The Entire Zelda Universe Explained in 33 Minutes

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  • @TheMentok
    @TheMentok  6 місяців тому +206

    This video features just under 50 different songs from the Zelda series, handpicked by me. They're all in the description if you enjoy any of them!

    • @hydrotatsumaster
      @hydrotatsumaster 6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for including the song credits. Not enough people do that. You're great.

    • @Lord_Malkior
      @Lord_Malkior 6 місяців тому +1

      The two oddball picks. 💀

    • @Retroman8000
      @Retroman8000 6 місяців тому

      Which ones are which did u list them? My CD that came with the game doesn't work

    • @Retroman8000
      @Retroman8000 6 місяців тому

      Just found the list, next time put the credits on screen and I'll put u in for an Oscar. Btw it's a long video, why u reading so fast? We already here watching

    • @Lord_Malkior
      @Lord_Malkior 6 місяців тому

      @@Retroman8000 On a scale from zero-orbital, how high are you?

  • @damiencouturee6240
    @damiencouturee6240 6 місяців тому +292

    "Seals are meant to be broken" footage is absolutely awesome lmfao. This channel rocks

    • @roguecalvinist
      @roguecalvinist 5 місяців тому

      Seals are meant to be broken LOL

  • @eleezakhan7838
    @eleezakhan7838 5 місяців тому +133

    “Hyrule which seems to be allergic to peace”
    WHY IS IT SO TRUE THO I CANT STOP LAUGHING

  • @chrisdaley7581
    @chrisdaley7581 5 місяців тому +63

    So, I've been a fan of LoZ for about 30 years and have watched quite a explanation videos. This has to be the single most comprehensive explanation of the timeline that I've ever seen. The storytelling and weaving is so on point, and the jumping back and forth between alternate realities made this so digestible. Great job here!

  • @LozMajM
    @LozMajM 6 місяців тому +277

    One detail I really liked about ToTK's ending is that Link grabs hold of Zelda's hand, mirroring the beginning of Skyward Sword when Link reaches out for Zelda and misses, causing her to fall to the surface and cause the entire series to happen in the first place. Not sure if it was intentional or not, but I like to think it is

    • @winzygamer7086
      @winzygamer7086 5 місяців тому +23

      Yeah i thought the same too. When he said "he caught her this time", i thought about the parallel between that and zelda falling in skyward sword

    • @tumultuousv
      @tumultuousv 4 місяці тому +27

      It's definitely more in line with when Link misses Zeldas hand at the beginning of Tears of the Kingdom itself. That being a parallel with skyward sword is pretty possible though.

    • @Ceobeatmaker
      @Ceobeatmaker 4 місяці тому +5

      A good theory that's out there is that the 3 Zeldas, Sky, BOTW and TOTK directed by the same guy are interactions of the triforce...
      Sky=Power
      BOTW=Wisdom
      TOTK=Courage
      Color schemes and gameplay reflects these themes and is a possibility why that missed catch in Sky and the beginning of TOTK are book ended by the end of TOTK.

    • @Orangenugg7
      @Orangenugg7 4 місяці тому +2

      Honestly my theory is that Botw and Totk are a completely different thing and all the references are merely fairytales

    • @logicaldude3611
      @logicaldude3611 2 місяці тому

      It also mirrors the beginning of this game, which I think is the intent.

  • @SayisSpeakin
    @SayisSpeakin 6 місяців тому +92

    16:49 best moment in the whole video I jumped out my chair lmaooo

    • @lpstweetytv5242
      @lpstweetytv5242 5 місяців тому +4

      He said what we were all thinking XD

  • @bogwitchsophie
    @bogwitchsophie 6 місяців тому +236

    Mentok out here knowing we needed our fix.

    • @TheMentok
      @TheMentok  6 місяців тому +29

      Maan, it’s been too long since the last one. Time flies. I need to post more 😅

    • @etherealdragon207
      @etherealdragon207 6 місяців тому +2

      Addict

  • @firionkaiser8291
    @firionkaiser8291 6 місяців тому +86

    One correction.
    The Link in Triforce Heroes is confirmed to be the same one from ALBW.
    On the other hand, the name Princess Zelda I suggests that after the original tradition of naming Zelda after SS Zelda may have been forgotten after the events of ALBW/TFH and Possibly Echoes of Wisdom. To the point where Sleeping Zelda is considered the first Zelda in Hyrule. Which is also why it becomes a law once again.
    WW Link's grandmother may have implied that Link is related to MC Link via the Family Heirloom which is the same shield both MC Link and FS Link used. Although she believes that the HoT used it.

  • @lunarlakes
    @lunarlakes 5 місяців тому +21

    3:14 Demise only curses Zelda's bloodline, he curses the "spirit of the hero" for Link. So SS Link's descendants are likely not the other Links we see in the other games. iirc the only Link's that are related are the Hero of Time and the Hero of Twilight.

    • @lunarlakes
      @lunarlakes 5 місяців тому

      Take a shot every time I wrote Link

    • @kingdaniel3519
      @kingdaniel3519 3 місяці тому +1

      Well, they're the only ones we know for SURE are directly related.

