It's not about hating him, it's about loving the Captain. And this obvious sociopath running around dressed like Steve and using his shield and fighting like him is an offensive mockery to the legacy and name of Captain America. It would be like Thawne putting on Barry's red suit claiming to be the new Flash! Like, what?!
John making his own shield was a cool concept. It showed his unwillingness to drop the role as Captain America, and seeing him fight with it was intriguing to watch. Swinging it around, fighting more aggressively because the weight distribution and integrity was very different, but the moment he drops it, letting go of his thirst for vengeance and instead being the hero he'd always wanted to be was a defining moment for him. Fighting off The Flagsmashers as he held the truck was the moment that I finally decided he wasn't a bad person. Literally everyone who's taken that serum has suffered from it (except for Steve) so overpowering the mental effects to do the right thing took a lot and cements him as a hero.
I don’t know I just wish John had an actual redemption story line with him, i mean he just does one good thing that frankly feels super out of character for him to do, like how there is just nothing that could have changed Johns world view about anything that he wouldn’t want to just chop off every flag smasher heads
@@jaspinflame670 How so? He was a soldier and tried to be the best he could be, so when he realized people are in danger he has a choice: continue to fight for vengeance at that very moment or drop the shield and save the people that will fall to their death. Seems kinda familiar when you look back at The Amazing Spider-Man where Peter is out for vengeance first and then changes his view and responsibility once he saves the kid from the car and reunites him with his father instead of going after the Lizard
@@jaspinflame670 this was just an introduction to his character, he’s not a one and done addition to the mcu. I think it’s unfair to say this because we will most likely see his redemption or corruption in upcoming marvel media.
@@jaspinflame670 he is never a bad person in the first place, just feel an extreme pressure and needs for him to be captain america, clouded his sense of justice, and this is worsen with the serum i think
Glad most people saw him as the most sympathetic character at the end of the day. He was asked to serve his country and fill shoes of one of the world's greatest heroes. He kept playing by the book while everyone else played by their own rules and it drove him nuts. So happy he didn't become a villain at the end. Way more interesting at the end.
True, but I don’t think he would have ever really become a “villain” even when angry he directs it towards the enemies. If he decided to not save that group of people in the end he wouldn’t be considered a hero but not a villain either, just a means justify the ends kind of guy
Part of John's issues that people overlook as to why he failed was because he was also an Afghan war vet dealing with PTSD - used by the government and given this talented but broken man the the role of a lifetime with immense pressure, only to be met by constant vitriol by his superhero peers except Lamar who then was murdered. Then the moment he becomes a liability he is dropped and discharged in an instant.
He was the best part of the show. And while he didn't handle the situation well, he still made more sense then the actual protagonist. Wish we were getting a movie with him honestly
@@TheKingProtoif only there had been somebody in this show who specifically used to help soldiers in his situation. Unfortunately there wasn’t and instead we got some doughnut in the Stars and Stripes now
After his introductory action sequence, I couldn't hate the guy. The fact that he held his own without the serum, flight suit or vibranium armor was insanely impressive - he was a home grown super soldier who just wanted to do the right thing. I was rooting for him all the way through.
He's like seeing a real person/soldier in the Marvel universe. Wyatt portrayal of Walker's personality, especially his ptsd is plain amazing. This character is really,really,really interesting and man I can't wait to see more of him.
Walker was a badass. I liked how at the end he became (to me) one of the most sympathetic and interesting characters in the show. He redeemed himself where Karli didn't, and properly showed that he is worthy of his own heroic praise. Love the guy, and hope we can see more of him.
I have to kinda disagree John Walker kills an unarmed surrendering terrorsit/freedom fighter in cold blood, screams like a madman in his discharge, lies to Lamars parents, witch can be attributed to his ptsd but then he just does one good thing that just feels super out of character for him to do. And everything else is basically forgotten I wouldn’t mind at all a redemption story but that redemption story just doesn’t exist within the show. Like theirs nothing at all that could have possibly change his world view within any Scene he was in that would have changed his mind about not beheading every flag smasher And I don’t know it seems kinda unfair how a teenager dies and how John Walker gets out Scott free of all his wrong doings. Especially since they were kinda playing a yin yang story of one character representing globalism and the other nationalism of two total opposite both being villains
@@jaspinflame670 that "Freedom Fighter" was a terrorist who was attempting to kill John which cause lemar to get killed instead. And he wasn't surrendering, he was trying to escape until John caught up with him. If you want to say what John did was wrong than you must also say what Thor did was wrong when he beheaded thanos out of revenge even though Thanos was weak, crippled, and outnumbered
@@jaspinflame670 dude at that point realized he screwed up big time. He and the rest of the flagsmashers were children that thought they can fight the world. When his group resorted to murder what the hell did they think was going to happen. I mean, heck, the episode before this, the flagsmashers bombs a building with soldiers. One of which was mentioned to be the father of 2 and had only been on the job for 2 weeks but did you think the flagsmashers cared???? Didnt seem like it, especially karli.
@@jaspinflame670 I don't think a character begging for his life because he got caught really equates to anything when he masterminded/orchestrated multiple plots to harm/disrupt the peace/and kill others. Especially when it's not out of the realm of possibility that he would continue to weasel his way out of the situation if he was allowed to escape. I think any sentiment supporting him at or past that point is just over-empathizing.
I kinda agree I just wished he had at least some sort of redemption for him, but no he just does one single good thing that feels super out of character for him to do for no reason
He's the real hero of the show tbh. Also, he 1 v 2s the protags and almost wins as a brand-new super soldier with way less experience. So, he's literally just built different.
man uhh, the winter soldier has killed more people than marlboros, and I've seen sam unload uzi's into the "bad guys", where do they get the nerve for judging him for avenging his buddy or whatever this lame show wherein US Agent seems to be the only character worth watching
John Walker may not have deserved Captain America's shield, but I do think he deserves a shield of his own. One that isn't made of regular steel at least.😂
@@lunalegion I don't remember it being a star. Actually, there was just a circle around it I believe in red and white trim, but nothing else on the version I'm referring to. But it looks like it's made of some kind of tempered stone.
Walker represents a huge group of people in the US who are trained to be killers and then abandoned when they try to come back from that. Just like in the show, all they get are performative salutes and fanfare, but when they truly need physical and mental help, they’re on their own. Walker had huge rage and self-acceptance issues, but it’s not like those traits weren’t trained into him.
Spot on! Which makes the trend of worshiping characters that have been thoroughly broken by their context as unstoppable men of action is really off-putting. Just like the Joker. Their stories are tragic and knowing there's so many people in the world that have so little to look forward to that they see cornered wolves as inspirational is a bit disturbing.
@@mechanomics2649 gatekeeping ptsd? Wow, what a casual subject isnt it? To criticise the false use and hypocritical users of the term but then be accused of gatekeeping it.
Personally, i dont like the idea of him being cap. Nobody can perfect it other than chris evans. But i dont really have him. He has good fight scenes and i love it
Just a sign of how well he acted in the role and how he conveyed a conflicted flawed character with the potential of greatness being given an extremely heavy mantle he was not ready for.
People that dislike/hate John Walker is honestly a tell for the type of person you are, either morally bankrupt or just too easily influenced by what a script wants you to believe. Ever since the start John was always a team player, always putting others first. The introduction of his abilities as a soldier on top of the moving trucks says it all. He jumps in as a non-super to help Buck and Falcon, the whole time he is prioritizing keeping the whole team safe, if you watch that scene he's not just in there fighting, he's in there preventing the enemy from landing hits on his team, and he does it SUCCESSFULLY, as a non-supe. After they all fail, John talks to our "protagonists" to assure them he's not trying to take Steve's place, he just wants to do what he can to help, and their response to him is near sociopathic, showing nothing but hate to this man that helped them and trying to put their frustrations at ease. Then we get to the Wakandan fight, where these women are throwing KILL SHOTS at John, and he's skilled enough to just narrowly dodge out of their kill shots. Bucky and Falcon? Just on stand by throwing insults at HIM, him that put HIS life at risk in a fight to help THEM, despite being massively underpowered yet still pulling through. Then when he kills the terrorist. That terrorist tried to restrain him so that the ginger could run in and stab to KILL him, but Lemar jumped in to save John which ended up with his murder by the terrorists. John charges to take vengence on that filth that had the nerve to try to kill him, played a hand in killing Lamar, tried to kill him during the chase, and then had the nerve to beg for his life. Fast forward, John is having a break down, his beloved partner has been murdered, his life ruined due to the terrorist kill being recorded, and all he thinks to do is to bury it further to continue his duties. What do Buck and Falcon do? They try to take EVEN MORE from him at a time everything else has been taken from him, up until that point John was actually listening to them. He tries to deescalate a fight between them all and says "You don't want to do this" and Buck responds "Yeah we do"...The man just went through so much trauma only for Falcon and Bucky to say, "You haven't suffered enough, give us the last thing you have, we want to fight you!" Throughout that fight scene John is pleading with them, "Why are you making me do this!?" Then in the final moments, where he's lost everything, his battle partner he loved, his status as Captain America, and his position as a soldier, he decides to go out and face terrorists regardless, on his own. Through the fight he is met with an ultimatum, get his revenge for the murder of his friend, or save the people the terrorists are trying to kill. Despite the trauma and the pain, he decides that the lives of the innocent are more important than his vengeance, only to have the terrorists stop him. Anyone that HATES that character? Yeah, you're morally f*cked in my opinion. Sure, you can say he made some wrong calls in his duty representing the title of Captain America but you cannot call him a bad man without reporting your own messed up morality. You especially can't call him the "bad man" while in support of Bucky and Falcon, two utterly butchered characters that hated the man that done whatever he could to be understanding and help them only to be met with hatred, meanwhile those protagonists offered WAY MORE empathy and acceptance of literal terrorists that killed innocent people. John Walker was what made this show bearable.
