mmmmmmmmyeah sure maybe. I could tell from very early on he would pick rogue though, it feels like he just made a video around a premade decision. But he speaks facts indeed!
@@Permuh I think that's more an indication of how people tend to pick their class. They kind of already made their decision before they know it. Regardless, I like the process he shows, which is a model people should follow if they are having trouble picking. Most "class picking guides" are really quite useless compared to this one.
The issue with Fury Warriors (and Rogues) in TBC is that they don't bring much (if any) raid utility, which means they're just "raw dps" picks and that means they'll be compared to BM Hunters, Warlocks and Mages ...which is a battle Fury Warriors and Rogues won't have a chance in hell to win at until (if) they get Warglavies and a ton of gear/support in the raids ...which until BT++ is a raid dps loss in 9/10 raid encounters. If you have a guild that is willing to carry your ass as Fury Warrior/Rogue until you start pumping in endgame then go for it, otherwise ...don't play Fury Warrior or Rogue.
Recently changed all the blacksmithing 1h weapons to Main hand on beta tbc, which means you can only use 1 dragonmaw/planar axe. Also still unsure if the haste procc was even able to double procc
I started in TBC with a Blood Elf Warlock, though I loved their starting zone and the concept of playing a warlock, I ended up hating horde as a whole and fell in love with healing, what brough me to main for years a druid. Now I'm really confused if I rather play a druid or lock, since I'm really short of time every day and cannot indulge in playing both.
If you want to play Rogue or Fury Warrior: make sure you're guaranteed a raid spot ...they're not "bad" but they don't bring much (if anything) aside from their raw dps. As RAW DPS you'll be compared to Warlocks, BM Hunters and Mages which you *absolutely will not beat* until you get (IF) glavies in BT++ gear. Not saying you won't beat Arms Warriors, Ret Paladins, Enh/Ele Shamans, Boomkins, Shadowpriests and so on ...you will. But all the mentioned classes offer *A LOT* of utility that means they won't be benched, ever ...as a Rogue or Fury Warrior you will be benched first in the raid if you require more heals or more ranged damage. Tanking... First and formost you need to be reliable yourself, meaning near 100% attendance to your guild raids- if you can't do that then don't tank. As a tank you have 3 good options with very different roles and strengths, Warriors are the best tanks early on because they can easily get uncrushable with Shield Block management. Prot Paladins will always be wanted in your raid for buffs, aoe tanking and so on. Feral tanks are the typical "go to" third tank because they can dps in Cat and do a lot more DPS than any other tank, in BT+ gear they become absolute monsterous tanks and might end up surpassing Warriors as main tanks. For Enhancement Shaman, first of all ...you're the b*tch of the raid. Totem Twisting isn't an "option" but a requirement, you won't even get to benefit (shouldn't even try IMO) from your own Stormstrike debuffs for bigger Earth Shocks- instead let your Elemental Shaman take those stacks for their damage which is better raid dps. You might even be asked to equip a level 60 crafed 1h axe that reduces armor of your targets (3x 200) on some bosses because it's a big raid dps boost, like I said: you're the b*tch of the raid. As a Shaman you're more or less always going to get a raid spot, that's your "carrot on a stick" for playing something that (objectively) is boring and "gimmick-y". In PvP ...I don't really know, you have "smash" setups with Ret Paladins and Arms Warriors in 2's but I'm not so sure that it can get to the super high ratings. ------ If you have a guild that will guarantee you a raid spot as a Rogue or Fury Warrior then go for it, otherwise I wouldn't recommend them ...at all. Arms Warriors on the other hand do well in Arena and there's always going to be 1 Arms Warrior in 25 man raids, similarly to a lot of other "buff roles" in 25 man raids you need to make sure your raid spot is secure. Likewise if you want to play a tank, make sure your raid spot is secured and that you're able to attend ~100% of your guild raids.
