@@PenneySoundsWhile not in the movie itself, the comic about that week (I forget the name) had Natasha undercover at the university at the time of the attack...
Another thing that's funny to imagine is how Thor and Tony's encounter with Pierce in the lobby would have gone without future Tony and Scott to interfere with it. Sure looked like Pierce was going to take the Tesseract, but we know he didn't.
@@Starsaber222 I wish it was, would have been a great use of Zola. Bonus points if they did some version of the robot from the comics, feel like they wasted him.
I remember when TWS came out and I was legitimately SHOOK how this humble, nerdy dude, who I figured was the replacement for Phil Coulson, ended up being nothing but a dirty HYDRA creep all along. My adrenaline was HIGH during the first viewing of that movie when we found out that Hydra has made up most of SHIELD all along and that you couldn't trust anyone- even characters you've met before. Even in The Avengers, there's that whole scene where Cap finds a bunch of Hydra weapons hanging around on the helicarrier. Cap was right to doubt Fury's oversight of SHIELD looking back on it.
@@pyr1412I don’t know why he won’t bring Daisy back already. Secret Invasion was the perfect time to do it if he wanted to. Although considering how that show went I’m glad he didn’t.
At this point AoS is completely distinct from the main MCU, and explaining how we fit the absurd premise of the latter seasons in a pre-Engame MCU would ruin both. Most of all, daisy and stuff had a satisfying conclusion in season 5, and brining them back wouldn't add much to them, like in season 6 and 7. Honestly, AoS was too good for the MCU, so it's better forgotten by them
7:07 When we realized that Sitwell is Hydra and the fact that he recruited two criminals into thinking that they are working for SHIELD when he is actually Hydra. Probably the most evil thing Sitwell has done.
There's another moment from Agents that I didn't include here because it happens after Sitwell died and didn't fit the structure of the video. Coulson exposes Garrett as being the Clairvoyant, and has a SHIELD tactical team surround him to take him into custody, and Garrett says to them: "Gentlemen, I know Agent Sitwell was in charge of filling your ranks, so at least a few of you know what to do in this situation." At which point some of the tactical team immediately kill the rest of the team. So it does seem that recruitment may have been part of Sitwell's job for Hydra.
Hydra in shows and movies: we work together, lethal and efficient Hydra in every video game ever: I'll totally ruin another Hydra unit's mission so I look better for the boss that will eventually casually kill me during conversation to show how badass they are
I mean, to be fair, fascistic minded people tend to be pretty near-sighted when it comes to thinking ahead. Their long term reasoning isnt that great, and they tend to focus on short term gains over long term returns... especially when it comes to looking good in front of the big guy. It's really all a bunch of sniveling, miserable twats who prey on ignorance and good-faith to take advantage of those around them. HYDRA is the ultimate culmination of the worst people on earth. It's really no surprise that they are that bull-headed and idiotic.
Am I the only one who is amazed at how good Marvel is at casting actors to play younger versions of their characters? I'm thinking of doing a video on it.
i mean...itcould still happen.......they are alive so its not hopless.......unlike seeing pietro and peter interact...but now mabe wade and peter will interact in secret wars mabe
I have to say watching this back, when someone was like taking a bullet is more than Sidwell did and his clearance is a level 7, I got a lil suspicious. You don't get promoted without doing something crazy or kissing tuckus...
Are we all going to forget that at the time when young Sitwell was recruited, SHIELD was still refered by its long name since only after 2008 (Iron man) it was shortened by it's initials?
Its initials were used, they must have been, as the insignia of the shield already existed before iron man but it was apparently policy for many agents to still use the full name when dealing with those outside the agency, as the son of Coul often demonstrated.
They got this wrong in Captain Marvel as well: Fury shouts to bystanders that it's a SHIELD situation - even though the public isn't supposed to know anything about SHIELD ( he could have just said "Federal")
I remember back when, they created a whole timeline for Cap turning sides and an image of him saying Hail Hydra blew up the marvel side of the internet... everyone was freaking out, a war almost began due to it... then marvel does this... lmaoo - this was Marvel, what it's supposed to be.
So cap saying “hail hydra” to knowingly tryto work his way out of a difficult situation without violence to save the people from his universe whilst not actually being a hydra agent …. Is equivalent to cap throwing his friend off a jet to his death and saying “hail hydra” sincerely as he had his past rewritten which would factually make him a nazi when the creators of the characters were Jewish. Those are the same thing to you? You’re wondering why they got different reactions? It wasn’t like the line in the movie was poking fun at the comics with that stunt? You are so dense.
@@Brakdaytontbh Hydra being shield particularly in the way the much implemented wasn’t very good in the way that it essentially made the grey morality of shield and the government. As a lot of all the bad things done by shield went from they do bad things but they believe it’s for a good cause to they did it because they were secretly Nazis. Kinda like how the senator that was trying to get access to the iron man suit went from a comment on politicians to just being secret hidden Nazi no. 58.
@@joshm9782 Exactly. It always feels like a cop-out to me. I feel like it would make more sense if HYDRA is just an extremist semi-rogue faction that SHIELD is willing to somewhat tolerate in its rank because of their talent (until being called out), shows how morally vague SHIELD actually is
Strange and Thor also kept secrets from each other in Ragnarok that they both collected Infinity Stones and I would've liked to see them recall that, too
The algorithm doesn't predict who's gonna become a hero or get powers, it just predicts who would be willing to be loyal to Hydra. Stephen was pretty arrogant and egotistical before and so that's likely why he was on the list.
