Arrested For a DUI Without Drinking Alcohol | The Medical Mystery of ABS
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- When Joe and Danny started experiencing some unusual symptoms, they were struggling to figure out what was going on. Things quickly took a sharp turn for the two as their symptoms worsened placing prompting multiple stays in the hospital. Both of these men had a medical mystery going on in their bodies. They were getting drunk without drinking alcohol and Danny would even get arrested for a DUI despite not drinking alcohol for several years. But soon, they would both discover the truth when they learned about a rare condition called Auto-Brewery Syndrome (ABS) and things for them would quickly change.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Introduction
01:42 - Joe Bartnik
14:19 - Donato ‘Danny’ Gianotto
25:35 - “Auto-Brewery” discovery
28:00 - Joe glucose test
29:40 - Joe and Danny diagnosis
31:56 - What ABS is
34:07 - Sacaromyces ceraviseae / brewer’s yeast
35:10 - Antibiotics
37:44 - Difficulties diagnosing ABS
40:12 - Challenges with ABS / Mark Mongiardo
42:30 - Danny's DUI
44:57 - Alcoholism
46:40 - Joe and Barbara updates
48:20 - Danny and Michelle updates
49:18 - Fecal transplant
51:00 - ABS Advocacy Nonprofit
Disclaimer: I’m not a medical professional and nothing in this video is meant to be taken as medical advice. If you’re experiencing any health issues, speak with your physician.
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What's depressing is thinking just how many people could have suffered from this with no diagnosis and the entire time, their families and doctors accused them of being an alcoholic and lying and manipulating everyone while they themselves weren't alcoholics.
Though addiction is recognised as an illness now, it wasn't a few years ago and imagine how bad it was throughout the decades where anti-biotics were in use.
I think someone must’ve died from this and now the family believes their loved one was a closet drunk, likely blame themselves for ‘not knowing’ something was going on. Like someone dies in a stupid accident or car crash and their blood alcohol comes back at 0.5, doctors take it as a sign of alcoholism.
Family friend died suddenly and first the doctors claimed it was alcohol poisoning, she died in sauna on national holiday. But it just didn’t sit right with anyone who knew her, she wasn’t much of a drinker. Her husband was beyond baffled. When the blood tests finally came back, months later, her cause of death was changed to carbon monoxide poisoning. It was still really sad, but at least it made more sense now - her husband didn’t have to think he missed something for the rest of his years. It was just an unfortunate accident. I was just a kid, but I remember how outraged and offended everybody was about the primary ruling.
And even tho addiction is understood to be an illness today, even medical professionals can treat addicts very poorly. I grew up in shitty part of the city, many of my childhood friends are addicts and Im disgusted how different my healthcare is in comparison. Friend with uterine infection nearly died, because she wasn’t taken seriously, but as a pill shopper or drug seeker. Even with fever so high, the thermometer didnt register it anymore.. When she finally collapsed and was hospitalized, some of the nurses were just cruel to her. And her case is just one out of many. Im amazed this can happen in 21st century, in 1st world country and with people who should know better!
I had heard of ABS before but forgot what it was called, and the only thing that came to mind was alcohol belly syndrome. But thank you for this deep dive! I'm currently working with substance abuse clients as a therapist and feel like it's important for those of us in the mental health field to also know about medical conditions that can mimic the diagnoses we treat.
If you have a client with 0 positive tests and no alcohol abuse history who randomly tests positive for alcohol maybe call the labs and figure out what happened instead of automatically disciplining your clients !!!! You guys are all the same none of you truly care or listen you think everyone is all the same
@@deloresgarza7584 i'm sorry you were hurt, i understand your pain, this person is trying i promise. It's hard to see through the pain if someone is trying or not but this person is 💗
@deloresgarza7584 that's a lot from someone who has no clue what I'm about. I care deeply for my clients, hence why I would want to learn more about possible conditions that could mimic what we treat.
