An Average Gamer's Guide: Total War Rome 2 Internal Politics and Civil Wars
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2013
- I go over the internal political system in Rome 2. I explain gravitas, influence and civil wars. I break the whole system down to make it completely understandable for all factions.
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"I am a King and that's all that matters" lol subbed
You and your generals gain gravitas by winning battles. That's the main issue. Also, completing senate missions will gain you influence. If you fail a mission or spend a number of turns in the game without winning battles, the senators of other houses are gonna have more influence than you. That was my mistake in my first playthrough. I went for Syracuse instead of Taracco. Went a decent amount of turns building up armies and constructing buildings, and my family was involved in all kinds of shameful practices, wtf. There was an important issue where a family member of mine had his ward killed to inherit his land, and I decided to do nothing. After a couple turns the population got wind of this and I lost 100 senators. I should have crucified that asshole.
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Mithridatic is Mithridates, and the way of saying venom imunization is Mithridaization because one of the Mithridates was immune to poison
actually if a general turns on you he does take your armies it happened to me.
same
me too
Before now I haven't been paying much attention to my gravitas nor influence. The only reason I've kept it high is because I thought something bad might happen should it fall to low. Thanks for this video, I understand what it all means now.
I am stoked I could help you! Keep on ruling my friend!
You said : letter on i ll explain bribe, marriage etc but you didnt dude! But I CAME HERE FOR THIS!
Excellent explanation of this system. Well done, and thanks for the effort.
Recently got back into PC gaming and picked this up (use to play alot of Medieval total war 1/2 years back).
Even years later this video has been a big help!
good video. few things should be mentioned though. Ambition of characters is affects how much person's gravitas affects your family influence. Generals do not improve Family influence. In order to use their gravitas in to improve your influence, you have to send them home and make them statesmen. Best way improve your family influence is to get them win few battles, get them few promotions and then send them home, hire new guy, adopt him if he is not family member and repeat.
Interesting find my friend. Never heard of such a mechanic. Thanks for the heads up! Prof once again that my viewers are smarter then I am :)
AnAverageGamer this is what i have heard and from experience it seems to be working as described. try and see. let me know if it does not but i think it does.
and how do you actually "send them home" i had guy with over 100 gravitas and wasnt able to figure out how to make him statesman
hcolyle . stop using him as general :) he will go back to statesman.
+hcolyle You have to dispand the general unit from the army itself
Sounds spot on based on all the walls of text i've read on forums and reddit and such thus far. I have no experience myself yet but I think you've nailed it based on those reports and what little information CA has made available. Thanks for consolidating and presenting it for us all!
average gamer these guides are great man iv played total war since the first rome and iv learned a few new things keep it up man ur videos are welll worth the time
As usual great videos mate!
Thanks for explaining this. Currently playing as Julii on Legendary and the Senate Loyalists have just spawned with almost a 9 or 10 armies, half filled with Praetorians. They took over all my Italian provinces in 2 turns because all my field armies were fighting on the front.
This feels like an unfinished mechanic to me and a little OP.
Thank you very much for the compliment. I try my best to get these all out timely and 100% correct which in a 10--20 minute video can be challenging I am finding.
My civil war on my Roman playthrough was utterly pathetic. I already had a huge empire built up and the SPQR rebels took Carthage from me and spawned about 10 Full stack armies and some navies. They then proceeded to basically just sit there and starve to death over the course of 20 turns.
I just joined your Channel, thank you for all of your info. Keep the videos coming.
Really helped me out, awesome work on the subjet.
I am glad it could help! Keep up the good fight!
Great explanation that makes it much clearer. Thanks!
Of course! I am very glad I could help!
Excellent; thanks for sharing! Very well done.
I already have gone through a civil war. Thank the Gods for city walls because all my armies were on the outskirts fighting in Germania and I had absolutely no troops at home. Had to send half my battalions home. I'm happy to say none were spared.
Heck ya man! That's how we do it!
Your very welcome my good sir! I hope you stick around cause I got even more guides coming down the pipe.
