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Everyone wants to know “what is woman?” But no one asks how is woman :-(
And the greatest philosophical question of them all,
WHY is Woman?
Those are all great questions, but you're forgetting the most important of all: *When* is Woman?
And you know Matt Walsh and these conservatives aren't good critical thinkers because they never ask"Where is a woman?"
If they did, they'd realize how many women are avoiding them.
Hold on guys, I don’t even know one basic thing: *Where* is woman?
@@olioliravioli6619 Woman is everywhere. Woman is even right behind you right now
Hey Forrest, from a struggling trans girl, I appreciate what you do. I know it doesn't mean much, but what you do helps people. Thanks.
This is just a fad and you should really consider not mutilating yourself for life. Get off the internet. How is your relationship with your father?
Trans girls together strong !!
I wish people could just accept others for who they are. Especially the "conservatives" (fascists).
I HOPE YOU ARE LOVED BY YOUR FAMILY. I LOVE YOU... MANY DECENT PEOPLE LOVE YOU ALSO.
@@Tcrror
As long as weirdos like you call every conservative a fascist nothing can change.😂
Ask Matt Walsh what an adult is.
You’ll find he’s suddenly a whole lot more nuanced.
or ask him what consent is. He really likes talking about the nuance of that.
@@smellycat57 It's all just so gosh darn confusing....to Matt.
🤦♂️ yeah cause theres 2 types of adult
One thats over the a certain age or a metaphorical meaning someone is independent ... mocking him like that is pretty shallow
@@anthonydelange4128 Matt believes age of consent is flawed. He thinks that dating someone under the age of 18 is ok as someone older.
@@smellycat57 pedophila is ok when conservatives do it.
"What is a man?"
Featherless biped
proves too much, lots of other featherless bipeds
An adult human male. Pretty simple really
A miserable pile of secrets
"BEHOLD PLATO's MAN" - Diogenes
@@ScepticEngineer Male and man are used often synonymously. Define a Male.
Nobody asks what a man is because Dracula clearly states "What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk... Have at you!"
A symphony of the night reference deserves infinite thumbs up.
Dang it, beat me to the punchline! Well done
"What is a man? A miserable little pile of BUUULLLLLLL SSSSHHHIIIIIIIIIIITTT...."
A man is a featherless biped.
XDD the moment I transitioned, I gained my miserable secrets. It was beautiful
This question of "What is a woman/man?" was one of the first things we tackled in philosophy 101 in college. The professor was the one asking the question, but, unlike the interviewers in these videos, took the time to point out how nuanced and hard to pin down something can be. From there we went on to writing an essay on "Why am I?".
Nuanced answers are totally fine… but refusing to answer any questions or getting defensive immediately only makes your position look very weak.
I would really like to see the full interviews just to see if any selective editing was going on there(like in the dishonest Ray Comfort videos)… but I am afraid that it would make those "experts“ look even worse.
@@ramigilneas9274 I've seen the full scene (at least the interview in the beginning). This clip was after the professor had just provided a several minute long explanation of the nuances which Matt Walsh (the interviewer) completely ignored and mocked. So, the expert is only defensive in response to pretty aggressive "interview" tactics.
Nope. Not hard at all. Adult human female.
@@TSDTalks22 that’s because it’s a bunch of nonsense that doesn’t answer the question.
@@cajunking5987 I aspire to have the confidence you do in being so boldly anti intellectual
7:47 On that note, no one is complaining about the sexualization of children when a children's book has a story featuring a boy or a girl who has a crush on someone of the opposite gender, but they complain to the moon and back if the story features someone who has a crush on someone of the same gender. Ridiculous.
Oh yes, the owl house
Not Matt though he sees the real problem
If you teach Bible in sunday schools that's what you expect.
@@anthonydelange4128 his problem would be same sex, so chill down mate.
homosexualism is a social construct. we don't want to put harmful ideas in kid's heads.
but being normal with a boy and a girl is a biological construct and thus shouldn't be avoided
Matt’s videos feel like those Philomena Cunk interviews but they’re actually serious
Do not sully the good name of Cunk
She's the best! 😂
I'm already a trans ally, but Forrest does such a good job at making me become a better one. Thanks for putting in so much work, Forrest!
Your support is heavily appreciated.
Ya know what they say about trans allies… 😏
@@BigFatWedge That they're good people...?
What is a trans ally?
@@drmantistoboggan2870 Someone who stands up against bigotry towards trans people.
I posed a question to my mother a couple weeks ago along these lines. “What’s a book?” Something you read, she says. “So, a sign is a book?” She clarifies that you need to open it to read it. “Then a newspaper can be a book?” This went on for a bit. With her now understanding the nuance of defining something, I asked, “What is a woman?” She gave me a look. (My mom watches Fox News and the like, so she now knew what I was referencing.) Why should a woman be easier to define than a book?
Anyway…
I appreciate you pointing out that “adult female human” doesn’t shut down this matter. To confirm the use of a synonym, I will look up a word’s definition and then look up a word used in said definition to get a more complete understanding. The fact that bigoted folks are unwilling to do this makes them seem kinda lazy, no? Can’t be bothered to dig a little deeper. I suppose that explains Ben Shapiro’s belief that “wet-ass p-word” is a concerning medical condition.
A definition that includes 99% of all books is probably just a few sentences long.
If you want to include 100% of all books you will ironically have to write a book that includes all exceptions.
But those definitions can also work by exclusion… so you can make a list of the traits that books don’t have or what isn’t a book.
So I am not sure how it is supposed to be bigoted to notice that the definition "A woman is an adult human female“ obviously excludes males.
@@ramigilneas9274 I mean, yeah? That’s the point? But as you’ve hopefully seen in the video itself you then have to define male and female which is tricky. And sure, you can come up with a definition that fits 99% of books, but if you see something that belongs to the 1%, do you suddenly consider it to be not a book anymore? If the definitions can’t account for exceptions, you don’t have a definition, you have a vague description.
Forrest Valkai is completely dishonest. Not only was the additional definition of "female" in relation to gender identity added UNDER PRESSURE from progressives THIS SUMMER, it also doesn't make ANY sense, because it refers to "an internal sense of being male, female, a combination or neither". That makes the definition CIRCULAR! "A female is a person who senses they are female." makes NO SENSE! What are these people sensing, that they can birth children? EVEN IF I were to grant you that answering "What is a w" is complex, the fact of the matter is this: Words convey the meanings we as a society ascribe to them. You know which meaning we have collectively never in the history of the word ascribed to it? The meaning of male sex. That's why words like "Women's Hospital" make sense (why specify it if sex were not an inherent meaning contained in the word). EVEN IF I would grant you that we can't easily summarize all the meaning that is conveyed with the term "Woman", we know what meaning is NOT conveyed by the word.
@@Damien-oi4vv Exceptions to a rule do not invalidate the rule. Intersex does not invalidate the existence of the two sexes.
@@Damien-oi4vv
Not really… if a definition doesn’t account for some rare exceptions then it can still be the best definition that we have, so it doesn’t suddenly become totally useless.
But to me it sounds like that’s exactly what people imply here… if a definition doesn’t account for some rare exceptions then it’s worthless and somehow means that it also no longer applies to things that it did account for.
The problem isn't with definitions the problem is that a large swath of our society just doesn't believe in facts or truth. They can't be swayed because it isn't about what's true, it's about what they think or believe is right.
:(
And what is the truth?
What do you see as "the truth" then? And is it based on objective reality or just what someone "identifies as"?
@@chrisw9534 dressing as the opposite gender doesnt make you the opposite gender. Mutilating yourself doesnt change your gender.
Well culture is what we collectively decide that it is .
If we, as a cultural group, decide that gender is a construct, then it is.
That means that a century ago, a "woman" was definitively the same as a "female", and a " man" was the same as a " male".
If we decide otherwise now, then it is otherwise now.
Even if the " nuance" makes things less cut and dry.
@@Vic2point0 If you have a prostate problem, you can identify yourself as a woman but you will still get up often at night to urinate. You will have the answer thanks to one of your organ since your brain doesn't seem to work
You can ask “what is a metal?”
To a chemist, it is an element that exhibits physical properties of hardness, conductivity etc.
To an astronomer, it is any element that isn’t hydrogen or helium.
To an engineer, it could also be an alloy
And to a road worker, “metal” is sometimes used to describe rubble.
And again, “what is a fish?”
Biologically speaking, fish don’t exist because it’s actually three classes of animal, but culturally and socially, “fish” obviously exist. Does our cultural view on things rely stringently on a scientific definition?
Just some thoughts.
I mean, they should atleast reflect reality. When it comes to actual humans, a way too simplified Definition can erease tons of living people who don't fit into the neat category
and when you ask a musician it gets quite nuanced as well :D
@@zbigniewszatkowski530 I was just about to say the same, but then I saw the original question was "what is a metal" and not "what is metal", and metal as a music genre isn't the type of noun that can take an indefinite article :')
But yeah, even when we're talking about metal as a genre, definitions vary widely and there's no clear cut-off points _anywhere_. Especially because in music, there's nothing exclusive. There's nothing prescribing any specific song to commit to one genre and one genre alone without any influences from other genres, and most of today's genres are the result of people doing exactly that: mixing influences from different styles and genres to create new sounds. Guitar riffs in a lot of metal lean heavily on classical music in terms of musical theory, for example, and obviously rock was an important influence too. But where does rock end and metal begin? Is rap metal a kind of rap music with metal influences, or a kind of metal music with rap influences? None of it is answerable, none of it is clear-cut.
