Responding To Dr Dray’s ‘The Ordinary's Retinols - Are They Worth It?’
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Glad you said it. So many comments derailed so hard from anything related to your topic. Completely unnecessary. ✌👏
80% of comments here are about Dr Dray not about what she said. Contrary to that, I actualy learn from comments on Dr Drays's chanel. And btw what she said in her video is valid! It may be that followers here lack sufficient attention span. Judging by comments they tend to yawn a lot and are easily irritated. 🤷♀️
The only one getting bullied in this comment section is DrDray people in the comments saying she has an eating disorder and an annoying voice also comments about her sick mother this is not ok. Please do something about your followers.
It's discusting some of the things people say about her. She is obviously ill in some way . Why he horrible . She gives amazing advice and helps so so many people. Kudos and props for calling that out.
Exactly
Thank you for sharing such informed thoughts as always Cassandra!! Loved hearing your perspective- I will say, people give The Ordinary a really hard time but the price point is a HUGE aspect that makes me love it so much. So many of my viewers can't afford standard skin care (let alone a dermatologist), and I don't think anyone should be excluded from skin care because of income. And considering the price, they have some really high quality formulas. Both she and you made amazing points! ❤️
My three skin Gods in the same place!
@@anamarie4155 hahaha thats what i was thinking!!
And here we have the words of a pretend "specialist"!!! It really is the blind leading the blind!!!
Hyram love you!!!!!!
G Mav oh, god fuck yourself
I'll keep using Ordinary, the price is right, my skin tolerates it, and I get great results.
S O amen 🙏🏻
S O and in the end this is all that matters
Me too
S O great result? Did you compare to the other?
And ethics, cruelty free and vegan retinol products are very very hard to come by.
to the people who are implying that dr dray has a vendetta against the ordinary because its “cheap” - this is the same woman whose skin routine consists of a basic ass moisturizer, cleanser, spf, and tret. She continuously advocates for simple, drugstore products that are proven to be effective. Shes anything but “high budget” 🙄 Dont be mad cause shes not feeling your fav brand.
Giilly Sus wow that comment just slayed
MissErikaWoods and? that has nothing to do with her skin care routine
@@pignippleful That doesn't make her any less of a good doctor. She still advises people to use the good drug store products that are budget-friendly. The fact that she has a laser device for her head is her business. It's not like she's pushing everyone to buy the device. I'm sure that I own some things that may seem pricey to some folks and vice-versa. I have tried many things that Dr. Dray has commented on, especially some basic cleansers, moisturizers, oils and sunscreens. They are worked and only one of those items (a sunscreen) was pricey.
It's also funny because in this same video, Dr. Dray compliments several other The Ordinary products, and even says she regularly uses one of them (a moisturizer, I think?). She seems to only dislike their granactive retinol serums. Also, like...if you like TO retinol, and it works for you, then just use it? There is no need to get so defensive because of something a stranger said in a UA-cam video lol
I don't think she's bashing it because it's each cheap, rather because she finds other products give better results. While they may be more effective for some people, people have various skin conditions and encouraging everyone to get prescription forms that have a higher chance of causing irritation is a bit short-sighted. I would have liked it if she addressed pros/cons of these alternatives, who it caters to (for e.g. highly sensitive skin or the opposite) and if they are vegan/cruelty-free. I find her trustworthy regardless, but she can be quite aggressive when suggesting products.
why are people making comments about why they don't like Dr Dray when that has nothing to do with this video
Thank you for this! I feel like some people just comment under the guise of caring for her simply to satisfy a need for constant validation of their own life choices.
Because 😑
The sad part is that Dr.Dray usually doesn't criticize other people's skin care advise.
I like Dr Dray but I'm pissed at her promoting the overpriced Neutrogena anti wrinkle cream which includes fragrance, the same ,vit a as the ordinary and they test on animals yet she gives NO honest critique of it. Shes meant to be a vegan I don't get it =(
@@aprioriontoast704 she advertises the fragrance-free one. Also, there is no comparison between the years of research and funding that go into a neutrogena retinol vs the ordinary's product, they are worlds apart. Plus, it is companies like Johnson & Johnson, who own neutrogena, and Loreal who are actively spending money on introducing cruelty free testing methods in China. In fact, it is due to the work of L'oreal that China will stop animal testing cosmetic products.
I love how you explain everything in detail without an attitude. You seem genuinely interested in explaining pros and cons. You care about keeping the consumer informed.
Tonje Mari Engen honestly I can’t stand dr dray because she always comes off condescending imo. Whereas Cassandra is just informative about products.
@@Kat-qr7hv I like Dr. Dray but I gotta admit you're not wrong lmao
supps your comment sounds like a dr dray burner account. Ya know, condescending.
Lol, you should see her other Dr. Dray video, people were not pleased lol
"without an attitude"? I find her extremely bitchy in general.
I love dr dray's personality, the way she is so blunt is so funny to me lol
lol ikr i love when she pointed out ISNT TOMATO A PLANT THEN??!! i laughed so hard🙂
SAME lol @drdray
Dr Dray very honest, doesn't afraid to tell what she beliving at and what not
Dr. Dray is a well educated DOCTOR. She knows what she’s talking about. If you’ve seen her videos you’ll know she doesn’t stick behind a product because of hype OR even if she’s used it and liked it. She only recommends products that have some kind of scientific evidence behind them, and if they’re fragrance free. She’s also said a million times what works for one person may not work for another. The comments bashing her are ridiculous and cruel.
Dr Dray really has excellent UA-cam skin care content. I really enjoy her drugstore reviews too.
Jesus Martinez I disagree but ok. Her recommendations changed my skin for the better and saved my wallet. Of course different dermatologists will have different opinions, but a lot of the ones I follow recommend the same simple drugstore products. Also, all of her opinions are backed by medical research and journals, and she cites everything in her description box. So I choose to believe she’s knowledgable.
She is a SKIN doctor, not someone who studied the ingredients and how the interact with each other, or even makes them. There is a dermatologist who I have been following for a long time, all his patients over 50 look like they are in their middle 30's or even younger, he uses the ordinary retinol and many others which Dr Dray said was bad, but it is not.
account for truthful reviews she’s definitely studied the ingredients. That’s a part of her 12 years of schooling. And she never said the ordinary was terrible, she said there’s no research to back up their claims. Y’all need to chill tf out. If a product is working for you continue to use it, but don’t bash others if they don’t agree.