  • @AngelPerez-tu1nk
    @AngelPerez-tu1nk 6 місяців тому +99

    Hyrule is one of my favorite worlds in fiction. If only it got a break from that goddamned curse

    • @etherealdragon207
      @etherealdragon207 6 місяців тому +4

      The question is, would people accept a change in the status quo. Despite there are games where he is not the villain, original fans might not accept it. As someone who played played Zelda since the Nintendo era, I'm fine with Demise being permanently killing him and letting a new evil replace him.

    • @AngelPerez-tu1nk
      @AngelPerez-tu1nk 6 місяців тому +4

      @@etherealdragon207 It has been proven to work and allow Ganondorf to be used as something else

    • @TheMentok
      @TheMentok  6 місяців тому +14

      I will say this, as I was going through this video, it was refreshing seeing other villains aside from Ganon.

    • @AngelPerez-tu1nk
      @AngelPerez-tu1nk 6 місяців тому

      @@TheMentok Amen

    • @toumabyakuya
      @toumabyakuya 6 місяців тому +1

      @@etherealdragon207 I know I would be fine with it. I would also be fine with a Zelda game that's not a Dungeon Crawler, there are a lot of other genres that they could try: Turn-based RPG, Grid-based Tactical RPG, Visual Novel, you name it.

  • @etherealdragon207
    @etherealdragon207 6 місяців тому +68

    Surprised they haven't tried to use the Triforce to prevent Ganondorf from being reborn.

    • @tryingbridge2548
      @tryingbridge2548 6 місяців тому +13

      Likely none of the past incarnations knew about the curse. Only way they could is if Fi woke again.

    • @kze24
      @kze24 6 місяців тому +2

      @@tryingbridge2548 Or if Hylia told them about the curse

    • @lightyoshiman
      @lightyoshiman 6 місяців тому +3

      @@tryingbridge2548 yea for the most part every time ganondorf is defeated zelda and link think its for good its only a century or so later that he breaks out and zelda and links reincarnation find out he's been doing this for century's now and most of the time the triforce isn't even available or with in their grasp

    • @winzygamer7086
      @winzygamer7086 5 місяців тому +3

      ​@@tryingbridge2548zeldas been having mad convos with fi tho in botw and totk

    • @mostlyimpulsive3462
      @mostlyimpulsive3462 5 місяців тому +1

      Also even if they stop Ganondorf from ever being reborn again, Demise's curse will simply manifest as some other jerk stomping in, like with Malladus, Veran, or Vaati.

  • @Raliceia96
    @Raliceia96 6 місяців тому +68

    My theory is that TotK takes place on an alternate timeline created by SS, and that BotW takes place on that timeline, concurrent to the events of the child timeline.

    • @UselessGoddess378
      @UselessGoddess378 6 місяців тому +6

      Possibly in the world of the past Demise was slain in. Because even if the game doesn't acknowledge it- c'mon, that's a timeline split.
      It definitely can't be Adult (Hyrule was literally wished away and is eternally under the sea) and while it could be downfall considering Ganon is kind of a mindless monster 100% of the time in it I'd consider it unlikely. (Edit: and Ganon was super dead in AoL AND Link managed to get the whole Triforce iirc getting Courage at the end. Also the weirdness the entire Late Downfall is.) I'm pretty sure that Ocarina happened in some capacity in the BotW timeline because of the Temple of Time and general continuity stuff and all that, but I dunno.

    • @Raliceia96
      @Raliceia96 6 місяців тому

      That's what I was thinking

    • @mikethehunter5212
      @mikethehunter5212 6 місяців тому

      It is odd that Nintendo doesn't even acknowledge that as a possibility considering the switch port coming out between BOTW and TOTK. Almost as if they're the only three connected to one another. That's my theory as well until proven otherwise. Makes everyone happy imo.

    • @mythosinfinite6736
      @mythosinfinite6736 5 місяців тому +2

      It'd work well if it wasn't for the Zora historical records in TotK and BotW recording events from other timelines, such as Princess Ruto being trapped in JabuJabu.

    • @Raliceia96
      @Raliceia96 5 місяців тому

      @@mythosinfinite6736 Princess Ruto was trapped in JabuJabu in OoT, which is the beginning of the child timeline.

  • @estefanolivares4159
    @estefanolivares4159 5 місяців тому +10

    I love all the Link sound effects when you mention him in his games.

  • @coledetlor6693
    @coledetlor6693 4 місяці тому +28

    I like the game theorists idea that Hyrule Warriors is in the timeline just before botw and that's where all 3 timeline connect

    • @chancepaladin
      @chancepaladin Місяць тому

      agreed, HW actually ties it all together pretty well, along with tingle, linkle, etc.

  • @nelsonv1953
    @nelsonv1953 5 місяців тому +9

    I love the way you mixed in BotW and TotK after the timelines.

  • @epicbrady1662
    @epicbrady1662 5 місяців тому +12

    Echos of wisdom goes after link returns from koholint island to the hyrule of a link to the past

  • @philosophicaljay3449
    @philosophicaljay3449 6 місяців тому +28

    12:48
    Actually, not a new Link, that is A Link Between World's Link.

