He could show him how 6'7 players had to actually jump for a dunk then. Now the rims are lower. Also loose rims and they made the FT line way closer around 2012. It's easy to see.
@@crashHypnotize JJ was great at what? U talking about college basketball? This was a debate about the nba. JJ's entitled to his opinion but he wasn't no great player 👎🏽
JJ never elevated any team to win a championship and he has the nerve to insult a whole era of basketball? JJ just needs to hang up the mic and enjoy the money.
mad dog is 100% right . ofc if you watch the games 40 years later on youtube your gonna see something different but jj is just a stat nerd, stats don't tell the whole story it's so disrespectful and i'm sick of it
He has the same takes except his eras takes all involve 2003-present. When the game shifts 10 years from now he will argue just like everyone else that that time he played was the greatest most skilled era ever and some kid will be like "Nah the Bryce James era was peak"
@@paulmccarthy4277 by this logic teams should just stop watching tape of their games to breakdown what was done well and what was done badly and just differ to those standing on the sidelines. This all comes down to one simple truth, you may have had a great feeling when you watched something live, but those feelings are not an accurate account of the facts of what happened. Facts don't care about your feelings!
@@joeknapp9162 JJ was clowning on a clown take. How is watching tape not valuable? NBA players would attend more games in person instead of spending hours in the media room, if watching tape didn't give the full picture. And JJ was being kind, he could easily have said, "well you may have been sitting in the stands, but I was on the court". Truth is, JJ actually knows what he is talking about, he's got the numbers and the knowledge to support his argument, Doggy is just a provocateur.
I think the point that Mad Dog is making is that the physicality of the 80s was a way of life for those players. You won’t get that from watching a clip. An 80’s player understands what the defender can do to interfere with his shot, the same way a modern player know what a defender in today’s game CANNOT do. The fouls called HUGELY affects the spacing on the floor. With the kind of space players today have, it’s less of a risk to shoot from range, that’s what Steph has exposed. In the 80’s you’d get defended, miss the shot, and then be ridiculed for taking a difficult shot and not passing to someone in the post.
Today’s players are bigger, stronger and faster than those before them. No serious person can dispute that. Because of that teams can switch anything and still have a good matchup.
@@jamesmclean5204 Athletes today benefit greatly from advanced systems and rules that protect them. The spacing on the floor helps them look faster, but at that level, all of the generations would have the top tier athletes of their respective times. The difference is the way the game is played. Durant would get locked up in the 90’s, and that gets proven when he goes up against physical defenders like Tatum. LeBron’s size would keep him battling the bigger guys in the paint because he does not have the finesse of Magic or Jordan. Teams can switch up because nobody really defends in todays NBA. Plus with the prominence of the 3 ball, the game has become way more one dimensional.
@@jaggedarts33 I think that's the key differentiator.. Mad Dog plays the role with a wink, as does Stephen A for the most part, and it's done as entertainment. It rarely seems personal in terms individual players (Kyrie and Stephen A not withstanding). Skip on the other hand has made his TV career on very personal, and relentless, criticism of individual players (Aikman, LeBron, T.O., etc.). It's also schtick, same as Mad Dog, but it doesn't feel the same.
Bird was a beast. A scenario always forgotten is one of sports greatest tragedies happening during Birds final years - we never got a chance to see him play along side Len Bias. If Bias didn’t die on his draft night and suited up for the Celtics, there is no telling how long that dynasty would have lasted. Certainly Bird could have extended his career and changed his game to be a “high volume” 3 ball shooter that JJ mentioned. But he never had that luxury and spent much of his final years dealing with the Bad Boys in the paint.
If Bird played today he would be one of the best if not the best 3 point shooter in the NBA. I love how we want to separate eras when it comes to comparing stats and defense but somehow era doesn't matter when it comes to shooting. JJ is silly, Bird is absolutely a top 5 shooter even though he doesn't have top 5 attempts and makes.
Yes, you're completely right. Mad Dog didn't articulate it very well, but the very fact that Larry wasn't a volume 3-point shooter and then could hit crucial 3s when required actually says more about his 3 point shooting than if you'd fired up 10 already in the game. And JJ's comment insinuating that his era was more physical than the 80s/90s is so utterly ridiculous - JJ wouldn't have survived in the league back then.
Because he wasn't the greatest shooter ever. He wasn't good enough to change the way the game was played from the 3. Doesn't mean he isn't a great shooter.
SAS in this stage of his career is looking at these segments on a producer stand point. he knows it's good tv, ain't no way he's gonna cut these 2 just to make his point..
He liked the fact Mad Dog told JJ wasn't alive and the physical play isn't the same as today so basically Mad dog and Stephen A doesn't like this generation of players in all reality
I like how JJ argues his points because like Max a long time ago, he’s always very logical with his arguments. But the only downside with his points is he outright ignores any type of flaw in the modern game. Even the slightest flaw. And he also ignores how the increased efficiency in offense is not simply due to players being better than decades ago, but that there’s also a factor of how rules and how games are officiated nowadays which greatly favors the offense. Heck you can even argue load management is also a factor. Load management was never a thing in the past. But now players get much more rest than before. JJ thinks the modern game is 100% better in everything. That’s JJ’s weakness.
You are very logical I wish we had more reasonable people like you on T.V. but I get it, if we have too many reasonable people like you on T.V. it would be boring. We need characters who are outlandish because that is what makes T.V. entertaining. It makes sense but it can be anoyying.
Players are better though. It's just factual. The average player of today is better than the average player of the nineties just like the average player of the 90s was better than the average player of the 60s. Sure there's other factors but players today are better and the league is better.
@@Zack_410 None of that is true. There has been extensive research over the years that debunks the belief that players get better with each era in sports. What is shown is technology, and nutrition gets better but not necessarily the player/athlete.
Larry Bird had Michael Cooper, Bobby Jones, and Dennis Rodman guarding him in those playoff series. Three of THE greatest defenders ever. Watched those games at the time as a kid, and I think the level of play was higher in the 80's and 90's. But especially high in the mid-late 80's before expansion hit and watered things down. These were college experience and hardened men coming into the league, and they played harder. I LOVE the NBA now to watch. But I just think it is not as high quality.