Yeah, he had an ego on him, but he wasn't so selfish as to do nothing during a fascist takeover. And he had a brain to match his ego, so magic or not, he would have opposed Hydra and could have posed a significant threat to them. One has to wonder what the high school valedictorian had up their sleeve though.
It's so weird that a high-level super spy leaks out the biggest secret when he's only been kicked down a roof, they didn't even start torturing. If hydra members are such fragile they could've been exposed way earlier.
@@mastercharacter that's the problem it was fun when it should have been suspenseful and exciting. There's just something so wrong about them fighting but not fighting in an empty void.
@@aurahoneydew9607 In my opinion, Whedon ruined it when he introduced humor into every moment, even when some moments should just have been too heavy, even for superheroes. Yet we got characters cracking wiseass jokes while hundreds of civilian casualties or other superhero casualties occur. That's consistently been one of my biggest problems with the Marvel universe.
Small thing I always wondered. Was the “Engine 1 is now in shutdown” voice Chris Evans? 😂 Also Coulson and Sitwell saying goodbye before he goes to the Lemurian Star has serious Anakin & Obi-Wan “goodbye old friend” vibes.
I just remember my favorite moment with Sitwell was him getting tossed into an oncoming semitruck doing 80 MPH. It was like there was this fly buzzing in my ear and suddenly, beautiful silence.
Great job on this video. I'd love to see more of these MCU continuity vids. Can I suggest one for the Darkhold? After Agents of Shield I know it showed up in The Runaways but I never watched that series.
There isn't a lot of continuity with the Darkhold. It showed up in Runaways looking just like it did in Agents of SHIELD, but with no sign of how it left Robbie's possession and ended up in Morgan's. Then it appears in WandaVision looking totally different, and then Multiverse of Madness tells us it's a copy. So who even knows how many copies there might be.
@@PenneySounds Actually, only one. It's all the same Darkhold and it travels when it feels endangered and can cloak itself so its not immediately recognizable in addition to influencing others. None of these shows and movies have come to close on how truly insidious and dangerous it really is.
@@danielhaire6677 There are a lot of possibilities. But unless it can travel in time, it can't have been in Agatha's possession for centuries while also passing through the hands of Johnny Blaze, SHIELD, Robbie Reyes, and Morgan le Fay.
@@PenneySounds Given that it is a nexus for the powers of the Dark Elder God of Chaos and Magic, Cthon; I wouldn't bet against it either. If I had to choose between the Darkhold and Sauron's One Ring, I would choose the Ring. Infinitely safer for my health
@@danielhaire6677 Basically its powers are so varied that the apparent contradiction can be explained away in a dozen different ways, be it multiple copies or time travel or shapeshifting or whatever. But it's hard to make a continuity video until they actually give an explanation, whatever it might be.
Comic Sitwell goes waaay back to the Nick Fury comics, actually. A loyal friend and brother-in-arms. He was "done dirty" by the MCU... and also eventually by the comics, too (killed by a brainwashed Black Widow and only occasionally brought back for a joke as a zombie)@@PenneySounds
4:22 Nick, my guy, why the hell did you not _immediately_ yank that arrow from whence it landed? You absolutely had time to remove it before it could actually plug in
I find it super weird that during recent years, Marvel has turned various TV shows into MCU canon … but Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is *not* one of them …that is just … bonkers considering it was actually produced by Marvel Television (though admittedly spearheaded by ABC Studios) … Of course, the series - like pretty much everything else - is considered ”multiversally canon” by Marvel, just not MCU ”sacred timeline canon” :-/
@@PenneySounds I truly wish that were the case since the show started with such great attempt to tie everything together with the movies and they really did their best to keep up with what was happening - with the huge uphill battle of simply reacting when you have no creative control over what happens "in the world". However, as long as Kevin Feige says that the show is not canon, it doesn't matter what you, me, or any other fan says, thinks or feels - it will not make the show canon.
I dunno how I missed that it was Sitwell that located Loki in Germany in 1st Avengers...seen that movie countless times, just freaking noticed that detail lol.
They made him so likeable, and then made him a traitor. Kind of masterful way to give the audience that same feeling of betrayal as the characters had.
I liked him before because he was always to straightfaced and unfazed throughout the craziest events. But as soon as he was exposed as Hydra he became this sort of sniveling coward character. Really made me not like him now that we'd seen the real him instead of his cover story.
@@PenneySounds I mean to be fair he got kicked off a building, and was at risk of being severely punished by Pierce had he found out he spilled their plans to Cap and his team (very likely killed, especially since he quite literally says "Pierce is gonna kill me"). Before all that I'd say he was relatively the same. I don’t see how he was a sniveling coward.
Basically as soon as he gets that call from Sam, the straightfaced agent disappears, and what's left is this kind of pitiful guy. And then when I looked back and saw how basically the entire MCU was trying to give this guy a hard time all along, I couldn't see anything else but the pitiful guy.
