That national cafeteria food fight scenario, where Trump is made speaker of the house and Biden and Harris are impeached and removed, would be quite the spectacle.
10:06 It sounds to me as though Pastor Wilson is explaining this scripture like the parishioners cheirotoneó. But the scripture appears to read as though "They (Paul and Barnabas) cheirotoneó elders for them"
careful of Doug Wilson's rhetoric and don't get lost in Doug's "word salad." As the saying goes "And though the forest was shrinking, the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that since her handle was made of wood, she was one of them."
Interesting and pertinent information from Doug, as always! I always enjoy hearing his Biblical perspective on these issues. There is one area of concern that I have, however, regarding voting as a family (I'm talking about voting in local, state and federal government issues, not church government), as opposed to having both the husband and the wife vote. It would not be a fair representation unless everyone (Christian and non Christian alike) voted as families. For (an overly simplistic) example, suppose that the nation consisted of an equal number of Christian and non Christian families. Now suppose that all of the Christian husbands voted as heads of their families (whatever the issue, i.e., abortion, gay marriage, etc.) and all of the non Christian families voted individually (husband and wife) and opposite of how the Christian families voted. There would be two non Christian votes for every one vote by Christians. No legislation based on Biblical principles would ever pass (in this overly simplistic example).
What happened was Operation Warp Speed and Corona Virus Task Force along with support for red flag laws. Part of the calculus must be the instability of a candidate with no core other than selfish ambition. The problem was not so much the votes in the general election but that the church allowed Rush Limbaugh and Fox News to choose the primary winner. We all wanted our own bully and ignored Trump's long history. However corruption at the National Convention played a part as well.
THE PATRIOTS' PLEDGE I pledge allegiance to our President-In-Exile And to the Great MAGA Nation That stands by Him One people, united in our resolve To bring America forward Into a glorious new era Bright shining as the sun!
Question. If we vote by households, how do you define that? For example, I live in a tiny house on wheels which is parked on my daughter's property. Are we one or two households?
@@margaretwandel5660 that’s kind of a unique situation. My opinion would be you’d be individual households. Meaning she’s out of your house and no longer under your authority, whether you live on the property or not. Interesting to ponder.
@@jackgtx440 It is not as unique as you think. Multigenerational homes are the norm in most of the world and becoming more common in the U.S. I do not think voting by households makes sense. To say a wife's vote could cancel out her husband's vote is like saying my vote cancels out my neighbors. Individuals are easier to count and define.
Just to make people aware, democracy and republic have noted history back in Rome in B.C. . Christianity cannot lay claim to either of these. Secondly, it is possible to view voting as important and not some sort of sacrament. Also, it is a possible point of view that each adult citizen should be able to vote because they live in the place in which they are a citizen. Some of us non-conservatives are not exactly as you have heard us described to be. I encourage you to ask us our views instead of assuming what they are.
@@rockycomet4587 Well you weren't overly specific were you? You said king, so I looked up monarchies. I then used the research I did to answer your question. If you meant something else, maybe you should endeavor to be more clear.
Yet if we continue to reward bad behavior because we allow our choices to be so severely limited we will continue to play Russian Roulette with three chambers loaded.
20:57 I advise being prepared to vote (after thinking about it) but not insisting on voting if there is no good choice offered. John MacArthur rightly objects to abortion and a party that promotes it but I think he is too ready to support the other side with its different faults.
Thank You Very Much Douglas Wilson for your Ken,Intelligence,Lightheartedness,Knowledge. When voting I keep PSALM Seventy Three,I- SAIAH Sixty Four,JEREMIAH Seventeen in 🧠, at ♥️ The Three Person:FATHER,SON YESHUA HAMASHIACH,PARACLETE🕊are solid persons. Flesh,🦴,Blood 🧬 seem to expedient.
When was there a raid on trumps house? That makes it seem as though there wasn’t a search warrant. I cannot get behind someone who lies as he does, and while some laugh at the words he uses to describe people, I think it shows his personality. As did him paying for sex while his wife was pregnant with his child. As a woman who’s had four children that to me is not something I can look past. If he would do that to his wife, who he took an oath to in front of God, he can break his oath to people he doesn’t know, like the population of the United States.
