Side note I really appreciated that you said he “worked as a beggar.” I’ve never heard that phrase before and I think it’s really important to acknowledge that being homeless not by choice is a full time job that nobody wants.
I've heard so many stories of just how horrific tripping on Datura/ Jimsonweed is- many accounts about people who went into permanent psychosis after A SINGLE DOSE. The idea of being under its influence for YEARS is horrifying. I hope he was able to cope and recover.
Yeah, it's just giving you dementia like delirium hallucinations. Like sleep paralysis turned up to 11 and for hours or days. And it causes severe brain damage even from using it a single time you can be left with lasting damage. Same class as something like benadryl or dramamine. It's the closest drug to what looney conservative war on drugs people think smoking pot one time will do to you.
Gosh, I'm at the beginning.. I have read every experience on datura on erowid and etc since I found out about it 15 years ago. It's such a horrifying but interesting drug.
OMG this is legit my worst nightmare. I am so claustrophobic and being aware but not being able to cry out to people to not bury you? I cannot even fathom the trauma.
It kind of reminds me of the cook that survived 3 days at the bottom of the ocean in an air bubble in a sunken boat. Stuck down there hearing ocean life move around him and eating the bodies of those who died. And even getting nipped himself.
I'm very claustrophobic. I can't got to a grave side funeral. The casket going into the ground sends me into a complaint panic attack. This fear was added on to my many other triggers at my dad's funeral on Dec 12th 1983. Im donating my body to science
The minute you mentioned the argument with the brother, I knew he was going to have something to do with it. Going to these lengths over land disputes is very common in Haitian culture sadly.
i'd heard that zombies in our current cultural understanding of them came from Haiti and the blending of religions, but i'd no idea that those stories had roots in real life practices, this is fascinating! as an avid fan of ethnobotany, i'm very intrigued to hear about the scientist who figured out what compounds were causing these effects
PSA: don’t mess with Datura. Its preceding reputation as a punishing deliriant, often causing life altering psychosis and medical emergency, its medical status as a neurotoxic poison is well deserved. Hence: zombie man stays high and working for two whole years before escape, wow…. Don’t do it ❤🎉
Thier burial practices did not include embalming that replaces blood with a mixture including formaldehyde. That would have caused Clairvius to truly die.
This deserves loads more views. You have a gift for story telling. So glad that you came up in my recommended, I hope you blow up with popularity soon.
Ikr?! I can’t even imagine, especially not being able to move or anything 😩 Most definitely - it’s scary how powerful a plant could be especially considering how harmless they look
WOW what a fascinating case, so many twists and turns. diabolical too, like these dudes were really faking people's deaths and forcing them into slavery wtf!! 🤯 also i wonder why the critics didn’t agree with his research?! it seems like he rly did his homework, lol. what he's saying makes complete sense. i'm probably gonna fall into a hole reading about this stuff now 😅 but yeah great video, seriously like i'm intrigued & i wouldn't have minded at all if you kept talking ☺️ also i love your background!
Ikr?! Like it’s just so strange. And exactly! Apparently scientist Kao didn’t find tetrodotoxin when he was doing tests on some concoction they used. But, their concoctions would often vary in ingredients so I guess while there’s no way to tell which one was given to Clairvius (since it was long ago) regardless there had to be some type of toxin or drug in that paste to cause him to literally appear to be dead and have a death certificate signed by doctors 🤔 And aww thank you so much, I really appreciate that a lot! ☺️
Came from Stephanie Harlowe's page from your comment about your journey. I have never heard of this!!! You told this very well! You now have a new subscriber. I look forward to watching you grow
@@graceyoung3771 I can not remember which video Petal commented on that made me come here but it was about a month or so ago. Petal only had a few followers then
I love how u tell all of these stories that i have never heard on other channels! And you have such a soothing voice, & you're cute as a button, so that makes it even better!!! 🩷🙏
I study Biotechnology, and i know it isn’t even that close to toxicology or medicine, but i know this: Every body metabolises toxins differently. Depending on genetics and diet it is entirely possible that this „zombie” drug affects, or affected this particular community, even if it wouldn’t work on western people. When it comes to metabolising toxins, our bodies have great variation - i know this myself, comming from eastern europe - eastern european people are so acustomed to consuming large quantities of alcohol that we can often take doses that would render other people unconcious. Why? Because vodka and „nalewki” (beverage composed of some plant parts like fruits, flower petals and spirit, that are supposed to have some health benefits) are in our culture from a very long time. And on the contrary, maybe western nations react differently to some basic plant ingredients because there are in our diet, and this particular population has different diet, so „regular” ingredients have halucinogenic effect on them, who knows. In my opinion, this is the correct answer, and far more plausible than voodoo. Very interesting topic indeed.