Gotta love how not liking a character clearly going through sanity slippage means you have a fucked morality in your twisted heads. Honestly John should have called it quits as Captain America after his partner died, but he was too obsessed to stop. The man was just not up for the job.
@@Chris-qe2dq Mostly little kids, which is why personally I think it should be illegal for little kids and people under the age of 18 to have access to social media.
I didn’t understand Buckys and Sams hate toward John at the start He was just filling in a role, if it wasn’t him it would have been another soldier Yes it must have been devastating that they tried to replace Steve like that but it wasn’t Johns idea to begin with
Honestly, Sam was at fault for giving up the shield. I honestly think they were mad at themselves or each other and just vented anger and frustration in John's direction.
He literally had the best character development ever in only 5 episodes while being a side character 👏lmao I'm watching thunderbolts for this guy and bucky, hope they form a badass friendship.
I wholeheartedly agree. I feel like all the “bad guys”- Walker, Zemo, Carter- stole the show for me. Had zero sympathy for the flagsmashers and dwindling interest in their portrayal of Bucky and Sam. Meanwhile all the morally darker characters get the coolest development
@@tlshortyshorty5810 Sam realized sooner or later he had to take up mantle, regardless of race. I mean if Cap took down Nazis, Americans would've accepted him overtime. For Bucky, he can finally redeem himself and gain his autonomy to become the hero he wasn't destined to be. These were well done to me, cause they don't have to rely on Steve anymore to be the leaders the Avengers needs atm.
John walker in the comics is when ever he joins a group they already hate him and want him out after a bit of time he is like family to them... Happened with him in every team he joined
That's kind of sad, and yet after all the rejection by multiple people and teams; he's still (sort of) good. I hope they do something like this whenever we see him again.
@@ThisFaceWasMadeForRADIO he is good. He just a person who needed mentoring to guide him in his younger days... From the comics I read.. What he thinks is not what he says. He thinks nice things about people and cares for them but when he opens his mouth he is an asshole. And but then again other Heros already hate him for no good reason and treats him as beneath them... He is misunderstood heavily
the way john throws bucky around and him tanking flag smashers like he's michael myers shows he's a notch above normal super soldiers which makes sense since he's close to peak human already
The reason that he’s so strong is because he doesn’t hold back when he fights. Steve and Sam are always trying to keep the body count as low as possible, so they hold back their full strength when they fight, but John focuses on getting the job done, and less on protecting the lives of terrorists, so he hits harder and deals more damage
@@proctorritter5176 is that from the script you wrote in your head? The writers and director intended to show what they did and it's inline with the comics and in fact the power ratings from the classic trading cards which you can look up yourself. They already stated he's peak human before the serum, without serums involved John would whoop bucky and Steve at the same time
@@zeroone3804 Plus the new serum is much better version of the old serum, these new super soldiers are more powerful than the older ones and John is the strongest.
In terms of anger management? He’s not there yet, as evidenced by his handing of the Flagsmasher guy. But in terms of raw strength? He might just be the strongest human character in the MCU.
Not enough people seem to pick up on this. Steve was puny before he got the serum and it made him superhuman. John was ALREADY borderline superhuman before he got the serum. Steve: 5+50=55 John: 20+50=70
Nah Steve got more than just the serum. The machine made him peak human as well. He's basically a guy on roids that then took the serum. So Steve would still be stronger.
What are you talking about? Steve use the edge of the shield all the time, the movies just didn't show blood on it. What do you think make the impact with the target each tim he throw the shield? The surface?
He's easily the best character in the show. While he doesn't exactly have the moral fiber to be Captain America, he has physical and training qualifications. Imagine that, awarding someone a position based on merit. Not to mention, he's not portrayed as if he's perfect or his flaws are the result of some science fiction or fantasy effect. He's easily the most human character on the show.
@@harrybaldino8955 He's a soldier that was trained to obey orders. Steve was a civilian that eventually learned to command a team. It's a different world because Steve puts the greater good over his role while John was unable to think beyond his orders. That's why he couldn't be Captain America. He could not think beyond his duty to serve the greater good.
@@machdude3366 you just said Steve put the greater good over his role. Then said John couldn't look past his duty to serve the greater good. You can't tell me that Sam and Bucky did not fuck up during this series because they did in multiple ways I will literally point each way out
@@harrybaldino8955 It means that John's weakness is in his inability to look beyond rank. Sam and Bucky are closer to Steve in the fact that they are free agents and have a strong moral code that let's them take do justice as they intend it. While John has a strong will, he lacks the ability to think on his own which makes him dependent and vulnerable to hierarchy. It's why he thinks in black and white, can't be flexible in a plan and ultimately trusts a third party with dubious credentials. He is not able to think on his feet.
@@datboi9539 Like he's the only strong confident male present in the show. Your types are always afraid and hate whatever threatens your idols of masculinity, no matter how big of an asshole they happen to be.
The level of detail when John doesn’t have the serum he gets pushed around but doesn’t when he has it and when fighting Bucky and sam , sam gets pushed 5 ft with a kick and looks like a reg fight between Bucky and john
This show just has shitty power levels,lol his serum is the same serum all flagsmashers got, yet they weren't even slightly stronger than Bucky, plus John with serum got his ass handed to him by Karli, yet Bucky, who is supposed to be one of the best fighters in the MCU, got humilated. What is more, Sam is somehow fighting on the same level with Bucky, while he should get knocked out from a single punch from Walker. They fucking nerfed the Winter Soldier hard, he can't catch a shield throw from a comparable opponent and his vibranium (!) arm malfunctions after he is thrown into a fucking wall. I'm not even talking about Falcon holding a bus with his hands, even with the assistance from his wings he would've been squeezed under its weight. The action in this show is trash honestly, which is not surprise considering that producers themselves have no idea how strong their characters actually are
@@nikersramnikers7081 bruh those terrorist has no fighting experience. Bucly on the other hand went to countless one man missions for 50 years. So it’s not the power level that's messed up, it's your damn brain!
@@farhanasharmin8997 yeah, but somehow one of these untrained terrorists beat Walker in h2h, while Bucky with his years of experience was treated like a ragdoll. Sure, the power levels are alright, nothing to complain about
Anyone else kinda mad that this rag-tag group of juiced-up hippies has even the tiniest amount of skill to compete with Bucky, Sam, and John in hand-to-hand combat?
Well in the begging they were clearly taken by suprise because they dident knoe the flag smasher were super soldier And bucky clearly wasnt fighting seriously because he was trying to hurt less people and they were also a little confused of john walker being captain america during the first fight
Yeah its honestly very immature of the fans threatening on Wyatt Rusell just because of his role as Captain America over a fictional characters is honestly dumb and ridiculous. John Walker honestly was way interesting and the most human relatable characters than the two main protagonist's on their own show, i honestly watch the show because of his character and was more hype for him than Sam & Bucky
@@bighand1530Same for me, rubs my contrarian brain the right way. But seriously I’m kinda pissed that so many fans and reactors that profess to be “empathetic” or riding their moral high horse end up playing right into the narratives plan(as far as the first couple episodes). Few stopped to think about who he was and what he’s been through. They feel bad for him when the plot tells them it’s ok to feel bad for him.
1:54 best scene, the whole chase and execution 10/10 the shots of jumping through the window, the landing on the car, the leap jump from the car to the ground and of course that badass suspenseful theme in the background. This is the best scene of the entire show for me. You can't help but route for John Walker for wanting to avenge his pal and be on the edge of your seat and think, oOOHH SHIT, something badass is going to happen!