Love Dr Dray, but she also recommends products with denatured alcohol.
As healthcare providers, we are taught and truly believe in only recommending products that are evidence-based. Lots of testing, lots of trials, and peer reviews etc. it’s so much more important than you think. So for all saying “it works for my skin blah blah” I mean yeah same. I use the .5 retinol with Squalane. But she’s right about it being a problem for lack of research.
Jillian Gilbert 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼exactly
Amen
@Clementina Yael Severina M. Exactly. That's what I use as well.
Clementina Yael Severina M. Agreed. I use the .5 bc it’s my first time using a retinol. My skin is not sensitive whatsoever so I will be moving to the 1% soon. I really love it so far
Well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I had severe cystic acne and everything I tried didn’t work. Not even Curology. On my last ditch effort I tried the ordinary’s 2% granactive emulsion. I noticed less cystic acne but not completely gone. After finishing the bottle i moved up to the 5% in squalane and I haven’t had acne since. My skin is clear & glowing, now I am working on lightening hyperpigmentation!
Do you think the 5% would be ok for someone just starting to use Retinoid?
@sophie better start with a lower percentage. Like the 2% granactive retinoids because retinoid tends to dry out your skin, better combine it hydrating toner
sophie ollier no your skin needs to build up to the strength. As they said, the 1% in squalane is stronger than the 2% emulsion. Start with a low percentage and only use it a few days and see how your skin reacts. Remember that it may purge a little so don’t give up hope. Once your skin is used to retinol you can move up percentages.
I started using the 2% emulsion, but my skin actually is turning oilier and I've noticed some new pimples! Is this normal?
helikopter1231 do you moisturize properly? A purge is normal with the introduction of retinol. Research it!
Cassandra: "this is all bullshit if you don't take care of your body"
Me: just ordered $30 of TO products, but eating a buffalo chicken and blue cheese salad ... *nervous sweating*
lol, that is so me but figure might as well do one thing in my life right and buy the right products. Something I can more easily control... or like to do
Girl, same
Eating pizza rolls and watching skin care I’m with u on that 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The lettuce cancels out the unhealthness
Very funny! Lol
Some peolle here will never be satisfied. She's a Doctor with a PhD degree, so an MD. PhD, so someone with not only clinical but also research experiences. Since she's not in her clinic giving personal advice, she doesn't have to care about any individual's anecdotal experiences, since that is not what clinical science is about. I think it's awesome that she only recommends products with the highest level of peer-reviewed evidence available; that's the only way to properly recommend something when you are watched by thousands of people. She's also transparent when she likes something purely for how it feels or smells. Make your own decisions and visit your own dermatologists should something bad happen. I think Dr. Dray is far from being perfect, but regarding skincare science, it's a bit ridiculous when people use anecdotes to dimiss her opinions as an expert.
I like Dr Dray but I'm pissed at her promoting the overpriced Neutrogena anti wrinkle cream which includes fragrance, the same ,vit a as the ordinary and they test on animals yet she gives NO honest critique of it. Shes meant to be a vegan I don't get it =(
@@aprioriontoast704 she specifically says to get the fragrance free version of Neutrogena rapid wrinkle repair cream. Dr Dray is consistently anti fragrance from the videos I've watched.
@@linda.harwood Oh my mistake , I didn't know there was two! I still wish she wouldn't promote brands that test on animals =(
@@aprioriontoast704 wait, why wouldn't she ? She doesn't have to adhere to your principles just because you want to. If you wan't cruelty free brands, search for them sonewhere instead of bashing a dermatologist on youtube based on your half assed information. 🙄
@@punamgupta8851 They aren't just my principles they are moral principles everyone should be concerned about because they harm others you shouldn't abuse and exploit animals for vanity and she said she was vegan so this should concern her more. Moral relativism is not a good look if everyone pick and choosed what immoral actions where moral to them when it was more convenient the world be a worse off place , that's how slavery existed "my principles, ME,ME,ME never mind others who are harmed by actions never mind rabbits and rats injected with chemicals in their eyes then painfully gassed when they are half dead, never mind being a better person and reducing needless suffering on those at the mercy of powerful oppressors. pfffffft what about me getting to buy a more expensive product with the same ingredients over a cheaper product with the same ingredients that is cruelty free " Get over yourself ,your actions harm others so *you* have to take responsibility out of rational moral implications everyone should be held accountable for the supply and demand of cruelty esp someone who claims to be vegan.
I am sorry but the ordinary claims this retinol is practically tretinoin but without the peeling and bla bla. The claims are INSANE, I'm not saying it doesn't work but they need to be more sober about what they claim
*GRANACTIVE RETINOID.
Those baseless claims are about the granactive retinoids. Retinol actually has a lot of scientific evidence behind it.
Maybe they're too enthusiastic about the granactive, but nowhere is claimed that they are tretinoin..
MyLoVeLyMaN she said that they claim that it is LIKE Tretinoin.
@@velle2924 never I have seen a claim like this on deciem website.
I have never come across such a claim, or even anything similar, on their website or any other official source. Rather they claim it is better than other non-prescription forms of retinoid - "HPR is a highly-advanced form of retinoid which is, in fact, a non-prescription ester of all-trans direct retinoic acid that offers a multi-fold better effect against signs of aging than retinol, retinyl palmitate and nearly all other forms of non-prescription retinoid"
Estee Lauder is like the plague of decent cosmetics. They find the decent brands, they buy them and they corrupt them ☠️
omg so true
they bought the ordinary lol
@@kellly4982 i hope they don't mess with the formular. I have noticed prices going up :(
It is not only them is all companies going after our money, it is even on food products
If I could like this video a million times I would! Such a HEALTHY and PRODUCTIVE way to have a difference of opinion! This is what we need to see more of! You can still love someone and validate someone and not agree with everything they say and do. It’s what makes us better as a whole to be able to talk about it and grow! Well done!!!
I always assumed The Ordinary retinols are good for beginners and get used to using retinols. Nothing close to Rx retinol. But isn't that the point? So beginners can explore retinol without committing to the irritation of Retin A first?
Yes. RETINOL.
