0:00 : *INTRODUCTION* 0:53 : We are not special 1:41 : Basic biological terminology 3:08 : *SEX* 3:12 : What is sex? 3:21 : *GAMETES* 3:21 : How we generally define sex in terms of gametes 3:45 : Why boxes won't fit everyone 4:28 : Problems with the definition - There are several species with males and females but their gametes are all the same size - We could try defining sex by mating types (who's giving/who's receiving gametes) but then some species have females implant their eggs into males who then give birth (seahorses for examples) - Fruit fly males have 3 different sizes of gametes, so by that there could be 4 sexes or at least 2 sexes but with 3 subspecies of males, and even then one of the sizes of the male gametes are larger than female gametes which violates rule we've made up about gamete sizes - Many species don't only produce one type of gamete for their entire lives - Some humans/animals can have ovotestes (testicular tissue on one side, ovarian tissues on the other. 6:21) 6:43 : *CHROMOSOMES* 6:55 : How we generally define sex in terms of chromosomes 7:14 : Problems with the definition - We are not all females by default then turn into males because of the Y chromosome, that is a myth. 7:55 : SRY - Splicing SRY (a gene found in Y chromosomes) into XX female mice gave them the ability to develop male genitalia, testes, and behaviors - Cutting out SRY from XY male mice gave them the ability to develop ovaries, feminine behaviors and even getting pregnant and having litters - However, SRY is not just a magical on and off switch for sex. - EG: female wallabies with XX chromosomes that don't have any egg cells at birth developed testes - EVERYONE HAS THE GENES FOR BOTH TESTES AND OVARIES 9:07 : SOX9 - SOX9 (on everyone's X chromosome) gives you testes, NR0B1 (on everyone's X chromosome) stops SOX9, SRY (on XY people's chromosomes) stops NR0B1 from stopping SOX 9 from making testes therefore allowing testes to be developed - SO you can have a perfectly functional Y chromosome and have a problem with your SOX 9 gene and end up with ovaries - OR you could have no Y chromosome at all but have a faulty NR0B1 gene and develop testicles 10:38 : *HORMONES* 10:46 : What basically is HRT in mice 11:02 : We ALL have ALL sex hormones + What they do 12:01 : Hormones don't really do much anyways 12:40 : Practically useless second X for people with XX chromosomes 13:00 : Useless Y chromosome for certain people with XY chromosomes 14:29 : *We are all VARIATIONS, not anomalies, not deformities, not defects.* 16:55 : *GENDER* 16:59 : What is gender? 18:02 : Differences in sexes with different species 18:50 : HUMAN MALES CAN LACTATE TOO 19:33 : We are not special, only difference is that we can communicate how our identity feels 20:11: *BRAINS* 20:22 : There are structural differences in females and males 21:00 : Trans people's brains match their identity and NOT their genitalia 21:41 : Cis homosexuals' brains match their sex so *trans men are not lesbians, trans women are not gay men* , there is a difference in sexuality and gender 22:03 : Homosexuality genes, WE CANNOT CHANGE OUR SEXUALITY 23:20 : What we've talked about so far 24:25 : Again, boxes are stupid 25:29 : *Why should we care? (trigger warning for suic*de)* , see the trevor project if you want to learn more 26:52 : His qualifications 27:17 : ✨s o u r c e s ✨, all 233 of them This is such a great video!!! I've been looking everywhere for a good list of facts that I can refer to when debating others, thank you so much! Only thing I would suggest is including non binary people since they are just as biologically valid as binary people are.
@@baked7327 here take da mushroom. 🍄(EDIT) the take da mushroom is a reference to an achievement in dungeon defenders on the ps3. Just incase anyone was curious.lol
As a science student, you denying biological sex is actually going to kill people. But hey, doctors have high malpractice rates, so you'll just be another statistic for killing people under your case.
@@blacktigerpaw1 as a science STUDENT, perhaps you could watch the video from the graduated biologist? and how is learning more about gene expression, and its role in sex characteristics, denying biological sex? at the very beginning of the video, he stated its not an opinion piece, he is simply explaining how and why certain aspects of sex and gender are how they are, in the biological sphere. getting mad at this, is like getting mad at someone for explaining how solar fusion operates, citing the lecturer is going to give people skin cancer.
anyone can make up a list of cites that agree with their predetermined bias. The cites are cherry-picked and worthless. figures don’t lie, but liars figure.
@@sandsmarc That was literally like hundreds of sources. And you're telling me every one of them was cherry-picked? I guess I can't argue with that. Other than it seems to me that you're the one with the bias. Oh, and I love your cute catch phrase at the end there.
@@katielove1276 He'd make a fantastic teacher in class, everyone will pay attention and be enjoying it all, if only they would even teach this at schools.
@@peacefulleo9477 Arguing DSDs are a third sex and tapping the table to prove a point isn't as epic as you think it is. Humans are a binary sex and males aren't born with female brains.
As a teacher, the one thing you don't do when explaining something is overcomplicate the concept. KISS algorithm. Occam's Razor tells us not to add any unnecessary assumptions.
@@reubenmanzo2054 obviously it isn't fair to expect the general public to know all this about biology, problems arise when people refuse to accept it when it's presented to them
I grew up in the southern part of the US. I took one high school level biology class in 8th grade. That’s the only biology class I’ve ever taken. I’ve never understood how so many people came to such a disconnect around this topic. I learned about evolution and how “messy” genetic information can be in a population. So naturally this diversity would apply to humans and manifest in many ways. That’s all it took. A basic understanding of biology that (at the very least) a middle schooler is capable of.
This is old but I’ll say I never took anatomy in middle/HS and my biology teacher loudly proclaimed she was skipping the chapter on humans. I grew up Christian and had a Catholic bio teacher, so I have no idea if that had any part of it. I learned nothing about human biology until college. Not really saying to make any point, just telling my sad experience. I’m American.
Remember, We all came from Adam and Eve, so that makes incest legal! Incest in the Bible refers to sexual relations between certain close kinship relationships, which are prohibited by the Hebrew Bible. So doesn't that make Adam and Eve wrong?
Update under the original comment I am gonna admit something that is hard for me to admit. I was wrong. I will also admit that at the beginning of this video, I was getting irritated, and I began shutting down because I expected this to be a far left liberal argument. I literally had to pause the video and remind my self that your videos are rarely if ever politically motivated and that they are always about per reviewed data, tested and proven theory, and your own understanding based on your extensive education and experience in your chosen career path. I have made a lot of the false arguments you pointed out in this video. And here is the thing even with those arguments I still supported trans rights but did not give the scientific weight to my support because I was under the impression that science defined gender and sexuality by a binary system. So here I am, I admit that I was wrong, I made false arguments, and I made mistakes that I now know better than to make. Moreover, this video helped sort out some VERY confusing feelings I've been having about my own identity. I realize now that my gender and even my sexuality are more fluid and less concrete than I previously thought, and I have been extremely unfair to myself and, more importantly, the people around me. And I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I understood everything in this video or even absorbed all the information that I at my current level of education am able to absorb. In fact, I'm willing to bet I have some points in this video twisted in the wrong way. However, given what I think I know and understand now, I am glad to have a more accurate and better understanding of who I am now and how the world around me works. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, I genuinely mean that Edit: After over a year of self exploration, I have discovered that I am MtF trans! This video launched the self-discovery. Thank you, forest ❤️
Even bigger than admitting you were wrong is your willingness to explore your own identity. Some of my most rewarding self awareness moments are recognizing where I am outside the binary labels. It has made me so much more fascinated with my own identity concepts and appreciative of others'.
@@lev3432 I don't know about Wade, but my most recent hobby was trying to understand you in this comment section So far I can only access that you need to spend more time outside
This is not the first time I've watched this. But, I just registered a great line... "...all of this pretty much categorically rules out that somebody can be (finger quotes) turned gay, or worse, straightened out..." makes my heart warm. I love how understanding you are about people. You're more than accepting of the LGBTQ Community. You actually educate others of the science behind who we are. I love your videos.
@@rojavidaI think the point is that one of those scenarios has been, and continues to be way more prevalent than the other, not that one is categorically worse than the other
@@rojavida I think the reason he emphasised 'straightened out' as bad is that this idea lead to things like conversion therapy. Which people describe as basically torture.
Forrest Valkai is the atheist equivalent of the Christian pseudo-scientist Kent Hovind. Forrest is not a bonafide biologist, rather he is a trans activist and therefore his science has been whitewashed to prop-up LGBTQIA2S claims on sex, gender and gender identity! .
@@NicholasOlinsky All around us. They brought us here, to exactly this moment;) What I actually mean is that just the information you can send and receive, you can filter and find is way better than 20 years ago. Yeah, that is also a two-sided sword, because now you have to actually learn, HOW to search for that information and evaluate the validity of that. A small cost, in my opinion (and sadly, something many people, including youngsters, do not learn by default).
I absolutely love this. Being raised conservative, it was biology and how beautifully weird it is that helped me accept my own variations, and become and better and more understanding person. There was a lot of detail here i had never heard, and I would love to here you go into everything you didn't have time to go into for this video. Raise your hand if you want a whole series on scientist explaining sexuality, sex, gender, etc🙋♀️
no , biologists should. theyre experts at it, thats all they do. biology is incredibly complicated and sometimes just stupid. better let the specialists talk about what they study
To learn more about gender I would actually recommend listening to sociology majors. Biologists help us by disproving dumb science arguments to transphobia however gender is part of a soft science like sociology and not hard sciences like biology. Really interesting to listen to sociologists explain the phenomenon of gender and gender roles.
How are the ideas that human sexuality and self-identity are on a spectrum, such a hard thing to accept? Icky, says one group, and the liberal yet ignorant (group I was a part of before this excellent explanation) say, but isn’t it obvious. No. Turns out not so much. Turns out, mathematically, not even close to a this or that situation. EVERYTHING in the universe is on a spectrum. Complexity couldn’t arrive out of exact copies. Why wouldn’t something as clearly complicated as sexuality and self-identity be any different, I say to my derpy fence-sitting lazy ill-formed opinion having self. I truly appreciate being educated and humbled by my own ignorance and lack of curiosity.
Hi. I'm an applied biologist (amongst other things) and I find sharing this video is easier than trying to explain these concepts to people who are arguing about "real females" 🙄 You are a great science communicator.
Lmao this guy admitted in the first couple minutes that everyone gets one set of chromosomes from mom and one from dad. He does know what male and female are.
@@Cowboyfan6496 HELP THAT DUDE LITERALLY MUSTVE GOTTEN SO CAUGHT UP ON THAT PART, when they saw them say that they must have been like "AHA, IVE GOT THEM NOW!!!!"
I cannot thank you enough for making a video like this and citing 233 sources!! You make the world a better place and help so many of us feel confident standing up to homophobic family members.
Trans phobic family wants an autistic person to reproduce successfully and they won't because of autism. I'm all for trans rights if it makes autistic people sterile.
"If the biggest problem that you're having in the twenty-first century involves what other people's genitals look like, and what they're doing with those genitals in the presence of other consenting adults, you may need to reevaluate your priorities." I think this is my new favorite quote
@John Wilkes i really don't want to get into a fight about this, but 1) literally no one is trying to throw you in jail for misgendering trans people (although it is a shitty thing to do) and 2) did you actually watch the video, or just go to the comments to complain? you might learn something from it. finally, it's not 'merely speaking your mind' to deny people human rights, intentionally label them against their wishes, and tell them they shouldn't exist in more extreme cases, especially over an issue that you haven't properly researched
@@johnwilkes4671 we are advocating live and let live. no one is calling for your blood or protesting to get you fined or jailed. people care when you misgender them because it often brings back bad memories and/or makes them extremely uncomfortable in their own skin, but we ('we' being the lgbtq+ community at whole; i cannot speak for trans people) don't care about the punishment of people who do it. we want to be accepted through education and understanding, not fear of punishment. and yes, i believe that you, given the choice, would not allow trans people human rights.
@@johnwilkes4671 well, let's see. would you stop trans people from getting surgeries if you could? from expressing themselves in a way that matches the gender they identify as? from using certain labels? those are all rights, even without getting into the bathroom debate. again, i don't really want to have a long fight about this. if you want to learn, give me any evidence against trans people and i will dispute it. otherwise just don't waste both our time.
I have been trying to overcome the religious bias I was raised with, but have had a hard time with trans people. I think this is the most helpful video to get past that.
as a teenage trans man i started tearing up a bit towards the end where you talked about suicide rates and whatnot. thank you for caring, thank you for knowing so much, and thank you for sharing what you know.
As a cis man that hits hard. It infuriates me that it seems we're regressing in society in our acceptance of our LGTBQ+ friends. I point people to this video that want to argue about basically anything in this video.....gender spectrum, "he was born a man, he's a man" blah blah blah.
One of my cousins was a trans man. He was found dead via suicide on 4th May 2022. The funeral & cremation was today, 31st May 2022. He was a wonderful person that the whole family misses. He was a paramedic & the ambulance service-people were the honour guard. Please stay safe, talk to people of you're going downhill mentally, & get professional help if needed.
As a plant and fungi enthusiast, I find it refreshing to see biological sex explained in this way with regards to animals (humans specifically). Excellent video and I'm only a few minutes in!
As a 40 year old cis white male with a poor education, I thank you for this video! I plan to share it often. These discussions with those around me here in South Georgia who wish to invalidate others can be exhausting. But this is so well put. So again, THANK YOU!!!!
thank you for helping to keep alive what very little hope in humanity i have. thank you for proving kind, accepting people still exist even in the most hateful, bigoted places
@@fredharvey2720 you didn't watch this video, did you. at all. maybe get out of your bubble one day and see how ignorant you are. i wonder if you watch jordan peterson the transphobe with that wording
@@fredharvey2720 It isn’t delusion, at all. My citations: me, a masters student in Psychology. But seriously, here’s some actual citations: Trans validity and effects of various dosages of HRT and puberty suppressants and dialogue on correct trans-care: Puberty suppression in transgender children and adolescents". The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology. Elsevier BV. 5 (10): 816-826), (Hembree, Wylie C; Cohen-Kettenis, Peggy T; Gooren, Louis; Hannema, Sabine E; Meyer, Walter J; Murad, M Hassan; Rosenthal, Stephen M; Safer, Joshua D; Tangpricha, Vin; T'Sjoen, Guy G (November 2017). "Endocrine Treatment of Gender-Dysphoric/Gender-Incongruent Persons: An Endocrine Society Clinical Practice Guideline". The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism). To treat or not to treat: puberty suppression in childhood-onset gender dysphoria (Rosalia Costa et al. Nat Rev Urol. 2016 Aug) (not treating childhood-onset gender dysphoria is dangerous as it is a life threatening mental health diagnoses) Abstract: A Survey Study of Surgeons’ Experience with Regret and/or Reversal of Gender-Confirmation Surgeries (Schechter et al PSTM 2018 Abstract Supplement) (62 detransitioned and of those 62 the most common reasons cited were a change in gender identity (22 patients) followed by rejection or alienation from family or social support (8 patients) and difficulty in romantic relationships (7 patients). The rest of the reasons are similar to the rejection and alienation reasons.) Puberty suppression in a gender-dysphoric adolescent: a 22-year follow-up (Peggy T Cohen-Kettenis et al. Arch Sex Behav. 2011 Aug.) (puberty suppression even after 22 years has shown no negative effects and in this single individual follow up they were in what could be best described as “perfect health for their age”). Puberty suppression in transgender children and adolescents (Aris Siafarikas, et al.) (it was found that puberty suppression in some adolescents may be useful, more research needs to be done than just this piece but it was found useful) Medical Treatment of Children and Adolescents With Gender Dysphoria: An Empirical Ethical Study (Lieke Josephina Jeanne Johanna Vrouenraets et al. J Adolesc Health. 2015 Oct.) (same as above in findings, puberty suppression is the only ethical decision in many cases) Effect of Estrogen on Musculoskeletal Performance and Injury Risk (Nkechinyere Chidi-Ogbolu and Keith Baar), Front. Physiology, 15 January 2019 (estrogen lowers muscle mass and bone density, though this actually just means it becomes in like with cis women’s average bone density in most cases. In any case, an increase in consumption of proteins, veggies, and working out will fix this issue) Mental Health and Timing of Gender-Affirming Care Julia C. Sorbara, MD, MSc; Lyne N. Chiniara, MD; Shelby Thompson, MD; Mark R. Palmert, MD, PhD (the timing of care is very important to its success, earlier care is better than later care at saving lives of trans people and fostering better mental health outcomes) Turban J.L., King D., Kobe J., Reisner S.L., Keuroghlian A.S. (2022) Access to gender-affirming hormones during adolescence and mental health outcomes among transgender adults. PLoS ONE. Turban, J. L., King, D., Li, J. J., & Keuroghlian, A. S. (2021) Timing of social transition for transgender and gender diverse youth, K-12 harassment, and adult mental health outcomes. Journal of Adolescent Health. Turban J.L., Loo, S. S., Almazan, A. N., Keuroghlian, A.S. (2021) Factors Leading to “Detransition” Among Transgender and Gender Diverse People in the United States: A Mixed-Methods Analysis. LGBT Health. Turban, J. L., King, D., Carswell, J. M., & Keuroghlian, A. S. (2020). Pubertal suppression for transgender youth and risk of suicidal ideation. Pediatrics. Association of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy With Depression, Thoughts of Suicide, and Attempted Suicide Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth Amy E. Green, Ph.D., Jonah P. DeChants, Ph.D., Myeshia N. Price, Ph.D., Carrie K. Davis, M.S.W. Journal of Adolescent Health Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada Greta R. Bauer, Ayden I. Scheim, and Rebecca Hammond Addendum bone density improvement studies: Physical activity increases bone mineral density in children with type 1 diabetes Albane B R Maggio et al. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2012 Jul. (Type 1 diabetes lowers bone density, weight training and working out increases bone density and makes it average out with normalized populations) Osteogenic effects of a physical activity intervention in South African black children R M Meiring et al. J Musculoskelet Neuronal Interact. 2014 Sep. (Another study with a different group from a different location, same results. Physical activity such as working out, weight lifting, etc increases bone health and offsets any bone density loss) Increased intake of selected vegetables, herbs and fruit may reduce bone turnover in post-menopausal women Caroline Ann Gunn et al. Nutrients. 2015. (Increased intake of veggies like cabbage and broccoli increase bone density, recommended to women going through menopause) Biomarker-calibrated protein intake and bone health in the Women's Health Initiative clinical trials and observational study Jeannette M Beasley et al. Am J Clin Nutr. 2014 Apr. (Study with n=144,000 which is a massive participant count, this study looks at increasing protein as a method of boosting bone health. The study found even a minor increase in protein is very helpful to bone growth and maintaining bone health) Addendum APA citations and those related: Guidelines for Psychological Practice With Transgender and Gender Nonconforming People American Psychological Association (A 33 page document that cites hundreds of studies. It outlines the thinking of scientists and researchers on how to use many terms and outlines care practices, for example “Guideline 2. Psychologists understand that gender identity and sexual orientation are distinct but interrelated constructs.” Is followed by a large amount of studies and a rationale for as to why they as an Association believe this.) What Is Gender Dysphoria? A Critical Systematic Narrative Review Zowie Davy, PhD and Michael Toze, PhD (A critique of the APA and it’s definition and usage of gender dysphoria, this is currently used as the basis of a lot of the APA reasoning on gender dysphoria and was a very important paper for correcting some of the previous issues. It was a broad-scope systematic review of much of the available literature at the time.) FACT SHEET, gender diversity and transgender identity in adolescents Project Lead: Colt Meier, PhD Authors: Lauren Mizock, PhD; Effie Mougianis, BA; Colt Meier, PhD Acknowledgments: Ry Testa, PhD; Sean Moundas, PsyD; Deb Coolhart, PhD ( a massive collaborative effort on the topic of the prevalence of gender diversity and trans identities exhibited in adolescents, it found early treatment ad very important in preventing su*cidal ideation and improved mental health outcomesh Report of the APA Task Force on Gender Identity and Gender Variance Margaret S. Schneider, PhD, Chair University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Walter O. Bockting, PhD, University of Minnesota Medical School, Minneapolis, MN Randall D. Ehrbar, PsyD, New Leaf Services Our Community, San Francisco, CA, Anne A. Lawrence, MD, PhD Seattle, WA, Katherine Rachlin, PhD New York, NY Kenneth J. Zucker, PhD, Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, Toronto, Ontario, Canada APA Staff, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Concerns Office, Clinton W. Anderson, PhD, Director Charlene DeLong, Administrative Coordinator (A 106 page report on reasoning for various decisions of the APA, 15 pages are exclusive of citations supporting the changes and the validity of trans and non-binary people) Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association (5th ed.). American Psychological Association. (Discusses various things such as pronouns and their usage, related to next citation block but included here for ease of use)
@@arlaux1099 TL;DR How do you square trans apologetics with people with BIID? Do you think clinicians should likewise agree with their self hating thoughts and encourage them to hack off limbs?
It's so hard to explain to people that think in a very binary way how biology actually works. Even tho this video is amazing, it actually misses my favorite part, which is just too far removed from the everyday to matter to anyone but a closet physicist like myself. At the atomic scale, everything is completely random, brownian motion. Each of the biological differences that are discussed in this video that do or don't happen are due to molecules randomly hitting or not hitting specific locations or triggers, sometimes, as he points out, multiple levels deep. Seeing biology as molecules bouncing around in a way that makes their continued existence stoichiometrically (aka probabilistically in a quantum sense) sustainable is really a completely different leveling of understanding of the universe we reside in.
@@kindlin yea, i get that. i have less an interest in physics (sorry, just not my thing most of the time, fun to hear about, less fun to look into) and look at it more though a biological and chemists lens, which isn't how i see most people look at it. most people are tought to think about DNA as computer code, but it isn't. it's a chemical catalyst, improving the odds of a reaction happening and with that the frequency of it happening, often from not to sometimes with DNA/RNA. many people seem to think "well computer code if very precise, and DNA is like computer code, so DNA is very precise" which is just bloody inaccurate.
@@vinx.9099 The inaccuracy is what I'm trying to get across with my thinking on an atomic scale. Going even one step further, everything down there is quantum and _entirely_ by _definition_ is random. To really imagine this would be almost impossible, we can't even really model it on a computer yet.
Too bad that he confuses trans gender and trans sexual. All his explaination does is confirm that biological diversity can result in medical conditions that most likely require treatment (i.e. male with female brain chem).
@@KangMinseok "male with female brain chem" pretty sure you mean female with nonstandard genitalia. you are your brain, if you have a female brain you are female. if i lose my dick i'll still be the same person, if i lose even a part of my brain i'm not. and yes, corrective surgery exists so that a persons body reflect the body they feel like they should have and feel at home in, though to assume it's required for every trans person is incorrect.
I can’t even begin to explain how INCREDIBLY AMAZING this video is. Even though I struggled a bit with the english terminology the explaining is absolutely incredible. Bottom line: be yourself cause everyone is unique and beautiful in their own way. Very well done!!
