Low Volume cymbal to electronic conversion
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2020
- In this video I’ll show how to convert a low-volume cymbal into an electronic cymbal using acoustic guitar piezo pickups and expending less than 30$. I’ll also discuss the PROs and CONs of doing so.
Table of content:
00:00 - Intro
Here it is the list of materials:
Vansir 16" Crash Low Volume Cymbal
www.aliexpress.com/item/10050...
Large Rubber Edging Trim
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Rubb...
Guitar piezo pickup #1
www.aliexpress.com/item/32759...
Guitar piezo pickup #2
www.aliexpress.com/item/32901...
Your English is way better than my French. Good video, man.
Thanks J B ... in fact both my English and French are work in progress... Only language that I kind know what I'm doing is Portuguese 😂 Anyways, thanks for your encouragement 🙏
Very nice. A very good solution for people who want to experiment. I already have an extra low volume 18 inch so I will do this. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the great video 👍
Thank you, great video. So many tips!
Thanks Roberto. If you're converting a drum kit into an eDrum and you have questions I'll be glad to answer.
thanks , I'm just in the process of doing the same , thanks for the links as well for rubber strips.
hey Dwain, you're welcome... if you have a question or if there is anything else I can do to help just drop a word =) My advice would be use the more resistant piezo you can find otherwise you'll have to change it almost weekly...
Awesome thanks, man!
No problem!
Amazing!!! This video give me the idea to use acoustic piezo mics, and forget about the welding! With this and contact sensor for ride bell would work for the ride.
Hey, what's up? Have a great 2022, sorry for the late answer, yes I tested, and with 2 piezo and some tweaking on the module. settings you can have a decent two-zone ride. Check this AIC I did, ua-cam.com/video/eenmXX1O4GU/v-deo.html you can see it in action... you can clearly notice a cable tie in the bell...
I'm going to do this
Hey, thanks for commenting. Let me know when you do, I’d love to hear about your experience with that.
Nice video, very informative man. The thing to hold the rubber trim on is called a Twist Tie in English at least that is what I have called them haha, also a good idea as I don't want to ruin my cymbals either.
Hi Brendan, what's up? Thanks for passing by and leave a comment. Glad it helps you. And thanks for enriching my English vocabulary (Twist Tie so). Yes, it won't ruin your cymbals and it's been 9 months since I did the video, and they are still in place. The real problem is the piezo pickups that from time to time I have to change, according to the music I'm playing (if it's extreme metal, I need to change each week)... I bought a stock at Amazon, and I'm still trying to figure out another not that expensive solution.
@@dektrimusic One thing i've seen done is putting a cheap (or expensive) e-pad cymbal underneath the L80's and they trigger very well with that method and you get two zone assuming the module is compatible etc. Even the hi-hats can be done with this stacking method.
@@brendanmcg8566 Hey Brendan... you know that logical feeling "Why I never had thought about that before?" , can't wait to get at home and try it... I know that you can put a membrane to have 2 zones or Choke the cymbals. it's something that I really want to try soon... hey thanks for the hint 👍👍👍👍
Merci!
C'est moi. J'espère que cela sera utile d'une manière ou d'une autre
The thing u connected the trim with is called a Twist Tie :)
Hey, mate, what's up? Thanks for enrich my English vocabulary 😁 I really appreciate 🙏
And Hi-Hat. Dankeschön.
Guten Morgen. I'm trying to put together a video for Hi-Hat and two-zone ride asap... Super in a hurry here, I'm really. sorry 😐
@@dektrimusic Danke schön.
Das wäre cool wenn er das macht mit dm Hihat 😁
Merci beaucoup pour ces explications, je vais m’inspirer de cette configuration pour mon installation pour sur !
J’ai une petite question sur le Charleston, la cymbale est posée directement sur le trigger de goedrum, sans ajout d’embout supplémentaire ? Si c’est le cas, cette configuration ne bougeait pas trop une fois la pédale fermée ?
Encore bravo pour cette vidéo !
