The big problem is EPA regulations, they keep sensible vehicles out of the market. It is absolutely insane. Personally I would love to see something similar to the first generation Tacoma, a small pickup with a 4-banger and a manual transmission. Nice and simple.
They need to add a small pickup to their lineup. It would make huge numbers in major cities. At the end of the day, I’d love a pickup for its utility, but in Los Angeles there is literally not enough room for most of these huge new pickups. Parking alone is a massive reason why I haven’t gotten one. But if a small pickup was an option, I’d buy one immediately.
@JoeyShip there is literally more utility in a CR-V than there is in a Maverick. If you want something for the 1 day out of every 5 years you need to haul a fridge, get a small trailer.
After just finishing a river cruise covering, Germany, France, Netherlands and Switzerland. Our country has to really do a lot of re-thinking. I didn't see any "large" SUV's or trucks. There were tons of smaller very economical vehicles and everyone seemed to get around just fine. I am guilty as I want the luxury of a larger vehicle because that is what I grew up with. However, in my younger days I had a small SR5 pickup and it was a blast and got great mileage, very dependable too. However, as I wanted to tow larger items and haul larger items I eventually gave into a full size pickup. The part I keep struggling with is that at one point I had a Ford short bed with an inline 300 cu in 6 cyl, got anywhere from 17-22+ mpg. put 130,000+ trouble free miles on it. Flash forward to today and we don't get a heck of a lot better mpg's. Granted cleaner boring and more power & torque but at a tremendous increase in price and reliability. It doesn't matter what we want, it boils down to the dollar and profit and meeting safety and emissions standards to the dealers and manufacturers. It is beyond me how I survived all those years without ABS brakes, air bags, lane assist, a review camera, power windows, sunroofs, power adjustable mirrors, adaptive cruise control, GPS, etc, etc, etc.............. somehow millions of us did. :) PS: If you got this far reading this, you are doing a great job! Seriously, really enjoy your channel. Even my wife watches occasionally.
@ronpearce7198 You articulated my thoughts exactly… returning from Europe, I am currently looking for a used less than 15k pickup and I can’t find nothing baseline and affordable. Every vehicle is filled with options driving the prices to the sky. I concur, back in Europe more practical, affordable, economical véhicules are available although those guys drive less than us… ??
Most of us europeans drive either a small hatchback or a small crossover. We go everywhere with them. And in the rare case of our trunk area getting overfilled we just add a roofbox.
It’s hard to compare America with Europe. For one you get off the main roads you drive mid evil roads meant for horse drawn traffic . In Germany you are actually taxed on the displacement size of your engine. Americans cry about gas prices. They don’t know what expensive gas is. Practicality is a whole different thing there. No one wants to sell anything cheap on cost only on quality.
Europe has more reasonable emission laws than the U.S. Vehicles keep getting larger in America because emission laws are more lenient, the larger the vehicle is.
OMG, at 0:31, that small silver Toyota pick-up was the exact truck I owned. I remember paying $8600 for it brand new from Toyota of Orange in California. It was the base, stripped out model, no hubcaps, no door mats, and not even a rear bumper. All it had was an AM/FM radio. I had to pay extra for the air conditioning, which was a lifesaver in the summer. The seats were vinyl and when I saved enough money I bought Toyota's velour bench covers and they were amazing. I bought floor mats and I paid $300 to buy a rear bumper. My last big purchase was I paid $600 for an aftermarket stereo. It was awesome driving down an empty fwy at 2am, windows rolled down, blasting Mozart's Requiem. Unfortunately, I sold the car two years later when I moved to NYC. I think I got $6,000 for it. What I loved about the pick-up is that it was really cheap, even for its time. To put things in perspective, Honda CRX's were selling for around $14,000. Civics were selling for not much less. I never had a care in the world driving that little pick-up. Oil and service charges twice a year was something like $60. Why can't we bring back simplicity again? Get rid of all this computer crap! If you must have an infotainment screen, use a magnetic smart phone mount. Make cars analog again. Kirk, you are Superman! Just Do It! How do you improve a spoon?
“You won’t get a lemon at Toyota of Orange!” Unfortunately the EPA and crash rules make a true small pickup impossible to build. The Maverick (which I’m lucky enough to have) is really not that small. If I park it next to a 80’s or 90’s Toyota pickup it looks huge. I agree with Kirk that a hybrid Toyota pickup would sell like crazy. Ford clearly can’t produce enough hybrid Mavericks. Someone else needs to get into that space- the demand is there.
@@1250ships Hah hah! You remember the commercial! 😆 It was everywhere. Do you remember, "Go See Cal Worthington and his dog, Spot!" Anyway, inclusive of crash rules, I can't see why auto manufacturers, in 2023, with modern materials can't easily make a small two door pick-up. It's not rocket science. The reason manufacturers don't build small, simple, affordable cars is that there's not enough profit. They'd rather build luxury cars and throw in gizmos and charge 4 times the price. I don't buy that profits are razor thin on automobiles. The CEOs, executives, and shareholders make millions. This is like the media pushing the narrative that Disney is "losing" money. That's funny, Bob Iger, just one guy at Disney, made $195,092,460 over 5 years. Disney is losing money alright, to Bob Iger. I believe that Kirk can move mountains.... and leap over tall buildings in a single bound.
Kirk, Moving Tacoma production to Mexico was the saddest day Toyota pickup fans will ever have to endure. 🤨 The loss of the 'right-sized' Toyota T100 was the second worst. In the case of Hino's T100, the Chicken Tax just made it finger lickin' good. 😉
@@igglybiggly6951 Poorly made may be bogus but poorly paid is the ugly truth. It is the loss of high quality manufacturing jobs that concerns me. The made-in-California 2010 Tacoma we have in the family was built by middle-class, tax-paying American production workers who could actually afford to buy what they were building. Toyota and every other automaker disgrace themselves with their poverty pay in Mexico.