  • @lightyoshiman
    @lightyoshiman 6 місяців тому +15

    Mentok our here explaining the Zelda lore better than Nintendo themselves

  • @Knight_Dragon
    @Knight_Dragon 4 місяці тому +4

    One theory I really like is that the past we see in TotK is actually set after the events of Windwaker, iirc a developer said that the Hyrule we see in the past could actually be a rebuilt hyrule, so what’s 10,000 years in the past in TotK could be thousands of years in the future from other games. Why windwaker specifically? Because we find rock salt everywhere in the game, which is commonly found in places that used to be submerged by ocean , and hyrule was flooded prior to the events of windwaker, and could’ve drained sometime before the past seen in TotK, letting settlers rebuild

  • @JitterBob
    @JitterBob 6 місяців тому +16

    What an awesome video!! The timeline of Zelda is super interesting. It may be a bit convoluted in some places, but I’m impressed that they made such a valiant effort to even make it a timeline at all.

  • @chrislevack405
    @chrislevack405 6 місяців тому +4

    Amazing video. Wonderful pacing... fantastic editing... 10 out of 10

  • @belgarath6388
    @belgarath6388 2 місяці тому +2

    And to think that all of those troubles in Hyrule started with three godesses creating the world, then noping out of there leaving an incredible powerful relic and an unfortunate intern, which they did'nt warn about the sealed demon god, to deal with the mess.

  • @jackmorgan8584
    @jackmorgan8584 6 місяців тому +4

    Mentok well done I’m impressed with your knowledge of the lore and for explaining that annoying timeline split and that demise curse anyway good job on the video can’t wait for the next one.

  • @Damariobros
    @Damariobros 4 місяці тому +3

    19:19 Yo, I did NOT expect a Vaush clip in this video 😭💀

  • @Aurora-qn2dx
    @Aurora-qn2dx 6 місяців тому +8

    I Hope next Zelda Will have Hyrule in it's prime like in oot but with the Freedom to explore of totk.

  • @diegogutierrez7149
    @diegogutierrez7149 5 місяців тому

    This was a fun video. Not the first I've seen on the timeline, but I kind of like how you delivered the lines and all that. Such. Good video

  • @CrepuscularBean
    @CrepuscularBean 5 місяців тому +3

    "allergic to peace" made me snort

  • @TomMooreT2S
    @TomMooreT2S 6 місяців тому +5

    My perspective on the Zelda timeline:
    *Canon Timeline*
    - Skyward Sword
    - Ocarina of Time
    - Majora’s Mask
    - Twilight Princess
    (- Era of Smash Ultimate Princess Zelda living life at the fullest!)
    Note: You noticed I didn’t include Minish Cap. Well, I see it as half canon/noncanon because of all Zeldas, Minish Cap garners the least amount of attention in references. No Zelda since seems to have brought it back up. And the last note there after Twilight Princess, just fan fic I have of a post-Twilight era Hyrule and the world beyond it. I always make up overexaggerated stories of Smash Zelda and her Smashing routines. Hehe…
    *Expanded Timeline*
    - Ocarina of Time (Adult)
    - The Wind Waker
    - Phantom Hourglass
    - Spirit Tracks
    *What-if Timeline*
    - Minish Cap (Link is too late to stop Vaati in final bell chime; Vaati is sealed, not destroyed…)
    - Four Swords
    - Four Swords Adventures
    - A Link to the Past (A Link Between Worlds… I guess…)
    - Oracle of Seasons/Ages
    - Link’s Awakening
    - The Legend of Zelda
    - Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
    Note: What if Vaati succeeded in draining ALL of the Light Force from Zelda? Now THIS is an entire what-if scenario. Four Swords Adventures is supposedly THE sequel to Four Swords. Ganon makes his first appearance as the blue boar-like demon. I put A Link Between Worlds alongside A Link to the Past because it’s a retelling of that game as opposed to being another sequel (albeit more kidified). I didn’t include Tri-Force Heroes because it has no reason at all to be canon to the series and should’ve been its own thing. Yes, after the Oracle titles, Link “dies” at sea after the events of Link’s Awakening… Don’t deny it, Nintendo. *Unless if Echoes of Wisdom says otherwise…*
    Overall note: It’s a loose representation of the Zelda timeline made by Lorulean Historian, but I sorted out the entries due to the inconsistencies made by the Era of the Wild Zelda titles. And Speaking of…
    *Nintendo wanted to start over…*
    - Tears of the Kingdom (Past)
    - First Great Calamity (10,000 years ago)
    - Breath of the Wild (Past)
    - Breath of the Wild (Present)
    - Tears of the Kingdom (Present)
    Note: NO CONNECTIONS to past Zeldas. It’s a reimagining. Why care connecting it to the past? :l

  • @Datboi_Carlos7
    @Datboi_Carlos7 2 місяці тому

    20:29 i cannot take Ganondorf getting killed seriously when he's making that face 💀💀💀💀

  • @2muchvariety
    @2muchvariety 3 місяці тому

    Amazing video, entertaining and informative!!