@@deloresgarza7584That's a whole lot of assumptions from just one comment
@@deloresgarza7584 girl are you good? Why are you rudely demanding that this person do exactly what they've just said they already do?
One of my cousins is an ER doctor and he just ran into this recently. Thing is guy was an actual acholic and had to stop drinking for an upcoming surgery but then kept appearing drunk when he was insistent he hadn't had anything, so his primary doctor thought about ADS and did the tests and lo and behold they think a prior surgery some years ago where he was on antibiotics and afterwards he started appearing drunk without drinking anything. No one believed him so he eventually figured if he was gonna get called a drunk he might as well actually drink and enjoy himself and it all spiraled from there until he had to stop for the aforementioned surgery and then he kept feeling drunk despite not drinking again. Thankfully his doctor believed him and got to the bottom of it and according to my cousin the guy got his treatment and they're waiting to see how that goes before they do the surgery.
But like....gods, I can't imagine. Because yeah people who have alcohol addiction are treated as less than human in a lot of cases, right on par with people who take drugs [both legal and not] despite it being legal to sell to adults and this idea that as adults hanging out usually involves alcohol of some kind. I've faced serious stigma myself for refusing to drink because I generally don't the feeling of being drunk except in a few rare instances, even when I say stuff like "I'm the designated driver" or "I don't drink for religious reasons" there's still this idea that if you don't have alcohol you can't have fun or you're ruining the party/mood/vibe or whatever and it sucks so much. And pot is legal where I am and I take edibles, and when I say that the amount of people who start treating me like I'm some dirty homeless person is wild. We really need to put an end to alcohol culture and the stigma around substance use.
Babe ?
I am medically complex with multiple different disabilities. A large portion of my diagnosises were found from listening to and talking to other people. I would hear about these things, research them to see if my symptoms and experiences lined up, and then brought the possibilities to my doctors. They would then run the tests or send me to a specialist who would then run the tests. Now, this included ruling out a lot of those possibilities. I certainly didn't have a large portion of the ideas people had. But it gave me new ideas to try and rule out if nothing else. And a small section of the suggested things i did have. So now, largely thanks to other people, i was able to figure some stuff out. Most of my doctors initially didn't care to do more than rule out the most common things. And many of my conditions still fall into common or uncommon, but aren't necessarily the first thought when my symptoms are listed. It didn't help that because i have multiple issues, its hard to tell what's one thing verses another. But i kept working, and i still am. We still don't know some things, like wtf is going on with my foot and eyes, why my upper back is so bad, and trying to nail down my exact neurological problems. But having people there to support you can help a ton. Do not be afraid to push your doctors into doing more tests if something is wrong but nothing is showing. Or even getting different doctors if its available to you. ❤
Have they tested you for Epstein bar virus? My daughter currently has mononucleosis, aka EBV and it got me to thinking. I looked up in UA-cam and saw a woman with many of my symptoms tested over 600 in her blood work for EBV. The normal range is something like 20-40. She had had it as a teenager or young adult but it never went dormant for her. She was treated with 3 months of antivirals and began feeling much better. I’m definitely going to check into it for myself. Also, idk if ABS is a possibility for me, but my body seems to make glucose out of nothing and my fasting glucose is always the highest. I keep asking for an explanation, but all they say is my liver must have stopped functioning 🤷🏼♀️ but that doesn’t make sense to me since as I said, I can have high blood sugar without even consuming carbs.
Mold toxicity. You sound like me.
@@darleenmarieramosI also just got diagnosed with severe mold allergies many years after I first began experiencing allergy symptoms… I took allergy meds everyday for what I assumed was seasonal allergies, only to find out that they did nothing because mold allergies can’t be treated like seasonal allergies…
I have struggled with chronic fatigue for years and I finally have most of my energy back after only a couple months of treatment. I’ve had hundreds of other tests, it’s amazing what gets missed.
