Even the bible agrees, it was those with no knowledge that heard a talking snake say ‘break the one rule, what’s the worst that can happen’ and said ‘sounds legit’.
Exactly why I was used for my body as the only granddaughter for years without realizing anything weird was going on. Then told that any actions by guys was my fault which didn’t help at all.
My 5 year old knows what periods are like, a pad, a tampon and that she will have one. I’ve even explained more or less the biological what/why. Not a problem. Periods are not sexual. 💁🏼♀️
I wasn't taught about my period and I got it at 11 while at a sleepover, and she was younger than me. We both had no idea. I started crying and she was crying because we thought I was dying. So she had to call her mum down and she hugged me and said okay I'm gonna bring you home, you're not dying, you just need to talk to your mum. Not teaching periods till 12 is absolutely ridiculous
The idea of not talking to girls about menstruation is mind boggling. My mom started her period when she was eight, right at the end of November. She cried to herself at night, praying to God that she would at least survive until Christmas so she didn't ruin it for her family. She thought she was going to die, and kept it to herself. I started my period at 10. Had my mom not had that experience, I likely would have gone the same route and assumed I was going to die. But because that affected her so much, she made sure to talk to me about it starting when I was seven. That shit sticks with her, and she has drilled it into my siblings that we need to talk about this stuff. If anything, we need to start talking to girls at a YOUNGER age, not older. I don't think my mom's experience was a unique one. I'm sure it has happened to so many girls because of how shitty our education is about this stuff here in Utah. I'm sure it's just as bad in other places, but I can only speak for mine here.
You know, I think Stephen King was onto something with Carrie and the trauma she went through at the hands of her religious zealot of a mother being a huge part of the reason she unlocks the telekinetic abilities that resulted in a massacre...
also really REALLY telling of the already-internalized body shame that it sounds like your mother was experiencing at this age, because even as a kid who grew up in an evangelical family i still would have immediately told my parents if I was unexpectedly bleeding from an orifice. and to add to your comment, i think we need to tell kids about menstruation earlier regardless of gender because it just demystifies and normalizes it. saying a kid is too young to know about menstruation is like saying they’re too young to know about urinating. it’s literally just a bodily function.
@@saggguy7 This. I seriously appreciate my parents for being so open about everything, especially with my brothers. They are all my biggest supporters with my endometriosis. I am huge in the belief that we should be teaching kids about their own bodies, and other bodies at a young age. Obviously age appropriate, and building on it as they grow. If we just teach kids, no one will have to feel shame in their body and its natural functions.
Seriously. My kids (a boy and a girl) have known what a period was (at a very basic sense, at least enough to know it was a normal part of life) since they were probably 3 or 4. I also let my daughter read a (tween-focused) book on puberty when she was 8, just so she is ready. I can't understand withholding this information from our kids!
The not talking about menstruation thing really bothers me. I have endometriosis, and ever since my first period I have been in extreme, excruciating pain. Bleeding cups of blood. And I thought it was normal because nobody told me. Because there's such a taboo.
im a queer student at suu and this week has been insane. i cant imagine why they chose jeffrey holland as the speaker, especially as our q center (center for queer students) just opened.
As a recent graduate from SUU, I can affirm that the Holland debacle is comfortably in line with SUU's culture of moronic administrative decisions. It's actually a pretty good school though, aside from wanting to be diet BYU.
Let's not forget Nelson's conference talk in 1995(?) where, over the pulpit, he clarified that our requirement to have love for all men shouldn't be confused with interracial marriage. Never apologized for it. Was on institute books till like 2013. Think it's still in some manuals, and is still the churches official stance on the "issue" of interracial marriage. Very Ghandi-King-Mandela-esque.
Wow. The menstruation talk would have been about 2 years too late for me at that point. But that's right in line with wanting ultimate control over bodies they deem future property and calling it "safety".
Full stop I think we need sex ed in middle school and there shouldn't be a permission slip - it should be mandatory. I went to school with both girls who were pregnant before high school and girls from a fundamentalist group that encourages not telling them about sex until the day before their wedding.
@Ohhi Tehan yeah no, you need to understand your body, yourself better, the importance of concent, coercion, and that without your absolute enthusiastic yes, it's a no, and anything that says you need to submit for the sake of an ideal or someone else, is rape. Church authors literally said no may not always mean no. We need to learn actual sex ed without the selibacy, with understanding the consequences, and our temporary and permanent options. A lot of us don't know or understand what we're getting into till it's too late, and our families suddenly become unsafe.
Holland, as I understand it, got his Ph.D. at Yale. My guess is that his tenure as a General Authority has poisoned his mind against any secular thinking. Yale certainly isn’t that way. I would be interested to know his thoughts and opinions about Mark Twain now, if he even remembers who Twain was. But then if we look at other powerful MEN who have served in prominent government positions OVER us to wit, Steve Mnuchin, Secretary of the Treasury, Wilbur Ross, secretary of the Treasurer, Ross the former labor secretary, our lying Supreme Court Justice, Brett Kavanagh, as well as the abominable Ron DeSantis, Governor of Florida, among others, are all Yale graduates, as were both Bush Presidents. What a shame for such a fine university.
The Nelson Mandela Peace Prize being awarded to Russell Nelson reminds me of on Parks and Rec when the Indiana Organization for Women names Ron Swanson “Woman of the Year.” 😂
30:00 ish is so accurate. If you create an institution where sexual expression is bad and forbidden, you won't get less horny people, you'll get very horny people with weird kinks becuase they're trying to condition themselves not to be horny with certain stuff and instead that stuff just gets turned horny instead.
