Steinel Ammo 6.5 Carcano at 100yd and 200yd Accuracy Test + Carcano Pro Tips!
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- In this video, we'll be testing the accuracy of a Carcano rifle at 200 yards. The Carcano M1891 and variants were a bolt-action rifles used by the Italian military in both World War I and World War II. Despite being a lesser-known rifle, the Carcano is a very accurate rifle when properly maintained and used. Since we don't have surplus ammo for this test, we'll be using Steinel ammunition. Also, we'll give you some pro tips on how to get the most out of your Carcano.
The Carcano rifle was first introduced in 1891 and was used by Italy throughout both World Wars. There is currently an abundance of surplus carbines available through Royal Tiger Imports and various other distributors. The Carcano M38 short rifle gained notoriety after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, as it was believed that Lee Harvey Oswald used a Carcano in that event.
Getting the right sight picture is key to accuracy, so we demonstrate how to use a six o'clock hold. Remember, each Carcano is different. Whether you're a collector or a shooter, the Carcano is an interesting and unique rifle that's definitely worth experiencing.
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0:00 Intro to Penetration test, accuracy test, and pro tips
0:27 How many inches of wood can the Carcano Go through?
1:37 Accuracy Testing various Carcanos
2:17 Carcano M1891 at the Talladega Marksmanship Park, 100 yard range test
3:21 Steinel Ammo
3:37 Carcano Cavalry Carbine M38 at 100 Yards
4:53 Carcano M1891 at 200 yards
6:16 Carcano Pro Tips!
9:55 Do you Shoot 6.5 Carcano?
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Carcano rifles are very underrated!
I’d have to agree!
beautiful rifle! Love all the Carcanos XD
Thx Dan that sight picture really helps getting the zero.
Yea my shot groups were a little bit wide with the Carcano carbine, so when I used that method of a sight picture, I got stellar results. I figured because of the shorter length of the barrel, the more drastic the elevation changes when your sight picture is different.
@@BattlefieldCurator Ya Dan seems like every sight picture is differnt.. gotta figure out what it is on every rifle THANKS
Just discovered this channel, it is very to the point and full of information.
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The sighting system in the Model 1891 rifles was designed in this way to facilitate infantry interdiction shooting at long distances.
I've had a carcano 1891 for 50 plus years. The only ammo that I have been able to find is Norma roundnose 158g and 147g. Both shoot well enough to take deer. I have never taken mine to a range for testing like you did. I took out a milk jug at 75yds and called it good. I don't use it much anymore because of scarcity of ammo, but I love it just the same .
PPU changed their diameter to .267 sized bullets. Steinel also uses proper sized bullets so both of those were pretty good
The sight picture is especially tricky on a Carcano. First time you ever fire one you end up several feet over the target!
Yep! If you anticipate shooting high, you’ll save some ammo when trying to zero
Why is it like that?! New to Carcanos.
@@AldoSchmedack Bit late, but its because they're sighted in for usually 200-300 meters by default, so you generally have to aim low
Within 300, you shouldn't really have much bullet drop. No more than 6-7". People don't understand ballistics. This weapon has a battlesight that doesn't really compute to modern understanding.
@@AldoSchmedackPer Italian Army Manuals, the Carcano's Sight Alignment is to put the Front Sight into THE BOTTOM of the Rear Sight notch.
IOWs, aligning them the "normal way" will cause you to shoot high.
The velocity for the ammo you are using surprises me because they seem to be way a lot slower than the actual military specs for 6.5mm Carcano especially for the infantry rifle.
Yes. It is a bit slower than military rounds. Steinel is working on making hotter loads.
@@BattlefieldCurator I will check out Steinel for 30-40 Krag because it uses rounds under or close to 2000 FPS. I have an 1898 with I think M1902 Buffington sights.
US based companies tend to down load their milsurp loads. You'll find hire velocities from European companies like PPU and S&B
Next time please test the ppu ammo at 100yrd, I want to compare the steinel to the ppu, steinel makes very accurate 7.35 carcano ammo.
6.5 carcano looks like it has a lot of potential I would like to build a modern rifle chambered for it someday so I can hand load some higher pressure cartridges I bet it would be a 6.5 creedmor killer.
Would be interested if you did that and had a reliable design… don’t use that Mannlicher style magazine lol
Steinel has been on backorder for all carcano ammo for quite some time I have bought some when they had it some rounds did not have well seated bullets had to fix that they seem to perform well enough. Does anyone have a lead on who else out there you can get 6.5 carcano ammo from? Thanks
So what's correct sight picture aim at waist hit chest ?
Ballistic FYI Gents. Based on using Military Ammo (or close to), using the Italian "bottom of the V" sight alignment, with the Carcano's 300 meter Zero- the Rounds will be ~12" high at 100 yards, and ~ 14" high at 200 yards.
Hey have you used 123gr in any of the carbines yet? I snagged some PPU 123gr recently and was just curious before I go take it out.
