I liked the ending. The post credit scene basically let's you think that either Clive or Joshua survived. We only saw Clive's bad hand being damaged and we didn't see him die for sure. And we also saw him heal Joshua's body before. The story the kids were playing was the one Clive liked and acted with his uncle and one of the side missions allowed Clive to get a quill from Harpocrates to write his story. So I believe Clive survived and to honor his brother used his name to write his story. Not the first time he took someone's name.
But on the other hand you see that Clive attempted to revive Joshua and it seemingly worked since his body healed, while Clive laid weak despite the petrification, closing his eyes after implying he did die from the toll Ultima's power put on him, which is consistent with the story telling us the body would be expended from it. Following that the star dying and Jill's heartbreak, Torgal doing a mournful howl with her. Then the author of the book likely being from a revived Joshua chronicling the events of the game and Clive's adventure from his perspective, something Clive would've done had he been the one to return, indirectly passing that responsibility to Joshua, Harpocrates suggesting Clive would've wanted it.
Joshua is gone man. If healing was the only thing standing in the way from him dying, then how come it was not done before when he was sick and coughing badly?
@@TheGravityShifter good point. But his reaction would have been different if that healing would’ve have revived him. He healed the body’s wounds, but Joshua was already gone.
It’s ok I was the same way too how are they just going to kill off Clive like that why square enix and I cried even more when Jill felt he was gone and torgal seeing the Star fade and gav saying that’s what cid wanted that’s what they both wanted god I cried at that part 😭😭 this is such a sad ending
This ending fucked me up SOOOO BAD. I was in hysterics for over an hour. I just shut down completely. Those ending scenes with Joshua just butchered me. Talk about a cheap shot. That was deliberately below the belt with steel-toe boots. What really got me though is that his mother was included in the one scene when he could have easily just removed her from his memories, but after everything that twat did he still put her there. Clive was easily one of the best protagonist in the entire series. I was the same way with Dion, too lol I was screaming at the tv like "WHAT ABOUT TERENCE?!?! DO YOU NOT LOVE HIM???!!!! YOU HAVE TERENCE TO LIVE FOR!!!" lol This game just tore me apart. The after credits scene though made all that pain and all that suffering worthwhile. At least it didn't end for nothing. They did the right thing. Which naturally made me cry even harder lol
Same 😭 and what makes Joshua's death even more tragic is not just the fact that he was an awesome character (and one of my favorites) but also the fact that after everything Clive went through to keep his lil bro safe, there was nothing he could do at that moment. It made me bawl for days. And Dion is best boi, I'll miss them all so much 😭
Ah, but that's the way of Final Fantasy games. The ending is bittersweet. The heroes win. It doesn't mean they survive. Reminds me of a saying: "when a tyrant dies his reign ends; when a martyr dies his reign begins."
Dion’s voice actor explained that he didn’t think to be worthy of Terence’s love in this point.. and he wanted to protect him, because he knew Terence would have suffered in witnessing Dion’s suicidal atonement without being able to stop him… heartbreaking 💔
The ending is done beautifully, I love it for that. But It also made me extremely mad after 40+ hours I put so much time and energy into the game and we don’t even get closure, no pay off for a lot of things. I’m usually okay with open ended conclusions, but this one is just😭
@@thefinalfighter2578 i understand the frustration but appreciate the vagueness of the ending because in my head cannon clive survived because the magic stopped and he wrote the book at the end using joshua's name and that made me happy. and everyone else has different interpretations of the ending and its the first time since i was younger that i used my imagination for an ending which sometimes i hate vague endings but in this case i really enjoyed being able to come up with my own ending and no ones interpretation being wrong necessarily
Man I cried too. Took an hour to finally get over it for the most part. I was already sad with Clive gone, but when Jill started crying my heart broke. I finished the game yesterday and I don't think I'll be playing NG+ anytime soon, the wounds will be fresh for quite a while.
I think you need to complete the side quest for Hypocretase guy, the old guy. Then you will get a collectable item for the wall of memory, a quill. He will tell Clive that “once this fight is over, Clive should consider putting the sword down and perhaps pick up a quill (pen)” … to write a book. So with that post credit scene, showed us that that story book was written by Clive in memory of his brother, Joshua.
I would go back an do the sidequests at the hideout before the final quest, they give some good insight into the ending and are probably some of the best side quests in the game! Grats on finishing!
I could see why those ones weren't though, at least for when they're presented. The game has a really good formula for pacing where after every Eikon fight you have a small scale fetch quest to help you decompress. But since we're at the final stages of the game it would feel very jarring to go from the first Ultima battle to a series of "side content". I think it would make more sense to have those particular quests appear before the Brotherhood mission
I totally agree, the final moments in such games is best when it’s not broken up. I didn’t want to say goodbye to them just yet, I hope Yoshi hears us begging for more!
what a game man. i dont think i've loved ff characters this much. and the music is just transcendent, one of the best OSTs i've ever heard. and the combat is amazing especially on ng+ when you master everything. it's not as deep as dmc but it's really goddamn satisfying especially when you start air juggling and getting perfect sics and finding all the crazy ways you can extend combos.
Meanwhile, me laugh-crying over the fact *PRESUMABLY*: Terence, Jill, and Jote lived while Dion, Clive, and Joshua died lmfao, ff why you gotta crush every single heart like it's an achievement
If Terence and the medicine girl were waiting for Dion in Crystalline Dominion (which is the last place we saw her) they died instantly when the whole city vanished in the process of creating the Origin.
I was already crying a lot when poor Torgal opened the flooding gates. I also have a baby brother that I love so much and lives very far from where I am, so this game hit me real hard. A masterpiece 10/10
Guys I’ve never cried like this ever during any movie or game before. Game isn’t perfect but the storytelling is. 100% the best FF story since like FF10.
Between the music, the story, and the sacrifices made, this game has made me cry more than I’ve ever cried for any video game ever. Especially the boy and dog scenes per that side quest
the sad part abt the sidequests at the end is that I was too burnt out to do them on ng, and then when I did them on ng+ they were the best ones in the game, and they had directed cutscenes in them too
Oh dear, I thought I had given all the tears I had to give to that game and here I am, tearing up again 😭 And that despite thinking Clive didn’t die and will get back 😅
I really recommend you go back and do at least the sidequests that appeared, they are important for character development and "enriches" the end of the game by a lot, and some of them will unlock the last hunts if I'm not mistaken, locked areas are linked to specific sidequest. and if the end broke, some of this late game sidequest ll do the same, especially Jills last sidequest.
The quote that most sticks with me during the end game side quests is: "Truth" is dependent on mass belief, this also means that the "Truth" is not immutable and may be changed. Vivian is the one who states this regarding Valisthaen history and I think it was a hidden message from the developers that if the community see it fit that Clive lives then so be it. In essence it means that Clive is not uncategorically dead and that's enough for me.
Finally decided to look up "Logos" to see if I could find another definition to help that part make a little more sense to me, because I knew that "logo" is latin for word, as in logophile (which describes me) So this is interesting, "logos," in theology, means "the word of God," the divine reason and creative order, and the second person (Jesus) in the Holy Trinity. Also, Carl Jung uses the term to describe the principle of reason and judgement in regards to animus, the male part of the psyche. This make sense to me, as Clive, and humanity in general, develop their own wills and self actualize. It's also cool to me that Clive has, in a sense, attained divine enlightenment as opposed to that of "God," Ultima. I so love these thematic reversals, where "God" in this is more akin to a devil, and the Jesus-like figure promotes faith in oneself rather than faith in a God (and is an outlaw to boot)
People screaming at Dion to use Zettaflare forgetting the man primed after Clive absorbed his eikon powers and still managed to stand up to Ultima. Jill doesn't prime precisely because that would mean she could very well lose everything she has left.
Yep. Dion went into this fight ready to die if he lost control again, and Clive wouldn't let Jill take that risk. Plus, it's implied earlier that Jill is already in the early stages of the Curse, so if she pushed herself too hard, she'd die.
Spoilers, but - 1:27:59 - Square Enix dangles hope in your face. 1:28:13 - Square Enix slaps you for hoping. 1:37:39 - Square Enix is gloating over the fact - They gave you the feeling they hoped for 2:07:38 - Square Enix apologizes for hurting you so badly you need a moment to collect yourself before trying NG+ On your final thoughts - •They should definitely allow switching Eikons in fights. The only reason I think they didn't is because you could rotate-spam your abilities. They could allow it for the normal abilities, and put a one-time popup when you do it that says like "Eikon abilities take time to blah blah when switched", and put bigger abilities for the new eikon (Gigaflare, diamond dust, etc) on cooldown when swapped. I wouldn't even mind if they made ALL newly swapped in abilities go on cooldown when swapped. •Motion blur got patched I think. It's got a slider now. Also, definitely start your NG+ with the best items from the first playthrough, though they will be obsolete pretty quickly.
Dude, really loved your playthrough! And I especially loved how you loved the game, being a DMC guy (this coming from FF nerd). I also loved the hell out of this game, and even more so I love the fact that after a series of failures FF is going strong again (the last good FF before 16 was 12). Oh, and 7 remake is also good. Also loved your DMC references that I had no idea of before (and you have no idea, just how many references are in this game to previous FF installments ;)
Jill couldn't go because her power was spent. That's why she was so weak during the game as Shiva. While all the other dominants used their powers sparingly, Jill was forced to use hers regularly. She would've gotten destroyed by Ultima from the start, her body was failing from the curse aswell. Thorgal would've Also been collateral since his powers (as great as they was) would never have matched up to Ultimas. He's a good doggo but he's arguably even weaker than Jill. Lastly, I don't think Clive wanted her involved anyway. She bore the brunt of the "burdens" in the early-mid game until Clive finally tamed Ifrit. This is his way of asking her to live and let him "do his duty" I think. Besides, Ultima would've targeted Jill straight away, she was what saved Clive to begin with when all hope was lost and became his reason to fight before he found out Josh was alive and their bond only grew stronger. Ultima would've relished killing her.
i'm petty sure that Clive made it it's in his name "C=see LIVE" 🤣 but seriously joking aside the end is open to interpretation... all we see that Clive hand start to turn to stone also the same with Jill so both of them don't have much time left to live.. if you paid attention to the ending Jill crying all night then sunrise she stopped and smiled then black screen and Clive says : "tus our Journey end", remind me of Clive and Jill in the flower scene "no matter how dark the night dawn will come and that you will come for me Clive" and near the end "i will come back, i promise, i love you". the game theme song is about Jill wish "Clive returning to her", also the book in the post credit by "joshua rosfield" at first you think that joshua made it but i can say it could be that Clive wrote it and used Joshua name to honour his memory there is a quest with Hippocrates where Clive say : "i may start writing after the sword".., also maybe Clive and Jill had a son and named him Joshua and he who wrote the book about his father... the end
I applause you! Thank you for making the pain a little less and giving hope! I think that after my heart shattered like the mothercrystal's did several times, reading through the comments and specifically through yours, some pieces of my broken heart were put together again! Thanks!!!This game is an absolutely Masterpiece in complete!