@@xerospades players are bigger, faster, stronger, and more skilled nowadays. the schemes are more complex and the international game has added another level to the competition.
Except the worst championship to watch ever was the Lakers and Pistons. Even Kobe said he was figuring out how to miss properly so they could play great defense. Worst game ever.
@@bossb1064 jj relies on being articulate, clean cut and numbers alone to be considered reliable. But he skews the relationship between facts and numbers. I think he does it purposefully. here is a quick example: JJ's logic: Modern shooters shoot a higher percentage than Bird and make more than Bird in total, so thus MUST be better than Bird. 👆👆 because the "numbers" say so right? JJ's logic mirrored: Modern day high school boys run faster and jump farther than Jesse Owens, so they too in turn, according to the "numbers" MUST be better than Jesse Owens right? Whenever comparing different eras, we have to consider the other variables: 1. importance of the 3pt shot directly effects how often it will be practiced and thus how good one can become at it 2. modern science directly effects performance and longevity 3. current rules giving modern players more space, more confidence that if missed they arent being benched because the shot was "analytically" the better shot etc... To simply say the "numbers" say this or that is idiotic and irresponsible. So Vanilla Ice was the goat before digital downloads, madonna IS the best female vocalist of all time, the Spice Girls are the best female singing group of all time?🤦♂️🤣🤷♂️
@@felix3033 fine line between respect and delusion..these old heads think anything that came out of there era shits gold while everybody from this era can’t play..when the matter of the fact is this era is by far and away more skilled and talented than it was back then.
JJ is always amazing when he’s on First Take, but Mad Dog was absolute comedy when he said JJ has to watch Bird on UA-cam and wasn’t even alive back then 😭
@@RhodesianSuperiority I accused you of something based off your comment, that was it. Generally the one going on about insecurities and being personally insulted are the butthurt ones. No capitols or emojis or ! to signify anger, just 2 words and I am personally insulted. Was this just proof you are too dumb to be giving out opinions on era's in NBA history? You can't grasp simple english so how could you grasp a tougher concept 🤦
Imo he would be a taller, better passer, better shooter, better rebounder, better iq, tougher, more competitive version of luka, bird is built for the modern nba
I agree with Mad Dog that there needs to be a balance. It’s very frustrating to watch NBA games and see players chuck up three after three and miss. It doesn’t make very good entertainment.
Watch a game from the 90s it'll put u to sleep.. everybody posting up and watching, missing uncontested 3s and midranges, no crossover, less athletic players, less jelly layups.. playoffs is where there becomes more a balance now and 3point shooting is crucial to space and open up the floor
😂 JJ is a reporter sniper. But I agree with Doggy. The way the game is now deletes defense because everyone is too tired running up and down the court every ten seconds a possession, No team in todays game go deep in to the shot clock anymore.
Its like LBJ fans who never seen MJ or others play. How you doing a 1 sided argument? The guys that seen both in real time do have a better case to decide. Like it or not. Being at the games IS different then pulling some highlights. Dont forget some games people saw that Bird may have been amazing may not even have highlights. Certain people and games get lost in history Ez. Mike Miller was an AMZING shooter. Shot over 40% a lot of his career and had big games with the Heat but if you didn't see... you may not agree
mad dog is 100% right . ofc if you watch the games 40 years later on youtube your gonna see something different. but jj reddick is just a stat nerd , stats don't tell the whole story. it's so disrespectful and i'm sick of it
I was cringing by the end i was hoping mad dog was gonna come with something a little more air tight than larry birds performance at the three pt contest
@@kerrybaker7537 He really doesn't. lol Steph is avg 5.4 FT attempts per game. compared to league leading Joel Embid's 11.6 attempts. Steph is below half of the league leader. lol They play different positions, but it just goes to show, he ain't living on the Free throw line
ESPN has an opportunity here to explore the difference in the way generations view basketball. I’d love to see a show where someone younger like JJ and someone older like Mad Dog watch games from different eras and talk about what they’re seeing differently. Can we have JJ and Mad Dog watch a 7 game series from the 80s and talk about it? I’d soo watch that
that’s cause if you watch the tape you realize he is. watch shots jjs taking and making in his career, we shouldn’t compare its apples and oranges but guys today are faster stronger in better shape and more skilled then guys from the past it’s not a knock on them. basketball is evolving always
@@TheSuperSoka1 more attempts sure, but the 3 point shot wasn’t a point of emphasis in the 80’s-90’s. To be that accomplished in an era where the 3 wasn’t even practiced says a lot about Larry ability to shoot 3’s
They’ve ran the “which era is more physical” argument sooo many times. Every time these old-heads talk about the 80s-90s it’s the same talking points, and it’s impossible to convince them in any way
@@joebidet3606 Funny thing is, you have players that've played in both eras say the exact same things people who've watched both eras in real time..that's then corroborated by the literal changes in the NBA rulebook and quotes from the owners and league officials themselves. The game was more physical in the late 80s-90s. The scores show it. The players say it. The coaches say it. The rule book changes support it. And people who watched both, in real time, noticed the changes too. There is NO such thing as an enforcer today. It is a fact that the role existed for sure until 15-20 years ago. Nobody questions the NFL being less physical now than 15+ years ago when literally the same arguments as the NBA (to a lesser degree) are said. Can't convince an old-head because the old-head isn't crazy and knows what they saw.
@@gumballwaterson1957 what you’re saying is true if you’re only considering hard fouls = physicality. How about workload, possessions per game, pace of play, and overall level of strength and fitness among players? Lots of these metrics are also physical at its core, and has been corroborated and proven to have detrimental effects to the body over time. When looking at games from previous eras, there is much more standing and waiting around in todays game - which is way more active. Not to mention rule changes such as the introduction of help defense, which poses an entirely different dynamic than pre-2000s ball. If the league is so soft nowadays, why are there still so many great players getting severely injured?