And yet (and that's the most important part to the analogy), the words are still useful enough to have social utility, to be able to be used, despite there being no absolute or clearly delineated definition or set of absolute criteria. The word still functions just fine, and it still has loads of communicative value. There's no reason why "woman" needs to be any different.
Fish have distinct features that most people know about, you point at an animal and ask "what is this?" And 99% of people will agree if it is a fish or not.
But with gender if all it depends on is how a person feels then no one will be able to tell which gender they are unless they ask and even then it has no bearing on behavior or physical features which kinda makes the concept of gender useless. This might be a good or a bad thing, I am not the one to say. I'm kinda looking forward to the future where there are no gender norms and we can all act and dress like we are in a video game but then again i think that a society functions more smoothly when there are some gender norms.
@@Narko_Marko Well, a large proportion (in fact I believe the main proportion) of trans people do choose to present as their gender, so people can generally tell at a glance. And quite a few people who present ambiguously give small signs.
Hey Forrest! I'm a trans girl who was recently outted to my family. This video is gonna be a very important resource for me organizing my thoughts to them when I see them in person. Thank you for the work you're doing for us here
hope everything goes well for you, stay safe out there
It's always rough discussing the topic if you're not ready for it. Good luck! I'd suggest also checking out Forrest Valkai's guest spot on the Atheist Experience on the subject as well, since it also goes into some good detail about it.
That really sucks, I'm sorry for that and hope you'll come to terms with your family, and also hope you have good friends to count on.
But I'd like to ask some questions as a guy questioning his gender identity that still doesn't totally feel like a girl: how was the process of discovering yourself? Did it just click for you like for some people or was it something gradual? How did it affect your view on things around you?
I would really appreciate your help, and even though my good wishes for you and your family won't do much, your self discovery journey would probably change my life forever.
What do you mean by "girl"?
@@johnfitzgerald8879 not a boy
I posted on Twitter once asking if people arguing against transgender rights realized that psychology was a thing that exists, and that you can't know who a person is just by looking at them.
The utter freak out reaction I got back showed me that no, no they don't. To a large number of people, everyone is exactly who they assume them to be based on their external appearance. It was very eye opening HOW MANY people thought that way.
So... whenever they see a woman they assume all kinds of things that may not be true and will get angry at the person for failing to fit into their box.
They want to define people by these imagined "requirements" in order to justify their hissy fits. They want to define truth rather than discover it.
That... explains a lot.
Leaving aside the gender debate, do you realize how wrong it is to judge someone based on their appearance and on your preconceived notions about them?
Frankly, it’s scary for someone with social anxiety like me 😢
@@adityapatil4489 It's unfortunately somewhat hard-wired in humans; you have to actively cultivate awareness of your biases and "gut feelings" to avoid making bad judgements when intuition isn't enough.
@@nio804 (Edit: I reread your comment and you mentioned it being hardwired, which might also play a part, but either way.) I struggle with this a lot actually. I grew up in a pentecostal family in a small town in Sweden. Needless to say, there was no acceptance of queer people, and I'd barely ever seen a black person so all my exposure to people of other colours have been from mostly American media and all of the misrepresentation that entails. So now I'm in my 30s and living away from the influence of my dad, I'm constantly checking my biases on a nearly daily basis. Externally, I probably look like a "woke communist stereotypical leftist Scandinavian", but that's only after my gut reaction has been filtered through all of my conscious bias checks. I wish being a decent person who was naturally accepting of people different from me came easy but it doesn't. It's a constant work in progress. Maybe one day I'll get there.
@@Inspirement Don't be too hard on yourself; I don't think *anyone* is naturally just a "good person", and I don't think people have nearly as much control over their own choices as they'd like. Sometimes you just get dealt a bad hand due to factors outside your control and have more to work on than other people might.
And having "bad" thoughts is not a problem by itself if they don't lead to bad actions. (Just as having good intentions doesn't mean you're necessarily doing good)
I think recognizing that your biases exist and wanting to change yourself is the first step to doing it; another big one is changing your environment.
I've found it effective to not even try to directly change my behaviour too much. Instead, I change things in my environment so that it's easier for me to be the way I want to be, and the behaviour changes naturally.
"It goes against my belief and I'm always right so therefore it's wrong" - this comment section.
Intellectual dishonesty lies in refusing to address difficult questions, not in the questions themselves. 🙃
“Intelligential dishonesty lies in refusing to address a complex answer(s) to difficult questions, not the answer itself”
@@cyber4053 “True wisdom lies not in the satisfaction of (bad) answers, but in the pursuit of deeper questions beyond the veil of certainty.”
Cyber..."what is a woman" is Not a difficult question, nor is the answer "complex".
We all know what a woman is, BS and virtue signaling aside. Even the people who play the gender identity game know what a woman is, and they know what a woman isnt.
This is exactly why every single man that claims to be a woman tries as hard as they can to appear as a *Female* . 👍
I said it before and I'll say it again. Forrest Valkai is one of THE most important teachers of the modern era.
Sure is one of them!
Agree 100%
Well, I guess you can't say that often enough. The world would be clearly better off with more teachers like him.
Nah
This video aside (not because it's not informative, but cuz I've had to learn all of this before as a trans person who constantly has to defend their identity) I've not seen a single video from Forrest where I haven't learned and actually understood something new. Genuinely a fantastic teacher.
No one asks "What is a man" because Dracula already answered that question
Dracula: [flings his wine glass aside] A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk! Have at you!
@@tuntemon There are a lot of people here who have signed up for Dracula Daily, I see.
Can anybody supporting the trans bullshit say what a woman is without using the word or a synonym in the definition?
What is a man?
Thanks forest. I actuality learnt a lot, and while you may think the nuance is obvious, it isn't. I really think you should do a few more videos on this. All we see over the internet are people asking what a woman is and learned people stumbling over the answers, I've not actually had anyone explain the why and how's like this. So I appreciate this.
The question is : why do they stumbke over answers, when a woman is an adult human female, what even a child would know?
They use this question in the same way that a _"Chewbacca argument"_ is used. A Chewbacca argument is when somebody says something nonsensical and pretends that the disorientation it generates proves something about their opponent.
Except in their case, they are demanding a (brief) WRONG answer and then claiming victory when somebody tries to give them them the (longer) correct one.
it's so funny to me that Southpark came up with this, but lawyers now use it to refer to an actual type of argument ^^
I was on Roblox a while ago in a LGBTQ+ hangout experience and this one kid showed up, asked what a woman was, waited for 10 seconds, then called everyone idiots by not answering, and left.
Typing, everyone was typing, but the kid left before they could send their messages.
If you watch Matt's film, he's not demanding a brief answer, he's just demanding a non-circular answer. By his own admission:
"I never asked for a simple definition, I just asked for *A* definition, any definition, some kind of meaning. You can give me a complicated definition, that's fine, go ahead, try me. I'd be totally fine with that."
@@reubenmanzo2054 That's a meaningless statement if he doesn't even try to listen to the longer arguments.
@@MossMothMyBeloved Again, he's after a non-circular answer. If you can provide such an answer, great. Take as much time as you need.
Jessie Gender made a long-form video breaking down Walsh's foolishness. It unfortunately keeps getting taken down by UA-cam despite the fact that there's not a thing wrong with it...but if you can, I suggest catching it on Nebula, because it's brilliant!
I tried watching it on UA-cam but only got until the 15 minute mark before it got removed which is really sad because she made great arguments that I still use against transphobes
I was able to watch all 4 hours before it got taken down, she does a great job breaking every down, and understand her frustration with UA-cam taking her work to combat the hate promoted by Walsh.
Seriously? That video has been in my feed for a month and I didn't look at it because I thought it was one of those schmucks like him. It's still up
@@whatabouttheearth That's only the primer. The full analysis is 4 hours long and was released last week. An edited version of it is set to (hopefully) release this Friday.
I've been encouraging people to download ublock origin to block youtube's ads. If we want youtube to pay attention, we need to hit em where it hurts, and clearly they only thing they have EVER given a flying fuck about is money.
Can I just say that I really appreciate you, Forrest? You've managed to take biology, already one of the coolest subjects out there, and make it even more interesting. Your enthusiasm is infectious, and it's blatantly obvious that you love what you teach. Thank you for all you do. Love you brother.
Forrest Valkai is completely dishonest. Not only was the additional definition of "female" in relation to gender identity added UNDER PRESSURE from progressives THIS SUMMER, it also doesn't make ANY sense, because it refers to "an internal sense of being male, female, a combination or neither". That makes the definition CIRCULAR! "A female is a person who senses they are female." makes NO SENSE! What are these people sensing, that they can birth children?
As a trans woman, I just wanted to say thank you :)
What is a woman
@@electroskates2434 woman :)
adult human female@@electroskates2434
female is someone with xx chromosomes, ovaries, uterus, large gametes, increased estrogen and a vagina
glad to help :)
what is,@@wyvernscale9634 , a :)
@@electroskates2434what is a chair
Can we just appreciate that forest used the letter/symbol for micro to convey that this is a micro reaction 🤣
What is a man?
"A Miserable little pile of secrets"- Dr.Acula
I like the way you attributed that. XD
gotta love the "basic biology" argument and then they melt when you bring up advanced biology.
