Marvelous Marvin Hagler's legend continues to grow, as time goes on. Some fighters reputation decreases as time goes on, other increase. Hagler's has increased. Also, Hagler would have never thrown a fight, especially to Leonard. As time goes on, the consensus wisdom is this: Leonard waited Hagler out, waited until Hagler's skills eroded. then Leonard negotiated every single advantage for the fight: big gloves, big ring, 12 rounds instead of 15, and Leonard insisted on these advantages and gave Hagler extra money to make sure he got it. Also, Hagler, by then, had achieved greatest and had gotten respect. After beating Duran, Hearns and Mugabi, he was the undisputed pound for pound best, and was doing the Carson show and Right Guard commercials. In other words, Hagler didnt need Leonard anymore. If anything, Leonard needed Hagler because Leonard's legend had faded. Hagler was the man, and the problem that, is that he wasn't as hungry anymore. Hagler should have either not taken that fight, or fought that fight the way he fought Hearns--all out, not giving Leonard a chance to breathe. Anyhow, history is history, but it says alot about Hagler that even on that day, 50% of the fans and press thought he won, he was never hurt, stunned or wobbled, he wasnt cut or beat up in any way, and he looked like he could have fought for 15 more rounds. The one thing I thinked he lacked in that fight was hunger: his destruct and destroy wasn't there that night, and neither was his hands speed and reflexes. Leonard waited long enough for Hagler's skill and hunger to erode...just enough to ekk out a split decision victory. I cant think of anyone who believes Leonard would have beaten Hagler in their primes...not even Leonard. And, Leonard never cleanly beat Hagler. Lastly, whereas Hagler never embarrassed himself inside or outside the ring (no shame in losing to Leonard, one of the all-time greats), Leonard would go on to have embarrasing fights and losses to Terry Norris and the late Hector Mach Camacho. In fACT, lEONARD LAST LOST WAS A KNOCK OUT BY CAMACHO. Sad. Leonard also got hooked on coke and his post-Hagler career sucked. Hagler, on the other hand, has had his legend grow. Most I think dismiss the Leonard loss for the reasons I gave or dispute it outright.
@@alokobaju8288 that is true. BUT, a champion should at least be dominated or beaten clearly. Obviously Leonard did not meet that threshold if after all these years, people are still split 50/50 on eho deserved to win.
@@glennbullock1490 Where in the boxing role book does it say a champion has to be dominated? The people who taught Hagler won watched a different fight.
Richard Steele. “You’re holding Ray! Quit holding Ray! Ray you’re holding!” Over 30 times. No points taken away. Hooked Hagler’s neck with left hand while burying right in his face. Over and over. Then Ray catches decision. Smh
Hagler was bad ass. And very smart to leave boxing after the Leonard fight. 70's and 80's boxing was incredible. Use to watch many fights in a packed bar in central Square. Good to see sweeney
I was in a restaurant here in Italy a couple weeks ago that had a signed picture of Hagler over the counter - apparently he's a pretty loyal customer, goes there all the time. Pretty sure the dude still lives here in Italy, livin' the good life in his villa in Milan or something.
This fight was BRUTAL. It was so intense that you knew the fight wasn't going the distance. Tommy Hearns was a skilled warrior who could throw hands with the best of them, but on that night Hearns ran out of gas and Hagler took him out. Hagler eventually moved to Italy and became a movie actor in action films. Rest in peace, champ.
No, they made the Leone spaghetti westerns in Spain, in Italian, shot by an Italian director, Leone, soundtrack by an Italian Ennio Morricone, for English speaking audiences. You cannot top Leone and Morricone. It’s like Jagger and Richards, Lennon/ McCartney.