@@HamptonGuitars What does this have to do with anything? 💀 You are incapable of disputing anything that JJ said because he is right. You have to be delusional to be on Mad Dog’s side
ya you can tell this whole segment was to get JJ hella into it lmaoo. JJ is very passionate about certain topics. Kudos to the OG's for knowing how to play the tv role mad dog seems like a nice dude
Jj was right on the money, it's so much easier to get your shot back in the 80's then today. It's like they didn't no how to guard off the ball or contest a jumper
JJ is ignoring th fact that defense isn't the same as it used to be. If today players were able to play defense like players did in the past, three pointers would go way down a game and it would cause more of a well rounded game to be played.
I mean, doesn't mean steph fucked up the game. The big men want to handle the ball now cuz of LeBron. Doesn't mean that's LeBron making if the game worse if other big men would suck at it! It's the coaches being enamored by Steph. It's their fault
Mad Dog’s hilarious with his takes & conviction 😂 he’s gotten me thru so many 12 hr shifts at night listening to his radio show when I was a cop. He’s so adamant but I respect it thou 😂😂😂
@@nstitches Fool? JJ is wrong, you couldn't press Bird like you could do a smaller Curry. Doesn't mean they didn't try. Like Dominique said, it's not about who you like.
What you all fell to understand nobody is watching jj Reddick makes these rants of analytics but the ratings say the nba sucks n nobody cares. It's this fast paced physical super skilled games that no one cares about lol
Just b/c a current player has a higher shooting percentage than Bird does not make the current player a better 3-pt. shooter than Bird. There's volume, physicality, current rules, load management, current offenses versus offenses from the past, etc. to consider.
I actually do think that Mad dog is right about Bird. Think about it this way... take all the great 3 point shooters now and place them in Birds era. How many of them would be as great a shot as bird? Outside of Steph, Klay and Reggie Miller, there's not too many. Bird was that dude. Edit: By 'placed in that era' I mean raised, taught and trained in that era. If you flipped it the other way and placed Bird in this era maybe he gets 6 MVPs instead.
Exactly, it really comes down to the way defense is allowed to be played. The 90s and earlier defenders always had a hand or arm resting on defenders. Now it is way easier to get a 3 pointer off. Just because people hit more threes now doesn't mean that they are better
Larry Bird would not be a better shooter than Ray Allen, Klay Thompson, Reggie or Dame....if they existed during that era, they would be considered shooting Gods. Lets have a reality check
@@wickedwood04 you're just repeating a bad argument that old heads make. JJ said it himself. People foul Steph Curry off ball all game long while in the 90s you literally didn't have to worry about that because jump shots weren't guarded like that.
I was a bird hater. He used to toy with us. He’d crank it up in the forth. He got bored and shot all left handed and still put up forty. He single handily took Indiana state to the national championship. Nobody else on that team made it. He was incredible. Jordan never beat his teams
LMFAO before molly even said it, I was like why JJ look like he about to bleed🤣. When he started moving his mouth and the itchy nose movements I died. Mad dog knows what he's doing 😂
Steph got me to start watching the NBA after 21 years of never caring. I've always watched football, but Mahomes made me a Chiefs fan (unless they're playing the Steelers). When Mahomes is on the field, you literally cannot take your eyes off the screen -- he does things that nobody is supposed to do. He's a wizard with the ball. Steph is very similar to Mahomes in that respect. When he's on the court, you always gotta watch him because he might just make some ridiculous shot. That said, I think the amount of things that Mahomes just randomly does far exceeds what Steph does in terms of crazy highlight moments. This is a great segment, and if I had to answer, I would say Mahomes is more fun to watch, but Steph has clearly had a larger impact on his sport.
That's funny, I've been watching the NBA for a little over 20 years, never really cared about football and I don't even watch anymore, but I think next season I may watch some of the better teams/players because of all this talk
its steph...becuz he done it 1st out of the 2 and he's done it longer....and they both do a a large amount for their teams....Steph greatest ability is shooting but it's not this only...he's a great ball handler and passer and great in passing lanes defense..so they both have a crazy amount of highlights in different areas of their sport....but Steph has jus done it more and longer is the Only difference right now
Stephen A not being able to get one word out is a rare and unbelievable moment we might never see again 😂
😂
It's happened before
You are beyond right lol
💩 when you get JJ and Mad Dog anything is up for grabs 😂
This not the first time JJ shut him up. Lol
It’s actually a great idea. Mad Dog and JJ watching old 80s and 90s basketball. Id watch that.
ABSOLUTELY
they will never
He could show him how 6'7 players had to actually jump for a dunk then. Now the rims are lower. Also loose rims and they made the FT line way closer around 2012. It's easy to see.
@@jimbrave1923um no what conspiracies are u watching 😂
@@jimbrave1923 rims are definitely looser, the rest of this is pure ignorance.
😂😂😂 Mad Dog and JJ like that father and son arguing about each other era’s
Well to be fair. One was great at what he did in the profession that one believes he knows the differences of great because he spectated.
@@crashHypnotize JJ was great at what? U talking about college basketball? This was a debate about the nba. JJ's entitled to his opinion but he wasn't no great player 👎🏽
JJ never elevated any team to win a championship and he has the nerve to insult a whole era of basketball? JJ just needs to hang up the mic and enjoy the money.
@@ericmcgowan1993 put jj in the 70s they gonna think he God
JJ was an incredible college player and played 15 years. That’s a success!
Death, taxes, and JJ being completely fed up with Mad Dog's NBA eras-takes. 😂😂 Amazing stuff.
mad dog is 100% right . ofc if you watch the games 40 years later on youtube your gonna see something different but jj is just a stat nerd, stats don't tell the whole story it's so disrespectful and i'm sick of it
@@paulmccarthy4277 found the old guy… tape doesn’t lie doesn’t matter how long ago it was
He has the same takes except his eras takes all involve 2003-present.
When the game shifts 10 years from now he will argue just like everyone else that that time he played was the greatest most skilled era ever and some kid will be like "Nah the Bryce James era was peak"
Mad Dog is right. JJ. is an arrogant dummy. He thinks he's better than Bob Cousy.
@@paulmccarthy4277 by this logic teams should just stop watching tape of their games to breakdown what was done well and what was done badly and just differ to those standing on the sidelines. This all comes down to one simple truth, you may have had a great feeling when you watched something live, but those feelings are not an accurate account of the facts of what happened. Facts don't care about your feelings!