@@DrJayGreen it's just too sad to think that Clive died - Jill remain alone - Joshua lived... if the writers set from the start that the main character will die at the end then why the writers choose to make Clive wait before the end to say to Jill "i will come back, i promise "after that "i love you", just to let him break his promise to Jill..., you would think that the writers will give them the time to spend together as a couple, base on after the second time skip nothing happened between Clive and Jill untll after the second fight with barnabas... so if the writers meant for Clive to die at the end of the game they would have chosen a different way to approach his relationship with Jill during the game...
@@AB-cr1cu This was exactly my thoughts and why it broke me so bad! It was so obvious from the very beginning how much they really liked each other. And then there was so many moments that I jumped out of my chair because there was this obvious moments of closeness and love and they didn't let them! And just towards the end he gets to reunite with Joshua and get close to Jill! And like you said, Clive breaking all his promises and dying alone at the beach and Jill staying alone. This is the saddest end ever! And like you said, I also thought that everything in the storyline was being built towards a time together. In storytelling there is something called "planting and harvesting" and it's used in movies, on stage and games. And my interpretation now is that there is a potential for more. So at first I was totally shocked but the more I thought about it the less it made sense to end like that. And yes, on the date she said that after the dawn the sun comes back, that he will come back to her and her reaction, first breaking down and then the sun rises and she remembers. Of course they could also have chosen to just let us experience pain and loss (not that it didn't hapen all the time in the game) but I hope not! Fingers crossed for a continuing of this story!
About the book clive wrote it, there will be a side quest that clive got a pen and said that at the end of the war he will put down his sword and write a book. beach scene between jill and clive know only 2 people, the sunrise scene at the end, if you play jill's side quest, you will get the answer that when the sun rises, clive will always come back in line with the sentence of the song " tsuki wo miteita" and jill smiles. when the sun rises
I read an interesting theory about the ending. Basically Clive lives but is waking up at the beach of a foreign continent. He suffers from Amnesia and doesn't remember his past life or actions. Meanwhile we take control of Jill who hears of some new threat. During the story she gets to this new continent and finds Clive and helps him bring back his memory. Meanwhile the defeat of Ultima released another very powerful godlike being who was trapped on Metia by the Fallen as it was deemed too dangerous and too powerful for Ultima to defeat. The second game ends with Clive, Jill and others fighting against said being.
I believe Cluve survived and wrote a book named "Final Fantasy" taking inspiration of his dialogues in his fight against ultima " the only FANNTASY here is yours, and you shall be it's FINAL witness" and wrote Joshua as the author.
The game is written from Clive's perspective, but clearly still by Joshua. Clive writing a flattering book about himself is borderline character assassination. Joshua was always the one compared to Moss the Chronicler, shown to document his journey, and even has a way with words that Clive doesn't. Harpocrates gave him the quill because he figured Clive had many experiences worth writing about, but Clive himself never shows the inclination. Clive died. Its not only what the game literally portrays at face value, but its WAY more narratively satisfying. For Clive to just... get up after that whole scene with him on the beach just completely negates the effectiveness of the scene and ending as a whole. Joshua only survived because Clive used Ultima's power on him in time. Before Clive sacrifices himself to create a new world, he takes a single "selfish" action in using that power to Raise Joshua.
@@TuskyBaby you don’t have enough evidence to truly back up your claims due to the ambiguous and contradictory nature of the ending. Nothing about the story was flattering. Your first point is subjective. I can find a path where someone as educated and well trained in verse and theatrical presentation is able to write eloquently. His response to receiving the quill, is maybe I will. I’m not advocating that Clive just “got up.” There is not enough lore about Metia to suggest what the fading actually means. We also saw Clive partially gray, when death consumes the whole. Last, saving Joshua “in time?” Really? Were we playing the same game? Boy had a hole in chest where we presume the heart is and he literally drew his last breath. We also established time and again, that NO magic (even the combined might of Ultima) can raise the dead. It can also be seen as Clive attempting and failing to raise his brother, but also making him “whole” to take in his beauty and love (loved ones not wanting to see the dead maimed, but rather see them as they remembered them in life - like what we do at open casket funerals). And there is no “new world creation.” It is a world devoid of magic that, as stated could take decades to centuries to recover from the damage. Ironically, we also know only of the effects of this calamity on one continent. At the end of the day, the story was ended with people being able to choose the ending that seems right to them after experiencing it. I’m merely pointing out that it is exceptionally rare, and nonsensical when used, for a narrator to outlive themself in the story they are telling. Also, Joshua could be a descendent of Clive or someone with their namesake. Not enough info is known. Whereas, as an example, we get an omnipotent view in Cowboy Bebop, where the lore established early on indicates that the star fading equates to Spike’s death. We can also suggest that this is a story within a story where magic actually never existed and it was a made up fantasy by a guy name Joshua Rosfield (having no actual relation to the Joshua we see in the game).
I mean, your only "concrete evidense" is still fairly subjective. You're calling Clive's 2 post-mortem narrations "exceptionally rare" and "nonsensical" rather than engaging with the idea that its just a creative choice. The game is told from his perspective, so it makes sense to have him narrate at the beginning. It then also makes sense to keep that consistent for the 1 other time it comes up. I misspoke with the "new world" comment, but Clive still currently has the power to make that. Also, the only comments made about bringing someone back from the dead are related to the Phoenix's power, not Ultima's. There's nothing saying Ultima, the literal creator of humanity, can't do it. Genuinely, if you can point to where the game contradicts what I'm saying I'd be very interested in reading it. Also also, Joshua is never confirmed dead in that moment. He's bleeding out and passes out, but FF7 Remake literally has characters still live after these sorts of "death" scenes. We have no real idea of how much time passes from when Joshua passes out to when Clive heals up his body. Tarja wasn't exactly there to declare him dead. If you want to get even more into the weeds with this, Joshua is shown to essentially revive Clive IN THIS VIDEO. Its right after Dion sacrifices himself. Clive isn't breathing, and he's been in that condition for at least a couple minutes. Joshua just uses a bit of Phoenix magic and boom, he's up again shortly after. This also wouldn't be the first time Joshua, the Phoenix, rose from the dead. Just saying, the game AND company have set a certain precedent. Tbh the final theory you mentioned about it all being just a story is preferable (imo) to Clive still surviving in the end. It probably makes the most sense of all this, because there are still so many bits of info that anyone could use to argue either side. The boss fights in particular seem like something right out of the imagination of a child (I mean this in the best way), so combine that with the older and younger brothers' hair colors matching up with Clive and Joshua's, and I think its very reasonable to assume the whole game is from their imagination. Setting that possibility aside though, I will always maintain Clive sacrificing himself to remove magic and save his brother in the process, thus ensuring he did his duty until the end, makes for a more narratively satisfying conclusion than Clive surviving that whole ordeal. His death flags are pretty blaring, and only seem to be obscurred by how bright and overwhelming Dion's are. 🤣
@@TuskyBaby Dion survived the fall damage (because if Joshua can, so can Dion). Joshua and Clive die. Also an option. It’s a creative choice that is also lazy and uninteresting - if the dead speak, then Clive is undead. Again, everything you or I say is pointless because there isn’t enough information to prove either until we get DLC (if we get it, and if it continues versus a prequel). I’m not saying you’re wrong. But I’m also saying no one is right. If we really want to bring in past narratives, then technically everyone died in FF13 too. Lmfao But the last I’ll say, is they were definitive in saying magic, “nor that of the phoenix can revive the dead.” That is to say in addition to. Ultima wants to sustain itself and also knows it cannot conquer death. At the start of the story we don’t actually see Joshua die either. The way Eikons work in 14 and 16 is virtually the same. They can be reconjured and have the capacity to regenerate, without permanent consequences to the host - unless the attacker fully depletes the host Aether/lifeforce, Clive blacks out (doesn’t finish the job) and Joshua was incapacitated- we know the order removed Joshua from the scene. If you posit that Joshua died twice (or more than once), then that is definitively proof that the story is contradictory in nature.
Hey everyone! So there was a copyright claim on this video for a song that appears during the credits at 1:32:13 , which had to be muted in this video. I don't say much during this section, but if you ARE interested in hearing what I have to say as well as the credits song, here's a link to that video that should start right when that section begins. Thanks for understanding! ua-cam.com/video/fXxFlJQ9050/v-deo.html
Kenshi Yonezu's Moongazing? It's a great song. Though personally, I have a greater fondness for an earlier contribution to a different IP: "M87", the ending theme of the movie Shin Ultraman. I recommend watching the movie and listening to the song.
2:05:14 Like me it seems he may have missed what the Final Fantasy book that was written by “Joshua Rosfield “ could mean. It could mean either Joshua and/or Clive lived to write it following the events. Since the books seemed to cover everything to the end… you could see it as Clive being the only one there with Ultima to add that end in and having used Joshua’s name to honor him like he did with Cid. But personally I took him healing Joshua as his reviving him somehow. It’s not clear how he would have gotten to safety… but it doesn’t make sense the game develops would add that seen if it didn’t point to something. I suppose he could have done it just to have Joshua’s body be more “presentable” but why would that be included in the climax/finale of the game. Where they show him heal Joshua’s wounds just for the sake of respect and appearances I suppose. But I personally am taking it as with although the Phoenix didn’t have powers to revive the dead, while being able to revive those extremely close to death. However with all the other Eikon’s strength and Ultima’s power it’s possible his Phoenix ability to heal could have been strengthened to the ability to revive. I like how that was his final act before using Ultima’s power to destroy magic entirely. The end showing the kid lighting the fire the normal way versus a bearer or using a crystal points to either magic has been completely eliminated and balance restored so the blight can no longer exist/spread or it could mean the possibility of magic still exists but there are no crystal left years later with all the mother crystals being destroyed. I take it as magic being gone forever otherwise the mother wouldn’t have said magic belongs in fairy tales… she would have said something a long the lines of we can afford a bearer or it’s not fair to use them knowing what it does to them. It seems to me with Clive having absorbed all Eikons and crystals being destroyed if magic still did exist, bearers would be the only ones who can use it. Therefore her statement to him seems simple enough to suggest magic is gone all together…. At least from human knowledge at the point of that cutscene. The end definitely left stuff up to interpretation. I adored this game. I’m currently halfway through my NG+ playthrough.