I grew up with Byron Wiscombe as a counselor in my bishopric and he did my first temple recommend interview. I remember feeling guilty for years because I lied about whether I was keeping the law of chastity. I don’t care anymore about that but I definitely wouldn’t feel guilty anymore if I did care after finding out about everything he’s done. It is crazy to find out that someone that everyone in my area looked up to as a spiritual leader could have been doing such a horrible thing. Btw he was serving in the bishopric during everything he was doing.
27:14 I literally started my period right after I turned 11. Guess they should have let me freak out about it for a year before explaining why I was hurting and bleeding, yeah? Oh, and my best friend of the same age started like a month before me.
Maybe the students can all walk in AFTER JRH speaks. That way, nobody is yelling or jeering, but they do send the message that they are not here for JRH🤡
Im so sorry that happened to your grandmother, it’s a terrible thing about the older generations that they were largely raised in silence about their bodies and minds. I just kept thinking about my sister starting hers in the middle of a test and having the knowledge and wherewithal to tell her teacher that she needed to go to the nurse; and then about how my sister and I both had intense childhood anxiety and that my sister has problems with blood. That would’ve been humiliating and terrifying for her and I can’t imagine doing that to a child for the sake of ‘protection’. Children are conditioned to view blood as injury, and it’s not safe for afab kids to not know.
Commenting before finishing the video, so maybe you mention this, but: Dixie State is now Utah Tech. Also, I went to SUU. It's the wildest mix of super mormon community but big queer population. Especially because it's huge for creative arts (Shakespeare festival is there)
I believe it was Mark Twain who said if the phrase “and it came to pass” was omitted from the Book of Mormon, it would have been a pamphlet, rather than a “book” lol
Mr Nelson, champion of human rights and systemic change, went to kenya and said, “We preach tithing to the poor people of the world because the poor people of the world have had cycles of poverty, generation after generation. That same poverty continues from one generation to another, until people pay their tithing.”
23:18 SUCH a good reference and an applicable one because that scene is literally a prime example of "creating a problem out of nothing in order to sell the solution" which is all mormonism is (the reference is to a musical called "the music man" in which a conartist convinces an entire town that the new pool hall is corrupting their kids and the only solution is to buy instruments and outfits from him and turn the town into a marching band. He knows nothing about instruments or how to play them and seduces the local piano teacher in order to keep his secret)
@@ZelphOntheShelf literally marian and harold are the epitome of gaslight gatekeep girlboss and mansplain manipulate manwhore which is why they're a good couple because if they were with anybody else on this planet their poor partner would lose their mind
I'm so happy I joined your Patreon. You are both awesome and are truly a source of the light of knowledge in our community! I admire the way you both still check your own assumptions and continue to progress and seek understanding. Also, Fashion show fan vibes and slow blink in sync always 😊
I got my period at 11, my grandma got it at 9. My mother and aunt had been very open about their periods and how it was natural and a part of their life so I wasn't shocked in the slightest. I told them, put on a pad and went to a school function. I can only imagine how terrifying it would have been to start heavily bleeding at that age without having any idea what was going on.
suu is sort of a weird demographic because cedar city is super conservative but our student body has a ton of queer and liberal students. especially because we have the shakespeake theater festival haha
Being ‘woke’ means waking up to systems of power that have operated for centuries, and trying to fix it, realizing you can’t fix it and tearing it down in solidarity with your community. (Also the term came from the Black community.)
Great episode! When it comes to the hypocrisy of Nielsen's Peace Prize, the awful tweets of the church journalist, or Holland and his musket, I don't know who wins!!?? Thanks for bringing this news, it's due diligence.
As to the Ghost Writer Nelson - am I the only who noticed years ago the bust of the Ghost Writer in the Disney Haunted Mansion Library is the spitting image of Nelson? You guys got it so right. What a “Spooky Mormon Hell Dream”
In the 58 years of my existence this general conference is the ONLY one I’ve ever looked forward to. I’m curious about how the SEC thing will be addressed. I look forward to MORE LIES!!!
@@ZelphOntheShelf thanks for answering. You’re right of course, I’m so glad to be gone from that toxicity. Ya’ll are awesome by the way. I love your channel.
""Woke" is a term that originated from African American Vernacular English (AAVE) and refers to being socially and politically aware, particularly regarding issues related to social justice, inequality, and discrimination. In this context, someone who is "woke" is perceived as being awake to and actively engaged in understanding and advocating for various forms of social and political change, especially those related to race, gender, sexuality, and other marginalized or underrepresented groups. However, the term has evolved over time and is sometimes used in a more critical or sarcastic manner to describe individuals who are perceived as overly self-righteous or performative in their displays of social awareness, without necessarily taking meaningful action to address the issues they claim to be concerned about. It's important to note that the interpretation and usage of the term can vary widely, and it has been the subject of ongoing discussions and debates about its appropriateness and implications." -chatgbt
I got my period when I was 10 It is most certainly not anything sexual or adult. Also we didn’t learn about it at school until the end of year six, nearly a year after I started. (But that was circa ‘09 so idk if things are different now)
There's actually a sane reason for the name for Dixie College, same with the nearby Dixie National Forest. Brigham Young sent people down there with the hopes of growing Cotton and Tobacco, just like the south. This failed, but the name "Utah's Dixie" for southwest Utah stuck.