Great video! thank you for explaining this. I played as the iceni first (and not rome) because I wanted to get to know the game mechanics first, as CA did not deem it important to include it in the tutorial!
So many years later. But, Thank you. Just getting back into PC gaming as I mistakenly abandoned the "Master Race" for a console. Grabbed this just now on a sale and LOVE it. Not as good as Shogun 2, but still very awesome.
Shogun 2 is my favorite total war of all time. It looks beautiful for a game that was made in like 2011-12? something like that. Great game!
thanks a lot man! I really struggled with this.
this is really really helpfull, thanks Bro!
Of course!! Glad to have helped!
I have yet to start a civil war... But my subjects have rebelled against me. I guess they don't like it when I conquer their kingdom, raze their cities, and subjugate them. But I only take that approach against countries which declare war on me. those I choose to attack I'm a lot nicer to.
Very informative video, much obliged :)
This was very helpfull :D
thanks man, turns out i got my powerful roman empire into a civil war... it scared me cause i didnt know what was going on and then i see 9 full roman loyalist armies spawn from one of my capital of Tarraco.... like what the fuck. idk what im gonna do, but shit is bout to go down lmao, they out number me big time...
1:04 It's "Mithra-day-tic" or maybe "Mithra-dah-tic". Mithradates VI was one of Rome's biggest enemies during the time just before Julius Caesar.
I had a civil war as Pontus, I was playing v. hard, 9 full stacks spawned in the capital, and immediately began to take places although I only had 5 full stacks, it wasn't actually as hard as you might think to grind them down and be rid of them.
I did damage to them by initiating battle and doing damage with ranged units and cavalry then withdrawing before they could do damage back. Several rounds of this made easy work of this seemingly unbeatable task.
They really made this better in the updates
June 2018, playing the Steam version. Currently playing Rome in Republic configuration on normal. 1st Civil War was losing several cities and two armies. 2nd was one agent, a champion, one army and four cities.
Thank you very much!
Thanks dude!
I'm on my 7th playthrough and honestly, I havn't had a civil war and I really want one! I tried this time by securing promotions with successful generals and I still cant tip the thing into civil war.
Which is the oddest desire ever!
The army limit is found in your political panel next to your Imperium. It is increased as your Imperium is increased. Imperium is increased by completing missions, taking territory, gaining victories, and owning wonders.
Great video, answered a lot of questions i had on my mind. but i have one more. Does the military infrastructure in my capital, affect the unit types of the rebels when they spawn next to my capital? So if haven't built up my capital with like elite unit makers. will they just spawn shitty peasant rebellions?
Civil wars are fun though. Surprised me though with 21 full armies, luckily I had 5 full armies in and near the capital. Once they got there (Only 12 armies hit the city, the rest took other settlements from me f-ing my food/eco), but wow one hell of a fun, long, hard battle. Since our units were mostly the same was great.
I won by time oddly enough, had 3 units left and they were on my last capture point, they ran out of time. After a few turns treaty was signed. But damage was done hard.
You should do "Army guide" since it's total war everybody wants huge armies but they don't really know how to set up cities to support their needs, upgrade them, f.eg to build camps in province capital, temples for extra morale, what to research to keep upkeep at minimum.
This is a bad example. You shoulda made a video where there are other family members before you killed them so they can know what to do about it. Thumbing this down.
does having a stateman increase influence more than a general? any use to having a stateman or just have them as a general
It's an odd design choice but I think maybe it's based on how hard it was for them to balance the political system in time. I could be wrong but if people have to deal with constantly breaking up their empire it might take a real long time especially with turns being one whole year.
I think the amount of imperium you have also plays a factor in the rebellion;
I say this because during my second campaign I played as Parthia and I usually had ~50% influence of the court. At one point after conquering the Seleucids I gained 'intimidating' on my imperium bar. And my influence dropped slightly below 50% and a civil war was triggered
I don't think anyone really understands how any of them are triggered exactly. All we have to go on is the information I presented here and anything they clarify in the future.
Thanks
In my province management part 2 video I have a section where I go over the diplomacy screen. What is confusing you about reinforcements?
