The Tudor Pelagos Is Better Than The Rolex Submariner.
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Tudor and Rolex...brothers...sisters...enemies. Today Michael makes the daring choice of telling Christian that the Tudor Pelagos is a better watch than the Rolex Submariner. Is he correct? Has Rolex finally gone too far with their price to quality ratio? Or does Tudor cut corners/miss something that Rolex has?
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Rolex has to use the same materials and for the money i totally agree.............nice click bait
I’ve owned a Pelagos LHD for the last two years and it’s a fantastic watch. It regularly gets compliments, more so than my Rolex, which I love but is very common to all finance bros, tech bros, lawyers and doctors. Each time you get on a plane, take a look at the wrists as you’re boarding. You’re typically gonna see several black subs on the way to your seat. Love it but unfortunately, there’s nothing special anymore about a standard black Rolex Submariner
I just brought LHD pelagos 3 weeks back and haven’t been able to put it away . All my assumptions about it being bulky , Rolex wannabe are put to rest . This watch is as perfect as you can get for a diver. You are right about the Rolex sub.
I got the LHD last year amazing watch
When wearing my Tudor: "nice watch".
When wearing my Rolex: "is it real or fake?"
I'm with Michael on this. Ignoring the price and brand, just looking at the watch and how it's built... the Pelagos beats the Sub. With the Rolex you're buying brand and status. With the Tudor you're buying a great watch.
Also a correction, the movement in the Pelagos is a Tudor in-house movement, not at all related to ETA. I would argue it's a BETTER movement than the Rolex as it has a silicon balance spring, on top of the full balance bridge and 70 hour power reserve..
The mark up on the Rolex is huge...it's a polished turd
Older pelagos were eta
Prices aren’t ever justified - it’s luxury watches. If we want to go down that path none of these watches are “worth it” in the truest sense
Yeah, watches are rich people items to flaunt wealth
@@cuh720 for some it’s all about status. That’s a small piece of it to me but the majority of the time I sit around my house and enjoy them. They genuinely give me pleasure regardless who sees them or not, but they’re obviously overpriced. I’m OK with it though - I’m fascinated by fine craftsmanship
@@Arc1517 people like you and I that enjoy these over priced items for their history and craftsmanship are in the minority.
Prices are not justified for something that tells time since you can get a $25 watch or just use your phone. But the prices are justified when you account for the craftsmanship, heritage, and culture.
I don’t get why people complicate the situation.
If you want a nice mechanical watch, you have various brands to choose from, and each has to make a profit, as does the shop selling it to you.
It’s no different to most other things.
The nicer it gets, the more it costs generally.
If people think the cheaper stuff is just as nice …….. just go buy it.
If people want to use sundial or their phone…… just do that. Simples 😉
I like them both. My problem with the sub is everyone has it. I see them everywhere. I hardly see the pelagos. I like the not so popular rolex watches. Milgauss, gmt root beer, rhodium Yachtmaster. Etc
I used to have a milgauss (the blackface version). That was a great what and hugely underrated for what it was. The only thing I hated about it was the high polish finish, just a scratch magnet. I mean it’s always described as a “tool watch” but the high polish just never matched with that. If they had a brushed finish version it would be a huge seller IMHO.
Love the Milgauss but I hate the polished center links. They look absolutely horrible when scratches pop up and I'm not someone with worries about scratches but on polished center links they look terrible. Polished center links are the worst choice for a sports watch ⌚
Strongly agree
And 9 out of 10 subs are fakes
@@Gregory637 I can see that being true. Maybe not 9 out of 10. But a large percentage. Rolex just isn't what It once was. Kinda becoming blah.
Alot of people would choose pelagos over submariner. And not due to the Rolex's price hike but from sheer design and specs aspect.
I have been critical of past videos but credit is due for this one. One of the best videos so far even including the ad and finishing with Lange, what a beautiful piece.
Can’t wait to see the color(s) that they release for this model.
I was on holiday in Sicily on a boat this week. I was talking to a Brit before we took our "banio" in the Tyrrhenian sea. Met a really nice English fellow named Steve. Our wives refused to dive in, Steve and I did while bobbing in a great body of water I said Steve I am a watch geek I think you have a GMT on a hard to tell the brand. He said its a BATMAN but I thought maybe a Pepsi BUT could not see any red and yes my eyes suck. I replied "yeah I have the "little brother a Tudor Pelagos" blue dial. He replied 'yeah I noticed it right away'.