Agreed his character was way more interesting and the most human relatable than the two main characters on their own show. He is overall my favorite character in the MCU
anybody else notice how he REALLY doesn't want to fight Sam and Bucky. Like during the fight he even says "why are you making me do this". and even with the Dora Milage, they throw a spear at him out of no where and for no reason. He consistently does the right thing but is shit on for it anyways.
Bro was just good at his job, got a promotion that no one was happy about, and let the stress get to him. I don’t think the character let alone the actor deserves hate
People hate John Walker for killing that dude but according to Thor he goated Steve Rogers into killing two prisoners and made Thor swear he’d never tell anyone 😂😂
steve: tears the avengers apart because of his best friend everyone: he's doing it for friendship. there's nothing wrong with that john: kills a terrorist because of his best friend everyone: what a monster! how could he ever be captain america?!
Coming back to this, it's insane how they made this series & cast such a perfect actor to play John Walker. I honestly love his portrayal & given the hate and harrassment he receieved countlessly which literally shouldn't have happened at all, shows how much of a good actor he is.
This whole TV Series is about how hard it is to find a replacement for Captain America. Walker actually proved that. Falcon is always Falcon. Now with a Shield. He or Winter Soldier is the next best thing.
thats right. it show that by simply either carrying the shield, super serum, skin colour, service record etc. is not what make someone a captain america after all steve roger before take the serum has nothing compared to john walker. that guy still not a captain america despite having the shield and become super soldier. what steve roger has is good heart. he remain who he was even after taking the serum. he doesnt change at all while other people changed after taken the serum.
Thats the main conflict of the series infact and why so many people have opposing opinions about him. The truth is that Walker is a capable and good person but being forced to take the heavy mantle and legacy of Captain America was one he just was not ready for. He was buckling under the pressure of having to instantly be great and fit the role, coming up short of something he was not suited to as both peoples expectations and the necessity of the situation required him to automatically be something he was not. It doesnt help that he depends on external values rather than inner strength for his moral fibre and integrity, a shaky foundation unfit for what was called of him under this mantle and in the situations he faced during the show. All of the friction caused between him and the duo, plus his habit of constantly escalating situations and his frustrations crumbling his integrity and will to do good, was a result of these pressures and expectations where he was trying too hard to fill a seperate role and identity he was not suited to or ready for. Instead he always needed to establish his own identity and mantle.
Sam willingly rejected the shield, so obviously the government was gonna choose someone else. Also y’all moan about John Walker killing that flagsmasher when at the same time, Steve killed far more than that and far more brutally. John Walker was the most sympathetic character in the series and Bucky and Sam were both horribly out of character.
@@Skiritai not if they're already killing and intend to kill again. Cold blood means without cause or reason. He had both. Maybe that guy wouldn't have been injured if he wasn't out murdering
@Chicken Nugget He was in the wrong though for how he went about things and how obvious it was to the established heroes that he was a time bomb about to go off a very bad path. Its not enough that he wants to be a good guy and do good things, the unfair pressure of people wanting him to automatically (and the fact the situation itself needing him to ) be something he wasn't when he undertook a mantle he wasnt ready for with an established legacy that didnt suit him, was going to destroy him as a person and under that weight he was going to become something monstrous. He just barely stopped himself from going down that path because he is actually a good person inside. He has an immature "means to an end" approach where he bludgeons his way through situations which ends up badly escalating situations again and again but this is because he is trying to lean in too hard trying to fill the role he hasnt earned in a situation which NEEDS him to already be ready. He's someone with the potential for greatness but needs to develop and establish his own mantle rather than ruin himself trying to become something he's not.
@@tenjenk If anyone was immature, it was Bucky and Sam. Had they cooperated with John Walker and Lemar from the beginning like's he's been trying to do, instead of dickriding Steve 24/7, then things would've gone a lot smoother for both parties. John Walker was more qualified to fill a role like Captain America than Steve ever was.
@@justinsarfo829 pls dont bother replying to people if the post you're going to make is already disproven by the very comment you're replying to. Especially if yoursl statements depends purely on "cause i said so" logic. I wont be replying to anything else cause im not up for cyclic arguements.
@@arturocastroverde3349 It's not that he's boring, I liked his character prior to this show They missed an opportunity to talk about the standard PJ mission he had in the military I thought they were gonna deal with that in episode 1 instead he fights GSP and lets him get away with it
I have to disagree John Walker kills an unarmed surrendering terrorsit/freedom fighter in cold blood, screams like a madman in his discharge, lies to Lamars parents, witch can be attributed to his ptsd but then he just does one good thing that just feels super out of character for him to do. And everything else is basically forgotten I wouldn’t mind at all a redemption story but that redemption story just doesn’t exist within the show. Like theirs nothing at all that could have possibly change his world view within any Scene he was in that would have changed his mind about not beheading every flag smasher And I don’t know it seems kinda unfair how a teenager dies and how John Walker gets out Scott free of all his wrong doings. Especially since they were kinda playing a yin yang story of one character representing globalism and the other nationalism of two total opposite both being villains
@@jaspinflame670 u are waaaayyy to sympathetic to a fictional terrorist. The moment they made the choice to say fuck it if innocent ppl to die they became liable for their actions. Thats like saying if they shot up a courthouse n got killed why did they killed for that. Uhhhh because they did hardcore criminal shit and needed to get put down.
@@jaspinflame670 John Walker has always been a good guy, to his countrymen at least, basic justice shit, it's just his PTSD, and violent nature makes him like an anti-hero. He is in that gray area. Didn't you remember? The flag smashers burned down houses full of innocent people as well. John Walker and the world thought all of the members and the leader had the same ill intentions so it's not his fault, he was in the heat of the moment after his best friend got killed, and the super serum juicing his mind. He's almost like Yelena but more harsh and more non-tolerant. So for me, he's the most interesting character in the show for me.
@@aleksandarvil5718 I meant a movie and/or series that only focuses on him as the main character but yes I can't wait to see him in Thunderbolts. I hope after the movie he gets his solo project. This character has a lot of potential.
@@joscar062 As awesome as that would be, Lemar was a normal human, not a Super-Soldier. He's dead and not coming back. It's a shame, because I really liked the guy. Side note, but for a show that supposedly preaches about black empowerment, they really don't give a shit about Lemar, do they?
That wasn't the Bucky Barnes I know and love, and it DEFINITELY wasn't the Winter Soldier. It just felt like a bitchy Sebastian Stan with a boring-looking metal arm.
Agreed his character was way more interesting and a relatable human being than the main protagonist's on their show. I honestly dislikes how the writers tries to make John as the asshole and the real villain of this show just because of him being Captain America but yet decides to make Karli and her gangs of super soldier terrorists the Flagsmashers a sympathetic villains like Naruto villains which is dumb and completely so stupid. I don't get the logic seriously
Everyone else uses the shield defensively. The fact that it seems like Walker goes OUT OF HIS WAY to use it offensively as a weapon goes so fucking hard.
I think Wyatt Russell nailed his job. From his body language to the way he uses the sheild different from Steve, to his Homelander type tense silence moments, everything as great.
I seriously don’t understand why fans hated John, he was my favourite character in the show. And I felt very sympathetic for him. He was willing to take the mantle of Captain America and do good by it, but because he lost his best friend Lemar, he got driven by his rage and crossed the line. But who can blame him? John may not be Captain America, but I’m happy he’s been given another chance, as the U.S. Agent.
Dude was a good person given a heavy mantle and an identity not his own, expected to automtically fit it. All of the conflict which occurs is a result of him trying too hard to fill a role he is not suited to and not ready for when all this time he deserved his own mantle to develop over time and an identity of his own.
i mean, captain america defied international governments, has killed thousands of people and done a lot of questionable things. This guy killed a terrorist, what's the difference?
The us agent outfit honestly looks better than his cap outfit, though it's just a recolor lol And I'm pretty sure they're gonna remake it for the movies
Probably because his cap costume was the recolor, his suit was designed after the US agent suit in the comics, so it looks weird with the red and blue.
As a character, I have so mad respect for John, I mean he made his own shield, somehow figured out how to throw it like Cap, and he was able to go toe to toe with Bucky and Sam!
Now people defending him lol, bandwagon was all over him for all the small things. Meanwhile I thought he was a good character, all that hate was nonsense tbh
Bruh totally. I know we really shouldn't be complaining that hes getting love now. But damn it's annoying. I remember when 90% of the comments were, "Walmart steve rogers" type comments. I gave him a chance from the very start. I knew he was a dude in a lose lose situation trying to "replace" steve. I like him even more after he killed that flagsmasher
Idk I always liked him from the start, really none of this was his fault. If anything it was Sam’s for giving up the shield and then him and Bucky instigating against John throughout the series.