Dr Dray criticized the unfounded claims for the GRANACTIVE RETINOIDS.
Apollo Mercier I know that, but it's better to have used a 1% retinol before tret than nothing at all. At the very least you learn to take care of your skin while it's sensitized, dry and peeling.
@@marcia6010 she didn't address the retinol with squalene alone. She makes them seem ineffective, as same as gha.
i don't think she took a dump on the product itself but on the claims it makes
I mentioned this on her video and will repeat it here - while I like Dr Dray one thing that annoys me is her stance on evidence. I totally agree it is important to have evidence for efficacy claims. But she tends to equate a lack of evidence with a lack of efficacy, which does not have to be the case. She had people in the comments questioning their own use of the granactive retinoid - one person even commented that they thought they should stop using it, even though it was the only product that had cleared their acne and was providing a lot of benefits. We had to assure her that she had evidence - her own experience was evidence. Of course, anecdotal evidence is not going to fly for the whole community, but if a product is working for you then a lack of scientific evidence is really not that big a deal. Dr Dray also flip flops a lot - one video she claimed the Ordinary NMF was not good because it didn't contain ceramides (rather, it contains what they call 'ceramide precursors' which is a blend of amino acids). A few months later she said she really liked it. I asked her about the change of opinion and she stated that she had read evidence showing that topically applied amino acids actually does have a lot of benefits. I think people need to realise that she is a dermatologist, not a cosmetic scientist or formulator. She deals with people who have problems with their skin, so of course she is going to be more focussed on medical treatments. On the other hand, a cosmetic scientist is going to be more innovative and experimental, and the reputable ones will do efficacy tests - in fact big companies like Estee Lauder or Loreal are going to want to know if a new ingredient or formulation is going to work so they will test. Of course they will be very selective with providing evidence for the products they bring to market but that is just good marketing sense
Craig Smith Well she's a dermatologists and has been studying for 12 years and still learning. She also mentions things with evidence.
I don't really agree with this statement... Essential oils were used heavily for a long time (and still are!) and resulted in problems with people's skin long-term. Many companies touted their effectiveness in giving a fresher feeling and exfoliation, which they do, but at a cost. Without the scientific literature to back up the overall positive claims, you end up with a product that can ruin your skin. A lot of people continually use these products and don't know that they are bad for your skin (I didn't in the beginning that's for sure). While this is an extreme example, and the granactive isn't something that is dangerous (most likely), scientific evidence is important when making claims. And TO is simply not delivering this. She did not tell people to stop using the product, just that the whole granactive part is baseless and that the important ingredient is the undisclosed percentage of encapsulated retinol.
Agreed. Well said
Craig Smith thank you.
Couldn't agree less. Lot of products recommended by Dr Dray has burned my skin, doesn't mean they are bad. It's just they are not meant for my skin. As far as Granactive emulsion is concerned for me it has done wonders. I did start with tretnoin but not using it anymore since it causes mouth sores.
I was prescribed most of those things Dray suggested and it all tore my skin up so bad! It burned so bad and was so dry and just hurt. I'm 40 and just recently found the Ordinary through your channel and guess what? It has been THE ONLY THING TO WORK FOR MY SKIN!!! My acne is rapidly clearing up and my skin has never felt so soft and smooth! I've spent thousands on skincare before finding the Ordinary and I now swear by it.
What have you been using?
@@britnysnyder4991 so far the Niacinamide 10% Zinc 1% and just got the
AHA 30% BHA 2% and I cannot beleive the change in my skin. I have never saw results overnight before this. I'm not saying it cleared overnight but it absolutely improved and keeps improving. I also got the Squalen cleanser but I dont care for it and realized Kassandra doesnt either (after I bought it lol) I do like Murads salicylic acid cleanser though.
@@redvorchannel you bought stuff Dr Dray recommended for acne and it made it worse? That sucks! seems like using just niacinamide has already worked for you!
@@anthecrawford3957 yes but I didn't try it because she recommended it. It was before I ever watched youtube. Since searching youtube and finding Kassandra I've gone with things she likes and have had great luck so I will continue to listen to her and do my own research as well. Also yes list the niacinamide helped so much but adding that AHA peel really did the trick. My skin is dang near clear now.
redvor channel 1076 that’s crazy! I just started using both the Aha and bha mask with the niacinamide and zinc. I love it so much
I love it when I try to educate myself regarding skincare and seeing people have different opinions so that I don't just learn from one single perspective
It's crazy that actual tretinoin is like 5 bucks in many places around the world. It's insane that a tube runs $200 plus in the US.
ah, love private health insurance!
it's 7 dollars online without a prescription
@@julia-ex7im from where and what percent
@@julia-ex7im dude, from where?
@@kats.5958 reliablerxpharmacy.com it has all the percents, search retino A cream. It's legit, it took me a while to commit and buy it but i bought my first tube in the summer and seems to have started working for me.
I don’t think because tretinoin takes a bit of getting used to is a reason not to use it. It is totally worth it in the end.
Lisa Hayes I agree .
Absolutely. The benefits far outweigh the period of discomfort!
Agreed.
Hi! Cosmetic chemist here working for one of the companies you mentioned! We definitely do extensive clinical studies and stability for products we bring out to market, this to ensure long term efficacy and quality. While this is good marketing, we also pride ourselves in delivering actual results to consumers especially if they're paying prestige prices. Some companies do not take the extra hurdles of testing their products and are quick to bring them to market -so essentially the consumers are the initial test panelists 😅.
Dr. D is simply referring to credible evidence based products that have proven long term benefits vs. products with little to no studies/anecdotal evidence. For products that have no real data published, you will just need to take their claims with a grain of salt.
Just be informed and choose whichever products you are willing to take a leap of faith for :)
My Mom has been using that ordinary retinol for almost 2 years. There's improvement but barely noticeable. She said it feels good on her skin. She's on prescription tretinoin right now. Her skin is amazing.
Erica Angeles Id guess the conversion for some people is lag and they can’t get the benefits of retinol. It also depends on how much retinol is in the products she uses. Many companies don’t disclose the amount of retinol in their products and If it’s too low of a concentration I wouldn’t expect it to do much. Might switch to adapalene if you can’t get tretinoin.