@@blacktigerpaw1 yes and people put on breathing tubes are normal, people put on experimental drug treatments for disease are normal, people who get plastic surgery are normal, people who have prosthetics are normal if you wanna be all natural go live in the forest and live on what you can scavenge thats as "normal" as your gonna get by your logic
@@blacktigerpaw1 - I pop hormones cause I got old and my body stopped being nice to me. Out 1/3 of all women over 50 take these hormones. Other people take Hormones to prevent the from getting pregnant. Still others take hormones to keep their skin from attacking itself (steroids are hormones), take fake hormones because my thyroid was removed. What was our point again? Oh, right that people who have medical conditions often take hormones to help their bodies function normally! Right.great point! Glad people an take m es to be normal!!?
I needed this. After leaving my Christian faith and becoming an atheist, I had accepted homosexuality and was quite disgusted by my family who were all raging homophobes. But I didn’t quite understand transgender people, and the Christian conservatives seemed to actually be reasonable. But this blew my understanding out of the water. Thank you so much. I love this new world I find myself in after rejecting my childish beliefs and I am so excited that the world is becoming more accepting of the lgbtq community
Congratulations for living true to yourself, opening your eyes. Most religious organizations mischaracterize trans people. There is a lot of distortions and lies out there.
If you believe the TRA agenda, you've come full circle and became a raging homophobe again, because homosexuality is based on sex as a binary. If there are more than two genders, and they are separate from biological sex, then homosexuality does not exist. And that is EXACTLY what TRAs say: that lesbians have a "genital preference" which they "need to unlearn" so that "trans women" with male genitalia can have sex with them. And don't get me started on transing GNC children: that is gay conversion therapy 2.0
@costlymussel3914 What do you know about it fool? If only it were a religion, there might be some respect and protections from the mean and the arrogant. You know nothing of the terrible reality of gender dysphoria. You only know the freedom of not having it. Instead of offering kindness to someone who struggles with something beyond your comprehension, you offer condescension and smugness. You are nothing but a prig! A sad way to live and not a decent person in truth.
@costlymussel3914 dammit the jig is up. How did you know that it takes faith to believe in a group of people that exist? That's supposed to be a secret.
@@strikingsarcophagus bro you're free to ignore science all you want, I don't think asking for some basic respect is forceful in any way. For example. I don't believe in god, but I don't walk up to every Christian I see and mock them for believing in a space wizard who let his own son die for reasons. It would make me look like a douche.
"...and _that's_ why I have testicles!" I honestly have never thought to ever see someone so happy talking about their testicles XD But jokes, aside, I find it quite amazing and I never knew that and I too am very excited to now have this knowledge of how I got testicles. Knowledge is just so fucking awesome! :D
And on _that_ note! "...human males have mammary glands and can produce milk under the right circumstances." Huh! I was just telling someone I have nipples and not for aestheti... Mammary glands you say? Fuckin' ay! I have tits! :D:D:D:D I'm a dude without those circumstances so they're flat as a pancake, but I HAVE TITS! :D I always wanted to have my own so I didn't have to ask a girl if I can play with hers :p And I had them all along! This is so cool! :D I'ma be in the shower, back in a jiff! XD Woohoo! Mom! Guess what I learned! :D
Well, his whole spiel is way too simplistic. We are talking about billions of years of evolution and incredible diversity within a singular specie. What we think we know is most certainly wrong.
I began life with an open mind. The society we live in seems to attempt to close/ narrow it. Your video has helped to blow my mind back to wide open. I have forgotten how "crazy" and truly unrestricted life is. As the great Ian Malcolm once said, "Life, uh, finds a way."...
So, you commit the fallacy of comparison and this UA-camr has. The reason why your mind, as a young person, is open, is because you're potential is greater. As an adult, you gain responsibilities. This UA-camr seems to be a nihilist, and didn't even touch the environmental part of estrogen mimicking Petro chemicals, autism mental retardation, and his own flawed arguments.
I've shared this with a bunch of Christian people in arguments about trans people and biology. It usually results in no response, or being told “science is a lie, and you're going to hell!”. Great video, easy to understand and fun to completely frustrate the person who tells you “it’s simple biology, your ether a boy or a girl!”. Keep up the great work Forest!
@Red Blue no no no you got it all wrong that's not science that is a gift from god. If believing in a particular science comports with the god belief they already have it's gods will, if it doesn't comport it's a lie or the work of the devil. Lol
I'm not Christian and I don't support this trans movement either. To give an example, if a girl is anorexic, she feels like she's overweight. The feeling may be described as biological in the sense that it's a feeling and can be linked back to brain activity in the same way that a man feels like a woman. But in the case of the anorexic girl, we understand that these feelings do not properly convey reality and we work to correct those feelings. So why is this any different? There is reality and there are feelings and sometimes the feelings are out of step with reality, which is called a mental disorder. We don't just call the anorexic "trans obese" and leave her be.
@@reubenmanzo2054 try watching it again, because this has nothing to do with feelings. If you are having a hard time understanding the video that's ok. Just try to break it down and watch it in small parts. Take notes if that helps and look up words you don't understand. If you have any questions I can try and help. I do fear if you think sex and gender identity is just “peoples feelings” after watching Forest’s video you have already made up your mind and just aren't interested in what the science says. I hope I am wrong
Please consider the difference it makes to trans people and anyone in the LBGT community to be treated like human beings with respect and dignity, and bring that with you to your relationships you may have with people that still think the way you used to. Trans rights are human rights.
@@sandsmarc Like Meri said, did you even watch this video? lol You can ignore science all you want but that doesn't make you right. It just leaves you ignorant to the facts you chose not to learn from. In the end you do have a right to not learn but don't be surprised when others call you an ass for choosing to be a bigot based on outdated information you seem to hold so dear. It's time to update your knowledge and advance yourself but you know, you can continue to be uneducated if you wish. This video is a good start though as it sounds like you just came to the comments section to be that ass I mentioned above, or are dealing with an internal battle of self hatred that you could greatly benefit from this video to work through. But for the record, you are wrong. Please refer to the video above for information as to why, before you start sharing your own "silly talk" again. (Which btw is just your opinion, not scientific fact)
@@sandsmarc okay but how stupid does it sound to call a trans woman who's completely transitioned, a male. Everything about them appears female, and you wouldn't be able to tell unless they told you. Yet you think it makes logical sense to insist on calling them a male?
This vidoe means the world to me, thank you! the section on brains, gave me so much comfort, that I would have to cry through a sentence explaining how much it meant to me.
"Imagine you are trying to win a debate, and instead of presenting your argument with relevant evidence, you gather an incredible amount of irrelevant data against your opponent’s position. This is common with young earth creationists, who believe that the earth was created 6,000 years ago. To try and validate their beliefs, young earth creationists dump an incredible number of arguments one after the other onto the opponent, from the idea that the light coming from other stars was created in transit to make the appearance of age to the idea that radiometric dating and other objective methods of dating rocks and fossils are based on a host of incorrect assumptions (Peppe & Deino 2013). Some of these arguments seem complex (and they might be), yet they are all irrelevant, misinterpretations of the evidence, or just complete fabrications. The key is that they all take advantage of people’s ignorance. This is known as the Gish gallop. It is a fallacy often found in pseudoscience, where you attempt to drown your opponent in a “flood of individually weak arguments” which take much energy to refute (Elsher). While it was and still is common with young earth creationists, the strategy is now being used by sex spectrum pseudoscientists. The best example of this Gish gallop technique is “Sex and Sensibility,” a 30 minute video that argues male and female are unreliable categories. It is written and presented by evolutionary anthropology student Forrest Valkai. Practically every sentence is riddled with information about the biology of sex, from the simple to the complex. Some points are true, and others are complete misrepresentations. There are so many points of information that it would take hours to carefully respond to each one, something we painstakingly did, which you can find here. Forrest’s argument strategy is not much different from that of young earth creationists. Ironic, considering he is best known for debunking none other than young earth creationists." Paradox Institute Want to read more? Click on the link and see why Forrest has distorted science to prop-up pseudo-science... www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/sex-biology-and-the-gish-gallop Or stay and learn false science.
So I'm a trans woman and you just completely shattered my entire world view... And then built it back up... Now I feel better than ever! Like, I started crying when you debunked that we all start off as female because that one lie has given me so much comfort over the years, but by the end I was crying even harder because I felt validated and seen and cared about! I've felt the edge of a knife on my wrist and I never want anyone to have to go through that too. I didn't have the words, but you did... Thank you!! Edit: grammar & spelling. Sorry, teary-eyed typing isn't my strong suit.
@@RichConnerGMN Even worse, you scrolled through the whole comment section to see my comments. Talk about touching grass. Factual information is not "transphobic nonsense", there is no such thing as transphobic. Putting a label to something to avoid debate is a short way to prove how wrong it really is.
Who wouldn't care for people, we as a species need to care more about ourselves. the suicide rates are concerning but future generations will accept non-straight people and there will be less suicide rates.In most countries at least cuz china russia and north corea don't have bright future
Yes, the facts are that less than 98% of people are intersex. Everyone else is plain old XX or XY WITH the usual genetic pathways within those chromosomes that determine biological sex. He throws a bunch of junk at you at 90mph about all the myriad ways in which life has evolved to procreate in OTHER species of animals to muddy the waters. People that have no concept of what he's saying, no matter what their ideology, will find whatever piques their ears to hold onto to use it as justification for whatever. Trans activism has latched onto the intersex card as if it somehow has anything to do with trans issues. Sex isn't a "spectrum". Period. Spectrum implies a gradient. DSDs account for around 1.7% of the population. The rest of us are just plain old chocolate or vanilla. He makes it sound like we're all this walking patchwork where EVERYONE is some random combination of male and female. In terms of physical, biological sex, you can't be 63% male and 37% female or 62% male and 38% female. It doesn't work that way. True hermaphroditism (the one he talked about where someone develops both gonadal tissues) is actually one of the rarest forms of DSDs. Barely over 500 cases have been documented in history. He basically muddied the waters to appease and pander to the LGBTQIA+ community. I'm a flaming liberal lefty snowflake and though he spits plenty of legit facts in this video, he does it in a way that obscures the overall point some people are making, which is, yes, these things exist, but how common are they? Approximately 1 in 1000 people are born with more than 5 fingers or toes but we don't go around saying that the number of fingers or toes humans have is a "spectrum". No. Humans have 10 fingers and 10 toes. If you have more or less you're an anomaly. An outlier. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with you or that you're "less" human. It's just a statistical thing. Same with biological sex. Also, none of it says anything about whether children with no obvious physical health issues should be taking a powerful drug like Lupron, with no long term studies on its effects on children, for an off label purpose or be taking cross-sex hormones or getting mastectomies as early as 16? They're _treating_ something that isn't supposed to be a disorder. If being trans isn't a disorder, then why does it need to be _treated_ with hormones and surgeries like a disorder? And if gender is a social construct (meaning for all intents and purposes it has no substantial existence) and sex is a spectrum, then why the need to change sex? Why the need for a listing for gender dysphoria in the DSM-V? If you have to throw a bunch of shit out there all at once to disable the mental circuits of far right bigots, then fine. I don't think it's gonna change their minds anyway, honestly. But for those of us that don't have those prejudices but DO feel that there are genuine concerns about the influence of trans ideology on best practices, particularly for children - when therapists aren't even _allowed_ to do exhaustive explorative therapy before making decisions about whether to go forward with transition because simple basic therapy is considered "conversion" therapy - that's a problem. If a child comes to a therapist insisting that they're trans and all the therapist is allowed to do is say "Yay! You're so brave!" and get you started transitioning, without considering the child's psychological history, possible comorbidities like ptsd, anxiety, depression, autism, OCD, etc., _that's_ a problem. It defies best practices. So stop acting like everything is honky dory and we're all just a happy rainbow of joy. Gender dysphoria causes people a shit ton of mental pain, anguish, and suffering, and it is becoming increasingly clear that transition does not always fix it. And considering that medical transition involves completely irreversible physical changes to an individual, it's kind of important to get a handle on what exactly gender dysphoria is and if some people may benefit from alternative treatments that _aren't_ conversion therapy but also aren't transition. Not all gender dysphoria us as cut and dried as, "I have a female body but I feel like I should be male." And vice versa. It can be all over the place. It can fluctuate to where a person feels one way one day and another the next and it can be confusing and frustrating and simply transitioning doesn't fix it. Because the dysphoria can still fluctuate back after transitioning. More research is needed on all of this. There have been some studies like he pointed out that looked at a few subtle differences between trans people's brains. But those studies haven't officially nailed down that YES, this is exactly why gender dysphoria exists and why some people are trans. Not even close. It's just a tiny step in the direction of trying to figure this out. A crap ton of research is still needed to really settle it.
@@spacevspitch4028 I’ll concede three points; 1. sex and gender are different things and the language we use is destructively negligent to that fact. 2. The treatment of gender dysphoria being treated as a biomedical issue and not a psychosocial issue is inappropriate and most likely politically motivated. 3. Trans people have nothing in common with the LGB community, but have latched themselves to that movement because…naughty bits, I guess? My comment was simple; most people who say things like “facts don’t care about your feelings” wouldn’t know the first thing about the facts they claim to subscribe to. Nothing in this video changes the fact that civil rights should have nothing to do with whether the individual has an advanced understanding of anatomy and physiology.
@@BionicLatino Totally agree with your facts/feelings assessment. When Ben Shapiro and his ilk spout off with that nonsense, it elicits a well deserved giant facepalm from most of us I think. But there's some middle ground on some of these issues that the far right AND pie-in-the-sky trans activists alike don't want to acknowledge. And true, sex and gender are not the same thing, but gender is often implied to be some intrinsic inherent quality of a person's identity with phrases like, "born in the wrong body." Subtle differences in brain anatomy may eventually be shown to explain this feeling that some have but again, that research is still in its infant stages. We just don't want the politics of any focus group having an influence on which research is allowed to be done and what results are allowed to be published.
@@spacevspitch4028 I just subscribe to the belief that if a person says they feel like a lady, and want us to refer to them as a lady, and want to construct their lives as if they were a lady; it neither breaks my bone nor picks my pocket to oblige them. But I’ll lift up their pretty pretty dress to screen that lady for prostrate cancer when it’s time to do so. But I also can’t force a person to be comfortable around that person if they just can’t get there for whatever reason. And that’s fine. Nowhere is it written that the world is supposed to be blue skies and buttercups for everyone. But not being a jerk about we engage people we don’t understand it isn’t too much to ask. I think gender identity, like so many other things, is a niche concern that shouldn’t be interesting to anyone outside of academia, but has been weaponized to seem threatening and irreverent to our social identity. So while I, as a healthcare provider, am skeptical of the current conversation in both the clinical and political arena; and the blurry line between them, I am often mindful of erring on the side of Kant vs. utilitarianism because gatekeeping leaves too many people at the mercy of systems that don’t serve them well.
@@BionicLatino I'm really not much different in day to day life. If someone, male or female, is clearly presenting as the opposite sex and wants to go by a certain name and opposite sex pronouns, I'm gonna respect that. Even if they're clearly the sex that they are. Occasionally a trans person can pass to the point that it's uncanny. But our nature driven ability to tag individuals by sex for procreation can be fairly uncanny itself. I don't mean "passing" should become the end all be all for a trans person. That can become a whole new source of mental anguish itself. It's just that reading sex from subtle features in a person's face, body structure, movements, etc, is instinctual and automatic. No matter how many times I properly refer to a person respectfully as him or her or by their chosen female or male name, when I look at them, even at their best attempts to pass, the reading of their birth sex is automatic and proceeds everything else. And that should be ok. Because biology exists.
I’ve always been pretty liberal about this stuff, but I have to be honest, I never knew any of the biology. This video makes it all so clear and obvious. Thank you!
Same with me. I go with "Live and let live," and "what consenting adults do in private is not my business." And this topic is like any other, things are far more complicated than you can imagine. People who think they have the simple answer are just simply wrong. I hate to bring up Dunning-Kruger, but it fits in so many places that it's universal. I have a deep expertise in a certain field, based on education, experience, and just hard work, but so many people think my field is so much more simple than it is, that they consider themselves experts, when they demonstrate to me fundamental misunderstandings so egregious, that it amazes me they can function in it at all.
@@whereweregoingwedontneedey4374 Scientific knowledge doesn‘t become an „opinion“ just because it doesn’t resonate with your gut feeling. That’s just not how it works. But go ahead, feel free to demonstrate which of his 233 scientific sources he misrepresented, or how those are flawed themselves (and somehow passed peer review nevertheless).
I'm super in love with you ;; But also, grateful for this information. You see, I'm from Mexico and I work with women and children affected by domestic violence, and of course this type of violence is also part of the gender violence we see everyday. I have seen people, not numbers nor statistics, people, with faces and names, suffering emotionally and mentally just for being themselves, it pains me so badly, as I can identify with these feelings of not being accepted. Arguing with other people about how they are wrong and just hurting people with their nonsense is my everyday routine. And this kind of content is what I'm always looking for. But what I love the most about your videos is that your love and kindness for humanity comes first always. It makes me happy ❤
@@bimbom3745 yeah, Spartans used to get so used to sleeping with guys that when they got married their wives would cut their hair and wear masculine clothes because of how uncomfortable they got around women. They were so manly they lost their appetite for women
This is quite obvious if one simply counts the number of men in a given relationship: 2 men > 1 man As such, gay men are more masculine. Because more men. Just simple maths, really.
When people ask me why Im gay I now tell them " because a region of my brain is more massive and masculine than the average male" 😂 And then when they say what do you mean I direct them to your video LOL
Going to show this video to my gay son, as well as, your comment. Both, a great resource for a young gay man who faces the Texas public education system.
@@lev3432 based on the description, I would assume we are talking about someone that was born "female" - at least in terms of biological sex, though, as Forrest has demonstrated, even that is not binary - but is transitioning to male, hence trans son. To call that person his daughter at this point would be incorrect (and possibly upsetting to the individual, since it ignores their own feelings).
@@lev3432 I thought of this child as my daughter for many years, our memories and emotions sometimes seem to have a momentum all of their own. However, at one point, i realised that how I thought about him ( or anyone else for that matter) has no bearing, nor should it, on how they think about it themselves. I love my son
I feel like the Doki Doki Panic music that plays during the references is just there to mock the people who thought he didn't have any sources. And I'm OK with it.
He cherry picks data and commits a lot of logical fallacies, so he's wrong on a lot of counts but acted smart enough to trick a lot of average IQ people into thinking of him as a professional.
@@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438want to actually back up you claim? What data did he cherry pick and what logical fallacies did he commit? You’re making the claim, so go ahead and be specific
I hope I'm not the only one who laughed his ass off when you cited like 200+ papers that backed your claims. Lol as a starting scientist, this made my day
I mean, when you already wrote papers in uni and continue to write them in your profession, it probably was just like any other day to make something like this with so many sources.
Thank you so much for this, all of this, but especially just that tiny bit where you included asexuals. I’m asexual and my entire life I’ve been treated like I’m broken or somehow deficient. To hear someone who actually knows their science, who is informed and passionate about helping to normalize LGBT+ experiences as being just one of the many marvels of biology doing it’s own thing, it feels so nice to just… feel like I’m normal too. Thank you.
Nobody chooses who they fall in love with or not. It took me a long time to figure out my own bisexuality, due to the lack of information available. All that variety needs to be included in students' curriculum at as early a grade as possible, along with informative sex ed (instead of "don't").
Can I ask you how it feels to be asexual? Do you still crave a relationship, love and commitment? Do you still masturbate? I know these are very intimate questions... but we're all anonymous here, aren't we? This isn't random curiosity, I swear. I'm just trying to figure out if I fit the slot too, my brain confuses me...
@@weareallbornmad410 Okay, lol, yes those are some intimate questions, but yeah, it’s pretty anon here so I don’t mind. Keep in mind though, I’m just one tiny lil asexual, and so I’m not indicative of the entire experience. For instance, plenty of asexuals do masturbate, though I personally don’t. I’ve never felt the need to, but for some it’s a nice physical release, and it feels good, even if it’s not something you wanna do with other people. I still like the idea of having a partner, of love and commitment, but it looks different from the typical thing most expect. I don’t like being touched much and I don’t like kissing. I would love to have a person who is ‘mine’, but with my comfort levels I know it’s hard to find someone who can be happy with those limits. Some asexuals are also aromantic, and they aren’t interested in having a relationship at all, they don’t have romantic interest as well as sexual interest. It’s a huge spectrum. There are also aro/aces that do have sex to make a partner happy, if it’s something they’re comfortable with, even if they don’t feel a sexual urge themselves. I compare it to eating a food that you’re okay with, but that you’d never order on your own. You don’t dislike it, and you’re not being forced to eat it, but you’re just kinda ‘meh’ about it. It’s important to keep that in mind, and never let yourself be pushed into an encounter involving stuff you aren’t comfortable with. You need to be able to say no and stop if you reach a boundary. Otherwise, being asexual is just… there? Bad explanation, I know! I just know that my whole life I watched other people fall in love and want sex and do all that kissing stuff and I was like “why would you want to do that? I can’t see the appeal!”, and after I did try kissing I was like “yeah, this is… boring. I would rather be playing a video game or something!” I hope that helps a bit?? Feel free to ask anything else lol
@@Ryanookami @Ryanookami @Ryanookami @Ryanookami being neurodivergent ADHD/ASD, my high school peers speculated that I was ace - between masking, conditioning and plain lack of experience, I still don't have a conclusive answer to that. If you don't mind my asking, was there ever a defining moment or characteristic that cemented your certainty?
This is probably the best video I’ve ever seen explaining this topic. I’m currently expecting my first child and as a cis gendered person have lived a sheltered life as far as my gender identity is concerned. But I am amazed and frankly appalled by how hung up the people around me are on whether my baby will be a boy or girl. I’m sharing this with everyone I know in hopes of spreading this valuable knowledge. Thank you for making this video!
@@EmmaJohnsonShenanigans Science-Channel and Atheist-UA-camr are Siblings, but many dont realize it, which is the one-and-only Reason to keep the Overlap low. Ya'all, please be more involved... A-Channel literally fight against LGBT-Hate and Science-Denial and yet thats just 2/100 Things they do.
This video here references so many things, i dont reven know to recommend a specific video so i just gesture in the direction of Some More News and Popculture Detective
Sorry, nothing, @Jarden. Note that right at the beginning of this video, Forrest, the biologist, points out that we are animals and follow the same laws of nature as every other animal. Try starting again from the beginning.
The biology of a fruitfly is irrelevant to human biology. All those fun facts about random species and he didn't include a single Mammalian species. Someone with a slight understanding of reality can easily guess why that is.
As a trans person who spent 2 years working for the National Suicide Prevention Hotline (and 4 additional years working for another line), I'm so glad that you added the aspect of mental health in this. It's really, really important for people to show others kindness. So this means a lot to me, even just on that area of mental health. Also, I have a brain MRI in two days, so I'm kinda actually curious about if/how that crap will come out lol.
