For all future video's: It is "Prinkipes" in classical Latin. In general the Latin grapheme ⟨c⟩ is the Latin phone [k], which is always pronounced hard as k in sky, never soft as in cellar, cello, or social. ⟨k⟩ is a letter coming from Greek, but seldom written as such and generally replaced by c. Triarii for example would be pronounced with 3 times the same i-sound of ea in easy. Not Triari-eye.
However no one is really 100% sure about this? And the language has been used / changed over 1000+ years. In the beginning no one even wrote down much spelling rules. So it doesn't really matter how you pronounce it because I can be correct ? Does this makes sense?
@@rubenheymans1988 yeah, I think it makes sense. I think most of the "correct" pronunciation of dead languages derives from the pronunciation of the child languages. For instance: "CH" in Italian always has a "K" sound. It's not irrational to argue that a "C" in Latin would sound like a "CH" in Italian, since Italian basically derived fully from Latin.
@@rubenheymans1988 Of course 100% sure no one will ever be, but there is a lot of evidence that suggests it was actually spoken as I summed up, amongst probably the elite, since there were many dialects as well. After extensive research a consensus has been reached among historians and classici that this is the most likely way it was/is pronouced and so is also taught to students when reading and speaking classical Latin. So there is a general rulebook, since many things are derivable (Isolated communities and dialects for example give good indication, like on Sicily they speak Italian with pronounciation much closer to classical Latin). Check out the Netflix series Barbarians. The classical Latin there is excellent.
@@tigervv6437 well yeah the 1000 + dialects too, my point is however you want to pronounce Latin isn't it always correct possibly? Or is that just ignorant thinking, im not into languages
@@danielguilmartin9376 every country has a civil war
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Good job playing with the romans; the easy way to know if you use well Rome faction, is when the numbers of kills you make is bigger than a hundred kills, no matter how cheap or expensive are the roman units you used, because they have one of the best armys in game.
I noticed a few things about the defenders that might have contributed to Apollo doing so well: Carthage is a new player (he was mostly using fire ammo), Seleucid played passive against Arverni (which led to him being crushed), Sparta didnt help his allies until about 1/3 of the way through the battle, and Macedon got double teamed.
I do like how, this, is how the Romans actually did things. Hastati run in, get stuck in with Gusto, do damage, absorb the ammo, all that stuff. Then the Principes smash in and carry the day against the tired and already battered enemies
Apollo doesn't state he's the greatest, but his followers do. He gives credit to his teammates. Plus a lot of videos of TW, show players losing with Rome. This was a cool video of basic use with the faction, and how to keep the initiative in tactics
I am so glad you explained your chooses during this battle as a new player to Rome 2 and having very little experience with Total War games in general thank so much Apollo
Ngl this battle was pretty cool, it was pretty fair because u have barbarians and rome which is great at attacking and the defenders are also good factions like sparta etc
I forgot how much I love your content lol, I think I had been looking for a strategy game and found one of your videos on this game and thought it looked so fun, but couldn't buy it because of the 60 dollar pricepoint lol, then I watched your conqueror's blade videos since that game was free and I could actually play lol, now I just remembered this game and looked up a seig battle video to see what it was like and you popped up first
its actually weird because even when I first began playing, I always loved being the Selucid Dynasty or Macedonia! I honestly don't like being rome! Selucids have an intensely varied force. My favourite is the Horse Cataphracts. Anyways great video Good job Apollo!
I'd have to disagree. Yes Rome doesn't have the best cavalry unit in the game but it has two very good spear units, Triarii and Auxiliaries, some of the best archers, and that classic medium to heavy infantry that stack bodies like cord wood. While I do see the appeal of Macedonia and the other Greeks, Rome is where it's at to me
Few ideas that popped into my head while watching this video! Be good if you could merge units mid battle. Would make for some interesting gameplay if you could betray and turn on allies mid battle! Especially in campaign. I also want to be able to sling in dead bodies and stuff into a settlement to make the enemies sick, like you sling dead cows in Stronghold, haha!