God also determines who is saved , but that doesn’t absolve is from responsibility to act. He decrees the ends AND the means. HOW does He raise them up? By voting. No, my vote doesn’t change Gods decreedal will any more than my evangelizing changes the elect. BUT I have responsibilities to love my neighbor by doing whatever is in my power, such as voting , to stop evil men from ruling over them. Christians apply logic to politics that they don’t anywhere else, it’s a sign that we haven’t been discipled in this area at all
It's not "fatalism". It's recognizing the fact that God ultimately decides the destiny of a nation or kingdom as the sovereign Ruler of the universe. God uses ppl, but He hardly requires anybody's vote. That's why the model prayer in Matt. 6 says "may _Your_ will be done on earth".
Right...so you’ll just stand back while lawlessness and evil corrupt children and bring society to the brink of collapse, because a former president texted mean things and democrats have lost their minds? It is our Christian duty to speak truth and resist evil. I’d advise you to get off your high horse, and remember that you are a sinner like the rest of us who can offer nothing to God, but you can serve your neighbor in love by resisting evil. But before you do all that, read your bible again, and read it a little more closely.
@@stevenhooser9410 I agree with you about the corruption, but we still need to vote. We need to do it because it's the right thing to do, and we should always do right, regardless how hopeless or futile the situation may seem.
@@DeusEstPrimus America needs election reformation to bring confidence back into our voting system. People need assurance their vote won’t be manipulated or changed, unfortunately the prisoners are running the prison. Thankfully, because God’s sovereignty is allowing this to occur, I don’t have any doubt that God is working all things for the good of those who love Him.
Went to christian school for 10 years growing up. I was told that God is an invisible man who lived in the sky. He gave us 10 commandments that we must follow to abide in his grace. Also, that we must worship him because is all that is good. We read the Bible every day and attended service 3X per week. When we studied the Bible, I read that God destroyed his enemies, He really did a number on the Egyptians too. The Bible has Fathers killing their sons, and other unbelievable atrocities. I read that Noah was 700 years old, there was a talking snake, etc. When I grew up, I realized that the Bible is NOT the word of God, but rather written by people that believed (at the time), that the earth was flat. When I got to college, and later to Graduate level studies, and thus , critical thinking, I felt deceived by my Pastor and ALL of my "Christian" education so long ago. I now consider Religion, ALL religions as the greatest B.S. story ever told. The Christian voter? Really? How do you pull God into voting? Me thinks that you are obviously pushing a personal agenda for your "followers" . I too was a "follower" once. That is until I learned to think for myself.
It was my university study of philosophy and religion that convinced me of the veracity of the biblical texts and of humanity's universal need for the Gospel. Since humans are worshiping creatures who all have worldviews based upon unproven assumptions (yes, even "science" is grounded in faith), what would be your substitute for biblical revelation?
@@mchristr Is science faith-based though? I thought it was based on hypothesis and experiment, also the field self-corrects so we are always approaching the best, most accurate explanation - unlike religious texts! Science is based on proving / demonstrating the veracity of assumptions, whereas questioning or trying to prove the truthfulness of religious claims is totally discouraged within the religion; Muhammad flying on a horse, Eve being made from a rib, etc.
You seem to be offended by a God who destroys his enemies. Don’t they all? If you step out of line, and openly defy deified “science,” won’t you be destroyed by the priests and kings of “science”? The question is not whether, but which. And you may say, “Okay, but religious deities (like the God of the Bible) punish their enemies with death, while secular deities (if there is such a thing) punish much more lightly.” Are you sure? Are you sure that the difference in punishments is really a difference in principle, and not a difference in time (a kind of social evolution, where ostracism has become or is becoming preferable to violence across all societies)? People who were subjected to COVID tyranny, for example, discovered first hand how gentle the god of “science” can be. The god of climate change “science” is working assiduously to provoke a worldwide famine. Science and reason are not gentle or benevolent deities. They are unrighteous gods, groping blindly for the truth because they have turned off the Light.
@@ericmatthaei9711 i think you’re getting confused between the literal and the metaphorical.. There is no actual deity of science, or climate change, but you do believe in a supreme divine being, right? Being disagreed with, discredited or even blocked from twitter is in no way equivalent to the stonings demanded by the biblical god, or His other punishments!