Great segment! Props to Stephen A. for realizing it was great tv and letting it go on🙌🏽I didn’t know he was capable of that😂
Yeah, you’re right.
nah, he's vocal about wanting to entertain the audience
@@thehoboman he's not very entertaining if we're being honest 🤷
@@TheDON914 you can lie if you want to
@@TheDON914 so why are you watching his show rn?
"They protect Curry all the time, he lives at the free throw line"💀💀💀
Mad Dog really hasn't watched a single minute of the NBA since the 90's lmaooo
Shut yo mouth he does not live at the free throw line give the man some respect hater
Stephen A Smith not being able to talk and being irritated and patient at the same time had me just laughing so hard. He not use to that 🤣💀
Yeah sipping his latte at the end.🤣☠️
“We gonna go get a Time Machine and sit court side with you, I’ll be 2 years old it’ll be fun” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
JJ a clown 😂👏🏻
@@joeknapp9162 JJ was clowning on a clown take.
How is watching tape not valuable? NBA players would attend more games in person instead of spending hours in the media room, if watching tape didn't give the full picture.
And JJ was being kind, he could easily have said, "well you may have been sitting in the stands, but I was on the court". Truth is, JJ actually knows what he is talking about, he's got the numbers and the knowledge to support his argument, Doggy is just a provocateur.
I think the point that Mad Dog is making is that the physicality of the 80s was a way of life for those players. You won’t get that from watching a clip. An 80’s player understands what the defender can do to interfere with his shot, the same way a modern player know what a defender in today’s game CANNOT do. The fouls called HUGELY affects the spacing on the floor. With the kind of space players today have, it’s less of a risk to shoot from range, that’s what Steph has exposed. In the 80’s you’d get defended, miss the shot, and then be ridiculed for taking a difficult shot and not passing to someone in the post.
Fantastic points! But modern basketball fans don’t understand that!
Today’s players are bigger, stronger and faster than those before them. No serious person can dispute that. Because of that teams can switch anything and still have a good matchup.
@@jamesmclean5204 Athletes today benefit greatly from advanced systems and rules that protect them. The spacing on the floor helps them look faster, but at that level, all of the generations would have the top tier athletes of their respective times. The difference is the way the game is played. Durant would get locked up in the 90’s, and that gets proven when he goes up against physical defenders like Tatum. LeBron’s size would keep him battling the bigger guys in the paint because he does not have the finesse of Magic or Jordan. Teams can switch up because nobody really defends in todays NBA. Plus with the prominence of the 3 ball, the game has become way more one dimensional.
Every response under this is love
@@jamesmclean5204 who’s stronger than Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Shaq, Rodman, and Ben Wallace from this era?
Man, mad dogs whole job on this network is to be an instigator and he does it so well, he gets under my skin every time.
Man his face is just so smug lmao
@@jaggedarts33 I think that's the key differentiator.. Mad Dog plays the role with a wink, as does Stephen A for the most part, and it's done as entertainment. It rarely seems personal in terms individual players (Kyrie and Stephen A not withstanding). Skip on the other hand has made his TV career on very personal, and relentless, criticism of individual players (Aikman, LeBron, T.O., etc.). It's also schtick, same as Mad Dog, but it doesn't feel the same.
Yeah mad dog is necessary. Makes the debates engaging 😊
I can’t stand that mf
and JJ falls for it every single time
Mad Dog triggering JJ will always be great TV 😂😂
Bird was a beast. A scenario always forgotten is one of sports greatest tragedies happening during Birds final years - we never got a chance to see him play along side Len Bias. If Bias didn’t die on his draft night and suited up for the Celtics, there is no telling how long that dynasty would have lasted.
Certainly Bird could have extended his career and changed his game to be a “high volume” 3 ball shooter that JJ mentioned. But he never had that luxury and spent much of his final years dealing with the Bad Boys in the paint.
If Bird played today he would be one of the best if not the best 3 point shooter in the NBA. I love how we want to separate eras when it comes to comparing stats and defense but somehow era doesn't matter when it comes to shooting. JJ is silly, Bird is absolutely a top 5 shooter even though he doesn't have top 5 attempts and makes.
Actually Bird told Bill Simmons on his podcast that he would have retired right away if Len Bias lived to play with the Celtics
Yes, you're completely right. Mad Dog didn't articulate it very well, but the very fact that Larry wasn't a volume 3-point shooter and then could hit crucial 3s when required actually says more about his 3 point shooting than if you'd fired up 10 already in the game. And JJ's comment insinuating that his era was more physical than the 80s/90s is so utterly ridiculous - JJ wouldn't have survived in the league back then.
Because he wasn't the greatest shooter ever. He wasn't good enough to change the way the game was played from the 3. Doesn't mean he isn't a great shooter.
@@skillethead153 Point shooter? No. Overall yeah he has an argument. They were talking about 3 point shooting.
“I was there, Gandalf! I was there 3,000 years ago!”- Mad Dog
Lmaoooo
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🤣lmaoooooo
Lol
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Stephen A exercising the ultimate patience this time.
Because he’s been getting destroyed on twitter continuously
Because he trust JJ to hold the fort
SAS in this stage of his career is looking at these segments on a producer stand point. he knows it's good tv, ain't no way he's gonna cut these 2 just to make his point..
He liked the fact Mad Dog told JJ wasn't alive and the physical play isn't the same as today so basically Mad dog and Stephen A doesn't like this generation of players in all reality
I like how JJ argues his points because like Max a long time ago, he’s always very logical with his arguments. But the only downside with his points is he outright ignores any type of flaw in the modern game. Even the slightest flaw. And he also ignores how the increased efficiency in offense is not simply due to players being better than decades ago, but that there’s also a factor of how rules and how games are officiated nowadays which greatly favors the offense. Heck you can even argue load management is also a factor. Load management was never a thing in the past. But now players get much more rest than before. JJ thinks the modern game is 100% better in everything. That’s JJ’s weakness.
You are very logical I wish we had more reasonable people like you on T.V. but I get it, if we have too many reasonable people like you on T.V. it would be boring. We need characters who are outlandish because that is what makes T.V. entertaining. It makes sense but it can be anoyying.
