Why You Should FREE LORENZO in Fallout 4 (Secret of Cabot House Best Choice)
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The Secret of Cabot House is one of the most interesting quests in Fallout 4. The player deals with a pre-war family that’s managed to survive for over 400 years thanks to a mysterious alien artifact… an artifact which allegedly drove the patriarch of the family, Lorenzo, completely insane and got him committed to an insane asylum.
At the end of the quest, the Sole Survivor must decide whether to free Lorenzo or banish him to the shadow realm. The game makes it seem like killing Lorenzo is the best outcome. But in this video, we’re going to explore why you should free Lorenzo instead.
0:00 Introduction
0:37 The Real Villain of the Cabot House
3:24 A Family of Vampires
6:34 Is Lorenzo ACTUALLY Insane?
9:28 Rewards - Lorenzo vs Jack
10:14 Conclusion - Ігри
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this is why i love fallout, thank you for the content.
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i honestly wish this quest wasn't some forgotten quest to the rest of the game, like here we have an alien artifact and that is influencing a man he's immortal and has had this artifact on his head for hundreds of years, why with all the institutes resources didn't they take notice of Jack Cabot, like the story is so damn isolated, it's almost as if they don't exist in the world except within this quest, then you can also get that alien weapon Jack gives you which is a diffrent artifact alien gun from the little green aliens that crash land, like they are both isolated stories with little to nothing to draw off of, one would assume they were connected or something.
i was honestly disappointed in this quest, i hoped they would have taken Lorenzo's quest further, like make him having the children of Atom worship him, because in their eyes he would have been considered one of the chosen of Atom, but no the quest is super lame and you only get that short story with that short outcome that is treated isolated from all other quests in the game, like there is no mystery to it, everything is just too well explained and not extended in anyway like you have would thought.
like i honestly hope someone uses that eleven labs tts program to write a quest involving Lorenzo after you side with him, wouldn't it be so cool if he became someone in the major quest plotline down the line in the story? then since you sided with him, perhaps you can use him as a follower and he has added dialogue though other cutscenes through other quests in the game like any other NPC follower, and when you reach his top affinity threshold you get some perk from him, it's just he's treated as this endless source of his serum, but it doesn't really elude to anything in the end, it's just like a nothing quest.
the outcome to the quest feels like wasted potential, like so many other quests do in this game.
Lorenzo should hook up with Mama Murphy: have you ever really looked at her earrings?
Bro your name is big Dan you ain’t going to the gym ever if you got to this point.
Love how Dan glossed over the fact that if you help Lorenzo snd find him later in the wasteland, he openly admits to murdering a family of ghouls just to see how their immortality works.
But were they feral or not?
@@Nagatem It's been awhile since I've done the encounter but I think he openly admits to killing them to study their "radiation syndrome." I also believe they have regular wastelander clothing which suggests they were non-feral. Lorenzo is a full blown psychopath. His family are probably all sociopaths but we don't have any information on them being serial killers like Lorenzo.
To play the devils advocate for a second... Some of the greatest medical breakthroughs in human history were made by people operating in super shady, or downright nasty ways. Experiments on prisoners, conquered peoples, etc. Now the overwhelming majority of people would never conduct such morally dark research/experiments etc. But the vast majority of people alive today have or do benefit from them. When we find out a medical breakthrough came of the back of morally wrong activities we generally don't throw that knowledge away and refuse to use it. We condemn it as wrong, but "hey, we ain't throwing away that cure" It's an interesting thought experiment... If you knew Lorenzo doing bad stuff, killing maybe, 20, 30, 40, innocent ghouls. Would result in finding the cure for going feral, thus saving many thousands of other ghouls from that horrible fate... Would you look the other way? Or is the moral cost too high?
I mean.....that's not the worst thing ever lol, especially compared to the player character who has probably killed literally hundreds of human enemies by that point (raiders, Children of Atom, ghouls etc)
@@BadgerOff32 A character killing in self defense is not remotely the same as a character killing random folks in cold blood.
I've played enough Call of Cthulhu games to know that the only safe option is to purge the entire family.
AND burn the house down!
I let loose lorenzo in one play through, I saw him in the wasteland wondering around near a deathclaw so I lured the deathclaw to him to see who wins.
Deathclaw wins.
If you free Lorenzo you can find him in random encounters where he has murdered people to "study" them. Jack is the only of the Cabot family that is the least bit likeable, but he does seem to actually care about safety of the commonwealth. If you side with him, he is not the least bit upset about losing immortality.