  • @edbdavis4
    @edbdavis4 3 місяці тому

    13 seconds in and I knew this was going to be 🔥! Love this!🎉🎉

  • @nathancoote
    @nathancoote Місяць тому

    Funny how at 6:09,
    he says that hyrule is alergic to peace.. Lmao.

  • @stormRed
    @stormRed 6 місяців тому +5

    EoW is gonna be sooo interesting

  • @snakejazz
    @snakejazz 6 місяців тому +2

    I'm a third of the way in and I love the pacing-to-clarity ratio, if there's such a thing. Didn't drag on and didn't miss details 🤙🏻🤙🏻

  • @Young_Gil
    @Young_Gil 6 місяців тому +1

    Titles shown on the timeline that are close together basically touching take place in the same era, therefore being the same link for the most part.

  • @KtCleansAlot
    @KtCleansAlot 6 місяців тому +7

    Perfect timing! I'm going to listen to this while I dust my Zelda collection 👌

  • @stuffz1757
    @stuffz1757 6 місяців тому +22

    I despise that no one seems to consider the possibility that the TotK memories are the true founding of Hyrule.

    • @swinto4795
      @swinto4795 6 місяців тому +3

      There are many trust me, yes I see that as a bigger chance than it being several millennias after the other games in some kind of merged timeline. The creation story is very similar to skyward sword for it not to be the real founding story lost through generations and changed in the way that it started to revolve around 3 main characters.

    • @Clyde-S-Wilcox
      @Clyde-S-Wilcox 6 місяців тому +7

      Nope. Too many references to previous games. The founding of Hyrule by Rauru takes place many years after the previous kingdoms have vanished and the broken timelines have healed back into one. There's no other explanation for the BotW scene in which Zelda references past events across all the timelines.

    • @KaitouKaiju
      @KaitouKaiju 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Clyde-S-Wilcoxthe explanation could be her time powers gave her visions

    • @stuffz1757
      @stuffz1757 6 місяців тому +3

      @@Clyde-S-Wilcox There's zero evidence of the "past kingdom" vanishing or even existing. As far as the game is concerned there's only one Hyrule. Moreover there's no evidence of the timelines merging, or even any implications that that's possible. If you're gonna suggest something that is purely based off of headcanoning, like the refounding idea is, you might as well just assume the Ancient Sheikah had the power to look into other timelines or possibly travel to them, which better explains the presence of multiple timelines being referenced without having to assume all of the other nonsense of a refounding.
      Edit: this post sounds way meaner than I intended it to, my apologies.

    • @mikethehunter5212
      @mikethehunter5212 6 місяців тому

      Some people place it before the events of Skyward Sword. Either way, too many inconsistencies for a definitive placement. Best one I've seen is SS (past where Demise is killed), BOTW, and TOTK all take place in a separate timeline.

  • @jodybeck2779
    @jodybeck2779 2 місяці тому

    Great vid dude

  • @Ferry1411
    @Ferry1411 3 місяці тому

    Amazing work! Tinashe's nasty caught me off guard lmao

  • @yithanong7593
    @yithanong7593 4 місяці тому +1

    So basically all the calamity in the Zelda universe could have been avoided had the first Zelda and Link not procreate?

  • @zakvillarreal8236
    @zakvillarreal8236 5 місяців тому

    Very nice video! It was cool seeing the story for spirit tracks and phantom hourglass. Never could get into them. I like the Lokomo. Haha. Locomotor. Because it's trains

  • @etherealdragon207
    @etherealdragon207 6 місяців тому +7

    Given the art style of Wisdom, I want to say it is around the time of Link's Awakening.

  • @AGibson723
    @AGibson723 4 місяці тому +1

    If princess Zelda splits the Triforce as a power move to keep it from Ganon, then why are the dungeons full of Ganon's minions?

  • @SN10FILMS
    @SN10FILMS 3 місяці тому

    Okay so I'm new to your channel and man what a find been looking for a story teller to tell the story and break down the timeline for me. Cause I have the Zelda timeline book but still have a hard time figuring out the lost timeline. Now to the end is where more Zelda is the protagonist what's next

  • @aprilbaker1264
    @aprilbaker1264 4 місяці тому +3

    Lmfao 16:00

  • @123carol321
    @123carol321 4 місяці тому +1

    Minish cap was my first zelda game ❤

  • @IceAngel_LR
    @IceAngel_LR 4 місяці тому

    Fantastic explanation!❤❤

  • @fearXtheXfro
    @fearXtheXfro 6 місяців тому +3

    Finally cookin again

  • @WeOnlyEatSoup
    @WeOnlyEatSoup 2 місяці тому

    Now THAT was a Zelda video 🔥🔥🔥

  • @Maddyellie
    @Maddyellie 2 місяці тому

    Laughed the Australia reference thank you! From an Australian

  • @mikaproler
    @mikaproler 6 місяців тому +3

    Just in time for my lunch

  • @lukejones7164
    @lukejones7164 6 місяців тому +9

    The era of Rauru & Sonia is suppose to be after Skyward Sword and before everything else