(enthusiastic & happy to talk about this tone of voice)Voudoun is 100% integral for this to happen because of both cultural context and practical objective components. If it didn’t happen in this particular cultural milieu, the zombification wouldn’t happen. It’s a chain of things that happened to Clarvius: in total all these steps are parts of zombification. Outside of Haiti (setting aside a few other places and their cultures for just a sec) in Sweden for example, tetrodotoxin poisoning (deliberate or not) wouldn’t be followed by *exhumation* then serious physical abuse and also poisoning with a HORIFFIC deleriant potion… all those steps in a row with an end-goal (a subjugated human body without a “will” or volition at the service of an abuser) the “total package” wouldn’t be made/done. We can’t cull out all the components to leave us with just tetrodotoxin and then datura: these things are in potions and even their delivery methods are different to Western-pharma-chem lab modalities. The old-time tradition components are integral to even the tangible, study-able, potions and powders. Example (this particular example isn’t Haiti-bound) an “old tyme” priest or shaman or bokor or bush-doctor assembles a potion in a pot or a mortar & pestle and tells a Westerner “this song has calls to spirits in it. It must be sung as I combine ingredients A & B with ingredient C (ingredient C is warming in a cauldron).” The Westerner doesn’t believe in this guy’s “sprits” and sees the song as unnecessary and superstitious. He’ll eschew that part when he goes back to America or Sweden or wherever. Arrogant Western bio-chem pharma researcher doesn’t realize that the bush doctor’s song has 34 stanzas, and takes VERY close to 23 minutes to sing- 23 minutes of critical timing while 2 parts of his mixture get combined with a hot ingredient, which has just been taken off the fire. The exact time with the chemicals dancing into eachother as the applied heat is applied and dissipates is CRITICAL to the activity and maybe bio-availability of the product. The song WAS critical, and the Westerner is gonna wonder why this potion worked in Haiti, but it won’t work we he tries to copy everything back in his lab. (Sorry for the wall of text, I just honestly really do get exited to talk about stuff like this.) I can’t remember if my example came from Wade Davis or somewhere else
this is my #1 interest right now, it is so fcking crazy and i cant believe more people don’t know about it. i just bought a copy of wade davis’ book because im so hungry for more information. you have a gift for storytelling too. please keep making more of these!!
I know right?! I’m surprised it’s not talked about more often - it’s such an interesting topic. And thank you so much! I really appreciate that a lot. I definitely have a lot more videos coming soon (with much better research and quality)! :)
I knew it was definitely salvia, datura, or DMT that they were dosing him with. as for the tetradotoxin, i'm less sure about that, but he was 100% on datura.
I remember hearing about this case when it came out. I was really young and it’s one of the reasons why I have reoccurring nightmares of this same situation whenever someone I love dies (but ptsd to something unrelated also plays a part). I’m glad to know it had at least a more sensible medical and scientific explanation though because the version I read as a kid was obviously a tabloid and I just assumed it was a myth when I got older
The main issue is that he is presumably paralysed enough to basically stop breathing and for his heartbeat to be slow enough to go unnoticed. That does happen but his entire metabolism would also have needed to have slowed down a lot. The fact that there were apparently msny zombis makes it even stranger because in these sorts of situations, there are usually many factors that affect how much you need that would need to ne assessed during the paralysis (unless a lot of people just died like that)
this is one of the most interesting stories I've heard wow you did a great job telling it, too ! also, it doesn't make ANY sense to me why people didn't believe that the daytura and pufferfish toxins could do this to someone like hello what ??? it makes perfect sense that skilled practitioners would know exactly the right amounts of these substances to give someone to "zombify" them, it's not like super hard to comprehend that something like that could be done. i don know, feel bad for that guy who did all that great research only to have it ignored :(
The best theory I’ve ever heard about this case is that it wasn’t actually Clarvius who who was declared dead . It was apparently a pretty common tactic for people to use the name of other people when visiting the hospital back then in Haiti. I think I’ve heard of that somebody else went in, using that name and died. Clarvius split town over is legal and financial issues and came back when it was determined, they wouldn’t be a problem anymore a few years later. Pure speculation, but honestly makes more sense than the alternative and neatly explains everything.
I am instantly highly skeptical towards this. Zombiefication is one thing, but didn't the hospital check pulse/brain activity, etc? Or was that.... Not a thing in 1962? Also, why was there not done an autopsy? This man came in with scary symptoms like vomiting blood, and died after a few days of them being unable to find out what caused it - it feels like there should have been an autopsy. Did the family refuse it? But I also know that I am in no way qualified to even GUESS what those plants can and can't do; I'm a Norwegian daycare teacher, and my knowledge of plants kinda does not extend much beyond "lady's mantle and raspberry leaves work great for me against period cramps" and "no, little child, that's lily of the valley, don't eat that, it's poison", so... I know that this is so far outside of my scope of....anything. I refuse to even GUESS at what can have caused this. If it was real at all, and not a fraud. Though it seems....dumb and like a lot of work for... very little gain, if it was some kind of fraud. It doesn't make sense for it to be a scam either. That said, I would like to ask, because unless I missed it, you didn't mention it in this video. But like... Did they ever verify his identity? Like, dental records, finger prints, DNA...? Even if they had nothing of HIM that they could compare it to, they had his sisters. DNA was discovered ca 1962, was it not? But after he came back in 1980, they would have surely had SOME way to verify that he was indeed who he claimed to be, right??? Because well... Personal information, anecdotes, etc, it's all well and good, but it's hardly PROOF... Did they ever investigate and find the plantation in question? Any of the other workers who'd been zombies at that plantation? The voodoo priest's identity and grave? Anything at all?