@@mombythecI tested positive for EBV a few months ago. We’re still trying to figure out what other things I deal with but it’s good to know about at least one thing I have going on.
I don’t even know when I’ve had mono. 🤷🏽♀️
omg new petal palmer video hell yes!!!
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What a treat for a Sunday night!!!❤
Congratulations on your degree after success with your health. It's inspiring and you are shining proof that it's all possible to have dreams and obtain giant goals even through health hardships. I think it's clear to anyone watching that you want to be above and beyond what life has thrown at you and it's just straight up dope. ❤ love your channel and what you bring to the table conversationally is peak for the documentary corner online. I hope you're still making videos someday when my daughter gets a little older.
I’ve heard of ABS before and I was so psyched to hear your story about it! As always, you didn’t disappoint!! Another well researched, informative and engaging piece. Thanks for all your hard work!! ♥️
My mom always told me to have yogurt when taking antibiotics so I don’t get a yeast infection. I guess she was more right than she even knew
don't people take antibiotics for yeast infections though? 😅
@@felicityjohnston9276that’s not the only thing anti biotics are for ! Lol
@deloresgarza7584 obviously, but it's confusing.
@@felicityjohnston9276 reread the sentence lol antibiotics can give you yeast infections! She never said she was taking them to treat a yeast infection
@tatiannabaker3943 you reread. you completely missed wtf I said trying to jump the gun.
Girl you have me hooked an viewing from Trinidad and Tobago.
Cheers to our Caribbean friend! o/
Oh , Petal! You are going to make an amazing doctor!!!
Such a crazy condition. Those poor people who get labeled as alcoholic a when they are genuinely not.
Thanks for being here. I'm so very depressed. You are a great speaker and always find the most interesting things to talk about.
Thank you for being here too. Hope the darkness passes for you soon x
You are so strong❤️
Depression sucks. ❤️
I feel that and it sucks. Well I'm glad that you're here and are able to get some level of satisfaction from these great videos!
I had heard about the woman who had bladder brewery, but I do not remember hearing about the gut brewery. Interesting as always.
Liked. Shared. Commented. Up the algorithm!
Medical crimes and incidents is what i'm most interested in, your videos are great!
Scrolling, Scrolling, Scrolling at 3am...was that a new petal palmer video?! *backs up the Scroll and aggressively clicks the thumbnail *
As always, I learned something new! This is actually terrifying!!
I love this kind of story. I’m glad they were able to get answers and that more medical professionals and the general public is more informed about this condition. Thanks Petal!
My mom had an issue like this for awhile, when the doctors saw her they said they were shocked she was walking around going to work and taking care of me because she was basically full of yeast. Very excited to watch this and learn about something similar
I just wanted to say how much I LOVE your videos! I feel like you’re one of the only people who makes videos about this kinda stuff (like the medical mysteries and crimes and stuff) and I find it so interesting!
Literally, it’s like my favourite topic and NO ONE else does it
You might also like Georgia Marie! She doesn’t do it exclusively but she has a lot of videos on medical negligence that caused laws to change and origins of different illnesses
@@s.h.a5921 yes!
15:39
Omg!
I've had this done!
Fell off a cliff, broke my nose (had no idea until years later) among other injuries.
So had to have that deviated septum surgery..plus.
Was told it be a pretty unpleasant 2 week recovery.
BS!!!!
Minimum 4 weeks in agony!
Missed my 20 year high school reunion as I was told I'd feel better by then, not even close!
Paid $5000 out of pocket and had no idea this wasn't a permanent fix!
Also had to sign a waiver beforehand saying I wouldn't sue them if they blinded me!
I drive for a living!
Kinda need my vision but the pain was worse than d*@th and I couldn't take it anymore!
This was in 2007 and internet definitely wasn't even close to what it is today!
As I recall, those were dial up days!
So thorough research wasn't as accessible as it is now but to be honest I wouldn't have done any!
