Why The Jedi NEVER Tested Palpatine's Midiclorian Count
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Tbh even if they tested his midichlorians they’d find nothing. The test would come out as 100% senate. I mean he is the senate
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Dooku was pretty much spoon feeding the Jedi the answer they need in EP2. He specifically said that the senate was under the control of a dark lord. Well, who controls the senate? The chancellor of course. Who else do the Jedi think he is inferring to?
And even if they do indeed know who Dooku might be inferring to, the fact that they chose to dismiss the idea is also unreasonable since they at the same time decided to believe the exact same accuse from Anakin in EP3 who happened to be the man they doubted most at the time.
Well I mean the sith could've also been someone who was blackmailing or bribing the senate. Though yeah, the jedi should've looked into the chancellor since he would be the first suspect.
kinda interesting though.
If the Jedi demanded an blood test for midiclorian counts and some would deny this, the Jedi could literally say "ok, fine, then we withdraw from battle"
The main reason why the war was in favor of the Jedi and the senate was because of the Jedi being natural leaders for the clones and forming bonds, without the Jedi, the clones would be lost and would basically be droids.
Most squads who were led by Jedi's like Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Mace, Yoda etc had their own distinct personality.
This wouldn't have happened without them since then the newer Clones wouldn't get this unlocked, since it's mostly just drummed into their head that they're expendable, while the Jedi drummed it into their head that they're absolutely not expendable.
@@DarkDyllon great comment up until you said they’d be like droids without Jedi. Watch Star Wars: Clone wars
I did not read the novelization but my interpretation of that scene is that Dooku was trying to do the same as every other sith tried, looking for an aprentice (Obi-Wan) to defeat his master and become the Master Sith Lord.
At they time they couldn't understand why a Sith Lord would give them an army and seemingly help them fight the Separatists. It wasn't until Palpatine's emergency powers grew out of control that finally understand, the war was to manipulate the galaxy into accepting a new Sith Empire while at the same time brew hatred toward the Jedi.
In the novel Darth Plagueis, a Force user escaped detection by altering his blood to obscure his count. Although Plagueis suspected that he may have also used the Force to make the person discard what he saw
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It's makes more sense for him to just fake he's blood test in some way since he has a lot of sway in the political side of star wars, but using the force ro hide his count is far cooler
The Jedi also outright eliminated Palpatine as a suspect once they learned Sidious wasn't just a lie fabricated by Dooku. Their reason being that Sidious likely wanted to control the galaxy, and Palpatine already did.
Becuase "HE IS THE SENATE" !!!
The idea of testing the Senators was a brilliant fan theory. This is one of the few things Disney explored that was truly interesting.
If the jedi discovered the sith why didn't they initiate the knightfall protocol? . When Qui Gon told them about maul and by the end of episode 1 why didn't Yoda safeguard the future of the jedi order ?
Knightfall protocol - to safeguard the order for future generations a large amount of the jedi order going to the unknown regions and to words like Ossus and Tython , this would mean if the sith somehow took the jedi out, many more would be alive waiting to battle the sith again . The Jedi council never did this and it would of ensured sidious would never prevail
my guess, hubris. they thought they could handle it, that sending some of their own to hide away was unnecessary. and by the time they may have realized that maybe they should, they were so deep in the war they couldn't afford to send Jedi to hide away
They respected the sith, but really underestimated them... The only sith they really knew anything about was killed by a Padawan... I mean, they thought just three of them could go arrest Palpatine. The Jedi order didn't know they were really in danger, so cunning and manipulative was Palpatine that it caught them completely blindsided.
The Jedi weren’t supposed to have pride. Pride is an emotion. I know all to well, that too much pride leads to self destructive behavior. I have lost many jobs by being over confident in my importance in a position.
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the dark side of the force can surround ANYONE, even someone who has no force sensitivity can have this happen...
I love the idea that a single pairing of essentially no-name Master and Apprentice Jedi almost stopped Palpatine single handedly. It highlights why people and Palpatine himself are a little mistake when they say the Jedi are arrogant as a whole, and why even the Council valued a Jedi like Qui-Gon to the point of considering him for placement among their ranks: The Jedi are not entirely the dogmatic monolith that others mistake them for.