That's what convinced me to side with Jack. He cared about the wellbeing of his father and only consumed the blood serum so he could continue living and researching a way to cure Lorenzo. Immortality be damned, man just wanted his dad back.
to bad the story was so damn isolated, like i mean there were opportunities all around the place for other possible story based connections.
like the fact of the institute who's been spying on everyone have eyes and ears everywhere and yet, they know next to nothing about Cabot house?
like it makes no sense to me that they wouldn't know something or possibly send someone there to extract knowledge of what's going on.
i mean i suppose if the soul survivor as in you are really a synth and doesn't know it, it's possible you are the infiltration unit of the institute stealthily obtaining the information, but it's never brought up to the institute in any way possible, not even the serum you obtain comes to question with some kind of quest to research this stuff, it's just so damn isolated that it boggles the mind why bethesda left the story so damn isolated, like if you play the institute quest you learn they tend to snatch people from the commonwealth for all kinds of reasons, like that one guy who ended up giving the institute nuclear power for the institute, that guy they were spying on and even sending him secret material to test him to see his skills to see if he was a fit in the institute, like why not offer that same thing to the Cabot house with Jack, the guy is very open about his theories so much so that he allows the first stranger that Edward deagan hires to know about his father's theories on the alien civilization speech and his findings.
like there is so much loss in potential story telling with these stories that would match up if given the chance, but it never happens, just like the crashed UFO site and the green alien quest, it exists so the player can get the gun, but there is no story that furthers on this idea of the aliens or any research option into them in any way, not even the Cabot quest has any relation to the green alien quest, like you can't even present the green alien gun to Jack and have him investigate it, like the gun is supposedly a Zeta gun artifact like the gun he has, but it appears more advanced than the one he uses that is called Zeta gun, or is it 2 diffrent alien species, we simply don't know these details, it's never brought up in any way.
the outcome of the Cabot quest is also lackluster as well, like you are given the choice to kill everyone or kill Lorenzo or kill mostly everyone except Lorenzo, it's all very lacking.
i mean arguably you are a better person if you choose to kill Lorenzo, but Lorenzo offers something far more worth your effort, the artifact gun is super lame and i prefer my bullets or plasma rifles over that any day as i consider that gun more trash than anything worthy of using in any way.
i would have loved if they extended Lorenz's quest in some way, like maybe instead of finding him kill some random NPC's just to observe his insanity.
instead he ends up running the children of Atom and they worship him as their savior and he becomes this massive enemy to fight up against near the end game within the glowing sea.
something like that would have offered far more value to the story instead of the very lacking story ending that we got in the vanilla game.
like idk if bethesda planned to make it a bigger quest or not, maybe they did have a extended planned quest, but they ran out of time and didn't expand the quest in any meaningful way, so we ended up with this very lackluster quest.
going on my idea of what i just added to a possible quest, let's say it's based on your choices in far harbor, and it causes Lorenzo to take notice that it was you who destroyed them or perhaps he knows that you did something to cause the children of Atom leader in far harbor to stray away from the path of division, so that starts a quest of the growing movement of the children showing up in the commonwealth attacking your settlements and that leads to an all out war with the children of Atom up against Lorenzo in a massive fight in the glowing sea.
so which ever faction you chose to be the leader institute, brotherhood of steel, railroad, minutemen, can go up against him and his army with you and your allied factions to destroy them.
just think about something as cool as of an idea as this as a ending result to allowing Lorenzo to live, wouldn't this have been so much better than what we got?
@@user-tp5yb4hr4w i don't know for a fact, but it's my understanding that one of the writers was a lovecraft fan and he just copied amd pasted Lovecraft stories into the game, but not the main story line. This includes the Cabot house and the Dunwich Borers
@@user-tp5yb4hr4w The gun is good for lowering settlement cap.
After freeing Lorenzo in one of my last runs, I did meet him out in the Commonwealth. He was standing over the bodies of a few settlers and he admitted to killing them. I knew I had to put him down at that point.
Another settlement needs your help!
No one is innocent in the wasteland.
@@Bra55Monkey Then what crime were they guilty of?
@@jazzyjswiftwe born in sin we die in sin.