@@aallen5256 "Science" as religion is the belief that all knowledge is accessible through the scientific method. We cannot point to some specific, unified, all-encompassing personification of "Science" demanding worship (certain recent pretenders notwithstanding), and certainly the idol is a false or unreal god; but this doesn't make it a metaphor. Dame Reason, if you want to give her a name, demands real devotion, and seeks the real destruction of people who do not worship her. Maybe the literal/metaphorical dichotomy was meant to distinguish stoning from public shaming, and certainly the two things are not alike, except that they are both real (or "literal") and clearly not metaphorical.
That national cafeteria food fight scenario, where Trump is made speaker of the house and Biden and Harris are impeached and removed, would be quite the spectacle.
SO MUCH FOR THAT FANTASY 😂
Good insight. Thank you.
Well said Pastor. Well said
Super interesting. Thanks!
10:06 It sounds to me as though Pastor Wilson is explaining this scripture like the parishioners cheirotoneó. But the scripture appears to read as though "They (Paul and Barnabas) cheirotoneó elders for them"
He’s being disingenuous to fit his agenda. You are correct. This was Paul and Barnabas selecting elders, not the congregation!
Protect our thoughts
Great examples, thank you
Thanks, great information!
Doug has been having a deep cough in a lot of the videos lately, I hope he’s doing ok.
I have noticed that also I hope he is well. Let's be praying for him.
Too many cigars
@@TheAudbbgirl 😅
@@TheAudbbgirl Propranolol?
@@TheAudbbgirl
Cigars aren’t inhaled, are they?
careful of Doug Wilson's rhetoric and don't get lost in Doug's "word salad." As the saying goes "And though the forest was shrinking, the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that since her handle was made of wood, she was one of them."
Interesting and pertinent information from Doug, as always! I always enjoy hearing his Biblical perspective on these issues.
There is one area of concern that I have, however, regarding voting as a family (I'm talking about voting in local, state and federal government issues, not church government), as opposed to having both the husband and the wife vote. It would not be a fair representation unless everyone (Christian and non Christian alike) voted as families.
For (an overly simplistic) example, suppose that the nation consisted of an equal number of Christian and non Christian families. Now suppose that all of the Christian husbands voted as heads of their families (whatever the issue, i.e., abortion, gay marriage, etc.) and all of the non Christian families voted individually (husband and wife) and opposite of how the Christian families voted. There would be two non Christian votes for every one vote by Christians. No legislation based on Biblical principles would ever pass (in this overly simplistic example).
cracks me up how much people underestimate Trump. Let's see what happens
What happened was Operation Warp Speed and Corona Virus Task Force along with support for red flag laws. Part of the calculus must be the instability of a candidate with no core other than selfish ambition. The problem was not so much the votes in the general election but that the church allowed Rush Limbaugh and Fox News to choose the primary winner. We all wanted our own bully and ignored Trump's long history. However corruption at the National Convention played a part as well.
Lol let’s see what happens? His presidency ended in treason. Was that not enough?!
@@DM-dk7js you just made a false statement.
Well we know one thing that happened during his first term: child sacrifices increased by 8%…
The fuck if he did@@OGDreamer
I thought David was selected by God? And ordained by a prophet?
He's obviously not!
Rosseau is up there with Darwin, Freud, and Dewey as the great monsters of history
lol super weird Hitler isn’t a part of that list of monsters. Just some really, really smart people instead.
@@DM-dk7js Hitler came from their ideology, their worldview. He was their spawn
THE PATRIOTS' PLEDGE
I pledge allegiance to our President-In-Exile
And to the Great MAGA Nation
That stands by Him
One people, united in our resolve
To bring America forward
Into a glorious new era
Bright shining as the sun!
Question. If we vote by households, how do you define that? For example, I live in a tiny house on wheels which is parked on my daughter's property. Are we one or two households?
Does your daughter have a husband?
@@jackgtx440 No.
@@margaretwandel5660 that’s kind of a unique situation. My opinion would be you’d be individual households. Meaning she’s out of your house and no longer under your authority, whether you live on the property or not. Interesting to ponder.