My personal picking guide: 1. The look of the tier sets , warlock, shaman, warrior, priest( in that order imo) 2. Vertical in raids or H-dungeons. 3. Are you in high demand . 4. Fun to play( won’t get boring). 🥁🥁🥁Shaman , with a warrior tank alt🥁🥁🥁
Agreed on alot of points about the Enh Shaman, but since you now only can wield one crafted BS weapon and that you will suffer a minor DPS loss from running a main hand and off hand with different speeds, there really is no mandatory reason to go BS anymore. Which means you can now be exited for weapon upgrades and actually picking a profession you want. Gonna main Enh Shaman for sure!
I've decided that I just love rogue, so I'm just going to grind gold and get ready for the gdkps. As fast as everything is moving, I think I'll only be a couple maybe three weeks behind.
I used to play pally a lot but I found being an old warrior main I really missed taking 2min breaks on wiping. Being able to chill for 2min rather then spam rezzing and trying to drink and buff in that 2mins just made the raid feel more fast pace then I was used to. For TBC I am not looking at War / Rogue / Hunter just so I can keep my bio breaks on wipes lol.
Imo Rogue should never get glaves because you ain't doing enough damage for it to make sense. The prot warriors get them and change to fury after. Fury is the I have tanked long enough to get glaves spec but you never go fury over arms before then.
People give glaives to Rogues because they pump late game, they are bis in Arena, and Rogues already are very good in pvp, and glaives are swords and Rogues benefit from sword spec.
If you -can- have a shot at warglaives, it is a no brainer. Rogues get good again in T6 if you have the glaives. But the sad truth is that for most of us, we will never have a shot at them (unless you pay for them ofc..sadly, or a GM / GM simp / GM waifu). Good luck on your rogue! Going Warlock and Boomkin myself :)
Considering I mained a rogue in classic, and they get really cool additions in TBC, Rogue was definitely a favorite. However, I really did consider Enhancement Shaman. You could argue that Warrior might more accurately be my main, it definitely would be my PVE Main, since i'm only really considering raidng on the rogue for glaives. But, I don't think there's any shame in selecting the same class you play the classic as your main in TBC, and even if I was just making up things that weren't really true just to justify playing Rogue, that's also the point the video. If you're looking for excuses to play a class, even if you can't logically explain why you want to play the class, if you just feel like you want to, you should probably just play that class.
You advertised this guide as a "class picking guide" but I found far much more about the content to be about you basically shutting down all the specs/classes that you don't like. Your vocal delivery was good, your personal reasons, well articulated enough(to the point that many rightly predicted that you're going to settle on rogue anyways, even though you said you wanted a class with more impact on the raid, like a tanking role). I suppose I have a bit of an opposite take many of your points, because my mains have typically been healers and much more focused on PvE. I think your guide would have benefited if it was more in a more general style, eg. "if you're a healer, what healing style do you enjoy more, direct heals, or hots?". What you also needed to mention is if you are a raider, then you want to make sure that the class you pick as your main, will actually be brought to a raid. There's nothing worse than picking a class only to be told "we already have 1, we don't need another". With the reality that you very likely won't be raiding with just one raid group these days, you don't want to be making the kind of mistake that will haunt you for the rest of the expansion. Rogues yes I agree are basically set to be the Warglaive bearer. But you need to be the designated rogue in your guild. That means outperforming all the other rogues, never ever missing a raid, being the kind of person that others aspire to be in both skill and personality...or just being the GM or Officer that handles the loot council lol.
The goal of a class picking guide is to eliminate the options until you end up with the class you think you will enjoy the most. You are right, I wasn't talking about healers much, because I wanted to show the actual process I went through. But if you ask yourself the same questions about healers you should wind up with the same results, ask yourself if you enjoy the rotation etc.
I also think the worst mistake you can make is to pass up on playing a class you enjoy because you're worried about getting into a raid group. In TBC, even the worst specs are so much better then the bottom end specs were in classic. Unless you have very specific goals to be in a hardcore Guild like I mentioned at the end of the video, I think the performance of your class should be pretty low on your list of priorities, unless you are a specifically performance-oriented player.