Same
My skin is the clearest it’s ever been with using The Ordinary!! I love it
SAME
Miranda Luu same girl
I just got some products today! After the first use I could already see the texture of my skin was smoother and for the first time in my life...less oily! Can't wait to see what happens.
I’m glad they worked for you. They made my skin worse. Stoped using them and started using Paulas Choice and my skin is looking so much better.
steph gerber I’m glad you found something that works for you!
I like how hyram Cassandra and sooo many other ppl talk abt dr dray and she dosent give a shit like 😂😂😂 it's just so funny she dosent even mention them .....
Avoiding drama is the best thing you can do on social media
so true, Dr Dray is such a mood hahaha
I was just thinking this! I love her so much. I will always trust a board certified dermatologist, especially one who is just trying to educate the general consumer.
Exactly💯💯but that's a good thing avoiding drama
If an individual can get through medical school, get accepted to one of the most competitive residency programs, and learned to bite their tongue when they are pimped/bullied by their attendings for >8 years, click bait video responses from influencers without any medical training probably don’t phase them. (Coming from a provider)
I think Dr Dray would agree with most of your criticisms because she advocates using the best products that you can afford and that your skin can tolerate. If Tretinoin or Adapalene are too irritating for your skin, or are too expensive, or you're in a country where you can't get Adapalene for $9 from your pharmacy (or Amazon), then your best option is a cosmeceutical retinol/retinal, of which The Ordinary makes good-quality ones at a great price point.
I wouldn't buy it from Amazon, there's so many fakes on there.
@@nunpho If you want to be extra safe, Amazon lets you choose to buy directly from the manufacturer (such as Differin, AcneFree, La Roche-Posay, Proactive - reputable companies that have been in business for a long time) or from Amazon directly, skipping any potential fake third party/FBA sellers. However, I think there is nothing to worry about for this particular category of products. I used to be a seller on Amazon, and it take a lot of time and money to get permission to sell in this category. For example, you need to prove that you have been selling enough of these products elsewhere for at least 12 months. Keep in mind I am in no way an expert on these things, just my thoughts
@@sabm6521 I wonder how they get past that. A lot of Amazon sellers are fakes from China. I always check where the parcel is being sent from though just to make sure.
@mpg it usually tells you on the product page who is sending it and from where somewhere below the price. I prefer not to buy skin stuff from Amazon
As someone that can’t afford to go to the dermatologist for special medical grade skincare I am so thankful for brands like the ordinary! Love your videos !
The Ordinary retinoid products are nice for what they are, but they dont compare to tretinoin. I've used both and tret is in a whole other league
As a med student I stand firmly behind her. Anecdotal evidence from people doesn't mean the specific ingredient or in this case, a product, is actually effective or has any observable merit. Especially when that evidence comes from people who also use other products and active ingredients at the same time - it's hard to tell which one makes the difference. There are also variables in diet, stress, hydration etc.. And ofcourse placebo effect holds true for skin as well - sometimes skin "feels" different i.e. more smooth, fresh etc when it's actually not. Lack of clinical trials and research is a problem. It doesn't neccessarily mean the product isn't effective but... You can't say it is. When it comes to science; there are no opinions. Just facts. And the fact is it hasn't yet been proven that these retinols work.
100%. Well said.
Well said
Yes completely agree, hopefully more people can see it this way
If that was the case she would not recommend the four sigmatic cancerogenic products. Her skincare advice comes from a personal perspective Because she hasn’t any training on cosmetic dermatology. You guys need to stop thinking a dermatologist job is to clean and put creams on a face.
@@alejandroburgara5091 Lmao, I'm sorry but lmao. She's an actual dermatologist, her whole career is based on human skin, she has a PhD in medicine too and years of experience, yet you'd rather trust cosmeticians. Alright then, good luck with that.
i love how you were respectful & yet was able to express ur disagreements!❤️
even though you differ in opinion, it's so nice to see how much you respect dr dray.
both of you are my favourite skincare channels, because you actually know about skin and biology, rather than just skincare formulations.
hope you're staying safe and sane. love from australia :)
Period. One of the reasons why I Iove Cassandra and her UA-cam channel is because she’s considerate and understanding. Always aware some people can’t afford certain products, have certain skin conditions etc, so she gives people options and makes shit work for us. We love a queen that cares about her audience!!
I’ve been using the Ordinary’s Retinol 1% for about 4 months now and my skin has finally cleared up its hormonal acne. Nothing has worked so far and I’ve tried dietary ways, exercise, hormones, various skin care products EVERYTHING and it’s the first thing that worked. And not only worked but made my skin prettier than ever. So eeh I’ll just keep to it!
I love love love how you defused this situation. Well done you are my fave
So, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this response video since a lot of the criticisms against Dr Dray's opinion seem to have been taken out of context. Dr Dray is rightfully criticizing TO for the very ridiculous claims the granactive retinol can do. I have always been a fan of TO but without the science to back up "works better", "less irritating" and "more stable" than regular retinol products, it takes away from their credibility. For a company that places such emphasis on science and transparency as a pillar of their brand, it's questionable to see these kind of claims they are making (Estee Lauder behind this?!). While you agree with this, you mention that Dr. Dray is not a fan of the retinol squalane line, which I didn't quite understand. I don't believe she was touting that regular retinol is useless. Word for word, she said in her video (timestamp 6:20) "Now retinol is an ingredient for which we do have a lot of literature to support its use as an anti-aging ingredient, and while it's not as effective as tretinoin, it is definitely a lot less irritating and easier to tolerate." Her point is that the scientific literature is not as robust for these cosmetic ingredients than it is for say, Differin or other vit-a prescriptions. In her video she was not saying to completely avoid using retinol ingredients, just that the science behind them has not been studied as much as prescription medication, ESPECIALLY so for granactive, so use them at your own discretion. In the TO granactive, they also don't disclose the percentage of the encapsulated retinol, which is an excellent point and she states that this is where the money is at in this product. In the end, vit-a is not a simple ingredient that you can just put on. I think that the whole point of her video is that people should be wary of using such a strong ingredient, especially when something new is added into the mix that has 0 scientific backing in the literature. As always, thanks for your videos, I always look forward to hearing from you.
Alex Assimakopoulos Excellent comment, thanks!
So retinol 0.5 % in squalane is still a good choice right ??? Since retinol does have some research backing it up. I just bought it and it is my first retinol and all these opinions are putting me down lol. I dont habe access to any retina products they recommended.