Ive always wondered why the MCU, rather thsn use full on movies to introduce new characters, didn't just make movies with storylines so that all the characters would have actual arcs like this
@@malhaomalhoa7486 yeah i know It's just that making it canon feels like it'd drag AoS down to the MCUs level. Which is dumb as it wouldn't actually change the show and it's not like theyd ever actually do anything with it even if they did say it was canon
Holy crap, I completely forgot Sitwell and Hawkeye were in Thor. I thought they debuted in The Avengers. The Thor movies before Ragnarok really just aren't interesting enough for me to remember or rewatch.
@PenneySounds OK, now I KNOW I missed some part(s) of that season, because I don't remember that. I also don't recognize him recruiting those two criminals...
Been re-watching Agents of SHIELD, and noticed that Chronicons gave Hydra the Incite list decades in the past, and they had the information from decades in the future, which means the Stephen Strange Easter Egg wasn’t just a name drop, it was one of many attempts to remove him prior to him becoming an Avenger.
I forgot how Marvel made a giant flying aircraft carrier, then made it somehow able to be completely sabotaged by an arrow that somehow hacks the entire system from a single, random, funky looking USB port.
What was so great about the character is that he was the one you least suspect would be in League such people. He came off as a bland yet capable and reliable bureaucrat, when is true allegiance a revealed its kind of shocking. This was back when the MCU was actually making an effort at good storytelling, what kind of cool is that when he appeared in winter soldier(my favorite installment, hands down) you don't know anything about unless you watch agents of shield, if there's perfect symmetry between the show despite no reference between them. When the Russo brothers were at the helm the MCU was it's peak. But kevin feige got jealous, threatened and overconfident, Ran them off along with all the other capable, and the rest history.
The MCU has produced a lot of great material lately. The only place they've failed is with this multiverse stuff where they keep bringing in Sony and Fox stuff, and doing things like introducing an alternate Mr. Fantastic before introducing the MCU version. They keep reducing their own characters down to merely being weird alternative versions, when they should have been the definitive versions. They've been putting cameos ahead of story. But I'd bet that's not what you were talking about. You were talking about the films and series they've done recently that were good but had women in them.
wow wow, that shot in Thor with Sitwell’s face reflected on the one way glass is a GREAT early hint that he’s two-faced and has a secret agenda never noticed that
Totally unrelated. Just really good casting. Marvel has a history of it. Look at the younger versions of Thor and Loki, and of Killmonger, and Gamora. The resemblances are so good that you know at a glance what character you're looking at. Though in season 7, they showed a younger version of the character of John Garrett, whose actor had passed, and they did cast his actual son to play the younger version.
The girl he was talking to became a general in the military. Another person in their class was none other than Baron von Strücker. I have a video on him.
It would have been so awesome when Cap said in Winter Soldier “Before we get started, does anyone want to get out?” Claire from the one-shot, says “I would like to get out” and appears behind him. 😂
I've wanted to know that too. Looks like some kind of straight razor or cleaver-style folder, but all my attempts to find out the exact model have been just like the knife. Pointless.
I know a lot of people want AoS as cannon in the MCU, especially since that was how they seemed to sell is at first... but I'd happily let it go for a proper Victoria Hand as a replacement for Nick Fury. Especially after Secret Invasion. Still, good vid.
The first clip is from season 5 of Agents of SHIELD, the episode "Rise and Shine". The rest is from Thor, the Consultant, The Avengers, Avengers: Endgame, Item 47, several clips from across season 1 of Agents of SHIELD, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
Thing is Dr Strange hadnt yet gone to kamar taj during winter soldier so there would be no reason he would be a threat to shield or hydra. Why were they keeping tabs on a surgeon?
@@alimfuzzy Because he's extremely intelligent and had a sense of right and wrong. Why were they keeping tabs on a high school valedictorian in Iowa city?
Either that, or Zola's algorithm just tracks people with alliterative names Bruce Banner Stephen Strange Peter Parker Bucky Barnes Matt Murdock Jessica Jones Kamala Khan Pepper Potts Wade Wilson Blackagar Boltigon Rocket Raccoon Sue Storm Reed Richards Scott Summers Warren Worthington Miles Morales Ava Ayala Richard Rider Silvija Sablinova
@@PenneySoundsand also pre-magic Strange, despite his immense talent in surgery, is not the type of person willingly cooperate with "the authority". Hydra was afraid he might join the "resistance" out of pure spite
@@quakethedoombringer There were lots of reasons for them to see him as a threat, even if we assume Zola's algorithm wasn't predictive enough to tell he would eventually become a sorcerer. And I'm not sure it wasn't that predictive.
Cant believe ive actually seen agent sidwell so many times before winter soldier and not even know it
The perfect agent
I forgot he was in Thor 1 (and I'm guessing Hulk too?)
@@dr.boring7022Nope, nobody from SHIELD was in Hulk
@@PenneySoundsWhile not in the movie itself, the comic about that week (I forget the name) had Natasha undercover at the university at the time of the attack...
@dr.boring7022 he was in a bit of agents of shield the tv show
Make sure you call hydra agents Nazis. That’ll really piss them off
@@jaxonjaxoff3291 It was very funny when Skye said that to Ward and he got offended.
I can imagine Sitwell standing in the elevator for ten minutes, wondering "when, exactly, did Hydra convert Captain America?".
Lucky for him his timeline got pruned before Pierce could find out Sitwell got tricked.