This has to be the greatest comment. Bro you are 100 percent right on this.
Players are better though. It's just factual. The average player of today is better than the average player of the nineties just like the average player of the 90s was better than the average player of the 60s. Sure there's other factors but players today are better and the league is better.
I've pointed this out to him on his own channel - JJ has an extreme blind-spot when it comes to a) LeBron and b) protecting his own era.
@@Zack_410 None of that is true. There has been extensive research over the years that debunks the belief that players get better with each era in sports. What is shown is technology, and nutrition gets better but not necessarily the player/athlete.
9:43 Stephen A looks like a teacher on Zoom while 2 students are arguing with each other 😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I hate how accurate this is.
😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭
Facts😂😂😂
Lol 😂🤣
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Mad Dog was alive to see Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs. What a lucky guy.
I wonder how good he would be now.
U jealous
Didn't Ruth retire right b4 the black players were allowed to Play lol
a little overreach there 🤣🤣
@@qualinteranzy7948 what does that have to do with baseball and hitting a 90mph fastball fool.
Larry Bird had Michael Cooper, Bobby Jones, and Dennis Rodman guarding him in those playoff series. Three of THE greatest defenders ever. Watched those games at the time as a kid, and I think the level of play was higher in the 80's and 90's. But especially high in the mid-late 80's before expansion hit and watered things down. These were college experience and hardened men coming into the league, and they played harder. I LOVE the NBA now to watch. But I just think it is not as high quality.
I agree with this
Well your opinion is factually wrong
@@Zack_410 how?
@@Zack_410 where you alive
@@xerospades players are bigger, faster, stronger, and more skilled nowadays. the schemes are more complex and the international game has added another level to the competition.
I love Mad Dog and JJ together! Blood pressures are always lifted 😂
Fr😂😂
Love it when JJ gets annoyed and goes into teacher mode lol
it IS good, but he is not logical enough and spreads too many lies.
@@evolucien1309how so????what he lie about?
He knows he's to intelligent for Mad Dog
@@evolucien1309 lies about what
@@evolucien1309dude is literally talking about math
This is pure GOLD! Likely my favorite clip from watching literally thousands of segments
Just let JJ and Mad Dog talk about basketball all day this is good😂😂😂😂😂😂🔥
Except the worst championship to watch ever was the Lakers and Pistons. Even Kobe said he was figuring out how to miss properly so they could play great defense. Worst game ever.
@@awwwsy what r u talkin bout
it is good, but dangerous. JJ is gonna lead a whole generation into believing false things, simply due to his strong bias. Imo it is disrespectful
@@evolucien1309 wrong things like what
@@bossb1064 jj relies on being articulate, clean cut and numbers alone to be considered reliable. But he skews the relationship between facts and numbers. I think he does it purposefully.
here is a quick example:
JJ's logic:
Modern shooters shoot a higher percentage than Bird and make more than Bird in total, so thus MUST be better than Bird.
👆👆 because the "numbers" say so right?
JJ's logic mirrored:
Modern day high school boys run faster and jump farther than Jesse Owens, so they too in turn, according to the "numbers" MUST be better than Jesse Owens right?
Whenever comparing different eras, we have to consider the other variables:
1. importance of the 3pt shot directly effects how often it will be practiced and thus how good one can become at it
2. modern science directly effects performance and longevity
3. current rules giving modern players more space, more confidence that if missed they arent being benched because the shot was "analytically" the better shot
etc...
To simply say the "numbers" say this or that is idiotic and irresponsible.
So Vanilla Ice was the goat before digital downloads, madonna IS the best female vocalist of all time, the Spice Girls are the best female singing group of all time?🤦♂️🤣🤷♂️
"Curry lives at the Free throw lines" is crazy
Curry has one of the lowest free throw rates it’s insane. When I heard that line I started to laugh 😂. If he shoots 5+ in a game it’s a miracle
@@ninjamonkey808 you are right Steph drops like 40 on very few free throws
They just saying whatever at this point
Very crazy
Dude I had to take a min to process what he said. Not accounting for free-throws Curry prolly scores the most points out of anyone.
Steven A rolling his eyes while sipping coffee is everything 🤣😅🤣
11:05 “were gonna go back in time, I’ll sit courtside with you I’ll be 2 years old watching the games it’ll be fun” I burst out laughing 😂
Me too lol
Lol this gone forever be a classic, Mad Dog told this man you’re watching them on UA-cam I was there.😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly 😂😂😂 it was great
That's a OG Diss
@@wah8139 respect your OGs that’s the problem with this new internet generation. Was born in 93’ btw
@@felix3033 fine line between respect and delusion..these old heads think anything that came out of there era shits gold while everybody from this era can’t play..when the matter of the fact is this era is by far and away more skilled and talented than it was back then.
Talk yo shyte @Mad Dawg 💪🏾💪🏾😎
The best part was them totally ignoring Stephen A 😂😂😂😂😂
Racism lol
JJ is always amazing when he’s on First Take, but Mad Dog was absolute comedy when he said JJ has to watch Bird on UA-cam and wasn’t even alive back then 😭
As though his memories are a more accurate record of what happened than the tape. Lol
Madd dogg was spot on though
It's funny because it's true 💯
@Rock So, The tapes don't show what Dog saw? And let's be real....
We only watch about 5-10% of a players career
@@lrdmcd914 mad dog thinks JJ only watched some doctored highlight videos and JJ never said anything to dispute that
"Hello guys!!" - SAS thought they would listen 😂😂😂
Lmao jj and mad dog said nah we finishin this 😂😂😂
We need more guys like Doug. Guys who really were there to tell the tale of the basketball greats
@@RhodesianSuperiority omega virgin
@@RhodesianSuperiority I accused you of something based off your comment, that was it. Generally the one going on about insecurities and being personally insulted are the butthurt ones. No capitols or emojis or ! to signify anger, just 2 words and I am personally insulted. Was this just proof you are too dumb to be giving out opinions on era's in NBA history? You can't grasp simple english so how could you grasp a tougher concept 🤦
@@RhodesianSuperiority bro make your own points. Stop repeating stuff you've heard other people say
@@YakDPOY 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If Bird played today... he'd be even better from 3 because that's the focus of these teams now... he is one of the best shooters ever
Imo he would be a taller, better passer, better shooter, better rebounder, better iq, tougher, more competitive version of luka, bird is built for the modern nba
@@MazevG sigh
Doubt it lol stop overrating him he had a stack team
@@Therambler972 He's in the hof buddy...one of 3 players to 3 peat for mvp and could shoot the lights out of the gym...he'd wreck in todays game
@@Therambler972 Not really, if you actually look at those teams it was Bird and McHale mostly those other guys were just role players.