I completely agree with you. Why is everyone mixing retinol and granactive retinoid? Did people not understand Dr. Dray's video? She criticized TO for their baseless claims for the *granactive retinoids*, NOT the retinols. She specifically says retinol has been proven to help with acne and aging, just not as much or as fast as retinal ou retinoic acid.
I love TO. I really do. But even I roll my eyes at their claims for their granactive retinoids ("offers a multi-fold better effect against signs of aging than retinol, retinyl palmitate and nearly all other forms of non-prescription retinoid." -- 7:02), based on virtually NO EVIDENCE. They're supposed to be a science-based company. I expected more transparency.
Sarah Kfan you should be fine! It is a good cheap retinol to see if your skin can benefit for it. If you use it consistently you may find that if you are able to get your hands on a retin-a prescription, you’ll be able to better tolerate it as well. In the meantime, retinol can certainly help you with anti-aging and acne.
Well said! While I do agree that she's coming off a bit strong (that's how she always talk btw) you have to realise that she doesn't really recommend HPR bcs of the lack of data behind it. Also I love TO (I used their Niacinamide serum for almost 3 years now) but what HPR claim is very bold.
I will mostly take what Dr Dray and Paula's List has to say seriously for my skin success.
In India, you can get tretinoin (retinoic acid) without a prescription for CHEAPER than the ordinary 😜
icy storm yes in Mexico too it’s crazy here in the us it is ridiculously expensive
Yes same here in Morocca. Differin costs 6$ and Tretinoin 8$
From where?? And does it work for you??
@@niharikasingh4998 idk about other states but here in haryana, its about Rs. 165 for 15ml of 0.05% tretinoin and yes it completely cleared up my acne. 😁
@@icystorm9968 okay thank you ❤️
You are so respectful of her. Thank you. I love Dr. Dray.
Great response! 2 perspectives, both valid yet neither contradicting. Comes down to opinion and preference. Thank you for an awesome exchange of ideas!! 👏
Honestly, I can see huge improvement in my smile lines and under eye wrinkles after using around half a bottle of the granactive retinoid 2% emulsion. It also prepares me for transitioning to its 0.2% retinol in Squalane as I have experienced zero irritation whatsoever upon the switch. I trust physical results over scientific theories. The number of times I witnessed a huge discrepancy in what a doctor claims and what’s the actual effect/ result is r insane
I used the granactive for a month and no result. Later switched to trifarotene and saw big results. So, what now? You believe in experience not science. Throw every product in the trash. A grown ass man.
Thank you so much. You are a much needed voice of reason. It doesn't matter what you're hearing about online, there is always going to be an opposing view that makes you feel like an idiot. I value your opinion. Thank you.
Cassandra, this video is so, SO well done. This is a master class in critique. Good on you! Thank you so much for your hard work and dedication. Love you!
Thank you for sharing a healthy and educated video with your opinions. I highly enjoy your videos, I'm learning so much! Makes me want to look onto the science of skincare more.
Theres another doctor whose reputation is same as hers. Dr David Lim. He actually encourages most “the ordinary” products. Honestly i would just stick to what is good for my skin.
I love his videos, it’s my go to when it comes to recommendations, but that’s just my opinion.
He also support using face brushes, meanwhile others don’t. This is all confusing and further proof that doctors in all kind of field are not thought the same.
I agree that each person should use what works best on their own skin. The products I use are backed up by science. The retinol in squalene has been shown to be effective. To be used only at night, as retinol breaks down with UV rays.
Dearest Cassandra i just love how you stand by your research, experience and belief. As you well mentioned- freedom of speech platform. And as with everything in life, we have the choice in our own hands. 😻
That granactive made so much into my skin. It help with my hormonal acne and scars as well. It goes well with the niacinamide of The Ordinary
Which one did you get to treat hormonal acne? :)
Manon Ferrari the one in granactive emulsion 2% it's hard to find stock of that nowadays i can't restock
Do you put the niacinamide first?
I had acne problems since I was 12(now 23 years old), and I have tried so many products and I was to many doctors, and no results.
Until the month of february this year, when the first time I began to use retinol 1% and niacinamide from the ordinary. My face was already full of pimples and comedons, but in the first month, I began to have more, and after one more month, my face started to clean of acne, and now I have just red marks, and I cant believe that from all the treatments that I have tried, this was THE GOOD ONE. I was losting all my hopes.
Now I am going to start the AHA and BHA for marks. If it is someone who is going through this, just keep trying, dont give up and be patient. Thanks for reading this, and sorry for my english.
Your English is great!
I have the exact same problem. I had acne for 11 years and also started using retinol 1% and niacinamide.
Does the AHA BHA work well for you?
I have acne scarring and red marks too.
Your English is better than many English speakers lol. I’m glad you’re finding stuff that’s working for you!!
This is said so well Cassandra ❤️ I work for Deciem and I don't absolutely 100% believe in everything they produce but everything has its place in beauty and the skincare world. I also love Dr. Dray, much of what I've learned is from here, but I do believe in the retinoids from the ordinary - I've had so many customers achieve incredible results from them and a holistic approach
I've often wondered about the % thing - do we 'need' to immediately jump to prescription strength or are the lower strength a better option to incorporate into our day to day routine. At 10$ a bottle the ordinary is pretty much within everyone's budget, it's easy to use and seems to be easily tolerated to most peoples skin. Her message could easily stop people with a limited budget from even trying them which is unfair.
Was waiting for this girl! Thanks for your take and advice on it ❤️xoxo
I love that you are so respectful 😊
The thing about dr Dray and lots of skin care you tubers is they are narrow minded in only considering what’s available in their country. In the U.K. we can’t buy any of those Tret prescriptions you can only get Treclin on prescription and a GP would likely only prescribe for moderate acne minimum. Buying the ordinary retinol is the only option for some on a budge and better then getting something claiming to be tret from eBay
Same here in Bosnia, I can't get to Tretinoin. As I read in comments, that's common in most of Europe. So yeah, I have to rely on cosmetic industry for any kind of retinol.
I had severe acne for years and they didn't prescribe it (uk) so no idea how anyone get it and have no idea of other options
@@laurenminton6133 same. I've been prescribed other medications but nothing like that.