They should have hired Cade Bane to get a sample of the chancellor’s blood.
well i would assume that just like today... everyone would have a physical done by a physician... and there would be blood tests and/or even blood itself stored somewhere.
what about taking blood and storing it in your own personal blood bank account... so that if you suffered a serious injury, you would literally have your own blood to use for blood transfusions... stuff like that.
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Lucas could have kept midichlorians in the SW universe without it sounding nearly as goofy as it did in the prequels. Instead of midichlorians being a cause of force sensitivity, they could have just been an indicator of it. That is, they could have been a microorganism that thrived in force sensitive individuals but did not actually mediate their level of sensitivity. So the test would still work: someone with a high count would be more force sensitive than someone with a lower count. But making them a kind of symbiotic parasite just sounds. . . disappointing. It also leaves open the possibility that someone could develop a cure or vaccine for them and wipe out both the Jedi and the Sith with a comprehensive public health initiative.
Funny you mention that... because that's basically what happened to the Rakatan Infinite Empire... no one actually knows for sure whether the virus that ended their Empire was natural or bio-engineered... or perhaps the Force Itself created it, but their Infinite Empire fell to a virus that attacked their Midichlorians (but seemed to not attack the Midichlorians in other species), this killed off the vast majority of their species, and left the remainder cut off from The Force.
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Good job on this. However, it is such an effort to stretch out and reshape the plots into adult reasoned plots and environment details to make things work. I'm glad there are folks like y'all to clean this mess up.
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I mean as soon as they new they sith master was a powerful member of the republic they should’ve politely asked all prominent senators. Then if anyone refused left the republic .
The issue is that a number of the senators did not like/trust the Jedi, so it's not like only a few would've refused but a number of them. This is part of the problem with the Jedi Order having tied themselves so closely to the Republic that they relied on keeping in it's good graces
@@darkwolfe6286 right that’s why you make it abundantly clear the Sith Lord working the other half of the war is amongst them he’ll tell the people blast that on the holoweb they tried too much secrecy. If they had information dumbed it would’ve fucked up the grand plan .
In short the Jedi's fall was a result of their own procrastination
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IT'S OVER 9,000!!!!!
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Windu: We have Palpatine's medichlorian count. 20,000.
Yoda: Disturbing this revelation, it is.
Windu: We have problem, though.
Yoda: Oh?
Windu: This one has a medichlorian count of 100,000.
Yoda: Who?
Windu: JarJar Binks.
Because they wouldn't have wanted to rock the boat. In Legends, the relationship was fractious by the time of the Wars.
Palpatine could have dealt with that situation in a much smarter way. How easy would it be for him, the supreme chancellor, just to fake a blood test, thus removing all suspicion about him?
His power level's 9000!!!!!
I get his is a bit off topic but something said in video about the biggest "what if" questions? First I thought , I never thought about if Yoda and maybe 1 or 2 more notable Jedi left at the temple and how many different ways that could of changed things. In the end to me what the Clone Wars movies are missing and anything other content made during this time is The Jedi lack the last final "badass standoff that they should have gotten.
"We couldn't find any midi-clorians, but he might have Covid-19."
*Laughs in Asymptomatic Lord*
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TSW... can you cite to the Star Wars lore, legend, authority, or references in these videos?
I got a theory why didn't Darth Vader learn sith Alchemy to enhance his abilities in the force.
Simple and accurate answer. It wasn't in the script.
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I think that even if they had tested Palpatine, he could have turned it to the Jedi by accusing them of forging the data to take over the Senate, in line like "Isn't it too convenient that of the hundreds of different senators this supposed "Sith Lord" was the High Chancelor?" It even may have accelerated the Jedi Order's dissapearance and/or enemity with the Republic.
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why did qui gon say his midichlorian count was 20K when he tested his blood? where are these 28k - 30k maybe 40k numbers coming from?
Maybe as he grew older it increased?
Also it said OVER 20,000,not just 20,000.Its possible that was around the limit they could read
It's simple, Qui-Gon never said it was over 20k, it Obi-Wan who said it.
"The reading's off the chart; over twenty thousand"
It would also be over 20.000 probably. And definitely over 9.000.