One would think that as a prophet, Brigham would have known for sure whether or not cotton and tobacco would grow there. No need to experiment with people's lives when you have revelation, after all!
What is so taboo about menstruation? Fr. I talk about it in front of men without even flinching, and the men I'm around are educated about it and know it's a reality for half the population. So? I wish I knew about it when I was young so I didn't hate my body when I went through puberty.
I lived in the Bible belt for 19 years, and, when the bathroom bills started getting pushed, I explained to tons of people how those laws actually endanger children. I am a cis woman, who has nothing but nephews, and I explained that bathroom bills would mean that when I am alone with my nephews, then I am required to send them to the men's rooms by themselves. I also explained that by sending them without proper adult supervision that puts them in danger, and that, if I am present, it greatly lowers the risk of children like them. People attempted to object, and claim that it's "different for children", and I clarified, "Not according to the laws that are being passed." I am not a man, and they are not female. They claim to protect children, while endangering children, even if they are not the ones who are the danger. Also, the fact that adults think that children are so aware of sex, inuendo, and subtlety is laughable. i watched Ace Ventura: Pet Detective when it came out on VHS, in June of 1994. I was 5 years old then. I had no idea that there was sexual humor in the movie. Also, my parents honestly answered my questions about sex and where babies came from, when i was a child. When I re-watched the movie when I was older (in my teens), I was shocked at all the sexual humor, because it completely went over my head, as a child. My father even said, "Well, why did you think that it was so funny?" I said, "Because Jim Carrey made silly faces, and behaved obnoxiously." I was five, and I missed the point entirely. I turned out fine, and so will your children. Also, to prove that i wasn't lied to about anything, growing up, the first time that I witnessed my mother dealing with menstruation, i was about three. It was scary looking, because I was in the bathroom with her, and saw her bleeding. I asked if she was okay, and she explained that this is something that women deal with when they reach a certain age. I was able to accept that at about age three. When I got older, she explained things more to me, and provided me with the American Girl Body Book (around age 8 or 9), and I fully understood it before they went over puberty in public school (grade 5, when I was 10, in a conservative part of the Bible belt). This is biology, not sex. Oh, and my father mentions that his younger sister got her period early (at age 8), in the '50s, when they attended Catholic school, and he often says that it's a good thing that my grandfather was home, because if he had been alone with her, he would have thought that she was dying. Information doesn't hurt anyone. Oh, and I was a bit of a daddy's girl (who probably has autism), and I felt zero discomfort talking to my father about pads, tampons, underwire, etc (God, bless him). In fact, I tease him now, that I developed late, and no boys were interested in me, but i have four unplanned nephews who arrived, while never having so much as a pregnancy scare, myself, and I joke that he should have been more worried about my brothers, than with me. I took care of myself. i have zero desire to be a mother. Finally, I was raised Christian. Granted, Episcopalian, and we are the Christians that other Christians (i.e. evangelicals) claim, are, "not Christian". It's cool, they aren't responsible for where, when, why, how, etc. I end up.. All are worthy of God (the universe, or whatever you prefer) end up. Love is love, and the details don't matter.
Just want to leave a comment to clear something up. SUU was never Dixie State. SUU is in Cedar City which is a college town during the school year and the Shakespeare Festival in the summer. SUU is my alma mater and it flabbergasts me that they picked Holland to speak at graduation.
I was still working on leaving the church when the peace prize thing happened. And my institute teacher had us all read the article and report on what we learned. I was sitting there as a gay member of the church enjoying my “equal rights”. I was so fucking pissed
We literally call our emotional brain the mammalial brain and then forget that other mammals experience what we experience too. And then don't see the constructs.
My mum never taught me about periods, puberty etc. She handed me a book about puberty and refused to answer any questions about it. When I got my first period at 14 I freaked out. I didn't know what it was, thought I was dying and was crying a lot. My mum laughed at me for not knowing (and that's when I got given the book). I had to work out pads and tampons myself. My parents are religious but not Mormon
Lmaooo it makes me so, SO queerly overjoyed to know that I, a trans non binary guy named Holland, have sullied Jeffrey Holland’s name in this way. While I didn’t choose my name because of him (duh), it makes me absolutely overjoyed to know that we trans fuckers have even defiled his NAMEEEEE
LMAO, awarding the guy for "weeding out racism" in the Mormon church has the same energy as that time people fell over themselves singing Pope Francis' praises for not outright saying gay people should be put to death. Y'all need higher standards.
Reading that Mark Twain quote about the book of mormon and oh dear so true! I was a mormon and never liked the book and they never use the bible. Im reading now the bible and wow amazing, love it
Making period talk illegal?! I recall the vicar who founded the Samaritans did so in part because he attended the funeral of a 13 year old girl who killed herself since she got her period and had no idea what it was.
I think a few things can be true at the same time. I don't like banning most people from speaking at college campuses. At the same time, I 100% support students expressing their free thought and Free Speech in signing petitions to have their voices be heard. We all know it would never happen, though it would be excellent for BYU to have a Trans person speak. Of course, BYU would block most any person from the lgbtq+ world. These old relics and dinosaurs of the past are fast becoming extinct, and they don't know what to do about it about it. Their old rusty antique "muskets" don't stand a chance.
I think when a college has someone on campus to speak, that person is kind of being given some of that college’s prestige, so I think it’s valid for student to deem someone not worthy of their university’s prestige.