I'm about 150 turns into my first campaign. I've been sitting consistently above 70% Influence-peaking a few times around 81-82%-since somewhere around turns 75-80. Civil war has never triggered; I have a full stack of Praetorian Guard sitting in Roma, just waiting for it to happen.
Can you pls talk about influence and tell us how can we keep it up or bring it up pls
thanks
No. The only way you can play republic, democracy, tribal or kingdoms is if that is how the faction starts out in the game.
Do you know how they authority, cunning and zeal work for generals? I know one gives the general map movement but other then defense against agent actions what else do they do?
I think I went over a lot of this in my agents guide but I know it's in the encyclopedia. Authority gives most of the general battlefield abilities and helps with public order (I think) at higher levels. Zeal I honestly forget exactly. I think it's Cunning that helps with movement range on the campaign map and against agent actions. Again though you can find all of that in the game's encyclopedia.
I'm rome in my campaign and I was wondering if I needed to go through a civil war to become a dictatorship instead of a Republic
how do i lower my influence without just spreading rumers of assassinating to spend senate seats (I am rome) because i just got through with one civil war and i dont want to take the risk of having another and losing 90% of my armies and 65% of my territory again
In my campaign it says civil strife is imminent although ive already had a civil war. Ive sent all my armies down to Rome and have waited for 8 turns, but nothing. I also have no control of politics so i cant adopt member into my party. I only have one general available from my party and whenever one dies my party members are not present unless its that one guy from my party so Im getting influence shafted by the game AI
i have the same problem, i've defeated the rebels and the civil war is over. but my influence is quite low and i cant do promotions or assasinations to raise it.
Great video, but I'm curious to know. What exactly happens if you defeat the rebel forces and conquer back your territory? What happens if you destroy the rebel faction? A civil war happened when I played as Parthia and I defeated the rebels. I even got the "civil war ends" dialog. But since then, I'm unable to do anything on my politics screen.
It's as if the entire political system is disabled, once the civil war starts.
How you get so many trade deals? i play as Rome, and the other factions dont agree my trade deals no mater how the relations are in green with them.
It is good to get a civil war with cartage and rome because then you get bonuses because you become an empire. But if you dont want to get a civil war keep your influence in the beggining around 90%, and when you gain a lot of territory get down all the way to 45% and stay there simple as that. You shouldnt have any civil war issues then
As Rome, a civil war started in Tarraco (I had 70% influence) and since I had no armies in Hispania I reloaded a quicksave to the previous turn. Then I raised 2 armies in cities close to Tarraco, clicked next turn... but then no civil war triggered. It's been 20 turns at least since that, and I am still waiting for the event. Could I have it again later in this campaign? Thanks
Can you choose Republic/Empire with kingdom based factions?
Anyone know if you kill off the leaders of the other clans or tribes or whatever, who are you recruiting ur new generals/admirals from? does the game give u random guys then?
So the reason the other families have so much influence is because they're the ones i have leading armies on the front line?
Jon Eden Yes, in my campaign the general in the army that you are using to conquer a settlement will gain that territory on the faction political map. That's why I only use my generals of my house to attack, with other houses (generals & their army) to support. So when civil war happens there should be less territory going to rebel houses/factions.
Were you still able to use the political system? i.e, promote, assassinate, marry etc? For me, all those options on the politic screen got disabled.
I am playing as Macedon i had 52% influence my empire has full 14 provinces then when i was at war with another faction the civil war broke out and now the funny thing they have only 1 region a minor city in the center of my empire and they control 12 armies each with 16 units
how do i prevent civil war or get more influence
Can rome eventually choose to be an empire? Or does it stay a republic
Seems like strange civil war mechanics. Surely after a point a particular general (maybe with loads of gravitas) would be able to take their entire armies with them?
Actually.... during launch I played as house Cornelia and I had 4% influence in the senate and I wasn't declared enemy of the state :/. (However I did not finish this campaign due to crashes, but I played as far as conquering all of Spain, Africa and some Gallic territories
i saw your trade partners it.you have sooo much trade partners but in my game THEY ALWAYS SAY NO even if i have gold grain iron etc how do u manage for them to say yes besides money
why would you assassinate a general that you own and control? i had a really great general but was in a different family i accidentally assassinated him :/
Is this guide applicable to Emperor edition?