@@yvainestelmack7196 ended up not being something they specifically looked for in the imaging. Would have been fun to have had that looked into, but alas, not something I was able to find out. That said, my neurologist has never expressed any doubt at all about my gender identity, so that has to count for something. Thank you for being interested and following up with me for sure, though.
Got to the end bit... now crying even more than I alredy was. Im a 17 year old queer trans person, and even though my family excepts my sexuality (but not gender), I can't even begin to imagine myself having a happy and healthy life. Seing things like this helps, just knowing that theres people who don't hate who I am makes me want to die a lot less than I used to.
Oh honey it’s generic to say but I promise it gets so much better. You’ll find a happy and healthy life if it takes you kicking and screaming, I swear.
Just so you know, the video and author is wrong in many ways, and uses his own political views to explain things that could be explained in a scientific matter if he choose to do so.
@@jorisbongartz what are you even talking about dude, he posted over 200 sources of scientific discussions. Not to mention discussion on things like gender is not a discussion of science but a social one. Parts of this video are litterally impossible to break down on a biological standpoint. and in terms of scientific facts especially with things like animal reproduction, he nailed on the head.
@@jorisbongartz on one side, we have a video from a biologist who gave lots of explanations and lots of scientific sources. On the other hand, we have a random person commenting on internet saying he's wrong, without sources to back it up, without explanations and without even saying what parts are wrong. For now, one of the 2 is more convincing than the other.
@@jorisbongartz LMFAO, get out of your conservative echo chamber. This guy has hundreds of sources. You have fascism and Trumpism, and people confirming your beliefs by telling you everything you already believe is true, and that you don't need to go looking for the truth. You've already won, right? Every single reputable scientist is wrong, and fucking Crowder is the one with the real truth! ...right? Hate to break it to you... But they are wrong, and so are you.
@@Tcrror practically every single reputable scientist/biologist uses a binary sex model. Only fringe ideologues don't support it because of political reasons, mot scientific ones. Also his 100's of sources are about all kinds of things, the vast majority i agree with. His sources about sex not being binary a flimsy at best, which is understandable because virtually nobody in the scientific community has any problem with the binary sex model. You have to be on the level of a flat earther to question it. Also, i am a lefty liberal. Thankfully not an American one.
As a bi cis male I really appreciate Forrests inclusivity and that we are all just humans and shit like gender really doesnt matter in the larger scale.
"trans men are men" Lol such nonsense. Meanwhile, in reality, there are physiological differences between men and women....this is the whole point of having seperate restrooms and sports. Like duh. You all drift further and further from reality every day lol.
I appreciate it too, but at the same time time, women who care about the genitalia of the people in their vicinity are not "bigotted." We need to find a balance where we both give trans people respect and dignity while not minimizing the rights of people with vaginas to have to access to penis-free spaces.
Ultimately, I think this problem stems from people thinking names are definitions by nature without realizing that WE are the ones who made those names, not nature. If we had four or five different words for boys along the gender spectrum from the start but only one or two along the girl's side, would those people be arguing that girls aren't as fluid? If people stepped out of those pre-defined boundaries, would they be arguing against it and that there are only four kinds of boy? Probably, I think, because they fail to realize that names are a result of language. All we want to do is identify things. I remember seeing something about bones, how we discovered a really long bone and gave it a name, then we discovered a really short one and gave it a different name, and then there was a third length and gave it another name. Then as we found more, scientists argued about where to draw the line from one bone to another, but it turns out they were all literally the same bone, just at different lengths. Nature doesn't give a fuck what we decide to call stuff, it's going to work the same no matter what vibrations come out of your throat when you reference it.
Where else do you think we should discard boundaries? How about traffic laws? How about Civil Rights? How about testimony in court? Why should people be confined within the ever so narrow confines of the truth? There is nothing so cavalier as demanding a wall be pulled down when you never ask yourself why people spent the time, thought, effort and expense to put it there in the first place.
@@johnwilkes4671 Well, gender norms were put in place almost exclusively by marketing and, from there, societal pressure. Meanwhile laws exist as... Well laws to protect people. These are completely different issues
Well we see solid "gender norms" among the Hottentot. Is that because of "marketing"??? Or do those folks have such norms because they are exceedingly useful to a people living so close to the earth?
@@johnwilkes4671 Do you know the differences between gender and sex? Sex is binary (even though it really isn't, there are other chromosomal differences such as intersex) whereas gender is more expressive and fluid and not tied to biology. We can keep having a conversation about this, but I have to be honest, I don't expect you to listen or care or consider that transgender literally effects no one other than the person who is transgender and, despite years of biological research, deny that people identifying as different genders is fine and normal. If I'm wrong, on the other hand, and you are actually asking questions that you want answered and are trying to understand the transgender community, I'm far from the person to ask. I'm sure there are transgender subreddits you can direct your questions to
I did have my brain scanned actually! TO subsidize the cost of a CAT scan in the early 00s, my dad sold the scan to science. My brain helped with the studies that show trans people have brains conforming to our identities.
I’m a trans guy living in an unsupportive household and every so often I’ll come back to this video to bring me some semblance of sanity. Thank you so much - stuff like this is exactly why I’m majoring in anthropology. Humans are so incredibly diverse, and I’ll never understand why some people are so threatened by that - I think it’s beautiful!
Allow me to illuminate you somewhat. This ideology is an attack against reality. It's attempting to destabilise the fundamentals of biology. There are those with the capacity to be pregnant and there are those with the capacity to impregnate. What other options are there? Where's the supposed spectrum?
I'm nonbinary and majoring in Anth as well Good luck on your studies Anth is a fascinating subject and am extremely broad field. I'm either going into medical Anthropology or Archaeology
Im sorry but we are not THAT diverse. We have only 2 genders. Yes we have many race but thats not the type of diversity you are talking about. I just dont understand why I have too be forced too live in your delusions.
I’m building a list of videos to show my parents when they eventually find out I’m trans. This is such an excellently thorough and deep exploration of the topic that I can help but put it at the top of that list. Thanks for the hard work you clearly put into this video 💛
Yo Mitchell, good luck when coming out(or when your parents find out). Just keep in mind that u are valid and loved, if not by your parents, then by your friends and the community. Much love
@@mgpalpha as a homosexual i think i can give an advice on this- wait till u are ready and don’t force it; bad side of it is that sexuality and gender have different ways of expressions and its quite difficult to hide you are trans while smb can hide their homosexuality for all of their life; but what im saying is, dont force yourself and dont wake up with the “i have to come out so others know and yada yada yada” mindset; if you are coming out, do it for yourself. Good luck and much love
People tend to say “the number of LGBT people has increased, so they’re being influenced to be gay” but I mean look at a graph for the number of left handed people in the world over the years. It didn’t increase because people were influenced to be left handed, it increased because it became acceptable to be left handed (still can’t believe it used to not be acceptable) so like, there ya go lol
As a lefty this is not talked about as much thank youu kinda human, my Aunt was forced to be Right handed and I'm one of the first in my family who is left handed and accepted.
@@muxpotatoes7258 yeah I had a teacher who was left handed, and she would talk about how in school if she wrote with her left hand her wrists would be slapped with rulers (the wooden kind) and was forced to write right handed.
@@mr.duck1248 I think the avoidance and punishment towards using left hands came from some religon based idea of it being taboo. It still happens a lot in some developing countries. One of the dumbest superstitions humans have come up with imo.
@@smellycat57 Not justifying the prejudice or mistreatment of south-paws but to go along with what you said, in some cultures (especially those that don’t typically use silverware/cutlery during meal times) specific hands are used for eating and the opposite one is used for “toilet duties”. I did not grow up in said cultures so I could be wrong but from what I understand in some South Asian/Indian cultures the right hand is used to transfer food from plate to mouth while the left hand is used to wipe ya bum. I could understand the strict adherence to the practice especially pre-modern medicine/modern science before germ theory was fully developed. Nowadays the lefty taboo seems unjustified and rooted in cultural traditions and lack of proper access to plastic sporks. Even with proper access, it’s almost a given the provided sporks will undoubtedly be 100% right-handed unfortunately 😐
I was turned from a lefty to a righty, and I had two other friends who was the same. The funny thing was that, my dad told my mom to leave me as it is was young but my mom didn't listen and changed me. The more funnier thing is that now, I am a hybrid. Lefty at some, righty at some, ambidextrous at some.
as someone who is intersex and had forced sex assignment as a child, I thank you so much for this video. I have a case of mosaism that has caused SRY to be inserted on an x chromosome.
@@tone618 not as rare as you think. people who are born intersex sometimes never know. in fact most of the time never know. it often takes someone who was there at their birth to tell them or a doctor later in life brining it up. cause often it goes off record so NOBODY knows it was ever a thing. and this is what pisses me off more than anything else. phobes SUPPORT this ideal genuinely doing forced sex reassignment surgery on an infant. who can't even SPEAK let alone give consent. but someone wants to do that later in life NOOOOOOOO we can't have that happening it is immoral.
@@drrenard1277 Forrest, a Teacher famous for being Compassonate, has never watched, let alone endorsed, the VIdeo listing School-Issues and Child-Endangerment that is the 3. GOP-Video of "Some More News".
I did an interview with an intersex person once, where we talked about her (she identifies as female) life experiences, myths about intersex people, helpful resources, etc... UA-cam banned it as "sexually explicit," for having the word "sex" in "intersex" 🙃
You got to list adult content under educational so that it doesnt get removed. You dont know how many explicit adult content is on youtube and i'm talking about alot that shows everything.
This video is absolutely fire. I literally cried cathartic tears of joy at the point when he rolled the sources. THIS is how you make a STRONG, VALUABLE, and PRODUCTIVE/CONSTRUCTIVE argument. THANK YOU FORREST!
@@arendwittmar4007 you mean like his 30 minutes of factual exposure makes a total mockery of those political leaders who, over the years, would announce e,g, 'Iran has zero gays'? If not, please clarify what agenda you’re accusing him of . . . .
When I encountered my massive depression and dysphoria 7 years ago and tried to square it with my cross-dressing and other feminine compulsions, I found the information you cite at about 20 minutes in, and knowing that (specifically the BCSt being larger in men and smaller in women, and the same in trans-folk as their identified gender) really helped me overcome my enormous skepticism and accept myself. I'm very happy to see it framed with context, thank you! Trans people *need* this information as much as the cis-gendered do.
That's exactly what I was thinking and I absolutely believe the environmental aspects as well. Now, this'll sound a bit off-topic but it isn't. I was diagnosed at age 8 with P-ANCA (a form of kidney vasculitis not related to my previous diagnoses of Type 1 Diabetes when I was 2.5) and I received chemotherapy because of it. I wholeheartedly believe this could've changed my whole outlook on gender and orientation. I started feeling "different" at that same age I was diagnosed. At 14 I started "changing" if you understand my meaning here. This was the time I started to feel extremely unsure about orientation. I tried dressing like a girl because I started "looking like one". I tried acting like a girl but that ended with me feeling bad. I tried this because where I live, it's extremely religious. My parents and brother aren't but my dad was raised in an abusive catholic "school" which I can guarantee at least imprinted a way of thinking - with what he went through, it had to. At 15 I realized how I felt had a name - gender dysphoria, or transgender. 2.5 months ago I turned 18...I'm now a "legal adult". Sadly, I'm too chicken to come out to anyone including my family. Online and in my school, people know me as "Matt" but I can't gather up the courage to come out to my family. I know my bro and mom suspect it but my dad has no idea. He's never done this before but recently, he's been calling me "woman", "girl", "daughter". I've told him not to call me that but he doesn't understand. My mom's had trans and gay friends when she was young, her sister is lesbian and she even had a friend who she watched transition from female to male and she referred to "her" as him. My brother, my best and only friend, is more-or-less bisexual. I know they'll except me, it's my dad I'm worried about. I've literally put my life on hold - I don't want him to have to go through the "grief" many parents have when their child transitions, especially since his very religious mom passed away recently but I can't do like this much longer. I have plans; paleontology, robotics, digital design, acting, a band - but I can't do this without fully transitioning. What can I do? I realize I'm confiding in a random stranger in the comment section of a biology teacher's YT channel but I must know - if you've "come out", how? I desperately need advice.
@@rat_dragon I’m not very good when it comes to people, but I’ll do my best. One thing you could try is coming out to your brother and/or mom first. Then ask them what they think you should do about your Dad. I don’t know him, so I’m unsure how he’ll react, but at least this way you’ll have some solidarity with your other family members and advice from people close to him. Alternatively, it’s possible your mother could talk to him about you, which could work out better (not sure if you still live together, but a couple months of absence will allow heat to die down). If the person is loving, they will likely be initially uncomfortable, but over the course of minutes, hours, weeks, months, or years they learn to either accept it or tolerate it (depending on how deeply ingrained certain ideas are in their brain and how reasonable or open minded they are). You mentioned that your mother’s sister is lesbian, and your brother is bi, things like these ease the transition in his mind for you, to accept you for your identity. In my extreme case, a young man my father knew some years ago was driven to suicide because their parents didn’t allow them to transition, so he now is much more likely to be accepting towards me. A rather cold and disturbing comfort I actually don’t want, seeing that a corpse was what it took, although I should be extremely grateful that he is a kind person. Some people wouldn’t learn from even that.
@@justachilldude8426 Thank you. I'm not good with people either but I need to come out. My father is very loving - he save my life on more than one occasion. However, because he was raised by abusive Christian schools that forced their beliefs on him as a child, I'm afraid he holds on to "beliefs" unknowingly. He's very accepting with the LGBTQ+ community but makes a few mistakes with trans - he'll say "him...or her?" and I'll have to explain "if they identify as male, say he". Overall I'm grateful to have a father like him but I'll need to work extra hard with him when I come out. How did you come out, if you have already? I've heard of the "It's a boy/it's a girl" cards and how most parents find it comical (not a joke, just easier to accept with an informal "letter" of sorts). Maybe I should try that? My brother's active duty in the army and in a different state as of now but he should be coming home in a few months, then leaving to go to South Korea. Do I tell him immediately after he comes home or wait until everyone's settled? I'm afraid with everything going on that it'll be overlooked or too stressful. Thanks for your help, friend. It's greatly appreciated :)
Thats cool. I have no problem with cross dressers. Just give me a heads up on whats in store. Nothing worse than reaching for a twinkie and grabbin a ding dong instead. Ya know? So you're not going with the big swap over?
Ik this wasn't focussed on homosexuality, but I have to say even just those passing comments about homosexuality's genetic component and existing on a spectrum were. Extremely comforting, and this was the first time I've found those concepts comforting and not being used as a 'haha gotcha your sexuality is invalid' moment from homophobes. This whole video was extremely interesting, well-presented, and helped me understand a lot more about humanity, so thank you!
Science-Channel and Atheist-UA-camr are Siblings, but many dont realize it, which is the one-and-only Reason to keep the Overlap low. Ya'all, please be more involved... A-Channel literally fight against LGBT-Hate and Science-Denial and yet thats just 2/100 Things they do.
@@reubenmanzo2054because gender as an idea (specifically things like gender roles, ex. girls wear high heels) is a social construct, but gender as a biological term is a way of finding and determining the specific way ones brain is formed and acts. makes sense?
I learned more from this video that simply, "scratches the surface" about sex and gender, than I learned in my AP Biology class... Thank you so much. All the love for people like you who make this content❤
I feel ashamed; the school system taught me a simple watered down version of what you’re explaining. Because of that, we have an entire generation that shames people for not being “default settings” smh 🤦♂️. DO WHAT FEELS BEST FOR YOU!!!!!
In defense of the school system, pretty much every topic taught in school, even through high school, is extremely watered down because of how complicated literally everything gets. Hell, even from elementary school to high school, we go from just "science class" to having different classes for biology, chemistry, physics, or even more depending on the school. And getting into college subdivides those topics even more. If schools tried to teach us everything exactly as it is in all of its ludicrous complexity I'm pretty sure our already frazzled teenage brains would just explode. Would be nice if more schools went out of their way to acknowledge that they're teaching the watered down simple version and that the reality is way more complicated with tons more exceptions, though.
Well all he basically said is that biological non-defaults occur due to the complex nature of biology... no one is denying that, it's a question of whether you consider it an abnormality and therefore a medical condition that requires treatment, or not. Plus, he confuses gndr and sex, the TG community at large argues against any argument from biology, claiming that gndr is purely a social construct, so he is at odds with them as well..
@@KangMinseok What do transgender people argue against biology? There is no science that says transgender people are not who they are, there's a reason why the term, pseudoscience, exists. Also, Gender Dysphoria is a very real thing, the only treatment there is currently is HRT and potentially surgeries to change an individuals genitalia. My girlfriend is transgender, she's had her HRT and surgeries, everything works, she's a woman.
@@nicqolisstanton6784 Both ContraPoints and the World Health Organization argue that TG is not a biological/a medical condition. It's good that your partner gets help for her disorder, though that doesn't make them a "woman" per the commonly used definition of the term. You wouldn't suddenly call a disabled person "abled" only because they got a wheelchair to move around now.
The neuroscience bit really helped me understand, especially using the example of a man literally being trapped in a woman’s body. Incredible video with great insight that I’ll be using for the rest of my life.
Great video, but wrong at 1:22. Humans are not just Animals. Humans have become something-else. Thats fact. Great Video though; i emailed it to my Family instantly.
@@slevinchannel7589 you are both right and wrong, yes we have developed true language which is one of few things that separate us from animals, but strictly biologically we are animals and almost every part of our biology can be related to almost any other animal
@@therealme1362 eh idk If we can say that as what is a true language? One that’s only spoken by humans? Cuz that’s just hypocritical as we can understand human languages but not other animal’s languages. We know species like orca have languages and cultures that change from region to region and pod to pod yet we don’t actually understand what they’re saying. We’re like dogs, can recognise sounds & actions that follow them but we don’t actually understand the language being spoken so I don’t think it’s fair to say that their languages aren’t true languages just because us humans can’t understand them & translate them yet, we may be able to in the future but who knows!
@@therealme1362 to me the only thing that separates our languages to other very complex animal languages is that we can write & read our spoken languages when other animals can’t.
@@kateemily I think that's what they meant. I suppose they could've said true communication instead but we are the only species to effectively use all forms of communication.
As a straight male with few lgbt friends, this is definitely an eye opener. I knew about lgbt in other animals but wasn't too sure on gender identity and "feeling like the opposite sex". This video taught me a lot on this topic and has been the clearest in making me understand the whole concept so much better. Also, the whole list of citations made me very excited for some reason 😂
there are no transgender animals. and in some groups of animals, same sex behavior is not the same as being gay in a human. in insects it could be accidental, or a mating strategy where one male just uses another to carry is sperm to a female
@@leahjames6870 Why not? You obviously *FEEL* the presence of some divine being in your life and yet you yourself are not one. Just say that you don't understand trans folks or that they make you uncomfortable. Those are easily relatable things and no one would judge you to much for it, but when you invoke some higher power condemning others is when people get mad. It's ok not to understand, it's ok to be squicked out, but it's not ok to be a bigot! Edit: for anyone else, this person did infact invoke "gOd" under one of my comments and now im hunting around for other comments of theirs. Sorry for the confusion and happy scrolling! 😘
The LGB is based on sexuality and biological truth. The "T" is based on "genderism". Not based in biological reality. It's opposite to biological reality.
@@kathyb1011 for starters, your comment is being hidden. I can only see it because I previously commented on this thread. Secondly: how can you accept that being gay is a biological imperative while being trans is not?? You're almost there my guy! Almost...
You have no idea how much it hurt to change my opinion on this... I did, but damn, dude. The cognitive dissonance was no joke. I really fought hard against this, but now I have a different understanding and compassion for trans people.
You're being duped. All these fun facts about non mammals is irrelevant to mammals and the biology of humans. Sex is binary in all mammals, including humans. DSDs are not a 3rd sex. Forrest is nothing more than an activist.
I did too. I was pretty anti LGBT in general, until I was honest with my own bisexuality. And I was against trans people until I started to realize that trans people are real and no amount of rhetoric will change. Trans people are real.
Character development! A person spends their whole life learning. It’s okay to have been wrong, being wrong isn’t the end it simply gives you the chance to develop further. Thanks for your compassion and understanding, people like me constantly live with the threat that our rights are going to be taken away. I live in Texas, the government has said they’re looking into ways to ban transition amongst children AND adults and that they do not support any confirmation whatsoever.
Correct. So that we can see exactly what crap people can come up with, to show exactly how qualifications often mean nothing. This is especially true if it comes from a trans activist with nothing to say but pure crap.
@@natepoodle9132can you actually be specific with the claims your trying to make? It’s easy to just call something “crap” without stating why you think that’s the case. Tell me why you think it’s crap and support your claim with sufficient evidence. Doubt you even watched the first 10 minutes of the video
@@arkparkp4185 I endured all of it, thanks to 2x speed. He implied sex is not binary in humans. If you need help with/ evidence for that, then cease the conversation right now. The vast majority of what he says is irrelevant waffle. I could have finished this video in less than a minute. Possibly around the same amount of time it takes to read this comment.
@@arkparkp4185 It’s crap because he’s right human biology is complicated but where it’s wrong is when it’s used to justify saying there’s more than 2 genders. Sure we can mess with genetic code in a lab to create some intersex genders and what not but that isn’t a 3rd gender. If there’s truly a 3rd gender what is its unique characteristics and what is its reproductive purpose?
"I'm a cis gender and mostly straight." This is how I label myself too. I also believe that, if people were more open and less stigmatized, that 100% straight wouldn't be the majority.
@@beluga2342 I'm saying that most people aren't 100% straight and would come out if society didn't care about things like this. It is society that puts people in a box
Loved this. I am almost 60 and I am demi-sexual (which is a form of asexuality). Some of the most frustrating conversations I have had with male friends over beers is when they see an attractive women and they would ask me 'Would you do her?' My honest answer is 'I don't know.' They can't understand, she is attractive, she is female, how could I not know? Once again my honest answer is 'I don't know her.' They can't compute this. Why would I have to know her to find her attractive. Truth is that I don't, I understand that she is attractive. Truth is, I have to know her and have positive interactions with her in order to feel the urge to act on that attraction. But try explaining that to someone who gets a hard-on every time a young woman walks past him. Queue George Thorogood I Drink Alone...its better company.