@@PenneySoundsthat would ve been such a mindfuck for everyone involved, the more i imagine what could happen after the funnier it is
Another thing that's funny to imagine is how Thor and Tony's encounter with Pierce in the lobby would have gone without future Tony and Scott to interfere with it. Sure looked like Pierce was going to take the Tesseract, but we know he didn't.
Imagine what will happen when he says "Hail Hydra" to HIS timeline's Captain America.
@@patrickginther8527 He was probably confused during Winter Soldier.
Man going from Agents of Shield while it was airing and then watching Winter Soldier the week after and seeing Sitwell die like that i was shocked
I walked out of the movie genuinely convinced that the Zola program was the Clairvoyant.
@@Starsaber222 I wish it was, would have been a great use of Zola. Bonus points if they did some version of the robot from the comics, feel like they wasted him.
@@Starsaber222 Same. During the movie I whispered to myself "Insight... clairvoyant!"
Early MCU films used to feel so grounded
I love how Natasha had an arrow pendant on her necklace in the scene where they interrogate Sitwell. Lovely little Hawkeye reference
Pre Multiverse Era, I feel you bro
"Early MCU films used to feel so grounded"
*The second MCU film being a giant green monster brawling with a ugly messed up fish*
Yes, really grounded
@@CooltoddWow because that single example makes his statement any less true…
@@blackman9291The MCU has never been grounded. The stories was written well and easier to follow.
I remember when TWS came out and I was legitimately SHOOK how this humble, nerdy dude, who I figured was the replacement for Phil Coulson, ended up being nothing but a dirty HYDRA creep all along. My adrenaline was HIGH during the first viewing of that movie when we found out that Hydra has made up most of SHIELD all along and that you couldn't trust anyone- even characters you've met before.
Even in The Avengers, there's that whole scene where Cap finds a bunch of Hydra weapons hanging around on the helicarrier. Cap was right to doubt Fury's oversight of SHIELD looking back on it.
The for shadowing is real
And the senator from iron man 2 as well
Agents of Shield writers followed the spirit of Marvel Studios 's content
Until Fiege fucked it up. I’m hoping we see daisy and the others again in some capacity.
@@pyr1412I don’t know why he won’t bring Daisy back already. Secret Invasion was the perfect time to do it if he wanted to. Although considering how that show went I’m glad he didn’t.
At this point AoS is completely distinct from the main MCU, and explaining how we fit the absurd premise of the latter seasons in a pre-Engame MCU would ruin both. Most of all, daisy and stuff had a satisfying conclusion in season 5, and brining them back wouldn't add much to them, like in season 6 and 7. Honestly, AoS was too good for the MCU, so it's better forgotten by them
We'll see them back eventually. Please stop trash talking the MCU.
@@TabalugaDragon You were warned
"You have dangerous coworkers, Dr. Selvig."
Shot widens to show the Hydra operative Coulson is working with.
holy crap.
A few seconds earlier, we see Sitwell's reflection. He's two-faced.
*screams*
holy shit.
Almost certainly unintentional, but excellent foreshadowing nonetheless.
That hulk time travel bit with the tape rewinding is the funniest thing Ive seen all day, admittedly it is only 1 in the morning
I wish I could have put a fake end screen with recommendations at that point of the video
That shit caught me so off guard 😂😂
I saw this comment early on. And it still got me. Chuckled out loud
Soooo funny.
Agents of SHIELD clung to MCU continuity even harder than the movies bothered to, especially by the end of Phase 3.
Knowing what we know about the whedon maybe its for the best.
@@CybersteelEx Joss or Jed?
7:07 When we realized that Sitwell is Hydra and the fact that he recruited two criminals into thinking that they are working for SHIELD when he is actually Hydra. Probably the most evil thing Sitwell has done.
There's another moment from Agents that I didn't include here because it happens after Sitwell died and didn't fit the structure of the video. Coulson exposes Garrett as being the Clairvoyant, and has a SHIELD tactical team surround him to take him into custody, and Garrett says to them:
"Gentlemen, I know Agent Sitwell was in charge of filling your ranks, so at least a few of you know what to do in this situation."
At which point some of the tactical team immediately kill the rest of the team.
So it does seem that recruitment may have been part of Sitwell's job for Hydra.
where's that from? I don't remember that scene from anywhere
@@玲亜-u2vAgents of Shield Season 1
@@玲亜-u2v 1x17 rather far to the end
What show was that from I haven’t seen any bit of it
It’s amazing how they kept this one minor character around for so long
Hydra in shows and movies: we work together, lethal and efficient
Hydra in every video game ever: I'll totally ruin another Hydra unit's mission so I look better for the boss that will eventually casually kill me during conversation to show how badass they are
I mean, to be fair, fascistic minded people tend to be pretty near-sighted when it comes to thinking ahead. Their long term reasoning isnt that great, and they tend to focus on short term gains over long term returns... especially when it comes to looking good in front of the big guy.
It's really all a bunch of sniveling, miserable twats who prey on ignorance and good-faith to take advantage of those around them. HYDRA is the ultimate culmination of the worst people on earth. It's really no surprise that they are that bull-headed and idiotic.
Simmons’ “No….don’t.” gets me every time 🤣🤣🤣 Her delivery is perfect 7:52
To think, a year later she was infiltrating Hydra.
@@PenneySoundsthat’s crazy, actually…so much changed so fast.
Am I the only one who is amazed at how good Marvel is at casting actors to play younger versions of their characters? I'm thinking of doing a video on it.