I played with Rome, Don't know why I had a revolt (40% In the Senate), City Plus 8-10 Almost full stacks. Luckily I had an army in advanced stages of recruitment, and some fleets to eliminate them.
iam playing as rome iam tring to start a civ war and I all most bet the game my influence is at -50 no civ war what so ever
how do i make my political system a republic?
Somebody should test what happens when you lose a civil war.
I've pretty much finished one of the campaigns and it's just me (Rome) and 3 other factions I'm allied with. I want to civil war just for fun but I'm still finding it hard to turn the scales.
just raise taxes to ridiculous levels, also only put your family members in positions of power and just piss them off really haha
I'm the only faction now. I've placed the taxes on the highest amount, promoted all of my family members which most have 3 ambition and high gravitas yet the scales are not changing. The only thing that is happening is that all of my family members are like 60 years old and dying so wtf do I do? lol.
How does it work with a democratie like Athens ? Because its saying im in imperium and civil war is brewing and do only other families try to takeover?
Explain of Slave Revolts / Rebellions?
I played a campaign as Rome, and usually captured slaves after a victorious battle. I guess I had too many because I would have frequent revolts. It happened that after I'd end one revolt, another start. It became such a problem because my armies would have to stay in the Italian peninsula. And the slaves would constantly sack cities and cause economic problems. I started losing territory and eventually the Roman Empire collapsed under its own weight.
"AAG", do you have enough advice on
1) how to decide to kill, release, or enslave captives (do you have a system?)
2) how to quickly deal with slave revolts.
3) how to distribute home defense armies evenly to quickly deal with revolts and invasions, without too much upkeep costs
Spencer Miller I think that you accidentally created a very accurate representation of how western Rome fell.
Were you invaded by the Germanic peoples while all this happened? If you were, I will fanboy so hard right now. I'm history nerd, I am so sorry.
why you replying to such an old comment smh
Is Rome the only republic in the game where you can get to high and get a civil war?
SkillaWillits nope
Pontus!
Has anyone managed to avoid a civil war throughout an entire campaign?
And how do the promotions work towards political power?
Promotions add gravitas and gravitas increases your control over the senate, council, or whatever.
An Average Gamer do you have a famlity three just like shogun 2 where you can do political mariges or its just like angry joe s revew was at relist just random guy that after his death is replaced with another random guy
Dude this is weird as fuck cause Influence bar also contributes to Civil War, a ton of generals and 10 unit armies popped up next to Rome. My influence for both other and royal family was 50% each so I'm pretty astounded.
I have 0% influence with Sparta since 100 rounds now and i can't change this with ANY possible way that i've tried!! Can anyone PLEAASE help me?
Do you have to be on hard difficulty for them to trigger
Nope. :)
Still don't know how it's triggered for Athens
If you play as rome and you win the war. You can chose republik or empire thats all i know
My roman republic started a civil war. They took the capital, not what you said.
I had 2 civil wars so far in the same campaign...
+pretoriuz woooooow, i recomend you to stop playing this game and go play minecraft...
im sparta and its so hard to gain influence, its stupid
Yes If you win the war
I am actually making 18000 gold from trade alone without having a bunch of farm lol
who is watching this in 2019
I ended the civil war by eliminate them. it was´t easy
Unfortunately this is Outdated
Leader of the Meh...
How do i start my civil war?? i have 66% of the senate as rome and all the generals are basically my family and house of junia. I want civil war!!!!!
A civil war spawns 7-8 full stacked armies at your capitals, why would you want that?
I am the senate
I still don't fucking get it.
The AvAverage Gamer that made the video is right as thats how its suppose to work in theory. Alas in practical form, that will say in the game, Its broken and dont work properly. The Political system isnt thought out properly, its tacked on in the last minute feature. Once you get around 50-120 hours or moore like me you see a constant pattern of missing stuff and unfinished stuff. The game came out half baked half finished with some desperate fillers or placeholders. Shame on CA for this!