@@rightlanehog3151 Not just poverty pay, but loss of good jobs in America. What's the end game when eventually they move so much jobs overseas and Mexico that no one can afford (cause they have no jobs) whatever shit they're making to import back into the country.
Tiny Toyota pickup single cab. Instantly would buy it. 6 speed, good sized work bed. Charge 26k for basic version and $32k for loaded. Naturally aspirated engine with dual port and DI injection, 2.0 liter or 2.5 tuned for efficiency and torque
I continue to drive the 1997 Tacoma that I bought new. It's now my second vehicle, but it comes in handy a couple times a month. About once a month, someone knocks on my front door or leaves me a note with an offer to buy my truck, and that tells me demand for a small truck exists. The new Tacoma is huge, and the Ford Maverick is interesting but even it's a bit too big. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a new Toyota small truck if it were truly small.
Ever since Ford introduced a unibody pick-up truck, the Maverick, into the market... they've essentially had it to themselves..." Ridgeline - *cough* "say what?"
I looked at a Maverick and a Tacoma. I am 6'4" and I absolutely can not fit in either. Forced to buy a full size truck if I want a truck, which I do. So I did. Tundra 2024.
Im glad that USA gets the Tacoma, on the catch side the HiLux gets the better engine though. There was a video that explains about why the growth in size and it has to do with wheelbase and meeting EPA standards, it was quite an eye opener for the reasoning for the Tacoma 1st-3rd gen growth.
This is the opposite of what the Toyota salesman I spoke to told me. He says that, not only is the Stout coming, but that the dealers have already been shown it. Take that for what you will ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I owned an 78, 83, 84 and 89 Toyota Hilux. My 84 and was an Extra cab, 6’ bed. The rest were Regular cabs with the 6’ bed. Our current pickup is a 11 Ranger super cab with a 6’ bed. We use our pickup mainly for work around our property, but if we can get a Stout Extra cab AWD Hybrid, we’ll sell both our Ranger and my wife’s Outback. She can have my Forester Touring, (currently with only 13K miles). Our 11 Ranger has only 36K miles.
If Toyota doesn’t release a small pickup, maybe Nissan will. They are supposed to show something at the NAAS bringing back the old Hardbody Nissan trucks. We shall see what they reveal this week to the public.
@devildog5354 Nissan did not show any hard body on a frontier, Nissan showed the old hard body, with anew face beside it. whether it compact or not nobody knows.
The Ridgeline starts at near $40K and goes up to $50K, similar to the Tacoma TRD's price range. And yes, the Ridgeline is awesome. ALL auto journalists praise it. I wish I had one but don't have a need for it.
The Hilux is currently sold worldwide into 190 countries with production in 6 Countries in Single and Double Cab versions and as of August 2022 they have sold over 560,00 units every year with the largest market being in Asia with 175,000 units per annum followed by 124,000 units sold in South America with the rest sold in the middle east and Australia and New Zealand and Europe in 5 different Hilux Models and for Toyota the Worldwide Hilux Version has descent sales globally , so not everything in the Toyota Truck Division is USA Centric
The HiLux is the top pickup in Brasil (made in Argentina).However, it costs over 50k USD there; a very expensive truck, and for years the Chevy S10 and the Hilux used the Diesel from MWM as their main engine, which happens to be from a VW subsidiary. The car business is a lot more complex than people realize. So many regulations and quirks in each country to work around. Outside of places like Indonesia and Malaysia i don't see a lot of cheap small trucks.
If the Toyota Compact Cruiser is coming with body-on-frame construction and a gas engine, is it not more likely to be produced on that production line and platform? Then the problem becomes one of where they will make this. I would assume the Compact Cruiser will be made in Japan--but it will have to be built in North America to avoid the chicken tax.
Toyota and other automakers should definitely consider producing more of what they are currently selling to address demand and mitigate excessive mark-ups rather than launching new models without any units to sell.
Demand and supply will balance eventually. Going forward, I want more model choices not fewer. Toyota's bizarre distribution network is also to blame for markups.
People want affordable trucks. When the compact truck died last time they got too expensive in comparison to the full-size truck. The Santa Cruz is expensive so is the Honda Ridgeline. Ford comes out with the Maverick at a decent price boom! Back in 1991 I could have bought a Nissan hardbody for $8000. Bare bones truck. Manufacturers abandoned low cost trucks because of their bottom line. 40k for a new truck they can keep them.
Eventually the F150 will be the size of the current F250 and the current Ranger will be the size of the current F150 and the Maverick will be the size of the current Ranger....it keeps happening
Am 44yrs,& I remember when I was young the Stout pick up was larger than the Hilux of that time,& now to have it(Stout) smaller than a Hilux doesn't make sense.
I had a 1980 longbed 5 speed manual p/u and loved that truck wish I never got rid of it. If they made a newer version of that I would buy it in an instant
they might still do it, they said they had no plans on giving the supra a manual but turns out the second they started getting so many requests for it they immediately started creating it.
Thinking with inflation not seeming to end and if a new compact Toyota Pickup truck was priced $10,000 less than a mid-size truck, it would definitely steal sales from the Tacoma. But, on the other hand, it seems Toyota will 'miss the boat' if they don't produce one with that market so hot right now.
If you look at it in another way, some people only buy the Tacoma because they don't have a compact truck option and they want the Toyota reliability/durability so having a compact option will definitely allow those people to go one segment below which I guess could be stealing the sales of the Tacoma. But it will also introduce more people into the Toyota family since the Maverick is still so hard to get and the Santa Cruz's reliability is questionable given it's a Hyundai product.
The thing you guys don’t know about Toyota is they don’t deviate from their heritage. They can make a truck but they are never going to do it a unibody it will surely be body on frame. And being body on frame means it’s going to be more expensive than the maverick, that means they are going to be on the losing end.