The pain was *so* bad, I couldn't do my job and had to quit!
I had trouble tying my shoes, there would be no brain capacity for research!
You're a big fan of the exclamation mark, huh? I'm more of an interrobang guy, myself.
why wouldn't it be permanent?
It’s common for those kind of surgeries to require that kind of waiver.
@@asmrtpop2676Yeah, exactly. There's an acknowledgement by the patient of the potential risks that are commonly associated & an acceptance that they're weighing that risk against the symptoms they're currently experiencing - it's informed consent. Also, I imagine it's a way that the surgeon isn't accused of malpractice unless an unexpected complication arises, which is an indication of not knowing wtf they're doing. Lol
I'm really sorry to hear your recovery was so rough, OP. I just had surgery & have had a typical recovery period, but that's unfortunately not a sure shot for everyone. Your Dr's still should have taken your pain more seriously... 🫤
just what i needed to help get me through the rest of my finals 💛
wish me luck tho i have 2 more papers and a quiz that are all due tomorrow and a few small assignments to do by the end of tuesday 😭
edit: IM DONE!! IM FREE!! (until the fall)
GOOD LUCK U GOT THIS!!!!!!! remember to take small breaks, reward yourself with treats and words of affirmation, it'll be all done before you know it!!! 🖤
@@lokthuum ty !!
Sorry I'm late for the tests and papers, but good luck for the fall semester! I bet it'll be as awesome as you are!
It's a good day when Petal Palmer posts ❤
absolutely wild story, thanks for blessing us with the new upload!
Thank you for sharing! This is so interesting and well narrated and explained
Omgosh! How interesting, thank you again Petal for another stellar story! You’re the BEST!
Excellent coverage. Well done!
Quickly became one of my favorite channels 🎉 so happy to have something good to watch tonight!
I love all the different directions you took with this case. Thanks for the deep dive, Petal!
This may be the wildest condition I’ve ever learned about
i hope you’re doing well these days!! 💜💜 congratulations on graduating!
Congratulation on your graduation Petal! Love your content!
great video, you can tell how much work you put into them, you do a great job narrarating as well .
Thank you so much for those very well documented and professionally explained videos. Those stories need to be heard. You are, my friend, a beautiful person.
Wow, what a crazy and frustrating disease! Thank you for teaching us about it! Love your vids. 💜
Petal, I haven’t watched a video of yours in a while and I just wanted to say that your content has come so far! Thank you for your great content ❤
Love you Petal, can’t wait to watch this one!
Excellent video! I've never heard of this before.
You're doing great work, Miss Palmer. Keep it up, we're all rooting for you :)
Another fascinating video, Petal! I thought I knew about the gut microbiome, but I’ve NEVER heard of alcohol brewery syndrome. So interesting-keep up your good work! Also thank you for providing your sources in the description, because I want to look in to ABS more now!
Omg thanks for this upload ❤
Hi Petal great video for bedtime. Thanks.
And congratulations again, it's a great achievement reaching that end goal. My son received his bachelors last week. So that's why I'm extra happy for you, I'm aware of all the hard work is put in.
I love your videos so much! 🥺 please keep making these, your an amazing person to listen to on long trips!😊
I looove the way you talk ❤️❤️❤️ tank you for giving us this incredible videos 💕❤️❤️
This case was done so awesome! I'm not a science gal, but you broke it down so well for me to understand and keep me following along!! Awesome case, Petal!!!
Love your videos. So informative and calming. You should release a podcast
Sometimes I find myself taking back to you lol!! Your videos are just so compelling!
Such a good explanation. ❤❤
You have such a calming, nice voice. God bless you.
Congrats on graduation queen!!! ❤
Love your videos
Oh Miss Petal Palmer, you are such a light!
Is there an email address for suggested posts or stories? I lost my son in 2022 from something that was highly preventable & definitely medical related. I feel like it's my duty to spread awareness to prevent other tragedies like this, but i don't know where to start. I would love your input or for you to tell his story.