I am the one who'd rather have a pelagos than a submariner. Idk I just don't care about the submariners. The older ones are neat but that's about it
If you don't care about "brand prestige" (which I certainly don't), the Pelagos is hands down the better watch.
If both were available at retail I think quite a few would go for the Pelagos. I have both, love them both and think they are very different watches.
Only the Pelagos is a watch.
A Rolex is a token of bad taste.
@@nessuno6110what a clown. Are you available for jobs? Sparky the clown, how you doing fruit cake? I need you for a gig. Lol.
I really liked the Pelagos on paper but in the metal I was underwhelmed. The bezel action was really good and the size was nice on my wrist but damn it is so light! The lightness combined with what felt like quite a flimsy bracelet meant it felt like far less of a quality product than the Submariner. Granted they aren’t the same price but the Pelagos isn’t really a Submariner alternative. I would go Omega instead.
Agreed exactly how i felt when I tried it on.
I’d say the Pelagos is better than the Sub on paper, but I’d rather have a sea dweller 4000- the model that briefly came in between the older style 40mm 16600 sea dweller and the monster sea dwellers after like the James Cameron. It has the 40mm size, no date bubble and the higher depth rating (just to boast about don’t think anyone takes a dive watch that deep these days) PLUS it has the modern solid link bracelet and machined clasp as opposed to the 16600 which has the old hollow links and stamped bracelet.
@@arghjayem Definitely Agree with you on the Sea dweller 4k...if you're going for the last 2015 models 💯💯
@@arghjayem I’d be surprised if after having both in hand you thought the Pelagos was the one to have over the Submariner. I’ve never had a Sea Dweller in hand, the current looks too big for me personally but the older version sounds good 👍
The lightness is why they used Titanium I love my light titanium bracelet
Maybe I am a luddite, but when I'm spending THOUDANDS, I don't want paint blob indices and spray-bombed hands. Would love to see more effort in this area.
They aren’t painted indices.
Saying the Tudor in-house is based on an ETA... idk if that's true? Aren't they made by the now integrated Kenissi, that also makes Breitling and Norqain movements?
Correct. Coming back to this video reminds me how bad some of their takes are!
It’s a great strategic move by Tudor. Getting customers that have that budget in mind, like the connection with Rolex, or like Tudor. Scooping up customers from the competition is never a bad thing.
Tudor Pelagos design looks way better than Rolex...hands down.
They’re great when the lume isn’t falling out of the bezel!
For the price you do get more with Tudor’s watches in general. But you can’t deny the history and status that the Sub has. For the same price, any reasonable person would take the Sub. But I don’t think it’s worth over twice as much at retail and three times as much in the market today. But out of these two watches, I’d probably stick with the BB58. The black gilt has more character than either in my opinion and it’s even cheaper than the Pelagos especially second hand. I’ve seen them on straps as low as $2,500 and on a bracelet as low as $2,800. That’s where I’d go and spend the difference on a nice dress watch and a GShock to complete a perfect 3 watch collection.
If you live in an European capital and take public transportation often, you definitely would prefer the Tudor rather than the Rolex.
That’s exactly what I did. Got myself a BB58 with black dial and Day-date 36mm in platinum as my dress watch. Now saving the money for Casio Gshock.
Getting the watch with fauxtina, fake rivits and fake looking gold is not a better proposition.
@@ppbur if you don’t like those elements, get the Blue dial and an aftermarket bracelet. Plenty of options. Or just buy something else. Not every watch is made for everyone, buy whatever you like to look at the most.
@@brett233 I indeed did get another watch. Just got my P39 not long ago as my 1st Tudor. Really enjoying apart from minor details (long clasp & cheap looking hands)
I think the title is absolutely correct it’s better in a few ways but doesn’t pretend to be a submariner in my opinion
Not a big fan of either, but I like the look of the Submariner a lot better. The proportions in particular.
With the Tudor Pelagos I like the size, price and brushed finish. Also, you will be less likely to get robbed.
I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one hoping to see a blue version of the new Pelagos. Hopefully it's that same slightly muted blue of the FXD. Come on, Tudor!