Seriously. Do they demand chromosomal testing before calling someone a 'woman'? These people aren't half as clever as they think they are.
Ultimately they'll just fold into a ball and deny the science.
Because that science is "new" science made by supposedly biased scientists or scientists afraid of the woke mob so they made a bunch of lies up to appease the crowd.
No, they can never point out the flaws in that science.
No, they can never point to other peer reviewed research disputing that science.
They choose ignorance because ignorance affirms what they already believed. Ironic coming from the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd
Not just advanced biology, also simple surgery. Most „biology“ arguments that weren‘t genetic were about the naughty bits, or the organs for breeding being present and functioning. Many people with the correct genetics are not able to breed due to health issues, or simply because nature hated them/loved them to not give them that. (Depends on the persons own perception of the matter of course which one applies)
Most recently in "transphobes don't know biology" we have their anger over that alien library mascot with they/them pronouns, terfs got all "why is it genderless? It has to reproduce sexually, it's a vertebrate, not a slime mold"
Of course forgetting that parthenogenesis occurs in some vertebrates, and that some slime molds reproduce sexually, and that an alien doesn't have to be exactly like an earthling, and that the alien in question is a library mascot intended to inspire kids to read and we don't need to think about how they reproduce, and that reproduction and pronouns are two entirely different things
@@storyspren
No, pronouns are a very important thing in our reproduction cycle.
When humans want to breed they simply throw their pronouns at each other and BAM!
Pregnant.
And that kids is where babys come from.
Matt Walsh will pick this up, do a stupid response to it, and you'll get all of his little incels running to your video and blowing up your dms.
So if men can identify as women then why can’t I identify as a hamster?
@@Tablespoonmischief you can identify as what you want, but pretending that the social construction of gender in humans is at all even remotely similar to the fact that different species exist is just disingenuous and an attempt to change the subject.
@@cloyphishs1049 Gender is not a social construct. Gender roles are social constructs. And if gender identity is separate from sex then we’re just admitting that gender is now make believe as it has no basis in external reality.
@@Tablespoonmischief many believe it’s a social construct, I’m iffy about it. There may be some neurological basis to it (therefore, biological). I’m asserting that gender has social constructs associated with it, like you mentioned. Race is a social construct in the same manner. Would you also say that’s make believe? So is nationality, age, intelligence, and beauty.
The difference between humans and other animals are our brains and how we use them. Communities are formed with commonalities. Men and women are real in society, and over generations society has constructed features which it associates with men and women (which you agree with). Gender and sex mean different things. If you don’t think they do, then stop using one of the terms and say sex is sex. We know that not even sex is binary, so if you’re reducing women to a set of sex organs, then the problem is you.
So yes, being a trans person does not change the person’s assigned gender at birth, but it does shape how you view yourself in society, and how others view you. Let’s pretend for a moment that transfolk are just trying to be the “opposite sex” and that it’s all make believe. What purpose will that fulfil and to whose benefit? Why would you pretend to be something which will get you discriminated against to the point where sometimes you’re bashed, killed and r*ped?
At the end of the day, you’ll have to ask yourself, what is the real opposition you have to trans people and how does it negatively affect others. When you can define that, we can progress further.
If you, however, think that sex and gender are the same thing and the same concept, then we can’t move any further in this discussion because we fundamentally disagree.
@@cloyphishs1049 Race isn’t a social construct, it’s genetics. What are you talking about? Same as sex. Sex is based on biology. So you’re saying that gender is just based on how we feel. So essentially the trans movement wants to define gender as make believe, which means gender is useless in society. Because we can literally all have our own genders. Gender = personality.
I say that what defines a woman is biology. You say it’s gender stereotypes. I believe that’s extremely sexist.
You can view yourself however you want, it doesn’t change how the rest of society is required to feel about you.
I have ZERO opposition to trans people, I have opposition to being bullied into accepting “science” that is BS and being forced to redefine how we use language.
I think that that misconstrues the argument. (Not that I like Matt Walsh, he's insane) However, take for example, a tomboy. They don't have typical female personalities, or follow female associated traditions or constructs. They're still women. You can't give a true and clear explanation of what a woman or female is.
To be clear, I support anyone's right to identify as whatever they like. However, if you leave no distinction between sex and gender, the only shared characteristics between women is the fact that they are human beings. I agree there is a lot of nuance, but it works both ways. Women and trans women are different things, and that needs to be recognized.
The opposition is to gender ideology. If you agree that trans women and women are in different categories, just like tomboy and boy are different, then you reject gender ideology. You will get attacked, harass, opposed and condemned when you publicly reject gender ideology.
I’m glad you’re tackling this. I’ve seen this online before, people saying stuff like “You can’t even define what a woman is, why should we believe you in anything you say”. It’s genuinely kind of annoying, as they clearly haven’t thought about it or researched the subject at all. There are some other videos that I’ve also seen (well, 1 really) about how “you can’t chose your pronouns” or something dumb (funnily enough, from Matt Walsh, like the video shown at the beginning, which is what I presume is the video you talked about ending up in your FYP). These people genuinely anger me and I wish they didn’t have a platform. Or at least, a platform as large as they do
This "you can't choose your pronouns" thing boggles me. By this same logic you can't choose your name.
Your name is Josiah? Sorry, I'm gonna call you José, you don't get to pick your name after all, I get to decide what your name is
@@Chaosmancer7 but.. most people don't get to choose their name... their parents do
The last time someone asked me what a woman is I said "I see why you'd ask me that. They're the people that refuse to have anything to do with you." He got mad, and said i was just insulting him, but why would i even answer a loaded question like that...
@@aristotlespupil136 You, in fact, can choose your name by changing it.
@@aristotlespupil136 And yet if you wish to legally change your name, you can. And you introduce yourself, so you choose how people who aren't immediate family address you. And many people do just that, because it is your name, you decide what it is
What IS a woman? Well, a human being, first and foremost, so let's respect her privacy and not go snooping in her underwear drawer, Matty Boy
So all humans are women
This silly bullshit is why it has to be asked, we all KNOW a woman is an adult human female
@@cajunking5987 All squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.
@@cajunking5987 not all. Some of them are trolls.
@@joejohnson9499 what is a square? It’s a rectangle so shut up and stop asking.
Gee thanks, now I know what it is
I've been watching your chanel for a while now and holy shit, i wish i had people like you in my live. Keep being awesome.
"An adult human with an internal sense of being primarily female." Yup, works for me.
Internal sensation that doesn't accord with outer empirical reality i.e. delusion
Doesn't work for me. You can't just say you're a woman. You're little genders are stupid and making then fluid makes them useless
@@ThatisnotHair Eh, psychology is what matters with gender. How come all the therapies you claim to muster that aren't gender-affirming care do nothing to reduce gender dysphoria?
If you feel like your sex is female even though it is not, that does not make you female.
Na not for me
The portrait layout on the thumbnail led me to expect a short. I was very pleasantly surprised.
Thank you for making your one response to this type of video so incisive and comprehensive - I can't imagine what more a second video could need to add to this.
As a trans woman, this means so much to me. Thank you for making this.
as a trans woman, I second this
As a trans woman, I third this
as a trans woman, I fourth this
As a gender fluid cd, I fifth this.
As a trans man, I seventh this
I don't care whether or not I'll watch a video that'll save my life or the entire planet in the future, this one will always be my favorite, the way you put thoughts into words is very straight forward and easy to understand and I'm thankful that people like you exist
This is great. Thanks so much for bringing up and making such exhaustive response.
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I've always been an ally, but I appreciate how Forrest gives me better and more fact-based topics and speaking points to arm myself with. There's a ton of hate out there and I believe it comes from a mountain of ignorance and fear. Having the scientific means to discuss it in a rational discussion is so wonderful and I thank you for giving me that ability better than I could just on my own. Your cheerful disposition while not letting BS trespass through fact is exactly what we all need.
You need to distinguish between biological sex and gender identity. Biological sex is the sexual traits with no name. They just exist as is. After all, animals don't call themselves men or women. Gender identity is the label itself. It encompasses the name as well as gender roles and norms. For instance, a 2012 journal by Phadke, Cooper, and Zufall outline a species called Tetrahymena thermophila. What I learned from it is that it has 7 sexes and that each sex can mate with any but its own. Sex remains constant but gender is the term. Just like man and woman, we gave this species roman numeral names I, II, III, IV, V, VI, and VII. Now this might be easier to understand because we didn't attach social norms to it yet. But would it have mattered if we switched some of those roman numerals up when assigning them? Would it make a difference if we turned II into V instead or vice versa? No. We could have even given them alphabet letter names too. We can define man and woman. However, it is not as rigid as you think. They're just more open definitions. After all, definitions in general are descriptive and not prescriptive. They're there to help us understand the world not to assign names to things. They may refer to feminine roles or social norms for women or loosely refer to some sexual traits but it is not purely exclusive. After all, some people may still call themselves a woman even if they're intersex or have an XY chromosome but have Y deactivation. There are hundreds of sex traits and they can't neatly fit into two boxes. Much like how we have a discernible definition for fruit or veggie. A fruit can be defined, but is broad enough to encompass apples, oranges, etc. An element can be defined as the four elements air, water, earth, or fire. Or it can encompass the periodic elements. It can literally encompass absolutely everything, but we still have a definition for it.