@@peronafanman Same here. Even in the first episode, always has been a US Agent fan, I used to owned a US Agent action figure as a kid. And when I heard Walker is gonna be in this series, I was fucking excited, Wyatt Russel played him amazing.
@@zoombini1831 Rumor has it he'll be in Hawkeye along with Yelena as the new Black Widow. Hopefully that's true as I would love to see Wyatt interact with Jeremy Renner.
Honestly, he was the most complex, realistic and interesting character. The actor did a very good job. I'm very interested in seeing what he's going to be like and do in the future
He's the main reason I'm excited for the upcoming Thunderbolts movie. I hope that he and Bucky can reconcile, and that U.S. Agent gets his own spinoff series.
The amount of hate this guy got is so unreal. That’s how you know he’s a good actor.
The only thing that is doesn't make sense is the hate Wyatt Rusell (the actor who plays John) gets
@@proximius5629 people can’t tell the difference between and actor and a real person now I guess
It's not about hating him, it's about loving the Captain. And this obvious sociopath running around dressed like Steve and using his shield and fighting like him is an offensive mockery to the legacy and name of Captain America. It would be like Thawne putting on Barry's red suit claiming to be the new Flash! Like, what?!
@@QoQabai658 OP is talking about the actor and how crazy fans started harassing the actor for playing as John Walker
People dont know he playing the role of bad capt america
John making his own shield was a cool concept. It showed his unwillingness to drop the role as Captain America, and seeing him fight with it was intriguing to watch. Swinging it around, fighting more aggressively because the weight distribution and integrity was very different, but the moment he drops it, letting go of his thirst for vengeance and instead being the hero he'd always wanted to be was a defining moment for him. Fighting off The Flagsmashers as he held the truck was the moment that I finally decided he wasn't a bad person. Literally everyone who's taken that serum has suffered from it (except for Steve) so overpowering the mental effects to do the right thing took a lot and cements him as a hero.
I don’t know I just wish John had an actual redemption story line with him, i mean he just does one good thing that frankly feels super out of character for him to do, like how there is just nothing that could have changed Johns world view about anything that he wouldn’t want to just chop off every flag smasher heads
I wonder if he did that just to get recommisionned(idk if its the right word) as a soldier. I feel val told john on how to get back.
@@jaspinflame670 How so? He was a soldier and tried to be the best he could be, so when he realized people are in danger he has a choice: continue to fight for vengeance at that very moment or drop the shield and save the people that will fall to their death. Seems kinda familiar when you look back at The Amazing Spider-Man where Peter is out for vengeance first and then changes his view and responsibility once he saves the kid from the car and reunites him with his father instead of going after the Lizard
@@jaspinflame670 this was just an introduction to his character, he’s not a one and done addition to the mcu. I think it’s unfair to say this because we will most likely see his redemption or corruption in upcoming marvel media.
@@jaspinflame670 he is never a bad person in the first place, just feel an extreme pressure and needs for him to be captain america, clouded his sense of justice, and this is worsen with the serum i think
The voice Crack when he says "why are you making me do this?" Is top notch
Wyatt Russell did such a great job. It sounds like he's literally about to cry.
I feel that
so sad that he got death threats for just being such a great actor
@@TheMCA99 There is a bunch of crazy and pathetic people on Twitter/X.
Glad most people saw him as the most sympathetic character at the end of the day. He was asked to serve his country and fill shoes of one of the world's greatest heroes. He kept playing by the book while everyone else played by their own rules and it drove him nuts. So happy he didn't become a villain at the end. Way more interesting at the end.
True, but I don’t think he would have ever really become a “villain” even when angry he directs it towards the enemies. If he decided to not save that group of people in the end he wouldn’t be considered a hero but not a villain either, just a means justify the ends kind of guy
Part of John's issues that people overlook as to why he failed was because he was also an Afghan war vet dealing with PTSD - used by the government and given this talented but broken man the the role of a lifetime with immense pressure, only to be met by constant vitriol by his superhero peers except Lamar who then was murdered. Then the moment he becomes a liability he is dropped and discharged in an instant.
He's an anti hero in the comics
He was the best part of the show. And while he didn't handle the situation well, he still made more sense then the actual protagonist.
Wish we were getting a movie with him honestly
@@TheKingProtoif only there had been somebody in this show who specifically used to help soldiers in his situation.
Unfortunately there wasn’t and instead we got some doughnut in the Stars and Stripes now
After his introductory action sequence, I couldn't hate the guy. The fact that he held his own without the serum, flight suit or vibranium armor was insanely impressive - he was a home grown super soldier who just wanted to do the right thing. I was rooting for him all the way through.
He ended up being one of my favorite characters in the whole MCU.
Cap needs the serum to effectively fight, imagine if we gave someone in peak condition the super serum…
Nothing super about it tho, impressive and admirable, but super soldier? Not without the serum.
@@S3verusMyG that’s why out of all the super soldiers he’s the best and the strongest aside from isiah
@@S3verusMyG Thats not how the serum works though. You dont peak higher according to your physical state or martial expertise.
He's like seeing a real person/soldier in the Marvel universe. Wyatt portrayal of Walker's personality, especially his ptsd is plain amazing.
This character is really,really,really interesting and man I can't wait to see more of him.
That’s a large part of his appeal for me.
Walker was a badass. I liked how at the end he became (to me) one of the most sympathetic and interesting characters in the show.
He redeemed himself where Karli didn't, and properly showed that he is worthy of his own heroic praise.
Love the guy, and hope we can see more of him.
I have to kinda disagree John Walker kills an unarmed surrendering terrorsit/freedom fighter in cold blood, screams like a madman in his discharge, lies to Lamars parents, witch can be attributed to his ptsd but then he just does one good thing that just feels super out of character for him to do. And everything else is basically forgotten
I wouldn’t mind at all a redemption story but that redemption story just doesn’t exist within the show. Like theirs nothing at all that could have possibly change his world view within any Scene he was in that would have changed his mind about not beheading every flag smasher
And I don’t know it seems kinda unfair how a teenager dies and how John Walker gets out Scott free of all his wrong doings. Especially since they were kinda playing a yin yang story of one character representing globalism and the other nationalism of two total opposite both being villains
@@jaspinflame670 that "Freedom Fighter" was a terrorist who was attempting to kill John which cause lemar to get killed instead. And he wasn't surrendering, he was trying to escape until John caught up with him. If you want to say what John did was wrong than you must also say what Thor did was wrong when he beheaded thanos out of revenge even though Thanos was weak, crippled, and outnumbered
what dude he was on the ground begging for his life, did u even watch
@@jaspinflame670 dude at that point realized he screwed up big time. He and the rest of the flagsmashers were children that thought they can fight the world. When his group resorted to murder what the hell did they think was going to happen. I mean, heck, the episode before this, the flagsmashers bombs a building with soldiers. One of which was mentioned to be the father of 2 and had only been on the job for 2 weeks but did you think the flagsmashers cared???? Didnt seem like it, especially karli.
@@jaspinflame670 I don't think a character begging for his life because he got caught really equates to anything when he masterminded/orchestrated multiple plots to harm/disrupt the peace/and kill others. Especially when it's not out of the realm of possibility that he would continue to weasel his way out of the situation if he was allowed to escape.
I think any sentiment supporting him at or past that point is just over-empathizing.
Honestly I’m really glad that he hasn’t gone full bad guy I really like seeing him as a somewhat good guy
He's anti hero in the comics
@@AJ-dx6bn Yeah I was worried they would change that and turn him into a 1 dimensional villain
Be honest I do understand what John Walker is been told and he doesn't need Lamar but I think Lamar would be proud of him
He's not a bad guy, but he isn't a goody two shoes either. That's what make him a good character.
I kinda agree I just wished he had at least some sort of redemption for him, but no he just does one single good thing that feels super out of character for him to do for no reason
Honestly I started liking him more than the real leads of the show
He was the best character/part of this whole show if you ask me.
@@bighand1530
Only reason why I'm interested in seeing the thunderbolts
@@joscar062 Same
Believe me, you're not alone.
I liked bucky, but didn't care for what they did with falcon for most of the show
Honestly, John is a very well written character. They could have made him full bad guy. But decided to give him an anti hero role. Love it.