Yes! Original Pelagos blue please. I also wouldn't mind if they came out with a new color just to change things up. If I were a designer I'd do one with an army green somewhat glossed finish and bright safety-orange text.
@@goboogeeee Army green! I like your thinking on that.
I love my pelagos 39. The weight of the ti and the thin case makes it disappear on my wrist. I really like the sub but the value just isnt there and id rather have a watch that isnt on everyone's wrist.
Rolex is shiny, while the Tudor is more subdued. Most people don’t even understand watch movements or how it all works. Most people are told what to think and how to think about brands and configurations of a watch. Marketing has worked on people and the vast majority of luxury watch buyers have bought into the lies.
I’m torn; not sure if the Lange clashed with the odd green fleece, or if that in itself was an incredibly German combination.
Either way, such a unique and gorgeous find, I’m sure the future owner will be more than happy.
They didn’t even mention the Tudor is Titanium and Rolex is SS
The ratio of ads to actual content was terrible this video
Today on UA-cam in many videos it’s been bad. I’d hate skipping ads, hoping the creators are getting some $$$, but I got the same > 1 min video game 3x in 3 straight videos.
Don’t the bezel lume plots keep falling out of people’s P39’s?
These guys are like Matryoshka dolls: full of themselves
What brand is that rugby shirt? I love it!
The narrative is that Tudor is a bit of a test bed for Rolex with their more adventurous and creative designs. Given that Tudor is leading the charge with 39's (and with much success); will be interesting to see whether Rolex begins migrating to smaller case sizes next year or the year after.
Did anybody else catch Christian use the word "Pelagi" as plural for "Pelagos"? And did anyone else think it was as funny as I did? 🤣
The Rolex Sub has become jewelry, the Pelagos is a pure tool, a work instrument. They are completely different watches. I've worn the Pelagos 42 for four years working offshore .Lightweight yet chunky titanium tank, worn on the rubber strap, bashed daily, immersed in oil, grease and rancid sea water it has never missed a beat. I'd be scared to wear a Sub for work but Ill always have a Pelagos on my wrist for as long as I work.
Good point. I agree.
Any watch is whatever you want it to be. My sub has been beaten very hard.
What got me is when you guys said ok if both watches are the same price which one would you get? Made me think that I would get the pelagos
I can’t see someone buying one of these two watches for diving. I’ll take the Rolex all day every day
Pelagos vs old five digit subs wins by far. The new Sub is on another level, but old ones aren’t even comparable…
42 Pelagos half the price and made from ti, much better watch
not a fair comparison, I have tried on both and own a submariner, I was a bit shocked at the dial of the Tudor, it appeared a bit blank.
The way I approach this question with any item I purchase is simple. If no one ever saw the watch but me, so external opinions have no play, which one would I choose?
Winter drip on Michael w the flannel
The Rolex is better, but the Tudor is a better value
The Tudor Pelagos 42 is an absolutely classically / timeless watch.
The Pelegos is another really well thought of and creative watch by Tudor, continuing to innovate when some brands *cough *cough aren’t. Rather than currently just changing colors and being incredibly hard to get ;)
I love the way Americans pronounce foreign names.
The Tudor being better than the sub is like say that a woman that a 6 is better than a woman that's a 8 because with the 6 you've have the chance to give her some bedroom action whereas with the 8.....you'll be waiting until they give away free pork sausages in Mecca and Tel Aviv.....
I chose a BB58 over the Submariner and, yes, I could afford either. I could afford both. Submariner is a giant slab of expensive metal that didn't come in a size that fits my wrist.
So last year I was offered a Submariner from an AD that the original person who requested it had just turned down. I had never asked for or shown interest in one. I respectfully declined. I have requested the new Pelagos from three ADs. The only Tudor I have truly gone after.
Christian, where is your awesome sweater from ?
The Real McCoy's?
Having tired on both, I prefer the Pelagos 39... lighter, less bling, more tool watch, contemporary design. The only downside is there is only the no-date version as yet in 39mm.
I have 4 Tudor pieces 1 airking 1 sub stop it nothing matches the sub the 2 best tudors are 58 925 and fxd mn21 i have both
Loved how I was expecting one thing based on the title and then and then it shifted in the video. Awesome stuff!!