Salut Benjamin, merci pour avoir regardé et pour le commentaire. Le charleston est posé directement... en vrai c'est dans les réglages du module que j'essaye de diminuer les double triggers... en effet le problème majeur c'est le pois du L80, ça active le trigger... pas idéale au niveau du jeu, mais je n'utilise pas les deux cymbales du charley quand je suis en train d'enregistrer... pas optimale certes, mais je n'ai pas trouvé un autre solution.... Désolé pour mon français, je fais mon mieux compte tenue que n'est pas ma langue maternelle =) bonne journée, n'hésite pas à me contacter si tu veux en discuter plus =)
That's a pretty great idea dude! Also it looks amazing considering you can find different color low volume cymbals in Ali Express. BTW have you tried to do like a dual zone conversion? Like to get bell and bow sound from a ride?
Hey Hi Psycho, thanks for watching and leave a comment. Indeed I did and it work...I'll try to upload a video and share the link with you.... I put one piezzo inside the bell of an L80 18" ride and another one close to the edge. Then set the correct Threshold and Trigger Cancel/Mask you can have both...if you hit really hard (my case) we'll eventually get some double triggering...
You know that there is also a membrane from GoEdrum (www.ebay.fr/itm/324221848610?hash=item4b7d20cc22:g:hfYAAOSwoXZefAXX) that you can use to have the dual zone... but it's a little trickier than just place 2 piezzos
@@dektrimusic thanks a lot dude! I'm definitely going to try this for a future project...
Hey man, great instructional video, thanks a lot! i'm going to try it exactly that way! Just one question for curiosity: After the piezo pickup fell off the cymbal for the first time as you mentioned it, you re-installed it with the cable tie. So it means that theoretically you can re-use the same pickup after removing it, even if it probably doesn't stick well from alone anymore as you also mentioned before? Thanks again and many greetings!
Hey, what’s up? Thanks for watching and commenting… well, on fact I put the cable tie from the start… unless you play really really really softly, by its own the piezo are not going to stick there for so long. You can use double sided tape to get it there… but I don’t think that remove it frequently is a good idea, because the cable is really fragile and you gonna ruin the piezo. I’m currently using MagnaTrack triggers for cymbals which is a sturdy solution and allows me to take it of at anytime… but yes, it’s a more expensive solution
@@dektrimusic Thanks for the reply, my friend! In fact i'm looking for an "on/off" solution as i like my low noise cymbals both ways. I heard about these MagnaTracks triggers too, they look really good, probably i'll give it a try too. Thanks again and have fun!
Hi my friend. What if instead use the rubber edge, I apply a silicon a fat rod around the cymbal at the bottom face ? It would be invisible
My mate, what’s up? It’s something to test. I can’t say for sure that this might work. If aesthetics is important to you, there is also transparent rubber bands. If you look ar 10:30 you’ll see I use one on my ride cymbal. If you test the silicon solution, please, let me know if it works.
Please what did you use to trigger your hihat?? Is it the same piezo u use for the cymbals??
Hi Sammy, what’s up? Yes, the same piezo for the hi-hat, but in that case I also use a goEdrum hi-hat controller, for open/close hi-hat
@@dektrimusic thank you very much bro .. it be cool when u demonstrate how to trigger the hihat too like the way you did to the cymbals 😁😁😁.. stay bless
@@sammytuga9634 thank you for watching and commenting. I'm planning to do more videos on triggering, eCymbals, and hybrid drums, but it's been a crazy time for me now, super in a hurry... in the meantime don't hesitate to ask. if you have further questions, it's a pleasure to. help.
@@dektrimusic ook bro i be waiting for it 😉 stay bless
Looks like you have clear rubber trim on your ride cymbal???. It looks better than the black rubber trim.
Where did you buy it? And how does it perform?
Hi Jason, thanks for commenting and watching. yes I tried a smaller and transparent one, but honestly, it’s less effective than the black one. I bought on Amazon, but I don’t know why it’s not on my order list.. I’ll try to find and send you the link if you want to give it a try anyway…
Thanks anyway, but if its less effective for you, I'll trust your judgment and try something else.
Your clear one looks thinner than the black ones. Thats probably the reason it's less effective. I'll try to find something bigger. Thanks again!
@@JasonWelchMusic not thinner, but smaller… the black one is around 3 cm/1.2 inch the transparent one is 1cm/0.4 inch… I know that probably is not what you search for, as far as aesthetics is concerned… if I understood… but I’m using this right now m.fr.aliexpress.com/item/4001265438087.html?spm=a2g0n.order_detail.order_detail_item.2.6d2f7d56nBGvET&gatewayAdapt=glo2fra … you can check it in action in my last video.