@@TotallyNotKanyeokay that’s a bs non answer. Take your high and mighty morals elsewhere
Option 1: Kill the Cabots and let an immortal psychotic mass murderer free in the Commonwealth. Option 2: Kill the Cabots. Because what you neglected to mention is that 1) Lorenzo was imprisoned _because he killed people,_ 2) Lorenzo continues killing after escaping, and 3) the Cabots begin to rapidly age after losing access to the serum. Wilhelmina dies shortly after Lorenzo; Jack is shown to be much older just a week or so afterwards.
Either way, the Cabots die; it's just that in one scenario, Lorenzo gets to keep killing.
Exactly. Dan glossed over Lorenzo's post-release killing like it doesn't occur. Allowing Lorenzo to go free is a detriment to the Commonwealth. IRL we imprison people harmful to society for life and even sometimes get benefit from them in the form of free labor. This situation is no different from our own reality. And we have no solid evidence that Jack hasn't been trying to cure his father. It could be that he seems less enthused because he's already tried everything he can imagine and has found it to be a fruitless endeavor.
@@kevindavis5966 as is the lone wanderer isnt a mass murdering war criminal lol. let him go ham on raiders.
@@kevindavis5966 The problem I have is that there is no evidence that Lorenzo killed the people in the random encounter. It easily could have been self-defense even if he did. You find him examining the bodies of some dead ghouls. He has a curiosity about their biology. It's kind of reasonable for him to want to kill his family, they kept him locked up for four hundred years. There is no direct evidence that the random encounter was either not him just having found the bodies of the ghouls or that the ghouls didn't attack him first. Even if we gasp, clutch are pearls and come to the conclusion that he is *insane*, how does that make him any worse than every single raider in the game? So, he never attacks any of your settlements or trade hubs like Diamond City, he sometimes kills ghouls, but not the ones you know are not feral and you can't prove the ones he does attack weren't feral, maybe he kills a few raiders and super mutants along the way, but the thing people are claiming is that he is doing it because his psychotic like if he somehow wasn't psychotic we would all be telling him, "welcome we have a bed and some food for you right over here."
@@darrekworkman5595 I remember that I released him. I mean, even if he killed people in the past, which is the reason he's supposed to be in this cage, this does not give any legitime reason to Jack and the whole Cabot family to exploit him. I agree with you.
@@darrekworkman5595 No, it could not have been self-defence. Lorenzo is essentially invulnerable to normal weapons, so unless the people he kills happened to be toting around a massive zeta wave emitter, they couldn't harm him. So that's utter nonsense.
"How does that make him any worse than every single raider in the game" - I kill raiders too. What's your point?
The very best you can come up with is "we don't know". So our options by your standards are "maybe kill one innocent man" or "maybe set an immortal, unstoppable psychotic mass murderer loose". Are you seriously telling me that option 2 is the best choice???
My character does it for that sweet sweet immortality in my head canon you give whoever you decide to be your spouse a serum and together you raise your synth son and travel the wasteland for eternity
Romance curie then only you need the serum btw the serum apparently cures the virus you get from the mole rats in the vault
You have to bring lorenzo in your travel tho since He's your source for the serum.
Now your synth son have a grandpa! Yay!
@@muhammadjoshua7464 (waits on the side as gampie murders some settlers to "see how they work") shaun can take notes for him!
I got a feeling that you'll pick the Institute ending LOL
Best ending.
@@FriggazeeThankfully the Institute ending isn't canon.
I've sided with the institute at least twice.
@@hermos3602there is no canon ending
@@supahgaming8249 Not true. The TV series makes it clear that there is a canon ending - either the Brotherhood or Minuteman ending is canon (we don’t know which). These two endings are the only possible way for the Prydwen to be still in operation 9 years later (despite earlier comments that it was a different airship - eagle eyed viewers confirmed you can see Prydwen written on the side of it in at least one scene).
Why it relocated to the West Coast is unknown. But only those 2 endings allow it to survive. Both the Institute and Railroad endings cause it to go down in flames. Now, tbf - that doesn’t mean Elder Maxon is still alive. Only that the Prydwen survives FO4.
another fact about siding with lorenzo, the serum can be used in far harbor to cure the guy in the medical clinic
This is true but he will also refuse to give you anymore after that
There’s a bunch you can grab free at the Asylum. Siding with Lorenzo isn’t necessary.
I wonder could Lorenzo’s serum cure the boy from vault 81?
