need this authenticity like this

  • @rezasanjari3305
    @rezasanjari3305 2 роки тому +1

    “Go run the 76’ers “ loool jj is gold and sticking to it 🤣🤣🤣

  • @ricwood5506
    @ricwood5506 2 роки тому +30

    Bev definitely is in love with Harden. He's so delusional with his take on Harden

    • @ky7e619
      @ky7e619 2 роки тому +13

      They're homies.

    • @StayTru101
      @StayTru101 2 роки тому +2

      He’s right. Y’all just be hating on the beard

    • @elliotthonduras1164
      @elliotthonduras1164 2 роки тому

      Sorry bev you just sound bad just like lebron as a gm

    • @Facedamusic
      @Facedamusic 2 роки тому +2

      Former teammates

    • @zero3644
      @zero3644 2 роки тому

      @@StayTru101 the beard is trash get over it

  • @heavylit1760
    @heavylit1760 2 роки тому +5

    1:37 1:52
    JJ is a dawg..don't forget it

  • @lestergarcia247
    @lestergarcia247 2 роки тому +1

    Get em BEV "that's what yes means" 😆🤣😂😹💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

  • @philcoats6812
    @philcoats6812 2 роки тому +1

    Pat Bev is the best teammate ever.
    He on your team, even when he ain't on your team!

  • @dopeconcepts1607
    @dopeconcepts1607 2 роки тому +24

    Pat is a trap!
    JJ is my favorite analyst right now. Real! Articulate. Intelligent! Assertive yet proper.

    • @secretsavant-
      @secretsavant- 2 роки тому

      White...

    • @xx_z.bruh_xx6916
      @xx_z.bruh_xx6916 2 роки тому

      @@secretsavant- he is more of a beige but idk what that has to do with stating arguments that are backed up with facts

    • @secretsavant-
      @secretsavant- 2 роки тому

      @@xx_z.bruh_xx6916 He definitely wasn't proper, as his ad hominem statement that Pat Bev should go run the Sixers was unprofessional and could be turned on him since he seems to have all the answers.

    • @secretsavant-
      @secretsavant- 2 роки тому

      @@xx_z.bruh_xx6916 Clearly he is a white male.

    • @xx_z.bruh_xx6916
      @xx_z.bruh_xx6916 2 роки тому

      @@secretsavant- the only the thing that is clear is that the pot is calling the kettle black

  • @Jamalright
    @Jamalright 2 роки тому +3

    JJ and Pat is amazing😂😂JJ boutta throw the gloves on

  • @juanpa548
    @juanpa548 2 роки тому +1

    Pat is like: "I’m akxin.. I’m akxin.. 🤣😂

  • @TheAdelgado1987
    @TheAdelgado1987 Рік тому +1

    I love how jj gets soo pissed lol

  • @brodericksimpson6049
    @brodericksimpson6049 2 роки тому +16

    "He's my friend and he used to be great so destroy your franchise, run off Joel Embiid and give him the supermax".

    • @Josh11howard
      @Josh11howard 2 роки тому

      No he’s saying in a nice way sign janes and get rid of Tobias

  • @bowtiebann9630
    @bowtiebann9630 2 роки тому +12

    JJ keeps it 💯

  • @anthonysimpson4084
    @anthonysimpson4084 2 роки тому

    Yoooow espn is smart for having these 2 players on tv. I am enjoying it

  • @Ps3kingist
    @Ps3kingist Рік тому +1

    when think about it in the eyes of the player though, I have to agree with Pat Beverly wholeheartedly. If I’m averaging 22 Ppg / 10 Ast / and 8 rebounds. Id want a max/supermax as well

  • @realamerican8069
    @realamerican8069 2 роки тому +6

    Good debate! Should’ve been a longer segment!

  • @rusty111fire
    @rusty111fire 2 роки тому +21

    agree or disagree with him, but Pat Bev is pure entertainment 😂 would love to see him be a regular once he retires

  • @debussychopin2766
    @debussychopin2766 2 роки тому

    Patbev and jj after the shoot be all huggin and fist-bumpin and laughin "we gonna do this again??" "You betcha bro!"

  • @badabada8530
    @badabada8530 2 роки тому

    Pat and JJ are perfect together .👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @LegendaryBeanBurrito
    @LegendaryBeanBurrito 2 роки тому +3

    JJ out here getting heated 😂💀

  • @Nerdmatic
    @Nerdmatic 2 роки тому +16

    If The Rockets would have beat The Warriors the 2nd time around this wouldn’t even be a question. It’s comes down to HOW he went out during those loses.

    • @oa8294
      @oa8294 2 роки тому

      Nah bro, even if he had won that how can you pay a guy when he couldn’t take more than 2 shots in a close out game?

  • @dman357
    @dman357 2 роки тому

    This was a good debate

  • @lambertedl
    @lambertedl 2 роки тому

    Pat Bev is something else, ha. I love seeing the two different perspectives.

  • @mkg5048
    @mkg5048 2 роки тому +3

    Pat is absolutely right, If Embiid wasn't injured and played to his beast mode potential James Harden would not be hit so hard, He's not Batman anymore and Embiid would not be happy if Harden was Batman, it's that simple, which one do we want.