Were there force sensative jawa's
Yes. They acted as shamans for their tribes. There's an optional mission on Tatooine as a Sith Empire player in Star Wars the Old Republic where you investigate the veracity of the idea. The Sith who gives you the mission finds the idea of Force Sensitive Jawas utterly offensive and wants to "prove" it to be baseless superstition. She is, however, wrong
You know it's funny; I never really wondered this. Not because I don't think it would have been a good idea, but because, much like in real life, I see that just isn't how things work. At the risk of being a bit political, I've had times where I've wondered, even thought it's how it should be, that children should be logged. At a young age, they should have blood samples, and finger prints, put into a database, and then later down the line, they could be identified, if need be. I know that sounds much worse, and more invasive, than I'd want it to be. I'd more be imagining being able to identify unfortunate John/Jane Does, or maybe kidnapped children, but unfortunately it would go beyond that. While it might be nice to imagine that any search for a possible criminal might actually come back with a result, even if they hadn't been accused, and processed before, this catching criminals after their first violations would still be a huge I vadion of privacy, and even people who have committed a crime do have the right to not incriminate themselves, which an existing dossier gained from them before they even dud anything would probably be seen as. Naive of me, but possibly very invasive of authority.
I see that here, too. The Senators would be among the highest level of Lords, nobles, and representatives in the galaxy. I don't know if they might have something akin to diplomatic immunity, but I imagine they could strongly resist, even in the face of some evidence, while stronger pushes against thar resistance might just force even more places to join the opposing faction, and that doesn't even scratch the diversity of the Republic. Obviously, many of these representatives weren't human, and even humans gad many differing belief structures, like we do. They have different gods, histories, sins, and more. Amy one of them might have beliefs against such blood tests, or other elements of the search; it was in some ways this forced diversity, and division of common ground, that helped make the Republic so ineffective. I can totally see Palpatine coming up with some way to fake his test, and then force even more conflict, as various people refused to take part in the witch hunt, where there was no proof, and where even most of the greater galaxy didn't even know what these "Sith" were, apart from a defunct, ancient religion, or just evil Jedi, and the Jedi certainly weren't going to explain it, and draw more attention to, and possibly even support of, their ancient foes.
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What happened to the rest of palpatine's clones? Also I thought you really couldn't clone medichlorians so even though he transferred bodies how did that happen? Also why would they test palpatine for meticorians?
Pretty sure he may have used force essences transfer his consciousness a fraction at a time so that he could produce clones. As for them being able use the force I have no idea
What are meticorians? Never heard of them before now
@@christianosborn7739 it what allows force users to access their force powers
Luke's hand had a part in palpatines snoke clones I would think
I'd say Palpatine wasnt Willing to be tested. I think you have to volunteer for the count
I wonder how did Palpatine had time to training skills of jedi and lightsaber as well which who was his master. Also how did Palpatine survive his lifetime to the days of rebellion Also how did he escape out deathstar that quickly just been thrown in agency core of the deathstar. Plus again how did Palpatine sixth Lord survive to the end faces of with Kylo Ren and Rey his grand daughter.
Have you ever heard the tale of Darth plagueis the wise?
cloning
I'm surprised you didn't bring up the possibility that the Jedi could use the blood samples to create CLONES of the senators if they wished. Suppose you wanted to destroy an opponent by tarring them as a criminal. It would be very easy to do if you had a clone of the individual.
They were so certain that the sith were wiped out. Forgetting that sith are ideology. And can come up.
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Mace Windu: "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi. The dark side of the Force surrounds the Chancellor."
*later*
Anakin: "Chancellor Palpatine is a Sith Lord."
Mace Windu: "A SITH LORD?" *shocked pikachu face*
It makes slightly more sense in the novelization because they think Sidious is someone close to Palpatine; a guard or an advisor, and smoking out that person was the reason they gave for sending Anakin to report on Palpatine's activities
well... they only test counts of people who they knew were force sensitive.
from my understanding... (keep in mind this might be legends lore)... but i thought I heard that Palpatine had a special neurological condition that allowed him to suppress his force sensitivity...
... please let me know if anyone also heard of this... and/or if it's even legit...
Yes he could suppress his force signature however the microscopic organism that produces the force sensitivity ( midichlorians) could still be counted scientifically
His force sensitivity was naturally suppressed on its own. It was so effective that not even Darth Plagueis who was savy in observing midichlorians could not see past the shroud. This ability was created by the lineage of Bane sith to hide their true nature from the jedi and the galaxy. By using it the sith are unable to access their force powers and essentially become ordinary beings, though force powers can be used sparingly and with minimal potency without breaking the shroud.