@@ErosXCaos I didnt knew that
no, and it can't be used to cure Shaun @@dragonoidx
This one is such a stretch. There is a lot of information you are skipping over. Like the fact that he only found out about the immortality because of a lot of time trying to cure his father - so at least at some point we know he was trying to cure him. Lorenzo literally does go out and kill ghoul settlers - not feral ghouls. His words, "study has just begun" also is pretty clear that he wants to kill more and study them. Not to mention Jack does not seem to care AT ALL about losing immortality after these events. HIs lifes work of saving his father has failed, so it doesn't matter anymore how long he lives.
Im sure the psycho who has random encounters of him murdering people is definitely the good guy
I really wish they had done more with this questline. It had virtually unlimited potential.
You free a future serial killer to get super serum
I kill a future serial killer while embracing a delusion that i am a robot, occasionally cosplay as abraham lincoln and embrace the "bass booster" (full auto the lorenzos artifact)
I have to disagree wholeheartedly. Otherwise there would have been a third option to strengthen the abramilen field.
Jack makes you kill his own father, rather than release him into the commonwealth to do what happens to be true, kill to his hearts content.
Jack knows this will end his immortality, but its the correct thing to do
That gun is the best way to get arcade tokens in nuka world, that shoot the duck game, one shot hits every target.
Lorenzos artifact gun is OP af. It's knockdown/ stagger effect makes you untouchable. It's staggers EVERYTHING and has AOE damage too. The damage far outweighs the gamma effect on mutants and ghouls, and absolutely cripples and de-limbs everything too.
i was about to comment this as well. Lorenzo's artifact gun is probably most OP non-legendary gun in the game. Might not deal most dmg per second, but because of the stagger it doesn't really have to be. You are still having pistol that acts as missile launcher and you can shoot again before enemies are able to fight again. Charging it fully also deals good amount of dmg, works like stun grande and blows up limbs after couple of shots. Only issue I have with it is that AoE can caught you off guard and kill you if you shoot something that is too close
@oappi4686 yea I've died a couple suicides from it. It makes mirelurk queens, behemoths and death claws a breeze
lore-wise, your character effectively becomes immortal if you save him since you get to drink his blood. win win.
You can find 3 mysterious serums just outside where lorenzo is held, on a tray, not sure if there is more.
I guess it depends on your build. Melee players should go for the syrum, but an explosives expert should go for the Fus Ro Dah gun. It'll annihilate anything in your way since it scales off explosives for some reason.
Yeah I feel like Big Dan hasn’t seen that gun fully kitted out and in action.
@@jeffreysort7219it folds.
Explosive combat shotgun scales from demo expert and rifleman.
@@darrickfoster8694 Indeed, if you have a weapon that pulls from multiple perks, all the better. Using a weapon like Spray and Pray while having invested in Commando and Explosives would be even better. More rounds, more boom. Add Bloody Mess for a damage increase for all weapons as well, and it will get ridiculous.
I love this side quest. It's a great little scifi short story
i liked it too, but i felt like it had so much wasted potential, like wouldn't it be cool to show him your other alien artifact and have them both researched to be an even better weapon or maybe the part when you side with Lorenzo he has more of a quest.
i just felt so disappointed, i would go into this more, but i have to go to work.
@@user-tp5yb4hr4w Yeah I always felt you could've had Lorenzo join the Institite or something. To further his scientific research with like minded folk or something.
@@rmeddy
Jack was the scientist, but Lorenzo would prove to make a very interesting subject to the institute for sure.
it would have been cool if the whole Cabot quest had better consequences involved in them.
just picture 3 separate alternate endings, one where you side with Jack and if and you are still with the institute it could potentially involve a quest for the Artifact that involved Lorenzo's crown.
then alternate quest 2, could be that you sided with Lorenzo, but instead of him getting involved with the institute he travels to the glowing sea and the children of Atom end up worshiping him and it starts a huge quest to take him down with his vast armies of the children of Atom, perhaps the quest could still involve the institute in some way, maybe you just have to take the research that Jack collected through out the years and that Zeta gun and they can figure out how to use that as a form of attack.
then the 3rd alternate ending, where you don't kill jack or Lorenzo and get a more peaceful solution, that could also involve the institute.
as a side note, it would be cool to have it involve which ever faction you kept as your allies to branch other possible quests, just like they did with the whole dima far harbor ending quest but a lot more involved, where you could side with the railroad or the institute or even the brotherhood to eliminate the synths.
Ngl when you showed the sponsor it made me realise how much weight youve lost, well done dan keep going.
This is not true Dan you legit look like you may have only loss ten pounds at the most. Very unnoticeable
You can literally find Lorenzo later on as a random encounter standing over a group of dead settlers and he simply comments "I"m having so much fun in this new world."