I had never seen the first clip. I was highly impressed by the casting immediately
@@GR-nz3om You wouldn't even need her to say Sitwell to know who that was.
@@PenneySounds agreed 💯
@@PenneySounds while ur active, please do a video on that
@@GR-nz3omIt's from Agents of SHIELD Season 5 incase you're wondering (you probably have already figured it out by yourself by now ig)
Sucks we didn't get a scene where Clint and Thor recall how Clint almost killed Thor with a single arrow when Thor was still powerless.
Though we did see it happen in What If
When they all try to lift Mjornir, Clint is the first one to try and quietly remarks to Thor “you know I’ve seen this before”. Thor nods.
Second best shot he didn't take.
i mean...itcould still happen.......they are alive so its not hopless.......unlike seeing pietro and peter interact...but now mabe wade and peter will interact in secret wars mabe
I was angry when Sitwell turned out to be HYDRA. He didn’t just betray SHIELD. He betrayed his friends, including Coulson.
Which is really why he was the perfect choice to be the traitor in the movie. He was so likable and trusted and non-threatening.
I have to say watching this back, when someone was like taking a bullet is more than Sidwell did and his clearance is a level 7, I got a lil suspicious. You don't get promoted without doing something crazy or kissing tuckus...
Are we all going to forget that at the time when young Sitwell was recruited, SHIELD was still refered by its long name since only after 2008 (Iron man) it was shortened by it's initials?
It was only Coulson using the long name at that point.
Its initials were used, they must have been, as the insignia of the shield already existed before iron man but it was apparently policy for many agents to still use the full name when dealing with those outside the agency, as the son of Coul often demonstrated.
@@SG-1-GRC They even had him use the full name during the flashback to the Bahrain incident, which was in 2008 just prior to Iron Man.
@@SG-1-GRC you mean son of Cool ?
They got this wrong in Captain Marvel as well: Fury shouts to bystanders that it's a SHIELD situation - even though the public isn't supposed to know anything about SHIELD ( he could have just said "Federal")
I remember back when, they created a whole timeline for Cap turning sides and an image of him saying Hail Hydra blew up the marvel side of the internet...
everyone was freaking out, a war almost began due to it...
then marvel does this... lmaoo - this was Marvel, what it's supposed to be.
There was an idea...
So cap saying “hail hydra” to knowingly tryto work his way out of a difficult situation without violence to save the people from his universe whilst not actually being a hydra agent ….
Is equivalent to cap throwing his friend off a jet to his death and saying “hail hydra” sincerely as he had his past rewritten which would factually make him a nazi when the creators of the characters were Jewish.
Those are the same thing to you?
You’re wondering why they got different reactions?
It wasn’t like the line in the movie was poking fun at the comics with that stunt?
You are so dense.
@@Ben_chesmoor You must be an absolute blast at parties.
@@megatronsroyalemissary382 your mum thinks so
It was actually in the mainline universe in the comics and it made everyone mad. Now they call Hydra cap stevil
I was always disappointed that Sitwell was HYDRA. He initially seemed to be an agent cut from a cloth similar to Coulson's.
I prefer the 60s comics version: bow tie, buzz cut, overzealous but always loyal to SHIELD.
@@Brakdaytontbh Hydra being shield particularly in the way the much implemented wasn’t very good in the way that it essentially made the grey morality of shield and the government. As a lot of all the bad things done by shield went from they do bad things but they believe it’s for a good cause to they did it because they were secretly Nazis. Kinda like how the senator that was trying to get access to the iron man suit went from a comment on politicians to just being secret hidden Nazi no. 58.
@@joshm9782 Exactly. It always feels like a cop-out to me. I feel like it would make more sense if HYDRA is just an extremist semi-rogue faction that SHIELD is willing to somewhat tolerate in its rank because of their talent (until being called out), shows how morally vague SHIELD actually is
I was always too slick
Apparently Zola even knew Strange was going to become a sorcerer.
Edit: wait, the Avengers never brought that up, either!
He was already a famous surgeon. That might have been enough to make him a threat.
Strange and Thor also kept secrets from each other in Ragnarok that they both collected Infinity Stones and I would've liked to see them recall that, too
The algorithm doesn't predict who's gonna become a hero or get powers, it just predicts who would be willing to be loyal to Hydra. Stephen was pretty arrogant and egotistical before and so that's likely why he was on the list.
Yeah, he had an ego on him, but he wasn't so selfish as to do nothing during a fascist takeover. And he had a brain to match his ego, so magic or not, he would have opposed Hydra and could have posed a significant threat to them.
One has to wonder what the high school valedictorian had up their sleeve though.
never looked into the valedectorian in Iowa either
It's so weird that a high-level super spy leaks out the biggest secret when he's only been kicked down a roof, they didn't even start torturing. If hydra members are such fragile they could've been exposed way earlier.
It may be that "ability to kill your own dog" may not be the best hiring criterion for an evil secret society.
Falling is a serious old school terror for many people. Also, Sitwell remembered that Romanoff is far more willing to cross lines than Steve.
Sitwell is not about integrity. He's self seeking, not an idealist. Therefore he leaks like a colander.
@@SG-1-GRCSo... a patsy, then.
Uhhhhh @SG-1-GRC Captain America 🇺🇸 isn't going to be able to stop a Widow and he doesn't want to deal with her
There's just something about these old movies till that of Endgame. It's just captivating
Oh no they lost the spark before endgame.