Ayyy another aspec person! I'm asexual and have identified as such since high school. Totally get what you went through, I've tried to explain to straight friends how I just don't get sexually attracted to Anyone Ever (I don't think I'm demi, very just ace) they do not understand it. And they get confused cause I can tell when someone is like, conventionally attractive but I still don't get the f e e l i n g s. Confusing straight people is a fun thing for me sometimes :)
Wait people arnt like this!!?? I thought they forced themselves to think they wanted to have sex with them because they thought it was funny or something?? People actually get hard for that?? What!?? How you think is normal? Isn't that normal?? I feel conflicted...am I not normal then? 😥😨😫
@@amepetrie.7436 Hi there Val G, I hope we didn't stress you out with this. Yeah, finding out that most people experience genuine sexual attraction to others can be weird when you yourself are somewhere on the aromantic and/or asexual spectrum. Don't worry about 'being normal' cause what's even normal, ya know? Everyone is different and I don't think there's even such a thing as "normal." If you are unfamiliar with asexuallity and wanna learn more about it, I encourage you to check out other people's stories and do some research. There's quite a few channels on UA-cam that have incredible hosts who identify somewhere on the asexual spectrum and have a great community of followers. I personally gained a lot of self confidence when I figured I was asexual, so I really hope you don't feel alienated or anything like that. I hope you can take confidence in your identity, whatever you find that might be, and I wish you the best of luck if you choose to question your sexuality more closely
@@Creature_of_Knight ahh I already suffer from anxiety how do I live my life knowing people get TURNED ON by LOOKING AT People?? Wtheck. Do you know if it happens everyday? Do you know how it works by any chance? I've searched quite a lot on Google and UA-cam and people arnt really going into detail (probably why I never knew why it ExiSted) but you don't have to answer I know it's a lot, just trying to wrap my head around it. 😵💫😖😅
That is A LOT to take in, as someone who stopped studying biology in highschool. And it has definitely opened my eyes regarding sexuality and gender identity. Also props to the fact that the video is super entertaining and not just informative. That said, I think I'm going to watch it again, there is so much info that one watch is definitively not enough!
she did made some not that clever or appreciated comment. point is I only remember there was a comment, but not the contence of it anymore. The fuss was louder then the message.
@@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo yeah, these people don't want their minds changed. they just turn up the volume on their own shit because they think if they're louder it makes them right.
I can't thank you enough. When you explained the "configurations" for male or female, as a nonbinary person, you helped me reassure myself and I really needed that. It's nice to know there must be something going on in my brain for me to be the way I am and that it's not a bad thing.
@@alexisduarte8820 first of all why are you bringing my reproductive system into this. It's incredibly rude. Gender is a spectrum and I never mentioned my genitalia or my reproductive system at all.
I think the most important aspect he mentioned is that science is only trying to categorize and make sense of what already exists. You exist the way you are. You don't need science to validate you, all it could do is try to understand you and why you are a certain way. But in the end, none of it really matters, you will still be you and that's always the result of your physiology and your experiences as an individual.
Oh my god I'm already in love with this. Love how you define the terms you will be using. I'm a philosopher, and I have been taught that this is very important in order to convey the message properly. Language is a form of communication. There are no "right" or "wrong" words as long as the meaning is passed through from the speaker to the listener.
As a non binary person who has been repeatedly invalidated in both personal and professional life, thank you for this video. It's beautiful to see someone so completely supportive and validating, while still educating!
Humans are 2 genders, they are sexual dimorphic. Meaning they are binary. Are you XXY? Doubt it.. those people have anatomical issues and are very rare. I’m sure you’re just entitled. :)
Great video, but wrong at 1:22. Humans are not just Animals. Humans have become something-else. Thats fact. Great Video though; i emailed it to my Family instantly.
@@evergarden8592 Humans are Humans. Thats not quite the same as 'bigger animals', duh. I'm surprised how this comment-section is hardly grasping what I'm saying. Oof.
Thank you so much. I know I'm a little late but this was an amazing video to watch and attempt to grasp. I was recommended to this video by my friend who was transitioning mtf and it brings a whole new light to it. Thank you Forrest. Ps Sorry for the grammar errors.
"Imagine you are trying to win a debate, and instead of presenting your argument with relevant evidence, you gather an incredible amount of irrelevant data against your opponent’s position. This is common with young earth creationists, who believe that the earth was created 6,000 years ago. To try and validate their beliefs, young earth creationists dump an incredible number of arguments one after the other onto the opponent, from the idea that the light coming from other stars was created in transit to make the appearance of age to the idea that radiometric dating and other objective methods of dating rocks and fossils are based on a host of incorrect assumptions (Peppe & Deino 2013). Some of these arguments seem complex (and they might be), yet they are all irrelevant, misinterpretations of the evidence, or just complete fabrications. The key is that they all take advantage of people’s ignorance. This is known as the Gish gallop. It is a fallacy often found in pseudoscience, where you attempt to drown your opponent in a “flood of individually weak arguments” which take much energy to refute (Elsher). While it was and still is common with young earth creationists, the strategy is now being used by sex spectrum pseudoscientists. The best example of this Gish gallop technique is “Sex and Sensibility,” a 30 minute video that argues male and female are unreliable categories. It is written and presented by evolutionary anthropology student Forrest Valkai. Practically every sentence is riddled with information about the biology of sex, from the simple to the complex. Some points are true, and others are complete misrepresentations. There are so many points of information that it would take hours to carefully respond to each one, something we painstakingly did, which you can find here. Forrest’s argument strategy is not much different from that of young earth creationists. Ironic, considering he is best known for debunking none other than young earth creationists." Paradox Institute Want to read more? Click on the link and see why Forrest has distorted science to prop-up pseudo-science... www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/sex-biology-and-the-gish-gallop Or stay and learn false science.
No grammar errors at all! Just a slight error with usage - it's probably better to say 'my friend... recommended this video to me.' You should be very proud of your English. And of your friend.
@@angelamaryquitecontrary4609 Do you honestly think that cretins who pose as scientifically literate educators lie, not just to adults, but to kids by claiming that biology supports the trans claims that sex and gender are fluid deserve respect? Do you honestly think that people who think children are fair game in their ideological war on truth deserve respect? That they should be sexualised and encouraged to butcher themselves by claiming that they were born in the wrong bodies, do you honestly believe they deserve respect? I suspect, looking at your name that you are one of those dangerous ideologues, and if so, you do not deserve respect.
I'm gonna send this to my dad if he tries to say basic biology when I come out as trans, thank you. He'll probably get mad about this, but he won't see me as his daughter if it's that bad anyways, I don't care if he doesn't even think I'm a good son.
@@somebodylikesbacon1960 Godspeed my friend o7 I'm only out to my friends and teachers, my mom is a huge ally but my dad... Well let's say my dad is as far right on the political spectrum as infowars... So i'm waiting to come out to my parents till i have a guaranteed place to stay a while after it blows over and we can discuss. My friends are supportive tho so i'm good on that front
@@somebodylikesbacon1960 You will never be his daughter as you went down a MALE developmental pathway. You will never be a woman. I'm sure he'll be proud seeing you inject estrogen and get breast implants and prance around as if you're one of us. I think he's looking at the end of his genetic line through you.
i just can’t thank you enough for this. i just wish i could grasp it all and be able to verbally share your arguments on command! i guess i’ll settle with sending this video to people who need to hear your words. you are amazing sir!
What I do is tell myself "I want to be able to teach this thing to people this good" and study the video and go deeper until I can. That's what I'm doing with Aron Ra's 50 part series 'Systematic Classification of Life', combined with 'History of Life' by Richard Cowen, 'Vertebrate Palaeontology' by Michael Benton and whatever other books and videos I can find. I will be able to explain the entire thing that well some day, no if and or buts about it!
This just made me tear up. You legit just said you want to focus on listening to people like me who are living out the science that we should be focusing on. Obviously, that's a low scale, selfish version, but either way. This made me feel so seen. How remarkable
This video probably single handedly made me reevaluate a lot of the positions I had on sex and gender. I've honestly been on the fence for years about a lot of the gender/sex spectrum arguments. I, for the longest time, believed that transgenderism was the result of a form of body dysmorphia, a mental condition, because that's what the science seemed to point to. But knowing, for sure, that there are biological explanations for all of these occurrences supports my even earlier beliefs that there must be some kind of biological reason for this, and finding out that it's not just the result of mental illness really makes me glad, and I am happy to be able to say for sure that my position is backed by science. Keep up the good work, Forrest. BTW if Forrest is your real name, I love it. NGL if I ever had two boys as kids I would love to name them Forest and Hunter.
It isnt the result of mental illness at all... not even remotely... if you didn't mean to imply that you thought that, please edit your comment, because right now it implies that you believe the incorrect statement that transgender people are that way due to mental illness of some sort, which as this video shows, is an extremely innacurate statement.
"Gender dysphoria" is a type of body dysmorphia; it's caused by the mismatch between the brain's "map" of what the body is supposed to look like vs. the actual body layout, not the cause of it. Essentially, "being trans" typically (because not all trans people experience dysphoria or experience it in different ways) causes dysphoria because your own internal sense of what your body "should" be doesn't match with your actual physical body, which makes perfect sense if trans women have "female brains in male bodies" and vice versa for trans men. That's why transition is the accepted treatment for gender dysphoria - it's a method to help make the physical body match the brain's expectations and bring them into alignment, thus alleviating the sense of wrongness. It's also why transition isn't a singular, binary thing. It's a process and people can transition as much or as little as they feel necessary to create that alignment. Some people are comfortable with their existing genitalia but take hormone therapies, some people have surgery, and for some people socially transitioning is sufficient. Gender exists on a broad spectrum, and there's no "right way" for anyone to express their gender identity outside of what is comfortable for them. Likewise, transition exists on a spectrum, and where people choose to stop is entirely between them and their doctors, based on what feels correct to the person in question.
@@Malkavon Even without a detailed explanation, almost anyone can experience a bit of gender dysphoria if you treat them as if they're not the gender they say they are. If you took a cisgender male and forced them to live as a female they would inevitably feel uncomfortable in that state. It's really not impossible to comprehend that your sense of identity and how the world views you can have a profound impact on your mental state if they're not in congruence with each other.
I'm so happy you are open minded enough to understand these concepts. I makes me hopeful for humanity to see people like you change their perspective when you are finally given a chance to understand. Thank you so so much for having an interest in making the world a better place for me and all my other trans friends. It truly means the world to me
@@magma7155 Hi and thanks for commenting, really kind of you :) I think all matters would be a lot easier to deal with if we just collectively agreed that: 1) The Dunning Krueger effect is very much real and maybe some topics require more nuance than just two or three talking points and 2) The human body is just… really weird. Although we’re making advancements we still don’t understand everything about it and that’s okay. I think this video does a great job persuading people toward empathy, it manges to be informative without being either daunting or dumbing things down and that’s quite a feat!
This is a great video. Though I’ve considered myself supporting of LGBTQ+ through most of my adult life, I was still kinda double minded about how I feel about trans individuals. I didn’t realize how truly nuanced sex-determination is till now. Thank you
Hoooollyyyy crap! You mean to tell me I’ve been wrong the whole time?!😳 I grew up hating on the LGBTQ PEOPLE all because I was told it’s a sin and that God don’t like them. I feel so stupid now hearing this. How little I know I feel so bad now. Thank you so much for this video and for opening my eyes about this topic and thanks to you, i now have to look at things different than what I was taught. Wow I never bother looking into science as well because I was told they don’t make any sense and they always change. After watching this video I’m gon look into science more. There’s so much I don’t know apparently and here I thought I did. gosh I’m an idiot.🤦🏾
It's alright. You are not alone, I've been that way, too. Thankfully, we can grow out of our bad ideas and beliefs. Congrats to you 👍 it takes strength and effort to change your mind and admit you were wrong. Let's just keep learning to eradicate bad ideas.
@@Matt_the_pirate according to some of my friends and family it’s a curse and weakness, but thank you for your thoughts, I feel like a little kid again relearning everything on this new journey I’m on.😅
That's what's rediculous about the folks who deride folks who say "there are more than two sexes and gender is a construct", because they don't get that that came from biologists, they they decry Bill Nye as "falling to the woke mob" 😂 these bigot cats are literally ignorant
@@blacktigerpaw1 I'm not going to contest that I have my sex assigned at birth as M and I do have a penis, but I guess you missed the rest of this video? I don't think your post is as strong of an argument as you think it is.
Lots of hearts out to you Forrest for giving us this vid. I'm a trans man and had a confusing first conversation with a endocrinologist so a peer bro of mine sent me a link to your vid. And though I feel like my head's exploding right now, I'm also kinda thankful to have more understanding what's going on. That really made my day better. THANK YOU man!
I can't speak to the IQ level of your endocrinologist but this guy committed a few logical fallacies, cherry picked data and promoted one subjective straw man argument that is actually emotional abuse and gas lighting. Also, you're not a man, if you can't successfully reproduce as a man. It's probably your personality.
Nah, just human extinction. What he calls natural variability is fine but if it's disabling our ability to successfully reproduce, he will lie and say it isn't a congenital birth defect that is a harmful mutation. So it's autism, fashion trends, the evil force of marketing, and Petro chemicals confusing gene expression in human bodies, and his bad arguments commiting logical fallacies.
I appreciate this more than I thought I would. I grew up in a religious environment with a cap of limitation on gender, sex, and biology. Thank you for knowledge that helps me explain who I am to those who will never understand.
This is without any equivocation the best explanation I have ever seen of this complexity. The ability to communicate science is under rated and exceptionally necessary. Well done.
@@raylevi5343 Hey trans man here! Just want to validate that it is absolutely easy to see things we aren't used to as weird when we don't have much experience with it! Being raised with the overly-simplified ideology that there are only two, rigid, genital-based genders makes it very difficult to see transgender people as normal or natural, right? I know this myself because I experienced intense pain throughout my life as a result. From my earliest memories, I remember thinking "why can't I just feel like a girl like my friends do? why can't I just be a tomboy? why does trying to be a girl (even a very masculine girl) make me feel so unhappy and uncomfortable in my own skin?" I believe deeply in feminism, in the belief that women are amazing and powerful and deserving of equality... And yet, I just could not feel like a woman. No matter what I did, no matter how much I tried to blend in and pretend I was a woman, no matter how much my body changed though puberty and over time... I was miserable. It took all the courage I could possibly come up with to sit with the truth that my brain and body were screaming that something was going on, that I was pushing myself into deeper and deeper depression by trying to force myself into a category that didn't quite fit. I'm almost 30 years old, and starting testosterone injections has been the first time in my life that I felt peace in my body. Naming myself a name that fits better makes me feel like myself for the first time. Hearing people call me "he" makes me feel known for the first time. I feel human. I feel me. I feel so much better!!! All of the time I spent trying to tell myself I was lying or making it up or too broken or too "crazy" to be a man because being transgender was just "too weird".... All of that time I'm now healing from the scars of it. I'm healing from the trauma and the times I tried to hurt myself to "just fit in" just "not be weird". I'm so much better being myself. And yes, it IS weird to start accepting something that is so unfamiliar, that is so stigmatized, that is so hidden from our cultural knowledge and society. But I'd much rather accept that my body, like ALL bodies, is complex. And yeah, complexity is weird. Humans are weird. Animals are weird. Biology is weird. But that's what makes it so interesting too. It's not JUST weird to be different from other people, to have variations. It's perfectly normal too :) I hope my story can help you or other people find some humanity in my weirdness. We are all in this life together, so we may as well try to be kind to one another. Take care
@@redrooster3420 No, you misunderstood. It's not a new/unfamiliar concept to me at all. However, from the experiences/examples/theories I've seen, I still think there's a gap of logic between "understandable" and "normal". It falls somewhere between there.
0:00 : *INTRODUCTION*
0:53 : We are not special
1:41 : Basic biological terminology
3:08 : *SEX*
3:12 : What is sex?
3:21 : *GAMETES*
3:21 : How we generally define sex in terms of gametes
3:45 : Why boxes won't fit everyone
4:28 : Problems with the definition
- There are several species with males and females but their gametes are all the same size
- We could try defining sex by mating types (who's giving/who's receiving gametes) but then some species have females implant their eggs into males who then give birth (seahorses for examples)
- Fruit fly males have 3 different sizes of gametes, so by that there could be 4 sexes or at least 2 sexes but with 3 subspecies of males, and even then one of the sizes of the male gametes are larger than female gametes which violates rule we've made up about gamete sizes
- Many species don't only produce one type of gamete for their entire lives
- Some humans/animals can have ovotestes (testicular tissue on one side, ovarian tissues on the other. 6:21)
6:43 : *CHROMOSOMES*
6:55 : How we generally define sex in terms of chromosomes
7:14 : Problems with the definition
- We are not all females by default then turn into males because of the Y chromosome, that is a myth.
7:55 : SRY
- Splicing SRY (a gene found in Y chromosomes) into XX female mice gave them the ability to develop male genitalia, testes, and behaviors
- Cutting out SRY from XY male mice gave them the ability to develop ovaries, feminine behaviors and even getting pregnant and having litters
- However, SRY is not just a magical on and off switch for sex.
- EG: female wallabies with XX chromosomes that don't have any egg cells at birth developed testes
- EVERYONE HAS THE GENES FOR BOTH TESTES AND OVARIES
9:07 : SOX9
- SOX9 (on everyone's X chromosome) gives you testes, NR0B1 (on everyone's X chromosome) stops SOX9, SRY (on XY people's chromosomes) stops NR0B1 from stopping SOX 9 from making testes therefore allowing testes to be developed
- SO you can have a perfectly functional Y chromosome and have a problem with your SOX 9 gene and end up with ovaries
- OR you could have no Y chromosome at all but have a faulty NR0B1 gene and develop testicles
10:38 : *HORMONES*
10:46 : What basically is HRT in mice
11:02 : We ALL have ALL sex hormones + What they do
12:01 : Hormones don't really do much anyways
12:40 : Practically useless second X for people with XX chromosomes
13:00 : Useless Y chromosome for certain people with XY chromosomes
14:29 : *We are all VARIATIONS, not anomalies, not deformities, not defects.*
16:55 : *GENDER*
16:59 : What is gender?
18:02 : Differences in sexes with different species
18:50 : HUMAN MALES CAN LACTATE TOO
19:33 : We are not special, only difference is that we can communicate how our identity feels
20:11: *BRAINS*
20:22 : There are structural differences in females and males
21:00 : Trans people's brains match their identity and NOT their genitalia
21:41 : Cis homosexuals' brains match their sex so *trans men are not lesbians, trans women are not gay men* , there is a difference in sexuality and gender
22:03 : Homosexuality genes, WE CANNOT CHANGE OUR SEXUALITY
23:20 : What we've talked about so far
24:25 : Again, boxes are stupid
25:29 : *Why should we care? (trigger warning for suic*de)* , see the trevor project if you want to learn more
26:52 : His qualifications
27:17 : ✨s o u r c e s ✨, all 233 of them
This is such a great video!!! I've been looking everywhere for a good list of facts that I can refer to when debating others, thank you so much! Only thing I would suggest is including non binary people since they are just as biologically valid as binary people are.
Thanks for this! Will definitely be helpful for me as well
hey forrest, can you pin this?
Definitely pin this!
Thanks, Bonsai Plant :)
You're a real one bro
Ily thank you 🌟
so those ads saying there are hot females in your area were talking about lizards.
Warning you. Hot females are very aggressive.
Just came across this video and this comment, and I nearly died from laughing. Thank you.
Amphibian...
That’s a lot funnier
Lmaoo
"We're not fungi"
Speak for yourself, I happen to be a really fun guy.
i was gonna make that same joke
@@baked7327 here take da mushroom. 🍄(EDIT) the take da mushroom is a reference to an achievement in dungeon defenders on the ps3. Just incase anyone was curious.lol
I wanted to upvote your comment, but I thought that the "69" current ups suited it better ;)
@@TheNitrop Sadly, 3 people won’t let us have nice things.
🤣
As a science student who's going to write my big (and very important to my grade) assignment on this, the source list is very sexy
Good luck!! :>
As a science student, you denying biological sex is actually going to kill people. But hey, doctors have high malpractice rates, so you'll just be another statistic for killing people under your case.
@@blacktigerpaw1 wait...what?
@@blacktigerpaw1 did you watch the video lol?
@@blacktigerpaw1 as a science STUDENT, perhaps you could watch the video from the graduated biologist? and how is learning more about gene expression, and its role in sex characteristics, denying biological sex? at the very beginning of the video, he stated its not an opinion piece, he is simply explaining how and why certain aspects of sex and gender are how they are, in the biological sphere. getting mad at this, is like getting mad at someone for explaining how solar fusion operates, citing the lecturer is going to give people skin cancer.
"Unless you have had your brain scanned and your genome sequenced..."
Sounds like a fun weekend activity to do with the squad
getting your genome sequenced with the homies
Starbucks and brain scans this week mate? 🎉
@@ryanknight199Simply, tubular, my dear boy.
Ngl I'd pay to see this man go into depth on every topic he said he didn't have time to go into
He has a Patreon :)
@@FahadAyaz Does he cover those topics over there?
At this point go straight and study to become a biologist. :v
@@Diego-lz8fn Probably not, but patreons could talk him into doing just that, if you feel up to the task of riling them up :)
@@Azarilh well, maybe not straight ;)
Me: "That's enough sources. Alright, THAT'S ENOUGH SOURCES."
Forrest: "YOU get a source. AND YOU GET A SOURCE. AND YOU GET A SOURCE!"
Would be nice if we could download the list somewhere though...
@@fedoralexandersteeman6672 100% agreed
anyone can make up a list of cites that agree with their predetermined bias. The cites are cherry-picked and worthless. figures don’t lie, but liars figure.
@@sandsmarc That was literally like hundreds of sources. And you're telling me every one of them was cherry-picked? I guess I can't argue with that. Other than it seems to me that you're the one with the bias. Oh, and I love your cute catch phrase at the end there.
“STOP PLEASE WE’RE DROWNING” 🤣
The table pounding really added to the video.
right? and the urgency in his voice. like, listen god damn it! this is really important!
@@katielove1276 He'd make a fantastic teacher in class, everyone will pay attention and be enjoying it all, if only they would even teach this at schools.
@@peacefulleo9477,
Not here in SE Georgia. 🤔😶😔
I really didn't like it, it was distracting to me. It would be fine if the microphone wasn't on the table.
@@peacefulleo9477 Arguing DSDs are a third sex and tapping the table to prove a point isn't as epic as you think it is.
Humans are a binary sex and males aren't born with female brains.
My favourite quotes are:
1) "Life makes all the rules and breaks all the rules, all the time"
2) "Life is weird as shit"
Transphobes: "Male and Female, that's just basic biology!"
Actual Biologist: "What is this 'basic biology' you speak of?"
Advanced biology: **exists**
Transphobes: *Simply ignore it*
intersex=/=trans
Random Viewer Not A Strawman: "Reproductive biology. Weren't you supposed to be the science one?"
As a teacher, the one thing you don't do when explaining something is overcomplicate the concept. KISS algorithm. Occam's Razor tells us not to add any unnecessary assumptions.
@@reubenmanzo2054 obviously it isn't fair to expect the general public to know all this about biology, problems arise when people refuse to accept it when it's presented to them
Tldr: sex is complicated, stop arguing about it and do whatever feels right
That pretty much sums it up.
Yeah the do it if it feels good mentality. Absolutely destroying the society
Immunology: "We are the quantum physics of biology"
Sex and Gender Biology: "Hold my gonads!"
@@charliem6467 if society is wrong, then their opinion aught to be destroyed
@@andrewenderfrost8161 society isn’t wrong the left is wrong
That absurdly long citation list was a great backhanded flex.