It’s not difficult to get tretinoin online in the UK
@@debrucey legit stuff from a legit site or tampered with stuff off sites like eBay and Amazon?
Thank you!! Penn Smith told me that the granactive was great so then when Dr.Dray said otherwise I was really confused. I hope that your poor eyelashes are doing ok. Are you going to try anything to help them grow or just let them be? 💗
I used to follow Dr. Dray and then she made a partnership with the new Function of Beauty haircare brand. I was intrigued by their ‘we make your own personalized formula for your hair’ so I took their survey to create my own customized shampoo and conditioner. Low and behold when I got to the checkout, the company does not give you an ingredients list on the product and the shampoo was €30. How on earth can you sell a “customized” product for a whopping €30 with no ingredients to prove to them how this product will work?? I commented on Dr. Dray’s video to let her know this, and she blatantly responded with “yes they do give you an ingredients list”. (Which I confirmed they dont, you can only see the ingredients once you have the product physically). Unsubbed immediately, that is NOT transparency.
you are right i have been put off by some of her stuff for a while. She always seemed to throw shade on expensive products, showy products, on collabs and basically people not being genuine. But then she also started going commercial pretty much like any other UA-camr with sponsorships and colabs. now how different is she than the others.
Their products irritated my scalp so badly. I stopped using them. Too much fragrance.
@@Nylorac yes i have heard about that too, was almost going to purchase them even filled out that questionnaire. it does seem a bit disindisingenious that she wouldn't call that out but she does even the slightest of fragrance in the skin care products
I tried function of beauty about 2 years ago, I got mine customized for my oily scalp and fine textured hair. The products made my hair more oily and limp. And there was a lot of fragrance too. I did not repurchase it, and I don’t recommend it.
I thought there was a Fragrance free option when you purchase function of beauty
I’ve been on tretinoin on and off throughout my teenage years and have consistently been using it in my early 20s to help with my hormonal acne and prevent further breakouts. I honestly believe my skin would not be the same without it. Yes it does make you peel like crazy, and it can be annoying. But it takes time to figure out how to combat it, and find good moisturizers to offset some of the dryness. I always make sure to use my CeraVe moisturizing lotion before I put on the tretinoin to prevent my skin from become too dry overnight. I don’t wash my face in the morning so I use Simple micellar cleansing water as a toner to refresh my face and get rid of the dryness from the night before. You just gotta learn how to treat your skins when on it.
I've been using The Ordinary's retinol for years, as well as several of their other formulas. As to the Estee Lauder connection, The Ordinary products were created before EL came into the picture. From what I have read, The Ordinary was so successful that they couldn't keep up with production, so they signed on with EL to be able to produce and fill orders on a much larger scale. I have not noticed any differences in quality since the partnership.
Even if you have insurance and access to a dermatologist, prescription tretinoin is usually only covered by insurance if it's prescribed for acne. So if you don't have acne and want to use it to treat wrinkles, most insurers consider this an elective treatment. In other words, if the reason is cosmetic and unnecessary, you're gonna pay out of pocket regardless.
Maya Papaya I got tretinoin through curology. Reasonably priced. But it’s still too soon to form an opinion on the results.
That is only for the US. You can get tret without prescription at any drugstore for $6 in many countries
@@luisab7901 Do you have any more information about this? Like if there are reputable websites or countries that people in the u.s. can buy from. I was going to go with curology, but read some things that scared me.
@@asideofaioli4630 i'm not sure since i'm not from the US but you could try asking on reddit (r/skincareaddiction)
@@luisab7901 good idea. Thanks 😊
I think what's great about Dr. Drays video is the call for products to have more peer reviews and testing behind their claims. Great to see the healthy debate and discussion from your video!
I have been waiting for this video, soo soooo glad you did a video on this. I pretty much listen to everything you and DR dray talk about.
I love Dr. Dray, and The Ordinary has helped me so much. I do use Tretinoin now after chemotherapy caused adult acne, something i never struggled with and although TO products helped my skin so much after chemo, i would still get flare ups, so i am going with prescription, but would not be able to if i didn't have insurance which i only have due to other medical stuff going on. So glad you made this video!
PLEASE GIVE US YOUR VEIWS ON TAKING COLLAGEN IN PILL FORM? I would love to start I’m 31 and have been seeing in everywhere. THANKS MUCH LOVE IN WHAT U DO!
That is something you should consult a doctor not an esthetician
She has done a video on beauty supplements where she mentions it!
To summarise, it’s a compete Russian roulette in what your body actually does to the collagen you intake. So it may work for you occasionally but it’s not going to work wonders
She's already done a video on that. Collagen is broken down by your body and your skin is probably the last to make use of that collagen. Type collagen in her search bar on youtube and you'll find a few.
She is a vegan, she does not believe in collagen supplements. She is mentioning this in one of her videos. She takes vegan proteins instead
Hey Cassandra, do you think that ordinary retinols gentle enough to be used around the eye and the neck?
Thank you for your straightforward approach. It really helps negotiate the skincare minefield!
The Ordinary won’t disclose the % of retinol in the emulsion unfortunately but I will say that interestingly enough - a lot of the limited research on HPR is on HPR and retinol together. So I think the emulsion with both is a safer bet than HPR alone.
Most of the people talking about Retinol and Retinoic Acid, but none of them are talking 'enough' for Retinaldehyde, which is theoretically an ingredient better than Retinol and its also over the counter. And I have heard great reviews for that specific cream that Dr. Dray referred in her video, from Avene for example. What's your opinion? Can you make a video for all the Retinoids including:
Retinoic Acid, Retinaldehyde, Retinol and Retinyl Palmitate, with the differences between them and what targets what?
Thank you❤
I’ve never seen retinaldehyde over the counter. Which companies sell them otc?
@@rust44 From Avène the RetrinAL. Retinaldehyde is actually the Retinal. If you see at a product, in the ingredients list 'Retinal', that means that contains Retinaldehyde.
Medik8 has products with retinaldehyde with different strength, but they’re quite expensive
@@edytamoszczynska True, Medik8 has also products with Retinal👌🏼
But I have to sell my kidney to buy them😅
Some of the more affordable products are Avene RetrinAL ADVANCED Wrinkle Corrector, MyChelle Dermaceuticals Remarkable Retinal Serum and Skin Script Retinaldehyde
I just found your videos searching something for my niece's skin issue and you are awesome. Subscribed.