My neighbor has a mint condition Toyota pick parked in his drive way. But gardeners love these old pick up. There beds are loaded with all their gear plus there are three of them in the cab. They sound like they must have over 500k miles on the odometer. Maybe running on three or two cylinders.
I bought a 1990 Toyota Hilux 4x4 33 years ago and I just gave it to my son and it's still running. Yes I would love to have a Toyota Truck like the Hilux again. I have never owned a Ford and want to keep it that way. The pictures I have seen of the Stout looks nice. Bring it and I will buy it.
The Suzuki Jimmy has already a 5 door version and a propose single cab pick up version is brewing. Its possible that the Mini Cruizer and Stotz pick up, could be base on the Suzuki Jimmy .model.
I have three pick up trucks. A 3500, a 1500, and the Ford maverick hybrid. I get between 40 to 50 miles per gallon with my maverick. Guess which one we’re driving all the time now!
All Toyota has to do is get rid of the enclosed cargo area behind the back seat of a RAV4 or Corolla Cross and extend it a few inches and simply convert it into a bed. Boom you have the all new Toyota Stout. You’re welcome
The market is there! I hear quite a few people looking for a truck but the ones on market are either too big or just made excessively larger just to meet or pass the EPA regulations which of course are ridiculous. If the smaller trucks came back I forsure would've bought one instead of the RAV I know the cross is there but it was too late. I do feel the pricing would've been just as insane if not worse just because it is a "truck". My area has high markups for anything at a dealer even used which seems crazy I had to go quite far just to find a decent price. Edit: I seen someone find some loophole (i guess it would be considered) it would have to be electric or some kind of hybrid so who knows what'll happen.
Probably due to the fact that most of the manufacturers including Toyota are moving more towards larger higher priced vehicles that come with higher profit margins.
How sad is this news? Very sad! I was getting ready for a small Toyota pickup to come out soon & buy one, but if they don't want my business then I will have to look elsewhere. I used to own a 1986 Toyota pickup & currently own a 2003 Tacoma Extra Cab. I like the looks of the Maverick but don't want to wait forever to order one. Also, I don't like the looks of the Hyundai Santa Cruz(I don't care for trucks that looks like they just chopped the back off an suv). Any truth to Subaru maybe bringing back a small truck?. Thanks for always giving us the inside scoop Kirk!
I want a small pickup, rear wheel drive, 4 or 6 cylinder, available straight and auto trans. I do not want a mutation to compete with the Ford Maverick. When I say small, I mean like a 1980 Chevy Luv pickup small. Like a 90's 2 wheel drive Tacoma. The reason they quit making those pickups was pure greed.
Since we got rid of sedans and their segments, I don’t see why they haven’t converted that line up to trucks/SUVs, Corolla? Corolla cross, Camry? Rav4, Avalon? Crown. Point is we need a truck line up that consists of a small medium and large truck. That being the new Stout, the Tacoma and the Tundra. Would actually have a good truck line up to compete with Ford and GM
How about the Honda Ridgeline? Has it benefited from the increased interest in small pickup trucks? Any rumors re a new design based on the latest Pilot?
Here's a novel idea, maybe Toyota should focus on actually producing enough current model trucks to meet the current demand instead of bringing another "flavor of the week" to market. My local dealers still have no inventory of current trucks, everything is allocations that you have to purchase sight unseen, with no ability to test drive.
If they want my 2001 Toyota Tacoma sr5 it’s in mint condition. It’s single cab classic and 4x4. I’d trade the dealer for a brand new trd pro 2023 Tacoma in magnetic gray!
Maybe at the dealer meeting someone brings up the ridiculous markups that dealers are taking on product. So many people talking about the $5-$10 markups on the GH and R4 Prime
Kind of crazy how well the Maverick has done and all the demand for a small truck that's existed for a long time now and Toyota didn't immediately jump on board. Going to be way too late to capitalize on it if they ever get around to it.
I've been a Toyota pickup and Tacoma guy for 30 years. And I actually looked into buying a Maverick recently. Can't believe I was even using the "F" word for a minute there! So yes, I would love to have a smaller, hybrid Toyota pickup!
Replace the back end of a Highlander Hybrid with a bed, make the sheet metal resemble a Tacoma enough that it looks like a truck and sell every one that rolled off the assembly line.
Just got a 23 tacoma access cab Trf off road it is smaller then double cans and gives more of a truck feel then the double cabs but yeah a small pickup single cab would be insane I'd totally want one
Hard for me to consider a Santa Cruz for $45k. Still don’t think the stout will end up here. Disappointed that the remodel of the 4 Runner was put on the back burner for the Land Cruiser.
We have a Maverick turbo. Getting 29.2 mpg now. Get around 23 in city driving normal not trying .. has been great at random jobs and no issues. 2022 with 11k miles. We are a Toyota Lexus family but they have nothing to compare so we bought the Ford
It would be cool if they took a page out of the RAM playbook and offer the 2023 Tacoma as a 2024 “Classic” alongside the new 2024 Tacoma for a year or two to help pad sales and please the purists while they figure out what they’re going to do with the Stout. All they need to do is make a RAV4 pickup. Not that difficult.
The “truck guys” that want a maverick are the same guys that bought s-10 xtremes and maxed out their tow capacity because they wanted to be like the big boys with full size trucks. Now they want fuel economy over anything else. Not sure these things will tow any better.
Finally. Someone seeing through the smoke and mirrors. Toyota ain't doing squat with the Stout. And all the vids on UA-cam talking about it is just for views and hype. I'm placing bets that nissan and Subaru bring a small pickup truck before the Stout even enters production.
Subaru and Toyota should team up to bring back the Subaru Baja and produce the Toyota Stout. Very curious to see if the next generation Toyota Hilux will be a rebadged Toyota Tacoma or a different truck. Also curious if the next generation Toyota 4Runner and Toyota Fortuner will be the same or different.