With all the speculation about the ending. Its extremely likely that Clive survived with his arm/hand turned to stone. Side quest info + character quirks like Clive using many different names. Clive narrating. Joshua saying in the tutorial "dont die, i cant bring you back" (pheonix not having that power) Plus it was his left hand shown to turn which is the one he used Ultima's magic with. Until we see otherwise this is what i will believe. Lastly you must be happy that nearly all your nit picks have been fixed already
I’m behind in playing but purposely stayed away from online content. These Final Cut scenes killed me. I am still wrecked. Hopefully we will get some DLCs. Maybe for Joshua post Clive’s death or Cid DLC. Wouldn’t mind the Adventures of Gav.
u need to do one end game sidequests ( dont remember witch one ) in order to have a great understanding to the book ending, but he may be alive or not.
My final thoughts about this? I love Final Fantasy XVI so much more than XV. Is it my most favourite game of the franchise? That would be hard to say but I think it is in my personal top 3. And since those top 3 are all very different games, the others being IX and XII, both of which I love for very different reasons, I find it impossible to say which one I like most. Anyways, with XV I had three main problems: 1. I did not like the characters well enough. It was basically a boy band on a road trip with their band leader being someone I simply could not connect with in any way, shape or form. XVI is far superior in that regard. Clive is a great protagonist and his companions are all very interesting and likeable, chief among them Torgal of course. 2. XV had a lot of tell don't show, meaning a lot of very important stuff happened but was not actually shown. Thusly the story did not work well enough for me. Final Fantasy games have typically a very complex story. But when important elements of these stories are missing I find it rather hard to keep being interested. XVI solved this problem easily since it basically showed each and everything it could possibly show. Whatever hardship arises, whatever problem shows up at the horizon, we experience it together with the characters. We even get to see some of the antagonists turmoils. Hugo Kupka is an outright villain, but I cannot say I didn't feel for him when he Benediktas' head was given to him in a box. The man lost possibly the one person he ever loved and he learned it in such a gruesome way. I cannot say I do not understand why he snapped at this point. Such a level of detail is magnificent. 3. XV had a fun villain but the final boss fight was a complete let-down. Ardyn was interesting and one of the few characters I actually liked in XV. However when it comes to the final boss fight...... The game itself spoils the fight against Ifrit, which really ruins the surprise. And Ardyn? A one-vs-one battles is fine was the first phase, but...... that's all? Seriously? Sorry to say it but I find the final battle in XV on the rather pathetic side. And XVI? Well, you probably just watched it. This is easily one of the most intense final boss battles I have ever experienced. It has virtually everything one could possibly wish for, takes it and gives it back times ten. It is an epic fight. Thinking about it...... is there a more epic final boss fight in the franchise? Ultimecia was pretty intense, but the way VIII does its' battles doesn't allow for the quickness of an action battle like what we have here. Vayne has a cool third phase, but the first two phases are pretty standard when it comes to final boss battles. Not bad but not on the same level as XVI. Lightning Returns has a pretty epic final boss fight. But if I have to choose between Bhunivelze and Ultima...... Ultima has the better battle because it is way more emotional. Bhunivelze is a very distant antagonist. Contrary to that we have come to hate Ultima by the time the game ends. Which leads me to the only real challenger I guess....... Sephiroth in Final Fantasy VII Remake. The lead-up battles against those...... things...... are pretty cool, though they are nothing but appetizers before we get to the main course. Also both battles, the one against Sephiroth as well as the one against Ultima have me emotionally invested. Honestly I am not entirely sure if I want to choose between them. Lastly a remark to all those people who critized Final Fantasy XVI before it was even released....... The game looks great but the story has no depth....... Let's boycott the game since it is not diverse enough........ ........ You guys didn't actually play the game, did you? Anyways, Final Fantasy XVI is awesome. I love it. And I hope for sure they make some great story DLCs some time soon. Something like what they did with the Xenoblade Chronicles games would be nice. So....... I will be waiting.
@@drenius3822 both maybe? I love a beautiful tragedy, but didn't think the story elements that justify him potentially dying were developed enough leading into the end. It just felt like they decided he needed to die to make the story more impactful. I also was probably upset because I wanted to share in the characters joy after the end and we didn't get to see that. The story is heavy with trauma and sacrifice, so not getting to share the happiness at the end made it feel a bit hollow.
@@TheFlyingBookwormNothing in the story themes of this game hinted at a happy ending. Personally I think it was beautiful the way they did it, and left just enough ambiguity at the end for speculation.
@@DogInatutu I'm glad that you enjoyed it. Personally, I thought his dream of letting people *live* on their own terms should have included a bit of non-traumatic enjoyment for the gang. I guess I was wrong in believing that to be a theme of the game.
if it isn't for the cut scene, after the credits of the 2 boys, clive would have died. but, because of that cut scene, both joshua, clive and jill survived. clive now walk around with 1 arm married to jill with children. joshua, jill, and clive lived rebuilding their kingdom, ending slavery, and brought peace to the nations. they grew old together. until clive health worsen. joshua started writing clive's book, as clive narrated it. those 2 boys a the end credits, are descendants from joshua, clive and jill.
I would like to think since the creators were talking about DLC and Clive on the beach it was kinda a easter egg to leviathan. I would like to think Clive turns into him and torgal and Jill have to find clive.
Why do you youtubers insist on putting huge spoilers as your thumbnail Im halfway through with the game now and its pretty clear what your thumbnail depicts. Total clickbait thanks alot.
I don't use healing items in action games, specifically mid combat for bosses. I feel like it cheapens the win for me and I don't earn the victory. Nothing against people that do use them, I just don't
Waitttt... Is the crystals curse a thing if there's no crystals? Did Clive stop turning to stone just in time? He took Ultimas power but with the death of magic, eikons and the like, what power does Clive really have? Isn't he just like the average human again? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
The last ending that got to me was Daenerys death from GOT to me that was the ending and I hated it so much 😭😢😔☹️ Though unlike that I don’t entirely dislike this I like the epilogue though I was wish it was more clarified
The ending was a punch in the gut…. The ending made me uninstall the game. The ending was so dejecting after investing 50 hours, striving to save the hopelessness that you feel the entire game, only for the payoff at the end to be an almighty slap in the face. I’m glad I did all the side quests and getting everything before I finish the game. Because I have Zero desire to play the game again knowing it’s all for nothing. I don’t need everyone to survive, but good god let’s just copy final fantasy 15’s ending because “ambiguous endings!” -This game was a 9/10 until that ending, 6/10 for me. Some people play Final Fantasy for the gameplay. Some people play it for the visuals, I’ve always played it for the story. Final fantasy has always drawn upon its ability to completely suck us in and invest us into the characters that are created. But that ending was an all mighty let down. I’m gonna go find whiskey and play Final Fantasy 9, because at least in that game. While not everybody survives, at least there’s some damn happiness with it.
HARD agree with your assessment. It's fine to have grim/dark/sad on occasion, but dude this was way too sad after the shit that this happens in this game. The Hideaway loses its leader (again), Clive has to watch his brother die (again), Jill loses her childhood friend (again) and Clive (again), Torgal loses his boys (AGAIN). It's a new, bright future where people can choose, and that's great, but yikes. I don't need much, but can't our heroes be happy in the world they saved??
i agree with you my man, that ending just ruined my experience, another déad character ending, Final fantasy X, Final Fantasy 13, Final Fantasy 15, Final Fantasy 16, maan wtf are they thinking? thats why i like the old ones, like Final Fantasy 4 or Final Fantasy 7, just the guys celebrating his victory against evil
I gotta be honest. The ending kinda ruined it for me (emphasis on kinda). They just kept dangling Clive over and over just to crush my heart. I haven't had an emotional reaction like this in a while... I loved the game, but I don't think I'll be playing any time soon. I really thought at least Clive and Jill were going to get a true happy ending.
The ending hit me SO fucking hard, dude. However, after some reflection, I'm not actually a fan of about the last 4th of the game all that much. It's pretty much just the same story as Xenogears/Xenoblade. God makes humanity so he can save himself, sees humans as tools, humans don't like that, beat god with the power of friendship, make a new world with no gods. It's really surprising to me how good the writers for FFXVI were for the whole game right up until Ultima casts Primogenesis. After that point, things just became a generic anime basically. I don't get how they were SO competent and creative for most of the game and then just threw all of that creativity out the window in order to tell a story like dozens of other JRPG creators have told before. Just...why? Did they seriously not have ANY new ideas on how to end their story??? Not a single one??? Just leaves me with nothing to think about or reflect upon by the end. It was just a story about humans being humans in generic ways. There were some good character arcs in there, but none of them were especially revolutionary. They felt good at the time, but they don't stick out in my memory like a Joel Miller, Cloud Strife, or Kratos. Ultimately, FFXVI was a really flashy experience, but all of that pizzazz never translated into any *ideas* that will really stay with me. The titan fight and bahamut fight will stay with me because they were insane and crazy, but they're just cool boss fights. I'd say this game was about as impactful as an Octopath Traveler game. Fun while it lasts, an enjoyable experience, something I'd recommend, but I'm not gonna swear by it. For a mainline FF entry, I guess I kind of just expected them to swing for the fences, and while they did from a production standpoint, they really didn't from an *ideas* standpoint. It could also be argued they haven't done that in over a decade, so maybe I should have stopped hoping a long time ago, but still, their whole marketing push was "this is going to put FF back on the map." As it is, FFXVI is not the kind of game I would consider being "on the map." Death Stranding was more interesting, God of War Ragnarok was more interesting, Elden Ring was more interesting, Nier Automata was more interesting, like there have been games within the last 5 years that have been had way more interesting ideas than this game, and I just think it's a real shame that such a behemoth of a franchise can't do anything more than be flashy.