I grew up in the southern part of the US. I took one high school level biology class in 8th grade. That’s the only biology class I’ve ever taken. I’ve never understood how so many people came to such a disconnect around this topic. I learned about evolution and how “messy” genetic information can be in a population. So naturally this diversity would apply to humans and manifest in many ways. That’s all it took. A basic understanding of biology that (at the very least) a middle schooler is capable of.
Because it doesn't match their beliefs. Simple as that.
This is old but I’ll say I never took anatomy in middle/HS and my biology teacher loudly proclaimed she was skipping the chapter on humans. I grew up Christian and had a Catholic bio teacher, so I have no idea if that had any part of it.
I learned nothing about human biology until college. Not really saying to make any point, just telling my sad experience. I’m American.
It’s because the people advocating for this stuff are wanting to butcher children
Remember, We all came from Adam and Eve, so that makes incest legal! Incest in the Bible refers to sexual relations between certain close kinship relationships, which are prohibited by the Hebrew Bible. So doesn't that make Adam and Eve wrong?
Update under the original comment
I am gonna admit something that is hard for me to admit. I was wrong. I will also admit that at the beginning of this video, I was getting irritated, and I began shutting down because I expected this to be a far left liberal argument. I literally had to pause the video and remind my self that your videos are rarely if ever politically motivated and that they are always about per reviewed data, tested and proven theory, and your own understanding based on your extensive education and experience in your chosen career path.
I have made a lot of the false arguments you pointed out in this video. And here is the thing even with those arguments I still supported trans rights but did not give the scientific weight to my support because I was under the impression that science defined gender and sexuality by a binary system. So here I am, I admit that I was wrong, I made false arguments, and I made mistakes that I now know better than to make. Moreover, this video helped sort out some VERY confusing feelings I've been having about my own identity. I realize now that my gender and even my sexuality are more fluid and less concrete than I previously thought, and I have been extremely unfair to myself and, more importantly, the people around me. And I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I understood everything in this video or even absorbed all the information that I at my current level of education am able to absorb. In fact, I'm willing to bet I have some points in this video twisted in the wrong way. However, given what I think I know and understand now, I am glad to have a more accurate and better understanding of who I am now and how the world around me works. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, I genuinely mean that
Edit: After over a year of self exploration, I have discovered that I am MtF trans! This video launched the self-discovery. Thank you, forest ❤️
Always remember: there is no shame in admitting you were wrong. The only shame is holding onto a wrong belief past the point of reason.
Even bigger than admitting you were wrong is your willingness to explore your own identity. Some of my most rewarding self awareness moments are recognizing where I am outside the binary labels. It has made me so much more fascinated with my own identity concepts and appreciative of others'.
@@wadehathawaymusic
Whatever that means 🤨 I think you just need a hobby
@@lev3432 I don't know about Wade, but my most recent hobby was trying to understand you in this comment section
So far I can only access that you need to spend more time outside
@@ZelphTheWebmancer You're literally a furry... LOL
“ At least mostly straight “ highlight of the video
I perked up, too!
I loved that part! xD
I hope he is attracted to Men as well .. Am i the only one ?
@@rebeccaanderson5626 not if these comments are any indication. I’m with you!
@@bksrmt Thanks bro/ by the way i am a cismale . name is for cat-fishing
This is not the first time I've watched this. But, I just registered a great line... "...all of this pretty much categorically rules out that somebody can be (finger quotes) turned gay, or worse, straightened out..." makes my heart warm. I love how understanding you are about people. You're more than accepting of the LGBTQ Community. You actually educate others of the science behind who we are. I love your videos.
unrelated but awesome pfp
You know, this was the only part that I balked at. Why is one scenario worse than the other? Aren’t they both equally bad?
@@rojavidaI think the point is that one of those scenarios has been, and continues to be way more prevalent than the other, not that one is categorically worse than the other
@@mikeboyd-el1wj I have to confess that I don’t know what point you are trying to make. Is Forest attempting humour here?
@@rojavida I think the reason he emphasised 'straightened out' as bad is that this idea lead to things like conversion therapy. Which people describe as basically torture.
I'm 62 and your enthusiasm for science is fucking fabulous, thank you.
His enthusiasm for trying to prove a man can be a woman you mean. There is no science in what he says. It's all fabrication.
same here. where were these guys when we were kids?
Forrest Valkai is the atheist equivalent of the Christian pseudo-scientist Kent Hovind. Forrest is not a bonafide biologist, rather he is a trans activist and therefore his science has been whitewashed to prop-up LGBTQIA2S claims on sex, gender and gender identity! .
@@NicholasOlinsky All around us. They brought us here, to exactly this moment;)
What I actually mean is that just the information you can send and receive, you can filter and find is way better than 20 years ago.
Yeah, that is also a two-sided sword, because now you have to actually learn, HOW to search for that information and evaluate the validity of that. A small cost, in my opinion (and sadly, something many people, including youngsters, do not learn by default).
You mean $cience?
I absolutely love this. Being raised conservative, it was biology and how beautifully weird it is that helped me accept my own variations, and become and better and more understanding person. There was a lot of detail here i had never heard, and I would love to here you go into everything you didn't have time to go into for this video.
Raise your hand if you want a whole series on scientist explaining sexuality, sex, gender, etc🙋♀️
I would love that, both for the ability to learn more, but also the comments of people being like "but that's not as simple as I want it to be."
no , biologists should. theyre experts at it, thats all they do. biology is incredibly complicated and sometimes just stupid. better let the specialists talk about what they study
@@Lhaenen Forrest IS a biologist.
To learn more about gender I would actually recommend listening to sociology majors. Biologists help us by disproving dumb science arguments to transphobia however gender is part of a soft science like sociology and not hard sciences like biology. Really interesting to listen to sociologists explain the phenomenon of gender and gender roles.
How are the ideas that human sexuality and self-identity are on a spectrum, such a hard thing to accept? Icky, says one group, and the liberal yet ignorant (group I was a part of before this excellent explanation) say, but isn’t it obvious. No. Turns out not so much. Turns out, mathematically, not even close to a this or that situation. EVERYTHING in the universe is on a spectrum. Complexity couldn’t arrive out of exact copies. Why wouldn’t something as clearly complicated as sexuality and self-identity be any different, I say to my derpy fence-sitting lazy ill-formed opinion having self. I truly appreciate being educated and humbled by my own ignorance and lack of curiosity.
Hi. I'm an applied biologist (amongst other things) and I find sharing this video is easier than trying to explain these concepts to people who are arguing about "real females" 🙄
You are a great science communicator.
Lmao great to see its not just angry bigots and sudo scientists in the comments. Agree 100%
@@hartraiser pseudo* But I get your point.
Lmao this guy admitted in the first couple minutes that everyone gets one set of chromosomes from mom and one from dad. He does know what male and female are.
@@ems3991 did you just turn off the video at that point and ignore every thing he said after that or what
@@Cowboyfan6496 HELP THAT DUDE LITERALLY MUSTVE GOTTEN SO CAUGHT UP ON THAT PART, when they saw them say that they must have been like "AHA, IVE GOT THEM NOW!!!!"
I cannot thank you enough for making a video like this and citing 233 sources!! You make the world a better place and help so many of us feel confident standing up to homophobic family members.
233 sources all coming from the same type of pseudoscience camp as Forrest.
Trans phobic family wants an autistic person to reproduce successfully and they won't because of autism. I'm all for trans rights if it makes autistic people sterile.
"If the biggest problem that you're having in the twenty-first century involves what other people's genitals look like, and what they're doing with those genitals in the presence of other consenting adults, you may need to reevaluate your priorities."
I think this is my new favorite quote
If the biggest problem you have in the 21st Century is that someone "misgendered" you then it is definitely time to reevaluate priorities.
@John Wilkes i really don't want to get into a fight about this, but 1) literally no one is trying to throw you in jail for misgendering trans people (although it is a shitty thing to do) and 2) did you actually watch the video, or just go to the comments to complain? you might learn something from it. finally, it's not 'merely speaking your mind' to deny people human rights, intentionally label them against their wishes, and tell them they shouldn't exist in more extreme cases, especially over an issue that you haven't properly researched
So, I've denied folks their human rights have I? Should I be punished for such a heinous act? Or are you advocating live and let live?
@@johnwilkes4671 we are advocating live and let live. no one is calling for your blood or protesting to get you fined or jailed. people care when you misgender them because it often brings back bad memories and/or makes them extremely uncomfortable in their own skin, but we ('we' being the lgbtq+ community at whole; i cannot speak for trans people) don't care about the punishment of people who do it. we want to be accepted through education and understanding, not fear of punishment. and yes, i believe that you, given the choice, would not allow trans people human rights.
@@johnwilkes4671 well, let's see. would you stop trans people from getting surgeries if you could? from expressing themselves in a way that matches the gender they identify as? from using certain labels? those are all rights, even without getting into the bathroom debate. again, i don't really want to have a long fight about this. if you want to learn, give me any evidence against trans people and i will dispute it. otherwise just don't waste both our time.
I have been trying to overcome the religious bias I was raised with, but have had a hard time with trans people. I think this is the most helpful video to get past that.
This particular one thanks for your time, and your curiosity
@@rainjaydd8213 this one does as well. We're just people like you
good for you my friend, overcoming what you were raised with is a really hard thing to do
@@rainjaydd8213 certainly.
@@imagomonkei by acknowledging your own biases and having intent to change, you’re already miles and miles ahead of most everybody else!
as a teenage trans man i started tearing up a bit towards the end where you talked about suicide rates and whatnot. thank you for caring, thank you for knowing so much, and thank you for sharing what you know.
I am glad to know I was not the only one who started tearing up.
As a cis man that hits hard. It infuriates me that it seems we're regressing in society in our acceptance of our LGTBQ+ friends. I point people to this video that want to argue about basically anything in this video.....gender spectrum, "he was born a man, he's a man" blah blah blah.
One of my cousins was a trans man. He was found dead via suicide on 4th May 2022. The funeral & cremation was today, 31st May 2022.
He was a wonderful person that the whole family misses. He was a paramedic & the ambulance service-people were the honour guard.
Please stay safe, talk to people of you're going downhill mentally, & get professional help if needed.
Make like the other 50 percent
As a young adult nonbinary person, I'm right there with you.
As a plant and fungi enthusiast, I find it refreshing to see biological sex explained in this way with regards to animals (humans specifically). Excellent video and I'm only a few minutes in!
As a 40 year old cis white male with a poor education, I thank you for this video! I plan to share it often. These discussions with those around me here in South Georgia who wish to invalidate others can be exhausting. But this is so well put. So again, THANK YOU!!!!
thank you for helping to keep alive what very little hope in humanity i have. thank you for proving kind, accepting people still exist even in the most hateful, bigoted places
@@avokado1386 Going along with self loathing delusion isn't kind. At all.
@@fredharvey2720 you didn't watch this video, did you. at all. maybe get out of your bubble one day and see how ignorant you are. i wonder if you watch jordan peterson the transphobe with that wording
@@fredharvey2720 It isn’t delusion, at all.
My citations: me, a masters student in Psychology.
But seriously, here’s some actual citations:
Trans validity and effects of various dosages of HRT and puberty suppressants and dialogue on correct trans-care:
Puberty suppression in transgender children and adolescents". The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology. Elsevier BV. 5 (10): 816-826), (Hembree, Wylie C; Cohen-Kettenis, Peggy T; Gooren, Louis; Hannema, Sabine E; Meyer, Walter J; Murad, M Hassan; Rosenthal, Stephen M; Safer, Joshua D; Tangpricha, Vin; T'Sjoen, Guy G (November 2017). "Endocrine Treatment of Gender-Dysphoric/Gender-Incongruent Persons: An Endocrine Society Clinical Practice Guideline". The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism).
To treat or not to treat: puberty suppression in childhood-onset gender dysphoria (Rosalia Costa et al. Nat Rev Urol. 2016 Aug) (not treating childhood-onset gender dysphoria is dangerous as it is a life threatening mental health diagnoses)
Abstract: A Survey Study of Surgeons’ Experience with Regret and/or Reversal of Gender-Confirmation Surgeries (Schechter et al PSTM 2018 Abstract Supplement) (62 detransitioned and of those 62 the most common reasons cited were a change in gender identity (22 patients) followed by rejection or alienation from family or social support (8 patients) and difficulty in romantic relationships (7 patients). The rest of the reasons are similar to the rejection and alienation reasons.)
Puberty suppression in a gender-dysphoric adolescent: a 22-year follow-up (Peggy T Cohen-Kettenis et al. Arch Sex Behav. 2011 Aug.) (puberty suppression even after 22 years has shown no negative effects and in this single individual follow up they were in what could be best described as “perfect health for their age”).
Puberty suppression in transgender children and adolescents (Aris Siafarikas, et al.) (it was found that puberty suppression in some adolescents may be useful, more research needs to be done than just this piece but it was found useful)
Medical Treatment of Children and Adolescents With Gender Dysphoria: An Empirical Ethical Study (Lieke Josephina Jeanne Johanna Vrouenraets et al. J Adolesc Health. 2015 Oct.) (same as above in findings, puberty suppression is the only ethical decision in many cases)
Effect of Estrogen on Musculoskeletal Performance and Injury Risk (Nkechinyere Chidi-Ogbolu and Keith Baar), Front. Physiology, 15 January 2019 (estrogen lowers muscle mass and bone density, though this actually just means it becomes in like with cis women’s average bone density in most cases. In any case, an increase in consumption of proteins, veggies, and working out will fix this issue)
Mental Health and Timing of Gender-Affirming Care Julia C. Sorbara, MD, MSc; Lyne N. Chiniara, MD; Shelby Thompson, MD; Mark R. Palmert, MD, PhD (the timing of care is very important to its success, earlier care is better than later care at saving lives of trans people and fostering better mental health outcomes)
Turban J.L., King D., Kobe J., Reisner S.L., Keuroghlian A.S. (2022) Access to gender-affirming hormones during adolescence and mental health outcomes among transgender adults. PLoS ONE.
Turban, J. L., King, D., Li, J. J., & Keuroghlian, A. S. (2021) Timing of social transition for transgender and gender diverse youth, K-12 harassment, and adult mental health outcomes. Journal of Adolescent Health.
Turban J.L., Loo, S. S., Almazan, A. N., Keuroghlian, A.S. (2021) Factors Leading to “Detransition” Among Transgender and Gender Diverse People in the United States: A Mixed-Methods Analysis. LGBT Health.
Turban, J. L., King, D., Carswell, J. M., & Keuroghlian, A. S. (2020). Pubertal suppression for transgender youth and risk of suicidal ideation. Pediatrics.
Association of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy With Depression, Thoughts of Suicide, and Attempted Suicide Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth Amy E. Green, Ph.D., Jonah P. DeChants, Ph.D., Myeshia N. Price, Ph.D., Carrie K. Davis, M.S.W. Journal of Adolescent Health
Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada
Greta R. Bauer, Ayden I. Scheim, and Rebecca Hammond
Addendum bone density improvement studies:
Physical activity increases bone mineral density in children with type 1 diabetes
Albane B R Maggio et al. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2012 Jul.
(Type 1 diabetes lowers bone density, weight training and working out increases bone density and makes it average out with normalized populations)
Osteogenic effects of a physical activity intervention in South African black children
R M Meiring et al. J Musculoskelet Neuronal Interact. 2014 Sep.
(Another study with a different group from a different location, same results. Physical activity such as working out, weight lifting, etc increases bone health and offsets any bone density loss)
Increased intake of selected vegetables, herbs and fruit may reduce bone turnover in post-menopausal women
Caroline Ann Gunn et al. Nutrients. 2015.
(Increased intake of veggies like cabbage and broccoli increase bone density, recommended to women going through menopause)
Biomarker-calibrated protein intake and bone health in the Women's Health Initiative clinical trials and observational study
Jeannette M Beasley et al. Am J Clin Nutr. 2014 Apr.
(Study with n=144,000 which is a massive participant count, this study looks at increasing protein as a method of boosting bone health. The study found even a minor increase in protein is very helpful to bone growth and maintaining bone health)
Addendum APA citations and those related:
Guidelines for Psychological Practice With Transgender and Gender Nonconforming People
American Psychological Association
(A 33 page document that cites hundreds of studies. It outlines the thinking of scientists and researchers on how to use many terms and outlines care practices, for example “Guideline 2. Psychologists understand that gender identity and sexual orientation are distinct but interrelated constructs.” Is followed by a large amount of studies and a rationale for as to why they as an Association believe this.)
What Is Gender Dysphoria? A Critical Systematic Narrative Review
Zowie Davy, PhD and Michael Toze, PhD
(A critique of the APA and it’s definition and usage of gender dysphoria, this is currently used as the basis of a lot of the APA reasoning on gender dysphoria and was a very important paper for correcting some of the previous issues. It was a broad-scope systematic review of much of the available literature at the time.)
FACT SHEET, gender diversity and transgender identity in adolescents
Project Lead: Colt Meier, PhD Authors: Lauren Mizock, PhD; Effie Mougianis, BA; Colt Meier, PhD Acknowledgments: Ry Testa, PhD; Sean Moundas, PsyD; Deb Coolhart, PhD
( a massive collaborative effort on the topic of the prevalence of gender diversity and trans identities exhibited in adolescents, it found early treatment ad very important in preventing su*cidal ideation and improved mental health outcomesh
Report of the APA Task Force on
Gender Identity and Gender Variance
Margaret S. Schneider, PhD, Chair
University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Walter O. Bockting, PhD, University of Minnesota Medical School, Minneapolis, MN
Randall D. Ehrbar, PsyD, New Leaf Services Our Community, San Francisco, CA, Anne A. Lawrence, MD, PhD
Seattle, WA, Katherine Rachlin, PhD
New York, NY
Kenneth J. Zucker, PhD, Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
APA Staff, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Concerns Office, Clinton W. Anderson, PhD, Director Charlene DeLong, Administrative Coordinator
(A 106 page report on reasoning for various decisions of the APA, 15 pages are exclusive of citations supporting the changes and the validity of trans and non-binary people)
Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association (5th ed.). American Psychological Association.
(Discusses various things such as pronouns and their usage, related to next citation block but included here for ease of use)
@@arlaux1099 TL;DR
How do you square trans apologetics with people with BIID? Do you think clinicians should likewise agree with their self hating thoughts and encourage them to hack off limbs?
nothing as beautiful as a biologist explaining how weird biology is.
It's so hard to explain to people that think in a very binary way how biology actually works. Even tho this video is amazing, it actually misses my favorite part, which is just too far removed from the everyday to matter to anyone but a closet physicist like myself. At the atomic scale, everything is completely random, brownian motion. Each of the biological differences that are discussed in this video that do or don't happen are due to molecules randomly hitting or not hitting specific locations or triggers, sometimes, as he points out, multiple levels deep. Seeing biology as molecules bouncing around in a way that makes their continued existence stoichiometrically (aka probabilistically in a quantum sense) sustainable is really a completely different leveling of understanding of the universe we reside in.
@@kindlin
yea, i get that. i have less an interest in physics (sorry, just not my thing most of the time, fun to hear about, less fun to look into) and look at it more though a biological and chemists lens, which isn't how i see most people look at it. most people are tought to think about DNA as computer code, but it isn't. it's a chemical catalyst, improving the odds of a reaction happening and with that the frequency of it happening, often from not to sometimes with DNA/RNA. many people seem to think "well computer code if very precise, and DNA is like computer code, so DNA is very precise" which is just bloody inaccurate.
@@vinx.9099
The inaccuracy is what I'm trying to get across with my thinking on an atomic scale. Going even one step further, everything down there is quantum and _entirely_ by _definition_ is random. To really imagine this would be almost impossible, we can't even really model it on a computer yet.
Too bad that he confuses trans gender and trans sexual. All his explaination does is confirm that biological diversity can result in medical conditions that most likely require treatment (i.e. male with female brain chem).
@@KangMinseok "male with female brain chem" pretty sure you mean female with nonstandard genitalia. you are your brain, if you have a female brain you are female. if i lose my dick i'll still be the same person, if i lose even a part of my brain i'm not. and yes, corrective surgery exists so that a persons body reflect the body they feel like they should have and feel at home in, though to assume it's required for every trans person is incorrect.
I can’t even begin to explain how INCREDIBLY AMAZING this video is. Even though I struggled a bit with the english terminology the explaining is absolutely incredible. Bottom line: be yourself cause everyone is unique and beautiful in their own way. Very well done!!
Being yourself includes popping hormones.
@@blacktigerpaw1 yep and who the hell cares i know people who take over ten pills a day just to make their body work properly
@@thescarletbunny1305 Yes, because nothing says 'normal and proper' like you pissing out estrogen because you want to become a woman.
@@blacktigerpaw1 yes and people put on breathing tubes are normal, people put on experimental drug treatments for disease are normal, people who get plastic surgery are normal, people who have prosthetics are normal if you wanna be all natural go live in the forest and live on what you can scavenge thats as "normal" as your gonna get by your logic
@@blacktigerpaw1 - I pop hormones cause I got old and my body stopped being nice to me. Out 1/3 of all women over 50 take these hormones. Other people take Hormones to prevent the from getting pregnant. Still others take hormones to keep their skin from attacking itself (steroids are hormones), take fake hormones because my thyroid was removed.
What was our point again? Oh, right that people who have medical conditions often take hormones to help their bodies function normally! Right.great point! Glad people an take m es to be normal!!?
I needed this. After leaving my Christian faith and becoming an atheist, I had accepted homosexuality and was quite disgusted by my family who were all raging homophobes. But I didn’t quite understand transgender people, and the Christian conservatives seemed to actually be reasonable. But this blew my understanding out of the water. Thank you so much. I love this new world I find myself in after rejecting my childish beliefs and I am so excited that the world is becoming more accepting of the lgbtq community
Congratulations for living true to yourself, opening your eyes. Most religious organizations mischaracterize trans people. There is a lot of distortions and lies out there.
Keep up the good work my man. I hope youre proud. Being open to changing your mind like this isn't an effortless thing.
If you believe the TRA agenda, you've come full circle and became a raging homophobe again, because homosexuality is based on sex as a binary. If there are more than two genders, and they are separate from biological sex, then homosexuality does not exist. And that is EXACTLY what TRAs say: that lesbians have a "genital preference" which they "need to unlearn" so that "trans women" with male genitalia can have sex with them. And don't get me started on transing GNC children: that is gay conversion therapy 2.0
@costlymussel3914 What do you know about it fool? If only it were a religion, there might be some respect and protections from the mean and the arrogant. You know nothing of the terrible reality of gender dysphoria. You only know the freedom of not having it. Instead of offering kindness to someone who struggles with something beyond your comprehension, you offer condescension and smugness. You are nothing but a prig! A sad way to live and not a decent person in truth.
@costlymussel3914 dammit the jig is up. How did you know that it takes faith to believe in a group of people that exist? That's supposed to be a secret.
People are under no obligation to make sense to you. I love that. Thank you.
If they're forcing you to partake in their delusion of their identity, yes they are lol
@@strikingsarcophagus bro you're free to ignore science all you want, I don't think asking for some basic respect is forceful in any way.