As fun as civil war was, that was already a sparkless movie
@@mastercharacter that's the problem it was fun when it should have been suspenseful and exciting. There's just something so wrong about them fighting but not fighting in an empty void.
@@aurahoneydew9607 In my opinion, Whedon ruined it when he introduced humor into every moment, even when some moments should just have been too heavy, even for superheroes. Yet we got characters cracking wiseass jokes while hundreds of civilian casualties or other superhero casualties occur. That's consistently been one of my biggest problems with the Marvel universe.
You don't think there were wisecracks in Iron Man?
The Agent of Shield Series really Amazing
That Hulk with time travel threw me so off. I needed that deep belly laugh
I wasn't sure if it was going to be funny when I edited it
It was the cut to black then relevant meme cut for me, a good laugh
Small thing I always wondered. Was the “Engine 1 is now in shutdown” voice Chris Evans? 😂
Also Coulson and Sitwell saying goodbye before he goes to the Lemurian Star has serious Anakin & Obi-Wan “goodbye old friend” vibes.
I don't think so? Not sure.
@@PenneySoundssounds like him though don’t you think?! (If it didn’t before, it will now 😂)
@@OptimysticPessimyst Could go either way.
Where is the footage from Sitwell being a kid from? I don’t think I’ve ever seen it. Is it AOS?
Season 5 episode 15 "Rise and Shine"
Thanks!!!!
Rewatching this lately, and reminded how they used to do this so well
I just remember my favorite moment with Sitwell was him getting tossed into an oncoming semitruck doing 80 MPH. It was like there was this fly buzzing in my ear and suddenly, beautiful silence.
I really hope Marvel can show us what happened after Cap left the elevator. They must've been going nuts about Cap knowing they're Hydra lol.
Who cares. That branch was pruned like an hour later by TVA.
If Romanoff is after you, you break. Poor Sitwell.
She tricked the trickster god
Great job on this video. I'd love to see more of these MCU continuity vids.
Can I suggest one for the Darkhold? After Agents of Shield I know it showed up in The Runaways but I never watched that series.
There isn't a lot of continuity with the Darkhold. It showed up in Runaways looking just like it did in Agents of SHIELD, but with no sign of how it left Robbie's possession and ended up in Morgan's. Then it appears in WandaVision looking totally different, and then Multiverse of Madness tells us it's a copy. So who even knows how many copies there might be.
@@PenneySounds Actually, only one. It's all the same Darkhold and it travels when it feels endangered and can cloak itself so its not immediately recognizable in addition to influencing others. None of these shows and movies have come to close on how truly insidious and dangerous it really is.
@@danielhaire6677 There are a lot of possibilities. But unless it can travel in time, it can't have been in Agatha's possession for centuries while also passing through the hands of Johnny Blaze, SHIELD, Robbie Reyes, and Morgan le Fay.
@@PenneySounds Given that it is a nexus for the powers of the Dark Elder God of Chaos and Magic, Cthon; I wouldn't bet against it either.
If I had to choose between the Darkhold and Sauron's One Ring, I would choose the Ring. Infinitely safer for my health
@@danielhaire6677 Basically its powers are so varied that the apparent contradiction can be explained away in a dozen different ways, be it multiple copies or time travel or shapeshifting or whatever.
But it's hard to make a continuity video until they actually give an explanation, whatever it might be.
Simmons: "Was that alright?" 😂
Jasper Sitwell in the MCU is nothing like the Jasper Sitwell in the comics... especially when he was the SHIELD liaison to Stark Industries.
Sounds like comic Sitwell is more like Coulson or Hill in the MCU
Comic Sitwell goes waaay back to the Nick Fury comics, actually. A loyal friend and brother-in-arms. He was "done dirty" by the MCU... and also eventually by the comics, too (killed by a brainwashed Black Widow and only occasionally brought back for a joke as a zombie)@@PenneySounds
4:22 Nick, my guy, why the hell did you not _immediately_ yank that arrow from whence it landed? You absolutely had time to remove it before it could actually plug in
Pretty sure his initial reaction was 'Good, he missed' not 'OMG a trick arrow, I better grab it'
Yeah before noticing after he could've died that it was a trick arrow, you illogical dunce?
I find it super weird that during recent years, Marvel has turned various TV shows into MCU canon … but Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is *not* one of them …that is just … bonkers considering it was actually produced by Marvel Television (though admittedly spearheaded by ABC Studios) … Of course, the series - like pretty much everything else - is considered ”multiversally canon” by Marvel, just not MCU ”sacred timeline canon” :-/
It's considered canon and always has been. It's not a multiverse story.
@@PenneySounds I truly wish that were the case since the show started with such great attempt to tie everything together with the movies and they really did their best to keep up with what was happening - with the huge uphill battle of simply reacting when you have no creative control over what happens "in the world". However, as long as Kevin Feige says that the show is not canon, it doesn't matter what you, me, or any other fan says, thinks or feels - it will not make the show canon.
@@uttula But Kevin Feige doesn't say it's not canon. He's never said that. He's repeatedly said it is.
@@PenneySoundshard to implement it since they had inhumans stuff but mcu don't
They also didn't have civil war, snap, blip, and their time travel works different. More like X-men movies actually, where past can change future.