Lorenzo is straight up a psychopath.
Sorry, but the Commonwealth can barely handle the Sole Survivor, we don't need 2 of them running around.
I sided with jack like four times specifically for the artifact gun. You're sleeping on that weapon. It doesn't fire regular gamma rounds. It fires telekinesis. It uses gamma rounds, but what fires out of the gun is telekinesis that doesn't deal the best damage, but stops everyone and everything dead in their tracks.
Someone else please confirm/deny this, but I saw somewhere you can get this gun anyway. It’s on the table (I think the lab table?) in the Cabot house.
It even respawns infinitely except on Survival.
Idk if this is true or not though
@@derekmann8239 I'm pretty sure that's the Zeta gun you're talking about, it is much weaker than Lorenzo's artifact gun and doesn't have the same effect.
@@derekmann8239 do the mission. The gun you're talking about is the zeta gun that fires red gamma radiation instead of green and only does 10 damage.
So does a kneecapper pipe pistol.
It has crazy knockback though, like send people flying into the stratosphere kind of knockback. Its a physics gun
The Lorenzo artifact guy with max ranks in demolition expert, and nuclear physicist is arguably the best pistol form factor gun in the game. The artifact is also a mod, and so can be put onto any legendary gamma gun that you find. In my last play through, I put the artifact on a legendary 2-shot gamma gun. Kills most stuff with 1-2 shots.
Forgot to mention lorenzo murders a bunch of random ghouls to "study" their immortality after you free him.
Then you rule out siding with the Brotherhood or Institute then. Leaves you with the Minutemen and Railroad and the Railroad is setting synths on the loose to run rampant and kill humans, so you always go Minuteman? I mean, it makes sense in a way, it's the only faction you can impose your own morality on.
@@liwojenkins Taking the trader route in nuka world sets humans free to run rampant and kill other humans, it's hardly any different. Why the double standard? Is it wrong to end slavery because some of those slaves could go on to become criminals?
The times I have played this I never thought of another ending, thanks.
What I love of this channel is that I don't even have to see the video but just to do exactly the contrary that is recommended... 😀
I remember on a almost maxed out character i was playing i ran into Lorenzo wiping the floor with a group of mutants. Dude took a kamikaze mini nuke to the face, got back up, and proceeded to slaughter the whole group. It was hilariously terrifying.
You forgot to mention lorenzo's journal, where he wrote down the expedition he went on trying to find the crown with his team
"After his family is already dealt with"
*lorenzo chilling on the couch splattered in blood*
LMAOO
I really wish you could (whine on side with the institute) bring up Lorenzo to them. Imagine a special mission to retrieve Jack and his notes (potentially by just inviting him to the biosciences division) or capture Lorenzo. Big fancy fight where you are backed up with Synths vs Lorenzo could be neat, it could be set at some scenic location not used by another quest but already in the world and all that.
I have to disagree. The guy is clearly insane and too dangerous to let run free. Not to mention the first thing he does after being freed is to kill his entire family.
I wasn't looking at the screen when Edward started speaking and immediately wondered why Batman is in a Fallout video.
On Jack's terminal in his office at Parsons there are records of special patients that were placed under his direct care. Lorenzo is one of them, and it more or less says he might have been given the death penalty if Jack hadn't convinced them his crimes were from being insane, so apparently there were some serious crimes from Lorenzo, he has hurt people in the past. --- This feels like a lot of choices you make in Fallout. There just isn't one completely morally right answer, and all choices are questionable. But having played through maybe a dozen times now, I tend to free Lorenzo; the serum is pretty useful, and as far as I've seen he doesn't hurt anyone in the settlements.
I sure would love a mod that lets Lorenzo be a companion after you free him. He might be trickier to max out than Strong.
I do use gamma guns in Fallout 4, they're pretty rad.
Out of all the characters in the franchise you know Lorenzo has got some interesting knowledge. I'd love to have an actual conversation with him and see what he knows!
There's a random event you can get where Lorenzo kills 2 ghoul settlers. Just to study them he's definitely insane.
How is that insane? They are subhuman to him.. he had a rational motivation , to study them he didnt do it because the voices said or they had evil bones or something … not insane.
@WeAreInYourWall he murdered people before the war, which is why he was moved from deathrow to the asylum. He's not insane, he's just an Zetan in a human body.