@@starscraper1336 well put!!!
i was thought he had a special part of a section of his brain that allowed such an ability...
... so are you saying that Palpatine is in the ancestral blood line of Darth Bane???
... or are you referring more to the philosophy set forth by Darth Bane and possible wisdom and knowledge provided through sith holocrons?
@@ZenRyoku I meant the philosophy of Bane and the Sith who followed it sorry for the confusion.
@@starscraper1336 no... please... no apology necessary... i had my reference of ideas... you had a much more plausible reference... 💯
... i just wanted to be sure I clearly understood which was which...
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And...how would they be able to do that?
Mr Plinkett brought this idea up years ago.
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The whole Senate and Palpatine stuff is so hard to take . If the senate is soooo worried about the Jedi taking over then why were people in power tested so they weren't cheating and acting normal and were Jedi???????? Overall where The Jedi fit in in Star Wars around the time of The Clone Wars almost feel like a huge plot hole in it's self. I do not want to seem like I am Hating , I love Clone Wars era of Star Wars , I just don't get how in like 5-10 years time The Jedi are not trusted by a lot of races and such but were allowed to make trade talks that if they were bad they could have taken over just via that job and the Jedi somehow end up leading a Senate army?
Any fans that are also fans of real history , it's makes it very hard to compare and have it make sense........ still love it though and the channel!
Lucas liked early DBZ I think.
I wonder where people get these numbers for midichlorian counts. Every youtuber seems to have different numbers. It makes me wonder if they're just making it up.
I don't see why dooku thought it was a good idea to hint to Obi-Wan that there was a sith in the Senate even if he was trying to get into join him by telling him this. I don't see how it would have swayed obiwan's decision in any way honestly he could've shit on their entire plan had ob1 taken it serious he's lucky Obi-Wan didn't take it serious cuz if he had it would have fucked everything up.
honestly, mandatory blood testing is a slippery slope even at the best of times, and by the time TPM came about, Gattaca was already released, genetic screening and genetic based discrimination dystopian stories where all the rage at the end of the 1990s, in TPM Palpatine would have been what? 52 years old, even if the Jedi order had such a screening policy that all Republic children be screened for Midiclorian borth, as even at the age of 9 and the fact he was living in the outer rim, something that they state in the movie, had he lived in the core world's his gifts would have been noticed and he would have been taken to join the order, there is all likelihood that Sheev Palpatine being the child of a prominent Naboo Political aristocratic family, Cosinga Palpatine could have very well sought to hide his son's force powers and count from the Jedi as the House of Palpaitne was well established to be a conservative and isolationist family, all the good that might have done for poor old Cosinga and the rest of his bloodline save Sheev, but how often have we seen right and politically powerful families use their saw to fake records, just look at things like Operation: Varsity Blues had Cosinga not shielded Sheev from screening or even detection by the Jedi council, being the eldest son of the family would have been by degree inducted into the order. further more Anakin was 9 in TPM, and the council deemed him too old to train, had it not been for the massive Midiclorian count and the will of Obi-wan to fulfill Qui-Gon Jinn's final request, Anakin might have ended up in something we've yet to see (to my knowledge to let me know and point me in the director of the books to read) what happens to younglings or even force sensitives who avoid detection until much later in life and the Jedi find them, those who haven't fallen in with the Sith (albeit by the time of TPM the Sith were thought to be gone or a myth by much of the galaxy at large, and the Jedi Order) think of a Fortress Inquisitorius like location (possibly one in the same) where The Jedi council kept a dark hidden secrete, one of if you didn't join the order or you failed them you either died in battle or were frozen and imprisoned, and the only reason the Lost where permitted to simply just leave is because the galaxy at large would have questioned their disappearances without a active war where investigations could get lost in the paperwork.
This might be a stupid question but couldn’t Palpatine have given over blood that wasn’t his and claim it as so? I’m sure he could have extracted some from his folks
I am not surprised about that answer by am curious did any of the Jedi actually even trust palpatine at all and what were their views on him
They didn’t trust him, but not because they thought he was a Sith, but because they thought he was a typical selfish, self serving politician.