I heard a skeptical podcast about the story ones that had a really interesting hypothesis. As I recall, it was that it was fairly common for people to check into the hospital under the names of others to get treatment at the Albert Schweitzer hospital, which was as the video states really well regarded in the area and not everybody could get in. The podcast speculates, that someone bribed let them use his name and went to the hospital with the symptoms mentioned above and died shortly there after. Since it was his name that was on the patient records, it was his name that went down to the death certificate. Clarvius took the opportunity to get out of town and run away from his mounting financial problems because of the family he had abandoned as the video mentioned, as well as his feud with his brother. He decided to come back into town years later after his brother died, and the issues with his finances seems like less of a problem he made up the story about the plantation and the other slaves Bokur to explain his absence. It’s speculation, sure. But what’s harder to believe? That a man was able to survive in cold storage, and burial over the course of days, then be continuously kept in a drugged state with many others, none of whom have also turned up, on a thriving plantation of which there’s never been any evidence? Or, a bribe, and a guy who was known as a bit of a scoundrel skipped town for a few years? All of that is setting aside the criticisms of wade Davis’s work on tetrodotoxin and the efficacy of the drug .
Hi Petal, I saw your comment on Stephani Harlowe page. I came to support you and staying because I enjoyed this original upload. Praying for your health and success on your channel😊💛 👍 Liked and Subscribed
Only a few months of uploads and you have Stephanie Harlowe fans flocking, so girl I’d say you found your niche. I just came across you surfing but as this is my background topic all day everyday, I was happy to add a new lady and (thank the gods) some damn diversity to my subscription list for this genre! Thank you for uploading:)
I dunno those Voodoo priests know what they’re doing. Those guys are super intelligent and they pass the formula down. It’s all verbal tradition. I’m convinced that they know exactly how to make the zombie toxins. Those scientists who wrote that paper refuse to believe in the power of oral tradition and belief in a higher power. Sadly, no other scientists are interested in studying this further. One paper is not enough to settle a scientific question. There needs to be randomized trials, animal studies, and most of all be willing to listen to the Voodoo priests. That stuff is powerful. No one could convince me otherwise.
Girl! I am loving your channel so much. I literally found you this morning, and I’m probably going to watch all 11 of your videos by the end of the week. May our Lord and savior Jesus Christ be with you and bless you.
I am honestly surprised that this video doesn't have more views and that u don't have more subscribers. You are so thorough; and have a very definitely tone and vibe as u tell these stories.
I read the story several decades ago. All I remember was that he escaped because the plantation owner died. My life was not so happy afterward, that's really cruel.
as someone who has had experience with dileriants i will say no they arnt really zombifying but you do get the worst sense of dread and fear you have ever felt, if it was datura i can see him being in so much fear of the world and his captor that he froze and submitted to the demands
You have to take a lot and I've heard from personal anecdotes and lots of Internet testimonies that it is NEVER enjoyable and they ALWAYS regret it it. PLEASE DON'T TRY IT!! if you really wana taste of stuff like that salvia is legal in md and dmt is far shorter of a trip but probably way way more enjoyable than both salvia and jimson. Please don't do it
This is so crazy omg!! I’m a black South African and I can definitely tell you that black magic is real. This particular zombie story is one I’m not hearing for the first time. Where my mom grew up, there was a guy that was around the same age as my mom and her siblings so they grew up playing together with other kids in the neighbourhood. When he was in his very early 20’s, he suddenly got very ill to the point where he had to go to the clinic. The clinic had to refer him to a bigger facility in the city with more resources to help him. He went with his dad who watched him collapse and “die”. Turns out he wasn’t actually dead, he had been “snatched” using black magic. It’s called “ukuthwebula” in my language isiZulu. Basically they do rituals using human and animal body parts and plants to create the “muthi” which translates to “medicine” in English. Basically the same thing happened to him like the person in this case. When they exhumed his body, they found a pig’s carcass. So yeah, I know this is real, I’ve seen it.
It took me a long time to figure out bc I'm pretty sure you didn't clarify what country this was (I was so confused until I googled a name from the map you put up) lol that this was Haiti .... If you can, help people like me who aren't familiar with these places a little more! Thank you so much! I appreciate all your vids regardless!!! 🫶
Growing up my parents would always tell me about this practice and about friends and family who fell victim to this. It’s interesting to see western media reporting this! 🇭🇹❤️
What an absolutely brilliant video, a story told perfectly. I found your channel yesterday and subscribed, in that time you’ve had another 800 subscribers. Very few channels grow so quickly, but in your case it’s understandable.