@@ZelphOntheShelf funny how the left in my time the 70's was fighting for Free Speech for everyone, but Now your fighting for only your views ,that's becoming just like the LDS church .
Holland has unlimited opportunities to speak publicly and freely. He could go out right now on the sidewalk next to the church office building and start yelling and someone would cover it. He does not deserve to have the SUU commencement as a platform and the fact that students don’t think he is deserving is not an attack on his free speech.
i stg all of these people saying “trans people are coming for your children” all have skeletons in their closet. like matt walsh with that creepy video where he defends actual child groomers and says “consent increasingly means nothing because we’ve expanded it so much”
In Iowa, they have come for trans kids, outlawing transitioning healthcare, dead-naming kids and disallowing them to go to a restroom other than one that corresponds with the sex on their birth certificate... This bill are being ghost-written by outside groups like "Mom's For Liberty" and others who are sending millions to lobby lawmakers across the nation!
They definitely chose Holland to speak partly because he’s a local big person, my family is from there and my grandma dated him once when they were in college 🥲🥲🥲
To the water point, I'm aware this is a month old but look into water use with fracking. It can never be considered clean again once used in that way. It is a significant useage in the west but so are golf courses.
I saw on Facebook the news of the new President or some such of BYU? I was very disturbed by the comments about how much people were hoping he would get rid of all the "wokeness" on campus. Openly showing how much they hate the LGBTQ+ community.
Dixie was named Dixie because the early pioneers were sent to St George to grow cotton. The name was changed to Utah Tech University. SUU use to be called SUSC- Southern Utah State College. Holland is born and raised from St George and that is one of the reason SUU chose him. He is considered a local boy. Also, SUU is 70% LDS and they are appealing to that group. MSP had an excellent live podcast on it yesterday. One on the panel gave suggestions of 100 LDS women who could be the speaker.
When I was in 5th grade (10 years old), in NJ in the 1950’s there was a class for girls and we learned about menstruation. It can begin between the ages of 8 and 17!
That's where my mind went too. Sadism could certainly be a facet, but fear and the need to have total control that was born from that fear are the reasons Margaret White did that to her daughter. I believe the same thing is true of anyone in real life who refuses to acknowledge natural processes. Religion uses fear tactics to mess up even those who have no negative worldly experiences to feed into it.
Hey Sam, do you think the drag queen propaganda could take a foothold in the UK given the tradition of Christmas panto there? I am genuinely baffled as to how we got here.
When you don’t know things, that does NOT protect you, it actually makes you more vulnerable to predators!
Even the bible agrees, it was those with no knowledge that heard a talking snake say ‘break the one rule, what’s the worst that can happen’ and said ‘sounds legit’.
Exactly why I was used for my body as the only granddaughter for years without realizing anything weird was going on. Then told that any actions by guys was my fault which didn’t help at all.
My 5 year old knows what periods are like, a pad, a tampon and that she will have one. I’ve even explained more or less the biological what/why. Not a problem. Periods are not sexual. 💁🏼♀️
I wasn't taught about my period and I got it at 11 while at a sleepover, and she was younger than me. We both had no idea. I started crying and she was crying because we thought I was dying. So she had to call her mum down and she hugged me and said okay I'm gonna bring you home, you're not dying, you just need to talk to your mum. Not teaching periods till 12 is absolutely ridiculous
The idea of not talking to girls about menstruation is mind boggling. My mom started her period when she was eight, right at the end of November. She cried to herself at night, praying to God that she would at least survive until Christmas so she didn't ruin it for her family. She thought she was going to die, and kept it to herself. I started my period at 10. Had my mom not had that experience, I likely would have gone the same route and assumed I was going to die. But because that affected her so much, she made sure to talk to me about it starting when I was seven. That shit sticks with her, and she has drilled it into my siblings that we need to talk about this stuff. If anything, we need to start talking to girls at a YOUNGER age, not older. I don't think my mom's experience was a unique one. I'm sure it has happened to so many girls because of how shitty our education is about this stuff here in Utah. I'm sure it's just as bad in other places, but I can only speak for mine here.
You know, I think Stephen King was onto something with Carrie and the trauma she went through at the hands of her religious zealot of a mother being a huge part of the reason she unlocks the telekinetic abilities that resulted in a massacre...
also really REALLY telling of the already-internalized body shame that it sounds like your mother was experiencing at this age, because even as a kid who grew up in an evangelical family i still would have immediately told my parents if I was unexpectedly bleeding from an orifice.
and to add to your comment, i think we need to tell kids about menstruation earlier regardless of gender because it just demystifies and normalizes it. saying a kid is too young to know about menstruation is like saying they’re too young to know about urinating. it’s literally just a bodily function.
@@saggguy7 This. I seriously appreciate my parents for being so open about everything, especially with my brothers. They are all my biggest supporters with my endometriosis. I am huge in the belief that we should be teaching kids about their own bodies, and other bodies at a young age. Obviously age appropriate, and building on it as they grow. If we just teach kids, no one will have to feel shame in their body and its natural functions.
That’s so awful 😢
Seriously. My kids (a boy and a girl) have known what a period was (at a very basic sense, at least enough to know it was a normal part of life) since they were probably 3 or 4. I also let my daughter read a (tween-focused) book on puberty when she was 8, just so she is ready. I can't understand withholding this information from our kids!