Owned 2 small Toyota pickup trucks they both rusted away before they quit running. Love the old small trucks but does anyone really believe there's going to be a 15K truck?
i want more sedan options and smaller vehicles. lost the honda fit and toyota yaris. I like cheap/affordable/reliable vehicles. Currently riding my Corolla out, and the only other options are really another Corolla, and they're soooo expensive still new. $30k new corolla with good trim level.
I think Toyota needs to build a truck to compete with the Maverick. As far as losing sales with their other trucks, like the tundra, or the Tacoma not sure that would happen If a person needs to buy a truck to tow heavy loads, they would buy a tundra for medium loads a Tacoma for a vehicle for just fuel mileage and some bed capacity and very light towing, and a four-door people mover ,Why not a stout. I think that would make sense and would probably be a very desired truck. Look at Maverik they can’t sell them fast enough
Well, I believe it’s hard for Toyota to bring out a new pickup model now considering that they’re moving towards electrification. Perhaps when they’ve already solved their electrification problems, like when they already have the best batteries, best motors, best e-axles, I believe that’s the time they can bring out new models and try to compete.
No, corporate is right, when small comes out consumers want bigger this and that. Even tacoma wants to get taller and bigger. Plus what can you carry in a smaller bed? Even the short bed tacomas are stupid.
When i park my 94' Toyota 4wd xtra cab pickup next to a maverick my truck is still smaller width and cab wise. It's probably more equivalent to a tacoma from early 2000s. The maverick is definitely cheaper body and durability being based on unibody crossover vehicle. Who knows Toyotas decision fun to speculate but id rather have a smaller body on frame truck would be my preference.
As a long time 1st gen Tundra owner, I really don't see the point of these tiny four door "pick-ups". You give up so much utility just to get a cramped back row. IMO you're better off with a small SUV, at least you can lock up your cargo. The current generation Tacoma takes up about as much space as my first gen Tundra, but offers nothing near the comfort or capacity. I would love to see a compact pickup that's actually built to be a work truck, but I doubt Toyota is willing to risk cannibalizing sales of the Tacoma.
little single cab truck, a simple N/A 2.5l with 200hp some chunky 235/70/17s and some decent height maybe a inch or two lower than tacoma. simple 6 or 8 speed automatic.
25k views only 1K likes....you guys BETTER LIKE THIS VIDEO!!!!! or else, I will force you to only be allowed to drive Dodge trucks out of warranty (no classics, only stuff made in the last 10 years).
I have a 90 rwd pickup w/22re. ❤. Love it. But you can't really build a vehicle quite like that anymore. And the profit for those small vehicles is low.
The big problem is EPA regulations, they keep sensible vehicles out of the market. It is absolutely insane. Personally I would love to see something similar to the first generation Tacoma, a small pickup with a 4-banger and a manual transmission. Nice and simple.
Agreed. First vehicle I learned how to drive.
yes plz
the government would rather you buy a half ton with a v8 so they can rape us more with taxes
They need to add a small pickup to their lineup. It would make huge numbers in major cities. At the end of the day, I’d love a pickup for its utility, but in Los Angeles there is literally not enough room for most of these huge new pickups. Parking alone is a massive reason why I haven’t gotten one. But if a small pickup was an option, I’d buy one immediately.
@JoeyShip there is literally more utility in a CR-V than there is in a Maverick. If you want something for the 1 day out of every 5 years you need to haul a fridge, get a small trailer.
Example A thinks a ranger, gladiator, or Tacoma are “huge”
After just finishing a river cruise covering, Germany, France, Netherlands and Switzerland. Our country has to really do a lot of re-thinking. I didn't see any "large" SUV's or trucks. There were tons of smaller very economical vehicles and everyone seemed to get around just fine. I am guilty as I want the luxury of a larger vehicle because that is what I grew up with. However, in my younger days I had a small SR5 pickup and it was a blast and got great mileage, very dependable too. However, as I wanted to tow larger items and haul larger items I eventually gave into a full size pickup. The part I keep struggling with is that at one point I had a Ford short bed with an inline 300 cu in 6 cyl, got anywhere from 17-22+ mpg. put 130,000+ trouble free miles on it. Flash forward to today and we don't get a heck of a lot better mpg's. Granted cleaner boring and more power & torque but at a tremendous increase in price and reliability. It doesn't matter what we want, it boils down to the dollar and profit and meeting safety and emissions standards to the dealers and manufacturers. It is beyond me how I survived all those years without ABS brakes, air bags, lane assist, a review camera, power windows, sunroofs, power adjustable mirrors, adaptive cruise control, GPS, etc, etc, etc.............. somehow millions of us did. :) PS: If you got this far reading this, you are doing a great job! Seriously, really enjoy your channel. Even my wife watches occasionally.
@ronpearce7198 You articulated my thoughts exactly… returning from Europe, I am currently looking for a used less than 15k pickup and I can’t find nothing baseline and affordable. Every vehicle is filled with options driving the prices to the sky.
I concur, back in Europe more practical, affordable, economical véhicules are available although those guys drive less than us… ??
Boring
Most of us europeans drive either a small hatchback or a small crossover. We go everywhere with them. And in the rare case of our trunk area getting overfilled we just add a roofbox.
It’s hard to compare America with Europe. For one you get off the main roads you drive mid evil roads meant for horse drawn traffic . In Germany you are actually taxed on the displacement size of your engine. Americans cry about gas prices. They don’t know what expensive gas is. Practicality is a whole different thing there. No one wants to sell anything cheap on cost only on quality.
Europe has more reasonable emission laws than the U.S. Vehicles keep getting larger in America because emission laws are more lenient, the larger the vehicle is.