Yess a new petal palmer vid
Noticing the hair growing out! You go girl!!
Congrats on graduating! ❤️
Congratulations again!!
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These peoples poor emergency room bills, and with no answers too :/ what a burden to endure
Congratulations on your graduation and adding other words to support your important video
Wow I cried when you said they finally got married. Michelle sounds like an amazing woman. And poor sweet Danny.
what an interesting video! i had never heard of this syndrome.
My 80 year old Granny has similar simptoms, although not that severe. She was also diagnosed with helicobacter, the doctor brushed it off and did not do anything (even though this bacteria is also strongly connected to stomach cancer)!
She also has IBS and diabetes. She was treated with 3 or 4 different antibiotics earlier this year for pneumonia, for about two months. It clicked as I am watching your video that it is VERY likely she has ABS. I wonder if there is such a thing with less severe simptoms (I wouldn't describe hers as drunk, rather tipsy.)
This was fascinating. I can't imagine how frightening this must have been.
🏃🏾♀️🏃🏾♀️🏃🏾♀️ New video from Petal!
God bless the wife and girlfriend in these cases honestly. They really took it upon themselves to try figure out what was happening and log every detail when the medical system wasn’t forthcoming. MVPs❤
such a good video
I've heard of this before.
Something to do with grains or gluten or bread, which their bodies convert into an intoxicating substance that makes them appear drunk shortly after eating.
Even if they had zero alcohol!
Might've been a Mr Ballen story but I could be wrong.
I used to be obsessed with Mystery Diagnosis when I was younger and I think there was an episode about this.
@@ms.borzynski2195 I haven't heard of that one.
I was pretty obsessed with, "Untold Stories of the ER."
@@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206I was a fan of both that and Mystery Diagnosis so it’s possible this was on both lol.
Your videos are so good I always forget to subscribe. Hopefully, no one else makes the same mistake 😮💨
Gotta admit, I always like your vids in the first few minutes.
I know it'll be deserving! 👍
Adore you and your videos ❤
I don't have ABS but I am in recovery. I go to meetings. I still see a doctor who specializes in addiction medicine as my PCP. You are right, it is very misunderstood. It's gotten better than it was 24 years ago when I first began this journey but there is still a long way to go.
This was such a fascinating upload. I had never heard of ABS. That must have been so frightening for these couples. They are very lucky to have had wives who fought for them and believed them, rather than accusing them of drinking behind their backs.
Wow this is wild
Many doctors weren't able to diagnose them how sad
Obsessed w that glamour shot of Danny and Michelle❤
Unbelievable story.
I first heard about this condition watching a story on Mr. Ballen's channel. Just 😮 wow
I have been so sick in my stomach, losing so much weight, feeling weak....
I changed locks at my door and I haven't been sick ever since 😂😂!
I cannot imagine how stressful and intense this experience must be for the patient and their families
Less than a minute in and the title makes me think auto-brewery syndrome. Missed you Petal! Hope you've had some improvements in your health.
Before going into details I immediately thought of ABS! My memory is a little fuzzy but Few years ago i remember reading about it especially the case of a woman that gave birth to couple of babies that tested positive for FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome).I think she gave birth to 3 and each time, the child was taken away by CPS. It took them years to figure it out.
Thank you for educating people on the gut microbiome, it's a booming area of research that was ignored for way too long in the past. It seems like every day we find out a new function of the microbiome, and we say "damn, why haven't we thought of this before?" We have many other microbiomes, on our skin, in our bladders, in our vaginas, even in our lungs. These are not so well studied and I can't wait to see what knowledge the future will bring.
Thank you also for showing that antibiotics, despite being such a routine treatment, have big consequences. Some doctors prescribe them like candy though, and in some cases the validity of the antibiotic treatment's dose and length is very questionable. Sometimes doctors will even give you antibiotics for viral infections, "just in case", even though we know very well that antibiotics don't work against viruses.