The not talking about menstruation thing really bothers me. I have endometriosis, and ever since my first period I have been in extreme, excruciating pain. Bleeding cups of blood. And I thought it was normal because nobody told me. Because there's such a taboo.
Ugh I’m so sorry! Endometriosis sounds so so awful :/
im a queer student at suu and this week has been insane. i cant imagine why they chose jeffrey holland as the speaker, especially as our q center (center for queer students) just opened.
I hope I'm wrong but maybe that's WHY they did it...
It's so insensitive of them.
I know right?? My husband is graduating and I have to sit through Jeff’s talk. I signed the potation by the way! Fingers frickin crossed!
Thanks y'all from a SUU student who was on the panel last night on mormon stories!
I saw that, and you were great Hannah. Keep flying those rainbow flags proud and strong!
As a recent graduate from SUU, I can affirm that the Holland debacle is comfortably in line with SUU's culture of moronic administrative decisions.
It's actually a pretty good school though, aside from wanting to be diet BYU.
Let's not forget Nelson's conference talk in 1995(?) where, over the pulpit, he clarified that our requirement to have love for all men shouldn't be confused with interracial marriage.
Never apologized for it. Was on institute books till like 2013. Think it's still in some manuals, and is still the churches official stance on the "issue" of interracial marriage.
Very Ghandi-King-Mandela-esque.
Wow. The menstruation talk would have been about 2 years too late for me at that point. But that's right in line with wanting ultimate control over bodies they deem future property and calling it "safety".
Full stop I think we need sex ed in middle school and there shouldn't be a permission slip - it should be mandatory. I went to school with both girls who were pregnant before high school and girls from a fundamentalist group that encourages not telling them about sex until the day before their wedding.
Right? Some people get it from age 8, but go off weirdos.
@Ohhi Tehan yeah no, you need to understand your body, yourself better, the importance of concent, coercion, and that without your absolute enthusiastic yes, it's a no, and anything that says you need to submit for the sake of an ideal or someone else, is rape.
Church authors literally said no may not always mean no.
We need to learn actual sex ed without the selibacy, with understanding the consequences, and our temporary and permanent options.
A lot of us don't know or understand what we're getting into till it's too late, and our families suddenly become unsafe.
So much yes! I was proud and excited when I got mine. And that was all due to being prepped beforehand. So I wasn’t scared when I did start my period.
Mark Twain, an absolute arsonist when it comes to pop culture burns and roasts
Samuel Clemens lived literally down river from Nauvoo and would have been aware of Joseph Smith and the Mormons at that time.
@@timnewman1172 that must have been horrible
Holland, as I understand it, got his Ph.D. at Yale. My guess is that his tenure as a General Authority has poisoned his mind against any secular thinking. Yale certainly isn’t that way. I would be interested to know his thoughts and opinions about Mark Twain now, if he even remembers who Twain was. But then if we look at other powerful MEN who have served in prominent government positions OVER us to wit, Steve Mnuchin, Secretary of the Treasury, Wilbur Ross, secretary of the Treasurer, Ross the former labor secretary, our lying Supreme Court Justice, Brett Kavanagh, as well as the abominable Ron DeSantis, Governor of Florida, among others, are all Yale graduates, as were both Bush Presidents. What a shame for such a fine university.
The Nelson Mandela Peace Prize being awarded to Russell Nelson reminds me of on Parks and Rec when the Indiana Organization for Women names Ron Swanson “Woman of the Year.” 😂
30:00 ish is so accurate. If you create an institution where sexual expression is bad and forbidden, you won't get less horny people, you'll get very horny people with weird kinks becuase they're trying to condition themselves not to be horny with certain stuff and instead that stuff just gets turned horny instead.
NOT THAT BEING ME 😂
That brilliant journalist interviewing Bethany Mandel is Briahna Joy Gray and she has a great podcast called Bad Faith which I highly recommend.
I grew up with Byron Wiscombe as a counselor in my bishopric and he did my first temple recommend interview. I remember feeling guilty for years because I lied about whether I was keeping the law of chastity. I don’t care anymore about that but I definitely wouldn’t feel guilty anymore if I did care after finding out about everything he’s done. It is crazy to find out that someone that everyone in my area looked up to as a spiritual leader could have been doing such a horrible thing. Btw he was serving in the bishopric during everything he was doing.
holy shit!
27:14 I literally started my period right after I turned 11. Guess they should have let me freak out about it for a year before explaining why I was hurting and bleeding, yeah? Oh, and my best friend of the same age started like a month before me.
Maybe the students can all walk in AFTER JRH speaks. That way, nobody is yelling or jeering, but they do send the message that they are not here for JRH🤡
You guys are so delightful. Witty and smart, and so comfortable in front of the camera. Really enjoy your channel. 😊
My grandmother started her period at age 9. She thought she was dying.
Im so sorry that happened to your grandmother, it’s a terrible thing about the older generations that they were largely raised in silence about their bodies and minds. I just kept thinking about my sister starting hers in the middle of a test and having the knowledge and wherewithal to tell her teacher that she needed to go to the nurse; and then about how my sister and I both had intense childhood anxiety and that my sister has problems with blood. That would’ve been humiliating and terrifying for her and I can’t imagine doing that to a child for the sake of ‘protection’. Children are conditioned to view blood as injury, and it’s not safe for afab kids to not know.
Commenting before finishing the video, so maybe you mention this, but: Dixie State is now Utah Tech.