Tudor Pelagos is better than the submariner? Get a grip guys, it just isn't. Tudor and Rolex are not the same company at all. Pelagos is a great watch but it is half the price and yes half the watch. Wait ten years and see which one is better in terms of value and history . This said, the Pelagos is a tool watch and the latest Subs are a bit bling...perhaps. I have a 16610 1993 tritium dial. It has been on my wrist for nearly thirty years and is banged up and used but still deadly accurate and is worth 10k..now!
The qualities of an object cannot be summed up either by its price or by the increase in this price.
I love the Pelagos 39, but let's face it, aside from the clasp, it's not even better than the BB58, let alone the Sub.
Hey @tudorwatch, make an LHD in 39m if you're reading this. Keep the same color scheme, matt dial, creme/beige markers, red text and dates, and the same proportions. You can drop the helium escape valve and water resistance but keep everything else the same, and it's my ideal watch. The 42m watch immaculates men with smaller wrists when it's supposed to accentuate their masculinity. Watches are like suits. Too small, and you look feminine. Too big, and you look like you're a child. Just right, and there's magic. The Pelagos LHD is a modern-day Sean Connery Bond watch. The tan markers add a sense of strength; the matt dial and titanium materials are the best available, and the LHD keeps the watch purely functional, even for right-handed people who don't need the crown digging into the back of their hands. Please keep it going.
The new blue Tudor sub in 39mm is probably my favorite piece in their modern line up
What 39mm blue sub???? Such a watch doesn’t exist.
@@davidb9531 it do, tho.
@@timothyacowin9761 ooooook bud
This may be unpopular but I really didn't like the Tudor 39mm Pelagos when I tried it on. It was so very boring! That shiny bezel and dull slick dial. Just very bog standard, compared to the original Pelagos. Honestly if I'm going to get a diver next, it'll be a Bond era Seamaster in good condition. Elegant and beautiful
If the 39mm Pelagos came out with a flat blue bezel, it may be cool... but they need to have some soul. I find them far too .... predictable maybe
Even the bb58 is a better choice
You’re not the only one, it is boring.
Agree. I think the dull and flat nature of the titanium doesn't give the watch the allure that the Rolex has especially
@@diavalus thank you. I think the point is not to go with hype. Just get what YOU really like.. and sometimes hype for Rolex and tudor can be so strong that you forget that maybe actually those watches are not the only options
@@christianellopm I've gone off modern Rolex as I'm not willing to play these stupid games. Omega, IWC, JLC and many others. Those are watches I'll wear with pride. My only serious watch is IWC Mark XVI and I feel more proud wearing that than a Rolex... and it's a stunning watch for 3k
@@Valera_Scotland I don't disagree with you. The enjoyment has certainly been taken out of the purchase. And there are many other watches that demand respect as equal alternatives. I have always preferred the pre 90's Rolex
.. I feel they still have that allure and charm that got many people into watches and they just wear better. P.s - I think you're onto something re the bond Seamaster. Just need to get the right configuration!
Comparing the lume issue is tricky because Rolex doesn’t lume the bezel. There are incidences of the lume pip falling out of the sub. So, lume can always fall out, when it’s present. The lume doesn’t fall out of the vast majority of Pelagos watches, but it’s not even present in 100% of Subs. Not saying which is better. I have and love a Pelagos and have only handled Subs briefly.
Came on. There is no such thing as a "tool watch" both are a piece of jewelry. The only tool watches have computers inside.
I bought an LHD titanium, so far it has been really good, the weekend I prefer Omega Mark 40.
Comparing a Tudor to a submariner is like comparing bmw with rolls Royce, sure bmw is cheaper has more features is owned by same company but Rolex Is Rolex just like Rolls Royce.
Love the Peli but proportions always felt a touch off to me
The backpack is nice, but I don’t see that color on the website. Any ideas?
I have both and I disagree! Sub is just an awesome piece!!! I love it! my Santos is a 2nd place.
1. Submariner ceramic/ Bluesy 41mm
2. Santos
3. Sea master Diver (Panda)
4. Explorer 2
5. BB58
6. Mont Blac
7. Date Just 41
8. Breitling
9. Pelagos
Hey guys great vid as usual 👌🏽 the Pelagos for half the price for the same quality wins hands down. Have you guys checked out the new Escudo Ocean Seacrest ? Oracle Time magazine has given it an amazing review and compared it to a Tudor and again half the price. 👌🏽
worse than the OG pelly but still better than a sub
Define best?. For TCO the sub wins hands down as it has great residuals , as i dont intend to sell my pelagos LHD thats a moot point . I wouldnt buy a sub date ever due to cylops wouldnt buy a sub either , the explorer yes damn right i would buy but not the sub so the pelagos wins for me .