@@MalkuthSephira I'm about halfway through Shadowbringers and so far I'd have to completely disagree. I really like the game for the gameplay and I enjoy having a long MMO to work my way through, but I think the music is unimpressive and the story is all over the place. I loved the climactic fight at the end of ARR, I loved the events in Ul'Dah right at the end of post-ARR, I loved all the stuff with any of the dragons in Heavensward, I loved the Yotsuyu storyline post-Stormblood, and I love the setting shift in Shadowbringers and I'm really enjoying the dynamic between Thancred and Menphilia and how complicated their relationship is, but at the same time I hated how they wrapped up/butchered the Ul'Dah storyline, I hated everything with Thordran and Azys Lla, I hated pretty much everything in post-Heavensward, I couldn't care less about almost anything in Stormblood, and I really can't stand the constant fakeout deaths of pretty much anyone and everyone to the point where nothing feels impactful anymore. The fact that, where I'm at in the story, the ONLY characters that have actually died are Haurchefant and Papalymo is laughable. Haurchefant was just a good guy, too bad he had to go like that, not nearly as traumatic as everyone acts like it is, and Papalymo was a total nobody that left no impression on me whatsoever. I will readily admit that I pretty much haven't been disappointed with anything in Shadowbringers yet and I immediately see why everyone loves Emet-Selch so much, but looking at FFXIV as a whole I just can't say that it's anywhere close to the top of my personal FF list. I haven't played 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, or 11 and only made it halfway through 8, but of the ones I've played, I'd pretty much only put it above 4 and LR. I've had such an infinitely more even experience with all the other games and they all left a better impression on me than XIV has so far. The good moments are not nearly strong enough to counteract the mountains of awful or just mediocre moments. To each their own though.
annabella did nothing wrong. she was correct, noble blood shouldnt be mixed with commoners edit: 15 was terrrible. there wasnt even slaves in that game
Lmfao a game is bad because there are no slaves, but you have magitek clones and experiments on both humans and daemons. Media literacy out the window.
So.. for the ppl that didnt pay atention. Clive is dead. Joshua is dead. Dion is uncertain if that last blast and the fall killed him. Now for the healing scene - Clive healed his brothers body as he didnt wanted to see it defiled like that. Ppl spinning the "he is alive" clearly didnt pay atention to what Clive says about the power he has. And ppl asking "why heal him if he is dead" i'll ask you this, When a person dies, why bathe him and clean him up to look presentable for his burial? smh... Now for the book - The Book at the end was indeed writen by Joshua as Tomes mentions that in a sidequest, that he is recording everything that happend on their journey. Now for who finish and publishes it, either Tomes himself or Jote (that some ppl seem to forget that she exists and the book might be in her possession after they fly off to the crystal which i bet thats the case). Now for my favorite.. Metia and the Moon along with Jill and their meaning Some ppl rly either misinterpreted or just didnt pay atention to what it was said so here Jill often mentions Metia and how she ALWAYS KNOWS CLIVE IS OK and WILL COMEBACK when SHE LOOKS AT THE SKY because Metias light was like a signal that he was alive This gets mentioned soooo many times and its how its linked to the ending of the star losing its light when Clive passes away. Jills reaction is the understanding of this and why she cries. The Sunrise - Jill looking at sunrise and "stops crying" is not Clive coming back but she is looking at the fulfilment of their journey, to give the world a new beginning and since runrise is tied to beginnings, thats the only meaning it has here. Now... i love this game but i hate this ending. We followed the journey of a man who lost it all, gave himself to revenge only to find out he was the one to blame. Gets saved by those from his past (Jill and Torgal) and new companions (Cid, Gav and the whole lot). Loses his mentor but gains hope that his Brother is alive. Goes on to make a bunch of promises (the more meaningful ones to Jill like traveling the world together and stuff) only to just fulfill one which is cleanse the world from magic... and dies when everyone around him told him to LIVE this through, specially Cid.. We do have hope, and for those questioning this hope is called Leviathan. Clive never had the perfect Vessel and that was Ultimas miscalculation and the main reason why its plan would never worked out like Clive mentions it at the end (not directly but he does mention that the power he has with that vessel are not all that it is) We all know that the Perfect Vessel is all the Eikons fused into one body so my take on it is that the Leviathan DLC will give us a diferent ending IF THE DEVS make it so... which i hope they do. I loved every single step i took with Clive and everyone around him and i truly think that this aint the way to end this story. The man deserves a happier ending
dude, what a troll. Clive is dead, he said himself that this vessel is not strong enough. but Joshua is alive. we don't see him write no book during the whole game, not even a hint of it. he did it after the game's events. which means he survived. the game pulled FFX here on us - we thought Joshua would be the one to die, but the game subverts it at the very end.
@blango-san Troll? Ok.. huh.. Tomes mentions that Joshua is writing a book about all they experienced and that he would be a great scholar one day. If you missed this then.. i'm sorry? This explains the book bit. Also who publishes the book? You have some options.. Tomes, Jote or even Jill.. Now the "Joshua is alive" bit. He is not. I would love to be wrong, but everything points that he isn't. He died after he gave Clive the Phoenix Eikon. And if you want to pull the "he healed him at the end so he is alive", then u missed the meaning of that "heal". I went through the game multiple times, all the side quests again and tried to find anything that would pull away from what i've said and found nothing. You can disagree with what i've said, i dont mind, everyone has their opinions and views about things, but dont call me a troll.
@@pod27 now did Tomes say exactly that, in those words? I honestly don't remember, but what I do remember is that Tomes said that Joshua _might_ become a great scholar one day, referencing to his thorough study of Ultima, which did nit entail any book whatsoever.
@@blango-san i forgot when exactly he mentions this but its shortly after Joshua joins the hideaway. But basicly the book is a product of both the Undying and Joshua. I paused my latest playthrough rn to wait for the second DLC and will prolly do another full play. i will then record when these bits of info come out. Sry i cant be more accurate. But you are on point there, Tomes does say that, that he has a "rare gift".
I'm one of the people who prefer Clive to be dead. I hate the ' only MC survive' trope. It's either all survive or all dead for me. Joshua's death scene was great. It would feel cheap to bring Joshua back after that tribute imo. As for Dion, if Clive can go the offscreen survive trope, so can he lol. He defo need that because his death is unneeded and unsatisfactory.
Please dont make this another instance of over analyzing the "blue curtains"..... The book has Joshua's name on it because he wrote it... he is alive.... God i hate when people try to find some deep meaning behind some straight forward detail where there is none. You'd all make great english teachers though -_-
I can't believe Clive actually said "This is my Final Fantasy" and punched God in the face
I love that this sounds like complete bullshit, but is 100% correct.
@@gastar8057 Embrace the meme before they meme on you.
Finished the game. Really enjoyed it. Game of the year for me.
I laughed so hard at that summation. It’s fucking perfect.
I loved that line, This is your fantasy and we are its final witnesses. And throws his sword. Epic. Clive won some points there. lol
I liked the ending. The post credit scene basically let's you think that either Clive or Joshua survived. We only saw Clive's bad hand being damaged and we didn't see him die for sure. And we also saw him heal Joshua's body before. The story the kids were playing was the one Clive liked and acted with his uncle and one of the side missions allowed Clive to get a quill from Harpocrates to write his story. So I believe Clive survived and to honor his brother used his name to write his story. Not the first time he took someone's name.
But on the other hand you see that Clive attempted to revive Joshua and it seemingly worked since his body healed, while Clive laid weak despite the petrification, closing his eyes after implying he did die from the toll Ultima's power put on him, which is consistent with the story telling us the body would be expended from it. Following that the star dying and Jill's heartbreak, Torgal doing a mournful howl with her. Then the author of the book likely being from a revived Joshua chronicling the events of the game and Clive's adventure from his perspective, something Clive would've done had he been the one to return, indirectly passing that responsibility to Joshua, Harpocrates suggesting Clive would've wanted it.
Joshua is gone man. If healing was the only thing standing in the way from him dying, then how come it was not done before when he was sick and coughing badly?
@@juanmd26121 Why did his "corpse" heal then? Did Clive perform that healing thing on Joshua for nothing?
@@TheGravityShifter good point. But his reaction would have been different if that healing would’ve have revived him. He healed the body’s wounds, but Joshua was already gone.
@@TheGravityShifter Yes, that's what the Phoenix does it can heal physical wounds but not the soul nor revive people.
This ending had me sobbing like a child. I don’t think I’ve ever cried so hard at an ending
same deadweight
same
It’s ok I was the same way too how are they just going to kill off Clive like that why square enix and I cried even more when Jill felt he was gone and torgal seeing the Star fade and gav saying that’s what cid wanted that’s what they both wanted god I cried at that part 😭😭 this is such a sad ending
This ending fucked me up SOOOO BAD. I was in hysterics for over an hour. I just shut down completely. Those ending scenes with Joshua just butchered me. Talk about a cheap shot. That was deliberately below the belt with steel-toe boots. What really got me though is that his mother was included in the one scene when he could have easily just removed her from his memories, but after everything that twat did he still put her there. Clive was easily one of the best protagonist in the entire series. I was the same way with Dion, too lol I was screaming at the tv like "WHAT ABOUT TERENCE?!?! DO YOU NOT LOVE HIM???!!!! YOU HAVE TERENCE TO LIVE FOR!!!" lol This game just tore me apart. The after credits scene though made all that pain and all that suffering worthwhile. At least it didn't end for nothing. They did the right thing. Which naturally made me cry even harder lol
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Same 😭 and what makes Joshua's death even more tragic is not just the fact that he was an awesome character (and one of my favorites) but also the fact that after everything Clive went through to keep his lil bro safe, there was nothing he could do at that moment. It made me bawl for days. And Dion is best boi, I'll miss them all so much 😭
Ah, but that's the way of Final Fantasy games. The ending is bittersweet. The heroes win. It doesn't mean they survive. Reminds me of a saying: "when a tyrant dies his reign ends; when a martyr dies his reign begins."