For example. I don't believe in god, but I don't walk up to every Christian I see and mock them for believing in a space wizard who let his own son die for reasons. It would make me look like a douche.
@@elisehalflight Cool, but the difference is the Christians you're talking about assumedly aren't trying to make you believe in their God.
@@strikingsarcophagus You can be an atheist and still celebrate Christmas
@@elisehalflight Nobody's saying you have to celebrate Christmas or you're anti-Christian
Now I want to go get my brain scanned and genome sequenced, just for funsies
Big mood
Same
You have expensive tastes 😉
According to New Choice Health, the national average cost of a brain CT scan is $3,275
Right!?
sameeeee
"...and _that's_ why I have testicles!"
I honestly have never thought to ever see someone so happy talking about their testicles XD But jokes, aside, I find it quite amazing and I never knew that and I too am very excited to now have this knowledge of how I got testicles. Knowledge is just so fucking awesome! :D
And on _that_ note! "...human males have mammary glands and can produce milk under the right circumstances."
Huh! I was just telling someone I have nipples and not for aestheti... Mammary glands you say? Fuckin' ay! I have tits! :D:D:D:D I'm a dude without those circumstances so they're flat as a pancake, but I HAVE TITS! :D I always wanted to have my own so I didn't have to ask a girl if I can play with hers :p And I had them all along! This is so cool! :D I'ma be in the shower, back in a jiff! XD Woohoo! Mom! Guess what I learned! :D
Well, his whole spiel is way too simplistic.
We are talking about billions of years of evolution and incredible diversity within a singular specie. What we think we know is most certainly wrong.
@@haudace yeah he did kinda explicitly say he was simplifying for the sake of the video, doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong though
"I honestly have never thought to ever see someone so happy talking about their testicles"
[Insert joke at the expense of all straight men here]
"...and *that's* why I have testicles!" Forrest said calmly.
I began life with an open mind. The society we live in seems to attempt to close/ narrow it. Your video has helped to blow my mind back to wide open. I have forgotten how "crazy" and truly unrestricted life is. As the great Ian Malcolm once said, "Life, uh, finds a way."...
So, you commit the fallacy of comparison and this UA-camr has.
The reason why your mind, as a young person, is open, is because you're potential is greater. As an adult, you gain responsibilities. This UA-camr seems to be a nihilist, and didn't even touch the environmental part of estrogen mimicking Petro chemicals, autism mental retardation, and his own flawed arguments.
Him:(cites 233 sources) and if you disagree with me just go through those.
A powermove from my man.
I've shared this with a bunch of Christian people in arguments about trans people and biology. It usually results in no response, or being told “science is a lie, and you're going to hell!”. Great video, easy to understand and fun to completely frustrate the person who tells you “it’s simple biology, your ether a boy or a girl!”. Keep up the great work Forest!
@Red Blue no no no you got it all wrong that's not science that is a gift from god. If believing in a particular science comports with the god belief they already have it's gods will, if it doesn't comport it's a lie or the work of the devil. Lol
I'm not Christian and I don't support this trans movement either. To give an example, if a girl is anorexic, she feels like she's overweight. The feeling may be described as biological in the sense that it's a feeling and can be linked back to brain activity in the same way that a man feels like a woman. But in the case of the anorexic girl, we understand that these feelings do not properly convey reality and we work to correct those feelings. So why is this any different? There is reality and there are feelings and sometimes the feelings are out of step with reality, which is called a mental disorder. We don't just call the anorexic "trans obese" and leave her be.
@@reubenmanzo2054 so you didn't watch the video. Try watching the video and then give your opinions.
@@dlblair I did watch the video and I didn't see any actual evidence as to why someone's feelings should supersede objective and observable reality.
@@reubenmanzo2054 try watching it again, because this has nothing to do with feelings. If you are having a hard time understanding the video that's ok. Just try to break it down and watch it in small parts. Take notes if that helps and look up words you don't understand. If you have any questions I can try and help. I do fear if you think sex and gender identity is just “peoples feelings” after watching Forest’s video you have already made up your mind and just aren't interested in what the science says. I hope I am wrong
Wow! You have legitimately changed my mind on this topic in under 30 minutes. Thanks for the thorough research.
Please consider the difference it makes to trans people and anyone in the LBGT community to be treated like human beings with respect and dignity, and bring that with you to your relationships you may have with people that still think the way you used to. Trans rights are human rights.
Kyle Stoner There are no trans rights. You don’t have a “right” to assert you are something you are not and can never be. That’s silly talk!
@@sandsmarc Oh look who hasn't watched the video! Or failed to adjust their view points with new (and correct) information.
@@sandsmarc Like Meri said, did you even watch this video? lol
You can ignore science all you want but that doesn't make you right. It just leaves you ignorant to the facts you chose not to learn from. In the end you do have a right to not learn but don't be surprised when others call you an ass for choosing to be a bigot based on outdated information you seem to hold so dear. It's time to update your knowledge and advance yourself but you know, you can continue to be uneducated if you wish. This video is a good start though as it sounds like you just came to the comments section to be that ass I mentioned above, or are dealing with an internal battle of self hatred that you could greatly benefit from this video to work through.
But for the record, you are wrong. Please refer to the video above for information as to why, before you start sharing your own "silly talk" again. (Which btw is just your opinion, not scientific fact)
@@sandsmarc okay but how stupid does it sound to call a trans woman who's completely transitioned, a male.
Everything about them appears female, and you wouldn't be able to tell unless they told you. Yet you think it makes logical sense to insist on calling them a male?
This vidoe means the world to me, thank you! the section on brains, gave me so much comfort, that I would have to cry through a sentence explaining how much it meant to me.
Get a grip.
"Imagine you are trying to win a debate, and instead of presenting your argument with relevant evidence, you gather an incredible amount of irrelevant data against your opponent’s position.
This is common with young earth creationists, who believe that the earth was created 6,000 years ago. To try and validate their beliefs, young earth creationists dump an incredible number of arguments one after the other onto the opponent, from the idea that the light coming from other stars was created in transit to make the appearance of age to the idea that radiometric dating and other objective methods of dating rocks and fossils are based on a host of incorrect assumptions (Peppe & Deino 2013). Some of these arguments seem complex (and they might be), yet they are all irrelevant, misinterpretations of the evidence, or just complete fabrications. The key is that they all take advantage of people’s ignorance.
This is known as the Gish gallop. It is a fallacy often found in pseudoscience, where you attempt to drown your opponent in a “flood of individually weak arguments” which take much energy to refute (Elsher). While it was and still is common with young earth creationists, the strategy is now being used by sex spectrum pseudoscientists.
The best example of this Gish gallop technique is “Sex and Sensibility,” a 30 minute video that argues male and female are unreliable categories. It is written and presented by evolutionary anthropology student Forrest Valkai. Practically every sentence is riddled with information about the biology of sex, from the simple to the complex. Some points are true, and others are complete misrepresentations. There are so many points of information that it would take hours to carefully respond to each one, something we painstakingly did, which you can find here.
Forrest’s argument strategy is not much different from that of young earth creationists. Ironic, considering he is best known for debunking none other than young earth creationists." Paradox Institute
Want to read more? Click on the link and see why Forrest has distorted science to prop-up pseudo-science...
www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/sex-biology-and-the-gish-gallop
Or stay and learn false science.
So I'm a trans woman and you just completely shattered my entire world view...
And then built it back up...
Now I feel better than ever! Like, I started crying when you debunked that we all start off as female because that one lie has given me so much comfort over the years, but by the end I was crying even harder because I felt validated and seen and cared about! I've felt the edge of a knife on my wrist and I never want anyone to have to go through that too. I didn't have the words, but you did...
Thank you!!
Edit: grammar & spelling. Sorry, teary-eyed typing isn't my strong suit.
LOL!
@@lev3432 you've been trolling and spouting transphobic nonsense in this comment section for weeks. find a hobby. touch some grass.
@@RichConnerGMN Even worse, you scrolled through the whole comment section to see my comments. Talk about touching grass. Factual information is not "transphobic nonsense", there is no such thing as transphobic. Putting a label to something to avoid debate is a short way to prove how wrong it really is.
@@lev3432 now you two can go touch grass together
Who wouldn't care for people, we as a species need to care more about ourselves. the suicide rates are concerning but future generations will accept non-straight people and there will be less suicide rates.In most countries at least cuz china russia and north corea don't have bright future
"Facts don't care about your feelings!"
"Well. here are the facts..."
"That makes me feel weird."
Yes, the facts are that less than 98% of people are intersex. Everyone else is plain old XX or XY WITH the usual genetic pathways within those chromosomes that determine biological sex. He throws a bunch of junk at you at 90mph about all the myriad ways in which life has evolved to procreate in OTHER species of animals to muddy the waters. People that have no concept of what he's saying, no matter what their ideology, will find whatever piques their ears to hold onto to use it as justification for whatever.
Trans activism has latched onto the intersex card as if it somehow has anything to do with trans issues. Sex isn't a "spectrum". Period. Spectrum implies a gradient. DSDs account for around 1.7% of the population. The rest of us are just plain old chocolate or vanilla. He makes it sound like we're all this walking patchwork where EVERYONE is some random combination of male and female. In terms of physical, biological sex, you can't be 63% male and 37% female or 62% male and 38% female. It doesn't work that way. True hermaphroditism (the one he talked about where someone develops both gonadal tissues) is actually one of the rarest forms of DSDs. Barely over 500 cases have been documented in history.
He basically muddied the waters to appease and pander to the LGBTQIA+ community.
I'm a flaming liberal lefty snowflake and though he spits plenty of legit facts in this video, he does it in a way that obscures the overall point some people are making, which is, yes, these things exist, but how common are they? Approximately 1 in 1000 people are born with more than 5 fingers or toes but we don't go around saying that the number of fingers or toes humans have is a "spectrum". No. Humans have 10 fingers and 10 toes. If you have more or less you're an anomaly. An outlier. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with you or that you're "less" human. It's just a statistical thing. Same with biological sex.
Also, none of it says anything about whether children with no obvious physical health issues should be taking a powerful drug like Lupron, with no long term studies on its effects on children, for an off label purpose or be taking cross-sex hormones or getting mastectomies as early as 16? They're _treating_ something that isn't supposed to be a disorder.
If being trans isn't a disorder, then why does it need to be _treated_ with hormones and surgeries like a disorder? And if gender is a social construct (meaning for all intents and purposes it has no substantial existence) and sex is a spectrum, then why the need to change sex? Why the need for a listing for gender dysphoria in the DSM-V?
If you have to throw a bunch of shit out there all at once to disable the mental circuits of far right bigots, then fine. I don't think it's gonna change their minds anyway, honestly. But for those of us that don't have those prejudices but DO feel that there are genuine concerns about the influence of trans ideology on best practices, particularly for children - when therapists aren't even _allowed_ to do exhaustive explorative therapy before making decisions about whether to go forward with transition because simple basic therapy is considered "conversion" therapy - that's a problem. If a child comes to a therapist insisting that they're trans and all the therapist is allowed to do is say "Yay! You're so brave!" and get you started transitioning, without considering the child's psychological history, possible comorbidities like ptsd, anxiety, depression, autism, OCD, etc., _that's_ a problem. It defies best practices.
So stop acting like everything is honky dory and we're all just a happy rainbow of joy. Gender dysphoria causes people a shit ton of mental pain, anguish, and suffering, and it is becoming increasingly clear that transition does not always fix it. And considering that medical transition involves completely irreversible physical changes to an individual, it's kind of important to get a handle on what exactly gender dysphoria is and if some people may benefit from alternative treatments that _aren't_ conversion therapy but also aren't transition. Not all gender dysphoria us as cut and dried as, "I have a female body but I feel like I should be male." And vice versa. It can be all over the place. It can fluctuate to where a person feels one way one day and another the next and it can be confusing and frustrating and simply transitioning doesn't fix it. Because the dysphoria can still fluctuate back after transitioning.
More research is needed on all of this. There have been some studies like he pointed out that looked at a few subtle differences between trans people's brains. But those studies haven't officially nailed down that YES, this is exactly why gender dysphoria exists and why some people are trans. Not even close. It's just a tiny step in the direction of trying to figure this out. A crap ton of research is still needed to really settle it.
@@spacevspitch4028 I’ll concede three points; 1. sex and gender are different things and the language we use is destructively negligent to that fact. 2. The treatment of gender dysphoria being treated as a biomedical issue and not a psychosocial issue is inappropriate and most likely politically motivated. 3. Trans people have nothing in common with the LGB community, but have latched themselves to that movement because…naughty bits, I guess?
My comment was simple; most people who say things like “facts don’t care about your feelings” wouldn’t know the first thing about the facts they claim to subscribe to. Nothing in this video changes the fact that civil rights should have nothing to do with whether the individual has an advanced understanding of anatomy and physiology.
@@BionicLatino Totally agree with your facts/feelings assessment. When Ben Shapiro and his ilk spout off with that nonsense, it elicits a well deserved giant facepalm from most of us I think. But there's some middle ground on some of these issues that the far right AND pie-in-the-sky trans activists alike don't want to acknowledge.
And true, sex and gender are not the same thing, but gender is often implied to be some intrinsic inherent quality of a person's identity with phrases like, "born in the wrong body." Subtle differences in brain anatomy may eventually be shown to explain this feeling that some have but again, that research is still in its infant stages.
We just don't want the politics of any focus group having an influence on which research is allowed to be done and what results are allowed to be published.
@@spacevspitch4028 I just subscribe to the belief that if a person says they feel like a lady, and want us to refer to them as a lady, and want to construct their lives as if they were a lady; it neither breaks my bone nor picks my pocket to oblige them. But I’ll lift up their pretty pretty dress to screen that lady for prostrate cancer when it’s time to do so.
But I also can’t force a person to be comfortable around that person if they just can’t get there for whatever reason. And that’s fine. Nowhere is it written that the world is supposed to be blue skies and buttercups for everyone. But not being a jerk about we engage people we don’t understand it isn’t too much to ask.
I think gender identity, like so many other things, is a niche concern that shouldn’t be interesting to anyone outside of academia, but has been weaponized to seem threatening and irreverent to our social identity. So while I, as a healthcare provider, am skeptical of the current conversation in both the clinical and political arena; and the blurry line between them, I am often mindful of erring on the side of Kant vs. utilitarianism because gatekeeping leaves too many people at the mercy of systems that don’t serve them well.
@@BionicLatino I'm really not much different in day to day life. If someone, male or female, is clearly presenting as the opposite sex and wants to go by a certain name and opposite sex pronouns, I'm gonna respect that. Even if they're clearly the sex that they are. Occasionally a trans person can pass to the point that it's uncanny. But our nature driven ability to tag individuals by sex for procreation can be fairly uncanny itself. I don't mean "passing" should become the end all be all for a trans person. That can become a whole new source of mental anguish itself. It's just that reading sex from subtle features in a person's face, body structure, movements, etc, is instinctual and automatic. No matter how many times I properly refer to a person respectfully as him or her or by their chosen female or male name, when I look at them, even at their best attempts to pass, the reading of their birth sex is automatic and proceeds everything else. And that should be ok. Because biology exists.
I’ve always been pretty liberal about this stuff, but I have to be honest, I never knew any of the biology. This video makes it all so clear and obvious. Thank you!
Same with me. I go with "Live and let live," and "what consenting adults do in private is not my business." And this topic is like any other, things are far more complicated than you can imagine. People who think they have the simple answer are just simply wrong. I hate to bring up Dunning-Kruger, but it fits in so many places that it's universal. I have a deep expertise in a certain field, based on education, experience, and just hard work, but so many people think my field is so much more simple than it is, that they consider themselves experts, when they demonstrate to me fundamental misunderstandings so egregious, that it amazes me they can function in it at all.
@@wirenutt57 you can't "live and let live" when It comes to sex. It's a fact, not an opinion or way of life etc
@@whereweregoingwedontneedey4374 Have you even watched the video, let alone understood anything that‘s being said?
@@christianosminroden7878 Of course I have. And as usual with this sort of thing, it is an opinion piece.
@@whereweregoingwedontneedey4374 Scientific knowledge doesn‘t become an „opinion“ just because it doesn’t resonate with your gut feeling. That’s just not how it works. But go ahead, feel free to demonstrate which of his 233 scientific sources he misrepresented, or how those are flawed themselves (and somehow passed peer review nevertheless).
I'm super in love with you ;;
But also, grateful for this information. You see, I'm from Mexico and I work with women and children affected by domestic violence, and of course this type of violence is also part of the gender violence we see everyday.
I have seen people, not numbers nor statistics, people, with faces and names, suffering emotionally and mentally just for being themselves, it pains me so badly, as I can identify with these feelings of not being accepted.
Arguing with other people about how they are wrong and just hurting people with their nonsense is my everyday routine. And this kind of content is what I'm always looking for.
But what I love the most about your videos is that your love and kindness for humanity comes first always.
It makes me happy ❤
He's wonderful, isn't he? And thank you for doing your very difficult job.
ps do you think he'd go out with both of us?
Take-aways: gay men are more masculine and DO get you started on plant biology
Nothing more masculine than liking men i guess
I used to know some very butch hairy fairies
@@bimbom3745 yeah, Spartans used to get so used to sleeping with guys that when they got married their wives would cut their hair and wear masculine clothes because of how uncomfortable they got around women. They were so manly they lost their appetite for women
I really wanted to like this comment but like... I feel like I'd be breaking internet law by turning a 69 into a 70
This is quite obvious if one simply counts the number of men in a given relationship:
2 men > 1 man
As such, gay men are more masculine. Because more men. Just simple maths, really.
When people ask me why Im gay I now tell them
" because a region of my brain is more massive and masculine than the average male" 😂
And then when they say what do you mean I direct them to your video LOL
CAUSE MY VEINS ARE COURSING WITH TESTOSTERONE!!!!
*_flex_*
Love it!!!!! 😂🤣😃🤣😂
this is brilliant
Going to show this video to my gay son, as well as, your comment. Both, a great resource for a young gay man who faces the Texas public education system.
That’s a power move 😂
As a father who has a trans son i can only give a heartfelt thank you for this video.
I hope to be able to share this with my son.
And good for you being supportive and accepting of your son :)
Your daughter?
@@lev3432 based on the description, I would assume we are talking about someone that was born "female" - at least in terms of biological sex, though, as Forrest has demonstrated, even that is not binary - but is transitioning to male, hence trans son. To call that person his daughter at this point would be incorrect (and possibly upsetting to the individual, since it ignores their own feelings).
@@geraintwd That pretty much sums it up.
@@lev3432 I thought of this child as my daughter for many years, our memories and emotions sometimes seem to have a momentum all of their own.
However, at one point, i realised that how I thought about him ( or anyone else for that matter) has no bearing, nor should it, on how they think about it themselves.
I love my son
I feel like the Doki Doki Panic music that plays during the references is just there to mock the people who thought he didn't have any sources.
And I'm OK with it.
it's probably the work of reading all the sources haunting him, but this works too :p
He cherry picks data and commits a lot of logical fallacies, so he's wrong on a lot of counts but acted smart enough to trick a lot of average IQ people into thinking of him as a professional.
@@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438want to actually back up you claim? What data did he cherry pick and what logical fallacies did he commit? You’re making the claim, so go ahead and be specific
@@arkparkp4185 He just sorted from "newest" and saw people calling disagreeing with Forrest and was inspired to write up a comment of his own 😭
I hope I'm not the only one who laughed his ass off when you cited like 200+ papers that backed your claims. Lol as a starting scientist, this made my day
The Mario 2 music certainly helped.
You're definitely not the only one!! I started cackling so loud I scared my cat lol
That's how you do it when you're a biology God.
233. Yeah. Around 20 I was like "oh this is gonna be long" and just before it hit 200 I was "OKAY HOLD UP I GOTTA TELL A FRIEND THIS."
I mean, when you already wrote papers in uni and continue to write them in your profession, it probably was just like any other day to make something like this with so many sources.
Thank you so much for this, all of this, but especially just that tiny bit where you included asexuals. I’m asexual and my entire life I’ve been treated like I’m broken or somehow deficient. To hear someone who actually knows their science, who is informed and passionate about helping to normalize LGBT+ experiences as being just one of the many marvels of biology doing it’s own thing, it feels so nice to just… feel like I’m normal too. Thank you.
Nobody chooses who they fall in love with or not. It took me a long time to figure out my own bisexuality, due to the lack of information available. All that variety needs to be included in students' curriculum at as early a grade as possible, along with informative sex ed (instead of "don't").
Can I ask you how it feels to be asexual? Do you still crave a relationship, love and commitment? Do you still masturbate? I know these are very intimate questions... but we're all anonymous here, aren't we?
This isn't random curiosity, I swear. I'm just trying to figure out if I fit the slot too, my brain confuses me...
@@weareallbornmad410 Okay, lol, yes those are some intimate questions, but yeah, it’s pretty anon here so I don’t mind. Keep in mind though, I’m just one tiny lil asexual, and so I’m not indicative of the entire experience. For instance, plenty of asexuals do masturbate, though I personally don’t. I’ve never felt the need to, but for some it’s a nice physical release, and it feels good, even if it’s not something you wanna do with other people. I still like the idea of having a partner, of love and commitment, but it looks different from the typical thing most expect. I don’t like being touched much and I don’t like kissing. I would love to have a person who is ‘mine’, but with my comfort levels I know it’s hard to find someone who can be happy with those limits. Some asexuals are also aromantic, and they aren’t interested in having a relationship at all, they don’t have romantic interest as well as sexual interest. It’s a huge spectrum. There are also aro/aces that do have sex to make a partner happy, if it’s something they’re comfortable with, even if they don’t feel a sexual urge themselves. I compare it to eating a food that you’re okay with, but that you’d never order on your own. You don’t dislike it, and you’re not being forced to eat it, but you’re just kinda ‘meh’ about it. It’s important to keep that in mind, and never let yourself be pushed into an encounter involving stuff you aren’t comfortable with. You need to be able to say no and stop if you reach a boundary. Otherwise, being asexual is just… there? Bad explanation, I know! I just know that my whole life I watched other people fall in love and want sex and do all that kissing stuff and I was like “why would you want to do that? I can’t see the appeal!”, and after I did try kissing I was like “yeah, this is… boring. I would rather be playing a video game or something!”
I hope that helps a bit?? Feel free to ask anything else lol
@@Ryanookami @Ryanookami @Ryanookami @Ryanookami being neurodivergent ADHD/ASD, my high school peers speculated that I was ace - between masking, conditioning and plain lack of experience, I still don't have a conclusive answer to that. If you don't mind my asking, was there ever a defining moment or characteristic that cemented your certainty?
I love this, also HOLY SHIT YOU JOINED UA-cam 14 YEARS AGO?? I don’t think I’ve ever seen an account dating back that far
This is probably the best video I’ve ever seen explaining this topic. I’m currently expecting my first child and as a cis gendered person have lived a sheltered life as far as my gender identity is concerned. But I am amazed and frankly appalled by how hung up the people around me are on whether my baby will be a boy or girl. I’m sharing this with everyone I know in hopes of spreading this valuable knowledge. Thank you for making this video!
and this is why i’m not gonna have a gender reveal party and stuff, it’s just so unnecessary
@@EmmaJohnsonShenanigans Science-Channel and Atheist-UA-camr are Siblings,
but many dont realize it, which is the one-and-only Reason to keep the Overlap low.