    • @JaidynReiman
      @JaidynReiman 6 місяців тому +5

      This is based on the refounding theory which allegedly Fujibayashi also backed up. Ironically, though, Fujibayashi's comment was discussing a possible refounding of Hyrule after Skyward Sword under the assumption that Hyrule was founded immediately at the end of Skyward Sword (which actually doesn't happen in game). So Fujibayashi himself doesn't even know the lore of some of the more recent games.
      The person he was interviewing mentioned Hyrule being founded at the end of Skyward Sword. The game never says this and even Hyrule Historia says the founded happened some time later. Fujibayashi doesn't debunk the idea Hyrule was founded at the end of SS, but mentions "maybe it was possibly redounded later".
      However, the in game backstory of the TOTK founding of Hyrule does somewhat line up with the idea of Hyrule Historia's Era of Chaos immediately being followed by the kingdom being established. Ganondorf heavily implies that before the Zonai arrived the land was filled with war and chaos.
      However, people take issue with other connections to the lore such as the Zonai never being mentioned, a Ganondorf predating OOT, the style of the character clothing being way different from SS and MC/OOT, etc

    • @jesusalonso2179
      @jesusalonso2179 5 місяців тому

      Nope. That is nothing BUT A RETCON!!!!

  • @Dezturbed
    @Dezturbed 19 днів тому

    My Zelda Timeline Solution
    I wondered why I haven't seen anyone mention this solution before so, considering the most recent gametheory, I thought I'd toss it in and see what you guys think.
    Imagine Zelda's timeline is actually a circular "time-loop" instead, with no end or beginning, just a perpetual cycle.
    So what if they are hinting at the timeline "turning" out to be a circle instead of the assumed time line that we are all assuming. That would explain why Ganon would be below Hyrule, percievably before he first appeared, but in actuality he is there from the 'end' of the last cycle. Then you have those alternate branches coming off the main timeloop, which could exist due to repercussions from using time travelling magic.
    It would just require the understanding that the Triforce exists outside of time so when Link goes back in time to fight as a child, (he is dividing the power of the Triforce between his older self and his younger self, which ends up acting like a coinflip where both the heads and tails sides must always occur.
    So he CAN go back to become successful earlier, but when he does this he ends up commiting to all possibilities. Now, with these outcomes being required through the Triforce and Link simultaneously altering their own history, we can acknowledge that when his older self trys and succeeds in going back to his childhood, it requires that this Links childhood did not have a successful battle against Ganon in it, essentially meaning he "failed" to defeat him as a child which leads to him ultimately becoming successful when he's older.
    Also, because we know his younger self is successful after going back, we become unable to balance the Triforces need for all potentials to exist because after his successful childhood battle with Ganon, his older self wouldn't be able to fail or succeed. Meaning that we have a success without a failure to balance it.
    (This is why, when the Triforce is used to travel back in time it also creates a parallel timelinea where it does not exist but a Link does because the older Link becomes his child form and is put in the place of his truly younger self, who is now the unfortunate Link who must deal with being in a hopeless timeline which only exists to ensure a different Link can beat Ganon twice.)
    So, that is where the dark timeline comes in, where Link fails as a child and as an adult.
    (Note- this branch always bugged me before because of its lack of connection compared to the clear line we see contextually connecting the first two timelines. Link trains, fights Ganon as adult and wins, travels back in time, Defeats Ganon as child then becomes the skeleton teacher dude in twilight princess or something. But why is there a whole other Link)
    Now, with this theory, we have a contextual link for why there must be a Link that never time travels and doesn't have the power of the Triforce and ends up failing against Ganon as a kid and then again as an adult. (The Triforce couldn't defeat the same Ganon at the same time as the other Link or this loser link would have just been that previous Link at an earlier phase of his travels. So he must be entirely independent of the other, hero Link in the failure timeline. Well, now we know, it's the Link that was pushed out to make room for the first Link to come back.)
    So you get
    1. Young-Fail leads to Old-win (time travels)
    2. Young-Win
    3. Young-Fail leads to Old-Fail
    And with those three branches in place you now have the setup for the Hyrule warriors games making everything remerge and ultimately leading to the events of the BOTW and TOTK.
    Then those story's move forward until you get back to the time travel moment and it all keeps turning.
    Also, I like how this makes the successful Links journey the embodiment of the Triforce itself.
    First hes just Link, using his COURAGE to defeat Ganon.
    Then he uses his new POWER to time travel and defeat Ganon when young.
    Then thirdly, he becomes the bestower of WISDOM for a new hero, enabling that Links success against Ganon.
    And lastly, we have the failure timeline Link, who represents the space on the Triforce where an implied triangular hollow exists between the individual pieces.
    I hope whoever reads this enjoys it, I didn't really know where to put it, I just got flustered by never seeing any of these ideas in the content I watch so thought I should put it somewhere cause it's kinda neat.
    Hope this was easy enough to understand and brought a smile to your face along the way. Lol

  • @jmw__
    @jmw__ 6 місяців тому

    “Somehow, Vaati returned”
    I feel like we’ve seen this before

  • @Cure-Skywalker
    @Cure-Skywalker 5 місяців тому +1

    I have 2 different theories about how BotW-TotK fit.
    1. Skyward Sword did a Ocarina of Time and creates a timeline split with all the time traveling they do in the game.
    2. The Goddess look at the split timelines spreading further and further apart and said "fucking hell with this shit. Enough!" and merged the timelines back into 1.
    Also Echo probably takes place around the same general time of Link to the Past/Link Between worlds given the similar map design.