Wow this was so thorough and informative, thank you!
I hope your eyes are getting better after the eyelashes. My heart went out to you hugs from Ireland. ♥️🇮🇪
Dia Dhuit :)
Here in Malaysia, i got tretinoin .05% cream, benzoyl peroxide gel, azelaic acid cream and cetrimide 1% lotion from my dermatologist for free at the government hospital haha.
may i know the cream name?
The tretinoin .05% cream is called "tretinon" and the azelaic acid cream is from galderma
@@shazwanalif2883 thank you
How did you get it?
I love learning from both of you! Just wondering what you think about replacing my expensive 1.0 retinol with ordinary versus adapalene for anti-aging?
Great video. Thanks for adding information and context in this topic.
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Dr Dray is correct, if we’re in a PERFECT world! Ideally, wouldn’t we all maintain a low stress level, exercise the correct amount, drink the right amount of water every single day, get 7+ hours of sleep every single night and maintain the diet any nutritionist would be proud of! BUUUUUUUT, this is real life! I work 40+ hours/wk, I’m a mom, wife, commute 2hrs/day, 5 days a week, so The Ordinary helps me out where I sometimes fail! 💗
I have just started using the granactive retinoid and my skin seems to love it! I must say that my liquid is yellow, is this normal? I've had this bottle for a while though. Did they change the formula?
Great video. Respectful argument. Love the content!
Great video. I watch Dr. Dray as well and was interested to hear her opinion on TO. I personally still love my retinol 1% although I'm looking into getting a prescription now since my skin has tolerated it so well. I mostly want to speed up the results to clear my acne.
Thanks for sharing your opinion! I'm thinking of trying ordinary soon 😉😊🙏
PS. I don't get why people body shame Dr Dray! As soon as you call someone fat you get told off but calling someone skinny, pale, unhealthy, having eating disorder etc it's ok? 😕 😢
It isn't body shaming as it isn't about appearance. It is about a disorder and how it is being presented as she is an influencer.
@@kendrastrange18 It is cause you're putting a label on someone you don't know. You literally saying she's got a disorder even though there is no way you can know this.
And btw influences aren't perfect. She is allowed to be have body whatever she wants and if she is struggling with sth then she is also allowed to do that. Just like the rest of us
@@ewelinasibilska4742 that isnt a label it is a disorder that she is showing through how she eats.
@@ewelinasibilska4742 it is ok she isnt perfect, no one is mad at her for having a disorder. It is sad! The only thing to be mad about is how she presents it, and how it is such easy pro ana material.
I was so confused! I got this retinoid and works very well for me. Thank you for your video.
You explain things very nicely. I've learned so much watching this
I always viewed The Ordinary Retinols and Retinoids as an entry into the Vit A world. Ideal for someone younger (late 20's to early 30's) who hasn't used Vit A before and is either looking to start tackling aging, or has mild acne. I use it as an an entry to anti-aging. I'm well aware that as I get older I'll need to progress to something stronger, but right now I don't need it and there's no way I would be able to get a percription for any Vit A! I simply don't need one! So for now I'm happy using the under £10 solution The Ordinary provides, and when I'm older I'll look at higher stengths. Thanks for your video!
I agree, but dr Dray was not talking about TO retinols, only about their claims regarding granactive formula for which TO has no scientific proofs.
Well said 🦋
The ordinary does have actual vitamin a, she was just talking about the granactive retinoids. Their other retinol serums are much stronger and they even say on their website that those ones cause far more irritation and to start with the granactives bc theyre milder. Theyre extremely up front about it so I dont see the issue, they're not misleading people
I absolutely LOVE that in this video you included what was omitted in Dr Dray's video - the cruelty-free status and the availability in other countries. Of course, even when you buy cruelty-free cosmetics and you are sick and have medicine prescribed by doctor - you should take it, no doubt about that. But should we really storm the dermatologists' office just because we wanna be a bit less wrinkled when we are older? Because for many people that's the main reason they use retinols regularly and its not a valid reason for using medicine for many. Using skincare for that is not a waste of time, it's just gentler when you do not have something to be treated by a doctor. Also, the access to prescriptions can be really expensive in other countries, not only America, because, surprise, the world outside America exists (youtubers sometimes don't take this into account so I'm very grateful). Great and informative video!
Sometimes i have the feeling some Americans don't even conceive the idea that the world exists beyond the USA xD and that in other places (here in the EU for ex) our health care systems are a lot different, we don't just go and get prescriptions left and right, we are assessed by a health professional who will find the best treatment for us not just go to a doctors office and ask for tretinoin… also even going to a dermatologist, here in the Netherlands you need to see your GP first and get a clearance that you indeed need a specialized practitioner, is not only "i want to" is more 'I Need to'. and in many other countries the system works similar.
truer words have never been spoken, slayyyyy
I like how you reacted and pointed out your thoughts and beliefs with regards to the products that you love. We all have different opinions and skin. Thank you for making these contents, we’re all learning from watching your videos!
I like some of the ordinary products, they’re affordable and straightforward. I also have the 1% Retinol in squalane but I stopped using it. It has sensitised my skin so much and I don’t know what to do with it anymore. I’m now using PA retinol, and so far no irritation. Any suggestions how I could use up the TO retinol? Can we use it in our body?
Omg.... my wish just came true. I had been waiting for this video 💞
I personally love the ordinary 2% retinoid emulsion. It makes my skin look so good!
As a person who currently has no insurance and would struggle financially with going to see one, I always look for alternatives that I can purchase without a prescription. I started watching Dr. Dray’s videos AFTER I had started hearing a lot about The Ordinary. I saw so many people say that had good results and certain products were heavily recommended. I watch Dr.Dray’s videos about The Ordinary and then felt discouraged to use it, but I still purchased a few of their products and I see a change in my skin and will continue to purchase from The Ordinary. I’m so happy they are such an affordable brand.
I really don’t understand why seeing a derm is so expensive in the US. It literally costs €20 where I come from and it’s a private clinic with doctors who were trained abroad...
Simona Tasevska gurl, I don’t know where you live but I live in Italy, and I paid 100€ a dermatologist from a private clinic...that’s a lot...