Also, I went to SUU. It's the wildest mix of super mormon community but big queer population. Especially because it's huge for creative arts (Shakespeare festival is there)
It really is, I'm in a club at SUU and there's almost an equal amount of LGBTQ and LDS. It's wack
What's horribly ironic is that the father of the Colorado shooter who said "we don't do gay, we're mormon" did porn ahaha
I believe it was Mark Twain who said if the phrase “and it came to pass” was omitted from the Book of Mormon, it would have been a pamphlet, rather than a “book” lol
Tanner's Holland impression has me on the floor hahaha
Mr Nelson, champion of human rights and systemic change, went to kenya and said, “We preach tithing to the poor people of the world because the poor people of the world have had cycles of poverty, generation after generation. That same poverty continues from one generation to another, until people pay their tithing.”
Loving the implication at 19:23 that Paddington is, in fact, a threat and we should all be very afraid
23:18 SUCH a good reference and an applicable one because that scene is literally a prime example of "creating a problem out of nothing in order to sell the solution" which is all mormonism is
(the reference is to a musical called "the music man" in which a conartist convinces an entire town that the new pool hall is corrupting their kids and the only solution is to buy instruments and outfits from him and turn the town into a marching band. He knows nothing about instruments or how to play them and seduces the local piano teacher in order to keep his secret)
we love a good music man reference!
@@ZelphOntheShelf literally marian and harold are the epitome of gaslight gatekeep girlboss and mansplain manipulate manwhore which is why they're a good couple because if they were with anybody else on this planet their poor partner would lose their mind
@@ZelphOntheShelf Monorail!
I'm so happy I joined your Patreon. You are both awesome and are truly a source of the light of knowledge in our community!
I admire the way you both still check your own assumptions and continue to progress and seek understanding.
Also, Fashion show fan vibes and slow blink in sync always 😊
okay before i start, impeccable vibes, you two are truly serving
🥰🥰😂👏👏👏💃🏾 Y’all are the best. Greetings from Northern Ireland
I got my period at 11, my grandma got it at 9. My mother and aunt had been very open about their periods and how it was natural and a part of their life so I wasn't shocked in the slightest. I told them, put on a pad and went to a school function. I can only imagine how terrifying it would have been to start heavily bleeding at that age without having any idea what was going on.
Trying to get Russell m Nelson a peace award is one of the most ridiculous things the church has ever done 🤦🏻♀🤦🏻♀🤦🏻♀
suu is sort of a weird demographic because cedar city is super conservative but our student body has a ton of queer and liberal students. especially because we have the shakespeake theater festival haha
The barriers of bad news as I look at the adorable bear wearing a bucket hat in the portrait behind them 😂 I love it.
Mark Twain also famously hated Jane Austen
Oooh tea!
Being ‘woke’ means waking up to systems of power that have operated for centuries, and trying to fix it, realizing you can’t fix it and tearing it down in solidarity with your community. (Also the term came from the Black community.)
And…. The BYU graduate and Mormon dentist murders /poisons the mother of his 6 children. Another crazy 😜 Mormon!!
my neices friend (they both go to SUU) started that first petition actually! hes a really cool dude from what i hear.
loved the vibe reveal at the beginning
The editing for this one is on point
Ashamed of my school. Would love to hear your thoughts on his speech.
That intro was everything. Will you please keep doing that?
Great episode! When it comes to the hypocrisy of Nielsen's Peace Prize, the awful tweets of the church journalist, or Holland and his musket, I don't know who wins!!??
Thanks for bringing this news, it's due diligence.
As to the Ghost Writer Nelson - am I the only who noticed years ago the bust of the Ghost Writer in the Disney Haunted Mansion Library is the spitting image of Nelson? You guys got it so right. What a “Spooky Mormon Hell Dream”
Could jeffery r holland even pass a literature class at SUU? It remains to be seen
23:18 Unexpected but welcome, spontaneous MUSIC MAN reference.
In the 58 years of my existence this general conference is the ONLY one I’ve ever looked forward to. I’m curious about how the SEC thing will be addressed. I look forward to MORE LIES!!!
bet it doesn’t get mentioned!
@@ZelphOntheShelf thanks for answering. You’re right of course, I’m so glad to be gone from that toxicity. Ya’ll are awesome by the way. I love your channel.
""Woke" is a term that originated from African American Vernacular English (AAVE) and refers to being socially and politically aware, particularly regarding issues related to social justice, inequality, and discrimination. In this context, someone who is "woke" is perceived as being awake to and actively engaged in understanding and advocating for various forms of social and political change, especially those related to race, gender, sexuality, and other marginalized or underrepresented groups.
However, the term has evolved over time and is sometimes used in a more critical or sarcastic manner to describe individuals who are perceived as overly self-righteous or performative in their displays of social awareness, without necessarily taking meaningful action to address the issues they claim to be concerned about.
It's important to note that the interpretation and usage of the term can vary widely, and it has been the subject of ongoing discussions and debates about its appropriateness and implications." -chatgbt
Oh and the vibes are outstanding. 😁
I got my period when I was 10
It is most certainly not anything sexual or adult.
Also we didn’t learn about it at school until the end of year six, nearly a year after I started.
(But that was circa ‘09 so idk if things are different now)
Things are better in some states and countries, and worse in some. Sometimes it's just stayed the same since 2009 🤷♂️
Always a good day when I get to listen to you guys!
There's actually a sane reason for the name for Dixie College, same with the nearby Dixie National Forest. Brigham Young sent people down there with the hopes of growing Cotton and Tobacco, just like the south. This failed, but the name "Utah's Dixie" for southwest Utah stuck.
ooh thanks for the background info!