Ti be fair us agent is an antihero in the comucs
only reason i watched the show tbh
He's the real hero of the show tbh. Also, he 1 v 2s the protags and almost wins as a brand-new super soldier with way less experience. So, he's literally just built different.
man uhh, the winter soldier has killed more people than marlboros, and I've seen sam unload uzi's into the "bad guys", where do they get the nerve for judging him for avenging his buddy or whatever this lame show wherein US Agent seems to be the only character worth watching
He has always been anti hero comic accurate, part of thunderbolts
John Walker may not have deserved Captain America's shield, but I do think he deserves a shield of his own. One that isn't made of regular steel at least.😂
He actually got a lot of shields in the comics. Wonder if they’ll go in that route in the Thunderbolts.
@@lunalegion I'd love to see him team up with a guy like Zemo too.
He has some kind of shield that almost looks like it’s made of stone cement
@@niklee2682
You mean the star shield? Or the eagle shield? He’s had about 5 in the comics.
@@lunalegion I don't remember it being a star. Actually, there was just a circle around it I believe in red and white trim, but nothing else on the version I'm referring to. But it looks like it's made of some kind of tempered stone.
Walker represents a huge group of people in the US who are trained to be killers and then abandoned when they try to come back from that. Just like in the show, all they get are performative salutes and fanfare, but when they truly need physical and mental help, they’re on their own. Walker had huge rage and self-acceptance issues, but it’s not like those traits weren’t trained into him.
Spot on! Which makes the trend of worshiping characters that have been thoroughly broken by their context as unstoppable men of action is really off-putting. Just like the Joker. Their stories are tragic and knowing there's so many people in the world that have so little to look forward to that they see cornered wolves as inspirational is a bit disturbing.
@jermastan1636 It's very telling that you want to gatekeep PTSD and strawman people going through shit to do so.
Even better was that something similar was talkrd about in Agent Carter
I never looked at it from that angle. This blew my mind
@@mechanomics2649 gatekeeping ptsd? Wow, what a casual subject isnt it? To criticise the false use and hypocritical users of the term but then be accused of gatekeeping it.
It's sad how Wyatt Russel received death threats for this role, its extremely unfair towards him
Some of the people on Twitter can extremely idiotic and flat out insane.
Personally, i dont like the idea of him being cap. Nobody can perfect it other than chris evans. But i dont really have him. He has good fight scenes and i love it
he also got a fan
@cc yuh
Just a sign of how well he acted in the role and how he conveyed a conflicted flawed character with the potential of greatness being given an extremely heavy mantle he was not ready for.
Most interesting character in the show.
Least.
@@HisWorldx NAH get out Steve fan boy
@@HisWorldx Walker is a way more interesting character than Steve ever was in the mcu.
I actually suspected him being in the show back when it was newly announced
@@HisWorldx Steve is just morally good 24/7. Some bad boys are much cooler.
People that dislike/hate John Walker is honestly a tell for the type of person you are, either morally bankrupt or just too easily influenced by what a script wants you to believe.
Ever since the start John was always a team player, always putting others first. The introduction of his abilities as a soldier on top of the moving trucks says it all. He jumps in as a non-super to help Buck and Falcon, the whole time he is prioritizing keeping the whole team safe, if you watch that scene he's not just in there fighting, he's in there preventing the enemy from landing hits on his team, and he does it SUCCESSFULLY, as a non-supe. After they all fail, John talks to our "protagonists" to assure them he's not trying to take Steve's place, he just wants to do what he can to help, and their response to him is near sociopathic, showing nothing but hate to this man that helped them and trying to put their frustrations at ease.
Then we get to the Wakandan fight, where these women are throwing KILL SHOTS at John, and he's skilled enough to just narrowly dodge out of their kill shots. Bucky and Falcon? Just on stand by throwing insults at HIM, him that put HIS life at risk in a fight to help THEM, despite being massively underpowered yet still pulling through.
Then when he kills the terrorist. That terrorist tried to restrain him so that the ginger could run in and stab to KILL him, but Lemar jumped in to save John which ended up with his murder by the terrorists. John charges to take vengence on that filth that had the nerve to try to kill him, played a hand in killing Lamar, tried to kill him during the chase, and then had the nerve to beg for his life.
Fast forward, John is having a break down, his beloved partner has been murdered, his life ruined due to the terrorist kill being recorded, and all he thinks to do is to bury it further to continue his duties. What do Buck and Falcon do? They try to take EVEN MORE from him at a time everything else has been taken from him, up until that point John was actually listening to them. He tries to deescalate a fight between them all and says "You don't want to do this" and Buck responds "Yeah we do"...The man just went through so much trauma only for Falcon and Bucky to say, "You haven't suffered enough, give us the last thing you have, we want to fight you!" Throughout that fight scene John is pleading with them, "Why are you making me do this!?"
Then in the final moments, where he's lost everything, his battle partner he loved, his status as Captain America, and his position as a soldier, he decides to go out and face terrorists regardless, on his own. Through the fight he is met with an ultimatum, get his revenge for the murder of his friend, or save the people the terrorists are trying to kill. Despite the trauma and the pain, he decides that the lives of the innocent are more important than his vengeance, only to have the terrorists stop him.
Anyone that HATES that character? Yeah, you're morally f*cked in my opinion. Sure, you can say he made some wrong calls in his duty representing the title of Captain America but you cannot call him a bad man without reporting your own messed up morality. You especially can't call him the "bad man" while in support of Bucky and Falcon, two utterly butchered characters that hated the man that done whatever he could to be understanding and help them only to be met with hatred, meanwhile those protagonists offered WAY MORE empathy and acceptance of literal terrorists that killed innocent people.
John Walker was what made this show bearable.
Thank you!!
Well said.
hit the nail on the head i remember watching youtube reactions and people were like yeah u baddy u dont deserve the shield
Gotta love how not liking a character clearly going through sanity slippage means you have a fucked morality in your twisted heads. Honestly John should have called it quits as Captain America after his partner died, but he was too obsessed to stop. The man was just not up for the job.
@@EmptyMan000 I didn't hear any argument against what I said though.
John Walker is one of my favorite characters the MCU has to offer.
Remember the backlash towards the actor who plays him that made him delete his social media? I felt so bad for the guy. 😔
Those aren't real marvel fans, just plain idiots
@@Chris-qe2dq Mostly little kids, which is why personally I think it should be illegal for little kids and people under the age of 18 to have access to social media.
Same happen to Élisabeth Olsen when she said nothing about Chadwick Boseman's death
This is so stupid !!
@@metrometheus641 But parents are so lazy with this so
@@OutCast907 I wouldn’t say lazy, I would say irresponsible.
I didn’t understand Buckys and Sams hate toward John at the start
He was just filling in a role, if it wasn’t him it would have been another soldier
Yes it must have been devastating that they tried to replace Steve like that but it wasn’t Johns idea to begin with
Yes i agree , and when zemo show he is rich , that is bad idea..
This film have bad script..
Honestly, Sam was at fault for giving up the shield. I honestly think they were mad at themselves or each other and just vented anger and frustration in John's direction.
Zemo was a Baron...a Royal figure...comic accurate...
@@Soul-tz2ex but aam didn’t know it would go to someone else
@@taegongsill8699 what tf r u even going on about lmao like what?
He literally had the best character development ever in only 5 episodes while being a side character 👏lmao
I'm watching thunderbolts for this guy and bucky, hope they form a badass friendship.
Tell me about it
Testify, brother.
Literally the best character in the entire show. And im pretty sure that wasn’t the writers intention
I wholeheartedly agree. I feel like all the “bad guys”- Walker, Zemo, Carter- stole the show for me. Had zero sympathy for the flagsmashers and dwindling interest in their portrayal of Bucky and Sam. Meanwhile all the morally darker characters get the coolest development
Yeah
@@tlshortyshorty5810 Sam realized sooner or later he had to take up mantle, regardless of race. I mean if Cap took down Nazis, Americans would've accepted him overtime.
For Bucky, he can finally redeem himself and gain his autonomy to become the hero he wasn't destined to be. These were well done to me, cause they don't have to rely on Steve anymore to be the leaders the Avengers needs atm.
@@tlshortyshorty5810 the Flagsmashers were idiots, I'll give you that.
@@tlshortyshorty5810
I’ll only agree to both Zemo and Walker
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The fact that he is a pure human with no tech, serum or augmentation shows how immensely powerful he is
I have not watched the series did he not get serum from the beginning
@@aryanpozung no He is actually just trained to be like cap. He is a regular human until he takes a dose in 5th episode
@@hexagonshorts2186 woh now that's amazing 🤌
He injected the serum.
@@abelcheriyanroy3743 Not during the truck roof fight. Watch the show properly
How ironic that the person that they tried to make the villain became the best character in the show
John walker in the comics is when ever he joins a group they already hate him and want him out after a bit of time he is like family to them... Happened with him in every team he joined
That's kind of sad, and yet after all the rejection by multiple people and teams; he's still (sort of) good. I hope they do something like this whenever we see him again.