Ya'all, please be more involved... A-Channel literally fight against LGBT-Hate
and Science-Denial and yet thats just 2/100 Things they do.
This is the most cogent (and, IMHO, fascinating) 30 minutes I have ever heard on this topic. Thanks, Forrest!
This video here references so many things, i dont reven know to recommend a specific video so i just gesture in the direction of Some More News and Popculture Detective
Except you’re human and none of his studies examine human biology. Sorry.
Sorry, nothing, @Jarden. Note that right at the beginning of this video, Forrest, the biologist, points out that we are animals and follow the same laws of nature as every other animal. Try starting again from the beginning.
The biology of a fruitfly is irrelevant to human biology. All those fun facts about random species and he didn't include a single Mammalian species. Someone with a slight understanding of reality can easily guess why that is.
@@kennitawatson7883 Hate to break it to you, even a biologist can be full of 💩
As a trans person who spent 2 years working for the National Suicide Prevention Hotline (and 4 additional years working for another line), I'm so glad that you added the aspect of mental health in this. It's really, really important for people to show others kindness. So this means a lot to me, even just on that area of mental health.
Also, I have a brain MRI in two days, so I'm kinda actually curious about if/how that crap will come out lol.
Did you find out if the MRI matched your transitioned gender?
@@yvainestelmack7196 ended up not being something they specifically looked for in the imaging. Would have been fun to have had that looked into, but alas, not something I was able to find out. That said, my neurologist has never expressed any doubt at all about my gender identity, so that has to count for something. Thank you for being interested and following up with me for sure, though.
Got to the end bit... now crying even more than I alredy was. Im a 17 year old queer trans person, and even though my family excepts my sexuality (but not gender), I can't even begin to imagine myself having a happy and healthy life. Seing things like this helps, just knowing that theres people who don't hate who I am makes me want to die a lot less than I used to.
You. Are. Valid.
Oh honey it’s generic to say but I promise it gets so much better. You’ll find a happy and healthy life if it takes you kicking and screaming, I swear.
Here, here! I salute you as you are.
Hang in there buddy
I feel you, my close family is luckily accepting of what I am and who I love, still want to die though.
A deconstructing ex-vangelical here. This is the video I've been looking for to explain gender, transgender biology, and sex. Thank you!!
Just so you know, the video and author is wrong in many ways, and uses his own political views to explain things that could be explained in a scientific matter if he choose to do so.
@@jorisbongartz what are you even talking about dude, he posted over 200 sources of scientific discussions. Not to mention discussion on things like gender is not a discussion of science but a social one. Parts of this video are litterally impossible to break down on a biological standpoint. and in terms of scientific facts especially with things like animal reproduction, he nailed on the head.
@@jorisbongartz on one side, we have a video from a biologist who gave lots of explanations and lots of scientific sources.
On the other hand, we have a random person commenting on internet saying he's wrong, without sources to back it up, without explanations and without even saying what parts are wrong.
For now, one of the 2 is more convincing than the other.
@@jorisbongartz LMFAO, get out of your conservative echo chamber. This guy has hundreds of sources. You have fascism and Trumpism, and people confirming your beliefs by telling you everything you already believe is true, and that you don't need to go looking for the truth. You've already won, right? Every single reputable scientist is wrong, and fucking Crowder is the one with the real truth! ...right?
Hate to break it to you... But they are wrong, and so are you.
@@Tcrror practically every single reputable scientist/biologist uses a binary sex model. Only fringe ideologues don't support it because of political reasons, mot scientific ones. Also his 100's of sources are about all kinds of things, the vast majority i agree with. His sources about sex not being binary a flimsy at best, which is understandable because virtually nobody in the scientific community has any problem with the binary sex model. You have to be on the level of a flat earther to question it.
Also, i am a lefty liberal. Thankfully not an American one.
As a bi cis male I really appreciate Forrests inclusivity and that we are all just humans and shit like gender really doesnt matter in the larger scale.
@costlymussel3914I agree, trans men shouldn't be in the woman's room
@costlymussel3914 I agree, but they are men
"trans men are men"
Lol such nonsense. Meanwhile, in reality, there are physiological differences between men and women....this is the whole point of having seperate restrooms and sports. Like duh. You all drift further and further from reality every day lol.
I appreciate it too, but at the same time time, women who care about the genitalia of the people in their vicinity are not "bigotted." We need to find a balance where we both give trans people respect and dignity while not minimizing the rights of people with vaginas to have to access to penis-free spaces.
@costlymussel3914 I agree with you but think your phrasing is pointlessly mean and disrespectful to trans people.
Ultimately, I think this problem stems from people thinking names are definitions by nature without realizing that WE are the ones who made those names, not nature. If we had four or five different words for boys along the gender spectrum from the start but only one or two along the girl's side, would those people be arguing that girls aren't as fluid? If people stepped out of those pre-defined boundaries, would they be arguing against it and that there are only four kinds of boy? Probably, I think, because they fail to realize that names are a result of language. All we want to do is identify things. I remember seeing something about bones, how we discovered a really long bone and gave it a name, then we discovered a really short one and gave it a different name, and then there was a third length and gave it another name. Then as we found more, scientists argued about where to draw the line from one bone to another, but it turns out they were all literally the same bone, just at different lengths. Nature doesn't give a fuck what we decide to call stuff, it's going to work the same no matter what vibrations come out of your throat when you reference it.
Where else do you think we should discard boundaries? How about traffic laws? How about Civil Rights? How about testimony in court? Why should people be confined within the ever so narrow confines of the truth?
There is nothing so cavalier as demanding a wall be pulled down when you never ask yourself why people spent the time, thought, effort and expense to put it there in the first place.
@@johnwilkes4671 Well, gender norms were put in place almost exclusively by marketing and, from there, societal pressure. Meanwhile laws exist as... Well laws to protect people. These are completely different issues
Well we see solid "gender norms" among the Hottentot. Is that because of "marketing"??? Or do those folks have such norms because they are exceedingly useful to a people living so close to the earth?
And how about menstration? Pregnancy? Menopause? Are these created by marketing or are they biological reality?
@@johnwilkes4671 Do you know the differences between gender and sex? Sex is binary (even though it really isn't, there are other chromosomal differences such as intersex) whereas gender is more expressive and fluid and not tied to biology. We can keep having a conversation about this, but I have to be honest, I don't expect you to listen or care or consider that transgender literally effects no one other than the person who is transgender and, despite years of biological research, deny that people identifying as different genders is fine and normal. If I'm wrong, on the other hand, and you are actually asking questions that you want answered and are trying to understand the transgender community, I'm far from the person to ask. I'm sure there are transgender subreddits you can direct your questions to
I did have my brain scanned actually! TO subsidize the cost of a CAT scan in the early 00s, my dad sold the scan to science. My brain helped with the studies that show trans people have brains conforming to our identities.
Hunh, that's really cool. Thanks for helping the progress of science.
You can sell your brain scan to science?!
@@anselmschueler you can sell your body to science, yeah! Look at different kinds of paid clinical trials in your area!
No you don't. You don't have a ladybrain.
You're not female.
Dude, that is neat!
I’m a trans guy living in an unsupportive household and every so often I’ll come back to this video to bring me some semblance of sanity. Thank you so much - stuff like this is exactly why I’m majoring in anthropology. Humans are so incredibly diverse, and I’ll never understand why some people are so threatened by that - I think it’s beautiful!
Allow me to illuminate you somewhat. This ideology is an attack against reality. It's attempting to destabilise the fundamentals of biology. There are those with the capacity to be pregnant and there are those with the capacity to impregnate. What other options are there? Where's the supposed spectrum?
I hope you’re doing okay, but I’m glad this video gives you some comfort. Also, I love that sentiment, our diversity in every aspect *is* beautiful
I'm nonbinary and majoring in Anth as well
Good luck on your studies Anth is a fascinating subject and am extremely broad field. I'm either going into medical Anthropology or Archaeology
Im sorry but we are not THAT diverse. We have only 2 genders. Yes we have many race but thats not the type of diversity you are talking about.
I just dont understand why I have too be forced too live in your delusions.
The over 200 citations to the tune of Mario music had me crying. Glorious!
I’m building a list of videos to show my parents when they eventually find out I’m trans. This is such an excellently thorough and deep exploration of the topic that I can help but put it at the top of that list. Thanks for the hard work you clearly put into this video 💛
Yo Mitchell, good luck when coming out(or when your parents find out). Just keep in mind that u are valid and loved, if not by your parents, then by your friends and the community. Much love
I was thinking the same thing. Have you "come out" yet? I've been trans for 3 yrs but I'm too chicken to tell my dad.
@@rat_dragon no, not quite ready yet. I’ve known for about a year and a half at this point, but I’ll probably wait until I’m out of college
@@mgpalpha as a homosexual i think i can give an advice on this- wait till u are ready and don’t force it; bad side of it is that sexuality and gender have different ways of expressions and its quite difficult to hide you are trans while smb can hide their homosexuality for all of their life; but what im saying is, dont force yourself and dont wake up with the “i have to come out so others know and yada yada yada” mindset; if you are coming out, do it for yourself. Good luck and much love
I strongly recommend TheraminTrees' video on coming out, it has great advice on what to do and not do before, during and after coming out.
People tend to say “the number of LGBT people has increased, so they’re being influenced to be gay” but I mean look at a graph for the number of left handed people in the world over the years. It didn’t increase because people were influenced to be left handed, it increased because it became acceptable to be left handed (still can’t believe it used to not be acceptable) so like, there ya go lol
As a lefty this is not talked about as much thank youu kinda human, my Aunt was forced to be Right handed and I'm one of the first in my family who is left handed and accepted.
@@muxpotatoes7258 yeah I had a teacher who was left handed, and she would talk about how in school if she wrote with her left hand her wrists would be slapped with rulers (the wooden kind) and was forced to write right handed.
@@mr.duck1248 I think the avoidance and punishment towards using left hands came from some religon based idea of it being taboo. It still happens a lot in some developing countries. One of the dumbest superstitions humans have come up with imo.
@@smellycat57 Not justifying the prejudice or mistreatment of south-paws but to go along with what you said, in some cultures (especially those that don’t typically use silverware/cutlery during meal times) specific hands are used for eating and the opposite one is used for “toilet duties”. I did not grow up in said cultures so I could be wrong but from what I understand in some South Asian/Indian cultures the right hand is used to transfer food from plate to mouth while the left hand is used to wipe ya bum. I could understand the strict adherence to the practice especially pre-modern medicine/modern science before germ theory was fully developed. Nowadays the lefty taboo seems unjustified and rooted in cultural traditions and lack of proper access to plastic sporks. Even with proper access, it’s almost a given the provided sporks will undoubtedly be 100% right-handed unfortunately 😐
I was turned from a lefty to a righty, and I had two other friends who was the same. The funny thing was that, my dad told my mom to leave me as it is was young but my mom didn't listen and changed me. The more funnier thing is that now, I am a hybrid. Lefty at some, righty at some, ambidextrous at some.
as someone who is intersex and had forced sex assignment as a child, I thank you so much for this video. I have a case of mosaism that has caused SRY to be inserted on an x chromosome.
Damn that's really rare I'm sorry
damn they didn't scan your chromosomes when you were born, what were they thinking
@@kkonti1113 that technology wasn't available when I was born. Computers were still huge machines then.
@@tone618 not as rare as you think. people who are born intersex sometimes never know. in fact most of the time never know. it often takes someone who was there at their birth to tell them or a doctor later in life brining it up. cause often it goes off record so NOBODY knows it was ever a thing. and this is what pisses me off more than anything else. phobes SUPPORT this ideal genuinely doing forced sex reassignment surgery on an infant. who can't even SPEAK let alone give consent. but someone wants to do that later in life NOOOOOOOO we can't have that happening it is immoral.
@@drrenard1277 Forrest, a Teacher famous for being Compassonate, has never watched, let alone endorsed, the VIdeo listing School-Issues and Child-Endangerment that is the 3. GOP-Video of "Some More News".
I did an interview with an intersex person once, where we talked about her (she identifies as female) life experiences, myths about intersex people, helpful resources, etc...
UA-cam banned it as "sexually explicit," for having the word "sex" in "intersex" 🙃
You got to list adult content under educational so that it doesnt get removed.
You dont know how many explicit adult content is on youtube and i'm talking about alot that shows everything.
bruh
This video is absolutely fire.
I literally cried cathartic tears of joy at the point when he rolled the sources.
THIS is how you make a STRONG, VALUABLE, and PRODUCTIVE/CONSTRUCTIVE argument.
THANK YOU FORREST!
When your citations list is enough to make multiple tiktoks... 😂👌🏼
And then people STILL deny that there's any evidence
@@kyros_synergy6545 fr
@@kyros_synergy6545 the point is that he's using the science we knew from like 70 years ago to try to benefit a political agenda
@@kyros_synergy6545 You debt that humans belong to a binary sex, and cite intersex conditions as proof it isn't.
@@arendwittmar4007 you mean like his 30 minutes of factual exposure makes a total mockery of those political leaders who, over the years, would announce e,g, 'Iran has zero gays'? If not, please clarify what agenda you’re accusing him of . . . .
When I encountered my massive depression and dysphoria 7 years ago and tried to square it with my cross-dressing and other feminine compulsions, I found the information you cite at about 20 minutes in, and knowing that (specifically the BCSt being larger in men and smaller in women, and the same in trans-folk as their identified gender) really helped me overcome my enormous skepticism and accept myself. I'm very happy to see it framed with context, thank you! Trans people *need* this information as much as the cis-gendered do.
That's exactly what I was thinking and I absolutely believe the environmental aspects as well. Now, this'll sound a bit off-topic but it isn't. I was diagnosed at age 8 with P-ANCA (a form of kidney vasculitis not related to my previous diagnoses of Type 1 Diabetes when I was 2.5) and I received chemotherapy because of it. I wholeheartedly believe this could've changed my whole outlook on gender and orientation. I started feeling "different" at that same age I was diagnosed. At 14 I started "changing" if you understand my meaning here. This was the time I started to feel extremely unsure about orientation. I tried dressing like a girl because I started "looking like one". I tried acting like a girl but that ended with me feeling bad. I tried this because where I live, it's extremely religious. My parents and brother aren't but my dad was raised in an abusive catholic "school" which I can guarantee at least imprinted a way of thinking - with what he went through, it had to. At 15 I realized how I felt had a name - gender dysphoria, or transgender. 2.5 months ago I turned 18...I'm now a "legal adult". Sadly, I'm too chicken to come out to anyone including my family. Online and in my school, people know me as "Matt" but I can't gather up the courage to come out to my family. I know my bro and mom suspect it but my dad has no idea. He's never done this before but recently, he's been calling me "woman", "girl", "daughter". I've told him not to call me that but he doesn't understand. My mom's had trans and gay friends when she was young, her sister is lesbian and she even had a friend who she watched transition from female to male and she referred to "her" as him. My brother, my best and only friend, is more-or-less bisexual. I know they'll except me, it's my dad I'm worried about. I've literally put my life on hold - I don't want him to have to go through the "grief" many parents have when their child transitions, especially since his very religious mom passed away recently but I can't do like this much longer. I have plans; paleontology, robotics, digital design, acting, a band - but I can't do this without fully transitioning. What can I do?
I realize I'm confiding in a random stranger in the comment section of a biology teacher's YT channel but I must know - if you've "come out", how? I desperately need advice.
@@rat_dragon I’m not very good when it comes to people, but I’ll do my best. One thing you could try is coming out to your brother and/or mom first. Then ask them what they think you should do about your Dad. I don’t know him, so I’m unsure how he’ll react, but at least this way you’ll have some solidarity with your other family members and advice from people close to him.
Alternatively, it’s possible your mother could talk to him about you, which could work out better (not sure if you still live together, but a couple months of absence will allow heat to die down). If the person is loving, they will likely be initially uncomfortable, but over the course of minutes, hours, weeks, months, or years they learn to either accept it or tolerate it (depending on how deeply ingrained certain ideas are in their brain and how reasonable or open minded they are). You mentioned that your mother’s sister is lesbian, and your brother is bi, things like these ease the transition in his mind for you, to accept you for your identity. In my extreme case, a young man my father knew some years ago was driven to suicide because their parents didn’t allow them to transition, so he now is much more likely to be accepting towards me. A rather cold and disturbing comfort I actually don’t want, seeing that a corpse was what it took, although I should be extremely grateful that he is a kind person. Some people wouldn’t learn from even that.
@@justachilldude8426 Thank you. I'm not good with people either but I need to come out. My father is very loving - he save my life on more than one occasion. However, because he was raised by abusive Christian schools that forced their beliefs on him as a child, I'm afraid he holds on to "beliefs" unknowingly. He's very accepting with the LGBTQ+ community but makes a few mistakes with trans - he'll say "him...or her?" and I'll have to explain "if they identify as male, say he". Overall I'm grateful to have a father like him but I'll need to work extra hard with him when I come out.
How did you come out, if you have already? I've heard of the "It's a boy/it's a girl" cards and how most parents find it comical (not a joke, just easier to accept with an informal "letter" of sorts). Maybe I should try that? My brother's active duty in the army and in a different state as of now but he should be coming home in a few months, then leaving to go to South Korea. Do I tell him immediately after he comes home or wait until everyone's settled? I'm afraid with everything going on that it'll be overlooked or too stressful.
Thanks for your help, friend. It's greatly appreciated :)
Thats cool. I have no problem with cross dressers. Just give me a heads up on whats in store.
Nothing worse than reaching for a twinkie and grabbin a ding dong instead. Ya know?
So you're not going with the big swap over?
@@siggyretburns7523 that’s fair
Ik this wasn't focussed on homosexuality, but I have to say even just those passing comments about homosexuality's genetic component and existing on a spectrum were. Extremely comforting, and this was the first time I've found those concepts comforting and not being used as a 'haha gotcha your sexuality is invalid' moment from homophobes. This whole video was extremely interesting, well-presented, and helped me understand a lot more about humanity, so thank you!
Science-Channel and Atheist-UA-camr are Siblings,
but many dont realize it, which is the one-and-only Reason to keep the Overlap low.
Ya'all, please be more involved... A-Channel literally fight against LGBT-Hate
and Science-Denial and yet thats just 2/100 Things they do.
@@slevinchannel7589 I have no idea what you attempting to say
I'm not homosexual, but as someone who isn't cis coming back to this video I feel the same way
What I don't understand is how someone can discuss the biology of gender while simultaneously arguing that gender is a social construct.
@@reubenmanzo2054because gender as an idea (specifically things like gender roles, ex. girls wear high heels) is a social construct, but gender as a biological term is a way of finding and determining the specific way ones brain is formed and acts.
makes sense?
I learned more from this video that simply, "scratches the surface" about sex and gender, than I learned in my AP Biology class... Thank you so much. All the love for people like you who make this content❤
I feel ashamed; the school system taught me a simple watered down version of what you’re explaining. Because of that, we have an entire generation that shames people for not being “default settings” smh 🤦♂️.
DO WHAT FEELS BEST FOR YOU!!!!!
In defense of the school system, pretty much every topic taught in school, even through high school, is extremely watered down because of how complicated literally everything gets. Hell, even from elementary school to high school, we go from just "science class" to having different classes for biology, chemistry, physics, or even more depending on the school. And getting into college subdivides those topics even more. If schools tried to teach us everything exactly as it is in all of its ludicrous complexity I'm pretty sure our already frazzled teenage brains would just explode.
Would be nice if more schools went out of their way to acknowledge that they're teaching the watered down simple version and that the reality is way more complicated with tons more exceptions, though.
AND IT TOOK HALF AN HOUR TO EXPLAIN IT. SCHOOLS *NEEED* TO STOP VIEWING KIDS AS SUB-HUMAN
Well all he basically said is that biological non-defaults occur due to the complex nature of biology... no one is denying that, it's a question of whether you consider it an abnormality and therefore a medical condition that requires treatment, or not.
Plus, he confuses gndr and sex, the TG community at large argues against any argument from biology, claiming that gndr is purely a social construct, so he is at odds with them as well..
@@KangMinseok What do transgender people argue against biology? There is no science that says transgender people are not who they are, there's a reason why the term, pseudoscience, exists. Also, Gender Dysphoria is a very real thing, the only treatment there is currently is HRT and potentially surgeries to change an individuals genitalia. My girlfriend is transgender, she's had her HRT and surgeries, everything works, she's a woman.
@@nicqolisstanton6784 Both ContraPoints and the World Health Organization argue that TG is not a biological/a medical condition. It's good that your partner gets help for her disorder, though that doesn't make them a "woman" per the commonly used definition of the term. You wouldn't suddenly call a disabled person "abled" only because they got a wheelchair to move around now.
I really love the use of SMB2 music during the citations because Birdy
The neuroscience bit really helped me understand, especially using the example of a man literally being trapped in a woman’s body. Incredible video with great insight that I’ll be using for the rest of my life.
Great video, but wrong at 1:22. Humans are not just Animals. Humans have become something-else. Thats fact. Great Video though; i emailed it to my Family instantly.
@@slevinchannel7589 you are both right and wrong, yes we have developed true language which is one of few things that separate us from animals, but strictly biologically we are animals and almost every part of our biology can be related to almost any other animal
@@therealme1362 eh idk If we can say that as what is a true language? One that’s only spoken by humans? Cuz that’s just hypocritical as we can understand human languages but not other animal’s languages. We know species like orca have languages and cultures that change from region to region and pod to pod yet we don’t actually understand what they’re saying. We’re like dogs, can recognise sounds & actions that follow them but we don’t actually understand the language being spoken so I don’t think it’s fair to say that their languages aren’t true languages just because us humans can’t understand them & translate them yet, we may be able to in the future but who knows!
@@therealme1362 to me the only thing that separates our languages to other very complex animal languages is that we can write & read our spoken languages when other animals can’t.
@@kateemily I think that's what they meant. I suppose they could've said true communication instead but we are the only species to effectively use all forms of communication.
As a straight male with few lgbt friends, this is definitely an eye opener. I knew about lgbt in other animals but wasn't too sure on gender identity and "feeling like the opposite sex". This video taught me a lot on this topic and has been the clearest in making me understand the whole concept so much better.
Also, the whole list of citations made me very excited for some reason 😂
there are no transgender animals.
and in some groups of animals, same sex behavior is not the same as being gay in a human. in insects it could be accidental, or a mating strategy where one male just uses another to carry is sperm to a female
You can’t “feel like a sex”, that you are not. That’s impossible😌
@@leahjames6870 Why not? You obviously *FEEL* the presence of some divine being in your life and yet you yourself are not one. Just say that you don't understand trans folks or that they make you uncomfortable. Those are easily relatable things and no one would judge you to much for it, but when you invoke some higher power condemning others is when people get mad. It's ok not to understand, it's ok to be squicked out, but it's not ok to be a bigot!