    • @OliverStabile
      @OliverStabile 5 місяців тому

      Number is my head cannon now

  • @ClaireS-op8id
    @ClaireS-op8id 4 місяці тому

    31:10
    Help, this killed me

  • @andrewmolk8557
    @andrewmolk8557 2 місяці тому

    Echoes comes with an explanation for the very very very beginning of their universe also quite possibly the creator of demise himself

  • @aidan3262
    @aidan3262 5 місяців тому

    The big qestion remaining for me: How does Zelda exist as an immortal dragon while the events of BOTW occur at the same time?

  • @kloassie
    @kloassie 6 місяців тому +3

    Well as long as there aren't any plot holes in the lore 🤷

  • @zombiesouffle
    @zombiesouffle 6 місяців тому

    Your commentary is so freaking funny

  • @tigersnakegaming5530
    @tigersnakegaming5530 2 місяці тому

    Echoes of wisdom would have to introduce a time split at the moment of the creation of the light world. Demise owns one timeline, Null owns the other. From this timeline Nintendo can come up with new ideas.

  • @DanteCrowlley
    @DanteCrowlley 6 місяців тому +3

    Its interesting how many japanese/asian contents have heavy inpirations on Kabbalah n other systems

  • @briandudley4637
    @briandudley4637 2 місяці тому

    Note. The skyward sword link is only the first link in the games, he is already a reincarnation of the first link who was a direct champion for hylia in her original time.

  • @Silails
    @Silails 4 місяці тому +1

    Fi is pronounced /ˈfaɪ/ and her name in every other languages is written "Fay" which is in all of these languages closely pronounced the same as how her name is pronounced in Japanese (ファイ (Fai)). Plus her name is literally Fairy without the salt of "Fee" gang (reeeeeee)
    Also her name is probably inspired by Morgan le Fay (/ˈfeɪ/) which is derived from the french word "fée" (/fe/)
    Also also, every time you pronounce Fi as "Fee" a little children dies somewhere on earth, hope you're happy
    Jokes aside good video
    (Ps: yes I'm passionate about that because "Fee" sounds disgusting to my ears :)

  • @Solar_gameX
    @Solar_gameX 4 місяці тому

    Usually in Zelda games sequels are one after another so I think echos of wisdom will go after link’s awakening cuz it takes place after link wakes up the wind fish and goes back to hyrule where Ganon sealed Zelda and link brakes her free. That’s all the info I could get from the trailer

  • @psychedelicartistry
    @psychedelicartistry 4 місяці тому

    8:05 LOL 😂 😂

  • @mariekelly5627
    @mariekelly5627 6 місяців тому +1

    I think the king;s decree makes sense if you consider it a case of tradition vs law. Originally, it was just traditional to name a Princess Zelda, the decree made it any princess HAS to be named Zelda. Also, I also wonder how extensive the royal family is. Does Zelda have any second or third or fourth cousins also named Zelda? Or is it just direct lineage to the throne? That must make for an interesting family reunion.

    • @JaidynReiman
      @JaidynReiman 6 місяців тому +2

      My assumption was it was always the firstborn daughter of the current King.

  • @TheBoneHeadClan
    @TheBoneHeadClan 6 місяців тому +1

    thx for this recap
    confusing af series

  • @canaanmorgan4323
    @canaanmorgan4323 4 місяці тому

    A minor correction, the link from a link to the past and links awakening is the same link going into the oracle games

  • @drchrisbartlett
    @drchrisbartlett 3 місяці тому

    31:54 🎉. Sassy video. Loved it.

  • @Darkfrogplays
    @Darkfrogplays 4 місяці тому

    I think that the memories in totk are actually a different (maybe because of combination of timelines in the world of botw) version of the events of oot and alttp and the time inbetween because the light sage in oot is named rauru ofcourse the imprisoning war is after the downfall of link and the timeline roster also states that ganondorf became demon king ganon(dorf) in oot.. (edit:) also in tp we see ganon get "executed" and has that mark on his chest and in totk in around the same area is where ganon loses gloom due to what i think is a wound created by rauru's arm and that the "combination of timelines" was the reason the ancient history is a little different from what happens in the games in that time. This might also be stating that botw and totk might be more remeniscent of the downfall timeline.. links "death" in botw might also be a nod to this