@@denisavoinescu7961 I live in Malta! Come here, everyone speaks Italian here anyways :) Seeing a derm in a private clinic costs 35 euros here in Malta. In Macedonia (where I originally come from) it costs 20.
@@simone2316 hahah don't say it twice
Simona Tasevska it can cost hundreds of dollars just to go in and SEE a derm let alone pay for a prescription. american healthcare is a disaster.
Great video!!!! So informative. Thank u for this ❤❤❤❤ also p.s please drop out a video on bodycare! 😥❤
Hey 👋🏼 just wondering, is it normal to see or produce more oils on skin when the ordinary serums are being applied? (like Hyaluronic Acid and Niacinamide Zinc) And is it normal to see purging of skin at your first new regimen?
I don’t know how to say what I want to say without it coming across a certain way, but I just don’t understand the point of this video. It’s just a serum. People are gonna feel a different way about skincare than others, I’m also interested in the ordinary retinol products but I think a ton of what dr. Dray says does make sense. And whether we like it or not, it is better that a product has consistent and many studies shown on it before you can be 100% sure. I don’t know whyyyy people are starting to not take a doctor seriously in the comments these days. I’m seeing so many people invalidate a doctors suggestion specifically a dermatologists because it isn’t what they want to hear and they’re not “cosmetic” dermatologists do cosmetic work too. It’s this strange Dunning-Kruger affect. This whole “it doesn’t need a lot of studies to be good” thing is making me just put my forehead in my palm because yes it does matter lol. It actually matters a lot.
Also this whole “I love Dr. Dray, BUT...” situation cracks me up because I see very few people criticizing things about her that matters. Her appearance and her voice aren’t things that matter. Her practice and her points are what we should be talking about.
Well if you think about it, if something is effective it's effective regardless of if the literature states it or not I think is the point people are making. Also, this is something I've noticed with the medical dogma nowadays, many people seem to believe having M.D. after your name means you are somehow beyond criticism and you're never incorrect. It reminds me of how people viewed priests in the middle ages. At the end of the day doctors are just people too, and in the field of science things are always changing and being discovered so what is considered ineffective today may be a holy grail ingredient tomorrow. Anyway, that's just my 2 cents.
Jamie L I’m not saying that being an MD makes anybody a god, but I respect my health officials. And we crap on UA-cam Dermatologists before these Skinfluencers. I don’t think so, couldn’t be me. I love those others as much as anybody, I love anybody with a passion for skincare. But come on.
Absolutely agree. Thank you for exerting some common sense here.
Thank you!! My thoughts exactly.
Well when her voice is literally impossible for me to listen to it's not possible to focus on anything else. I find myself not hearing a word she says because she bores me to death. Maybe I have add or something idk but she cannot keep my attention no matter how hard I try.
I mean, I love the ordinary. sometimes i clean my room, apply some of their* products and pretend* all my problems are solved
Lol. Same.
Pretty good explaint! 👍 And really good to keep track off & listen to, with all visuals and back infos. THANKS A LOT! 🥰🥰😗
Hi, i love your videos and really enjoy watching them as they are very informative and educational. Would you recommend any of the ordinary products for stretch marks?
I've had bad skin all my life and discovering the ordinary a couple of months ago really saved my skin.
Its the only product line that made a difference on my problem skin and at the price point its in, I can keep regularly using it with no problems. Say what you want but I absolutely love the ordinary and no one can make me see otherwise.
Ive had acne since I was 21...that being said, I have literally tried EVERYTHING. I have to say prescription retin-A's have helped but its was really painful. It stung like hell and it dried me out like crazy. Over the years I have tried soo many products to see what works for my skin. Alot of them failed but with the ordinary granactive retinoid 2% emulsion is an amazing product. It effective yet gentle on the skin. I would recommend this everyone who suffers from acne.
As an esthetician I love your videos! I love the second opinion and the science behind what you say! Thank you for bringing good quality advice to the internet :) I was wondering if you could do a video some time on skin script rx? It's a professional brand for estheticians and it's my absolute favorite
Hey Cassandra :) I LOVE you channel ❤️
I have few questions please 🙏 :
1. I'm 30, and I tried last week the Drunk Elephant Retinol. In their website they recommend to mix it together with their B hydra serum and the Protini polypeptide cream
but as far as I know, people recommend is to use moisturizer BEFORE, wait and let it absorb, and AFTER that to use Retinol... so I'm a little bit confused 🤔 What do you think?
2. I live in Israel, so in the summer, the sun here... really SHINE
. should I use Retinol in the summer too?
3. I want to start to use Retinol under my eyes too. (something that designed for the eyes of course) Do you recommend that? if so, do you have some products to recommend?
(I'm thinking about La Roche-Posay Redermic R Eyes Retinol Eye Cream or Glow Recipe Avocado Melt Retinol Eye Sleeping Mask... not sure)
4. Do you use a sunscreen that designed specifically for the eye area?
TO granactive retinoid 2% emulsion gave me the WORST breakout of my life, took so long to clear up. I love retinol and have been using them for years and never had this type of reaction...this experience has kept me from really diving into TO line. Love Differin, Sunday Riley and La Roche Posay retinols
I literally can't use 98% of creams / gels available otc or prescription due to coconut allergy. The ordinary has let me finally put some treatment into my skincare as the ingredients are so minimal.
Love love love your content ❤️thank you so much for sharing so much valuable information with us. I have a request please consider making a video on Photo Allergy skin care.
Hi! Just want to say I LOVE you channel. I have started to experiment with the Ordinary because of you! I am currently just using The Granactive Retinoid 2% in Squalene because I actually follow with the Squalene oil from the Ordinary after and I find it just sits so much better on my skin. I have been struggling for probably the past 2 years with really small acne bumps, scars, pigmentation, and DRYNESS. I have two questions. I struggle with this not only on my face but on my back, chest, and shoulders as well. I use both Ordinary products on there as well and finish off with a light layer of CeraVe moisturizer after. Can I still use the AHA 30% + BHA 2% Peeling Solution once a week? Also I only shower/ wash my face once a day. Should I be washing my wash in the morning with lukewarm water and then applying just the Squalene oil & CeraVe moisturizer?
ALSO, could you please please please do any update on your diet!!! THANK YOU