Edit: for anyone else, this person did infact invoke "gOd" under one of my comments and now im hunting around for other comments of theirs. Sorry for the confusion and happy scrolling! 😘
The LGB is based on sexuality and biological truth. The "T" is based on "genderism". Not based in biological reality. It's opposite to biological reality.
@@kathyb1011 for starters, your comment is being hidden. I can only see it because I previously commented on this thread.
Secondly: how can you accept that being gay is a biological imperative while being trans is not?? You're almost there my guy! Almost...
You have no idea how much it hurt to change my opinion on this... I did, but damn, dude. The cognitive dissonance was no joke. I really fought hard against this, but now I have a different understanding and compassion for trans people.
that really is wonderful
You're being duped. All these fun facts about non mammals is irrelevant to mammals and the biology of humans. Sex is binary in all mammals, including humans. DSDs are not a 3rd sex. Forrest is nothing more than an activist.
I did too. I was pretty anti LGBT in general, until I was honest with my own bisexuality. And I was against trans people until I started to realize that trans people are real and no amount of rhetoric will change. Trans people are real.
Character development! A person spends their whole life learning. It’s okay to have been wrong, being wrong isn’t the end it simply gives you the chance to develop further.
Thanks for your compassion and understanding, people like me constantly live with the threat that our rights are going to be taken away. I live in Texas, the government has said they’re looking into ways to ban transition amongst children AND adults and that they do not support any confirmation whatsoever.
i think i speak for all trans people when i say: thank you.
This should be watched by everyone. Period.
Correct. So that we can see exactly what crap people can come up with, to show exactly how qualifications often mean nothing. This is especially true if it comes from a trans activist with nothing to say but pure crap.
@@natepoodle9132can you actually be specific with the claims your trying to make? It’s easy to just call something “crap” without stating why you think that’s the case. Tell me why you think it’s crap and support your claim with sufficient evidence. Doubt you even watched the first 10 minutes of the video
@@arkparkp4185 I endured all of it, thanks to 2x speed. He implied sex is not binary in humans. If you need help with/ evidence for that, then cease the conversation right now. The vast majority of what he says is irrelevant waffle. I could have finished this video in less than a minute. Possibly around the same amount of time it takes to read this comment.
@@arkparkp4185 It’s crap because he’s right human biology is complicated but where it’s wrong is when it’s used to justify saying there’s more than 2 genders. Sure we can mess with genetic code in a lab to create some intersex genders and what not but that isn’t a 3rd gender. If there’s truly a 3rd gender what is its unique characteristics and what is its reproductive purpose?
@@natepoodle9132 he doesn't imply that, he states it outright that sex is not binary in humans. It never has been.
That was a LOT of info, thank you.
"I'm a cis gender and mostly straight."
This is how I label myself too. I also believe that, if people were more open and less stigmatized, that 100% straight wouldn't be the majority.
so... ur not straight.... got it
@@beluga2342 I'm saying that most people aren't 100% straight and would come out if society didn't care about things like this. It is society that puts people in a box
@@beluga2342 cry if you must
@@ichirocharles1 no hate, but how do you know this.
Not trying to be hostile
@@Mapspalo it isn't something I know, I just speculating. Societies that were open about it, it was common to sleep with either sex.
Loved this. I am almost 60 and I am demi-sexual (which is a form of asexuality). Some of the most frustrating conversations I have had with male friends over beers is when they see an attractive women and they would ask me 'Would you do her?' My honest answer is 'I don't know.' They can't understand, she is attractive, she is female, how could I not know? Once again my honest answer is 'I don't know her.' They can't compute this. Why would I have to know her to find her attractive. Truth is that I don't, I understand that she is attractive. Truth is, I have to know her and have positive interactions with her in order to feel the urge to act on that attraction. But try explaining that to someone who gets a hard-on every time a young woman walks past him. Queue George Thorogood I Drink Alone...its better company.
I never knew the term demi-sexual. Interesting
Ayyy another aspec person! I'm asexual and have identified as such since high school. Totally get what you went through, I've tried to explain to straight friends how I just don't get sexually attracted to Anyone Ever (I don't think I'm demi, very just ace) they do not understand it. And they get confused cause I can tell when someone is like, conventionally attractive but I still don't get the f e e l i n g s. Confusing straight people is a fun thing for me sometimes :)
Wait people arnt like this!!?? I thought they forced themselves to think they wanted to have sex with them because they thought it was funny or something?? People actually get hard for that?? What!?? How you think is normal? Isn't that normal?? I feel conflicted...am I not normal then? 😥😨😫
@@amepetrie.7436 Hi there Val G, I hope we didn't stress you out with this. Yeah, finding out that most people experience genuine sexual attraction to others can be weird when you yourself are somewhere on the aromantic and/or asexual spectrum. Don't worry about 'being normal' cause what's even normal, ya know? Everyone is different and I don't think there's even such a thing as "normal." If you are unfamiliar with asexuallity and wanna learn more about it, I encourage you to check out other people's stories and do some research. There's quite a few channels on UA-cam that have incredible hosts who identify somewhere on the asexual spectrum and have a great community of followers. I personally gained a lot of self confidence when I figured I was asexual, so I really hope you don't feel alienated or anything like that. I hope you can take confidence in your identity, whatever you find that might be, and I wish you the best of luck if you choose to question your sexuality more closely
@@Creature_of_Knight ahh I already suffer from anxiety how do I live my life knowing people get TURNED ON by LOOKING AT People?? Wtheck. Do you know if it happens everyday? Do you know how it works by any chance? I've searched quite a lot on Google and UA-cam and people arnt really going into detail (probably why I never knew why it ExiSted) but you don't have to answer I know it's a lot, just trying to wrap my head around it. 😵💫😖😅
That is A LOT to take in, as someone who stopped studying biology in highschool. And it has definitely opened my eyes regarding sexuality and gender identity.
Also props to the fact that the video is super entertaining and not just informative. That said, I think I'm going to watch it again, there is so much info that one watch is definitively not enough!
Somebody send this to JK Rowling!
, and, Benny boy Shapiro.
It wouldn't change her mind.
she did made some not that clever or appreciated comment.
point is I only remember there was a comment, but not the contence of it anymore. The fuss was louder then the message.
@@kamion53 nah, she doubled down later
@@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo yeah, these people don't want their minds changed. they just turn up the volume on their own shit because they think if they're louder it makes them right.
I can't thank you enough. When you explained the "configurations" for male or female, as a nonbinary person, you helped me reassure myself and I really needed that. It's nice to know there must be something going on in my brain for me to be the way I am and that it's not a bad thing.
Maybe you are a variation. Sadly you are not a viable option for reproduction
@@alexisduarte8820 first of all why are you bringing my reproductive system into this. It's incredibly rude. Gender is a spectrum and I never mentioned my genitalia or my reproductive system at all.
@@alexisduarte8820 and? Reproduction doesn't determine someone's worth. As a society we're beyond that darwinistic nonsense.
@@alexisduarte8820 Bruh nonbinary people can reproduce
I think the most important aspect he mentioned is that science is only trying to categorize and make sense of what already exists. You exist the way you are. You don't need science to validate you, all it could do is try to understand you and why you are a certain way. But in the end, none of it really matters, you will still be you and that's always the result of your physiology and your experiences as an individual.
Damn I want like complete hour long classes from this guy
He does lectures live on TikTok. They are Epic!
I knew there was variation involved in human sex but nature is more wild than I ever imagined!
Great video, Forrest!
Oh my god I'm already in love with this. Love how you define the terms you will be using. I'm a philosopher, and I have been taught that this is very important in order to convey the message properly. Language is a form of communication. There are no "right" or "wrong" words as long as the meaning is passed through from the speaker to the listener.
So what's your stance on racial slurs then?
@@drsamuelhaydensecretgaming6749 In the case of racial slurs, the meaning you're trying to convey is hideous, and THAT'S the problem with them.
What's the difference between a philosopher and an extra large pizza? The pizza can feed a family of four!
As a non binary person who has been repeatedly invalidated in both personal and professional life, thank you for this video. It's beautiful to see someone so completely supportive and validating, while still educating!
Humans are 2 genders, they are sexual dimorphic. Meaning they are binary. Are you XXY? Doubt it.. those people have anatomical issues and are very rare. I’m sure you’re just entitled. :)
@@lev3432 Have you even watched the fucking video?
Same! I’ve been through a lot of rough stuff, but it gets easier every day especially now that I’m in the path to transition.
No, you invalidate yourself by hating your body.
@@arlaux1099 congrats and best luck to you!!!
I’m speechless exactly bc of how much there’s to say, so thank you for literally everything about this
Great video, but wrong at 1:22. Humans are not just Animals. Humans have become something-else. Thats fact. Great Video though; i emailed it to my Family instantly.
@@slevinchannel7589 What are we, then?
@@evergarden8592 Humans are Humans. Thats not quite the same as 'bigger animals', duh.
I'm surprised how this comment-section is hardly grasping what I'm saying. Oof.
@@slevinchannel7589 but like... Animals still.
I feel like denying or not understanding that gives fuel to the superiority complex so many people have
@@slevinchannel7589 Biologically Humans are classified under Kingdom Animalia
Thank you so much. I know I'm a little late but this was an amazing video to watch and attempt to grasp. I was recommended to this video by my friend who was transitioning mtf and it brings a whole new light to it. Thank you Forrest. Ps Sorry for the grammar errors.
"Imagine you are trying to win a debate, and instead of presenting your argument with relevant evidence, you gather an incredible amount of irrelevant data against your opponent’s position.
This is common with young earth creationists, who believe that the earth was created 6,000 years ago. To try and validate their beliefs, young earth creationists dump an incredible number of arguments one after the other onto the opponent, from the idea that the light coming from other stars was created in transit to make the appearance of age to the idea that radiometric dating and other objective methods of dating rocks and fossils are based on a host of incorrect assumptions (Peppe & Deino 2013). Some of these arguments seem complex (and they might be), yet they are all irrelevant, misinterpretations of the evidence, or just complete fabrications. The key is that they all take advantage of people’s ignorance.
This is known as the Gish gallop. It is a fallacy often found in pseudoscience, where you attempt to drown your opponent in a “flood of individually weak arguments” which take much energy to refute (Elsher). While it was and still is common with young earth creationists, the strategy is now being used by sex spectrum pseudoscientists.
The best example of this Gish gallop technique is “Sex and Sensibility,” a 30 minute video that argues male and female are unreliable categories. It is written and presented by evolutionary anthropology student Forrest Valkai. Practically every sentence is riddled with information about the biology of sex, from the simple to the complex. Some points are true, and others are complete misrepresentations. There are so many points of information that it would take hours to carefully respond to each one, something we painstakingly did, which you can find here.
Forrest’s argument strategy is not much different from that of young earth creationists. Ironic, considering he is best known for debunking none other than young earth creationists." Paradox Institute
Want to read more? Click on the link and see why Forrest has distorted science to prop-up pseudo-science...
www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/sex-biology-and-the-gish-gallop
Or stay and learn false science.
No grammar errors at all! Just a slight error with usage - it's probably better to say 'my friend... recommended this video to me.'
You should be very proud of your English. And of your friend.
@@angelamaryquitecontrary4609 Wow, who nominated you their teacher of English? Are you a exhibitionist?
@@mephistophelean Rude.
@@angelamaryquitecontrary4609 Do you honestly think that cretins who pose as scientifically literate educators lie, not just to adults, but to kids by claiming that biology supports the trans claims that sex and gender are fluid deserve respect? Do you honestly think that people who think children are fair game in their ideological war on truth deserve respect? That they should be sexualised and encouraged to butcher themselves by claiming that they were born in the wrong bodies, do you honestly believe they deserve respect?
I suspect, looking at your name that you are one of those dangerous ideologues, and if so, you do not deserve respect.
I'm gonna send this to my dad if he tries to say basic biology when I come out as trans, thank you. He'll probably get mad about this, but he won't see me as his daughter if it's that bad anyways, I don't care if he doesn't even think I'm a good son.
Good luck from a fellow trans person!
@@garbageinferno596 Thank you, good luck to you too if you're going to come out soon too.
@@somebodylikesbacon1960 Godspeed my friend o7
I'm only out to my friends and teachers, my mom is a huge ally but my dad... Well let's say my dad is as far right on the political spectrum as infowars... So i'm waiting to come out to my parents till i have a guaranteed place to stay a while after it blows over and we can discuss. My friends are supportive tho so i'm good on that front
@@somebodylikesbacon1960 You will never be his daughter as you went down a MALE developmental pathway. You will never be a woman.
I'm sure he'll be proud seeing you inject estrogen and get breast implants and prance around as if you're one of us. I think he's looking at the end of his genetic line through you.
@@Cieln0va Not surprised so many of you have daddy issues.
i just can’t thank you enough for this. i just wish i could grasp it all and be able to verbally share your arguments on command! i guess i’ll settle with sending this video to people who need to hear your words. you are amazing sir!
What I do is tell myself "I want to be able to teach this thing to people this good" and study the video and go deeper until I can.
That's what I'm doing with Aron Ra's 50 part series 'Systematic Classification of Life', combined with 'History of Life' by Richard Cowen, 'Vertebrate Palaeontology' by Michael Benton and whatever other books and videos I can find. I will be able to explain the entire thing that well some day, no if and or buts about it!
This just made me tear up. You legit just said you want to focus on listening to people like me who are living out the science that we should be focusing on. Obviously, that's a low scale, selfish version, but either way. This made me feel so seen. How remarkable
I have shared this video so many times. I love Forest for this. THANK YOU!!
This video probably single handedly made me reevaluate a lot of the positions I had on sex and gender. I've honestly been on the fence for years about a lot of the gender/sex spectrum arguments. I, for the longest time, believed that transgenderism was the result of a form of body dysmorphia, a mental condition, because that's what the science seemed to point to. But knowing, for sure, that there are biological explanations for all of these occurrences supports my even earlier beliefs that there must be some kind of biological reason for this, and finding out that it's not just the result of mental illness really makes me glad, and I am happy to be able to say for sure that my position is backed by science. Keep up the good work, Forrest. BTW if Forrest is your real name, I love it. NGL if I ever had two boys as kids I would love to name them Forest and Hunter.
It isnt the result of mental illness at all... not even remotely... if you didn't mean to imply that you thought that, please edit your comment, because right now it implies that you believe the incorrect statement that transgender people are that way due to mental illness of some sort, which as this video shows, is an extremely innacurate statement.
"Gender dysphoria" is a type of body dysmorphia; it's caused by the mismatch between the brain's "map" of what the body is supposed to look like vs. the actual body layout, not the cause of it. Essentially, "being trans" typically (because not all trans people experience dysphoria or experience it in different ways) causes dysphoria because your own internal sense of what your body "should" be doesn't match with your actual physical body, which makes perfect sense if trans women have "female brains in male bodies" and vice versa for trans men.
That's why transition is the accepted treatment for gender dysphoria - it's a method to help make the physical body match the brain's expectations and bring them into alignment, thus alleviating the sense of wrongness. It's also why transition isn't a singular, binary thing. It's a process and people can transition as much or as little as they feel necessary to create that alignment. Some people are comfortable with their existing genitalia but take hormone therapies, some people have surgery, and for some people socially transitioning is sufficient. Gender exists on a broad spectrum, and there's no "right way" for anyone to express their gender identity outside of what is comfortable for them. Likewise, transition exists on a spectrum, and where people choose to stop is entirely between them and their doctors, based on what feels correct to the person in question.
@@Malkavon Even without a detailed explanation, almost anyone can experience a bit of gender dysphoria if you treat them as if they're not the gender they say they are.
If you took a cisgender male and forced them to live as a female they would inevitably feel uncomfortable in that state. It's really not impossible to comprehend that your sense of identity and how the world views you can have a profound impact on your mental state if they're not in congruence with each other.
This shattered my whole world view when I first watched it and I’m so thankful I found it, incredibly interesting!
I'm so happy you are open minded enough to understand these concepts. I makes me hopeful for humanity to see people like you change their perspective when you are finally given a chance to understand. Thank you so so much for having an interest in making the world a better place for me and all my other trans friends. It truly means the world to me
@@magma7155 Hi and thanks for commenting, really kind of you :) I think all matters would be a lot easier to deal with if we just collectively agreed that:
1) The Dunning Krueger effect is very much real and maybe some topics require more nuance than just two or three talking points and
2) The human body is just… really weird. Although we’re making advancements we still don’t understand everything about it and that’s okay.
I think this video does a great job persuading people toward empathy, it manges to be informative without being either daunting or dumbing things down and that’s quite a feat!
What was ur previous worldview?
@@magma7155 ua-cam.com/video/fEarZFdOdis/v-deo.html
It’s quite simple, actually. The reality is that many of the fundamental building blocks of societal functions are not, in fact, based on science.
This is a great video. Though I’ve considered myself supporting of LGBTQ+ through most of my adult life, I was still kinda double minded about how I feel about trans individuals. I didn’t realize how truly nuanced sex-determination is till now. Thank you
Thank you Forrest. Imagine teaching this to our youth! What an amazing and thought provoking world we would be living in!!
Just indoctrination but okay
Hoooollyyyy crap! You mean to tell me I’ve been wrong the whole time?!😳 I grew up hating on the LGBTQ PEOPLE all because I was told it’s a sin and that God don’t like them. I feel so stupid now hearing this. How little I know I feel so bad now. Thank you so much for this video and for opening my eyes about this topic and thanks to you, i now have to look at things different than what I was taught. Wow I never bother looking into science as well because I was told they don’t make any sense and they always change. After watching this video I’m gon look into science more. There’s so much I don’t know apparently and here I thought I did. gosh I’m an idiot.🤦🏾
You are not an idiot, you WERE an idiot, but now you learned and grew. Don't be angry for how you were in the past, be happy that you now know. :)
It's alright. You are not alone, I've been that way, too. Thankfully, we can grow out of our bad ideas and beliefs. Congrats to you 👍 it takes strength and effort to change your mind and admit you were wrong. Let's just keep learning to eradicate bad ideas.
Congratulations, it takes a strong will to go outside one's comfort zone in a quest to educate oneself. Good luck mate!
You aren’t an idiot. An idiot would ignore the argument. You have just been misled by idiots.
@@Matt_the_pirate according to some of my friends and family it’s a curse and weakness, but thank you for your thoughts, I feel like a little kid again relearning everything on this new journey I’m on.😅
As a trans person who has mainly looked at the social and performative aspects of gender, this was really eye-opening. Keep up the good work!
He's discussing sex. I'm sure you know full well what female means in non human animals, especially since you want to LARP as one.
Fellow trans person here to agree. I definitely enjoyed it.
@@myjessicajourney1915 You still have a sex. Why does gender identity take precedence over it?
That's what's rediculous about the folks who deride folks who say "there are more than two sexes and gender is a construct", because they don't get that that came from biologists, they they decry Bill Nye as "falling to the woke mob" 😂 these bigot cats are literally ignorant
@@blacktigerpaw1 I'm not going to contest that I have my sex assigned at birth as M and I do have a penis, but I guess you missed the rest of this video? I don't think your post is as strong of an argument as you think it is.
Lots of hearts out to you Forrest for giving us this vid. I'm a trans man and had a confusing first conversation with a endocrinologist so a peer bro of mine sent me a link to your vid. And though I feel like my head's exploding right now, I'm also kinda thankful to have more understanding what's going on. That really made my day better. THANK YOU man!
I can't speak to the IQ level of your endocrinologist but this guy committed a few logical fallacies, cherry picked data and promoted one subjective straw man argument that is actually emotional abuse and gas lighting.
Also, you're not a man, if you can't successfully reproduce as a man. It's probably your personality.
if this video had 8 billion views, world peace would be achieved
Nah, just human extinction. What he calls natural variability is fine but if it's disabling our ability to successfully reproduce, he will lie and say it isn't a congenital birth defect that is a harmful mutation.
So it's autism, fashion trends, the evil force of marketing, and Petro chemicals confusing gene expression in human bodies, and his bad arguments commiting logical fallacies.
I appreciate this more than I thought I would. I grew up in a religious environment with a cap of limitation on gender, sex, and biology. Thank you for knowledge that helps me explain who I am to those who will never understand.
Check out Aron Ra's 50 part series 'Systematic Classification of Life', it can put together alot about evolution. Nature is wild and bizzare.
This is without any equivocation the best explanation I have ever seen of this complexity. The ability to communicate science is under rated and exceptionally necessary. Well done.
… now _that_ was a well cited rant! 👏 Also very educational, thank you for that.
I wish I could like this more. I found you on TikTok first. Then UA-cam. I come to listen each Pride now.
I was never homophobic but I did see it as wierd that people could change there gender but now I understand why it's actually totally normal Thanks
you love to see the character development
Character development
Still weird. understandable but weird.
@@raylevi5343 Hey trans man here! Just want to validate that it is absolutely easy to see things we aren't used to as weird when we don't have much experience with it! Being raised with the overly-simplified ideology that there are only two, rigid, genital-based genders makes it very difficult to see transgender people as normal or natural, right? I know this myself because I experienced intense pain throughout my life as a result. From my earliest memories, I remember thinking "why can't I just feel like a girl like my friends do? why can't I just be a tomboy? why does trying to be a girl (even a very masculine girl) make me feel so unhappy and uncomfortable in my own skin?" I believe deeply in feminism, in the belief that women are amazing and powerful and deserving of equality... And yet, I just could not feel like a woman. No matter what I did, no matter how much I tried to blend in and pretend I was a woman, no matter how much my body changed though puberty and over time... I was miserable. It took all the courage I could possibly come up with to sit with the truth that my brain and body were screaming that something was going on, that I was pushing myself into deeper and deeper depression by trying to force myself into a category that didn't quite fit.
I'm almost 30 years old, and starting testosterone injections has been the first time in my life that I felt peace in my body. Naming myself a name that fits better makes me feel like myself for the first time. Hearing people call me "he" makes me feel known for the first time. I feel human. I feel me. I feel so much better!!!
All of the time I spent trying to tell myself I was lying or making it up or too broken or too "crazy" to be a man because being transgender was just "too weird".... All of that time I'm now healing from the scars of it. I'm healing from the trauma and the times I tried to hurt myself to "just fit in" just "not be weird".
I'm so much better being myself. And yes, it IS weird to start accepting something that is so unfamiliar, that is so stigmatized, that is so hidden from our cultural knowledge and society.
But I'd much rather accept that my body, like ALL bodies, is complex. And yeah, complexity is weird. Humans are weird. Animals are weird. Biology is weird.
But that's what makes it so interesting too. It's not JUST weird to be different from other people, to have variations. It's perfectly normal too :) I hope my story can help you or other people find some humanity in my weirdness. We are all in this life together, so we may as well try to be kind to one another. Take care
@@redrooster3420 No, you misunderstood. It's not a new/unfamiliar concept to me at all.
However, from the experiences/examples/theories I've seen, I still think there's a gap of logic between "understandable" and "normal". It falls somewhere between there.