What would it matter if they tested his blood? What would it matter if they knew his midichlorian count? Knowing how to use The Force doesn't increase your midichlorian count. Likewise, having a high midichlorian count is absolutely no proof that a person knows how to use The Force. You talk about the Jedi's hubris, that they were so arrogant, that it wouldn't allow them to sense a Sith Lord or Dark Side user on "the council". You... you do realize that even you just referenced Windu saying that the Dark Side surrounds the chancellor, right? You don't think that would've been more of a red flag than knowing his midichlorian count? Also, the Jedi are an arm for the Republic. They serve the Republic. They are not in control of the senate or any politicians. They don't make the rules and then force their rules upon free representatives of sovereign planets. They can't just snap their fingers and then force all senators to donate blood to the Jedi.
It's against Baboo Tradition, which is why they never tested Padme either or checked the father of her children or Pregnancy....
The tights and cultures of the planets is respected by law
Palpatine was so hot before he melted his own face. I wonder how big is man parts are
About 20,000
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What I am more curious about is... was he not tested as a child?
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Didn't you guys cover this topic already?
It's funny because Palpatine is the Senate.
He was born in the republic so he would of been tested at birth like everyone else
Why wasn't he tested as a youngling?
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Palpatine 20,000? No! No one knows his midi count. Only the Sidious fan boys believe it to be higher than Yoda's.
We don't know exactly how Sidious compares to Yoda. Lucas was intent on keeping this information secret.
But the fan boys have made up thier own numbers and debated it to the point many considered it to be Cannon... it is not.
Lucas was a genius! By not answering certain questions, you don't create lose ends. Disney has tried to answer some questions, only to find out that it creates conflicts and confusion. The fan base is to knowledgeable.
Well its said in the lucas canon original trilogy novels that Palpatine grew stronger over time after EP3,
And he was already atleast as strong in the force as Yoda in EP3
Interesting. This explains why Vader had less power than Anikan , the lose of so much of his body lessoned his blood there fore his midicclorren count
It was also why Palps was so pissed at Dooku for cutting of Anakins arm in Episode 2.
he lost his arm so an portion of his true potential.
sure he became much stronger over the course of the clone wars and into episode 3, but that was because he was becoming better at using the force, becoming older and learning his own fighting style etc.
When Obi-Wan cut down Anakin, he lost an giant portion of his force potential, also that his body as an whole was basically on life support, an vader who didn't suffer these wounds would be truly terrifying.
That's not how the body/blood works. Go back and study biology.
I think senators would be right to not want their blood tested if this had happened. You mean to tell me a religious group wants to test my blood to find out if I’m their religions rival? No thanks
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All it would take is objections from senators who are like Rand Paul to never have that happen. That is private medical information.
Pffft. Amateur.
Palpatine should have agreed to the blood tests, but in such a way that would allow him to covertly ditch his own blood sample and swap it with someone else's. Then not only would he have convinced the Jedi that he was on their side looking for the secret sith lord, but were it revealed to them in any other way that that sith lord was Palpatine, he would have already sowed doubt and indecision in the council, and an unwillingness to accept that truth.
Essentially, if they ever found out that he was the real sith lord, he would have already ensured that the information would put them at *each others'* throats instead of at his.
Instead he got two of the people most likely to come to his defense -- to say that the secret sith couldn't possibly be him -- two of his most easily-manipulated and useful pawns -- taken right out of the game. About the only worse thing he could have done is if he used his own blood sample to implicate someone else.
The Jedi were basically village idiots at this point. They deserved everything that happened to them. One word…hubris.
"I refuse to be tested, midichlorians are a myth perpetuated by big midichlorian to cover up a mandalore conspiracy!"
- Republican Palpatine
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this sounds like our political climate
Jedi were so stupid and arrogant! Became such a bunch of snobs
Stupid George Lucas making power levels. It's not a thing and should never have been a thing.
Same reason we haven’t seen Trump’s tax returns
"Jedi pride".
lol, you're incapable of posting content without taking digs at the Jedi.
Do you watch Home Alone and root for the Wet Bandits?
Yeah cause Prequel Era Jedi were arrogant shitheads
Have you really missed the entire point of the prequels