One would think that as a prophet, Brigham would have known for sure whether or not cotton and tobacco would grow there. No need to experiment with people's lives when you have revelation, after all!
Okay I hope the vibe reveal becomes a regular thing, because that was the best.
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What is so taboo about menstruation? Fr. I talk about it in front of men without even flinching, and the men I'm around are educated about it and know it's a reality for half the population. So? I wish I knew about it when I was young so I didn't hate my body when I went through puberty.
You really did it! Thank you guys to much!
Nailed the vibe reveal, love it!
I lived in the Bible belt for 19 years, and, when the bathroom bills started getting pushed, I explained to tons of people how those laws actually endanger children. I am a cis woman, who has nothing but nephews, and I explained that bathroom bills would mean that when I am alone with my nephews, then I am required to send them to the men's rooms by themselves. I also explained that by sending them without proper adult supervision that puts them in danger, and that, if I am present, it greatly lowers the risk of children like them. People attempted to object, and claim that it's "different for children", and I clarified, "Not according to the laws that are being passed." I am not a man, and they are not female. They claim to protect children, while endangering children, even if they are not the ones who are the danger.
Also, the fact that adults think that children are so aware of sex, inuendo, and subtlety is laughable. i watched Ace Ventura: Pet Detective when it came out on VHS, in June of 1994. I was 5 years old then. I had no idea that there was sexual humor in the movie. Also, my parents honestly answered my questions about sex and where babies came from, when i was a child. When I re-watched the movie when I was older (in my teens), I was shocked at all the sexual humor, because it completely went over my head, as a child. My father even said, "Well, why did you think that it was so funny?" I said, "Because Jim Carrey made silly faces, and behaved obnoxiously." I was five, and I missed the point entirely. I turned out fine, and so will your children.
Also, to prove that i wasn't lied to about anything, growing up, the first time that I witnessed my mother dealing with menstruation, i was about three. It was scary looking, because I was in the bathroom with her, and saw her bleeding. I asked if she was okay, and she explained that this is something that women deal with when they reach a certain age. I was able to accept that at about age three. When I got older, she explained things more to me, and provided me with the American Girl Body Book (around age 8 or 9), and I fully understood it before they went over puberty in public school (grade 5, when I was 10, in a conservative part of the Bible belt). This is biology, not sex. Oh, and my father mentions that his younger sister got her period early (at age 8), in the '50s, when they attended Catholic school, and he often says that it's a good thing that my grandfather was home, because if he had been alone with her, he would have thought that she was dying. Information doesn't hurt anyone.
Oh, and I was a bit of a daddy's girl (who probably has autism), and I felt zero discomfort talking to my father about pads, tampons, underwire, etc (God, bless him). In fact, I tease him now, that I developed late, and no boys were interested in me, but i have four unplanned nephews who arrived, while never having so much as a pregnancy scare, myself, and I joke that he should have been more worried about my brothers, than with me. I took care of myself. i have zero desire to be a mother.
Finally, I was raised Christian. Granted, Episcopalian, and we are the Christians that other Christians (i.e. evangelicals) claim, are, "not Christian". It's cool, they aren't responsible for where, when, why, how, etc. I end up.. All are worthy of God (the universe, or whatever you prefer) end up. Love is love, and the details don't matter.
Outstanding news-channel episode, Samantha and Tanner, from start to finish. Loved it :)!
Just want to leave a comment to clear something up. SUU was never Dixie State. SUU is in Cedar City which is a college town during the school year and the Shakespeare Festival in the summer. SUU is my alma mater and it flabbergasts me that they picked Holland to speak at graduation.
thanks for the clarification!
I was still working on leaving the church when the peace prize thing happened. And my institute teacher had us all read the article and report on what we learned. I was sitting there as a gay member of the church enjoying my “equal rights”. I was so fucking pissed
You guys are so open and accepting! 😂
Thanks Jett! 💚
Hopefully ppl can sense my sarcasm!
@@DRT279 hopefully!
15:05 you can't jumpscare me with the church organ like that lol
Conservatives must have watched a different version of Carrie than me if they think hiding menstruation talk from young girls is a good idea.
Loved this. Love you guys. Am I writing this just because I've been enthralled by the slow blinking? Perhaps. Happy to be an underling nonetheless.
We're all a little insane because our society is, agreed.
We literally call our emotional brain the mammalial brain and then forget that other mammals experience what we experience too. And then don't see the constructs.
My mum never taught me about periods, puberty etc. She handed me a book about puberty and refused to answer any questions about it. When I got my first period at 14 I freaked out. I didn't know what it was, thought I was dying and was crying a lot. My mum laughed at me for not knowing (and that's when I got given the book). I had to work out pads and tampons myself. My parents are religious but not Mormon
Ugh! That sucks 🩷🩷
I really connected with the slow blinks and u guys shutting up for a hot sec. But the rest was great too.
22:38 was not expecting my precious nissan altima to be caught in the crossfire
Lmaooo it makes me so, SO queerly overjoyed to know that I, a trans non binary guy named Holland, have sullied Jeffrey Holland’s name in this way. While I didn’t choose my name because of him (duh), it makes me absolutely overjoyed to know that we trans fuckers have even defiled his NAMEEEEE
SULLY ON, SOLDIER ⚡️⚡️⚡️
You picked a wonderful name! I love that for you and I love that for Jeff bc fuck that guy y’know?