@@dektrimusic wow bro! Thanks for taking the time to share!
do you have an idea if this will work on alesis nitro module?
Hello... I have no idea, sorry. I tested in two different Roland modules. But, it's just an idea, why don't you buy one piezo (which is cheap anyway) and give it a try? It should trigger if you gently hit the sensor (ideally, not with the drumstick lol) Sorry I couldn't help much on this one.
@@dektrimusic no worries at all!! I'll do what you suggested, thanks so much!!
Thanx for great video and tech ideas! tell, please, by few words - how to do the hi-hat, thanx a lot!
Hi man, thanks for taking your time to watch and comment. Sorry for the delay to answer. I'll do a video anytime soon about it. Your not the first one to ask. In a few words, you put the trigger just as you do in a normal crash. Then you'll need a controller, whether something like GoEdrum hi-hat controller ( www.ebay.fr/itm/323355309160) whether a regular electronic controller. The main problem will be the weight of the metal hi-hat... I use just the top part so it's more accurate triggered.
Let me know if you have further questions, or write me at dektrimusic@gmail.com, so we can discuss it. Cheers.
Salut et bravo et aussi merci ! je regarde pas mal de truc en ce moment car je me suis lancé dans le A2E ; a un moment tu montres des piezos multiple , (2 ou 3 je crois) raccordés a un Jack....Est ce que cela fait office de multizones? Pour le "choke" je m'en passerais dans un premier temps ou le ferais que sur une cymbale plus tard...aussi je pensais partir de cymbales non low volume (car je les ai et qu'elles sont super cheap) je me demerderais pour qu'elles soient étouffées. Encore bravo ,il est clair que par rapport a une solution de marque prête à l'emplois meme si il faut changer régulièrement, les tarifs sont sans aucune mesure comparable !
Hey, salut, ça va? Merci d'avoir regardé et commenté. Non, le piezo multiple ne fait pas office de multizone. En effet comme j'étais en train d'experimenter, j'ai acheté plusieurs modèles. Honnêtement, le rouge (www.aliexpress.com/item/32759188296.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.cec94c4dG3qdqu) c'est le meilleur, tout simplement parce que ça reste plus longtemps que les autres, surtout sur le charley. ça fait un moment que j'ai enregistré ce video, et aujourd'hui je vois que il faut vraiment du entretien régulièrement, mais comme tu as biens signalé, on peut même pas comparé les prix.
Pour le choke c'est faisable et il y une membrane goedrum pour ça, mais je pas encore m'aventuré à faire ça.
Pour la cymbale normale, je pense que avec le piezo et si tu mets le truc en caotchouc en plus, ça va pas mal baisser le volume. Après, chez AliExpress et similaires tu trouveras pas mal de low-volume pas cher.
N'hésite pas revenir vers moi si tu as des questions ou tout simplement si tu veux discuter le sujet. 😁 E pardon pour mon français, c'est encore un work in progress
@@dektrimusic je pensais que tu étais français 😂pour le moment je converti mes fûts en électronique... Viendra le temps des cymbales, sinon j'ai vu les low volumes sur aliexpress, mais avec les frais de port plus la douane je crois que Thomann s'en sort mieux, une fois de plus !
@@Newprodintown Désolé pour le délais de réponse.... non je ne suis pas français, mais ça fait déjà un moment que j'habite en France... pour la langue il y a encore un gros chantier d'amélioration. Pour les cymbales, j'en ai les deux (Aliexpress et Thomann) et même si c'est pour les utiliser comme électronique(c'est que va annuler le son des cymbales), ceux de Thomann en acoustique sonnent mieux. Encore une fois, gardons contact et ne hésitez pas si tu as des questions 😁
Do you need a hi hat controller to make this work? Or can I just use the piezo pickups along with an electronic hi hat foot pedal?
Hey Dan, thanks for watching and commenting. Both work. I tested with my FD-8 and it works just fine… the only caveat is that you loose the open/close hi-hat feel… which might be a deal breaker for you…
@@dektrimusic Thank you sssir!! I actually have the FD-8 as well and a TD17Module. Just ordered those materials that you described in your video!
@@dankang9931 i think you’ll get better results than me… I have a Td11… i’m sure your module will allow to fine tune the settings and avoid some double triggering… let’s keep in touch.. I’d love to hear from your thoughts on it …
@@dektrimusic Thank you for the tutorial and response again!