@@ThisFaceWasMadeForRADIO he is good. He just a person who needed mentoring to guide him in his younger days... From the comics I read.. What he thinks is not what he says. He thinks nice things about people and cares for them but when he opens his mouth he is an asshole. And but then again other Heros already hate him for no good reason and treats him as beneath them... He is misunderstood heavily
@@mirrorman8549 Exactly i mean he is even better than his comic counterpart
I never hated him only because another movie 😆
the way john throws bucky around and him tanking flag smashers like he's michael myers shows he's a notch above normal super soldiers which makes sense since he's close to peak human already
The reason that he’s so strong is because he doesn’t hold back when he fights. Steve and Sam are always trying to keep the body count as low as possible, so they hold back their full strength when they fight, but John focuses on getting the job done, and less on protecting the lives of terrorists, so he hits harder and deals more damage
@@proctorritter5176 is that from the script you wrote in your head? The writers and director intended to show what they did and it's inline with the comics and in fact the power ratings from the classic trading cards which you can look up yourself. They already stated he's peak human before the serum, without serums involved John would whoop bucky and Steve at the same time
@@zeroone3804 Plus the new serum is much better version of the old serum, these new super soldiers are more powerful than the older ones and John is the strongest.
@@zeroone3804 Exactly John Is no joke I hope we see more of him with better direction.
@@zeroone3804 "without serums involved John whoop Bucky and Steve at the same time" yea you lost all credibility with that idiotic drivel.
John Walker was already at peak human strength pre-serum.
He probably surpasses Steve Rogers in terms of raw power by now.
In terms of anger management? He’s not there yet, as evidenced by his handing of the Flagsmasher guy. But in terms of raw strength? He might just be the strongest human character in the MCU.
Yeah, this dude is legit like if Captain America could get even more steroids 😂
Not enough people seem to pick up on this. Steve was puny before he got the serum and it made him superhuman. John was ALREADY borderline superhuman before he got the serum.
Steve: 5+50=55
John: 20+50=70
Nah Steve got more than just the serum. The machine made him peak human as well. He's basically a guy on roids that then took the serum. So Steve would still be stronger.
Raw strength absolutely, but Steve Rogers' formula had a lot more going for it, it improved his mind as well.
Walker really shows off his more brutal fighting style through using the edges of the shield much more than Steve ever did
As much as I like Steve Rogers, I like that John Walker isn’t Steve Rogers if that makes sense.
@@bighand1530
He did say he’s not trying to be like Steve in ep 2
Steve tries to knock you out, John tries to kill you
What are you talking about? Steve use the edge of the shield all the time, the movies just didn't show blood on it. What do you think make the impact with the target each tim he throw the shield? The surface?
@@KenjiAsakura09 Yep. That's what they're like in the comics, too.
He's easily the best character in the show. While he doesn't exactly have the moral fiber to be Captain America, he has physical and training qualifications. Imagine that, awarding someone a position based on merit. Not to mention, he's not portrayed as if he's perfect or his flaws are the result of some science fiction or fantasy effect. He's easily the most human character on the show.
Who is to say that he doesn't have the Moral Fiber?
@@harrybaldino8955 He's a soldier that was trained to obey orders. Steve was a civilian that eventually learned to command a team. It's a different world because Steve puts the greater good over his role while John was unable to think beyond his orders. That's why he couldn't be Captain America. He could not think beyond his duty to serve the greater good.
@@machdude3366 you just said Steve put the greater good over his role. Then said John couldn't look past his duty to serve the greater good. You can't tell me that Sam and Bucky did not fuck up during this series because they did in multiple ways I will literally point each way out
@@harrybaldino8955 It means that John's weakness is in his inability to look beyond rank. Sam and Bucky are closer to Steve in the fact that they are free agents and have a strong moral code that let's them take do justice as they intend it. While John has a strong will, he lacks the ability to think on his own which makes him dependent and vulnerable to hierarchy. It's why he thinks in black and white, can't be flexible in a plan and ultimately trusts a third party with dubious credentials. He is not able to think on his feet.
@@machdude3366 so you don't want me to state everything Sam and Bucky did wrong?
John Walker is like finding a gold nugget in a mountain of sh!t.
One of the few positive factors of the current MCU.
@Jerma Stan don't forget he's hwite
@@datboi9539 Like he's the only strong confident male present in the show. Your types are always afraid and hate whatever threatens your idols of masculinity, no matter how big of an asshole they happen to be.
@jermastan1636 I found John Walker sympathetic... but what in the world is likable about fucking Homelander?
@@Hatypusim a girl and love homelander😂
The level of detail when John doesn’t have the serum he gets pushed around but doesn’t when he has it and when fighting Bucky and sam , sam gets pushed 5 ft with a kick and looks like a reg fight between Bucky and john
And yet he was alreadh stronger without it
@@OutCast907 wrong
This show just has shitty power levels,lol his serum is the same serum all flagsmashers got, yet they weren't even slightly stronger than Bucky, plus John with serum got his ass handed to him by Karli, yet Bucky, who is supposed to be one of the best fighters in the MCU, got humilated. What is more, Sam is somehow fighting on the same level with Bucky, while he should get knocked out from a single punch from Walker. They fucking nerfed the Winter Soldier hard, he can't catch a shield throw from a comparable opponent and his vibranium (!) arm malfunctions after he is thrown into a fucking wall. I'm not even talking about Falcon holding a bus with his hands, even with the assistance from his wings he would've been squeezed under its weight. The action in this show is trash honestly, which is not surprise considering that producers themselves have no idea how strong their characters actually are
@@nikersramnikers7081 bruh those terrorist has no fighting experience. Bucly on the other hand went to countless one man missions for 50 years. So it’s not the power level that's messed up, it's your damn brain!
@@farhanasharmin8997 yeah, but somehow one of these untrained terrorists beat Walker in h2h, while Bucky with his years of experience was treated like a ragdoll. Sure, the power levels are alright, nothing to complain about
Anyone else kinda mad that this rag-tag group of juiced-up hippies has even the tiniest amount of skill to compete with Bucky, Sam, and John in hand-to-hand combat?
Kinda.
Lol yeah. Karli was so annoying
Keep in mind that the serum they used is a better enhanced version of the old one, but still, is complete bullshit
Well in the begging they were clearly taken by suprise because they dident knoe the flag smasher were super soldier
And bucky clearly wasnt fighting seriously because he was trying to hurt less people and they were also a little confused
of john walker being captain america during the first fight
@@Elcocorococ the only difference is that the new one doesn’t add any mass to the person taking it
Wyatt Russell did a fantastic job on the show. It is so disgusting and horrible how the fans treated him.
That actually played a part why I like both the US Agent character and Wyatt Russell himself.
Yeah its honestly very immature of the fans threatening on Wyatt Rusell just because of his role as Captain America over a fictional characters is honestly dumb and ridiculous. John Walker honestly was way interesting and the most human relatable characters than the two main protagonist's on their own show, i honestly watch the show because of his character and was more hype for him than Sam & Bucky
@@bighand1530Same for me, rubs my contrarian brain the right way. But seriously I’m kinda pissed that so many fans and reactors that profess to be “empathetic” or riding their moral high horse end up playing right into the narratives plan(as far as the first couple episodes). Few stopped to think about who he was and what he’s been through. They feel bad for him when the plot tells them it’s ok to feel bad for him.
@@dingleberry4234 I hear ya.
@@dimazfantasy5252 Tell me about it.
1:54 best scene, the whole chase and execution 10/10 the shots of jumping through the window, the landing on the car, the leap jump from the car to the ground and of course that badass suspenseful theme in the background. This is the best scene of the entire show for me. You can't help but route for John Walker for wanting to avenge his pal and be on the edge of your seat and think, oOOHH SHIT, something badass is going to happen!
the real hero of the show, that did not sided with terrorist
I love how he's a character with a good heart but that doesn't have the patience for BS, if he's got a job to do then he just go and do it 👏
One of the best MCU CHARACTERS. I was really worried they’d screw him up
Agreed. I liked him more than the show`s two main title characters.
@@bighand1530 same and this is coming from a winter soldier fan
he’s the only reason i watched this show tbh
Agreed his character was way more interesting and the most human relatable than the two main characters on their own show. He is overall my favorite character in the MCU
John Walker Deserves a Show
Nah a movie
John Walker is so underrated. What a character
anybody else notice how he REALLY doesn't want to fight Sam and Bucky. Like during the fight he even says "why are you making me do this". and even with the Dora Milage, they throw a spear at him out of no where and for no reason. He consistently does the right thing but is shit on for it anyways.