    • @aleksandar2919
      @aleksandar2919 2 роки тому +1

      that doesnt mean that Harden deserve super max . Why would anyone that money for Robin and plus he us proven choker in PO . If thay pay him super max Embiid need to run away qucikly from Phili

    • @mkg5048
      @mkg5048 2 роки тому

      @@aleksandar2919 Proven Choker!!! People consider the KD GSW the greatest team of all-time, He took them too a game 7 when LeBron got swept, He then took them too a game 6 the very next year and all he had was Cp3 who gets injured all the time, You tell me who can beat the GSW healthy at 100% it's no one. Harden had Westbrook!! Really!!! The man plays a Batman 2 roll, What Robin you know can average 22-8-10??? Exactly

  • @benjamindavid6089
    @benjamindavid6089 2 роки тому +8

    This is total gibberish. I'm from Philly and he took TWO shots in the second half and showed no interest in working hard. If Philly gave him the super max and he continues to perform like that???? 🤔

    • @PengxueYG
      @PengxueYG 2 роки тому +1

      imagine if morey is as crazy as pat and gives him the max....you give him the max I guarantee joel is gonna leave

    • @teamgreats4084
      @teamgreats4084 2 роки тому

      Sent you from Philly How about you let us know when was a mid season trade with a Star PLAYER made and that team made the finals???

    • @benjamindavid6089
      @benjamindavid6089 2 роки тому

      @@teamgreats4084 mount mutumbo

    • @skletory
      @skletory 2 роки тому

      It’s literally doc plans. He addressed it in a interview

    • @teamgreats4084
      @teamgreats4084 2 роки тому

      @@benjamindavid6089 🤥🤥🤥

  • @peytonlong5573
    @peytonlong5573 2 роки тому

    Pat the perfect analyst honestly he doesn’t budge and says what he what he feels is right can’t really hate on that

  • @FF-om7rb
    @FF-om7rb 2 роки тому

    This was very entertaining! =)😄

  • @rick_thunder
    @rick_thunder 2 роки тому +5

    5:38 Right here, Pat Bev thinks that the goal is to win the argument. The goal is to get to the truth even if both of them agree. Harden is not worth a Supermax as his age and with his skills beginning to decline. Father Time is undefeated. There is no way that Philly should pay Harden for what he did in Houston. That makes no sense. Also, Harden doesn’t play defense. He needs to at least put in the effort.

  • @ISpeakGuapenese
    @ISpeakGuapenese 2 роки тому +8

    GET PAT BEV ON TV IMMEDIATELY! HIM AND JJ ON A SHOW WOULD BE GOLD !

  • @thekanthalkid4273
    @thekanthalkid4273 2 роки тому

    Pat is a straight up W he needs his own show with JJ when he's done ballin

  • @Nyfancam01
    @Nyfancam01 2 роки тому +1

    I'm a MAJOR UNC fan but I 1 million percent agree with JJ here

  • @babyfacelatino8562
    @babyfacelatino8562 2 роки тому +6

    Why is Pat still talking bro??

  • @jackaburrow3032
    @jackaburrow3032 2 роки тому +37

    I like pat on the show but it’s so clear his takes are extremely biased

    • @jackaburrow3032
      @jackaburrow3032 2 роки тому +5

      @Israel Diaz huh?

    • @luckybuckeye2283
      @luckybuckeye2283 2 роки тому +4

      There’s proof to this statement - Lakers won a “Bubble Championship”, while he and the Clippers blew a 3-1 lead in the same bubble. The quote was on This Just In.

    • @stringer2295
      @stringer2295 2 роки тому +6

      Clearly biased, nobody with common sense would pay James Harden that after what we saw

    • @anonymouswarlord102
      @anonymouswarlord102 2 роки тому

      @Israel Diaz aint no mexicans in the nba cos they too small

    • @5koby4
      @5koby4 2 роки тому

      @Israel Diaz Don't know what your looking at but pat bev is definately not a white boy.

  • @sweetiemcgee
    @sweetiemcgee 2 роки тому +1

    I was all in with bevmo with his takes. What a refreshing pov. glad he's on espn. Then he discredits himself with his opinion on Harden.

  • @heyitsmedammit
    @heyitsmedammit 2 роки тому

    I could watch this a million times

  • @G.O.81
    @G.O.81 2 роки тому +4

    “We’re done, go run the 76ers” 😂

  • @dbuck2862
    @dbuck2862 2 роки тому +4

    PAT needs his own show on ESPN he is great for this and get these people heated, i would watch his show 24/7.. 🤣🤣🤣 and he speak facts.

    • @ygkemosabi8280
      @ygkemosabi8280 2 роки тому

      saying harden and draymond should get the supermax is not a fact...

    • @dbuck2862
      @dbuck2862 2 роки тому

      @@ygkemosabi8280 Harden should get a max. Dramond should get max. MAX contracts are based on team need not player needs if a team need them and feel they can reshape the direction of their team and help them win a championship they they offer the max to get them to play with them.
      Fans think player do not deserve max do not know sports. If a team need them it on the team to pay to keep that player or get them to join, and if a max will do it then they get the max contract.

  • @rellcapone2763
    @rellcapone2763 Рік тому

    Pat and JJ These two need a podcast together

  • @foyedaboy
    @foyedaboy 2 роки тому

    Good take Pat Bev 🔥🔥🔥