I think Narcisse's claims are medically unsound. You neglected to mention some of his wackier beliefs such as the fact that the boker turned aged zombies into literal cows and fed them to the slaves. Some aspects may be believable but when looking at the credible and incredible aspects of the story, like many legends, it does not hold up to scrutiny by the way I am a huge fan of your videos.
So today we have succinylcholine where a person is paralyzed but aware.Jimsonweed sounds similar to angel dust.I wonder,would he have been able to climb out?Probably not
Fascinating story! Thanks for making this :) VICE did a documentary on a zombie drug, may want to check it out if you can find it. May be the same one.
The back story that I member hearing was that Clarvious brother sold him to Sans Poel because he broke the social order. Their father left land to be shared between the brothers and sister. Being the oldest the father entrusted the land to Clarvious but he did. Not want to share the land. There were allegations that Clarvious had fathered multiples who he was not helping to support. The San Poel checked the allegations to be true. They paid him a visit to induce him to make restitution and "pay for plates" for the Emperor and Empress of the society. Unfortunately, he did not take that option. So, the society took him and sold him into slavery. Zombification is a punishment. When a person doesn't use there free will properly it can be taken away.
I think it's crazy that the scientists discredited him saying "oh those plants wouldn't have that effect.." when even antidepressants can have a "zombie-ing effect" on some people... not to mention what exactly are we talking about when we say "it turned them into a zombie " because to me a "real" life scenario of a zombie is someone who dies, comes back to life and is not fully "there" in the mind... i think this case fits that.... he did "die" according to the doctors, he was buried, they dug him up and he "came back to life" then they gave him other drugs that I'm sure made him act weird AF.... yea... if you didn't know any better... that sounds like a zombie to me...
He didn’t die because the guy who worked at the hospital morgue said that he was moving when he opened the drawers to put other bodies, Clavius even said that he felt pain when they nailed the casket. There is more than the plant,those voodoo priests not telling their secrets.Haitians usually said (Yo toudi moun nan). Wish is similar to “ under anesthesia “but been controlled by evil spirits.
The only part I don’t get is: How did the doctors not detect breathing or a pulse? He must have had both or he would have truly been dead. And second, is it even possible for him to have survived being in a fridge for that long?? Morgue temps range from 36°-40°. A cursory internet search reveals the real danger is suffocation, if the space is enclosed. It must have been a large space, or the air must have been circulated, otherwise he would have died in a matter of hours. There have been reports of people ‘waking up’ in the morgue after having been there for over 20hrs, so it possible I guess. Also I should note that severe hypothermia could cause one to appear dead/enter a coma. Also once he was buried alive he wouldn’t have had much time to live given the lack of oxygen and would have had to have been unearthed relatively quickly.
I knew it was going to be the brother as soon as it was said they had a falling out. I know it was cliche, but with it being Haiti and knowing about voodoo and zombification, I knew it had something to do with that
Side note I really appreciated that you said he “worked as a beggar.” I’ve never heard that phrase before and I think it’s really important to acknowledge that being homeless not by choice is a full time job that nobody wants.
Oh my God shut up
I've heard so many stories of just how horrific tripping on Datura/ Jimsonweed is- many accounts about people who went into permanent psychosis after A SINGLE DOSE. The idea of being under its influence for YEARS is horrifying. I hope he was able to cope and recover.
Yeah, it's just giving you dementia like delirium hallucinations. Like sleep paralysis turned up to 11 and for hours or days. And it causes severe brain damage even from using it a single time you can be left with lasting damage.
Same class as something like benadryl or dramamine.
It's the closest drug to what looney conservative war on drugs people think smoking pot one time will do to you.
Gosh, I'm at the beginning.. I have read every experience on datura on erowid and etc since I found out about it 15 years ago. It's such a horrifying but interesting drug.
You’ve explained the story better than anyone else’s.
Ah thank you so much! I really appreciate that :)
OMG this is legit my worst nightmare. I am so claustrophobic and being aware but not being able to cry out to people to not bury you? I cannot even fathom the trauma.
It kind of reminds me of the cook that survived 3 days at the bottom of the ocean in an air bubble in a sunken boat. Stuck down there hearing ocean life move around him and eating the bodies of those who died. And even getting nipped himself.
@@lynnkayee1015that video gives me chills no matter how many times I see it!
@@lynnkayee1015what??? Where can i get more information on this please?
@@chisomo8088 Harrison Okene is the survivor in question if you'd like to read about him
I'm very claustrophobic. I can't got to a grave side funeral. The casket going into the ground sends me into a complaint panic attack. This fear was added on to my many other triggers at my dad's funeral on Dec 12th 1983. Im donating my body to science
The minute you mentioned the argument with the brother, I knew he was going to have something to do with it. Going to these lengths over land disputes is very common in Haitian culture sadly.
i'd heard that zombies in our current cultural understanding of them came from Haiti and the blending of religions, but i'd no idea that those stories had roots in real life practices, this is fascinating! as an avid fan of ethnobotany, i'm very intrigued to hear about the scientist who figured out what compounds were causing these effects
Facts
PSA: don’t mess with Datura. Its preceding reputation as a punishing deliriant, often causing life altering psychosis and medical emergency, its medical status as a neurotoxic poison is well deserved. Hence: zombie man stays high and working for two whole years before escape, wow…. Don’t do it ❤🎉
Thier burial practices did not include embalming that replaces blood with a mixture including formaldehyde. That would have caused Clairvius to truly die.