The Submariner is just prettier.
Companies are always reluctant to poach their flagship model sales with a lower model that's "too good." I prefer the philosophy of "if we don't poach our own sales, someone else will." You want that sale, even if it comes at the expense of your flagship. Don't leave a void for your competition.
That’s solid business strategy - except for talking about the Sub. Rolex could make 10x and sell them all at retail by COB next Thursday.
@@WestCoastAce27 Competition can capitalize on a supply/demand mismatch just as easily as they can a gap in price/performance. At least in my mind.
Rolex has a bad image in my private environment. Car salesmen wear Submariners.
For me, the 14060M came into question, it went back to the dealer. Felt cheap.
New Submariners are better, of course, but they are also extremely flashy, visually. Embarrassing ;-)
The Pelagos 39 is simply the better watch, for me. Price did not play a role in my decision.
No chance! Sub is an absolute classic and always will be
No way, given the choice, everyone would choose a Sub. And I’m not hating but biased, I have 3 subs and the 42 Pelagos. I’m going t pick up the 39mm.
Sub is definitely dressier. And Christian needs to bring some numbers to the table on his alleged quality issue with the Pelagos bezel. And the warranty is plenty long with all new Tudors. Yeah, having to send a watch away for a while sucks - but hardly a catastrophe.
But your ‘double the price’ - try 4 or 5x for the prevailing grey rates (new).
Michael - the Shadow is kickass. 👍
“Metallurgy” The science behind the materials of metal is laughing at everyone that just doesn’t understand lol but in other words titanium>steel
Agree. You probably heard my laugh at the comment a few pages above yours from the ‘shocked’ watch guy who thought the Pelagos was too light.
He’d probably wet himself if someone handed him a composite skin off an airplane.
I like how this guy that lives at home brags that he can buy a sub.... I think most people can affortd it.. having said that.. . i really enjoy this channel and their insights.... really knowledgeable guys 😊
Great video guys. Keep them coming. Here's my two cents. If you want to say the sub is better looking, has a finer pedigree, is more reliable, or that it's "more luxurious" you can make those arguments. But if you say the sub is jewelry and the pelagos isn't, I don't think that argument holds water. If the primary difference between the Pelagos and the Sub is that the Sub is a piece of jewelry then the Tudor is what? A tool watch? A function first, no-BS reliable watch whose primary purpose is to be legible, waterproof, and accurately measure elapsed time while diving? Ok but by the way, it costs 4500 dollars. There goes the no-frills argument. Try explaining that to a non-watch person diver and you might get a funny look. There are any number of dive computers and quartz watches that do all of those things better for a few hundred bucks or less. The reason it costs 4500 dollars is that its a well made mechanical time piece bringing you not just rugged dive-watch functionality but also swiss tradition, brand pedigree, and a handsome luxurious (sub the word "expensive" if you feel that term doesn't apply here) aesthetics. In other words "jewelry." In other words, BS. I'm a diver. Among the watches I own are a tudor diver, a rolex diver, and 2 or 3 dress watches as well. I love them all for what they are. But let's be real. What they are is jewelry.
Hey Christian what year from the 80's did you get that rugby shirt from. 83 or 84?
You guys are great! fun nice to see refreshing videos, thank you
Sweet rugger jersey.
I feel if u guys show have the actual watches on the video. Visually more appealing.
History doesn't make an item better it just has more history
Narrator : Then there were my father and mother, two people who could find an argument in any subject.
Father : Wait, you think the Atlantic is a greater ocean than the Pacific?
Mother : No. Have it your way. The Pacific is greater.
I would rather have and do have the pelagos. When people see your rolex they'll just assume it's fake, wrongly or not. I want something that is more under the radar.
Or that you have a rich dad. Or are a poser. Christian was right - the Sub in its current form is male jewelry. And it’s 4 or 5x more expensive - if you want to buy one at prevailing rates since only longtime customers with big spend histories are going into an AD and getting one any time soon.
It is.