OMG, at 0:31, that small silver Toyota pick-up was the exact truck I owned. I remember paying $8600 for it brand new from Toyota of Orange in California. It was the base, stripped out model, no hubcaps, no door mats, and not even a rear bumper. All it had was an AM/FM radio. I had to pay extra for the air conditioning, which was a lifesaver in the summer. The seats were vinyl and when I saved enough money I bought Toyota's velour bench covers and they were amazing. I bought floor mats and I paid $300 to buy a rear bumper. My last big purchase was I paid $600 for an aftermarket stereo. It was awesome driving down an empty fwy at 2am, windows rolled down, blasting Mozart's Requiem. Unfortunately, I sold the car two years later when I moved to NYC. I think I got $6,000 for it. What I loved about the pick-up is that it was really cheap, even for its time. To put things in perspective, Honda CRX's were selling for around $14,000. Civics were selling for not much less. I never had a care in the world driving that little pick-up. Oil and service charges twice a year was something like $60. Why can't we bring back simplicity again? Get rid of all this computer crap! If you must have an infotainment screen, use a magnetic smart phone mount. Make cars analog again. Kirk, you are Superman! Just Do It! How do you improve a spoon?
“You won’t get a lemon at Toyota of Orange!” Unfortunately the EPA and crash rules make a true small pickup impossible to build. The Maverick (which I’m lucky enough to have) is really not that small. If I park it next to a 80’s or 90’s Toyota pickup it looks huge. I agree with Kirk that a hybrid Toyota pickup would sell like crazy. Ford clearly can’t produce enough hybrid Mavericks. Someone else needs to get into that space- the demand is there.
@@1250ships Hah hah! You remember the commercial! 😆 It was everywhere. Do you remember, "Go See Cal Worthington and his dog, Spot!" Anyway, inclusive of crash rules, I can't see why auto manufacturers, in 2023, with modern materials can't easily make a small two door pick-up. It's not rocket science. The reason manufacturers don't build small, simple, affordable cars is that there's not enough profit. They'd rather build luxury cars and throw in gizmos and charge 4 times the price. I don't buy that profits are razor thin on automobiles. The CEOs, executives, and shareholders make millions. This is like the media pushing the narrative that Disney is "losing" money. That's funny, Bob Iger, just one guy at Disney, made $195,092,460 over 5 years. Disney is losing money alright, to Bob Iger. I believe that Kirk can move mountains.... and leap over tall buildings in a single bound.
I'm gonna pour myself a stout right about now.
I am drinking a Fat Bottom Ruby American Red Ale.
I hope it makes you bad I'm on the wagon. UK den
Kirk, Moving Tacoma production to Mexico was the saddest day Toyota pickup fans will ever have to endure. 🤨 The loss of the 'right-sized' Toyota T100 was the second worst. In the case of Hino's T100, the Chicken Tax just made it finger lickin' good. 😉
I was a skeptic with my Mex made 2007 Taco, but after 14 years and almost 300k, the myth of it being poorly made is bogus.
@@igglybiggly6951 Poorly made may be bogus but poorly paid is the ugly truth. It is the loss of high quality manufacturing jobs that concerns me. The made-in-California 2010 Tacoma we have in the family was built by middle-class, tax-paying American production workers who could actually afford to buy what they were building. Toyota and every other automaker disgrace themselves with their poverty pay in Mexico.
I could argue that the previous and current Tacoma is the size of the T100 you desire
@@rightlanehog3151 Not just poverty pay, but loss of good jobs in America. What's the end game when eventually they move so much jobs overseas and Mexico that no one can afford (cause they have no jobs) whatever shit they're making to import back into the country.
That's why I'll stick with my 22 Frontier because at least it's still made in America in good old Mississippi.😇
Tiny Toyota pickup single cab. Instantly would buy it. 6 speed, good sized work bed. Charge 26k for basic version and $32k for loaded. Naturally aspirated engine with dual port and DI injection, 2.0 liter or 2.5 tuned for efficiency and torque
Yeah I totally agree with you! A lower to the ground 4x2 and a higher ground clearance 4x4 both single or double cab.
Sign me up
Toyota is smart and probably being cautious incase the recession worsens.
I continue to drive the 1997 Tacoma that I bought new. It's now my second vehicle, but it comes in handy a couple times a month. About once a month, someone knocks on my front door or leaves me a note with an offer to buy my truck, and that tells me demand for a small truck exists. The new Tacoma is huge, and the Ford Maverick is interesting but even it's a bit too big. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a new Toyota small truck if it were truly small.
I would like to see something the size of the single cab Hilux with the simple 2.7 engine and manual transmission.
Ever since Ford introduced a unibody pick-up truck, the Maverick, into the market... they've essentially had it to themselves..."
Ridgeline - *cough* "say what?"
Just had my 91 toy 4x4 stolen. My 1st truck purchased at 19. Had it 32 years and 151k miles. 😢 I cried a river
I looked at a Maverick and a Tacoma. I am 6'4" and I absolutely can not fit in either. Forced to buy a full size truck if I want a truck, which I do. So I did. Tundra 2024.
I used to drive an old dodge dakota with a bench front seat and manual trans. I really loved that truck.
All those old gen Hilux's in the pictures are my favorite 👌
Im glad that USA gets the Tacoma, on the catch side the HiLux gets the better engine though. There was a video that explains about why the growth in size and it has to do with wheelbase and meeting EPA standards, it was quite an eye opener for the reasoning for the Tacoma 1st-3rd gen growth.
I wouldn't say they have it better. Maybe before they introduced the turbo diesel sure but now? Idk if they will hold up like they used too.
I swore I would never buy a new vehicle but if Toyota made a regular cab with very minimal electric options, I want to be the first on the list
This is the opposite of what the Toyota salesman I spoke to told me. He says that, not only is the Stout coming, but that the dealers have already been shown it.
Take that for what you will ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I owned an 78, 83, 84 and 89 Toyota Hilux.