Dion’s voice actor explained that he didn’t think to be worthy of Terence’s love in this point.. and he wanted to protect him, because he knew Terence would have suffered in witnessing Dion’s suicidal atonement without being able to stop him… heartbreaking 💔
Bruh this game hurts!! I’m rewatching your finale and I still cry…
same...QQ
I’ve never seen an ending so beautiful in my life, ever. The best ending in video game history.
Agreed, still has me thinking about it weeks after
@@mr.b1613 man same. Been carrying it with me ever since. This game was really special (imo).
this is one of the endings ill remember for years to come
The ending is done beautifully, I love it for that. But It also made me extremely mad after 40+ hours I put so much time and energy into the game and we don’t even get closure, no pay off for a lot of things. I’m usually okay with open ended conclusions, but this one is just😭
@@thefinalfighter2578 i understand the frustration but appreciate the vagueness of the ending because in my head cannon clive survived because the magic stopped and he wrote the book at the end using joshua's name and that made me happy. and everyone else has different interpretations of the ending and its the first time since i was younger that i used my imagination for an ending which sometimes i hate vague endings but in this case i really enjoyed being able to come up with my own ending and no ones interpretation being wrong necessarily
Too bad you skipped some of the best missions of the game, they would have put so much meaning to many things in the finale 😢
Man I cried too. Took an hour to finally get over it for the most part. I was already sad with Clive gone, but when Jill started crying my heart broke. I finished the game yesterday and I don't think I'll be playing NG+ anytime soon, the wounds will be fresh for quite a while.
Same bro, still can’t get over that ending. Great game 👍
@@nimzgaz7049 Indeed it was
I think you need to complete the side quest for Hypocretase guy, the old guy. Then you will get a collectable item for the wall of memory, a quill. He will tell Clive that “once this fight is over, Clive should consider putting the sword down and perhaps pick up a quill (pen)” … to write a book. So with that post credit scene, showed us that that story book was written by Clive in memory of his brother, Joshua.
I would go back an do the sidequests at the hideout before the final quest, they give some good insight into the ending and are probably some of the best side quests in the game! Grats on finishing!
Precisely why I made the extra save 😊
@@AntonioRedgravethis game hurt!!! 😭
They really flesh out the characters, imho they could have made some of them mandatory
I could see why those ones weren't though, at least for when they're presented. The game has a really good formula for pacing where after every Eikon fight you have a small scale fetch quest to help you decompress. But since we're at the final stages of the game it would feel very jarring to go from the first Ultima battle to a series of "side content". I think it would make more sense to have those particular quests appear before the Brotherhood mission
I totally agree, the final moments in such games is best when it’s not broken up. I didn’t want to say goodbye to them just yet, I hope Yoshi hears us begging for more!
“The only (fantasy) here is yours. And we shall be it’s (final) witness.”
what a game man. i dont think i've loved ff characters this much. and the music is just transcendent, one of the best OSTs i've ever heard. and the combat is amazing especially on ng+ when you master everything. it's not as deep as dmc but it's really goddamn satisfying especially when you start air juggling and getting perfect sics and finding all the crazy ways you can extend combos.
Meanwhile, me laugh-crying over the fact *PRESUMABLY*:
Terence, Jill, and Jote lived
while
Dion, Clive, and Joshua died
lmfao, ff why you gotta crush every single heart like it's an achievement
FFXVI-2 will be Jill, Jote and Terrence teaming up to revive their boyfriends. 😂
If Terence and the medicine girl were waiting for Dion in Crystalline Dominion (which is the last place we saw her) they died instantly when the whole city vanished in the process of creating the Origin.
I was already crying a lot when poor Torgal opened the flooding gates. I also have a baby brother that I love so much and lives very far from where I am, so this game hit me real hard. A masterpiece 10/10
Guys I’ve never cried like this ever during any movie or game before. Game isn’t perfect but the storytelling is. 100% the best FF story since like FF10.
Between the music, the story, and the sacrifices made, this game has made me cry more than I’ve ever cried for any video game ever. Especially the boy and dog scenes per that side quest
It was Torgals howl's that took me out.
Love that you used DMC5 phrases “Lets give em a taste of the good shit” and “You shall die!”
the sad part abt the sidequests at the end is that I was too burnt out to do them on ng, and then when I did them on ng+ they were the best ones in the game, and they had directed cutscenes in them too
In the ending, the theme "my star" is from Jill to Clive, and later moongazing are the words replied from Clive to Jill.
Oh dear, I thought I had given all the tears I had to give to that game and here I am, tearing up again 😭 And that despite thinking Clive didn’t die and will get back 😅
I really recommend you go back and do at least the sidequests that appeared, they are important for character development and "enriches" the end of the game by a lot, and some of them will unlock the last hunts if I'm not mistaken, locked areas are linked to specific sidequest.
and if the end broke, some of this late game sidequest ll do the same, especially Jills last sidequest.
The quote that most sticks with me during the end game side quests is:
"Truth" is dependent on mass belief, this also means that the "Truth" is not immutable and may be changed.
Vivian is the one who states this regarding Valisthaen history and I think it was a hidden message from the developers that if the community see it fit that Clive lives then so be it. In essence it means that Clive is not uncategorically dead and that's enough for me.
*CLIVE IS DEAD* (sorry)
Finally decided to look up "Logos" to see if I could find another definition to help that part make a little more sense to me, because I knew that "logo" is latin for word, as in logophile (which describes me)
So this is interesting, "logos," in theology, means "the word of God," the divine reason and creative order, and the second person (Jesus) in the Holy Trinity. Also, Carl Jung uses the term to describe the principle of reason and judgement in regards to animus, the male part of the psyche. This make sense to me, as Clive, and humanity in general, develop their own wills and self actualize. It's also cool to me that Clive has, in a sense, attained divine enlightenment as opposed to that of "God," Ultima. I so love these thematic reversals, where "God" in this is more akin to a devil, and the Jesus-like figure promotes faith in oneself rather than faith in a God (and is an outlaw to boot)
People screaming at Dion to use Zettaflare forgetting the man primed after Clive absorbed his eikon powers and still managed to stand up to Ultima. Jill doesn't prime precisely because that would mean she could very well lose everything she has left.
Yup I think that completely flew over peoples heads
Yep. Dion went into this fight ready to die if he lost control again, and Clive wouldn't let Jill take that risk. Plus, it's implied earlier that Jill is already in the early stages of the Curse, so if she pushed herself too hard, she'd die.
I don't care for a "sequel" but we could have Expansions for this game. Prequel content, new hunts, LEVIATHAN STORY DLC. ETC.
could add content between the time skips
Insane ending, GOTY for me even having played BG3.
Spoilers, but -
1:27:59 - Square Enix dangles hope in your face.
1:28:13 - Square Enix slaps you for hoping.
1:37:39 - Square Enix is gloating over the fact - They gave you the feeling they hoped for
2:07:38 - Square Enix apologizes for hurting you so badly you need a moment to collect yourself before trying NG+
On your final thoughts -
•They should definitely allow switching Eikons in fights.
The only reason I think they didn't is because you could rotate-spam your abilities.
They could allow it for the normal abilities, and put a one-time popup when you do it that says like "Eikon abilities take time to blah blah when switched", and put bigger abilities for the new eikon (Gigaflare, diamond dust, etc) on cooldown when swapped.
I wouldn't even mind if they made ALL newly swapped in abilities go on cooldown when swapped.
•Motion blur got patched I think. It's got a slider now.
Also, definitely start your NG+ with the best items from the first playthrough, though they will be obsolete pretty quickly.
I hope the dlc lets us use all of them after beating leviathan I think that would be neat for making more combos
Dude, really loved your playthrough! And I especially loved how you loved the game, being a DMC guy (this coming from FF nerd).
I also loved the hell out of this game, and even more so I love the fact that after a series of failures FF is going strong again (the last good FF before 16 was 12). Oh, and 7 remake is also good.
Also loved your DMC references that I had no idea of before (and you have no idea, just how many references are in this game to previous FF installments ;)
Jill couldn't go because her power was spent. That's why she was so weak during the game as Shiva. While all the other dominants used their powers sparingly, Jill was forced to use hers regularly. She would've gotten destroyed by Ultima from the start, her body was failing from the curse aswell. Thorgal would've Also been collateral since his powers (as great as they was) would never have matched up to Ultimas. He's a good doggo but he's arguably even weaker than Jill.
Lastly, I don't think Clive wanted her involved anyway. She bore the brunt of the "burdens" in the early-mid game until Clive finally tamed Ifrit. This is his way of asking her to live and let him "do his duty" I think.
Besides, Ultima would've targeted Jill straight away, she was what saved Clive to begin with when all hope was lost and became his reason to fight before he found out Josh was alive and their bond only grew stronger. Ultima would've relished killing her.
The ending fcking wrecked me. Clive’s wink at Joshua during the memory montage was too cute 😭
i'm petty sure that Clive made it it's in his name "C=see LIVE" 🤣
but seriously joking aside the end is open to interpretation...
all we see that Clive hand start to turn to stone also the same with Jill so both of them don't have much time left to live..
if you paid attention to the ending Jill crying all night then sunrise she stopped and smiled then black screen and Clive says : "tus our Journey end", remind me of Clive and Jill in the flower scene "no matter how dark the night dawn will come and that you will come for me Clive" and near the end "i will come back, i promise, i love you".
the game theme song is about Jill wish "Clive returning to her", also the book in the post credit by "joshua rosfield" at first you think that joshua made it but i can say it could be that Clive wrote it and used Joshua name to honour his memory there is a quest with Hippocrates where Clive say : "i may start writing after the sword".., also maybe Clive and Jill had a son and named him Joshua and he who wrote the book about his father...
the end
I applause you! Thank you for making the pain a little less and giving hope! I think that after my heart shattered like the mothercrystal's did several times, reading through the comments and specifically through yours, some pieces of my broken heart were put together again! Thanks!!!This game is an absolutely Masterpiece in complete!