I'm also here from Stephanie's video. This is a crazy story! I really enjoyed your delivery, you are a great storyteller.
Ah I’m glad you’re here! Thank you so much, that seriously means a lot :)
Omg are you talking about Stephanie Harlowe and do you remember what video it was?
@@sophiechiewtrakoon yes, she was in the comment section, not part of the video.
Haven’t heard of this case before but it’s so interesting. Definitely think the drugging had something to do with his symptoms. Great video!
Ah yes, I agree. Thank you so much, I appreciate that!
This deserves loads more views. You have a gift for story telling. So glad that you came up in my recommended, I hope you blow up with popularity soon.
I think she rivals Mr. Ballen! The female version. So good!
@@katharineanonymous6992 she does
That anthropologist ended up writing a book and it got turned into a movie! "The Serpent and the Rainbow"
That film terrified my childhood! 😅
This is wild!!! Being buried alive is one of my greatest fears😮
I think maybe a plant toxin could have something to do with some of this story
Ikr?! I can’t even imagine, especially not being able to move or anything 😩 Most definitely - it’s scary how powerful a plant could be especially considering how harmless they look
@@PetalPalmer absolutely, and there are so many that are pretty lethal!
WOW what a fascinating case, so many twists and turns. diabolical too, like these dudes were really faking people's deaths and forcing them into slavery wtf!! 🤯
also i wonder why the critics didn’t agree with his research?! it seems like he rly did his homework, lol. what he's saying makes complete sense. i'm probably gonna fall into a hole reading about this stuff now 😅
but yeah great video, seriously like i'm intrigued & i wouldn't have minded at all if you kept talking ☺️ also i love your background!
Ikr?! Like it’s just so strange.
And exactly! Apparently scientist Kao didn’t find tetrodotoxin when he was doing tests on some concoction they used. But, their concoctions would often vary in ingredients so I guess while there’s no way to tell which one was given to Clairvius (since it was long ago) regardless there had to be some type of toxin or drug in that paste to cause him to literally appear to be dead and have a death certificate signed by doctors 🤔
And aww thank you so much, I really appreciate that a lot! ☺️
Fascinating story! Disturbing, too...His brother having this done to him is pretty messed up...
"It be yuh own family!" as the kids say. Lol!
Came from Stephanie Harlowe's page from your comment about your journey. I have never heard of this!!! You told this very well! You now have a new subscriber. I look forward to watching you grow
Ah thank you so much! That seriously means a lot to me! So excited to share more stories on here :)
Ohh I love Stephanie Harlow too. What episode are you referring to?
@@graceyoung3771 I can not remember which video Petal commented on that made me come here but it was about a month or so ago. Petal only had a few followers then
I love how u tell all of these stories that i have never heard on other channels! And you have such a soothing voice, & you're cute as a button, so that makes it even better!!!
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Aw thank you so much, you’re so sweet! I definitely can’t wait to share more lesser known and underreported stories. ❤️
I study Biotechnology, and i know it isn’t even that close to toxicology or medicine, but i know this: Every body metabolises toxins differently. Depending on genetics and diet it is entirely possible that this „zombie” drug affects, or affected this particular community, even if it wouldn’t work on western people. When it comes to metabolising toxins, our bodies have great variation - i know this myself, comming from eastern europe - eastern european people are so acustomed to consuming large quantities of alcohol that we can often take doses that would render other people unconcious. Why? Because vodka and „nalewki” (beverage composed of some plant parts like fruits, flower petals and spirit, that are supposed to have some health benefits) are in our culture from a very long time. And on the contrary, maybe western nations react differently to some basic plant ingredients because there are in our diet, and this particular population has different diet, so „regular” ingredients have halucinogenic effect on them, who knows. In my opinion, this is the correct answer, and far more plausible than voodoo. Very interesting topic indeed.