I'm all for LGBT+ and their rights but am a little confused about the gender identity stuff. More so how there can be more than just a man or a woman? I've looked up different genders and most of them seem to just be someone who fits somewhere along the spectrum between man or woman. Why can't we just have man or woman but people behave and wear what they want? Why does there need to be a label put on a man wearing a dress and makeup?
Going to the analogy that was shown in the video of the table and foot stall. It was the first time I've been given a good example of how man/woman is more complex than just 1s and 0s but then I started thinking more about it. You'd never question that a table is a table regardless of whether it had 4 or 6 legs or whether it was big or small. You know what a table is based on many factors. The same goes for how it's used, if you stand on a table to reach up high, is it now a step stool? But no one ever (that I know of) has called a table a step stool or changed its label just because it was used differently to the social norm. It's always just "I stood on the table".
Thinking about it, I think what I'm trying to ask is why is gender different from sex? Yes, there is this social construct that says women should stay at home and look after the children, men shouldn't wear dresses or wear makeup, and women shouldn't be a mechanic etc but why does the social construct have to mean the label needs changing? I've been trying to find out what other genders there are but can only find lists of gender terms (maybe someone can enlighten me to other genders besides man or woman? Ik about intersex though.) but all the terms seem to mean the same thing. For example "Amicagender" where someone changes their gender depending on the friends they have is very similar to "Ambonec" A person who identifies themselves as both man and woman but does not belong to either. Aren't they the same thing? And what is Caelgender? From what I have looked up it's shares quality with outer space or shares the aesthetic of space, stars etc. So now I'm even more confused. Why can't it just be "a man or woman who likes things to do with outer space"? Why is there a label for people who like an aesthetic? And what are the behaviors do the people who identify as Caelgender?
Don't get me wrong, I'm totally for trans people etc and honestly, this isn't directed at trans people, that's easy to wrap my naive head around but I don't get the gender thing whatsoever. You're either assigned male or female at birth depending on several factors and therefore you're either a man or a woman (even if you transition to the other sex). And If you are a man who likes to wear dresses or a woman who likes fast cars and works as a mechanic then so be it but why do we have to create labels for some spectrum? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what it means by behaviors of a gender idk. I understand I'm likely dumb but do want to wrap my head around the gender identity I'm just struggling when in my mind a male is a man and a female is a woman and how they want to behave, what they want to wear, who they want to have relationships with is entirely up to them and shouldn't be judged for it but don't understand why we need to change the label?
All the "identities" outside of man and woman I've seen people describe on TikTok all boil down to personality traits. However, even ones who "identify" as a man or woman often justify it with their personality, whether feminine or masculine.
The ideology is an incoherent mess that's detached from reality.
@@mariomiceli9663 That's how I view it too. It just seems to be personality traits but a label is put on it for some reason that somehow means someone isn't a man or a woman. I completely get people don't want to constrain themselves to the social constructs that we have in society but why create a label for it? Just want to be able to wrap my head around it.
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To be honest, you will never be able to wrap your head around it. It’s full of inconsistencies and contradictions. You’re absolutely correct. Every “gndr” outside of man and woman is either a combination of the two, the absence of the two, or something completely irrelevant to gndr, but labeled a gndr anyway.
I had an argument with a coworker about trans people and social roles as a whole and he went on a whole diatribe about how much of a man he is. How he pays his bills and cares for his kids, etc. but you know what he never said? That he had a penis. Crazy how that works.
It's also funny, because real men aren't transphobes.
Because those of us who reject transgenderism understand that men typically have penises.
@@Vic2point0 And yet when you people aren't paying attention, you unintentionally admit that gender is a social construct not involving genitals. As Wallfacer's coworker did.
@@Vic2point0 men typically aren’t little pussies who concern themselves with what parts are in the pants of people they’ll never meet
@@EBDavis111 Saying there are different types of men is not the same as saying gender is a social construct 🙄Furthermore, that's simply confusing gender roles and norms with gender itself.
I was listening to this video in the background and zoned out towards the end. My brain decided to focus up just in time to hear the words "boiling women down to their organs" and I was beyond confused. 🤣
Not me jotting down a crime thriller plot. Writersareevil. 😈
Ironic that these people claim to not want to reduce people to their body parts, yet they have no problem calling women "birthing people" and "chest feeders".
Soup stock.
I am almost 66 years old so I grew up in a different time. But I finally learned that homosexual rights are human rights. The homosexual population does not want special rights, they just want the same rights as everyone else. And since I learned that lesson it was not hard for me to learn that trans rights are human rights too.
Whatever your daily activities are, keep at them because being 66 and still being able to learn something new is an actual super power.
Thank you for being in a older generation and wanting to learn and accept new ideas it means a lot to people in minority groups. So thank you and please keep learning.
If trans rights are human rights, as is the claim, then why the special tag? Why not just call them human rights?
@@reubenmanzo2054 Because they have been historically denied to them. In other words, trans people have the same rights that you and I have. It emphasizes the fact that they have been discriminated against.
@@subductionzone Historically? Where were they prior to 10 years ago?
The only thing I don't understand is the term 'designated sex at birth.' This seems to imply that sex is assigned and can change, like gender. Can your sex change during your lifetime or is it strictly gender we're talking about?
Our sex is Observed at birth, quite clearly. Humans cannot change their sex. They can't change their gender either, not objectively. A man can claim to identify as a woman but that just makes him a man that identifies as a woman...it's biological, despite what lunatics claim.
@@mariomiceli9663 no you can change your gender, gender is phenotypical and sex is genetic, you cant change genetics but you can change your gender, a gender change operation exists for a reason.
@@guilhermecastro9893 "gender change operation" 🤣 which most people know as Sex change or these days - "bottom surgery". But of course one cannot actually change sex (or gender). Removing or altering organs does not magically change what you are. Man and woman are objective terms as ones gender is objectively verifiable....but by all means, have fun playing make believe.
@@guilhermecastro9893"Gender is phenotypical."
Ideas like that are heretical in gender circles. Most trans-activists want gender identity to be a purely internal claim that is unfalsifiable from an outsider perspective.
They don't even like it when well-meaning scientists try to discover the underlying causes of gender dysphoria and/or gender identity.
Some supporting evidence:
A fairly prominent trans activist named Katie Montgomery has said,
"I am very strongly opposed to a biological test for transness"
on Xitter.
Internet-rot has unfortunately made the context difficult to find, but from what I remember, he was responding to an account named Translucent_Org. It was reporting on a recent breakthrough of this type, and a bunch of trans advocates piled on, and complained at them.
All this to say, trans-gender stuff is anti-science. It's a metaphysical model designed to give those who follow its tenets authority over people and authority over lower-case "truth".
No one has authority over "Truth", but they can make it increasingly difficult to access it.
Excellent video, thanks for keeping on keeping on :) keep up the great work!
You know, as a trans guy I've always struggled with that little voice in the back of my mind going "What if they're right? What if I hurt people by being?" and knowing that people like Forrest disagree with that sentiment is just so freeing. Thank you.
You are mentally ill, just probably not a degenerate, atleast I hope. Gender dysmorphia is a mental disorder, you feel like you were not born in the right body. There's dissonance between your self-image and your physical appearance and your biology.
There's also a mental disorder that makes you feel like 2 arms is one too many for you, and you feel like your arm should be amputated for you to be you. Very similar to gender dysmorphia, but only one of these is entertained as perfectly okay and normal and yay hurray parade, while the other one is seen for what it is. A mental illness that needs to be treated.
Even if their "right" and trans peoole are not 'real men/women" and your just "mentally ill & degenerated" (which all just depends on arbitrary subjective definitions, so its just semantics anyway)... how would you then hurt people by being? Where is the harm in any of it? I think their playing the semantics game and pull up those fringe cases (like womens sports) to deflect from the point, that trans people existing do not harm anything other then their bigoted feelings
It’s fucking sickening that you’ve been made to feel that way “what if I hurt people by being” baby noooo never that’s horrible and so warped, god I’m disgusted by anyone who has created that discourse
Please keep doing you, the world needs empathetic, complex beings, let’s create a better discourse for the next generation to believe about themselves
"what if I hurt people by being"??? tf? do you seriously for a second that made sense? like, I guess you can say that indirectly "being" means "doing" as like you can only "be" if you "do" but I still find it dumb to say "be" what hurts is obviously "doing", just existing is not going to cut people's extremities
@@mb207 well that people is dumb, just being can't hurt, is dumb
trans ftm here, although i don't have the same experiences as trans women i really appreciate you sticking up for the trans community. you bring together two of my favorite things, safe spaces, and science 💜
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Science!? hahahahahahahahahaha....throwing away biology and science out the window because it doesn't suit the agenda/ideology...sigh
Go seek PROFESSIONAL help before you do something you'll regret later!
@@bewArcher you're watching a video talking about science and claiming science doesn't support trans people
go look at literally all of science or even just watch this video
@@bewArcher bro says im throwin away biology and science when biology and science literally back me up 💀if your agenda/ideology on biology is true, then how come intersex people exist? they literally break the gender binary and essentially disprove any claims of gender being only classified by two categories.
Why dont you debate matt Walsh?
"its a more nuanced answer than is expected" is the correct answer to the trolls
Yup, the beautiful thing about the world is that its way more complicated than we generally realize and so many things are on a sliding scale rather than just simple black and white
actually its a really stupid answer there is no nuance in what a woman is. it is a simple binary
@@007kingifrit so what's your answer
@@kermitthorson9719 a woman has xx chromosomes and is born with a vagina barring mutations
@@007kingifrit ever heard of buck angel?