@@sirofsirs390 turning on the allies would not be a good idea... it would be utter chaos... everyone turning on everyone and it wouldn’t even be a battle... the merging units is an idea though although it would have to be the same units and the dead bodies would work in theory, but it’s just wrong (I know they did that in history but that’s just not a good tactic for a active attack.. because it would hurt your own men) those are my reasons... I hope they help
On the principes question. Both pronunciations can work. The hark k-like sound is probably closer to classical Latin used in the period. The soft c would be vulgar Latin (mediaeval). Classicists will also pronounce Cicero like "Kikero," or Tacitus "Takitus" for the same reason.
Well u can take one siege engine and go straight for the centre or capture point instead of fighting head on and it got some advantage doing so like they can have flank opportunity, cavalry infiltration and bringing enemy attention
1:30 I heard carthage and automatically thought, that city is doomed, tthen i remembered you were on the attack, and thought, that city is gonna explode from an arrow from a roman hastati somehow
My firat total war game i got today i was inspired to get it because of you. Thank you its awesome. It may not be rome 2 but i the first rome but its still fun!
I am but a humble subscriber knight and have been loyal to you for years my lord and it is my honest opinion that you should be more popular than you are keep up the great content!
Btw you don’t have to charge to make infantry throw their projectiles, just put them near your enemies, turn on fire at will, they will automatically throw.
in antiquity the letter c was pronounced like an english k as in kraft. So principe was pronounced prinkipe. Caesar was pronounced similar to Kaisar. Cicero was pronounced like Kickero. Modern italian is different; if an i or e follows a c, it is pronounced like a “chi” or “che”, so it sounds like princheepe. Spanish and English each have their own take on how to pronounce the c.
Firmly I pledge my loyalty to thee Land of my Forefathers forever brimming with glory
A land of beauty home of the courageous Our Eternal Rome the might of enemy ships Threatens us in vain it is a hopeless quest Turn away from deceit and sweet delusions For the trumpets of War will call our Legions soon And across the fatherland a victory song will ring And across the fatherland our song will resonate A time of joy and pride for Eternal Rome. (Sung in Latin from the film dragon blade translated from Latin The Roman Empire never had an official anthem)
the pronunciation of principes varies based on how you pronounce your latin in general, the sound of C in latin has changed throughout the years-- if you go by classical latin then it's always a hard c (this even applies to ch which is always pronounced like the ch in chemistry in classical latin), but in ecclesiastical latin it's quite different! basically, your pronunciation of it as "prinkipes" is the correct way to say it in classical latin i think
I'm not sure if you mentioned this, but simply standing your Hastati near an enemy unit will have them firing their pila without the need to micro-manage charge orders.
New to the channel and total war. Love your videos keep it up. To answer your question about how to pronounce "Principes", the Romans pronounced the letter "C" as the letter "K" is pronounced in modern English.
I've had over 600 kills with Heavy Elephants, but the player made the mistake to attack the infantry while archers were on the walls. He should have retreated the elephants from the walls to conserve them and use them somewhere else again. Another thing is the archers, their strength is the fire arrows, but I think slingers are overall better than archers, while peltasts and javelinmen are the strongest, but they have not that much ammo.
Great massive siege battle but i would have loved to have been in control of Sparta defending as without sounding too arrogant I would have created some serious kill zones where the outer walls had been knocked down creating huge breaches that need to be plugged and imo what better faction to use than Sparta to plug those gaps which would have caused a huge delay to entering the city and in some cases kept the tower defence either in dispute or on the side defence. How i would have done this - Square formations which would force entering troops to be funnelled towards my lines if pikes. Slingers with there range set further behind to pepper any nme troops who were actually on the walls from the siege engines etc. I know its easy after watching battle like this and hearsay say my defence would have worked much better and been successful but based on my experience with Sparta and examples of how to use square formations combined with pikes on my own channel i feel confident imo I would have produced some great defence footage that would have reminded myself and many others of a combination of the film 300 defending the hot gates and also the newly knighted men from the film kingdom of heaven where they defended the wall breach in the city of Jerusalem. Anyway I still loved this epic battle and maybe Pixel if you ever want me to put my money where my mouth is you could message me and perhaps give me an opportunity to be a lucky a player who could appear in one of your videos in the future. In the meantime thank you for great upload and footage. I look forward to watching some more of your latest videos soon.