(enthusiastic & happy to talk about this tone of voice)Voudoun is 100% integral for this to happen because of both cultural context and practical objective components. If it didn’t happen in this particular cultural milieu, the zombification wouldn’t happen. It’s a chain of things that happened to Clarvius: in total all these steps are parts of zombification. Outside of Haiti (setting aside a few other places and their cultures for just a sec) in Sweden for example, tetrodotoxin poisoning (deliberate or not) wouldn’t be followed by *exhumation* then serious physical abuse and also poisoning with a HORIFFIC deleriant potion… all those steps in a row with an end-goal (a subjugated human body without a “will” or volition at the service of an abuser) the “total package” wouldn’t be made/done. We can’t cull out all the components to leave us with just tetrodotoxin and then datura: these things are in potions and even their delivery methods are different to Western-pharma-chem lab modalities. The old-time tradition components are integral to even the tangible, study-able, potions and powders. Example (this particular example isn’t Haiti-bound) an “old tyme” priest or shaman or bokor or bush-doctor assembles a potion in a pot or a mortar & pestle and tells a Westerner “this song has calls to spirits in it. It must be sung as I combine ingredients A & B with ingredient C (ingredient C is warming in a cauldron).” The Westerner doesn’t believe in this guy’s “sprits” and sees the song as unnecessary and superstitious. He’ll eschew that part when he goes back to America or Sweden or wherever. Arrogant Western bio-chem pharma researcher doesn’t realize that the bush doctor’s song has 34 stanzas, and takes VERY close to 23 minutes to sing- 23 minutes of critical timing while 2 parts of his mixture get combined with a hot ingredient, which has just been taken off the fire. The exact time with the chemicals dancing into eachother as the applied heat is applied and dissipates is CRITICAL to the activity and maybe bio-availability of the product. The song WAS critical, and the Westerner is gonna wonder why this potion worked in Haiti, but it won’t work we he tries to copy everything back in his lab. (Sorry for the wall of text, I just honestly really do get exited to talk about stuff like this.) I can’t remember if my example came from Wade Davis or somewhere else
Heyyyyyy love to see more black women true crime creators! I’m here for it!
Yesss! She coming with new info on the old and some stories Ive never heard, ok! Slay...
VOODOO?!??!? 😱 I did NOT see that coming! What a interesting twist in a medical mystery! Great job Petal ❤
I took a black experience class last semester in college and we talked about the “zombies” and Hatian voodoo. It is so interesting and great video too
This was wild. Also very refreshing to hear someone bring up vodou without demonizing it ❤
This might be the most interesting story i have ever heard! and im watching true crime on UA-cam like all the time. love your channel and your energy.
Ah thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed it :)
Great video, Petal! Wonderful storytelling and you have a lovely voice. Subscribed.
Ah thank you so much! Such a kind comment - I appreciate that a lot :)
this is my #1 interest right now, it is so fcking crazy and i cant believe more people don’t know about it. i just bought a copy of wade davis’ book because im so hungry for more information. you have a gift for storytelling too. please keep making more of these!!
I know right?! I’m surprised it’s not talked about more often - it’s such an interesting topic. And thank you so much! I really appreciate that a lot. I definitely have a lot more videos coming soon (with much better research and quality)! :)
I knew it was definitely salvia, datura, or DMT that they were dosing him with. as for the tetradotoxin, i'm less sure about that, but he was 100% on datura.
I remember hearing about this case when it came out. I was really young and it’s one of the reasons why I have reoccurring nightmares of this same situation whenever someone I love dies (but ptsd to something unrelated also plays a part). I’m glad to know it had at least a more sensible medical and scientific explanation though because the version I read as a kid was obviously a tabloid and I just assumed it was a myth when I got older
The main issue is that he is presumably paralysed enough to basically stop breathing and for his heartbeat to be slow enough to go unnoticed. That does happen but his entire metabolism would also have needed to have slowed down a lot. The fact that there were apparently msny zombis makes it even stranger because in these sorts of situations, there are usually many factors that affect how much you need that would need to ne assessed during the paralysis (unless a lot of people just died like that)
this is one of the most interesting stories I've heard wow you did a great job telling it, too ! also, it doesn't make ANY sense to me why people didn't believe that the daytura and pufferfish toxins could do this to someone like hello what ??? it makes perfect sense that skilled practitioners would know exactly the right amounts of these substances to give someone to "zombify" them, it's not like super hard to comprehend that something like that could be done. i don know, feel bad for that guy who did all that great research only to have it ignored :(
The best theory I’ve ever heard about this case is that it wasn’t actually Clarvius who who was declared dead . It was apparently a pretty common tactic for people to use the name of other people when visiting the hospital back then in Haiti. I think I’ve heard of that somebody else went in, using that name and died. Clarvius split town over is legal and financial issues and came back when it was determined, they wouldn’t be a problem anymore a few years later. Pure speculation, but honestly makes more sense than the alternative and neatly explains everything.
Wow, we have tons of Daturas where I lived, I always thought they were just some nice slightly weird flowers, no idea it had any effect like this.
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I am instantly highly skeptical towards this. Zombiefication is one thing, but didn't the hospital check pulse/brain activity, etc? Or was that.... Not a thing in 1962?
Also, why was there not done an autopsy? This man came in with scary symptoms like vomiting blood, and died after a few days of them being unable to find out what caused it - it feels like there should have been an autopsy. Did the family refuse it?
But I also know that I am in no way qualified to even GUESS what those plants can and can't do; I'm a Norwegian daycare teacher, and my knowledge of plants kinda does not extend much beyond "lady's mantle and raspberry leaves work great for me against period cramps" and "no, little child, that's lily of the valley, don't eat that, it's poison", so...
I know that this is so far outside of my scope of....anything.
I refuse to even GUESS at what can have caused this. If it was real at all, and not a fraud. Though it seems....dumb and like a lot of work for... very little gain, if it was some kind of fraud. It doesn't make sense for it to be a scam either.