Ok the table analogy is REALLY REALLY good. I haven't heard that before and I really love it. Def love Austin's vids. Forrest's as well of course 🙂
It's actually an awful analogy
A table is man made : Ironically, a human construct. The reality of most animals falling under two categories for reproduction is not a human construct but a description we give to natural facts about sexual reproduction
The argument does not even work anyway. A table was made by humans with an intended purpose. You can give a list of characteristics but tables do not need to follow a set precise characteristics to be labelled a table, as long it was made with the intent to be one in mind. You can have tables with four legs, or one that hangs from the wall
Society, and in fact humanity, always has defined male and female, and man and woman in the context of biological realities : One impregnates, the other bears the offspring. Bringing philosophy and the fact that definitions are subjective and it's by necessity impossible to give a 100% definition to every single concept we observe is irrelevant to the usage of those words
One of the things that I love about hearing Forrest talk about this issue, is that he appears genuinely puzzled that people can't see the beauty in the truth of the answer. If people like him are teaching the current generation then this will soon dissolve into an interesting discussion, not looking for a simple myth that doesn't require you to think.
It seems to be mainly theists getting their knickers in a knot about what people look like naked before they can interact with them. Get over it people - it's none of your business!!
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"A person who identifies as a woman is a woman" - is a very bad definition, because it is self-referenced. You cannot define word X using word X.
Exactly. A literal example of circular definition. All definitions of woman that attempt to include trans woman are either circular or nonsensical.
you should really check out how social constructs work. Or just identities in general. I feel like a little bit of sociology/anthropology should be mandatory in highschool, to avoid these levels of confusion on pretty simple topics 😉 (not that it is your fault, you were never taught this after all, but you should really look it up)
@@riccardozanoni2531 A little bit of logic definitely much more needed in schools. To avoid confusion in very basic things and mistakes like circular references. Logic is a base for any kind of knowledge/understanding, including sociology.
@@draculus666 ah, they say ignorance is bliss, i'd say it's more a joke than it is anything else, but you tell me, do you feel blessed?
@@riccardozanoni2531 How it's connected to a circular reference error?
7:24 Well we know that already. "A miserable little pile of secrets"
Ah, yes, a UA-cam short of 12 minutes.
Great video, by the way.
That guy is a joke. Glad you addressed him, Valkai
jokes are typically funny
@@chair547 and jokes are often times unfunny
Unfortunatelly, he is a dangerous joke too.
I don’t like Walsh… but he managed to interview lots of insane people who make him look very smart.😂
@@ramigilneas9274 A one eyed creature in a group with no eyes is king
I think Miriam Webster defining female (adjective) as opposite of male, and male as opposite of female, is quite problematic (definition 1b). I'm surprised the dictionary got away with it really, they're avoiding the answer in a very nice way.
Now I know I removed the word identity from this definition so I'll put it back… female is having a gender identity that is the opposite of male”. But this has the same problem if we equally define male as having a gender identity the opposite of female. ie: it simply becomes "female is having a gender identity of female".
Now combine that with the (1a) definition, and female is either
a) the sex that typically can bear young or produce eggs, or
b) having a gender identity of female.
So (b) remains circular.
c/d/e/f/g don't help either - they're all circular, defining female as related to females, girls, items typically used by girls etc.
Female (adj) Definition 3 simply describes male/female parts, where physical a male thing fits in a female thing, so obviously using sexual anatomy in that one.
Female (noun) definition is equally useless.
a) a female is a female person. Woman or girl.
b) capable of bearing young (like 1a above).
The anthropology book then doesn't define a woman, but defines gender. Which is a cultural construction of behaviours appropriate for each sex but can't be predicted by the biological sex of the individual. This is useful and if we use this sex vs gender differentiation it becomes easier to define things. These are different things - and as different things the implication is that if a form says "gender" a trans woman would tick "female" but if it says "sex" she would tick "male". This would be an important distinction if she is going in for kidney surgery or whatever - but I've never seen forms done this way and I think they would just increase confusion. And if in conversation the word "woman" (and pronoun "she") can refer to sex OR gender then it raise a problem of dual meanings. Using a single word for two different things is easy when they align. We generally seem to be following gender (not sex) for he/she, while if you’re seeing a doctor the biology is more relevant (and we have debates about women’s pro-sport and dating).
But again, the text you read then goes further and says anthropologists question the assumption that humans come in only two biological *sexes* with gender roles built on those 2 sexes... and that how we experience our bodies is culturally shaped. I don't think he meant we literally have hundreds of different physical sexes (like a muscly man is a different man to petite man, perhaps?), but it immediately removes the clarity of sex vs gender as a biological vs social construct (but the passage then switches back to biology vs culture in the next paragraph).
The anthropology book as quoted doesn't describe what a woman is either... just gender. So female identity is still left as identifying with female culturally constructed traits, which still circularly defines female as identifying with female things, where those female thing are probably not related to biological female things.
And it's a dangerous area, because if we went out and defined those female things I believe that'd be sexist too, because they're not biologically related.
All that said.. once gender is accepted purely as a social construct, it seems to reduce to a multiplicity of personality traits. I personality don't want to be defined as 1 of 2 culturally constructed traits, I don't fit either stereotype, so fine I'm 1 of 100 genders, which I guess relate back to the big 5 personality traits, and my likes, and also societal stereotypes of what male and female should be (which is also different in the 2020s to the 1960s or 1800s). Even if we accept 100 genders it's still ignoring the spectrum and it is labelling ourselves (which I wouldn't do with starsigns or personality traits, but some people like it) and that makes us static. More importantly even with 1000 genders or a spectrum it'll still leave us all with the final "he/she/they" identifier we want used in every conversation about us that just perpetuates our adherence to a oversimplified cultural construct for others to unconsciously make assumptions from.
Maybe EVERYONE should just be "she". Would that get rid of the problem? It might be easier.
(And still needs the debate about what to say when seeing a doctor, competing in women's sports, and dating etc)
[Damn, this is over a year old. I'd really like to sort out my understanding of the above and find some small or gaping holes]
First, I would like to say that I appreciate your videos. I am not a biologist and have learned much from your videos. I am in several debate groups on Facebook (I get bored 🙂) and reference your videos quite often. Most of the nut jobs that I have conversations with are dishonest and not interested in what is actually true, however, so I suspect they fear learning something and don't actually watch the video. I can't count how many times I have been asked by these people, what is a woman - never what is a man as you pointed out. I would reference your video on sex and gender but this is now my favorite video for that question. You are awesome. Keep up the good work!!
"most of the nut jobs that I have conversations with are dishonest and not interested in what is actually true"
The irony of this statement, ive asked several people in this comment section basic questions based on what you're advocating for and they run for the hills as soon as they dont have a pre prepared script to read from.
There is a complete lack of critical thinking from anyone who believes this nonsense.
This isnt his field of expertise, but go dig yourself a hole. I countered every one of his arguments. And yes i do enjoy his videos on evolution and basically anytime he debunks a creationist. But this isn't his topic, this topic has much more political and social nuance . Than his expertise
As Jessie Gender pointed out, Matt doesn't believe his stated premise. He claims "woman" is defined by chromosomes and plumbing, and yet he repeatedly shows through unspoken visual cues that he views gender not merely as descriptive but also prescriptive. When he speaks to his wife, she is shown in the kitchen doing traditional wife duties and needing a man's help opening a jar. He opens the documentary talking about how he can "see" that his sons and daughters are fundamentally different, and not once in that monologue does he cite chromosomes or plumbing.
"not once in that monologue" Well Matt Walsh may think about the fertility of underage girls a lot but I guess he draws the line at his own daughter.
Needing a man's help to open a jar is chromosomes. Men have on average greater upper body strength. You don't have to look at someone's dick to notice they have a beard. That's why there is such a thing as beards.
@@darrennew8211 - strong women don't exist? The Bearded Woman didn't exist?
@@danielcrafter9349 What part of "average" do you not understand? Are you saying average women grow beards?
Let me guess: you gave absolutely no thought to what I was saying, and dove in looking for any excuse to dismiss me, because deep down inside you know you're being unreasonable but it's now such a part of your psyche that you can't let it go.
@@darrennew8211 So... What about a trans woman that needs a man's help to open a jar? Is THAT chromosomes?
I mean, all words are made up anyways. You can be a woman and not have xx chromosomes. Just let people be themselves if it’s not hurting themselves, others, or the environment. ❤️
Edit: I do acknowledge and agree that words do have power, but they’re very flexible and the term “woman” applies to a beautiful diverse population, rather than having a singular meaning. ❤️
thats how i feel. as long as a person isn't hurting others or themselves or the planet, be what you want. i will admit though, i have unfortunately come across a few people who were just trolling this philosophy/lifestyle to just get attention and/or harass others. so i guess it can work vice versa in that aspect.
what i mean guys, is i suppose nothing and no one is ever going to be perfect no matter how they/we view things. bc that is just reality, everything in creation is flawed to some extent and that is also where the beauty in everything lies.
it is also USEFUL to call trans women women, and even to amend the definition if it doesn't allow for that (hence why dictionaries have done that). The whole transvestigation thing and intentional "oh this person looks like a woman, sounds like a woman, acts like a woman, but has pronouns so she- i mean HE is a MAN!!!1!1!one!!"... that's bullshit even just on a practical level.