Regarding pronunciation of the letter "c" - there was a split in the early Indo-European languages in how that letter is pronounced. Originally it was pronounced like "k". In the east, there was a shift to pronouncing "c" like "s", while in the west (including Rome) it retained its original "k" sound. So principes would have been pronounced "prinkipes" (and Caesar would have been pronounced "Kaesar"). Check this wikipedia page out for info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centum_and_satem_languages. I learned this from The History of English Podcast, which I highly recommend! It's about 50/50 between history and etymology.
Legionnaire: Son whats your duty in this army?
hastati: Well...on this piece of paper here it says ammo absorber?
True
Lmfao 😂😂😂
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I use the auxilias for that. Not Roman life must be sacrifice in that kind of task
😂😂😂
Apollo, the greatest siege player of all time, a man who says “words are hard today” Literally everyday
Ots I mean its ot I MEAN not, not ot illy I MEAN SILLY
words are hatd
Hard I mean hard!
True
It's true tough!
I love how this game it happened in the firat minute. Some games its half over before he says it and i begin to get worried
I wouldn't call him the greatest player but aight
Apollo: this is how you attack Rome
Me: *"and I took that personally"*
Don’t get it
@@executeorder6559 I LOVE ROME
@@Trent733 ohhhhhhhh I like playing as Rome but hate being against them as for fuck sake it takes so long for 1 unit to break
@@executeorder6559 yea lol
@@executeorder6559 they really are a wall , they should nerf those frickers , they can chip your waves of cheap units
For all future video's: It is "Prinkipes" in classical Latin. In general the Latin grapheme ⟨c⟩ is the Latin phone [k], which is always pronounced hard as k in sky, never soft as in cellar, cello, or social. ⟨k⟩ is a letter coming from Greek, but seldom written as such and generally replaced by c. Triarii for example would be pronounced with 3 times the same i-sound of ea in easy. Not Triari-eye.
Awesome info. Had no idea that k was a "greek" letter.
However no one is really 100% sure about this? And the language has been used / changed over 1000+ years. In the beginning no one even wrote down much spelling rules. So it doesn't really matter how you pronounce it because I can be correct ? Does this makes sense?
@@rubenheymans1988 yeah, I think it makes sense. I think most of the "correct" pronunciation of dead languages derives from the pronunciation of the child languages. For instance: "CH" in Italian always has a "K" sound. It's not irrational to argue that a "C" in Latin would sound like a "CH" in Italian, since Italian basically derived fully from Latin.
@@rubenheymans1988 Of course 100% sure no one will ever be, but there is a lot of evidence that suggests it was actually spoken as I summed up, amongst probably the elite, since there were many dialects as well. After extensive research a consensus has been reached among historians and classici that this is the most likely way it was/is pronouced and so is also taught to students when reading and speaking classical Latin. So there is a general rulebook, since many things are derivable (Isolated communities and dialects for example give good indication, like on Sicily they speak Italian with pronounciation much closer to classical Latin). Check out the Netflix series Barbarians. The classical Latin there is excellent.
@@tigervv6437 well yeah the 1000 + dialects too, my point is however you want to pronounce Latin isn't it always correct possibly? Or is that just ignorant thinking, im not into languages
32:10 chant with me, brothers!
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we need another life of a soldier, I used to love those vids back in the day
Why hasn't Apollo made a "words are hard" t shirt lol
Pixelated Apollo with another siege battle love it
Your pfp matches your comment 🤣
@@chandrachacha4964 thanks man
0:17: "I'm playing as rome"
Me: Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down.
Lol
@@Trent733 lol
@@iceintheair lol
9 there was like a 30+ if you count the different sides of the civil wars
@@danielguilmartin9376 every country has a civil war
Good job playing with the romans; the easy way to know if you use well Rome faction, is when the numbers of kills you make is bigger than a hundred kills, no matter how cheap or expensive are the roman units you used, because they have one of the best armys in game.
Finally a good player playing rome
A rome player is good finally
more like average player lol
@@brettvogel8418 what indicates that he isn't a good player?