I dunno how I missed that it was Sitwell that located Loki in Germany in 1st Avengers...seen that movie countless times, just freaking noticed that detail lol.
I'm still sad that they just killed him off like that. I liked him ;-;
They made him so likeable, and then made him a traitor. Kind of masterful way to give the audience that same feeling of betrayal as the characters had.
@@PenneySounds I liked him both before and after he was revealed to be Hydra
I liked him before because he was always to straightfaced and unfazed throughout the craziest events. But as soon as he was exposed as Hydra he became this sort of sniveling coward character. Really made me not like him now that we'd seen the real him instead of his cover story.
@@PenneySounds I mean to be fair he got kicked off a building, and was at risk of being severely punished by Pierce had he found out he spilled their plans to Cap and his team (very likely killed, especially since he quite literally says "Pierce is gonna kill me"). Before all that I'd say he was relatively the same. I don’t see how he was a sniveling coward.
Basically as soon as he gets that call from Sam, the straightfaced agent disappears, and what's left is this kind of pitiful guy.
And then when I looked back and saw how basically the entire MCU was trying to give this guy a hard time all along, I couldn't see anything else but the pitiful guy.
Ok, 17:19 got me 😂
Ive always wondered why the MCU, rather thsn use full on movies to introduce new characters, didn't just make movies with storylines so that all the characters would have actual arcs like this
Because each movie needs it's own characters to have arcs in and of themselves
And people say that Agents of Shield isn't Cannon to the MCU...
Yeah, it was always cannon up until the last season. I remember when General Talbot was told about Thanos and he wanted to help lol
Big fan of AOS. But I want it to be non canon, because it's so much better than the MCU has been
Well, thanks to Loki and the TVA, even wayward branches of the multiverse like what AoS turned into can still be somewhat considered canon.....
@@hermanmunster4607 That's kind of a stupid reason ngl
@@malhaomalhoa7486 yeah i know
It's just that making it canon feels like it'd drag AoS down to the MCUs level.
Which is dumb as it wouldn't actually change the show and it's not like theyd ever actually do anything with it even if they did say it was canon
This was well put together. Truly overlooked many of these and I'm a big MCU fan. Bravo 👏
God the smile cap has at the very end is just perfect
Hydra school??? when did that happen
Flashbacks in Agents of SHIELD season 5. I included a bit more in my video on Strücker.
Agents of Shield. You're missing out if you haven't watched it
Holy crap, I completely forgot Sitwell and Hawkeye were in Thor. I thought they debuted in The Avengers. The Thor movies before Ragnarok really just aren't interesting enough for me to remember or rewatch.
Maybe if you watch them again you might feel different
Interesting that none of the HYDRA elevator people noticed Cap had switched suits…
He didn't. Not the same elevator.
@@PenneySounds Oh, right. The scepter was after New York, but years before Winter Soldier. My bad.
@@Zephirite. Sitwell was lucky that the elevator he was in wasn't the one where the fight broke out.
@@PenneySounds Yup! Gotta save him for Buckey…
Rip Bill Paxton
Where are the first two clips from? I have never seen them. It’s like some sort of hydra academy
Agents of Shield season 5 features flashbacks to a Hydra academy.
@PenneySounds OK, now I KNOW I missed some part(s) of that season, because I don't remember that. I also don't recognize him recruiting those two criminals...
@@Bdubs8807 The criminals were from the Item 47 one-shot
16:00 I didn't realise they teased Doctor Strange before he even came to the MCU damn
He was teased before the MCU even existed.
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@@PenneySounds Shit I forgot about that as well
Been re-watching Agents of SHIELD, and noticed that Chronicons gave Hydra the Incite list decades in the past, and they had the information from decades in the future, which means the Stephen Strange Easter Egg wasn’t just a name drop, it was one of many attempts to remove him prior to him becoming an Avenger.
@@jeffersonian000 That was a different past though
1:43 Showing him as two-faced
Something about this guy just doesn’t… Sitwell (⌐■_■)
I forgot how Marvel made a giant flying aircraft carrier, then made it somehow able to be completely sabotaged by an arrow that somehow hacks the entire system from a single, random, funky looking USB port.
Bill Paxton was a great addition to the MCU.
His son James played a younger version of the same character in the final season.
Great job, the Russo Brothers did a man's work on this series.
What was so great about the character is that he was the one you least suspect would be in League such people. He came off as a bland yet capable and reliable bureaucrat, when is true allegiance a revealed its kind of shocking. This was back when the MCU was actually making an effort at good storytelling, what kind of cool is that when he appeared in winter soldier(my favorite installment, hands down) you don't know anything about unless you watch agents of shield, if there's perfect symmetry between the show despite no reference between them. When the Russo brothers were at the helm the MCU was it's peak. But kevin feige got jealous, threatened and overconfident, Ran them off along with all the other capable, and the rest history.
The MCU has produced a lot of great material lately. The only place they've failed is with this multiverse stuff where they keep bringing in Sony and Fox stuff, and doing things like introducing an alternate Mr. Fantastic before introducing the MCU version. They keep reducing their own characters down to merely being weird alternative versions, when they should have been the definitive versions. They've been putting cameos ahead of story.
But I'd bet that's not what you were talking about. You were talking about the films and series they've done recently that were good but had women in them.