I am going to make a video on Carcano ammo soon
PPU usually makes pretty good ammo but their 6.5 Carcano uses way undersized bullets so you're lucky if you have a rifle that shoots it well and super lucky if you have a carbine that shoots it well. .264 bullets in a .268 bore just don't do all that well.
I recently got a "very good" condition Carcano cavalry carbine from RTI and here's what I got: pretty rusty all over, bore is so shot out it won't even spin a ball bearing cleaning rod with a tight patch/jag, stock was slathered with some type of shiny poly with runny globs which I have never seen on one of these rifles, missing rear sight button, missing buttplate trapdoor, spring, and screw. It's a Beretta and that's the only reason I didn't send it back.
I will say that RTI was super quick to answer my email and send me the missing parts. That was nice.
Yea, one of my PPU boxes says .264 on it and another PPU box doesn’t say anything about bullet diameter.
@@BattlefieldCurator It's frustrating because PPU makes .268 labeled bullets (actual .267) you can buy from Grafs for reloading, but they use .264 in their loaded ammo for some reason. Maybe their newer stuff has the larger bullets but all of it I've measured has been .264 and those boxes didn't have a diameter listed on them that I remember.
@@Toolness1Liability reasons I'm sure. I have one Carcano carbine that takes a .264 perfectly. In fact it doesn't even like to chamber the Steinel 160gr .268 bullets, the nose of the bullet engages the rifle well before the bolt is even closed. Because the Steinel ammo is so weak this wasn't a problem but it was clear that in this carbine it was increasing chamber pressure compared to my other carbine that just swallows a .264 bullet and doesn't prematurely engage rifling on the longer bullets. There just isn't enough consistency among Carcano rifles for PPU to be making full power loads with .268 bullets. That's just my hypothesis of course.
@@Historydownrange If PPU made the loads with the proper torpedo bullet at .264 it would be way better. The spitzer bullets at .264 have a very short bearing surface compared to what the Carcano barrels were designed to shoot and very few Carcanos, especially carbines, will shoot them nicely. Your rifle is definitely an exception compared to the many I've owned and seen that just can't hold a good group (some can't even stabilize) a .264 bullet. I am not sure the OAL steinel uses, but sounds like it's too long for the shape of bullet. Your rifle fired .267 torpedo bullets in military service so 1 more thousandth shouldn't make much difference as far as chambering, that would be way too close tolerances for a military rifle.
I'd say your issue was as much a case of Steinel loading on the long end of the spectrum for the shape of their bullet as it was a case of the diameter itself.
That's all just my opinion of course, Im wrong all the time :) They should at least find a middle ground somewhere....add a couple thousandths or design a long bearing surface bullet, or just a lighter load with the .267 (actual) diameter bullets they sell.
@@Toolness1 Torpedo bullets are tricky. The Italians avoided the spike pressure problems experienced by the Germans with the Gew.88 by tapering the bullet for the entire lenght, reaching the maximum diameter only towards the base, so to reduce the bearing surface (and the amount of lead to displace when the bullet engages the rifling). If the bullet is not designed like that, a .267 round-nose bullet becomes dangerous. Mind also that Carcano bullets made for precision shooting post WWI were spitzers.
So I was given a carbine once two days befor deer season I had 6 round lol so I took two shots at 30 yards seemed to hit a heart size target!
Opening day deer at 75 yards complete miss..
What ammo were you using? Soft point I hope
@@BattlefieldCurator PPU and I drop several rounds a week at range so I’m not a half bad shot just a burnt barrel idk maybe the cold and wood expansions 75 yards is not far but …
Was terrain flat and was it windy?
Seems both PPU and Norma loads use .264 bullets. I was able to get some .268 bullets for reloading but they are only 123 or 125 grain. Still looking for 160 grain.
Yes PPU is .264 though I have heard that some newer PPU is measured at .267 (and older PPU is closer to .257). Also, I just measured some Norma I had at .257 😯
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I want to buy one like this. how
I noticed the bullets didn’t mushroom 🍄 much like the majic bullet didn’t. Our man Joe Rogan needs to see this.
Definitely! Definitely! Definitely!
Put yourself in Oswald;s Place!
Every youtuber I see fire the Carcano seems to have difficulty working the bolt.
Most of the time for me it’s the clips that have the issue. It will run smooth with good clips
Here’s a question for anyone that knows…why is my inherited Carcano carbine stamped with “6.5x53” And not 52? Anyone seen this before??
It’s a typo… must be part of the import mark, what else does it say? I’ve seen typos on import marks similar to that.
@@BattlefieldCurator Thank you so much for the response. I’ve been going crazy trying to figure this out. It only has 6.5x53 stamped on top of the rear V sights and “TE” followed by 4 numbers. To add to the confusion, I have old ammo that came with it from my grandfather thats “6.5x53 Mann.-Schoen” made by Dominion. Thanks again for your time and expertise.
Difference in rounding since the actual length is 52.5 mm?
@@MaxWray111 yes I was thinking the same thing as well. Thanks for the input.
His was 88 yard;s!
None from 1960-1963?
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