@@dektrimusic Hey Dektri I got a question. So I was able to get my low volume Zildijian L80 hi-hat to produce a sound by duct-taping a Piezo pick-up to the hi hat and connecting it to my TD17. The only issue I have is that depending on which part of the hi-hat that I hit with my drumstick, the volume varies. With that said, can I simply attach more Piezo wires on the hi-hat and then connect the tail end of the wires to the circular part of my current Piezo pick-up to evenly distribute the sound? I'd appreciate some assistance. Thanks!
Bonjour, vidéo intéressante, je compte faire la même chose pour ma batterie électronique, je dois l'utiliser pour quelques dates dans des salles où ma Tama sera trop "bruyante " ton système de capteurs tient dans le temps? La qualité est bonne ou le prix a une réelle importance ?
Merci pour tout
Bonjour Olivier. j'espère que tu vas bien. Je recommanderais fortement de ne pas faire cela dans une situation live. cela fonctionne bien pour l'enregistrement, mais il est trop fragile pour le live, il peut se casser et ne pas se déclencher, ce qui encore une fois n'est pas un gros problème en studio, mais pas cool en live. J’ai des triggers Magna Track, c’est le même principe, sauf que c’est bcp plus resistent, c’est en metal… mais on parle pas de la même forchete de prix non plus
@@dektrimusic merci beaucoup, habituellement j'utilise mon acoustique en live mais là visiblement ce ne sera pas possible, je vais utiliser des pads classiques en plus des cymbales (custom) donc je vais prévoir 2 profils sur mon module de sons. J'ai (normalement) qu'un concert de 1h30 à faire avec cette config, pour le moment je l'ai bricolée comme ça (le but premier est juste d'avoir un kit à la maison) et on verra bien.
Je vais continuer à regarder tes vidéos.
Bonne journée 😉👍
J'espère que tout va bien se passer. Par curiosité, tu joues quoi comme musique?@@olivierlebout7345
Uniquement des reprises de standard rocks, ac/dc, rolling stones, téléphone etc...
Bonjour, pétit concert de 2 h samedi dernier, tout s'est bien passé, des petits soucis de déclenchement mais rien de dramatique.
Je confirme bien que c'est pratique en local de répètes mais beaucoup moins fun en live.
Merci pour les bons conseils 😉👍
The only advantage to me is the look. I tried L80s. They dont feel any more natural than a Roland cymbal. To me the cymbals felt mushy. Like they give under the stick. I returned mine.
Consider that before a conversion.
And to me they look weird anyway.
Hey, thanks for watching and for commenting. Low volume cymbals are really not the same as real ones, but not the same as Roland rubber cymbals, not in the loudness not in the feel. For me it’s in the in between both, and when we have the volume constraints, I would say that it’s a good compromise l, imho.
How durable is the rubber rim?
hey Marcus, good question. The rim itself I would say it's indestructible 😂. The stapled joint though, well, it's kinda fragile... but the answer is it depends on the style, or how hard you hit the cymbals. I play mostly rock and metal... and I had to do some maintenance every 3 months... Recently, I change the rubber rim for elastic bands, cymbal mute ones, that you can buy in any Chinese site like Aliexpress for around 2$, 3$ depending on the size. You can see it in ly last short tribute to Taylor Hawkins, here ua-cam.com/users/shortsY4AgK2zylMc?feature=share
I hope I have answered your question, and if you still have any doubts, please feel free to contact me.
@@dektrimusic thanks!
Vc é brasileiro? Eu tenho um kit L80 e quero converter em pratos eletrônicos
Fala Gabriel, blz? Cara assim essa opção com piezo, funciona, mas os cabos nao aguentam muito o tranco, principalmente se você sentar a mão na batera (meu caso)… e para o hihat, tem que ter um Go-edrum por exemplo, para captar abertua e fechamento.
11:30 I just burn them together. They will fuse as one. Be careful doing it though
Hey, man, thanks for watching and commenting. Indeed it's an excellent idea. I noticed that many people who contact me about this, want in fact to use a transparent band, in order to keep the cymbal visual, which I completely understand. If it's not the case, another solution that I ended up doing was to use those cymbals silence dampeners, if you search "OriGlam 4pcs Drum Cymbal Mute, Practice Silencer Dampener" on Amazon or any Chinese web site you can find it, and it's cheap. Have a nice day.