  • @octorokreviews
    @octorokreviews 6 місяців тому +9

    Just to add my two cents: Wind Waker was the game that destroyed the Zelda timeline, not Ocarina of Time. In context of its release date, Ocarina of Time had a very straightforward placement in the timeline: it's a prequel to A Link to the Past, detailing the historic events of the Sealing War as mentioned in that game. Then Eiji Aonuma decided he wanted to make a pirate game for children, but he also had to make it a sequel to Ocarina of Time, so he wrote a story where Hyrule is flooded and gets destroyed forever. Except... now there's no Hyrule anymore, which means that A Link to the Past can't happen. And since Wind Waker flopped commercially, Aonuma couldn't justify creating a sequel to his new Great Sea universe (which was his original intention), and so was forced to make Twilight Princess - which also contradicted A Link to the Past's narrative by killing off Ganondorf.
    Skyward Sword, and the Hyrule Historia they released with it, was essentially just a mad dash by Nintendo to keep people interested in the story of these games - it was not, as marketed, the way the timeline was always meant to play out. You can see that plainly with BotW and TotK: if the Hyrule Historia was actually meant to be the sacred text of the Zelda series' timeline, then why would Nintendo's two most prominent releases since then completely ignore it? Frankly: the Zonai are indicative of everything wrong with modern Nintendo's approach to Zelda storytelling - they have no place in the series' lore or storytelling (instead contradicting it), and will inevitably be written out of the universe altogether come the next game - just like with what happened to the Ancient Sheikha and their technology in TotK.
    Point being: Nintendo doesn't care about this series' storytelling anymore and it frustrates me to no end. I'm coming down to the wire on a four-hour review of Ocarina of Time and it's only made me feel more and more hopeless about the modern Zelda series.
    Anyway, great video dude. The seal jokes got me good.

    • @JaidynReiman
      @JaidynReiman 6 місяців тому +2

      Tbf to OOT/WW, OOT did end on two separate timelines. The game didn't make it exactly clear, but Link goes back in time at the end to meet Zelda which couldn't happen if he went back right to the point where he left (namely after Zelda already fled the castle).
      That said I do agree that WW was what originally killed the timeline because the whole point of LTTP's backstory is that the seven sages sealed Ganon away in the sacred realm which later became the dark world.
      On the other hand, WW was pretty early on in the series. If your complaint is that the modern games don't really care about the story anymore... isn't it really true that they homestly never cared about it very much?
      The devs primarily go about to make a game they want to make. Then they decide on a story later. And because they like to tie it back into primary games they throw together a loose justification for why the story fits together, but that heavily depends on what they already planned for the game.
      Ocarina of Time itself is a great example of this. Because if you nitpick the story it is 100% impossible to be the Imprisoning War mentioned in LTTP's backstory. Despite being that's what the devs actually said it was at the time, and the story loosely follows that plot thread.
      However, Link does wield the Master Sword, which the knights of Hyrule were incapable of doing at the time. Also the imprisoning war is when the blade was forged, but this is contradicted multiple times. In addition, the "descendants of the seven wise men" (sage is a perfectly applicable alternate translation) are all hylian women, but OOT makes the sages all of different races.
      Your very own example of your ideal form of Zelda stories... very much proves that the "modern Zelda story telling" is not a new concept in the slightest. Ocarina of Time is the first time they really tried to put some effort in the story, ans despite trying to be a prequel to LTTP it still completely contradicts everything about it.
      And yes you can handwave it with Fi's comment in Skyward Sword, but it doesn't change the facts. In fact, far more likely that line was included just so they can do whatever they want, still reference prior games, but not be strictly bound to ant of them.

    • @flayron5514
      @flayron5514 6 місяців тому +1

      None of what you said has anything to do with storytelling... Also placing the entire value of Zelda as a series to its timeline continuity is insane.

  • @swinto4795
    @swinto4795 6 місяців тому +5

    Only one contradiction here..."In the beginning there was nothing, then three goddesses pulled up from heaven..." where did the heaven come from if there was nothing?

  • @hyper_lynx
    @hyper_lynx 5 місяців тому

    Interestingly, in OoT, Farore is said to have created "all life *that would uphold the law", referencing the laws of nature Nayru had just made. To me it's not completely clear that that included the demon tribe, but it definitely could have.

  • @Jessica_Kirk
    @Jessica_Kirk 21 день тому +1

    1:43 DÉH?!

  • @ephraimfarmer3928
    @ephraimfarmer3928 4 місяці тому +2

    You forgot age of calamity, I think it's somewhere before botw

    • @SaveMeMoon
      @SaveMeMoon 3 місяці тому

      It's not Canon.

    • @ephraimfarmer3928
      @ephraimfarmer3928 3 місяці тому

      @@SaveMeMoon then botw is non cannon too

    • @SaveMeMoon
      @SaveMeMoon 3 місяці тому

      @@ephraimfarmer3928 Yes it is. The games canon to the franchise are the "The Legend of Zelda" games. Age of Calamity is a Hyrule Warriors game, which Nintendo have clarified are not canon.