Did you know that in the comics Jasper Sitwell died and he became a zombie all of a sudden
wow wow, that shot in Thor with Sitwell’s face reflected on the one way glass is a GREAT early hint that he’s two-faced and has a secret agenda
never noticed that
Was that young actor his son or something? He really does look like a young version of him.
Totally unrelated. Just really good casting. Marvel has a history of it. Look at the younger versions of Thor and Loki, and of Killmonger, and Gamora. The resemblances are so good that you know at a glance what character you're looking at.
Though in season 7, they showed a younger version of the character of John Garrett, whose actor had passed, and they did cast his actual son to play the younger version.
In the case of young Sitwell, the glasses are doing a lot of the work too.
this is the kind of edits it needs to understand the MCU
So agent Sitwell has been embedded within SHIELD since he was younger THATS WILD!!! Lol
The girl he was talking to became a general in the military. Another person in their class was none other than Baron von Strücker. I have a video on him.
Sitwell didn’t sit well with me
I REALLY wish Agents of SHIELD was part of the canon.
...It is
2:37 fuck I feel this so bad. I never get told jack shit about anything until the very last moment. It’s frustrating. 😂😅
Great edit 👍🏾
I don’t care about mcu continuity now I want them to have standalone movies
Still wish How Jasper inform Hydra during working as Hydra spy in sheild
wait so they knew about Dr. Strange before Captain America: The Winter Soldier? 16:06
He was a very famous surgeon.
TIME TRAVEL!!!!!
killed me xD
MCU continuity so bad now that even character like Jasper Sitwell got better continuity
@@ErnolDawnbringer Name something bad about MCU continuity right now.
10:07 is everyone tiny or is the F18 really that big?
You mean the fighter jet in the background? Looks normal to me.
It would have been so awesome when Cap said in Winter Soldier “Before we get started, does anyone want to get out?” Claire from the one-shot, says “I would like to get out” and appears behind him. 😂
He just needs to come back as a zombie
Nice that someone recognize Sitwell
agents of shield was just great
Where did the first clip come from? I don't recall ever seeing that before.
Agents of SHIELD season 5, "Rise and Shine"
@7:01 ok please, what knife is that?
I've wanted to know that too. Looks like some kind of straight razor or cleaver-style folder, but all my attempts to find out the exact model have been just like the knife. Pointless.
The shame scenes must delete up
He sit well in my chair
11:27 this aged poorly
What was the first clip from?
Agents of SHIELD season 5 "Rise and Shine"
they should've dyed young jasper's hair blonde
Why blonde?
@@PenneySoundsHis hair colour in the comics.
@@jackvenus4024 Isn't he a white guy in the comics?
I was always thought Sitwell was interesting character and he stuck to me
It's unfortunate that Lizzy Caplan was only in a One Shot, and not given the chance to be a major character in the MCU.
I know a lot of people want AoS as cannon in the MCU, especially since that was how they seemed to sell is at first... but I'd happily let it go for a proper Victoria Hand as a replacement for Nick Fury. Especially after Secret Invasion.
Still, good vid.
Fuck it. I’m rewatching all of Phase 1
18:20 Rumlow be thinking "what the fuck how deep are we"
"And you will be stuck in middle management" She Got Him.
Wait where was the first clip from
@@mantistsai6457 Agents of SHIELD season 5 episode 15 "Rise and Shine"
What’s the first clip from?
Agents of SHIELD season 5 "Rise and Shine"
When Marvel Editorial mandates are on point: Kennedy.
What shows/episodes are these from?
The first clip is from season 5 of Agents of SHIELD, the episode "Rise and Shine". The rest is from Thor, the Consultant, The Avengers, Avengers: Endgame, Item 47, several clips from across season 1 of Agents of SHIELD, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
Thing is Dr Strange hadnt yet gone to kamar taj during winter soldier so there would be no reason he would be a threat to shield or hydra. Why were they keeping tabs on a surgeon?
@@alimfuzzy Because he's extremely intelligent and had a sense of right and wrong.
Why were they keeping tabs on a high school valedictorian in Iowa city?
Either that, or Zola's algorithm just tracks people with alliterative names
Bruce Banner
Stephen Strange
Peter Parker
Bucky Barnes
Matt Murdock
Jessica Jones
Kamala Khan
Pepper Potts
Wade Wilson
Blackagar Boltigon
Rocket Raccoon
Sue Storm
Reed Richards
Scott Summers
Warren Worthington
Miles Morales
Ava Ayala
Richard Rider
Silvija Sablinova
@@PenneySoundsand also pre-magic Strange, despite his immense talent in surgery, is not the type of person willingly cooperate with "the authority". Hydra was afraid he might join the "resistance" out of pure spite
@@quakethedoombringer There were lots of reasons for them to see him as a threat, even if we assume Zola's algorithm wasn't predictive enough to tell he would eventually become a sorcerer. And I'm not sure it wasn't that predictive.
When the MCU was legit...Everything after ENdgame...oh dear!!
There's plenty of post-Endgame material in my videos.
They used to care too much about continuity and it was awesome🔥
So why the hell has Feige now said this show isn't officially MCU canon?? Clearly it is. How can it not be??
He hasn't.
"Can't go back, Bob"
Agents of Shield was the last best TV seres
Now his death feels so wildly anticlimactic
I hate the way they just completely get rid of him, he was an interesting character.
He was pretending to be a good guy