Its not a myth, Marvin told me himself. What a great guy, I'm blessed for having met he and his wife Kay back in the late nineties at Attitash Lodge in NH. He was still in shape. I got to express my dismay at Sugar Ray fight he lost by points. RIP Marvin. Thanks for your time at Attitash, a great memory. His wife from Milan, Italy had told me I was an attractive and nice guy...that I needed more confidence in myself. Also said "Americans are too hung up on their appearances alone." I hope she is well.
He got pinched for dui in north Conway I know i was drinking with him. My friend trained his daughter in shotakan. After Marvin got pinched in north Conway he left for Italy. Great guy
Hagler waited a year for a rematch got sick of waiting and then retired. Leonard was sly he held Hagler the whole fight. I know who won Mr.Hagler that's who!
That was well after Mugabe had knocked everyone out. After the Hablar fight, Mugabe was never really the same. He one some big fights but never regained his glory. Same shit happened to Donald Curry after that Lloyd Hunnigan fight.
Norris KO’d Mugabi ...Mugabi wasn’t the same after fighting Hagler, before he fought Mugabi..Hearns and Mugabi also put some wear on Hagler, he took a lot of hard shots from Hearns even though it was only 3rounds! Like that first round especially... and in round 2 and 3 Hagler ate a lot of hard shots before stopping Hearns in round 3..The ref checked Haglers forhead where Hearns busted Haglers head wide open, where it took 53 stiches to fix it , until Hagler destroyed hears in the 3rd round..The Ref in round 3 Richard Steele stooped the fight to have the dr look at it, Hagler knew he had to stop him quick, hears was wobbly legged still from the trading shots..Hagler stooped Hearns that fight took some out of Hagler there was a huge scar on Marvins fore head after the Hearns fight till the end of his life...Like Hearns broke his right hand on Marvins rock solid hard skull, in the 1st round. Hagler kept wading through Hearns punches and kept the pressure on and kept coming forward taking as much as he gave , from Hearns...Then Hagler he took Hearns completely out in round 3 after the dr checked the gash! Then after the Mugabi Hagler was urinating pure blood from the body shots he sub stained from Mugabi.. Before and especially after the Mugabi fight Haglers timing was a tad off, he wasn’t as sharp as accurate, and Leonard knew that. Hearns took some outta Hagler.. Leonard was live at the Mugabi fight noticed Hagler wasn’t as sharp as before..Then on top of that battle afterwards was the time to set up a fight..After he had had the fight after mugabi then yeah Leonard wanted to fight Hagler.. But Leonard didn’t want to fight Hagler when Hagler was at his best , like when he was under 30 before that Leonard wouldn’t dare fight Hagler at his best!
Sorry Joe.. Mugabi absolutely did not knock out Terry Norris. Norris knocked Mugabi out brutally in the 1st round in The Ring Magazine's 1990 knockout of the year. By the way, R.I.P. "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler. Just heard the news last night. My thoughts and prayers go out to your family champ.
RIP Marvelous Marvin Hagler, one of the greatest boxers ever
And Hagler legally changed his name to Marvelous, which is rather amazing!