@@jackgtx440 It is not as unique as you think. Multigenerational homes are the norm in most of the world and becoming more common in the U.S. I do not think voting by households makes sense. To say a wife's vote could cancel out her husband's vote is like saying my vote cancels out my neighbors. Individuals are easier to count and define.
Antichrist!
Cult Leader Doug Wilson, you are at the top of the system you created. What is that crap about 'democracy'? You are the boss.
Just to make people aware, democracy and republic have noted history back in Rome in B.C. . Christianity cannot lay claim to either of these.
Secondly, it is possible to view voting as important and not some sort of sacrament. Also, it is a possible point of view that each adult citizen should be able to vote because they live in the place in which they are a citizen.
Some of us non-conservatives are not exactly as you have heard us described to be. I encourage you to ask us our views instead of assuming what they are.
Is Christ king or not?
@@rockycomet4587 Of the 43 current monarchies, none have a king by that name.
@@joejohnson9499 That's not what I was asking.
@@rockycomet4587 Well you weren't overly specific were you? You said king, so I looked up monarchies. I then used the research I did to answer your question. If you meant something else, maybe you should endeavor to be more clear.
@@joejohnson9499 Are you really this dense, or are you just putting on?
Yet if we continue to reward bad behavior because we allow our choices to be so severely limited we will continue to play Russian Roulette with three chambers loaded.
2:35 Elders and Overseers are the same (Acts 20 v17-28) so if you didn't know better you'd think Presbyterians and Episcopalians were the same.
20:57 I advise being prepared to vote (after thinking about it) but not insisting on voting if there is no good choice offered. John MacArthur rightly objects to abortion and a party that promotes it but I think he is too ready to support the other side with its different faults.
Thank You Very Much Douglas Wilson for your Ken,Intelligence,Lightheartedness,Knowledge.
When voting I keep PSALM Seventy Three,I-
SAIAH Sixty Four,JEREMIAH Seventeen in 🧠,
at ♥️ The Three Person:FATHER,SON YESHUA
HAMASHIACH,PARACLETE🕊are solid persons.
Flesh,🦴,Blood 🧬 seem to expedient.
When was there a raid on trumps house? That makes it seem as though there wasn’t a search warrant. I cannot get behind someone who lies as he does, and while some laugh at the words he uses to describe people, I think it shows his personality. As did him paying for sex while his wife was pregnant with his child. As a woman who’s had four children that to me is not something I can look past. If he would do that to his wife, who he took an oath to in front of God, he can break his oath to people he doesn’t know, like the population of the United States.
i don't. God raises kings up and he tears them down .. the end
There's a name for that....... Fatalism.
@@lukusmaximus well it's true so saith Daniel and only slaves vote for masters .. your vote doesn't count that's the truth it's a giant charade
God also determines who is saved , but that doesn’t absolve is from responsibility to act. He decrees the ends AND the means. HOW does He raise them up? By voting. No, my vote doesn’t change Gods decreedal will any more than my evangelizing changes the elect. BUT I have responsibilities to love my neighbor by doing whatever is in my power, such as voting , to stop evil men from ruling over them. Christians apply logic to politics that they don’t anywhere else, it’s a sign that we haven’t been discipled in this area at all
@@nathanielkeane8462 i mean you can vote by all means it won't do anything because there all globalists but if helps you to feel better then go ahead
It's not "fatalism". It's recognizing the fact that God ultimately decides the destiny of a nation or kingdom as the sovereign Ruler of the universe. God uses ppl, but He hardly requires anybody's vote. That's why the model prayer in Matt. 6 says "may _Your_ will be done on earth".
The democrats spoiled their party, i’m not interested in voting anymore. Nov 8th will be an ordinary day for me.
Yep, not our world not our country not our politics not our currency.
Jesus is our king
We are monarchist
Right...so you’ll just stand back while lawlessness and evil corrupt children and bring society to the brink of collapse, because a former president texted mean things and democrats have lost their minds?
It is our Christian duty to speak truth and resist evil. I’d advise you to get off your high horse, and remember that you are a sinner like the rest of us who can offer nothing to God, but you can serve your neighbor in love by resisting evil. But before you do all that, read your bible again, and read it a little more closely.