I agree with Mad Dog that there needs to be a balance. It’s very frustrating to watch NBA games and see players chuck up three after three and miss. It doesn’t make very good entertainment.
Watch a game from the 90s it'll put u to sleep.. everybody posting up and watching, missing uncontested 3s and midranges, no crossover, less athletic players, less jelly layups.. playoffs is where there becomes more a balance now and 3point shooting is crucial to space and open up the floor
The issue is your defense has to be elite to compensate for the teams like G State who are so dead accurate from 3.
I agree. the style of play today sucks. It's more like watching the globetrotters than an actual basketball game.
@@speedylucero93 it was definitely more competent in the 90s early 2000s. In today’s game if a team is off from 3 they’re losing by 30.
@@speedylucero93 no, it just puts you to sleep
😂 JJ is a reporter sniper. But I agree with Doggy. The way the game is now deletes defense because everyone is too tired running up and down the court every ten seconds a possession, No team in todays game go deep in to the shot clock anymore.
Love this segment. JJ and Mad Dog always at it😂
Stephen A is "flabbergasted "
Its like LBJ fans who never seen MJ or others play. How you doing a 1 sided argument? The guys that seen both in real time do have a better case to decide. Like it or not. Being at the games IS different then pulling some highlights. Dont forget some games people saw that Bird may have been amazing may not even have highlights. Certain people and games get lost in history
Ez. Mike Miller was an AMZING shooter. Shot over 40% a lot of his career and had big games with the Heat but if you didn't see... you may not agree
He said Steph "lives at the free throw line!" I'm dead 😂
Actually he doesn't on the REAL
they think he lives at ft line cause he makes 90%plus,stats confirm he is the superstar with the least calls
Man... Stephen A is a genius. He managed to get this Costco version of Skip back on the show... 😭🤣
Basically showing he cant survive without Skip or a Special Guest.
@@byronstringer76 BWAHAHA!!! Costco Skippy B. You sir win comment of the week 😆😆
Mad dog was befor skip came up in the sport news skip is the Costco version the Mad dog is the original
JJ rises to the bait every time. Mad Dog living in his head rent free.
Facts
😂😂😂
mad dog is 100% right . ofc if you watch the games 40 years later on youtube your gonna see something different. but jj reddick is just a stat nerd , stats don't tell the whole story. it's so disrespectful and i'm sick of it
@@paulmccarthy4277 if you watching the same game 40 years later it’s still the same game. JJ is right
@@bossb1064 not only that I’m pretty sure him actually playing and being a top ten three point player in history.
This might be the 1st time where I can say Madd dogg was actually cooking He had JJ Tight 😂😂🤣
I was cringing by the end i was hoping mad dog was gonna come with something a little more air tight than larry birds performance at the three pt contest
Bird gets WAY more room than any modern 3 point shooter. This CANNOT be undisputed it’s on video
I love Mad dog interacting with JJ something about it is just so funny
Mad dog is like that old uncle who loves to rile up his nephews talking about how great the past was and it’s great TV
Mad dog is stuck in the past and JJ is a prisoner of the moment. One day JJ is gonna be mad dog 💯
@@ericmcgowan1993jj will never turn out like that retard lol
"Your're watching them on UA-cam, I sait live, I was there" lmao epic stuff from Mad Dog 😂😂😂
They need to livestream them watching the 1980’s finals 😂
"You watched them on UA-cam"was classic 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
it’s classic, but jj has obviously watched 80’s bball MUCH more recently than mad dog has.
@@OGSVN no he hasn't
@@OGSVN no he hasn’t. You’re missing the whole point from mad dog smh
Why? Because youtube shows the truth
@@InuYasha2276 no i’m not lol. his point was stupid lmao. you can only comment on things you’ve seen in person? that’s literally a logical fallacy lol
I’d rather see a highlight reel dunk than a nightlight reel 3.
Why not both?
@@ddp5406 Highlight 3’s don’t come nearly as often as a highlight dunk.
Still 1 more point 🤷🏾♂️
@@johnathangaddy8027 Still not nearly as fun to watch
I'd rather see some post ups an team basketball.
NFL season is over so JJ is back and I love it, especially when he argues with doggy 😂
“Steph Curry lives at the free throw line” is one of the takes of all time.
Ur take is the most special edumacation of all time
@@longlivedagoat3109 bro what
These dudes do not watch the games steph hardly gets calls
@@kerrybaker7537 He really doesn't. lol Steph is avg 5.4 FT attempts per game. compared to league leading Joel Embid's 11.6 attempts. Steph is below half of the league leader. lol They play different positions, but it just goes to show, he ain't living on the Free throw line
Doggy is just another delusional old head you can’t talk hoops with him
JJ's frustration with Dog is hilarious
He's insecure
Mad Dog owned that argument 😂
No he didn’t…. Lmfaooo
Nah he got destroyed 😂
Both lost. JJ is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
@@trashcandy. fair assessment. 👍🏼👍🏼
@@trashcandy. jj is too biased from this modern day nba like Gilbert Arenas and mad dog is too old school in way of thinking 🤔
You can tell mad dog a troll but when he wants he actually have good takes lol. But bro is hilarious
ESPN has an opportunity here to explore the difference in the way generations view basketball. I’d love to see a show where someone younger like JJ and someone older like Mad Dog watch games from different eras and talk about what they’re seeing differently. Can we have JJ and Mad Dog watch a 7 game series from the 80s and talk about it? I’d soo watch that
JJ would murder him before halftime
Won't work because JJ played so he himself thinks he's better than a lot of players before him.
that’s cause if you watch the tape you realize he is. watch shots jjs taking and making in his career, we shouldn’t compare its apples and oranges but guys today are faster stronger in better shape and more skilled then guys from the past it’s not a knock on them. basketball is evolving always
Great idea
That last 5 mins was literally the most Skip Bayless-qsue argument impersonation lol
Russo loves getting under J.J.’s skin. 🤷🏻♂️👍🏻😂
JJ Reddicks expression when Doggie said Bird was a top 5 shooter. I’m dying lol
You don’t win 3 three point contests in a row and invent the 50/40/90 club if you aren’t tho
@@mattwatts33they sleeping on the bird 🦅
JJ has no respect for past stars and he himself wouldn't have even made Larry bird's team back in the day.