Marvelous Marvin Hagler's legend continues to grow, as time goes on. Some fighters reputation decreases as time goes on, other increase. Hagler's has increased. Also, Hagler would have never thrown a fight, especially to Leonard. As time goes on, the consensus wisdom is this: Leonard waited Hagler out, waited until Hagler's skills eroded. then Leonard negotiated every single advantage for the fight: big gloves, big ring, 12 rounds instead of 15, and Leonard insisted on these advantages and gave Hagler extra money to make sure he got it. Also, Hagler, by then, had achieved greatest and had gotten respect. After beating Duran, Hearns and Mugabi, he was the undisputed pound for pound best, and was doing the Carson show and Right Guard commercials. In other words, Hagler didnt need Leonard anymore. If anything, Leonard needed Hagler because Leonard's legend had faded. Hagler was the man, and the problem that, is that he wasn't as hungry anymore. Hagler should have either not taken that fight, or fought that fight the way he fought Hearns--all out, not giving Leonard a chance to breathe. Anyhow, history is history, but it says alot about Hagler that even on that day, 50% of the fans and press thought he won, he was never hurt, stunned or wobbled, he wasnt cut or beat up in any way, and he looked like he could have fought for 15 more rounds. The one thing I thinked he lacked in that fight was hunger: his destruct and destroy wasn't there that night, and neither was his hands speed and reflexes. Leonard waited long enough for Hagler's skill and hunger to erode...just enough to ekk out a split decision victory. I cant think of anyone who believes Leonard would have beaten Hagler in their primes...not even Leonard. And, Leonard never cleanly beat Hagler. Lastly, whereas Hagler never embarrassed himself inside or outside the ring (no shame in losing to Leonard, one of the all-time greats), Leonard would go on to have embarrasing fights and losses to Terry Norris and the late Hector Mach Camacho. In fACT, lEONARD LAST LOST WAS A KNOCK OUT BY CAMACHO. Sad. Leonard also got hooked on coke and his post-Hagler career sucked. Hagler, on the other hand, has had his legend grow. Most I think dismiss the Leonard loss for the reasons I gave or dispute it outright.
You don't have to be hurt to loose a fight. You have more excuses than a cop shooting a running man in the back.
@@alokobaju8288 that is true. BUT, a champion should at least be dominated or beaten clearly. Obviously Leonard did not meet that threshold if after all these years, people are still split 50/50 on eho deserved to win.
@@glennbullock1490 Where in the boxing role book does it say a champion has to be dominated? The people who taught Hagler won watched a different fight.
@@glennbullock1490 Boxing is about points not domination.
Richard Steele. “You’re holding Ray! Quit holding Ray! Ray you’re holding!” Over 30 times. No points taken away. Hooked Hagler’s neck with left hand while burying right in his face. Over and over. Then Ray catches decision. Smh
Hagler was bad ass. And very smart to leave boxing after the Leonard fight. 70's and 80's boxing was incredible. Use to watch many fights in a packed bar in central Square. Good to see sweeney
PLEASE JOE GET HAGLER ON THE SHOW PLEASE!!!
I was in a restaurant here in Italy a couple weeks ago that had a signed picture of Hagler over the counter - apparently he's a pretty loyal customer, goes there all the time.
Pretty sure the dude still lives here in Italy, livin' the good life in his villa in Milan or something.
When you get robbed chasing a squirrel around the ring you tend to say fuck it.
The Eastwood movies were produced by Italians, but filmed in Spain.
Yes with alot of Italian actors playing as Mexicans of the old west and they did a great job
This fight was BRUTAL. It was so intense that you knew the fight wasn't going the distance.
Tommy Hearns was a
skilled warrior who could throw hands with the best of them, but on that night Hearns ran out of gas and Hagler took him out.
Hagler eventually moved to Italy and became a movie actor in action films.
Rest in peace, champ.
Does anyone know where I can get a clip of hagler shouting war on the beach?
Kentucky Fried Egg I am also looking
Rip Marvelous Marv. He was one of the best middleweights ever and P4P one of the best
No, they made the Leone spaghetti westerns in Spain, in Italian, shot by an Italian director, Leone, soundtrack by an Italian Ennio Morricone, for English speaking audiences. You cannot top Leone and Morricone. It’s like Jagger and Richards, Lennon/ McCartney.
@1:46 Brockton gets a mention on JRE. My lifes complete
508
Dont you know these people are dirty? dont ya want some poatatoes?
Joe “That’s it” Rogan.
I'll never forget that cut Hamsho had in that fight. It looked like Hagler pulled a box cutter on him.
Totally agree with Joe!
Joe's got a man crush on hagler...everything he talks about him
Like a lot of boxing fans😂😂
Marvin Hagler is the man. I was born in 88 but still am a fan of his work ethic. My favorite boxer of all time.