@@Vorpalwarp Well sure, but he didn't discuss that either? Would have liked to explore that because if we're being honest rouges and fury warriors are two of the least sought after classes in tbc for the majority of the xpac. It isn't going to be fun looking for groups for a much longer period of time then many other classes will have to. For me personally im leaning towards enhancement shaman, i have similar tastes to him but the desire for shamans in tbc alone make them a lot more viable in my eyes. Plus 5v5 arenas are going to be popping early xpac and shamans do really really great in there with totem support/windfurry.
I think it a fifteen-year-old game everything is viable. Especially in TBC, there are no memes specs in PVE anymore. I did briefly mention that depending on your goals and how serious you will need to play to achieve them, you might lean towards the class that's more viable for what you're trying to do.
I mained rogue in original bc. I had my best farming moments as an arena geared rogue farming with shadowstep and just having a blast as the most efficient farming I've ever done. I was killing demons and mote farming in netherstorm
Yes enhancement is one of the easiest classes to kite in tbc. Other classes have hard cc AND slows and enhancement doesn’t have any gap closers and only has slows
Shadow priest for me, I just love how useful they are, I don't care if I don't top DPS, I want to be useful. Being a mana battery for healers and maximising Warlock dps is truly great. I'll probably fuck around in arenas with my rogue, but I don't want to PVE with it because they're useless
@@josephtheisii9891 yeah great, you're talking about T6 content with both warglaives so very unlikely to get them both. In T4 and T5 rogues are useless though
You said you want to feel like you are having an impact on the raids outcome, tanking will for sure bring that. Nothing worse than a bad tank as a dps, a warrior can step up but a rogue just has to watch. Not to mention rogue and warrior dps is quite mediocre for a long time, and you never really surpass the hunters and warlocks was my understanding. I am talking about a raiding point of view, I am not really that hyped about PvP.(Which I figured out in classic)
@@maikel163 It's not Blizzard who tells you what to play, it's community perception and social pressure ...which is more often than not based on reality.
@@MrGlennJohnsen idk who you people are socializing with, but I’ve never been forced into a class/role. Pick a guild, build it with committed people and play what you want. You don’t need to be glad or top raiders.
I love guilds who try Min max bc they listen to comments like this being like only hunter and lock are good. I've seen a good rogue out dps an everyday hunter and lock. Playing a good class doesn't make you good, please try and remember that.
In an ideal world, where you get instantly invited to any party, I would play a ranged dps like mage. But since I want to have an easy time finding I will prob roll a healer. (Would pick resto shaman but char boost trolling me lol. So I guess priest maby?)
No hate but i find your reasonings fun. Everything thats not zugzug, and takes some effort with the rotation to do optimal damage or relies on CC/has mana = no xD
I just prefer these in PvP or PVE there's some skill cap, some room for growth. I can separate myself from other players the same class by playing better. If a class has a one button rotation, it could feel like there's not much to focus on improving at least in PVE.
Best guide how to chose class if you are in gard core guild or not. I'll going main rogue alt shamay elemental or enchansment will see on prices how will go what would be cheeper :)
The thing is I’ve always loved rogue aesthetic and fantasy but I’ve never played one at max level so I would be scared of getting overwhelmed at max level with rotation :( or I’d boost that one.
If you want to make the most out of the rotation it is a little more involved than most, but as with pretty much any class in TBC, any skill level can play any class. May take you a little bit longer than other classes to play spec optimally, but for the vast majority of the game you don't really have to anyway. If I were you I would just play a rogue.
It will be fine, I think of you ask most people that are preparing really hard it's mainly for fun, and they're trying to get really far ahead really quickly. I think the best way to prepare is to just level characters.
You saying you're going to be a nelf rogue makes me want to stiick with my nelf. Im currently leveling a human since the racial is so damn good in TBC arena
Good guide, I will say tho, unless someone has a guaranteed raidslot already, I would not run rogue or warrior. Rogues are not that good and with most guilds cutting their warrior slots from 10-15 to 2-3, there are going to be a huge number of warriors desperately looking for a guild slot.