@@DrJayGreen it's just too sad to think that Clive died - Jill remain alone - Joshua lived...
if the writers set from the start that the main character will die at the end then why the writers choose to make Clive wait before the end to say to Jill "i will come back, i promise "after that "i love you", just to let him break his promise to Jill..., you would think that the writers will give them the time to spend together as a couple, base on after the second time skip nothing happened between Clive and Jill untll after the second fight with barnabas...
so if the writers meant for Clive to die at the end of the game they would have chosen a different way to approach his relationship with Jill during the game...
@@AB-cr1cu This was exactly my thoughts and why it broke me so bad! It was so obvious from the very beginning how much they really liked each other. And then there was so many moments that I jumped out of my chair because there was this obvious moments of closeness and love and they didn't let them! And just towards the end he gets to reunite with Joshua and get close to Jill! And like you said, Clive breaking all his promises and dying alone at the beach and Jill staying alone. This is the saddest end ever! And like you said, I also thought that everything in the storyline was being built towards a time together. In storytelling there is something called "planting and harvesting" and it's used in movies, on stage and games. And my interpretation now is that there is a potential for more. So at first I was totally shocked but the more I thought about it the less it made sense to end like that. And yes, on the date she said that after the dawn the sun comes back, that he will come back to her and her reaction, first breaking down and then the sun rises and she remembers. Of course they could also have chosen to just let us experience pain and loss (not that it didn't hapen all the time in the game) but I hope not! Fingers crossed for a continuing of this story!
I'm gonna need a pack of beers. I can't believe they did sad ending back to back with FF15 and 16. Jesus.
i finally see a youtuber did a proper fight, not only dodge or fooling around . for that i will subscribe you ^^
About the book clive wrote it, there will be a side quest that clive got a pen and said that at the end of the war he will put down his sword and write a book. beach scene between jill and clive know only 2 people, the sunrise scene at the end, if you play jill's side quest, you will get the answer that when the sun rises, clive will always come back in line with the sentence of the song " tsuki wo miteita" and jill smiles. when the sun rises
Exactly, unfortunately a lot of people will skip the side quests and miss these very important hints.
Wait until you get the Ultima Weapon 👀 the blue really stands out
I read an interesting theory about the ending. Basically Clive lives but is waking up at the beach of a foreign continent. He suffers from Amnesia and doesn't remember his past life or actions. Meanwhile we take control of Jill who hears of some new threat. During the story she gets to this new continent and finds Clive and helps him bring back his memory. Meanwhile the defeat of Ultima released another very powerful godlike being who was trapped on Metia by the Fallen as it was deemed too dangerous and too powerful for Ultima to defeat. The second game ends with Clive, Jill and others fighting against said being.
I believe Cluve survived and wrote a book named "Final Fantasy" taking inspiration of his dialogues in his fight against ultima " the only FANNTASY here is yours, and you shall be it's FINAL witness" and wrote Joshua as the author.
It’s funny that everyone misses the fact that Clive narrates the entirety of the game. He didn’t die.
The game is written from Clive's perspective, but clearly still by Joshua. Clive writing a flattering book about himself is borderline character assassination. Joshua was always the one compared to Moss the Chronicler, shown to document his journey, and even has a way with words that Clive doesn't. Harpocrates gave him the quill because he figured Clive had many experiences worth writing about, but Clive himself never shows the inclination.
Clive died. Its not only what the game literally portrays at face value, but its WAY more narratively satisfying. For Clive to just... get up after that whole scene with him on the beach just completely negates the effectiveness of the scene and ending as a whole.
Joshua only survived because Clive used Ultima's power on him in time. Before Clive sacrifices himself to create a new world, he takes a single "selfish" action in using that power to Raise Joshua.
@@TuskyBaby you don’t have enough evidence to truly back up your claims due to the ambiguous and contradictory nature of the ending. Nothing about the story was flattering.
Your first point is subjective. I can find a path where someone as educated and well trained in verse and theatrical presentation is able to write eloquently. His response to receiving the quill, is maybe I will.
I’m not advocating that Clive just “got up.” There is not enough lore about Metia to suggest what the fading actually means. We also saw Clive partially gray, when death consumes the whole.
Last, saving Joshua “in time?” Really? Were we playing the same game? Boy had a hole in chest where we presume the heart is and he literally drew his last breath. We also established time and again, that NO magic (even the combined might of Ultima) can raise the dead. It can also be seen as Clive attempting and failing to raise his brother, but also making him “whole” to take in his beauty and love (loved ones not wanting to see the dead maimed, but rather see them as they remembered them in life - like what we do at open casket funerals).
And there is no “new world creation.” It is a world devoid of magic that, as stated could take decades to centuries to recover from the damage. Ironically, we also know only of the effects of this calamity on one continent.
At the end of the day, the story was ended with people being able to choose the ending that seems right to them after experiencing it. I’m merely pointing out that it is exceptionally rare, and nonsensical when used, for a narrator to outlive themself in the story they are telling.
Also, Joshua could be a descendent of Clive or someone with their namesake. Not enough info is known.
Whereas, as an example, we get an omnipotent view in Cowboy Bebop, where the lore established early on indicates that the star fading equates to Spike’s death.
We can also suggest that this is a story within a story where magic actually never existed and it was a made up fantasy by a guy name Joshua Rosfield (having no actual relation to the Joshua we see in the game).
I mean, your only "concrete evidense" is still fairly subjective. You're calling Clive's 2 post-mortem narrations "exceptionally rare" and "nonsensical" rather than engaging with the idea that its just a creative choice. The game is told from his perspective, so it makes sense to have him narrate at the beginning. It then also makes sense to keep that consistent for the 1 other time it comes up.
I misspoke with the "new world" comment, but Clive still currently has the power to make that. Also, the only comments made about bringing someone back from the dead are related to the Phoenix's power, not Ultima's. There's nothing saying Ultima, the literal creator of humanity, can't do it. Genuinely, if you can point to where the game contradicts what I'm saying I'd be very interested in reading it.
Also also, Joshua is never confirmed dead in that moment. He's bleeding out and passes out, but FF7 Remake literally has characters still live after these sorts of "death" scenes. We have no real idea of how much time passes from when Joshua passes out to when Clive heals up his body. Tarja wasn't exactly there to declare him dead. If you want to get even more into the weeds with this, Joshua is shown to essentially revive Clive IN THIS VIDEO. Its right after Dion sacrifices himself. Clive isn't breathing, and he's been in that condition for at least a couple minutes. Joshua just uses a bit of Phoenix magic and boom, he's up again shortly after. This also wouldn't be the first time Joshua, the Phoenix, rose from the dead. Just saying, the game AND company have set a certain precedent.
Tbh the final theory you mentioned about it all being just a story is preferable (imo) to Clive still surviving in the end. It probably makes the most sense of all this, because there are still so many bits of info that anyone could use to argue either side. The boss fights in particular seem like something right out of the imagination of a child (I mean this in the best way), so combine that with the older and younger brothers' hair colors matching up with Clive and Joshua's, and I think its very reasonable to assume the whole game is from their imagination.
Setting that possibility aside though, I will always maintain Clive sacrificing himself to remove magic and save his brother in the process, thus ensuring he did his duty until the end, makes for a more narratively satisfying conclusion than Clive surviving that whole ordeal. His death flags are pretty blaring, and only seem to be obscurred by how bright and overwhelming Dion's are. 🤣
@@TuskyBaby Dion survived the fall damage (because if Joshua can, so can Dion). Joshua and Clive die. Also an option.
It’s a creative choice that is also lazy and uninteresting - if the dead speak, then Clive is undead. Again, everything you or I say is pointless because there isn’t enough information to prove either until we get DLC (if we get it, and if it continues versus a prequel).
I’m not saying you’re wrong. But I’m also saying no one is right.
If we really want to bring in past narratives, then technically everyone died in FF13 too. Lmfao
But the last I’ll say, is they were definitive in saying magic, “nor that of the phoenix can revive the dead.” That is to say in addition to. Ultima wants to sustain itself and also knows it cannot conquer death. At the start of the story we don’t actually see Joshua die either. The way Eikons work in 14 and 16 is virtually the same. They can be reconjured and have the capacity to regenerate, without permanent consequences to the host - unless the attacker fully depletes the host Aether/lifeforce, Clive blacks out (doesn’t finish the job) and Joshua was incapacitated- we know the order removed Joshua from the scene.
If you posit that Joshua died twice (or more than once), then that is definitively proof that the story is contradictory in nature.
This game broke me a truly love latter to final fantasy
I think we all should of known that when torgul was not coming with us that we were all gonna die and horrible things were coming up.
Hey everyone! So there was a copyright claim on this video for a song that appears during the credits at 1:32:13 , which had to be muted in this video. I don't say much during this section, but if you ARE interested in hearing what I have to say as well as the credits song, here's a link to that video that should start right when that section begins. Thanks for understanding!
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Kenshi Yonezu's Moongazing? It's a great song. Though personally, I have a greater fondness for an earlier contribution to a different IP: "M87", the ending theme of the movie Shin Ultraman. I recommend watching the movie and listening to the song.
Wait, did you not get the Gottendammerung Sword? The most powerful sword in the game?
2:05:14 Like me it seems he may have missed what the Final Fantasy book that was written by “Joshua
Rosfield “ could mean.
It could mean either Joshua and/or Clive lived to write it following the events. Since the books seemed to cover everything to the end… you could see it as Clive being the only one there with Ultima to add that end in and having used Joshua’s name to honor him like he did with Cid.
But personally I took him healing Joshua as his reviving him somehow. It’s not clear how he would have gotten to safety… but it doesn’t make sense the game develops would add that seen if it didn’t point to something.
I suppose he could have done it just to have Joshua’s body be more “presentable” but why would that be included in the climax/finale of the game. Where they show him heal Joshua’s wounds just for the sake of respect and appearances I suppose. But I personally am taking it as with although the Phoenix didn’t have powers to revive the dead, while being able to revive those extremely close to death. However with all the other Eikon’s strength and Ultima’s power it’s possible his Phoenix ability to heal could have been strengthened to the ability to revive.