Yup agreed he wasn’t fighting to kill them either.Well maybe at one point he tried to kill falcon.
Sam and bucky were complete idiots and immature with him
@@arachnoman7421 You know they messed up when it's you of all people saying so.
@@arachnoman7421 You should put some dirt in their eyes.
@@arachnoman7421 Put some dirt in their eyes, Maguire!
I've always liked the character I would like more of him on the MCU
My favourite
Yeah we’re defo seeing more of him which is great
@@hxnrytaylor Didn't Wyatt Russell say he might not come back?
@@bighand1530 idk
He's the only reason why i watch this show
Bro was just good at his job, got a promotion that no one was happy about, and let the stress get to him. I don’t think the character let alone the actor deserves hate
Tell me about it
Good Marvel, he has his accurate colors. Now please let him use his gun more.
Yes more gun and shield action I want to see him straight up kill people instead of knocking them out like Steve
I was happy and surprised he actually used it at all.
@cc
Thunderbolts the only movie other than New World Order I’m looking forward to in phase 5
People hate John Walker for killing that dude but according to Thor he goated Steve Rogers into killing two prisoners and made Thor swear he’d never tell anyone 😂😂
Is that in the comics?
@@nikketasnowden no watch ok UA-cam “team Thor”
@@lukekiely2450 oh I think I know what you're talking about. I just don't remember.
Thank you for the response.
Fucked up thing is that the avengers regularly kill people in the movies.
@@airsir9559 yeah and thor brutally killed thanos
Wyatt Russell is an amazing actor!
Amazing fight scenes!
steve: tears the avengers apart because of his best friend
everyone: he's doing it for friendship. there's nothing wrong with that
john: kills a terrorist because of his best friend
everyone: what a monster! how could he ever be captain america?!
however given that both john and cap were both put in a situation where they could kill with the shield, cap choose not too
No, Steve just didn't agree with Tony's decision, A lot of them didn't even if they have no other choice
If Steve would be like John then sadly Tony would have died much earlier in Civil War but it isn't.
Natasha: There is a difference
Cap didn't murder anyone and was doing an act of mercy. It's the complete opposite.
@@swannavenha he killed a ton of people with that shield, you just didn’t see the blood.
The only guy with professionalism in this show
Coming back to this, it's insane how they made this series & cast such a perfect actor to play John Walker. I honestly love his portrayal & given the hate and harrassment he receieved countlessly which literally shouldn't have happened at all, shows how much of a good actor he is.
This whole TV Series is about how hard it is to find a replacement for Captain America. Walker actually proved that. Falcon is always Falcon. Now with a Shield. He or Winter Soldier is the next best thing.
thats right. it show that by simply either carrying the shield, super serum, skin colour, service record etc. is not what make someone a captain america
after all steve roger before take the serum has nothing compared to john walker. that guy still not a captain america despite having the shield and become super soldier. what steve roger has is good heart. he remain who he was even after taking the serum. he doesnt change at all while other people changed after taken the serum.
Thats the main conflict of the series infact and why so many people have opposing opinions about him. The truth is that Walker is a capable and good person but being forced to take the heavy mantle and legacy of Captain America was one he just was not ready for. He was buckling under the pressure of having to instantly be great and fit the role, coming up short of something he was not suited to as both peoples expectations and the necessity of the situation required him to automatically be something he was not. It doesnt help that he depends on external values rather than inner strength for his moral fibre and integrity, a shaky foundation unfit for what was called of him under this mantle and in the situations he faced during the show.
All of the friction caused between him and the duo, plus his habit of constantly escalating situations and his frustrations crumbling his integrity and will to do good, was a result of these pressures and expectations where he was trying too hard to fill a seperate role and identity he was not suited to or ready for. Instead he always needed to establish his own identity and mantle.
@@kumomeme7852 Before the serum Cap was still smarter than Walker.
@@captainjefferies9047 no, lol.
@@ragasayad5103 Pretending to laugh is how stupid people let your betters know that you really want to refute something but can't.
What the falcon and ws did to him was dirty, rather than mentoring him they stole his shield and ruin his life
It wasn't his shield to claim, and he certainly didn't deserve it after executing that guy in cold blood.
Sam willingly rejected the shield, so obviously the government was gonna choose someone else.
Also y’all moan about John Walker killing that flagsmasher when at the same time, Steve killed far more than that and far more brutally.
John Walker was the most sympathetic character in the series and Bucky and Sam were both horribly out of character.
@brianschultz962 didn't that guy just murder someone? Do you know what "in cold blood" means?
@@DRourkey When you kill someone who is now incapable of defending themselves, it is then in cold blood.
@@Skiritai not if they're already killing and intend to kill again. Cold blood means without cause or reason. He had both.
Maybe that guy wouldn't have been injured if he wasn't out murdering
Idk why many people hate him so much, imo he is the most relatable character ever in MCU
Bro just wanted to fill in the shoes for his hero
@Chicken Nugget He was in the wrong though for how he went about things and how obvious it was to the established heroes that he was a time bomb about to go off a very bad path. Its not enough that he wants to be a good guy and do good things, the unfair pressure of people wanting him to automatically (and the fact the situation itself needing him to ) be something he wasn't when he undertook a mantle he wasnt ready for with an established legacy that didnt suit him, was going to destroy him as a person and under that weight he was going to become something monstrous. He just barely stopped himself from going down that path because he is actually a good person inside.
He has an immature "means to an end" approach where he bludgeons his way through situations which ends up badly escalating situations again and again but this is because he is trying to lean in too hard trying to fill the role he hasnt earned in a situation which NEEDS him to already be ready. He's someone with the potential for greatness but needs to develop and establish his own mantle rather than ruin himself trying to become something he's not.
@@tenjenk If anyone was immature, it was Bucky and Sam. Had they cooperated with John Walker and Lemar from the beginning like's he's been trying to do, instead of dickriding Steve 24/7, then things would've gone a lot smoother for both parties. John Walker was more qualified to fill a role like Captain America than Steve ever was.
@@justinsarfo829 pls dont bother replying to people if the post you're going to make is already disproven by the very comment you're replying to. Especially if yoursl statements depends purely on "cause i said so" logic. I wont be replying to anything else cause im not up for cyclic arguements.
Sure. Not Ant-Man. The murderer.
Psycho.
Without this character, the show would have been boring. He was the difference. Loved his interpretation of the character.
Him and Zemo were the highlights of this show
True. Sam is so boring
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It's not that he's boring, I liked his character prior to this show
They missed an opportunity to talk about the standard PJ mission he had in the military I thought they were gonna deal with that in episode 1 instead he fights GSP and lets him get away with it
@@joscar062 to each of their own i supose
US Agent villain arc is better than the whole show.
I loved that he got to redeem himself at the end. he's not cap america. He's the guy you send to get the job done. Great actor.
My favorite chatacter from the show ngl
I have to disagree John Walker kills an unarmed surrendering terrorsit/freedom fighter in cold blood, screams like a madman in his discharge, lies to Lamars parents, witch can be attributed to his ptsd but then he just does one good thing that just feels super out of character for him to do. And everything else is basically forgotten
I wouldn’t mind at all a redemption story but that redemption story just doesn’t exist within the show. Like theirs nothing at all that could have possibly change his world view within any Scene he was in that would have changed his mind about not beheading every flag smasher
And I don’t know it seems kinda unfair how a teenager dies and how John Walker gets out Scott free of all his wrong doings. Especially since they were kinda playing a yin yang story of one character representing globalism and the other nationalism of two total opposite both being villains
@@jaspinflame670 u are waaaayyy to sympathetic to a fictional terrorist. The moment they made the choice to say fuck it if innocent ppl to die they became liable for their actions. Thats like saying if they shot up a courthouse n got killed why did they killed for that. Uhhhh because they did hardcore criminal shit and needed to get put down.
@@jaspinflame670 and to add on Steve also initially lied to Tony about “not knowing” bucky killed his parents.
Same
@@jaspinflame670 John Walker has always been a good guy, to his countrymen at least, basic justice shit, it's just his PTSD, and violent nature makes him like an anti-hero. He is in that gray area. Didn't you remember? The flag smashers burned down houses full of innocent people as well. John Walker and the world thought all of the members and the leader had the same ill intentions so it's not his fault, he was in the heat of the moment after his best friend got killed, and the super serum juicing his mind. He's almost like Yelena but more harsh and more non-tolerant. So for me, he's the most interesting character in the show for me.
Really great character. Walker deserves his own movie and/or series. I hope Marvel do it in the future.