Getting called a transphobe for misgendering does hurt others. Trans women in sports also hurts cis women.
@@ilonachan reminds me of the weather guy in that one clip from "last week tonight" where he asks what a trans woman is and after hearing the answer he just starts screaming "THEN WHY DON'T YOU JUST CALL IT A WOMAN?"
I love that you commented this, I keep getting ads of this thing and I hate it, even though it makes me curious to see the whole thing but just by tone of that guy I know it is going to be stupid...
The first time I had a concrete example of a culture with more than two genders was when I started studying the Navajo culture for a novel I was writing. Most Native American cultures have more than two genders.
Forest, you bring sanity and reason to our screens, and we appreciate it.
This is such a bada$$ video! Keep em coming Forrest.
Just curious... Has *anyone* asked 'what is a man' yet? 🤔 Anyway, while I appreciate the evolution of science and language, and the ongoing development in the understanding of what things are and how things work, reading modern definitions of things without a disclaimer identifying them as such seems a little gaslight-y to everyone older than Gen Z, who has no recollection of learning and/or using these (1b, 2c...) terms and definitions as they are spouted off today. I'm not saying that these updated definitions are wrong, but, does that have to mean that our older definitions were? I don't believe that. Perhaps they were incomplete or not as clear, but not incorrect.
Most people not just older, have no knowledge of biology or genetics because they are not scientists.
I listen to this video about 3 times and I still for the life of me don’t understand. For anyone wondering, I fully respect anyone who identifies as man or women. Live your best life🩷. But I wish I could wrap I head around it. I’ve tired to look inward as to why I Identify as my biological sex so I could better understand but that doesn’t work for me. I don’t know how a man or women feels. I don’t know what the differences would be other then what societal norms thrust onto them. I am biologically male, there for I identify as a man, there is no other reason for me to identity as anything else because in my mind I just go with the flow if you know what I mean. If someone could help explained it in they’re own way, I’d appreciate it.
That would be cis. You feel no discomfort with your GAB, and thus go with that. Basically, you where given a role in a play, and went "Yeah. I'm good with playing that guy", as opposed to choosing a role. Does this help at all?
Youre far too based in reality for this make believe hogwash. Good for you. Dont try to make sense of nonsense, youll give yourself a headache lol.
I identify as cisgender biologically because I have certain organs, and I did indeed bear a child. However, my psychology is masculine, and whenever I create a character to roleplay, that character is male. I'm not trans, however. It took me quite a while to understand what this makes me.
@@dragonvliss2426 I get that. Sometimes, terms just don't sit right. Hope you have a good day!
@@dragonvliss2426 Both you and someone else has used a role play aspect to try to identify one’s self. This sadly doesn’t help me because I identify role play as make believe. (Not real) but for fun like acting. “Pretending” you could say. Using this for Trans individuals I feel is disingenuous because a trans person doesn’t just pretend. They “are” what they identify as. I also ask the question. What is masculine? What is feminine? These are English words used to dictate roles and ideals for either sex. This is definitely a spectrum but this is also not a clear determination for a Trans individual since a ciswomen can be very masculine in her interests and demeanor but still identify as her AGAB. It’s not consistent which is why it confused me. I appreciate your input though.
I’m a trans girl who kida got kicked out cuz my parents refused to let me exist in the sane air as them. And your videos are amazing, if only I could get my parents to watch them 🤣. You can give someone education but u can’t fix the unwillingness to learn
And they claim they give a shit about children. So fuckin typical. Sorry you had to go through that, girlfriend.
That's so common, and it makes us ask ourselves why.
They wouldn't do this if you were born a girl, so why would they do this when you discovered you were supposed to be a girl? Why are people so weird to the point of doing this to their own kids?
It's real sad, and we can just hope your life is better now.
Damn, sorry to hear that. Wishing you the best moving forwards.
It's astounding how people get so rooted in their bigotry that it overpowers what should be one of the strongest bonds between humans; parent and child.
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I hope you’re well Mama. It’s very disturbing to realize how conditional a parent’s “love” can be. Some people are incapable of love and I’m hoping you find and build your own family that is actually worthy of you.
Absolutely love this stuff.
I could make a joke about 'facts and logic', but I think you get the picture.
Just a thank you, again, from a trans person. I've showed this video to some people who were critical and whilst they never came around fully, they said it gave them something to think about. Which is a major step imo.
As a straight cis guy I don't get that people derive their identity from their genitals iso their brains.
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All identity exists in the mind. However, when an identity is incongruous with what is physically real then the mind in incorrect. This is always true because what physically exists is a better representation of reality than what is going on in the mind.
@ Ben: one definition of stupidity is using the same tactic again and expecting a different outcome. You qualify.
@@Ben-pp5tt someone doesn't understand the concept here at all.
That's okay. There's plenty more material out there for you to watch so you can understand
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I didn’t expect a different outcome. I expected you to dismiss the point and insult me.
"What is table" is perfect.
yes, in that it has a clear simple definition and anyone arguing in good faith agrees
@@007kingifrit I used a big flat rock as a table last time I went hiking.
@@ben5154 then it was a table in that moment . though we would call it a makeshift table
@@007kingifrit The point is that things are hard to define. And any definitions could be considered a philosophical question. What would you consider to be the necessary and sufficient conditions needed for something to be considered a table? It is not so easily answered. Requesting a definition is such a disingenuous and politically motivated question because the meanings of many words come naturally to us, but active definitions for most things are really quite difficult to construct.
@@ezrakatz6742 things are not hard to define, the fallen institution of academia is full of pseudointellectuals making simple questions hard to inflate their egos
I was reminded of my first philosophy class in high school. First thing the teacher asks is: what is a chair.
Oh please this is not the same thing as the gender situation. "trans" women get off on the idea of dressing up as a stereotypical woman. What "trans" woman do you know who doesn't?
This is not on the same level of a philosophical debate of how we define things based on their use to us, this is a completely different issue.
Sure you can say you "identify" as a woman, but what does that mean? Can you identify as a chair? I suppose you could, but it really comes down to how you define it, and at the end of the day it all becomes meaningless because everything is used in conjunction with something else.
@@Strange9952 The point is that even things we consider to be simple and cut and dry still have space for nuance.
What does it mean "dressing up as a stereotypical woman"?
With regards to which culture? What historical context? At what age?
What are the "stereotypical" female behaviors? Do they conform with anthropological findings?
@@Strange9952 The last bit is quite important though: labels are what we make of them. Languages and meanings change all the time.
@@Strange9952 by putting trans in quotation marks you are implying that they are simply women. Thank you.
The idea that women enjoy being women isn't a new idea though. Shania Twain wrote a hit song about it.
While it's clear your progressive take on women isn't as reductionist as defining them by what they can be used for, many people like Walsh do just that.
@@Strange9952 Hey, trans woman here (or well, close to my actual identity) and I, in fact, do not get off to dressing as a woman. I certain _enjoy_ those acts more when I am, but that's from being more comfortable in my body, and not because it's on its own sexually arousing. I know this because I will often dress up in feminine clothing when I go out, and that almost exclusively provides an emotional relief.
Easy question, a featherless biped
Is there a horizontal version of this video?
Edit: I accidentally wrote vertical instead of horizontal at first 🤦♂
As a Trans Woman I appreciated this.
Hi, Sir. You are not a woman. Don't tell me, I am not the one who teaches you what you are or are not. You are simply not a woman, but fashioned like a woman. You are a cheater. You are harming the "REAL" women. Enough is enough, pull your hand out of women.
9:55 I loved that video of your friend Austin showing how hard it is to define something. I spent a few years as a professional lexicographer and it is very hard to come up with a short single sentence to define anything as he shows with “table”. I remember seeing a poster showing various drinking vessels slowly morphing into each other to show at one end they’re mugs and at the other cups but in the middle people disagree which category they belong in. Yet another unclear supposedly binary option
As someone who is potentially interested in becoming a lexicographer, what's it like? I've heard that it's very silent for long periods of time and a pretty lonely job despite being in an office environment, and I'm curious as to what your experience was as one.
@@lifeontheledgerlines8394 yes it was a very quiet environment. Even the phones hardly ever rang.
I think when you give specifics unnecessary to the definition of something you can create a spectrum as well. If you define a table with a specific building medium then you as the person defining it are narrowing it down to have to fit those parameters but are at the same time requiring other words in that definition to be defined or are excluding other things that could be considered a table because they aren't made of wood. That doesn't mean the definition of a table is a plank of wood and has four legs is wrong, it just makes it a bad definition.
I am not a lexicographer though😅.
Below is a definition off the cuff from my brain. If there's something to pick apart from it, please do. It could only make the definition better but also I could learn something.
Table: A raised platform, usually flat, supported by legs or attached to a vertical support that is used for a variety of things including but not limited to, socially gathering, eating, drinking, arts and crafts, board or card games, etc.
Yes, I see there are nuances and many things are difficult to define. Would it be fair to say that if you asked people to 'show' you what a woman is, let's say by pointing to them in a busy street, most people would instinctively pick out the same individuals? There may be some small grey grey areas, in which case those individuals would probably not be picked.
It may be difficult to come up with a crisp definition of objects like table, chair, pen, water bottle etc but we all have a shared understanding what those things mean. That's why we continue to use those words even though it can be difficult to give a pinpoint accurate definition of those objects when asked.
As an agender person living with two trans women, thank you. That table analogy is super useful too.