I like how that was his final act before using Ultima’s power to destroy magic entirely. The end showing the kid lighting the fire the normal way versus a bearer or using a crystal points to either magic has been completely eliminated and balance restored so the blight can no longer exist/spread or it could mean the possibility of magic still exists but there are no crystal left years later with all the mother crystals being destroyed. I take it as magic being gone forever otherwise the mother wouldn’t have said magic belongs in fairy tales… she would have said something a long the lines of we can afford a bearer or it’s not fair to use them knowing what it does to them. It seems to me with Clive having absorbed all Eikons and crystals being destroyed if magic still did exist, bearers would be the only ones who can use it. Therefore her statement to him seems simple enough to suggest magic is gone all together…. At least from human knowledge at the point of that cutscene.
The end definitely left stuff up to interpretation. I adored this game. I’m currently halfway through my NG+ playthrough.
With all the speculation about the ending.
Its extremely likely that Clive survived with his arm/hand turned to stone.
Side quest info + character quirks like Clive using many different names. Clive narrating. Joshua saying in the tutorial "dont die, i cant bring you back" (pheonix not having that power)
Plus it was his left hand shown to turn which is the one he used Ultima's magic with.
Until we see otherwise this is what i will believe.
Lastly you must be happy that nearly all your nit picks have been fixed already
👋I'm not a gamer and I cried after watching a 54 hr. Walkthrough. It's good. 👍🎮🌹
Really enjoyed your video man. What a great game!
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😁
I’m behind in playing but purposely stayed away from online content. These Final Cut scenes killed me. I am still wrecked. Hopefully we will get some DLCs. Maybe for Joshua post Clive’s death or Cid DLC. Wouldn’t mind the Adventures of Gav.
And there are people who called this ending open-ended. I have not seen any form of media ending as complete as this.
Wait did Joshua survive since he wrote that book?
u need to do one end game sidequests ( dont remember witch one ) in order to have a great understanding to the book ending, but he may be alive or not.
@@irmaoburro1 A Tail to Tale
My final thoughts about this?
I love Final Fantasy XVI so much more than XV.
Is it my most favourite game of the franchise?
That would be hard to say but I think it is in my personal top 3.
And since those top 3 are all very different games, the others being IX and XII, both of which I love for very different reasons, I find it impossible to say which one I like most.
Anyways, with XV I had three main problems:
1. I did not like the characters well enough.
It was basically a boy band on a road trip with their band leader being someone I simply could not connect with in any way, shape or form.
XVI is far superior in that regard.
Clive is a great protagonist and his companions are all very interesting and likeable, chief among them Torgal of course.
2. XV had a lot of tell don't show, meaning a lot of very important stuff happened but was not actually shown.
Thusly the story did not work well enough for me.
Final Fantasy games have typically a very complex story. But when important elements of these stories are missing I find it rather hard to keep being interested.
XVI solved this problem easily since it basically showed each and everything it could possibly show.
Whatever hardship arises, whatever problem shows up at the horizon, we experience it together with the characters.
We even get to see some of the antagonists turmoils.
Hugo Kupka is an outright villain, but I cannot say I didn't feel for him when he Benediktas' head was given to him in a box.
The man lost possibly the one person he ever loved and he learned it in such a gruesome way.
I cannot say I do not understand why he snapped at this point.
Such a level of detail is magnificent.
3. XV had a fun villain but the final boss fight was a complete let-down.
Ardyn was interesting and one of the few characters I actually liked in XV. However when it comes to the final boss fight......
The game itself spoils the fight against Ifrit, which really ruins the surprise.
And Ardyn?
A one-vs-one battles is fine was the first phase, but...... that's all? Seriously?
Sorry to say it but I find the final battle in XV on the rather pathetic side.
And XVI?
Well, you probably just watched it.
This is easily one of the most intense final boss battles I have ever experienced.
It has virtually everything one could possibly wish for, takes it and gives it back times ten.
It is an epic fight.
Thinking about it...... is there a more epic final boss fight in the franchise?
Ultimecia was pretty intense, but the way VIII does its' battles doesn't allow for the quickness of an action battle like what we have here.
Vayne has a cool third phase, but the first two phases are pretty standard when it comes to final boss battles. Not bad but not on the same level as XVI.
Lightning Returns has a pretty epic final boss fight.
But if I have to choose between Bhunivelze and Ultima...... Ultima has the better battle because it is way more emotional.
Bhunivelze is a very distant antagonist. Contrary to that we have come to hate Ultima by the time the game ends.
Which leads me to the only real challenger I guess....... Sephiroth in Final Fantasy VII Remake.
The lead-up battles against those...... things...... are pretty cool, though they are nothing but appetizers before we get to the main course.
Also both battles, the one against Sephiroth as well as the one against Ultima have me emotionally invested.
Honestly I am not entirely sure if I want to choose between them.
Lastly a remark to all those people who critized Final Fantasy XVI before it was even released.......
The game looks great but the story has no depth.......
Let's boycott the game since it is not diverse enough........
........
You guys didn't actually play the game, did you?
Anyways, Final Fantasy XVI is awesome.
I love it.
And I hope for sure they make some great story DLCs some time soon. Something like what they did with the Xenoblade Chronicles games would be nice.
So....... I will be waiting.
Same for me its
1. VI
2. XVI
3. X
And I put VI because of nostalgia reasons too
Mine:
1. 12
2. 10
3. 16 or tactics, I cannot decide lol.
I was so salty about the ending. I'm glad so many people appreciate it, but I wanted to throw hands over it.
Did it upset you or did you think it was just a bad ending? Cause while I liked the ending, I had some similar feelings haha
@@drenius3822 both maybe?
I love a beautiful tragedy, but didn't think the story elements that justify him potentially dying were developed enough leading into the end. It just felt like they decided he needed to die to make the story more impactful.
I also was probably upset because I wanted to share in the characters joy after the end and we didn't get to see that. The story is heavy with trauma and sacrifice, so not getting to share the happiness at the end made it feel a bit hollow.
@@TheFlyingBookwormNothing in the story themes of this game hinted at a happy ending. Personally I think it was beautiful the way they did it, and left just enough ambiguity at the end for speculation.
@@DogInatutu I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
Personally, I thought his dream of letting people *live* on their own terms should have included a bit of non-traumatic enjoyment for the gang. I guess I was wrong in believing that to be a theme of the game.
Such a beautiful game
I thought 15's ending was soul crushing....nope, I stand corrected. This one killed me and I've not played the game yet.
man....this was the second time I almost cried in a video game, the first time was Arthur Morgan's death in rdr2, Clive's death really broke me
Hey redgrave how you doing Man you re my hero you play this game so amazing and your sense of humor is amazing Man
The way I ugly cried!! I needed this game. I love final fantasy
The revival at the end worked on Joshua, he woke up later and finished the book, no doubt.
that ending messed me up bro any one thats an older brother hits hard af when u can relate to that relationship RIP to the rosfields
if it isn't for the cut scene, after the credits of the 2 boys, clive would have died. but, because of that cut scene, both joshua, clive and jill survived. clive now walk around with 1 arm married to jill with children. joshua, jill, and clive lived rebuilding their kingdom, ending slavery, and brought peace to the nations. they grew old together. until clive health worsen. joshua started writing clive's book, as clive narrated it. those 2 boys a the end credits, are descendants from joshua, clive and jill.
now ain't that a fantasy
What if it was jill that wrote the book n just put Joshua name on it. Guess we will never know. Love the game though
Oops too bad he missed all the last sidequests that makes the ending have more meaning other than “the hero die very sad”
I would like to think since the creators were talking about DLC and Clive on the beach it was kinda a easter egg to leviathan. I would like to think Clive turns into him and torgal and Jill have to find clive.
The ending is very ambiguous. Great game in my eyes.😊
If this game doesn't get GOTY, best score and Best actor to the actor of Clive I will riot.
clive say the story and joshua writhe the book. Both alive
Why do you youtubers insist on putting huge spoilers as your thumbnail Im halfway through with the game now and its pretty clear what your thumbnail depicts. Total clickbait thanks alot.
You know your problem with swapping if you master a skill you can equip to other base ekion abilities
It says Clive Rosfield must go to Dissidia Final Fantasy for PS5. But he is not death.
This was such a sad story and very depressing.
Clive is alive
I think Clive really died, but Joshua did survived
The song of the final scene was from ffxiii 🥺😢😭
Ohh and you say something that really is an absolute truth final fantasy never need dlc to complete the story
In this case if they wanna do something acording to the experience snd history is gonna be assumimg ff 16 part2 my single opinion
Hey genuis try using you POTIONS!?!?!!?
I don't use healing items in action games, specifically mid combat for bosses. I feel like it cheapens the win for me and I don't earn the victory. Nothing against people that do use them, I just don't
If in the future square enix decided to do something is gonna be like ff 10 they make the second part of that game and called ff 10 part 2
Waitttt... Is the crystals curse a thing if there's no crystals?
Did Clive stop turning to stone just in time?
He took Ultimas power but with the death of magic, eikons and the like, what power does Clive really have? Isn't he just like the average human again?
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He tried casting and it didn't work so that was the last bit of magic he had left. So now he's just an average human with the ability to jump cancel
@@AntonioRedgrave soooo... He lives?
The last ending that got to me was Daenerys death from GOT to me that was the ending and I hated it so much 😭😢😔☹️
Though unlike that I don’t entirely dislike this I like the epilogue though I was wish it was more clarified
ytf do peole skip all the side missions and then always have the worst inerpetrations of the ending?
The ending was a punch in the gut…. The ending made me uninstall the game.
The ending was so dejecting after investing 50 hours, striving to save the hopelessness that you feel the entire game, only for the payoff at the end to be an almighty slap in the face. I’m glad I did all the side quests and getting everything before I finish the game. Because I have Zero desire to play the game again knowing it’s all for nothing. I don’t need everyone to survive, but good god let’s just copy final fantasy 15’s ending because “ambiguous endings!” -This game was a 9/10 until that ending, 6/10 for me. Some people play Final Fantasy for the gameplay. Some people play it for the visuals, I’ve always played it for the story. Final fantasy has always drawn upon its ability to completely suck us in and invest us into the characters that are created. But that ending was an all mighty let down. I’m gonna go find whiskey and play Final Fantasy 9, because at least in that game. While not everybody survives, at least there’s some damn happiness with it.