That said, I would like to ask, because unless I missed it, you didn't mention it in this video. But like... Did they ever verify his identity? Like, dental records, finger prints, DNA...? Even if they had nothing of HIM that they could compare it to, they had his sisters. DNA was discovered ca 1962, was it not? But after he came back in 1980, they would have surely had SOME way to verify that he was indeed who he claimed to be, right???
Because well... Personal information, anecdotes, etc, it's all well and good, but it's hardly PROOF...
Did they ever investigate and find the plantation in question? Any of the other workers who'd been zombies at that plantation? The voodoo priest's identity and grave? Anything at all?
I heard a skeptical podcast about the story ones that had a really interesting hypothesis. As I recall, it was that it was fairly common for people to check into the hospital under the names of others to get treatment at the Albert Schweitzer hospital, which was as the video states really well regarded in the area and not everybody could get in. The podcast speculates, that someone bribed let them use his name and went to the hospital with the symptoms mentioned above and died shortly there after. Since it was his name that was on the patient records, it was his name that went down to the death certificate. Clarvius took the opportunity to get out of town and run away from his mounting financial problems because of the family he had abandoned as the video mentioned, as well as his feud with his brother. He decided to come back into town years later after his brother died, and the issues with his finances seems like less of a problem he made up the story about the plantation and the other slaves Bokur to explain his absence.
It’s speculation, sure. But what’s harder to believe? That a man was able to survive in cold storage, and burial over the course of days, then be continuously kept in a drugged state with many others, none of whom have also turned up, on a thriving plantation of which there’s never been any evidence? Or, a bribe, and a guy who was known as a bit of a scoundrel skipped town for a few years?
All of that is setting aside the criticisms of wade Davis’s work on tetrodotoxin and the efficacy of the drug .
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I think we have forgotten modern medicine is based on local remedies. Very interesting case.
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I dunno those Voodoo priests know what they’re doing. Those guys are super intelligent and they pass the formula down. It’s all verbal tradition. I’m convinced that they know exactly how to make the zombie toxins.
Those scientists who wrote that paper refuse to believe in the power of oral tradition and belief in a higher power.
Sadly, no other scientists are interested in studying this further. One paper is not enough to settle a scientific question. There needs to be randomized trials, animal studies, and most of all be willing to listen to the Voodoo priests. That stuff is powerful. No one could convince me otherwise.
The Serpent and the Rainbow is a movie about this case. If I was him I would have went after the brother
I was scrolling to see if anyone dropped the reference. I saw it in the theater. 1988 was a good year 😂
@@SpeechTammy was only 3 years old in 88. I saw it much later. 😛
The way I immediately knew it was the doing of his brother
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That would be craaaaazy to hear what people say at your own funeral.
I think the Haitians should keep the secrets, too much wrongs have been accomplished in the wrong hands.
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I am honestly surprised that this video doesn't have more views and that u don't have more subscribers. You are so thorough; and have a very definitely tone and vibe as u tell these stories.
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I read the story several decades ago. All I remember was that he escaped because the plantation owner died. My life was not so happy afterward, that's really cruel.
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This is a story that needs to be told me Mr Ballen
Very interesting! I never knew anything about any of this. I really like your videos 😊😊😊
as someone who has had experience with dileriants i will say no they arnt really zombifying but you do get the worst sense of dread and fear you have ever felt, if it was datura i can see him being in so much fear of the world and his captor that he froze and submitted to the demands
I learned about this when I was in French class in high school and have always found it fascinating and terrifying!!
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Great content! I love to listen to stuff like this!
Jimson Weed is a common plant where I live in PA. I wonder if it has any psychopharmacological effects by itself. 🌱🍃😵💫
You have to take a lot and I've heard from personal anecdotes and lots of Internet testimonies that it is NEVER enjoyable and they ALWAYS regret it it. PLEASE DON'T TRY IT!! if you really wana taste of stuff like that salvia is legal in md and dmt is far shorter of a trip but probably way way more enjoyable than both salvia and jimson. Please don't do it
Don't ever do it. It's the nightmare plant. Read erowid experiences on datura. It's terrifying
Mescaline is always a good trip .. but LSD can be a nightmare.I believe your experience depends on your mood before ingesting it DMT is in US?
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I'm confused by the tense. The use of "would" feels odd, or is it just me?
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I honestly expected the answer to be scopolamine.
Scopolomine is made from datura.
This is so crazy omg!! I’m a black South African and I can definitely tell you that black magic is real. This particular zombie story is one I’m not hearing for the first time. Where my mom grew up, there was a guy that was around the same age as my mom and her siblings so they grew up playing together with other kids in the neighbourhood. When he was in his very early 20’s, he suddenly got very ill to the point where he had to go to the clinic. The clinic had to refer him to a bigger facility in the city with more resources to help him. He went with his dad who watched him collapse and “die”. Turns out he wasn’t actually dead, he had been “snatched” using black magic. It’s called “ukuthwebula” in my language isiZulu. Basically they do rituals using human and animal body parts and plants to create the “muthi” which translates to “medicine” in English. Basically the same thing happened to him like the person in this case. When they exhumed his body, they found a pig’s carcass. So yeah, I know this is real, I’ve seen it.