@@derth9230 he acknowledges it in the video
@@brettvogel8418 you must be the cats tits then when playing as Rome. The kitties titties as it were
10:39 Rest in peace that Thureos spearman who had like 4 pila in his face and another couple in the rest of him.
Oh my god. That man is dead. lol
20:48 -Rome in Carthage, it’s always a good sight.
Me - A pretty flattened sight more like
"How to play as Rome!"
Apollo: have some good teammates (cyberpunk 2077 music)
Genius 100
Please do a life of a soldier video! We must see what happened to the Roman-Slayer
I'm sorry words are hard - every siege battle of apollo
Awesome to see Epirus doing work. I think its rare to see somebody use them so well.
dang apollo your the mvp of the whole matchup ur a excellent player, teammate, and general and i love the fact that you used the romans to victory
4:18 man the standard guy is a madlad
Beautiful battle! Really found myself learning new tactics with this content, its made rome 2 even more enjoyable. Good stuff man
Good day,hello from Serbia.I cant waith to see a life of a soldier on that Royal peltast.
*germany has entered chat with Austria-hungary*
@@Trent733 Bulgaria backstab
I noticed a few things about the defenders that might have contributed to Apollo doing so well: Carthage is a new player (he was mostly using fire ammo), Seleucid played passive against Arverni (which led to him being crushed), Sparta didnt help his allies until about 1/3 of the way through the battle, and Macedon got double teamed.
I think Sparta was trying to avoid getting doubled early because the Selucid passivity allowed two faction to hot multiple Spartan forces.
I do like how, this, is how the Romans actually did things.
Hastati run in, get stuck in with Gusto, do damage, absorb the ammo, all that stuff.
Then the Principes smash in and carry the day against the tired and already battered enemies
Apollo doesn't state he's the greatest, but his followers do. He gives credit to his teammates. Plus a lot of videos of TW, show players losing with Rome. This was a cool video of basic use with the faction, and how to keep the initiative in tactics
Apollo I love your stuff. Could you do a Rome 2 Campaign one day plz?
I am so glad you explained your chooses during this battle as a new player to Rome 2 and having very little experience with Total War games in general thank so much Apollo
The hastati that routed at 10:00 were ordered by their officer to run along the walls as punishment haha, 13:20 and theyre still running along it
Apollo: Words are hard
Also Apollo: doing commentary
So happy he added a higher definition for his videos
Best game for siege battles gotta say, and Apollo playing rome as he said in stream he did pretty good too.
Ngl this battle was pretty cool, it was pretty fair because u have barbarians and rome which is great at attacking and the defenders are also good factions like sparta etc
I forgot how much I love your content lol, I think I had been looking for a strategy game and found one of your videos on this game and thought it looked so fun, but couldn't buy it because of the 60 dollar pricepoint lol, then I watched your conqueror's blade videos since that game was free and I could actually play lol, now I just remembered this game and looked up a seig battle video to see what it was like and you popped up first
its actually weird because even when I first began playing, I always loved being the Selucid Dynasty or Macedonia! I honestly don't like being rome! Selucids have an intensely varied force. My favourite is the Horse Cataphracts. Anyways great video Good job Apollo!
I'd have to disagree. Yes Rome doesn't have the best cavalry unit in the game but it has two very good spear units, Triarii and Auxiliaries, some of the best archers, and that classic medium to heavy infantry that stack bodies like cord wood.
While I do see the appeal of Macedonia and the other Greeks, Rome is where it's at to me
@@Darqshadow fair enough as long as you are enjoying your time with them.
This has been one of the better videos you have out out Apollo. This was more informative and entertaining by far!
Crushing victory. With a huge reserve remaining too. That's how you attack!
I remember seeing this battle live, was really great.
”the p boys“ 🤣🤣🤣🤣
MATN studied classics and says prinkipes. Honestly, everyone knows who you're talking about. I wouldn't worry about it to much. Great video!
"THIS IS HOW YOU ATTACK WITH ROME" literally 1 minute later "I screwed up and cut off half of my Hastati." Me: OKEY DOKEY.
:D Precisely.