HARD agree with your assessment. It's fine to have grim/dark/sad on occasion, but dude this was way too sad after the shit that this happens in this game. The Hideaway loses its leader (again), Clive has to watch his brother die (again), Jill loses her childhood friend (again) and Clive (again), Torgal loses his boys (AGAIN). It's a new, bright future where people can choose, and that's great, but yikes. I don't need much, but can't our heroes be happy in the world they saved??
i agree with you my man, that ending just ruined my experience, another déad character ending, Final fantasy X, Final Fantasy 13, Final Fantasy 15, Final Fantasy 16, maan wtf are they thinking? thats why i like the old ones, like Final Fantasy 4 or Final Fantasy 7, just the guys celebrating his victory against evil
Disagree. Clive being cid got what they wanted. Freedom for the future.
I am gay for Clive, period. Bring him back!
I gotta be honest. The ending kinda ruined it for me (emphasis on kinda). They just kept dangling Clive over and over just to crush my heart. I haven't had an emotional reaction like this in a while... I loved the game, but I don't think I'll be playing any time soon. I really thought at least Clive and Jill were going to get a true happy ending.
ハッピーエンド迎えたじゃないか。
クライヴは生きているよ
The ending hit me SO fucking hard, dude.
However, after some reflection, I'm not actually a fan of about the last 4th of the game all that much. It's pretty much just the same story as Xenogears/Xenoblade. God makes humanity so he can save himself, sees humans as tools, humans don't like that, beat god with the power of friendship, make a new world with no gods. It's really surprising to me how good the writers for FFXVI were for the whole game right up until Ultima casts Primogenesis. After that point, things just became a generic anime basically. I don't get how they were SO competent and creative for most of the game and then just threw all of that creativity out the window in order to tell a story like dozens of other JRPG creators have told before. Just...why? Did they seriously not have ANY new ideas on how to end their story??? Not a single one??? Just leaves me with nothing to think about or reflect upon by the end. It was just a story about humans being humans in generic ways. There were some good character arcs in there, but none of them were especially revolutionary. They felt good at the time, but they don't stick out in my memory like a Joel Miller, Cloud Strife, or Kratos.
Ultimately, FFXVI was a really flashy experience, but all of that pizzazz never translated into any *ideas* that will really stay with me. The titan fight and bahamut fight will stay with me because they were insane and crazy, but they're just cool boss fights.
I'd say this game was about as impactful as an Octopath Traveler game. Fun while it lasts, an enjoyable experience, something I'd recommend, but I'm not gonna swear by it. For a mainline FF entry, I guess I kind of just expected them to swing for the fences, and while they did from a production standpoint, they really didn't from an *ideas* standpoint. It could also be argued they haven't done that in over a decade, so maybe I should have stopped hoping a long time ago, but still, their whole marketing push was "this is going to put FF back on the map." As it is, FFXVI is not the kind of game I would consider being "on the map." Death Stranding was more interesting, God of War Ragnarok was more interesting, Elden Ring was more interesting, Nier Automata was more interesting, like there have been games within the last 5 years that have been had way more interesting ideas than this game, and I just think it's a real shame that such a behemoth of a franchise can't do anything more than be flashy.
ffxiv is still pretty much the place to go when you want the franchise to be doing a lot more than just being flashy (although it is also flashy too)
@@MalkuthSephira I'm about halfway through Shadowbringers and so far I'd have to completely disagree. I really like the game for the gameplay and I enjoy having a long MMO to work my way through, but I think the music is unimpressive and the story is all over the place. I loved the climactic fight at the end of ARR, I loved the events in Ul'Dah right at the end of post-ARR, I loved all the stuff with any of the dragons in Heavensward, I loved the Yotsuyu storyline post-Stormblood, and I love the setting shift in Shadowbringers and I'm really enjoying the dynamic between Thancred and Menphilia and how complicated their relationship is, but at the same time I hated how they wrapped up/butchered the Ul'Dah storyline, I hated everything with Thordran and Azys Lla, I hated pretty much everything in post-Heavensward, I couldn't care less about almost anything in Stormblood, and I really can't stand the constant fakeout deaths of pretty much anyone and everyone to the point where nothing feels impactful anymore. The fact that, where I'm at in the story, the ONLY characters that have actually died are Haurchefant and Papalymo is laughable. Haurchefant was just a good guy, too bad he had to go like that, not nearly as traumatic as everyone acts like it is, and Papalymo was a total nobody that left no impression on me whatsoever.
I will readily admit that I pretty much haven't been disappointed with anything in Shadowbringers yet and I immediately see why everyone loves Emet-Selch so much, but looking at FFXIV as a whole I just can't say that it's anywhere close to the top of my personal FF list. I haven't played 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, or 11 and only made it halfway through 8, but of the ones I've played, I'd pretty much only put it above 4 and LR. I've had such an infinitely more even experience with all the other games and they all left a better impression on me than XIV has so far. The good moments are not nearly strong enough to counteract the mountains of awful or just mediocre moments.
To each their own though.
This is me nitpicking but you don't need to be cracking jokes in every single scene, otherwise good gameplay.
Here is where true men cry
This is God game.😢
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So I don't think Clive wrote the book. I don't. I think it was Joshua. And I'd like to think that Clive survived, had a child with Jill...
Joshua is dead. He breathed his last after talking to Clive. And it’s been flat out stated that, in this game, nothing can revive the dead.
@rickyuzumaki695 lemme have my fantasy bro 😭😭😭
@@TheEnder515
Sorry
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annabella did nothing wrong. she was correct, noble blood shouldnt be mixed with commoners
edit: 15 was terrrible. there wasnt even slaves in that game
Lmfao a game is bad because there are no slaves, but you have magitek clones and experiments on both humans and daemons. Media literacy out the window.
>annabella did nothing wrong.
SIMP
also please *PLEASE* let's not have FFXVI-2, it NEVER ended up good for FF's to have "-2"s
Press f tou pei repkat
Thumbnail spoilers bruhhhhh
So.. for the ppl that didnt pay atention.
Clive is dead.
Joshua is dead.
Dion is uncertain if that last blast and the fall killed him.
Now for the healing scene - Clive healed his brothers body as he didnt wanted to see it defiled like that. Ppl spinning the "he is alive" clearly didnt pay atention to what Clive says about the power he has. And ppl asking "why heal him if he is dead" i'll ask you this, When a person dies, why bathe him and clean him up to look presentable for his burial? smh...
Now for the book - The Book at the end was indeed writen by Joshua as Tomes mentions that in a sidequest, that he is recording everything that happend on their journey. Now for who finish and publishes it, either Tomes himself or Jote (that some ppl seem to forget that she exists and the book might be in her possession after they fly off to the crystal which i bet thats the case).
Now for my favorite.. Metia and the Moon along with Jill and their meaning
Some ppl rly either misinterpreted or just didnt pay atention to what it was said so here
Jill often mentions Metia and how she ALWAYS KNOWS CLIVE IS OK and WILL COMEBACK when SHE LOOKS AT THE SKY because Metias light was like a signal that he was alive
This gets mentioned soooo many times and its how its linked to the ending of the star losing its light when Clive passes away. Jills reaction is the understanding of this and why she cries.
The Sunrise - Jill looking at sunrise and "stops crying" is not Clive coming back but she is looking at the fulfilment of their journey, to give the world a new beginning and since runrise is tied to beginnings, thats the only meaning it has here.
Now... i love this game but i hate this ending. We followed the journey of a man who lost it all, gave himself to revenge only to find out he was the one to blame. Gets saved by those from his past (Jill and Torgal) and new companions (Cid, Gav and the whole lot). Loses his mentor but gains hope that his Brother is alive. Goes on to make a bunch of promises (the more meaningful ones to Jill like traveling the world together and stuff) only to just fulfill one which is cleanse the world from magic... and dies when everyone around him told him to LIVE this through, specially Cid..
We do have hope, and for those questioning this hope is called Leviathan. Clive never had the perfect Vessel and that was Ultimas miscalculation and the main reason why its plan would never worked out like Clive mentions it at the end (not directly but he does mention that the power he has with that vessel are not all that it is)
We all know that the Perfect Vessel is all the Eikons fused into one body so my take on it is that the Leviathan DLC will give us a diferent ending IF THE DEVS make it so... which i hope they do.
I loved every single step i took with Clive and everyone around him and i truly think that this aint the way to end this story. The man deserves a happier ending
dude, what a troll. Clive is dead, he said himself that this vessel is not strong enough. but Joshua is alive. we don't see him write no book during the whole game, not even a hint of it. he did it after the game's events. which means he survived.
the game pulled FFX here on us - we thought Joshua would be the one to die, but the game subverts it at the very end.
@blango-san Troll? Ok.. huh.. Tomes mentions that Joshua is writing a book about all they experienced and that he would be a great scholar one day. If you missed this then.. i'm sorry? This explains the book bit.
Also who publishes the book? You have some options.. Tomes, Jote or even Jill..
Now the "Joshua is alive" bit. He is not. I would love to be wrong, but everything points that he isn't. He died after he gave Clive the Phoenix Eikon. And if you want to pull the "he healed him at the end so he is alive", then u missed the meaning of that "heal". I went through the game multiple times, all the side quests again and tried to find anything that would pull away from what i've said and found nothing. You can disagree with what i've said, i dont mind, everyone has their opinions and views about things, but dont call me a troll.
@@pod27 now did Tomes say exactly that, in those words? I honestly don't remember, but what I do remember is that Tomes said that Joshua _might_ become a great scholar one day, referencing to his thorough study of Ultima, which did nit entail any book whatsoever.
@@blango-san i forgot when exactly he mentions this but its shortly after Joshua joins the hideaway. But basicly the book is a product of both the Undying and Joshua. I paused my latest playthrough rn to wait for the second DLC and will prolly do another full play. i will then record when these bits of info come out. Sry i cant be more accurate. But you are on point there, Tomes does say that, that he has a "rare gift".
I'm one of the people who prefer Clive to be dead. I hate the ' only MC survive' trope.
It's either all survive or all dead for me.
Joshua's death scene was great. It would feel cheap to bring Joshua back after that tribute imo.
As for Dion, if Clive can go the offscreen survive trope, so can he lol. He defo need that because his death is unneeded and unsatisfactory.
The copium in the comments
Please dont make this another instance of over analyzing the "blue curtains"..... The book has Joshua's name on it because he wrote it... he is alive.... God i hate when people try to find some deep meaning behind some straight forward detail where there is none. You'd all make great english teachers though -_-