@@dektrimusic Thanks for the tip bro. That's the best of UA-cam commenting. I did see those yesterday in fact when looking around for trim bands. It makes sense. If you make them slightly stretchy it'd be EASY to just pull them over the edges and you're done. And they're dirt cheap too! It's AMAZING to me that in 2023 it's so hard to find electronic DIY drum parts. Seems like a great, wide open business opportunity for people in a world where everything is taken. When I search for membranes (for choke) for instance, I can only find a Chinese brand called GoEdrum, and it's even harder finding solid instructions on how to install them properly. Ugh!! Rock on from Texas 🤠
I can join as your associate if you want it? I was thinking the same thing... eDrums were never as popular as it is today... lots of people are interested in having more of the "real deal" look 'n feel and even then, is really hard to find the DIY stuff. I have the GoEdrum hi-hat controller. It works fine... but yeah, I watched some videos on how to install the choke stuff.. oh my... not for me... @@ikigai47
@@dektrimusic That would be awesome. And you'd be perfect! But IF I did do something I'm a long ways from overseas distribution. Thank you though. If I try something it'd probably be along the lines of making my own cymbals from low volume, and selling them on ebay/reverb/amazon. See how that goes. If it took off then I'd be onto something. If not, I'll make a few bucks then quit. I put together a DIY electronic kit in 2009. Real shells, mesh, etc. For DIY guys we've gone backwards since then if anything. I had great triggers that were strap based that are no longer found anywhere. The strap was adjustable with the cone trigger in the middle. Set it, put the head over it. Worked perfectly. Now good inner shell triggers are bar based. USA is behind Europe where affordable kits and quality mesh heads are concerned. You have Lemon, Millenium and Drum-tec is in Germany. Here heads suck, triggers suck, affordable kits suck.
i use the same piezo. best thing to do is ziptie it to your cymbal.
Hello, thanks for watching and commenting. I zip-tied mine and I agree with you that is the best thing to do. Lately, I upgraded the piezo with MagnaTrack triggers, and so far, so good... never break a trigger again
twist tie
Thanks Travis... at least now I'll know how to name it in the next videos. Wish you the best. D
hello for the hi hat how can this be done?
Hi Angelo. First and foremost thanks for watching the video and for your comment.
I'm preparing a video about that, but in the meantime, I'll try to answer the best I can, I'm using pretty much the same piezzo in the hi-hat but with an eDrum controller, for the open/close hi-hat. To better explain it better look at this photo: drive.google.com/file/d/1gxk2d__irmSPKwCex8c58g49j_-4pOFm/view?usp=sharing
I tried different things but this is the one that works best.
You can see it in action in this Alice Chains drum cover I did:
ua-cam.com/video/eenmXX1O4GU/v-deo.html
Let me know if it was useful and don't hesitate if you have further questions.
@@dektrimusic bye thank you! the link is not accessible, if you want you can send the photo to my email address sullecorde@hotmail.it!
@@pecosss Ciao, I just sent you an email. Hope it can help! =)
The biggest caveat is the lack of dynamics, you always get loud hits no matrer how hard you hit the cymbal, for practicing is ok though
Hey Lalo, what’s up. Thanks for watching and comment… What module and settings are you using? I’m asking because I can definitely control dynamics (not as precise as a real acoustic cymbal) but close to that… if you want I can share a video with you where I show my settings on my TD11 and Ableton Live… cheers
I zink I weel use a sheep seembole!
Hey Jack, what's up. I used the most inexpensive cymbal money can buy on Aliexpress, and it works just fine.
@@dektrimusic yeh it’s good man. Just making fun of your accent! 😝
@@Aldertonartco lol you cannot teach an old dog new tricks, imposeembole to get rid of the accent 😂
@@dektrimusic haha it’s funny as well because it’s only other people that notice it as well. So to you I would have an accent!
Que feo suena y como quedo
Prefiero seguir usando mis platillos roland
Sí, suena un poco más fuerte y metálico, y no tan "hermoso" como un platillo de goma, pero al final del día, usamos auriculares y escuchamos la batería desde el módulo... así que el sonido feo es problema del vecino =) gracias por comentar, compañero