*Thunderbolts*
@@aleksandarvil5718 I meant a movie and/or series that only focuses on him as the main character but yes I can't wait to see him in Thunderbolts. I hope after the movie he gets his solo project. This character has a lot of potential.
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I want to see Battlestar return so they can explain their backstory into a limited series
@@joscar062 Man that would be amazing fr
@@joscar062 As awesome as that would be, Lemar was a normal human, not a Super-Soldier. He's dead and not coming back. It's a shame, because I really liked the guy.
Side note, but for a show that supposedly preaches about black empowerment, they really don't give a shit about Lemar, do they?
Best part of the show I hope we see more of him down the line.
Bucky is the definition of the boss after you unlock them as a playable character
That wasn't the Bucky Barnes I know and love, and it DEFINITELY wasn't the Winter Soldier. It just felt like a bitchy Sebastian Stan with a boring-looking metal arm.
Best Character in the show. Hands down.
Agreed
Holy crap, I just realized that John Walker was Zook (the quarterback) from 22 Jump Street when I first saw TFATWS.
The fight scenes in TFaTWS were incredible., some of the best in the mc
I actually like him more than Sam and Bucky
Same
they were such assholes in the show.
Agreed his character was way more interesting and a relatable human being than the main protagonist's on their show. I honestly dislikes how the writers tries to make John as the asshole and the real villain of this show just because of him being Captain America but yet decides to make Karli and her gangs of super soldier terrorists the Flagsmashers a sympathetic villains like Naruto villains which is dumb and completely so stupid. I don't get the logic seriously
@@dimazfantasy5252like Palestine and Israel right now
Two questions
How?
And why did you make this political?
I loved the US agent, I'll die on this hill. I'm so keen to see him again.
US Agent is the main reason I wanna see Thunderbolts.
dam right @@bighand1530
@@bighand1530 Dont forget Bucky's on the Thunderbolts too. There's gonna be friction.
@@EBNall True
U.S. Agent deserves his own show.
Agreed. Along with a movie as well too.
This technically is his show since he was the star and have him be the star in the poster
@@joscar062 I still think he is underrated.
Same i was so happy and hyped when he is getting debut in FATW, he is more cooler and interesting than the two main protagonist on their own show.
@@dimazfantasy5252You're telling me.
Everyone else uses the shield defensively. The fact that it seems like Walker goes OUT OF HIS WAY to use it offensively as a weapon goes so fucking hard.
I really like his fighting style here
1:31 is it just me? or the oof sound effect was used here
Now I cant unhear it
damn 33 likes! didn't even notice it
@@TheDailySorcery same lol
anyways I had more likes
He said: It wasn't me.
I think Wyatt Russell nailed his job. From his body language to the way he uses the sheild different from Steve, to his Homelander type tense silence moments, everything as great.
Homelander's a murderously psychopath while John Walker is a good man on the wrong road to get him the the right road he needed a mentor
I saw him more of as Soldier Boy than Homelander
Homelander is a narcisstic villain whilst John is a hero who is a human with flaws, has mistake, and has faults like us
Y'all I didn't say he is like Homelander... I said he has momemts of intense silence just like Homelander does, which I liked.
John walker was actually the good guy in this entire series.
I seriously don’t understand why fans hated John, he was my favourite character in the show. And I felt very sympathetic for him. He was willing to take the mantle of Captain America and do good by it, but because he lost his best friend Lemar, he got driven by his rage and crossed the line. But who can blame him? John may not be Captain America, but I’m happy he’s been given another chance, as the U.S. Agent.
Dude was a good person given a heavy mantle and an identity not his own, expected to automtically fit it. All of the conflict which occurs is a result of him trying too hard to fill a role he is not suited to and not ready for when all this time he deserved his own mantle to develop over time and an identity of his own.
He didn't even cross the line.
i mean, captain america defied international governments, has killed thousands of people and done a lot of questionable things. This guy killed a terrorist, what's the difference?
Unlike most of the characters nowadays, John actually goes through the Hero's Journey. Gets knocked down, fails, and comes back stronger than ever.
Now this is a man worthy of being a Captain America.
Walker vs Bucky and Sam is one of my favorite action scenes in the whole MCU. It’s so raw and layered
Even though Bucky and Sam were massive dicks throughout the show and never once did anything likeable.
he actually grew on me, and seeing him go from good fighter to enhanced was so dope
1:35 John walker made that metal pipe look like a fricking pool noodle, even the person holding the pipe was scared!
Such an AMAZING character 🔥 I freaking love him
He's not totally a bad guy, he was just like us humans who lose temper sometimes and you'll lose yourself completely If your friend died like this.
He's also an Afghan vet so he got PTSD and goes berserk when angry.. like when he's friend is killed
I love this guy as cap. He did as good as any of us would have. He had some redemption at the end.
Our hero!
Favorite character in the MCU as of now
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Favorite character in phase 4, no doubt
@@joscar062 Agreed
After seeing this show Wyatt Russel is now my favorite actor! Hands down! He's a bad ass like his dad and sweet like his mom. Great actor!
he carried out the ptsd side perfectly , but it went right over ppls head bevause hur dur he a baddy
This show is visually beautiful
He is my second favourite character in the show
Who's your first
Probably Bucky, or the Dora Milaje idk
He is my favorite.
Most likely Zemo
My favorite character, he's so badass ❤
My favorite Captain America. Brutal. Savage.
His outfit is super gorgeous absolutely perfect.
John Walker was dead-ass the best part of the show
This is great character IMHO he still got heart and flaws, that what's make it super interesting
I love you Wyatt Russell
Holy crap, I watched 22 Jump Street first, before TFATWS and realized John Walker was that quarterback from 22 Jump Street.
The us agent outfit honestly looks better than his cap outfit, though it's just a recolor lol
And I'm pretty sure they're gonna remake it for the movies
Probably because his cap costume was the recolor, his suit was designed after the US agent suit in the comics, so it looks weird with the red and blue.
Wyatt Russell nailed this role and I hope to see more
He will return in thunderbolts
Loved his character, loved his actor.
One of the few actually well written new characters.
As a character, I have so mad respect for John, I mean he made his own shield, somehow figured out how to throw it like Cap, and he was able to go toe to toe with Bucky and Sam!
Now people defending him lol, bandwagon was all over him for all the small things. Meanwhile I thought he was a good character, all that hate was nonsense tbh
I agree completely bro. It’s so funny how all of a sudden everyone loves him when half these people wanted him dead.
Bruh totally. I know we really shouldn't be complaining that hes getting love now. But damn it's annoying. I remember when 90% of the comments were, "Walmart steve rogers" type comments. I gave him a chance from the very start. I knew he was a dude in a lose lose situation trying to "replace" steve. I like him even more after he killed that flagsmasher
Idk I always liked him from the start, really none of this was his fault. If anything it was Sam’s for giving up the shield and then him and Bucky instigating against John throughout the series.
I liked him from the start
@@peronafanman Same here. Even in the first episode, always has been a US Agent fan, I used to owned a US Agent action figure as a kid. And when I heard Walker is gonna be in this series, I was fucking excited, Wyatt Russel played him amazing.
John Walker Actually Shows how much Steve holds back
Yeah dude.
Full support to John,,,👍👍 because I feel that moment when your friend has died before your eyes🥺
I wonder when U.S. Agent will show up next, also it would be cool if we got an U.S. Agent show like his two comic book series.
He’ll probably show up in a dark avengers or thunderbolts storyline if I had to gues
@@jaspinflame670 he wasn't a member of thunderbolts in the comics tho
He’ll probably show up in Thunderbolts, Avengers 5, or Captain America 4.
He’ll probably appear in Hawkeye later this year
@@zoombini1831 Rumor has it he'll be in Hawkeye along with Yelena as the new Black Widow. Hopefully that's true as I would love to see Wyatt interact with Jeremy Renner.
I love how he does hold his strength back
0:17 NGL that shield to gun combo is slick too.
By far my favorite part of the series. Loved his character arc and I thought Wyatt Russel did a fantastic job portraying him
Wyatt did a good job with the character really definitely would like to see him more
Honestly, he was the most complex, realistic and interesting character. The actor did a very good job. I'm very interested in seeing what he's going to be like and do in the future
He is my favorite character the MCU has had in more recent times.
He's the main reason I'm excited for the upcoming Thunderbolts movie. I hope that he and Bucky can reconcile, and that U.S. Agent gets his own spinoff series.
remember in last episode he still can fight alone with super soldiers.. strongest hero
Interesting how Steve's fighting style is graceful, timed, and with purpose. While John is rough, relentless, brawly
I like how when he's angry he just tanks all the damage from multiple Supersoldiers
Bruh I love usagent
Same