Its not a myth, Marvin told me himself. What a great guy, I'm blessed for having met he and his wife Kay back in the late nineties at Attitash Lodge in NH. He was still in shape. I got to express my dismay at Sugar Ray fight he lost by points. RIP Marvin. Thanks for your time at Attitash, a great memory.
His wife from Milan, Italy had told me I was an attractive and nice guy...that I needed more confidence in myself. Also said "Americans are too hung up on their appearances alone." I hope she is well.
must have been inspired by carlos monzon who had an acting career in italy and argentina
He got pinched for dui in north Conway I know i was drinking with him. My friend trained his daughter in shotakan. After Marvin got pinched in north Conway he left for Italy. Great guy
Hagler waited a year for a rematch got sick of waiting and then retired.
Leonard was sly he held Hagler the whole fight. I know who won Mr.Hagler that's who!
Rest in Eternal Peace Champ.
@Just think I'm so heartbroken. Marvelous Marvin was a Giant among men. Never Forget.
I watched several of Hagler’s movies in Mexico.
Why could he not advance movie career in Hollywood
Leonard would not give him a rematch. He should have. Never thought he won anyway.
R.I.P. Marvelous Marvin Hagler.
No Joe your wrong it was Terry Norris who knocked out John Mugambi in 1 round. Julian Jackson was the one who Knocked out Terry Norris in 2 rounds.
RIP to the legend.
RIP..
Terry Norris KO'd John Mugabe in round one
That was well after Mugabe had knocked everyone out. After the Hablar fight, Mugabe was never really the same. He one some big fights but never regained his glory. Same shit happened to Donald Curry after that Lloyd Hunnigan fight.
Oh, I see why you said that. Didn't know Joe botched it.
Norris KO’d Mugabi ...Mugabi wasn’t the same after fighting Hagler, before he fought Mugabi..Hearns and Mugabi also put some wear on Hagler, he took a lot of hard shots from Hearns even though it was only 3rounds! Like that first round especially... and in round 2 and 3 Hagler ate a lot of hard shots before stopping Hearns in round 3..The ref checked Haglers forhead where Hearns busted Haglers head wide open, where it took 53 stiches to fix it , until Hagler destroyed hears in the 3rd round..The Ref in round 3 Richard Steele stooped the fight to have the dr look at it, Hagler knew he had to stop him quick, hears was wobbly legged still from the trading shots..Hagler stooped Hearns that fight took some out of Hagler there was a huge scar on Marvins fore head after the Hearns fight till the end of his life...Like Hearns broke his right hand on Marvins rock solid hard skull, in the 1st round. Hagler kept wading through Hearns punches and kept the pressure on and kept coming forward taking as much as he gave , from Hearns...Then Hagler he took Hearns completely out in round 3 after the dr checked the gash! Then after the Mugabi Hagler was urinating pure blood from the body shots he sub stained from Mugabi.. Before and especially after the Mugabi fight Haglers timing was a tad off, he wasn’t as sharp as accurate, and Leonard knew that. Hearns took some outta Hagler.. Leonard was live at the Mugabi fight noticed Hagler wasn’t as sharp as before..Then on top of that battle afterwards was the time to set up a fight..After he had had the fight after mugabi then yeah Leonard wanted to fight Hagler.. But Leonard didn’t want to fight Hagler when Hagler was at his best , like when he was under 30 before that Leonard wouldn’t dare fight Hagler at his best!
joe "its entirely possible" rogan
Sorry Joe.. Mugabi absolutely did not knock out Terry Norris. Norris knocked Mugabi out brutally in the 1st round in The Ring Magazine's 1990 knockout of the year. By the way, R.I.P. "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler. Just heard the news last night. My thoughts and prayers go out to your family champ.
Another bullshit story hagler didn’t throw the fight .. it’s was a great close fight
R.I.P
Jesus Christ can this dude shut up and not interrupt for 5 seconds?
That guy with the black Goa-T was annoying.
E
First
You were second mate
First bitch