As soon as I heard about the brother, and land, I knew he was getting betrayed. It really be your own people
sometimes.
What is a boker ? I never heard that name as a voodoo preist. This story has many holes .
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Interesting case! Thanks!
This was the story that inspired the movie "The Serpent and the Rainbow" in 1988. I used to love that movie when I was a child
Thank You
datura is a genuinely beautiful plant though, it’s like a cousin to the moonflower
Damn thanks for giving us the reciepe and location to find them. 😂
It took me a long time to figure out bc I'm pretty sure you didn't clarify what country this was (I was so confused until I googled a name from the map you put up) lol that this was Haiti .... If you can, help people like me who aren't familiar with these places a little more! Thank you so much! I appreciate all your vids regardless!!! 🫶
This sounds like a movie plot, poor Clairvius
I believe this!!! You cannot ignore that this man was prounounced dead and buried.
Growing up my parents would always tell me about this practice and about friends and family who fell victim to this. It’s interesting to see western media reporting this! 🇭🇹❤️
Your voice and way of storytelling reminds me a bit of abitfrank! You're a very good storyteller, I like falling asleep and crafting to your vids :}
It's fascinating how these bokurs figured out how to dose this stuff properly to make it work.
Scary
Great video. zombification is real & many plants are toxic enough to cause delusion. Please do video on zombification if u can
What an absolutely brilliant video, a story told perfectly. I found your channel yesterday and subscribed, in that time you’ve had another 800 subscribers. Very few channels grow so quickly, but in your case it’s understandable.
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I think Narcisse's claims are medically unsound. You neglected to mention some of his wackier beliefs such as the fact that the boker turned aged zombies into literal cows and fed them to the slaves. Some aspects may be believable but when looking at the credible and incredible aspects of the story, like many legends, it does not hold up to scrutiny
by the way I am a huge fan of your videos.
How terrifying
YOOOO WHATTTTTTT THE HELL THIS IS INSANITY
It is horrifying, but unhinged stories from the past like this one are also oddly entertaining ngl.
So today we have succinylcholine where a person is paralyzed but aware.Jimsonweed sounds similar to angel dust.I wonder,would he have been able to climb out?Probably not
Fascinating story! Thanks for making this :) VICE did a documentary on a zombie drug, may want to check it out if you can find it. May be the same one.
The back story that I member hearing was that Clarvious brother sold him to Sans Poel because he broke the social order. Their father left land to be shared between the brothers and sister. Being the oldest the father entrusted the land to Clarvious but he did. Not want to share the land. There were allegations that Clarvious had fathered multiples who he was not helping to support. The San Poel checked the allegations to be true. They paid him a visit to induce him to make restitution and "pay for plates" for the Emperor and Empress of the society. Unfortunately, he did not take that option. So, the society took him and sold him into slavery. Zombification is a punishment. When a person doesn't use there free will properly it can be taken away.
I thought it was the use of the puffer fish poison. If i remember correctly.
I think it's crazy that the scientists discredited him saying "oh those plants wouldn't have that effect.." when even antidepressants can have a "zombie-ing effect" on some people... not to mention what exactly are we talking about when we say "it turned them into a zombie " because to me a "real" life scenario of a zombie is someone who dies, comes back to life and is not fully "there" in the mind... i think this case fits that.... he did "die" according to the doctors, he was buried, they dug him up and he "came back to life" then they gave him other drugs that I'm sure made him act weird AF.... yea... if you didn't know any better... that sounds like a zombie to me...
He didn’t die because the guy who worked at the hospital morgue said that he was moving when he opened the drawers to put other bodies, Clavius even said that he felt pain when they nailed the casket. There is more than the plant,those voodoo priests not telling their secrets.Haitians usually said (Yo toudi moun nan). Wish is similar to “ under anesthesia “but been controlled by evil spirits.
It’s like the movie Get Out
The only part I don’t get is: How did the doctors not detect breathing or a pulse? He must have had both or he would have truly been dead.
And second, is it even possible for him to have survived being in a fridge for that long?? Morgue temps range from 36°-40°. A cursory internet search reveals the real danger is suffocation, if the space is enclosed. It must have been a large space, or the air must have been circulated, otherwise he would have died in a matter of hours. There have been reports of people ‘waking up’ in the morgue after having been there for over 20hrs, so it possible I guess. Also I should note that severe hypothermia could cause one to appear dead/enter a coma.
Also once he was buried alive he wouldn’t have had much time to live given the lack of oxygen and would have had to have been unearthed relatively quickly.
I knew it was going to be the brother as soon as it was said they had a falling out. I know it was cliche, but with it being Haiti and knowing about voodoo and zombification, I knew it had something to do with that
plants are awesome, humans are scary
Nice video. The hospital of the picture is actually a Brazilian hospital. Viva o SUS!!!
So crazy😮
Wow just wow 😮 😮
I think it was the chemicals