@@mattwatts33 on 2 attempts per game lol. There are way more players that shoot a better percentage on way higher volume
@@TheSuperSoka1 more attempts sure, but the 3 point shot wasn’t a point of emphasis in the 80’s-90’s. To be that accomplished in an era where the 3 wasn’t even practiced says a lot about Larry ability to shoot 3’s
Funny how JJ and Mad dog saying "We'll debate this off air" about the topic we are most interested to hear them debate out of the entire episode
It’s gonna get physical 😂
They’ve ran the “which era is more physical” argument sooo many times. Every time these old-heads talk about the 80s-90s it’s the same talking points, and it’s impossible to convince them in any way
@@joebidet3606 Funny thing is, you have players that've played in both eras say the exact same things people who've watched both eras in real time..that's then corroborated by the literal changes in the NBA rulebook and quotes from the owners and league officials themselves. The game was more physical in the late 80s-90s. The scores show it. The players say it. The coaches say it. The rule book changes support it. And people who watched both, in real time, noticed the changes too. There is NO such thing as an enforcer today. It is a fact that the role existed for sure until 15-20 years ago. Nobody questions the NFL being less physical now than 15+ years ago when literally the same arguments as the NBA (to a lesser degree) are said. Can't convince an old-head because the old-head isn't crazy and knows what they saw.
@@gumballwaterson1957 what you’re saying is true if you’re only considering hard fouls = physicality. How about workload, possessions per game, pace of play, and overall level of strength and fitness among players? Lots of these metrics are also physical at its core, and has been corroborated and proven to have detrimental effects to the body over time. When looking at games from previous eras, there is much more standing and waiting around in todays game - which is way more active. Not to mention rule changes such as the introduction of help defense, which poses an entirely different dynamic than pre-2000s ball.
If the league is so soft nowadays, why are there still so many great players getting severely injured?
I would love to see JJ Redick sit down and chat with Magic, Kareem, Bird, MJ and Isaiah.
Exactly
We need to see this film breakdown by JJ. Seeing a player breakdown actual footage and compare eras would be amazing to watch.
Yo Mad Dog giving off drunk uncle energy. 😂😂😂
The exasperation on JJ's face is hilarious. 🤣
Stephen A was flabbergasted he was outspoken in this segment for the first time ever😂😂😂
I love that when someone is talking bs JJ is trying to control his laughter😂
not bs tho. jj doesnt use logic in his frequent "numbers" debates. Simply put...Vanilla Ice, Spice Girls, Madonna, Karl Malone, Emmit Smith, etc.
JJ's problem is that he thinks he is an all-time great himself.
@@HamptonGuitars facts. And he thinks he knows everything and gets mad when somebody else tells him something who knows just as much basketball as him
The JJ slander for no reasons. University of Maryland fans huh, give up dag
@@HamptonGuitars What does this have to do with anything? 💀 You are incapable of disputing anything that JJ said because he is right. You have to be delusional to be on Mad Dog’s side
I feel like mad dog deserves some more credit. He’s been there.
8:54 mark mad dog saying to himself "got em" 😂😂😂😂 JJ Falls for it every time
ya you can tell this whole segment was to get JJ hella into it lmaoo. JJ is very passionate about certain topics. Kudos to the OG's for knowing how to play the tv role mad dog seems like a nice dude
Jj was right on the money, it's so much easier to get your shot back in the 80's then today. It's like they didn't no how to guard off the ball or contest a jumper
I relayed that sequence so many times today I can’t stop laughing. Mad Dog knows how to get JJ hot 😆
JJ is ignoring th fact that defense isn't the same as it used to be. If today players were able to play defense like players did in the past, three pointers would go way down a game and it would cause more of a well rounded game to be played.
You are absolutely correct.
JJ's got that "I don't get paid enough to deal with this sh*t" look on his face with Mad Dog
JJs frustration is always hilarious
Mad Dog is Skip from wish
😂
Mad dog a legend tf
I do agree with Mad dog. Everybody wants to be steph now. Just go to any gym. Everyone on the court is chucking up 3's.
I mean, doesn't mean steph fucked up the game. The big men want to handle the ball now cuz of LeBron. Doesn't mean that's LeBron making if the game worse if other big men would suck at it! It's the coaches being enamored by Steph. It's their fault
It was like that in the 90s
@@stonedecatur6602 people chucking 3's?
@@anilkumar-fk8fc at the gym, not the NBA. You actually have to use more energy to get pass your man so people just shot 3s
mad dog with an all time performance today. My favorite man at ESPN
@@sirfish9824 He’s an instigator. Whether he’s right or wrong is almost irrelevant.
@@TruthOperator81 then dnt talk about sports especially arguing with a former NBA player who played the game at a high level.
Can't stand it when a player drives the lane, has a wide open layup, and turns mid air to pass it for a three.
Mad Dog’s hilarious with his takes & conviction 😂 he’s gotten me thru so many 12 hr shifts at night listening to his radio show when I was a cop. He’s so adamant but I respect it thou 😂😂😂
opp
@@n8c580 lmao you mad a dude did something respectable with his life while you’re on the street corner section 8 baby
@@chrisjacobs9101 they kill kids
@@chrisjacobs9101 Don’t waste your time replying to ppl with no value. I can tell the type of person they are just from the comment that they made 😂😂😂
Dog is a fan too. He's the best
“We’re gone get a Time Machine ima sit court side with you ima be two years old in the 1986 finales it’ll be fun” - jj 😂😂
Stephen A's deadpan face while listening to these 2 argue is just too good 💀
You can tell how much pain jj is in having to listen to anything mad dog is saying
Aren't we all? Isn't the relief in hearing jj point out the fool?