Why is a massage table a bed? Or an operating table? Why can't beds be beds and tables be tables like they were when I was a kid!! 🤔
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@@timwcronin 😆
@@risky_busine55 Reminds me of Diogenes of Sinope somewhere around 350 B.C. coming to Plato, who described man as a fatherless biped, with a plucked chicken shouting "Behold: a man!"
@@DinosaurianDude lmao very much does
@@timwcronin On top of that, I hear that the Periodic Table isn’t even a piece of furniture!!!
THE WOKE MOB IS TAKING OVER!!!1!1!11! 🤯🤯🤯
For me, this video is a POV of the person that you are reacting to, breaking in your home just to realize how stupid they are
"What is a woman?" "What is a man" I say we should drop all human definitions and classify ourselves as anomalocaris. Who's with me?
I identify as the Anorith line in Pokémon (the Anomalocaris equivalent)
Thank you so much for all you do. Educating people is so important. As the mother of a trans daughter, I appreciate you! This is such an important topic. It seems simple, but unfortunately misinformation and fear is real and terrible.
You mean your son
@@titomister10are you 12?
@@DyHi_no they are 5
I love that he’s willing to speak what this actually is because transiphobes are really annoying with those kindof videos
Republicans and what not don't hate the people, but the idea of transgenderism, which disqualifies them as transiphobes. The idea of giving children the right to switch gender so young, with surgery, is wrong. The idea males can go to woman's restrooms because it says woman and woman is a social construct is dangerous. And the amount of confusion kindergarteners get about sex and gender leads to tragic outcomes for their lives. I've seen it, people hoping genders and then wishing they never did it.
Damn learn what a woman is than
@@cajunking5987 Learn how to spell "then"....then
@@joseantoniovargas6548 I do, only it’s not the word I tried to say. As the word I tried to say is than.
@@cajunking5987 Ah, so learn when to use "then" and "than"? Because "than" is not the right word you should use in the sentence you tried to make
If gender is a social construct but rooted in self identify and that self identity can be changed therefore gender can be changed right?
Self identify can also be self perception and self concept right?
The problem is even if you can change your self perception, concept or identify you cannot change your biology would you agree?
You can castrate someone, perform surgery or alter someone's appearance but that's person biology wouldn't change.
Even if you left only with bones you can still be identified as a male or female.
Sex is a fact that cannot be changed there's only two the male and female,, the intersex is just a minority a fluctuations on genes.
I wonder if you only left with bones would forecsic be able to tell that your an intersex?
Probably not but im not sure.
So its safe to say that sex in huge majority is binary and gender is just a self perception.
Sex is biologically intrinsic and gender is phycological.
You can see yourself as a female but your biology wouldn't lie your still a male and that's reality.
The woke people keep saying that sex and gender are different but they themselves want it to be the same. They keep saying a transwoman is a woman and a female but its not. Your biology wouldn't lie your bones would lie.
Why can we just say that they are transpeople they are gay they are lesbians what's wrong with that, why would require people to think otherwise. Why would you require people to call you a female but in reality your a male, why do people need to bend reality just to confirm tour self perception.
Woke people doesn't make sense.
Sorry for the next generation, and good luck to the future of humanity.
I'm going to be optimistic and say you don't know what you're talking about, gender identity is a really complex phenomenon with even more complex mechanisms in biology, which we don't fully understand yet but are present, what is known is that 1-gender is a separate phenomena from biological sex, 2 gender has social psychological aspects, 3 gender has biopsychological aspects, and 4- you don't choose which gender you will identify as and that doesn't changes, now no one is requiring to call anyone female nor male, they are requiring people to call them by their gender so woman or man, which are different from female and male, also, no one is trying to bend reality, every trans person is painfully aware of their biological sex and know it won't change, that's why they change superficial traits to look more like the gender they identify with, talking about which you and everyone else SHOULD respect, doing otherwise lead to severe psychological damage, as has already been observed thought out human history, just have empathy and let then fucking be who they are.
ps: no one gives a fuck if people going to see if they are male or female after they die and that just a stupid argument.
Why the fuck would a trans person care what their bones look like
1. Self Identity isn't changed...
2. You really wanna tell me you just wanna change a complete social construct from one day to the other? Like yeah, you CAN change it, but good luck doing that with stubborn people, specifically ones that constantly deny progress... People like you specifically to be honest...
@@RealQuarlie there are a few scifi shows that label a person at puberty and that's their personality and role in life for the rest of their lives. The movie's are generally about not accepting labels, which can either be wrong or change over time.
And they're right. Although generally speaking, we usually don't change a lot, identifying as a static social construct can make people lazy, not actually realise they can think about each unique situation and change their mind.
Some people label themselves a democrat or republican... but it's okay to think through different things and decide differently on some issues, even if we mostly fit the label. Can even change sides occasionally. And should realise others that present an idea under a label might not ACTUALLY fit the label they claim either.
insert "sleep paralysis, but the demon keeps asking if things are a woman" meme
It is so refreshing to see men that consider women to be equal human beings. I shouldn't need to say that, but the men I have personally met so rarely are like this. I just love that there really are other men out there.
Yea ! Forest ! I am hermorpaditic . Love it when someone proves there's more than one sex .
Heh, it always pisses me off so much when transphobes will so far as to acknowledge that folks like you exist, just to immediately then literally say that you don't matter or otherwise handwave y'all away to oblivion.
HEY I FOUND THE SNAIL!
or...did I?
@@No-tw6qj It's still pretty common for people to mix up "hermaphrodite" and "intersex." Since I'm not, so far as I'm aware, I didn't feel like correcting someone who is on terminology. Chill.
Thank you for you hard work!! 💯💪
LETS GO IM SO PUMPED EVERY TIME YOU POST!!
We already know what is a man... A miserable pile of secrets
BUT ENOUGH TALK! HAVE AT YOU!
Love it love it keep on going Mr Forrest !!! ❤
Great video! Chefs kiss…perfect!
7:17 - The gender-flipped question these types of people usually ask is, "Do you think a man can get pregnant?", and it's asked for the same dumb reasons. They're just looking for you to give an honest reply so they can mock you for not being a bigot.
Great video, btw. Bookmarked for future use. =)
Males can't get pregnant? What's the correct terminology to use to not be bigoted?
@@JD-wu5pf If males = has a dick, xy chromosomes etc. then no they can't get pregnant
Men usually refers to gender which is what you identify as. Some transmen can get pregnant so yes some men can get pregnant
@@JD-wu5pf You can start by not using "males" and "females" as nouns when referring to people, as that language is quite dehumanizing due to being more commonly used for nonhuman animals. The adjectives "male" and "female" can be fine though (i.e. "list of male actors in [...]" or "the first female president of [...]"). Beyond that, it's very simple, just call people what they want to be called.
And to answer your question on "males" getting pregnant, it's surprisingly complicated because biology and linguistics are messy sciences. There are no formulas, no neat definitions, and we're dealing with a lot of things that seem to almost want to avoid categorization, and on top of that things are literally constantly changing. So let's get into it.
"Males" might not be able to get pregnant, if you define "males" as those whose reproductive anatomy makes people pregnant rather than getting pregnant. But there's a lot of different characteristics we associate with "maleness" in humans that aren't directly related to which side of the pregnancy coin you're on: the ability to grow a beard, lack of boobs, "masculine" body shape, deep voice, whatever else I might be forgetting. And if your definition of "maleness" includes any of those (you might not have noticed, but it probably does), it suddenly gets a lot less binary and a lot more allowing of male pregnancy.
But if we just ask if men can get pregnant, it's much easier because "man" is an identity, rather than that mess you get when you mix word classes like with the word "male". Most men can't get pregnant, but some portion of them can (trans men, generally). In other words, a man can get pregnant. Just not any and every man. If you want examples, you can just search any social media for "seahorse dad"
@@JD-wu5pf we're talking about men(the gender) getting pregnant, not people assigned male(the sex) at birth
Do you see the difference here?
Until uterine transplants are safe for those who receive them, people not born with uteruses can't carry pregnancies themselves. But you probably knew that; you're just conflating sex with gender
@@Hermetic_Enigma So what's the difference between sex and gender?
'Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things' by George Lakoff (a brilliant book on why cognitive science is vital to understanding how concepts are formed) calls these sorts of concepts (which are most concepts) 'idealised cognitive models'. They are defined by prototypes (different sets of properties we consider to be more or less essential to the concept), and by exemplars (examples of the concept in the world). An example he uses is the concept of 'mother', which most people would think is very simple. He takes it apart and points out how there are multiple overlapping, fuzzy conceptions of 'mother' based on different prototypes and exemplars that are all as right as each other. Which one we understand sentence to sentence shifts unconsciously based on salience and priming. We can even shift understanding word to word (for example in contrastive salad-salad constructions), or phoneme to phoneme (e.g. if someone answers 'yeeeeeeeesss' to a question, the repeated phonemes change the meaning from certain to very uncertain). I've found a lot of people get very (genuinely) angry at the idea that words don't have fixed, universal, crisp, and objective definitions. They also tend to think dictionaries describe reality rather than usage. After discussing the reaction with some of them, I think it makes them scared about how sure they are of the world and their understanding of it (like having a platform 100s of metres up creak under you unexpectedly).