Somehow when i released lorenzo and went to the cabot house, as the family started shooting, lorenzo became my enemy too. So i dont know if my game glitched out or what. Everyone died except jack.
I found it interesting that in Jack's ending he claimed "he would have killed both of us", but in Lorenzo's ending, he never so much as tries to harm you afterwards, displaying at least a measure of gratitude. I think you're overselling his morality, though. Lorenzo's definitely a cold-blooded killer, just not an indiscriminate one, and not one without some small sense of honor.
I always side with Lorenzo because he's the only member of the family that isn't an entitled prick. Everyone in the game kills something. Institute murders people no problem, and so does the brotherhood, but no one says jack about them even though they do far more collateral damage. The only difference between Lorenzo and the player character is that the player character acts out of self defense, but is still killing people. And you can't tell me that everyone that has played this game hasn't accidentally killed an innocent civilian somewhere along the way by popping off random grenades/nukes/explosive weaponry from a distance with a stray bullet. It's pretty silly to argue about the morality of it when the player character becomes immortal and can do good things in the lands for all eternity vs a single lifetime. Lorenzo killing a few people is a small insignificant thing in the grand scale of all things. If Lorenzo wasn't doing it, a raider would. At least Lorenzo is doing it for study instead of pure greed and entertainment. I think far too deeply about things...
Great video. What was that gun the sole survivor was holding?
Your voice sounds like the Disney channel guy from the early 2000s lol. Great video btw. Always loved this quest.
Omg nice to see you're doing Fallout Videos, love your vids man
I just watched a video about Lorenzo and here u are with a new video about him hell yeah man
always did like Lorenzo. He seems so well balanced compared to his family. plus getting some 'live forever' juice isn't a bad pay off
I know it's not very likely lore friendly but it would be a blast to have him show up some reason in Fallout 76. Maybe in a alien event.
The gamma gun you get for killing Lorenzo is worth killing him
It does all 3 types of damage plus an explosive radius that makes it more powerful than it says
If youre playing a pistol run its a beast
That gamma gun is one of the most op weapons in the game. Its a mod so you can move it to other gamma guns for starters but it also does damage in a weird way making it super effective against ghouls and anything that is normally immune to radiation damage. It's explosive and so it benefits from explosive perks as well as radiation perks.
Imagine putting it on a explosive gamma gun if that’s a thing idk
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After the quest and unaliving Lorenzo, their house is a gold mine! Every two days it refills with mini nuke,Fatman, cash, the gun and perfectly preserved cans and food. You can even take the plates and napkins right from under the mother. No one says a word!
Am I the only one that thinks the "artifact" might be a Dwermer from the Elder Scrolls?
hmm? i think i’m going to go with the artifact gamma gun, but how long does the effects of the lorenzo serum vials last?
I had found Lorenzo in one of my settlements. He had wiped them out. I think he was pulled into combat with them because of some raiders. Collateral damage. He is actually totally off his rocker. Still I did find two synths among the dead.
Thats one thing i didnt realize for awhile til i saw a mod on xbox that helps you find your few settlers that are actually synths. I cant believe they put that in the game, the institute literally sends synths to your settlements to spy on you. I mean Sturges is a synth if you use the mod to be able to kill essential NPCs he has a synth component.
@@brandogents6624such a neat detail it could be likely that like 20% of the population are synths and there are many agents/informants working with them. Kinda lame how little they get used in game.
Is he immortal if he leaves his cell?
I like being able to loot the Cabot house for free ammo whenever I want and how much I want
It’s not a matter of ethics, it’s a matter of compensation. Being a mercenary, I see the serum as a better reward than the radiation gun. I got plenty of decent weapons already. Meanwhile the chemical given is rare and powerful.
My first three play throughs I bought into Jack’s lies. Then I tried
Or Enzo and realized my mistake.
I always set him free in my playthroughs and take the slow walk with Lorenzo back to Cabot House.. it's interesting to watch him clear the way.
I've played it both ways and agree I think Lorenzo should live!
You can use Lorenzo's gamma gun to keep enemies stun locked. Its op, if you get enough ammo for it.
If you ask Lorenzo he says he killed the goul settler to study. So yeah he is homicidal just like Jack said.
So it looks like Jack was telling the truth. Not denying something is reasonable if you've been insulted with accusatory questions several times. All we have are paranoid people that are probably jealous that someone has immortality serum without bad side effects like ghoulification.