A wise person can change their mind.... A fool never does
QUEEN & KING OF THE MILLENNIAL EXMORMONS 👑🙏🏼
WE IDENTIFY MORE AS CUSPS
LMAO, awarding the guy for "weeding out racism" in the Mormon church has the same energy as that time people fell over themselves singing Pope Francis' praises for not outright saying gay people should be put to death. Y'all need higher standards.
Opening with big vibes. 10/10
Reading that Mark Twain quote about the book of mormon and oh dear so true! I was a mormon and never liked the book and they never use the bible. Im reading now the bible and wow amazing, love it
Don't even have to watch this video, the intro by itself was enough for a like!
Making period talk illegal?! I recall the vicar who founded the Samaritans did so in part because he attended the funeral of a 13 year old girl who killed herself since she got her period and had no idea what it was.
Florida is literally attempting to do this, and other states are following their lead!
The enlightened silence 💀
I too drove an Altima!
Imagine I said that sitting straight upright with my right arm to the square and index finger pointing up.
I think a few things can be true at the same time. I don't like banning most people from speaking at college campuses. At the same time, I 100% support students expressing their free thought and Free Speech in signing petitions to have their voices be heard. We all know it would never happen, though it would be excellent for BYU to have a Trans person speak. Of course, BYU would block most any person from the lgbtq+ world.
These old relics and dinosaurs of the past are fast becoming extinct, and they don't know what to do about it about it. Their old rusty antique "muskets" don't stand a chance.
I think when a college has someone on campus to speak, that person is kind of being given some of that college’s prestige, so I think it’s valid for student to deem someone not worthy of their university’s prestige.
@@ZelphOntheShelf funny how the left in my time the 70's was fighting for Free Speech for everyone, but Now your fighting for only your views ,that's becoming just like the LDS church .
Holland has unlimited opportunities to speak publicly and freely. He could go out right now on the sidewalk next to the church office building and start yelling and someone would cover it. He does not deserve to have the SUU commencement as a platform and the fact that students don’t think he is deserving is not an attack on his free speech.
@@HomestarJr
I totally agree it's not an attack on his free speech. Free speech is the ability to disagree. Well said.
@@ZelphOntheShelf
Totally agree
I just wrote a paper on issues of a patriarchal capitalistic system especially when it is supported and implemented with religion.
You two are too good.
i stg all of these people saying “trans people are coming for your children” all have skeletons in their closet. like matt walsh with that creepy video where he defends actual child groomers and says “consent increasingly means nothing because we’ve expanded it so much”
In Iowa, they have come for trans kids, outlawing transitioning healthcare, dead-naming kids and disallowing them to go to a restroom other than one that corresponds with the sex on their birth certificate...
This bill are being ghost-written by outside groups like "Mom's For Liberty" and others who are sending millions to lobby lawmakers across the nation!
They definitely chose Holland to speak partly because he’s a local big person, my family is from there and my grandma dated him once when they were in college 🥲🥲🥲
I'd be interested to see what you have to say about the church abroad! I've seen a lot of stuff recently about African converts
34 minutes. The Church owns the waters. Isn't that why missionaries are prohibited from water?
No, Satan owns the waters. They own the malls.
Chloroform in print.
To the water point, I'm aware this is a month old but look into water use with fracking. It can never be considered clean again once used in that way. It is a significant useage in the west but so are golf courses.
Loving the recap
y’all should give away a trip with Tanner. 🍄💕
Tanner is famously terrible at tripping with others 😅
Tanner!!!! Loved your music man reference! I'd love yo hear you sing that whole song!
I saw on Facebook the news of the new President or some such of BYU? I was very disturbed by the comments about how much people were hoping he would get rid of all the "wokeness" on campus. Openly showing how much they hate the LGBTQ+ community.
Dixie was named Dixie because the early pioneers were sent to St George to grow cotton. The name was changed to Utah Tech University. SUU use to be called SUSC- Southern Utah State College. Holland is born and raised from St George and that is one of the reason SUU chose him. He is considered a local boy. Also, SUU is 70% LDS and they are appealing to that group. MSP had an excellent live podcast on it yesterday. One on the panel gave suggestions of 100 LDS women who could be the speaker.
No Dixie called Dixie because weather similar Southern States
I want proof of the 10 bucks exchange when bet resolves :)
Good stuff, guys!
When I was in 5th grade (10 years old), in NJ in the 1950’s there was a class for girls and we learned about menstruation. It can begin between the ages of 8 and 17!
the Mendel lady infamously wrote an op-ed in 2017 saying how we NEED to befriend Neo Nazis. her current opinions are no surprise
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The period thing reminds me of the movie Carrie... How sadistic would you have to be to do that to your child?
That's where my mind went too. Sadism could certainly be a facet, but fear and the need to have total control that was born from that fear are the reasons Margaret White did that to her daughter. I believe the same thing is true of anyone in real life who refuses to acknowledge natural processes. Religion uses fear tactics to mess up even those who have no negative worldly experiences to feed into it.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN!! Loved that reaction. Love you guys! Keep up the excellent work.
You guys crack me up 😄 Keep up the great work ✌️😃🇦🇺
Hey Sam, do you think the drag queen propaganda could take a foothold in the UK given the tradition of Christmas panto there? I am genuinely baffled as to how we got here.
I know, that makes it so wild to me!!!! We all watched panto growing up!