LIstening to JJ talk about any other sport than basketball is pain
JJ is a fool IMHO. he appears to be smart and sharp, but actually stupid in the worst kind: he doesn't even have the correct thinking framework
@@nstitches Fool? JJ is wrong, you couldn't press Bird like you could do a smaller Curry. Doesn't mean they didn't try. Like Dominique said, it's not about who you like.
What you all fell to understand nobody is watching jj Reddick makes these rants of analytics but the ratings say the nba sucks n nobody cares. It's this fast paced physical super skilled games that no one cares about lol
😂😂😂😂😂 the look on Steven a face is priceless 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
JJ Being Annoyed At 9:31 Is Straight GOLD .
As a Great Three Point Shooter Himself , His Reasoning On This One Was Outstanding.
Good Segment Y'all
Just b/c a current player has a higher shooting percentage than Bird does not make the current player a better 3-pt. shooter than Bird. There's volume, physicality, current rules, load management, current offenses versus offenses from the past, etc. to consider.
Cause JJ cant stand any argument against him. He thinks because he was a 7th player off the bench his opinion is superior.
@@Just1Bumblah blah blah
@@xcwilliams7980 Ha! Ha!
He killed me when he said you watched the games on UA-cam 🤦🏽💀
JJ’s facial expressions 😂
Mad dog and JJ need their own show lol 😂
That Boy JJ is a really good sport analyst! His facial expressions are golden 😂😂😂
Man that was one of my favorite JJ/Doggie interactions 😂
The most blasphemous statement in this video was that Curry lives at the free throw line...LMAO
“Wait a minute dogggggy”😂😂😂
I actually do think that Mad dog is right about Bird. Think about it this way... take all the great 3 point shooters now and place them in Birds era. How many of them would be as great a shot as bird? Outside of Steph, Klay and Reggie Miller, there's not too many. Bird was that dude.
Edit: By 'placed in that era' I mean raised, taught and trained in that era. If you flipped it the other way and placed Bird in this era maybe he gets 6 MVPs instead.
Exactly, it really comes down to the way defense is allowed to be played. The 90s and earlier defenders always had a hand or arm resting on defenders. Now it is way easier to get a 3 pointer off. Just because people hit more threes now doesn't mean that they are better
THANK U!!
Larry Bird would not be a better shooter than Ray Allen, Klay Thompson, Reggie or Dame....if they existed during that era, they would be considered shooting Gods. Lets have a reality check
The Hand Check was such a big difference. A hand check on the hip before pull-up 3's from now would throw Curry or any shooter off.
@@wickedwood04 you're just repeating a bad argument that old heads make. JJ said it himself. People foul Steph Curry off ball all game long while in the 90s you literally didn't have to worry about that because jump shots weren't guarded like that.
Steven A with the Poopoo face got me dying lol
Producers in Stephen A ear like hold up, Let them cook
“Y’all need to calm down” Stephen A. 2023. Lol 😂
This is the best non-Stephen A clip from First Take I’ve seen in years 😂😂😂
I was a bird hater. He used to toy with us. He’d crank it up in the forth. He got bored and shot all left handed and still put up forty. He single handily took Indiana state to the national championship. Nobody else on that team made it. He was incredible. Jordan never beat his teams
My dad started watching basketball cuz of the Showtime Lakers but I ask him how good was Bird & he said I hated the guy but he could play.
Doggy and JJ need their own show! 😂😂😂😂
Nooooooo. JJ would be rolling his eyes the entire show.
Jj would get destroyed every episode why would he do that
Took me a couple minutes to disprove Mad Dogs claim about Birds three point shooting. He ranks number 176 all time right above Patrick Beverly
It’s funny that JJ is sitting in front Mad Dog while looking into the camera and arguing with him🤣
He has to read his Q's
LMFAO before molly even said it, I was like why JJ look like he about to bleed🤣. When he started moving his mouth and the itchy nose movements I died. Mad dog knows what he's doing 😂
He really does it. He’s doing it on purpose and JJ fall sport every time.
No one wants every nba game to be a 3 point shooting contest
Steph got me to start watching the NBA after 21 years of never caring. I've always watched football, but Mahomes made me a Chiefs fan (unless they're playing the Steelers). When Mahomes is on the field, you literally cannot take your eyes off the screen -- he does things that nobody is supposed to do. He's a wizard with the ball.
Steph is very similar to Mahomes in that respect. When he's on the court, you always gotta watch him because he might just make some ridiculous shot. That said, I think the amount of things that Mahomes just randomly does far exceeds what Steph does in terms of crazy highlight moments.
This is a great segment, and if I had to answer, I would say Mahomes is more fun to watch, but Steph has clearly had a larger impact on his sport.
That's funny, I've been watching the NBA for a little over 20 years, never really cared about football and I don't even watch anymore, but I think next season I may watch some of the better teams/players because of all this talk
Steph ruined the nba
its steph...becuz he done it 1st out of the 2 and he's done it longer....and they both do a a large amount for their teams....Steph greatest ability is shooting but it's not this only...he's a great ball handler and passer and great in passing lanes defense..so they both have a crazy amount of highlights in different areas of their sport....but Steph has jus done it more and longer is the Only difference right now
@@treyvonnerobinson FACTS an so did LeBron 🗑
@@sykomichael83 he's not a great all around player , LMFAO not even close 💀
Steph lives at the free throw line is hilarious. Mad Dog don’t be up watching Steph play. 😂
You clearly didn't understand what he was trying to do. Way over your head!
@@FalseNi9e shut up dummy mad dog is wrong. how does a player who averages 4 free throws a game “live at the free throw line”?
2 year old JJ might just be smarter than Mad Dogg LOL
I need footage of them breaking down old games together
"He lives at the free throw line!" 😂😂😂😂
And so what? Watching the full game on video gives you an accurate insight of the game than playing it in your own biased memory.
JJ is looking like the “Mad” man when arguing against mad dog, who was so chill and just saying what he wanted to say 😂
Love what Mahomes is doing but those MVP Steph years were truly magical