I like picking the option that is the most interesting. This one here, I'm just too damn curious how things would turn out if I freed him
I sided with Jack and still got the serum. Maybe you can use duplication to make more so you never run out. Has anyone tried. I just thought of it, so I haven't. I haven't tried to duplicate anything yet; just learned about it recently.
I was wondering why the quest is somewhat, but not quite familiar since it has its own fallout 4 story. the Ayleid Crown of Lindai Oblivion sidequest
After watching some lore videos, seems lorenzos powers are linked with the whole eldrich LLC and eldrich cult stuff its actually pretty interesting and a shame lorenzo didnt go more in depth on what was going on.
I know i read somewhere you can encouter him in the wasteland afterward but nothing more delves into the helmet or where it came from etc.
Glad to see Big Dan getting them sponsors. 💰
The artifact gun may be weak but you can knock enemies around like a kickball. I give it to my companion and let them knock enemies around since they don't do much damage anyways. Always give them the artifact or any kneecapper gun.
As long as I play this quest late enough into the game, I like letting Lorenzo go and then I try and kill him. He's a freaking powerful enemy so fun to fight. Plus once you beat him, you can go back to Cabot house and meet the whole family one last time as they all ran there but this time they're just a little pissed at you. haha, kind of fun
Sneaking and breaking into Jack Cabot's computer upstairs I think I might have read one of his entries wrong in my fourth playthrough. Was he even a related Cabot family member or an imposter? I always free Lorenzo because it's the right thing to do, If I somehow gained immortality and my family locked me up just to live off me like vampires for centuries, I'd be pissed too and perhaps a little insane.
You side with Lorenzo because he's rightly pissed with his family, i side with him because he promises to willingly give me his immortality spooge and DELIVERS on said promise, effectively making me an immortal. Also goes to show you that had Jack not thrown him in that cell that he may have just shared those gifts willingly.
Correction. Jack did not willingly imprison Lorenzo in Parsons Asylum. He tells the player that it was due to the family's influence his father ended up confined at Parsons rather than on Death Row.
It's also heavily implied Lorenzo did a lot of heinous shit before he was confined in the asylum, so it's just as likely he would have killed his family anyway
@@toakongu1 don't get me wrong, Lorenzo IS a nutcase Eldritch killer, but it's just as evil to lock your father up, lie to strangers about the details of his captivity, and use his powers to maintain your lifespan while you make no real attempts to help him past his madness whatsoever.
@@clarencewalters338I think that may be due to them all living for over 400 years. I think living for that long, eternally young, unnaturally strong and unaffected by radiation will mess with the way your mind works. You can get a glimpse of their psyche in the youngest daughter’s records found in her computer. She talks about feeling superior but also extremely sad.
Devil's Advocate for Jack, maybe he can cure his Dad... but was trying to work on a way to keep making the immortality serum afterwards anyway? (Ok yeah, still fk'd up more than a little, almost like it's a Fallout game lols)
it never even crossed my mind to NOT release Lorenzo. Ofc you let him out to wreak havoc.
Ran into Edward out in the glowing sea on the way to Virgil, just walking
i just want a serum that will increase my carrying capacity to 1000 so i can loot anything
Thats what I love about Fallout there are some missions (cant rmb off the top of my head) where the choices are pretty grey. I am a minutemen supporter and supports the freedom and the betterment of the commonwealth but for this mission I went with how I would feel if I were in Lorenzo's shoes. Sometimes revenge seems to be the only driving force that matters at that moment
Actually, when i checked back on my quest summary for The Secret of Cabot House, I realised my choice then was that I stopped Lorenzo which I totally forgot about lol (I may have replayed the quest with the alt choice and thought that was what I went for), not sure what my line of thoughts were back then but this just goes to show the grey nature of the choices
I havent even finished watching the video yet and i agree that freeing lorenzo is the best option. HE IS RIGHT, his family have been feeding on his blood for 400 years (200 before the war even started) feeding on his blood like vampires.
He wants to remove the helmet, but against lorenzo's wishes.
When you free lorenzo does he attack you? No. He gives you gifts.
long after he is free why does he keep helping you?
because he is someone who keeps his promises.
Doesnt sound like a wild monster that jack described.
sounds like jack came up with convincing propaganda for his blood slave situation.
Excellent summary of this quest. Glad I made a save before hitting the over-rides! I want Lorenzo freed.
Why did you read what Lorenzo was saying, as he was saying it at 9:00? I could have just listened to him deliver his lines.