My 84 and was an Extra cab, 6’ bed.
The rest were Regular cabs with the 6’ bed.
Our current pickup is a 11 Ranger super cab with a 6’ bed.
We use our pickup mainly for work around our property, but if we can get a Stout Extra cab AWD Hybrid, we’ll sell both our Ranger and my wife’s Outback. She can have my Forester Touring, (currently with only 13K miles).
Our 11 Ranger has only 36K miles.
I think the Toyota guy was throwing everyone off. Just watch-it will probably be announced at the dealers meeting. LOL
That would be embarrassing for Kirk. 😂
Thats what I think… they aint spilling them beens yet😂
I had a Toyota HiLux back in the 70’s. Man I wish I had kept it.
had one of those little guys in the 80's best truck ever. only had to replace the water pump at 140k km's. easy and cheap fix back then.
Toyota really needs to make a sub $25k pickup truck.
At 25k it would have to be based off the Corolla.
@@americandude3825Corolla Cross Truck
5:36 that's my fav the Xtracab Long Bed from the mid-80s. Also at 2:34 Thanks for the slide show.
If Toyota doesn’t release a small pickup, maybe Nissan will. They are supposed to show something at the NAAS bringing back the old Hardbody Nissan trucks. We shall see what they reveal this week to the public.
@devildog5354 Nissan did not show any hard body on a frontier, Nissan showed the old hard body, with anew face beside it. whether it compact or not nobody knows.
Before the Maverick the Ridgeline was around and it is awesome.
The Ridgeline is a LOT more expensive than the Maverick. Though the advantage is that you CAN actually buy one.
Ridgeline rear wheel drive? I don't think so.
@@magnus9165 The Maverick is standard front wheel drive (AWD optional) while the Ridgeline is standard AWD.
@@magnus9165The Ridgeline has SH-AWD, and yes, it's much more expensive than the Maverick. It's as expensive as the Tacoma TRD.
The Ridgeline starts at near $40K and goes up to $50K, similar to the Tacoma TRD's price range. And yes, the Ridgeline is awesome. ALL auto journalists praise it. I wish I had one but don't have a need for it.
I hope the small pickup will be made in Japan and not mexico
The Hilux is currently sold worldwide into 190 countries with production in 6 Countries in Single and Double Cab versions and as of August 2022 they have sold over 560,00 units every year with the largest market being in Asia with 175,000 units per annum followed by 124,000 units sold in South America with the rest sold in the middle east and Australia and New Zealand and Europe in 5 different Hilux Models and for Toyota the Worldwide Hilux Version has descent sales globally , so not everything in the Toyota Truck Division is USA Centric
The HiLux is the top pickup in Brasil (made in Argentina).However, it costs over 50k USD there; a very expensive truck, and for years the Chevy S10 and the Hilux used the Diesel from MWM as their main engine, which happens to be from a VW subsidiary. The car business is a lot more complex than people realize. So many regulations and quirks in each country to work around. Outside of places like Indonesia and Malaysia i don't see a lot of cheap small trucks.
If the Toyota Compact Cruiser is coming with body-on-frame construction and a gas engine, is it not more likely to be produced on that production line and platform? Then the problem becomes one of where they will make this. I would assume the Compact Cruiser will be made in Japan--but it will have to be built in North America to avoid the chicken tax.
Toyota and other automakers should definitely consider producing more of what they are currently selling to address demand and mitigate excessive mark-ups rather than launching new models without any units to sell.
Demand and supply will balance eventually. Going forward, I want more model choices not fewer. Toyota's bizarre distribution network is also to blame for markups.
Toyota's distribution network is the gold standard... What is bizarre about it?@@rightlanehog3151
People want affordable trucks. When the compact truck died last time they got too expensive in comparison to the full-size truck. The Santa Cruz is expensive so is the Honda Ridgeline. Ford comes out with the Maverick at a decent price boom! Back in 1991 I could have bought a Nissan hardbody for $8000. Bare bones truck. Manufacturers abandoned low cost trucks because of their bottom line. 40k for a new truck they can keep them.
I imagine in a couple of decades, even the maverick will become too big lmao
Eventually the F150 will be the size of the current F250 and the current Ranger will be the size of the current F150 and the Maverick will be the size of the current Ranger....it keeps happening
Am 44yrs,& I remember when I was young the Stout pick up was larger than the Hilux of that time,& now to have it(Stout) smaller than a Hilux doesn't make sense.
I had a 1980 longbed 5 speed manual p/u and loved that truck wish I never got rid of it. If they made a newer version of that I would buy it in an instant
they might still do it, they said they had no plans on giving the supra a manual but turns out the second they started getting so many requests for it they immediately started creating it.
Thinking with inflation not seeming to end and if a new compact Toyota Pickup truck was priced $10,000 less than a mid-size truck, it would definitely steal sales from the Tacoma. But, on the other hand, it seems Toyota will 'miss the boat' if they don't produce one with that market so hot right now.
If you look at it in another way, some people only buy the Tacoma because they don't have a compact truck option and they want the Toyota reliability/durability so having a compact option will definitely allow those people to go one segment below which I guess could be stealing the sales of the Tacoma. But it will also introduce more people into the Toyota family since the Maverick is still so hard to get and the Santa Cruz's reliability is questionable given it's a Hyundai product.
@@TaijiArban Yep 👍🏻 That’s what I did in 2020 buying a TRD PRO Tacoma.
That's a bummer. My dad has a 2017 Tundra SR5 and my mom calls it an apartment on wheels. There's always the used 1st gen Tundra I guess for me.
The Wolf Electric Truck looks cool. Wish Toyota did something like that minus the electric part.
The thing you guys don’t know about Toyota is they don’t deviate from their heritage. They can make a truck but they are never going to do it a unibody it will surely be body on frame. And being body on frame means it’s going to be more expensive than the maverick, that means they are going to be on the losing end.