EVEN IF I were to grant you that answering "What is a w" is complex, the fact of the matter is this: Words convey the meanings we as a society ascribe to them. You know which meaning we have collectively never in the history of the word ascribed to it? The meaning of male sex. That's why words like "Women's Hospital" make sense (why specify it if sex were not an inherent meaning contained in the word). EVEN IF I would grant you that we can't easily summarize all the meaning that is conveyed with the term "Woman", we know what meaning is NOT conveyed by the word. If I point at a table and say "this is a mountain", you can rightfully point out to me that I am wrong.
@@KangMinseok ok, so to get a crisp definition for woman along these lines, please give a complete and crisp definition of ‘male sex’
@@productjoe4069 Again, it's all the meanings that we as a society want to convey with that word. There are entire Wikipedia sites written on this, do you want me to paste them in here? Last I checked it was 20 or so biological attributes to begin with. And of course the same applies here as well, we can distinguish male sex by specifying that which does NOT belong to male sex, meaning female sex attributes (the ability to birth children, for instance). As to where we draw the line when it comes to intersex people, I know that Forrest was riding on that topic a lot but my answer at that time was and still is: Exceptions don't invalidate the norm, they confirm it - We can identify intersex characteristics precisely BECAUSE we know what "should" be there based on the normative meanings we ascribe to male and female sex.
@@productjoe4069 And sorry for the double post, but just to add: Forrest Valkai is very dishonest in this video. Not only does he "forget to mention" that the additional definition of "female" in relation to gender identity was added under pressure from progressives just this very summer, it also doesn't make any sense, because it refers to "an internal sense of being male, female, a combination or neither". That makes the definition circular! "A female is a person who senses they are female." makes NO SENSE! What are these people sensing, that they can birth children? All I want to say is this: He is not the objective guy he pretends to be, even though I like a lot of his videos.
@@KangMinseok the central point of WFaDT is that for many concepts (such as ‘male’ or ‘female’) it isn’t possible to give a set of necessary and sufficient conditions. That depending on context, and we may be adamant we’re not doing this until an dastardly cognitive linguistics experiment forces one to confront it, the level of salience of different prototypes and exemplars (of which negative examples do count) may change.
This is also ignoring that words don’t mean what society says. Words mean what individuals mean by them in the moment and context they are spoken. This is one of the main reasons we have different languages at all. Naturally, our meanings tend to be ‘close’ to each other (sort of, although given how much of human socialising is based on exploiting the gaps… eh, it’s a bug of human brains to assume they’re close that’s been known for millennia. Also it’s a bug that squid also have, which is amusing to me). Close is not identical, and how close is contextually (socially) variable anyway depending on which primings the different people have.
You could go all Ancient Greek and have ridiculously finely defined vocabulary (see their words for ‘archer’ for example), but even then each of those words is an idealised, fuzzy model and by splitting so finely you lose the significance of the similarities (which may be more important in a particular society).
And lastly, it’s a very cold and dehumanising attitude to say that the exceptions don’t matter because they’re exceptions. Whatever sense you meant that in, it is an attitude that us historically and repeatable led to unspeakable acts being committed against one group or another.
You're awesome! And Austin Archer is a great creator too! Thanks for the great content!
actually this smug video held up fake science and fake experts. gender is a religion. it can't be observed and relies only on faith to maintain itself.
real science is observable
@@007kingifrit You wouldn't know real science if it bit you on the ass.
@@007kingifrit at 3:30 he says "scientifically speaking, sex and gender are completely different things. Neither one is binary, and gender specifically is a social construct." So gender is made up by humans and people who argue there are only two genders are just as silly as the people who argue that the god they believe in is the only true god and the thousands of other gods believed in other places are not.
Science is observable, you got that right.
@@Gurfbagel you admit gender isn't real, but ignore the wider implications of that that there is no such thing as anyone who is trans
@@007kingifrit You're so close. If society didn't have genders then Trans people would just be people. They wouldn't have a gender assigned at birth so they couldn't have the wrong gender assigned at birth. But because society does have genders Trans people get mistaken for the wrong gender simply because of how they might look on the outside. People are people, why do we need to assign gender roles to them? Just let people live their lives and they'll let you do the same.
Another great video !
Yeah. Wonder if it's related to how creationists think they "won" when they ask a question so dumb you just stare at them in confusion.
I adore everything about you, thank you for doing what you do! As a mother of a transgendered son, I appreciate you more than you will ever understand.
@wowthat9418 Her son is genetically a boy, despite his genetic predisposition to have female primary sex characteristics.
If gender and sex are 2 different things, why not starting by a gender definition.
He defined gender several times....did you just ignore that?
@@guilhermecastro9893 I did not find. Can you provide the time code references?
@@gide5489 its literaly the biginning minutes of the video...its like most of the video actually, watch the video
@@guilhermecastro9893 I looked at it twice. He speaks about gender but it does not define the notion anywhere. He has a general talk about psychology, no definition and nothing that would differentiate gender and psychology. I still don't know what gender is, except sex of course. But when somebody confuse "I am" with "I identify as" that is to say reality with a brain perception we cannot expect him to understand what a definition is.
@@gide5489 sex and gender are two different things
based biologist pog
Another example is how 99% of the known matter in the universe is either hydrogen or helium, yet imagine how silly it would be to try to reduce everything in the universe to that binary.
Hydrogen, helium, and metals - at least when talking to astrophysicists. To them, anything except hydrogen and helium counts as metals. (And we're carefully ignoring metallic hydrogen there, which is another thing that exists.)
Is that deuterium or am I thinking of heavy hydrogen? Is it the same thing?
@@speciesspeciate6429 deuterium amd tritium are heavy hydrogen, metallic hydrogen is a state of hydrogen under extreme temperatures and pressure.
@@johnscaramis2515 Can all gases be solidified into metal under the right conditions or is hydrogen unique? Seems like a cool sci-fi or dystopian thriller, an ecological disaster creating metal filliments in the very air we breathe, resulting in a bubble society.
@@wintergray1221 Metallic Hydrogen is called that because it becomes conductive under certain pressures and temperatures mostly this is in a solid form but there is a small band where this is also true for liquid hydrogen. This property of hydrogen only exhibits under extreme circumstance and has not been observed in other elements. All elements have gas, liquid and solid phases (these are the three most prevalent but not the three only phases last I checked I think we were up to 16 but the number changes depending on how you define a phase of matter and is an on going area of research) but depending on their properties the other phases might not be as achievable or even possible. Especially high pressure low temperature phases can simply not be achievable under know physics as physical properties become very strange at very low temperature as the quantum nature of everything leaks into the macro structure of things when approaching absolute zero.
I just happen to be using a step-stool as a makeshift table right next to me to further the complications argument you showed off.
If genders are sets of subjectively defined social norms attached to certain sexes, and sex is defined by biology, how can a person feel these things, and how can a person feel like they are the wrong one? I have male biology, but I don't understand how someone can feel fundamentally male, or feel like they shouldn't be male. This obviously isn't exclusive to males.
Also, please don't assume I'm a conservative or a bigot. I've asked questions like this on Reddit and people often assume that I am. I try to be as logical about how I view the world as possible and not at all traditional.
"bigot" or "transphobe" = rational person. It's literally impossible to be rational and not be a transphobe. They just try to demonize people for being based in reality.
A person's gender identity is their individual personal view of what their particular gender means...it could be what is traditionally a part of a certain gender identity commonly (but not always) associated with a certain biological sex or not. Gender dysphoria arises when someone's gender identity does not align with sexually dimorphic features...however, an individual's gender identity is not chosen, but rather just is a part of you.
@@mariomiceli9663 : A rational person has to proclaim objective facts in spite of mockers. 👍
@@terra_727
It’s true that identity exists in the mind. However, if one’s mind is incongruous with their physical self or anything that physically exists then the mind is incorrect.
This is because what physically exists is a better representation of realty than what’s going on in someone’s mind.
"How can a person feel like they are the wrong one?"
That's a good question actually. Feelings are produced by the brain. And that's researched by neuroscientists. They have made considerable progress. Prof Dave has made two good videos about it.
Transphobes = bigots = irrational people who derive their identities from their genitals and not from their brains want nothing from neuroscience. They're science rejectors, using the same "methods" as creacrappers and flatturds.
MarioM and Ben illustrate that nicely.
It's only a silly question because you don't have an answer for it that isn't circular. Lies often clothe themselves in nuance
He literally showcased objective definitions and quotes of the highest standing biologists... Just because the answer is too complex to simply summarize, doesn't mean you can just go and lie about it
Can you give me a definition for a table and a man, that are both 100% accurate?
@@RealQuarlie it's fallacy hiding behind complexity. Using the word female interchangeably with women just abstracts the definition by another level, but it's still circular. What is a woman? A female. What is a female? Someone who identifies as a female. It's the same fallacy but with extra steps. I don't care who supports the definition, that doesn't make it not a fallacy
@@RealQuarlie Ask any biologist to distinguish between a male and female of a non human species. They will do it with 100% reliability outside of genetic defects which they will also be able to identify. They do not pretend it's complicated except for the pressure of activists
@@RealQuarlie and a table is defined by its function. Pretty simple. Would you like to define a woman by her function in society? Native American cultures have done that
@@aidanmays7825 I mean, all I see here is you pointing out that trans women are women, so I have nothing further to add to this
>A table is something that fulfills the duty of a table
I love this. I will commit it to memory so that I can use it at any time.
What is the duty of a table?
@@Strange9952 That which we think is the duty of a table
@@Strange9952 to be a table