@@DeusEstPrimus The corruption is off the charts, who is going to count the votes?
@@stevenhooser9410 I agree with you about the corruption, but we still need to vote. We need to do it because it's the right thing to do, and we should always do right, regardless how hopeless or futile the situation may seem.
@@DeusEstPrimus America needs election reformation to bring confidence back into our voting system. People need assurance their vote won’t be manipulated or changed, unfortunately the prisoners are running the prison. Thankfully, because God’s sovereignty is allowing this to occur, I don’t have any doubt that God is working all things for the good of those who love Him.
Donald John Trump can be a sound advisor as
well if not a presidential candidate 🧶🧭🧵
You get advice from convicted felons and sex abusers? Weird.
You voted for Hillary ? 😮
No, he voted for a different candidate in the primary and didn't vote in the general. (If my memory is correct)
Went to christian school for 10 years growing up. I was told that God is an invisible man who lived in the sky. He gave us 10 commandments that we must follow to abide in his grace. Also, that we must worship him because is all that is good. We read the Bible every day and attended service 3X per week. When we studied the Bible, I read that God destroyed his enemies, He really did a number on the Egyptians too. The Bible has Fathers killing their sons, and other unbelievable atrocities. I read that Noah was 700 years old, there was a talking snake, etc. When I grew up, I realized that the Bible is NOT the word of God, but rather written by people that believed (at the time), that the earth was flat. When I got to college, and later to Graduate level studies, and thus , critical thinking, I felt deceived by my Pastor and ALL of my "Christian" education so long ago. I now consider Religion, ALL religions as the greatest B.S. story ever told.
The Christian voter? Really? How do you pull God into voting? Me thinks that you are obviously pushing a personal agenda for your "followers" . I too was a "follower" once. That is until I learned to think for myself.
It was my university study of philosophy and religion that convinced me of the veracity of the biblical texts and of humanity's universal need for the Gospel. Since humans are worshiping creatures who all have worldviews based upon unproven assumptions (yes, even "science" is grounded in faith), what would be your substitute for biblical revelation?
@@mchristr Is science faith-based though? I thought it was based on hypothesis and experiment, also the field self-corrects so we are always approaching the best, most accurate explanation - unlike religious texts! Science is based on proving / demonstrating the veracity of assumptions, whereas questioning or trying to prove the truthfulness of religious claims is totally discouraged within the religion; Muhammad flying on a horse, Eve being made from a rib, etc.
You seem to be offended by a God who destroys his enemies. Don’t they all? If you step out of line, and openly defy deified “science,” won’t you be destroyed by the priests and kings of “science”? The question is not whether, but which. And you may say, “Okay, but religious deities (like the God of the Bible) punish their enemies with death, while secular deities (if there is such a thing) punish much more lightly.” Are you sure? Are you sure that the difference in punishments is really a difference in principle, and not a difference in time (a kind of social evolution, where ostracism has become or is becoming preferable to violence across all societies)? People who were subjected to COVID tyranny, for example, discovered first hand how gentle the god of “science” can be. The god of climate change “science” is working assiduously to provoke a worldwide famine. Science and reason are not gentle or benevolent deities. They are unrighteous gods, groping blindly for the truth because they have turned off the Light.
@@ericmatthaei9711 i think you’re getting confused between the literal and the metaphorical.. There is no actual deity of science, or climate change, but you do believe in a supreme divine being, right? Being disagreed with, discredited or even blocked from twitter is in no way equivalent to the stonings demanded by the biblical god, or His other punishments!
@@aallen5256 "Science" as religion is the belief that all knowledge is accessible through the scientific method. We cannot point to some specific, unified, all-encompassing personification of "Science" demanding worship (certain recent pretenders notwithstanding), and certainly the idol is a false or unreal god; but this doesn't make it a metaphor. Dame Reason, if you want to give her a name, demands real devotion, and seeks the real destruction of people who do not worship her.
Maybe the literal/metaphorical dichotomy was meant to distinguish stoning from public shaming, and certainly the two things are not alike, except that they are both real (or "literal") and clearly not metaphorical.