I want old school long bed Toyota pickup. Much easier to load and have good capacity. I don't need a 3 ft bed for name sake.
Exactly!
My neighbor has a mint condition Toyota pick parked in his drive way. But gardeners love these old pick up. There beds are loaded with all their gear plus there are three of them in the cab. They sound like they must have over 500k miles on the odometer. Maybe running on three or two cylinders.
My parents had a 72 Toyota truck long bed, 4 cylinder and manual transmission. You could load it up with sheetrock or wood paneling with no problem.
I bought a 1990 Toyota Hilux 4x4 33 years ago and I just gave it to my son and it's still running. Yes I would love to have a Toyota Truck like the Hilux again. I have never owned a Ford and want to keep it that way. The pictures I have seen of the Stout looks nice. Bring it and I will buy it.
It’s the chicken tax! Ripping of the consumer one federal tax at a time!
The Suzuki Jimmy has already a 5 door version and a propose single cab pick up version is brewing. Its possible that the Mini Cruizer and Stotz pick up, could be base on the Suzuki Jimmy .model.
I have three pick up trucks. A 3500, a 1500, and the Ford maverick hybrid. I get between 40 to 50 miles per gallon with my maverick. Guess which one we’re driving all the time now!
Hi Kirk,
I hope TOYOTA makes a small truck to compete with the Ford maverick❤
Do you have any news on when pricing for LEXUS TX will be announced? Dealers are already getting allocations but no prices
If I'm remembering it correctly, the hybrid system in the Maverick is actually made by Toyota
I heard that Ford used some of Toyota’s royalty free hybrid patents, but I’m not sure if Ford used a whole Toyota hybrid system. I wonder…🤔
It’s true from what I remember. Their motor is slightly different but the trans is Toyota designed.
Ford purchased or used some of Toyota's hybrid technology and design. It's not made by Toyota.
Ford tech is not design/made by Toyota, it similar, so that why it made by Aisin.
@@PattyKuluCakes well what you heard is wrong.
All Toyota has to do is get rid of the enclosed cargo area behind the back seat of a RAV4 or Corolla Cross and extend it a few inches and simply convert it into a bed. Boom you have the all new Toyota Stout. You’re welcome
The market is there! I hear quite a few people looking for a truck but the ones on market are either too big or just made excessively larger just to meet or pass the EPA regulations which of course are ridiculous. If the smaller trucks came back I forsure would've bought one instead of the RAV I know the cross is there but it was too late. I do feel the pricing would've been just as insane if not worse just because it is a "truck". My area has high markups for anything at a dealer even used which seems crazy I had to go quite far just to find a decent price.
Edit: I seen someone find some loophole (i guess it would be considered) it would have to be electric or some kind of hybrid so who knows what'll happen.
Probably due to the fact that most of the manufacturers including Toyota are moving more towards larger higher priced vehicles that come with higher profit margins.
How sad is this news? Very sad! I was getting ready for a small Toyota pickup to come out soon & buy one, but if they don't want my business then I will have to look elsewhere. I used to own a 1986 Toyota pickup & currently own a 2003 Tacoma Extra Cab. I like the looks of the Maverick but don't want to wait forever to order one. Also, I don't like the looks of the Hyundai Santa Cruz(I don't care for trucks that looks like they just chopped the back off an suv). Any truth to Subaru maybe bringing back a small truck?. Thanks for always giving us the inside scoop Kirk!
I want a small pickup, rear wheel drive, 4 or 6 cylinder, available straight and auto trans. I do not want a mutation to compete with the Ford Maverick. When I say small, I mean like a 1980 Chevy Luv pickup small. Like a 90's 2 wheel drive Tacoma. The reason they quit making those pickups was pure greed.
Kirk, have you talked to the crew at Subaru??? Baja/Brat 🤷🏽♂️
Since we got rid of sedans and their segments, I don’t see why they haven’t converted that line up to trucks/SUVs, Corolla? Corolla cross, Camry? Rav4, Avalon? Crown. Point is we need a truck line up that consists of a small medium and large truck. That being the new Stout, the Tacoma and the Tundra. Would actually have a good truck line up to compete with Ford and GM
Toyota loves 'missing'. They MISSED big with the FJ cruiser by not offering a removable top.
How about the Honda Ridgeline? Has it benefited from the increased interest in small pickup trucks? Any rumors re a new design based on the latest Pilot?
I have been waiting a LONG time for a smaller Toyota PU Truck with an actual LOOOONG functional bed in the back. PLEASE Toyota!!!!
Here's a novel idea, maybe Toyota should focus on actually producing enough current model trucks to meet the current demand instead of bringing another "flavor of the week" to market. My local dealers still have no inventory of current trucks, everything is allocations that you have to purchase sight unseen, with no ability to test drive.
I accept your frustration but sooner or later supply will catch up with demand.
$50k+ for two rails and a bed?
NO THANKS!!!
If they want my 2001 Toyota Tacoma sr5 it’s in mint condition. It’s single cab classic and 4x4. I’d trade the dealer for a brand new trd pro 2023 Tacoma in magnetic gray!
Maybe at the dealer meeting someone brings up the ridiculous markups that dealers are taking on product. So many people talking about the $5-$10 markups on the GH and R4 Prime
Kind of crazy how well the Maverick has done and all the demand for a small truck that's existed for a long time now and Toyota didn't immediately jump on board. Going to be way too late to capitalize on it if they ever get around to it.
I've been a Toyota pickup and Tacoma guy for 30 years. And I actually looked into buying a Maverick recently. Can't believe I was even using the "F" word for a minute there! So yes, I would love to have a smaller, hybrid Toyota pickup!
Replace the back end of a Highlander Hybrid with a bed, make the sheet metal resemble a Tacoma enough that it looks like a truck and sell every one that rolled off the assembly line.