I only let him live one time since the game got released. I always go for the gun because I like sending ghouls flying.
For everyone who is not above a little bit of cheese. You can glitch Lorenzo’s artifact onto other guns with the mod glitch. Put it on the problem solver and thank me later for the hours of fun you’ll have.
I'd free Lorenzo because I personally like the idea that there's some unstoppable lone lunatic with alien psychic powers wandering the wasteland, Completely unfazed by its struggles because he's just that powerful. It'd be epic if Lorenzo somehow got ahold of Lone wanderer's spaceship and got in contact with Mr. House, Together they could transform the wasteland.
Hey, free him for shits and giggles but don’t say he’s not nutso. 😂
Can you do playing bully without knocking out anyone next.
I assume there is no way to get the gun AND a few vials AND Kill Lorenzo to make the waste land safe?
You can actually get up to 8 vials of the serum and still kill Lorenzo.
1 vial from Special Delivery if you pass a speech check to lie and say you couldn't recover any serum.
4 vials from the named raider miniboss "Lefty" in the room containing Lorenzo's cell.
3 vials on a table beneath the observation window Jack is standing at, same room as Lefty
No thanks. Big Dan. I’d rather have free unlimited nukes. When resetting time.
If he wasn't insane, being kept imprisoned in a room for 400 years would make him so.
I can't even get this quest to work on my PS5. I have a quest breaking bug that has been in the game since launch...😅
PS5 bug is rare. I’ve had it once in all my runs on PlayStation.
@@ErosXCaos Not rare for me. I have it on both of my characters.
@@Specuh When I looked into fixing the bug, it’s impossible on PS5. PC players can use console commands. But I read that the Unofficial Patch and FreeFall4 prevent it.
What’s the bug? I just completed this quest on ps5 on survival it was tough with the raiders on serum lol
@@EternalNightingale emogene won't spawn when you rescue her from Brother Thomas's cult. She instead spawns behind a locked door in the cabot which you can't unlock, making the quest impossible to complete. There is no fix for this for console users and it seems to have infected my entire copy of Fallout 4 since if I create a new character I just get the bug all over again.
Shazam Shazam. I missed that. I wanted to do that, but I always play paragon first. I’ll definitely let him loose on the second one.
the "artifact gun" is one of the most OP weapons in the game lol.
Lolol I loved the video but definitely disagree with your take on Lorenzo. He is definitely a homicidal maniac and if u free him, he walks the commonwealth and does just that - multiple times. Also, the mysterious serum is great - but not necessary needed. I've only used it in more than once on one playthrough (Far Harbor). The gun is actually not bad (not great but definitely useful)
This was a fantastic side quest and i enjoyed your take on it.
Ive always wondered since playing the game. Are the ancient aliens the same Zetans? Or are these ancient aliens a different race of alien all together.
I think Zetans because we kill him using Zetan radiation
@@AngelRamirez-qp7uu true, its been awhile since my last run but did enjoy this questline. hardly remember nowadays. Thanks for the comment.
Likely zeta but the headpiece is not the right size for their heads. Also it could be an ancient earth civilization that ascended or some bs.
First time I killed him hopping to get the helmet 😂 it’s throws you off the first time encountering him because everyone so well preserved and he floating around and saying crazy shit kinda looks like a lose lose but it’s a win when you make the right choice which is freeing him from his family. 😅
cool cyberpunk chair dan
You free Lorenzo, you get free immortality for life. I wonder if you can bring back the dead. Like Nora. Her body is basically frozen, but she did get a .45 to the head. Also, why didn't we give the syrum to our son to cure his cancer? We were able to use the syrum on a random guy in Far Harbor, but not on a dying Shaun? 😂
I freed Lorenzo then killed him thinking I could loot the artifact headpiece. RIP
Oh ...I just freed him for the unlimited serum. It goes great with buffout and Radx
I always free him coz regardless of whether or not he's a complete psychopath, being locked in that tiny room for all those years must have been torture. Besides, I reckon he could deal out some Commonwealth justice to those who deserve it 😄
I wanted to on my current run. But my save file is bugged and I can’t find Emogen Cabot 🤣
I had the same issue on a previous run, you'll have to use console commands to advance the quest, or reload a save from before you finished Special Delivery and start the Emogene part over again
I always free him mysterious serum to good to pass up
I still want New Vegas 2 with the Cabot House Aliens as part of the main plot.
I've freed Lorenzo and then where there at the Cabot's when he blew those bastards to hell!