Looking at the thumbnail, all I could think of was that moment in the siege of carthage cinematic trailer:
Take those walls!
AHHH-
I was waiting for a siege battle where Apollo controlls the attacking force. My prayers have been heard!
Few ideas that popped into my head while watching this video!
Be good if you could merge units mid battle.
Would make for some interesting gameplay if you could betray and turn on allies mid battle! Especially in campaign.
I also want to be able to sling in dead bodies and stuff into a settlement to make the enemies sick, like you sling dead cows in Stronghold, haha!
Uhhhh......no
@@novaalkronthe1st910 Any particular reason?
@@sirofsirs390 turning on the allies would not be a good idea... it would be utter chaos... everyone turning on everyone and it wouldn’t even be a battle... the merging units is an idea though although it would have to be the same units and the dead bodies would work in theory, but it’s just wrong (I know they did that in history but that’s just not a good tactic for a active attack.. because it would hurt your own men) those are my reasons... I hope they help
@@novaalkronthe1st910 Such turnings in battles are historically accurate and battle is chaos, my friend
I like how actually play them as if your are a general on the battle field
When you have watched so many Apollo videos “Words are hard” slips into your common vocabulary...
one thing he could do is manage the units in pairs, while one is fighting the other is resting, throwing tired troops against fresh ones takes a toll
On the principes question. Both pronunciations can work. The hark k-like sound is probably closer to classical Latin used in the period. The soft c would be vulgar Latin (mediaeval). Classicists will also pronounce Cicero like "Kikero," or Tacitus "Takitus" for the same reason.
Finally a good Roman player
That was a clean battle. Good stuff Apollo.. love ya
I really liked how you commanded your hastati centuries.
Well u can take one siege engine and go straight for the centre or capture point instead of fighting head on and it got some advantage doing so like they can have flank opportunity, cavalry infiltration and bringing enemy attention
After WH3 disappointment this feels like cure.
@@callumander4141 I like fantasy titles yet feeling everything turning into MOBA is not fun.
Fakes right, goes left and charge straight into the wall. Job well done cav 😆
Apollo will you make this a series?
i would like that
When Sparta is in you side:This is Sparta. But,if on enemy side: meh! Sparta.
1:30 I heard carthage and automatically thought, that city is doomed, tthen i remembered you were on the attack, and thought, that city is gonna explode from an arrow from a roman hastati somehow
I really enjoyed this siege for some reason. Couldn't take my eyes off it the whole time!
31:46 that lone soldier is a baddazz
You don‘t have to charge to throw the javelins. Just Put the Unit infront of the the Enemy Lines and use fire at will
its so wholesome whenever romans and barbarians team up
Life of a soldier! YES!
What a coincidence that you play rome 2 total because I just finished installing it
My firat total war game i got today i was inspired to get it because of you. Thank you its awesome. It may not be rome 2 but i the first rome but its still fun!
This was very entertaining, great commentary!
I am but a humble subscriber knight and have been loyal to you for years my lord and it is my honest opinion that you should be more popular than you are keep up the great content!
Btw you don’t have to charge to make infantry throw their projectiles, just put them near your enemies, turn on fire at will, they will automatically throw.
we need another life of a soldier, I used to love those vids back in the day
32:32 “Pluto, back to formation!”
Good vid man
Life of a soldier
Rome II is epic
Man I remember being a noob in Rome 2. He is so right about noobs using Rome so incorrectly. Good times.
in antiquity the letter c was pronounced like an english k as in kraft. So principe was pronounced prinkipe. Caesar was pronounced similar to Kaisar. Cicero was pronounced like Kickero.
Modern italian is different; if an i or e follows a c, it is pronounced like a “chi” or “che”, so it sounds like princheepe. Spanish and English each have their own take on how to pronounce the c.
Firmly I pledge
my loyalty to thee
Land of my Forefathers
forever brimming with glory
A land of beauty
home of the courageous
Our Eternal Rome
the might of enemy ships
Threatens us in vain
it is a hopeless quest
Turn away from deceit
and sweet delusions
For the trumpets of War
will call our Legions soon
And across the fatherland
a victory song will ring
And across the fatherland
our song will resonate
A time of joy and pride
for Eternal Rome.