The Santa Cruz is ugly AF and the Ford Maverick is, well...a Ford. Toyota would own the market if they released the Stout.
Just got a 23 tacoma access cab Trf off road it is smaller then double cans and gives more of a truck feel then the double cabs but yeah a small pickup single cab would be insane I'd totally want one
Hard for me to consider a Santa Cruz for $45k. Still don’t think the stout will end up here. Disappointed that the remodel of the 4 Runner was put on the back burner for the Land Cruiser.
We have a Maverick turbo. Getting 29.2 mpg now. Get around 23 in city driving normal not trying .. has been great at random jobs and no issues. 2022 with 11k miles. We are a Toyota Lexus family but they have nothing to compare so we bought the Ford
It would be cool if they took a page out of the RAM playbook and offer the 2023 Tacoma as a 2024 “Classic” alongside the new 2024 Tacoma for a year or two to help pad sales and please the purists while they figure out what they’re going to do with the Stout. All they need to do is make a RAV4 pickup. Not that difficult.
The “truck guys” that want a maverick are the same guys that bought s-10 xtremes and maxed out their tow capacity because they wanted to be like the big boys with full size trucks. Now they want fuel economy over anything else. Not sure these things will tow any better.
The left side of the video is just eyegasm 😍
No need for Toyota to launch too many products and dilute the brand.
Finally. Someone seeing through the smoke and mirrors.
Toyota ain't doing squat with the Stout. And all the vids on UA-cam talking about it is just for views and hype.
I'm placing bets that nissan and Subaru bring a small pickup truck before the Stout even enters production.
Me: gripping my phone waiting for you to mention great grandma a.k.a the 4runner... We have lost hope 😅
why spend 15 grand to make a cheap 20k truck, when you can spend the same money and mark it up 70k
Subaru and Toyota should team up to bring back the Subaru Baja and produce the Toyota Stout.
Very curious to see if the next generation Toyota Hilux will be a rebadged Toyota Tacoma or a different truck.
Also curious if the next generation Toyota 4Runner and Toyota Fortuner will be the same or different.
I'm so bummed . . But we can dream fondly on the gem of a Stout truck from Ryan Tuerk, I'm sure you'd enjoy it Kirk.
Owned 2 small Toyota pickup trucks they both rusted away before they quit running. Love the old small trucks but does anyone really believe there's going to be a 15K truck?
EPA regulations make it more profitable to make bigger pickups. That leads to higher gas consumption and it appears to be intentional.
I had better hold onto my 1999 V6 Extra Cab 4x4 Tacoma. 222,800 and going strong.
If Toyota comes out with it, I hope they price it so high that dealers wouldn't be able to mark it up anymore.
i want more sedan options and smaller vehicles. lost the honda fit and toyota yaris. I like cheap/affordable/reliable vehicles. Currently riding my Corolla out, and the only other options are really another Corolla, and they're soooo expensive still new. $30k new corolla with good trim level.
Bring back the Yaris!!!!!!!!!
I think Toyota needs to build a truck to compete with the Maverick. As far as losing sales with their other trucks, like the tundra, or the Tacoma not sure that would happen If a person needs to buy a truck to tow heavy loads, they would buy a tundra for medium loads a Tacoma for a vehicle for just fuel mileage and some bed capacity and very light towing, and a four-door people mover ,Why not a stout. I think that would make sense and would probably be a very desired truck. Look at Maverik they can’t sell them fast enough
Well, I believe it’s hard for Toyota to bring out a new pickup model now considering that they’re moving towards electrification. Perhaps when they’ve already solved their electrification problems, like when they already have the best batteries, best motors, best e-axles, I believe that’s the time they can bring out new models and try to compete.
We need an Extra Cab with a 6’ bed, AWD Hybrid Stout.
Honda is thinking how did the Pilot get picked in but people love the Maverick.
No, corporate is right, when small comes out consumers want bigger this and that. Even tacoma wants to get taller and bigger. Plus what can you carry in a smaller bed? Even the short bed tacomas are stupid.
When are we going to see an updated toyota hilux ?
When i park my 94' Toyota 4wd xtra cab pickup next to a maverick my truck is still smaller width and cab wise. It's probably more equivalent to a tacoma from early 2000s. The maverick is definitely cheaper body and durability being based on unibody crossover vehicle. Who knows Toyotas decision fun to speculate but id rather have a smaller body on frame truck would be my preference.
As a long time 1st gen Tundra owner, I really don't see the point of these tiny four door "pick-ups". You give up so much utility just to get a cramped back row. IMO you're better off with a small SUV, at least you can lock up your cargo. The current generation Tacoma takes up about as much space as my first gen Tundra, but offers nothing near the comfort or capacity.
I would love to see a compact pickup that's actually built to be a work truck, but I doubt Toyota is willing to risk cannibalizing sales of the Tacoma.
little single cab truck, a simple N/A 2.5l with 200hp some chunky 235/70/17s and some decent height maybe a inch or two lower than tacoma. simple 6 or 8 speed automatic.
No your wrong 😂 I ve owned Tacomas and have a 23 I don’t at all want a pickup like a Maverick girly car.
At the dealer meeting they unveiled this as a BEV.
Just give me a new Tacoma - with a naturally aspirated engine and a hybrid set-up tuned for MPGs rather than maximum power.
25k views only 1K likes....you guys BETTER LIKE THIS VIDEO!!!!! or else, I will force you to only be allowed to drive Dodge trucks out of warranty (no classics, only stuff made in the last 10 years).
People can no longer afford $50K-$125K for a new pickup.
The Stout should be a double cab with a 6 ft bed like Toyota does.
like the RN 22 @8:27, 8:34 press photo the gear shifter is not in park 8:41 SR5
I have a 90 rwd pickup w/22re. ❤. Love it. But you can't really build a vehicle quite like that anymore. And the profit for those small vehicles is low.