Thank you guys for everything! Id still love to get a giveaway😎⌚️✌️
Comparing the Tudor rubber strap to an oysterflex is a joke right?
As lore, story and jewelry, submariner > pelagos
As titanium case, 500 meter, helium escape valve, luminous bezel, bracelet functions, half the price, Pelagos > submariner
I don't think Tudor will ever beat Rolex not by product or branding. Here's why
Tudor is for people who love Rolex watch design, its DNA or owned Rolex watches before, but hate how the brand + AD handling customer nowadays. Tudor is always be the love letter to Rolex every now and then according to their last hit release of BB Pro and Pelagos 39mm (which in normal situation people will likely notice it as Sub if they don't see it closely).
That's why they aren't or ever be able to beat their bigger sister.
Y’all are cool and all but these click bait-y ass titles are getting out of hand. You definitely know how to play the YT watch content creator game putting Rolex in every title tho that’s for sure.
So today I am enjoying my glass of lagavulin 16 and again just loving this conversation but, Pelagos is definitely better. Book me for a Pelagos
It’s not.
are you wearing the Breguet 7027?
I do love the group illusion of "tool" watches. Pretty sure if measuring time was important to a task and I turned up with a mechanical watch... I may not be taken seriously! I mean... I'll definitely have one if you're giving them away ☺️
Pro divers use dive watches as back up in case of their dive computers malfunctioning. Computers glitch, mechanical watches don’t. So it’s more about safety than accuracy. Most probably use G shocks, but I know many use mechanicals.
@@willburrows8834 no they don’t they use a back up dive computer.
@@willburrows8834 this is so wrong lol. if they wanted a back up they would just bring a gshock or second cheaper dive computer but in reality diver's watch redunancy comes from the classic buddy system. If there was a problem with your computer you would surface as soon as possible using your buddy's computer as a guide.
@@Davidtime really? Two dive computers would be pretty bulky when working on subsea engineering. I stand corrected if that isn’t the case but I would have thought a watch of some kind plus a dive computer would be the safest way.
Either way, this might be why Christian has a dream of going spear fishing... so he can justify his dive watch 😂
No...but P39 is a solid timepiece.
I love that Tudor and Rolex include a paragraph on their watch. So much so that if anyone asks me the time, I rattle it off for them.
"oh, the time? It's two thirty and that, my friend, is officially certified by my superlative chronometer which has 200 meters of water resistence or 660 feet since you may not be familiar with the metric system."
An Au & Ag Pelagos would murder especially if they both came to market for less than a Sub. Opportunity cost is real (I would absolutely buy the Tudor every time)
What are you smoking? The gold bb58 cost 17k and there isn’t even a bracelet. No way it would cost less than a sub.
“Tudor movement based on ETA” 🤦🏻♀️
Yes
For what these watches are for - diving/active wear. Any diver would go with a Pelagos first. Yes, if you ask watch nerds that foam at the mouth for the Rolex name/allure, of course you would pick a Rolex. I had an 114060 and sold it because I enjoyed wearing watches like a Turtle in most occasions. I used to skateboard down the Mission Beach/PB (San Diego) board walk with my sub and it felt wrong, a small pebble and replacing the glass/ceramic bezel would have been north of $2,000.... why? meh, got rid of my Rolexes (3).
Waiting to buy a Pelagos 39. Seikos keep my wrist warm these days, and I'm having a blast; SBDC101, SBDC171, SPRE93J8..... my needs are met. Cant wait to get my hands on the Pelagos. I wouldn't get the Rolex again. I do regret selling my OP39 blk. That was a great everyday watch. Sub? you compulsive watch buyers can bid over that and pay thousands over MSRP for you to realize a few months later that its just a shiny object with a nice label.....
This might upset a lots of watch geek, but tbh Tudor watched quality control is awful compare to its price tag.
I owned BB58 Black and the lume has not been properly filled on each hands (one of them have black stain on it) I have to went to back to AD for replace new hands which took 3-4 weeks, also some dude on watch community few years ago found Pelagos lume index came off from the bezel. This still not included the BB GMT Pepsi when it released with Date Wheel issue.
Tudor is decent Rolex homage brand and watchmaker, but their price not and never worth USD 4,000. There are so many brand out there provide more better QC, more superior finishing and better distinctive looks at this price point such as ORIS, OMEGA, NOMOS and JLC.