Our son has many automatic nervous system diagnoses and autoimmune diseases. He’s doing well due to amazing specialists. However two years ago he developed Selective IGM deficiency. He’s mostly homebound, but he chooses activities that may introduce infection and the possible results of developing an infection. What activities are worth taking the chance of dying? We respect all of his choices. This is such a rare diagnosis. Would you consider covering IGM deficiency? Thank you for your channel and your videos. ❤️
Now I'm picturing somebody with this condition who IS an actual alcoholic ALSO. So they deliberately keep loading up on carbs to stay drunk. There must be at least one person in the world like this.
Tbh I as a factory mechanic, if I was also the team manager, I wouldn't hire someone with a DUI history or ABS. Not because I'm a cruel and biased prick, but because it would be dangerous. I'm cleaner than grandma's kitchen and even I almost lost a finger here and there. I knew a dude who had ONE beer during lunch break, later he fell down an unfinished staircase, it was a construction site, while hitting scaffolding on his way down. He didn't survive it. His widow and kids didn't receive a single penny because the autopsy revealed that he had an absolutely ridiculous small amount of alcohol in his blood.
I nearly died from a PE 2y ago and hearing that oxygen level is amazing that he didnt die, i dipped into the high 70s between two hospital stays and it was hellish
RIP Danny ❤. I'm surprised more people don't have this condition esp those on longer-term antibiotics. Congrats on your graduation 🎉🎉☺️☺️
Jeez! This disease seems like an awake nightmare!
Couldn’t watch earlier because I was out for mother’s day but now I can yaaaaay.
In South Africa, when you are given antibiotics, you are also given probiotics. This is to help regrow the good bacteria in the gut.
Typically it's recommended in america to eat yogurt for example. However it's not pushed too hard
My chiropractor has that. He didn’t know for many years. This was before he became a chiropractor and what actually pushed him to consider a career in health care. He chose to be a chiropractor after his diagnosis. He said that he even became violent when he had an ‘episode’. So, he went through extensive testing because he had no idea what was going on with him and people didn’t believe he was not an alcoholic. Thankfully, his wife stuck by him. Then one day they finally had an answer. His body converts carbohydrates into alcohol. It didn’t happen with all carbs at first but slowly it happened more and more often as time passed. He cut carbs and other things from his diet (and added some supplements that I don’t remember the name of). After a while he was finally able to get his life back. He’s extremely careful about what he eats since (and even with what he applies to his skin). He is such a great person, I am so glad my family met his.
NEW VID YESSSSA
I would really like to acknowledge that both of the women in these stories are total badasses!
Hi Petal. Do you have any opinion if using probiotics during their antibiotics might have helped prevent this?
I forgot all about this anomaly! ❤️🖤
Imagine being a doctor who just says “nah I don’t believe in that diagnosis.” Like what. Why r u even a doctor if you pick and choose medical conditions. Last time I checked, it’s not it job to have a personal opinion on a patients health…
Hopefully med school’s incorporate cases like this in their curriculum. Seems like once most doctors graduate, they are unable to further their education and knowledge. Shameful, but I’m glad you’re shining a light on this!! Now I’m officially more qualified to diagnose this than some doctors apparently 😎
I’ve only ever heard of abs thru a 4chan post where a dude tried to give himself abs by boofing yeast 😰😰😰
Not my recent GI bloodwork testing postive for brewers yeast...
Wow.
I’ve missed you so.
There's people who actively try to get Auto brewery syndrome which is wild like I get hating pasta and gluten and starch foods but dang.
As someone with an alcohol intolerance, I’d be livid if people assumed I was an alcoholic. Half a drink later and it’s like having the 24 hour flu
I'm so glad you did a video on this. This makes me think of the documentary Something's Wrong with Aunt Diane (I think it is Diane). If you haven't seen it I highly recommend it. Very very sad situation.