  • @Leturane
    @Leturane 4 місяці тому

    My guess for Echo of Wisdom would probably pre date the Link Between World. And the Still World is actually Lorule but the Hylian isnt know about the Lorule yet. Just my wild theory lol

  • @brwnryse
    @brwnryse 3 місяці тому

    If they ever make a Zelda game; they should title it as:
    *The Legend of Zelda: Lost Souls*
    The mechanics of the game would focus on link being able to take the properties of the souls that reside in hyrule - Similar to that of Majoras Mask but you can be of any species. The puzzle solving would be peak.

  • @UltimateBokanator
    @UltimateBokanator 4 місяці тому +1

    Ganondorf is my guy. Fuck Hyrule

  • @HuskiesGaming2000
    @HuskiesGaming2000 5 місяців тому

    There’s echoes of wisdom soon which takes place in the fallen hero I believe

  • @HeroOfHyrule22186
    @HeroOfHyrule22186 6 місяців тому

    Tbh, I'd put eow after alttp. Let me explain.
    In the trailer, we see the alttp overworld. But while Link was fighting Ganon in the beginning, Ganon had a double-sided trident. We don't see that anywhere else but Link's Awakening, where he fought the nightmare of Ganon. Link first has to see him wield a double- sided trident before to dream of him fighting with it.
    Also the art style gave me the impression it would be in the FHT. Especially near Link's Awakening.

  • @Titantitan001
    @Titantitan001 2 місяці тому

    Skyward sword was truly amazing. I enjoyed that game a lot playing the HD remake. Really want to play wind waker and twilight too

  • @gracekim1998
    @gracekim1998 6 місяців тому

    Well this will probably be longer that 33 minutes since there’s many zeldas and Links in history 😳

  • @astranovvaa
    @astranovvaa 2 місяці тому

    Hyrule is allergic to peace 😂😂😂😂

  • @OrbitalFrog_
    @OrbitalFrog_ 6 місяців тому

    My guess is that echos of wisdom goes either in the downfall timeline or after TOTK. While we have seeen boar ganon in other timelines, he’s most prominent in the downfall timeline.

  • @damiencouturee6240
    @damiencouturee6240 6 місяців тому +1

    9:18 the... The right side of the triforce doesn't frickin line up!!! I so wish I didn't notice that lol

  • @anonimase4315
    @anonimase4315 5 місяців тому

    7:40 also known as the basketball timeline

  • @jix2.042
    @jix2.042 2 місяці тому

    all these links, generations upon generations... and all of them love to throw pots

  • @zonaldzuck1859
    @zonaldzuck1859 5 місяців тому

    Had to pause the video and hit the like button when I heard tinashe

  • @elcalabozodelandroide2
    @elcalabozodelandroide2 6 місяців тому

    4:08 i'm pretty sure this isnt the time when that happens

  • @yakotako717
    @yakotako717 6 місяців тому +5

    BotW and TotK is a new, completty undependent timeline for me, with no connections to previous games.

  • @MajinSageofDarkness
    @MajinSageofDarkness 6 місяців тому

    My head hurts! 😂 great video though

  • @tmatch6075
    @tmatch6075 6 місяців тому +8

    The defeated timeline is the timeline where the hero keeps time traveling to a kid and adult and back and forth. Between those 7 years is where there is no hero present to stop Ganandorf. That is the fallen timeline. Not when he dies

    • @Mr_Fragezeichen
      @Mr_Fragezeichen 6 місяців тому +6

      "The Hero of Time's defeat:
      Ganondorf the thief obtained the Triforce of Power and managed to get his hands on Princess Zelda. The Hero of Time, Link, challenged him in a battle that would determine Hyrule's existence, and lost."
      Hyrule Historia (english version) Page 92.

    • @AkiraSeras
      @AkiraSeras 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Mr_Fragezeichena cool theory I saw was basically the fallen timeline is the original timeline because originally Link was meant to wield the Master Sword a lot earlier but ends up dying due to not being ready and inexperienced when wielding it so The Master Sword to go back in time and changes history to then place Link in a 7 year sleep to then have him be better prepared and experienced with the help of the sages changing the course of History and ensuring his success also explaining why that split being earlier compared to the other two splits so around when Link is a child and gets the Master Sword

  • @Syn.
    @Syn. 3 місяці тому

    greatest franchise ever made

  • @alexbenton9364
    @alexbenton9364 2 місяці тому

    We got echos of wisdom now, gotta make a new vid lmao

  • @Octo445
    @Octo445 6 місяців тому

    Was not expecting Vaush in this

  • @ultimate_pleb
    @ultimate_pleb 6 місяців тому +2

    I love it when gannondorf is like
    "it's dorfin' time!"
    And dorfed all over those guys 😂

  • @Symptomatic315
    @Symptomatic315 6 місяців тому

    My guess is Echoes happens around the same time as Awakening.

  • @zedorian6547
    @zedorian6547 6 місяців тому +1

    I see we still believe that BotW and TotK still exist in the original continuity

    • @JaidynReiman
      @JaidynReiman 6 місяців тому +2

      As long as the Zelda team says they do, they do. And so far they have said these games are in the same continuity. We'll see if Master Works: TOTK Edition changes that.

  • @GalekC
    @GalekC 6 місяців тому

    29:49 SUTANDO PROUUUUUD !!