(Sung in Latin from the film dragon blade translated from Latin The Roman Empire never had an official anthem)
the pronunciation of principes varies based on how you pronounce your latin in general, the sound of C in latin has changed throughout the years-- if you go by classical latin then it's always a hard c (this even applies to ch which is always pronounced like the ch in chemistry in classical latin), but in ecclesiastical latin it's quite different! basically, your pronunciation of it as "prinkipes" is the correct way to say it in classical latin i think
Would love a Witcher 3 play-through, I’m sure everyone would agree considering season 2 of the tv show is out soon.
I'm not sure if you mentioned this, but simply standing your Hastati near an enemy unit will have them firing their pila without the need to micro-manage charge orders.
The "P boys" skksks the best definition kskksks
All hail Caesar 😂😂
In classical latin the c is always pronounced with a k sound. So its prinkipes.
Yes a new vid!
New to the channel and total war. Love your videos keep it up. To answer your question about how to pronounce "Principes", the Romans pronounced the letter "C" as the letter "K" is pronounced in modern English.
Auxilia did all the work :) I'm kidding. Great siege!!!
I was at the stream the Hastati is easily the MVP
Thank you Apollo not everyone knows how to attack with rome
charge the thorax swords with switched off formation attack, put on shield wall after engaging and they will beat the legionaries easily
I've had over 600 kills with Heavy Elephants, but the player made the mistake to attack the infantry while archers were on the walls. He should have retreated the elephants from the walls to conserve them and use them somewhere else again. Another thing is the archers, their strength is the fire arrows, but I think slingers are overall better than archers, while peltasts and javelinmen are the strongest, but they have not that much ammo.
to me, you are the greatest Rome 2 player.
Yeah, apollo misworded company 24/7 misunderstanding different faction and always saying words are hard today.Love it apollo❤.
You could just move the hastatis back into the siege towers and move to the opening that's right beside it...
Yeahhhhh🔥
Great massive siege battle but i would have loved to have been in control of Sparta defending as without sounding too arrogant I would have created some serious kill zones where the outer walls had been knocked down creating huge breaches that need to be plugged and imo what better faction to use than Sparta to plug those gaps which would have caused a huge delay to entering the city and in some cases kept the tower defence either in dispute or on the side defence. How i would have done this - Square formations which would force entering troops to be funnelled towards my lines if pikes. Slingers with there range set further behind to pepper any nme troops who were actually on the walls from the siege engines etc. I know its easy after watching battle like this and hearsay say my defence would have worked much better and been successful but based on my experience with Sparta and examples of how to use square formations combined with pikes on my own channel i feel confident imo I would have produced some great defence footage that would have reminded myself and many others of a combination of the film 300 defending the hot gates and also the newly knighted men from the film kingdom of heaven where they defended the wall breach in the city of Jerusalem. Anyway I still loved this epic battle and maybe Pixel if you ever want me to put my money where my mouth is you could message me and perhaps give me an opportunity to be a lucky a player who could appear in one of your videos in the future. In the meantime thank you for great upload and footage. I look forward to watching some more of your latest videos soon.
East or West apollo with Rome is Best !
Appolo please cover ntw3 near future
Yeah but he made so much of it he is now bored
@@executeorder6559 Which I understand, all battles feel the same at some point
Make that lone Royal Peltast a Life of a Soldier!!! Please!!!
Goodjob apollo i love all of your videos
You the best. Also a chad.
We the people demand WORDS ARE HARD merch
Hi, nice video!
Hey Apollo, you should try this new game on roblox called War Sails its a realistic ship pvp based in the early 1800's
The P boys is a good name though
Regarding pronunciation of the letter "c" - there was a split in the early Indo-European languages in how that letter is pronounced. Originally it was pronounced like "k". In the east, there was a shift to pronouncing "c" like "s", while in the west (including Rome) it retained its original "k" sound. So principes would have been pronounced "prinkipes" (and Caesar would have been pronounced "Kaesar"). Check this wikipedia page out for info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centum_and_satem_languages. I learned this from The History of English Podcast, which I highly recommend! It's about 50/50 between history and etymology.