I like meele pvp.... but every meele needs the best gear and i feel meele is harder casue its more chaotic - u in the middle of the running and jumping in pvp at least... every caster classs is over complicated or boring (like hunter drain mana, scorpion in arena so boring)... so it has to be Mage... Mage doesnt need the best gear, is simple, strong, fits with almost every comp in arena, has good CCs.. the only problem is - mage is cooldown dependent in BGs and he is not that good of a farmer anymore :(
Man, the video is great and your way of picking a class is great, just kind of a big deal that you instantly say "im not gonna speak about half the classes". It's not really a class picking guide, it's a "which class am I gonna play" video. Super annoying.
Why can’t a fury Warriors get glaives????? Usually it’s awarded to the player, not the class, unless you’re on a super hardcore guild, and even there, it would go to the warr since they do more dps than rogues.
chances are you wont have a fury warrior in the raid.. It doesnt bring anything at all and has mediocre dps while arms at least brings the 4% physical dmg debuff. Rogues scale quite well and you might actually have one in the raid(and they also do more dmg than both warrior specs)
am a be the same thing Selling point feral druid 2s wanna dps in pve but will be force to tank. Good luck pvp enh i try long time ago and i think in pvp losing match and winning match is big part of my pvp chose. My favorite 1v1 is definitely is by far rogue vs feral. Well why do i play feral over a rogue, i like to have option of support. I like that priest away ask me to pvp with them just because they know i innervate them and when i innervate them they tell me that they love me. Just the impact that innervate as is big part of the reason why i play feral. I dont use wolfhead in pvp because i save my mana for abolish poison. Powershift bear who is extremely under value
Pointless guide - too much arbitrary and subjective stuff. For those of you who actually need help picking a class first decide on whether you're gonna focus on PvP or PvE. If you go with PvP make sure you check the arena class tier lists (there are many of them on Reddit and here on UA-cam). Arenas are going to be pretty intense this time and playing an underperforming class/comp is going to be the most frustrating thing in the universe due to boosting and private server tryhards.
I talked about deciding on what content you want to do at 3:37 and talked about picking a class that will allow you to reach the goals you set for TBC at 29:00. But I do believe it for the vast majority of players, they should focus more on playing a classy think is cool and that they would enjoy the gameplay for.
I mean, there is already 100 guides that will tell you to roll a hunter, warlock or shaman for PvE and/or Rogue, Lock, Druid for PvP - if that's the kind of video you're looking for.
The point of the video is to break apart about how to pick a class and he merely uses himself as an example, he isn't saying use his subjective metrics
This is easily the best video I've watched on this topic. Thanks dude.
Take notes people. This is how you actually pick a class.
Agreed. Great video.
mmmmmmmmyeah sure maybe. I could tell from very early on he would pick rogue though, it feels like he just made a video around a premade decision. But he speaks facts indeed!
@@Permuh
I think that's more an indication of how people tend to pick their class. They kind of already made their decision before they know it.
Regardless, I like the process he shows, which is a model people should follow if they are having trouble picking.
Most "class picking guides" are really quite useless compared to this one.
So you don't Google dps charts and pick the top one?!?!
@@BURRDAWG_ haha not if you want to enjoy your class.
This video is really good. Very high quality information and actually helpful! Thank you.
fury is still super fun in TBC... and it will be stronger than people expect because you get double dragonmaw in Phase 1 with 2.4 itemization
The issue with Fury Warriors (and Rogues) in TBC is that they don't bring much (if any) raid utility, which means they're just "raw dps" picks and that means they'll be compared to BM Hunters, Warlocks and Mages ...which is a battle Fury Warriors and Rogues won't have a chance in hell to win at until (if) they get Warglavies and a ton of gear/support in the raids ...which until BT++ is a raid dps loss in 9/10 raid encounters.
If you have a guild that is willing to carry your ass as Fury Warrior/Rogue until you start pumping in endgame then go for it, otherwise ...don't play Fury Warrior or Rogue.
Recently changed all the blacksmithing 1h weapons to Main hand on beta tbc, which means you can only use 1 dragonmaw/planar axe. Also still unsure if the haste procc was even able to double procc
For me having instant cast flight form, being able to stealth, and being the beefiest boi makes druid the easy class to continue being in TBC.
Hey that's what I was about to say
Druid for the win 🏆
I started in TBC with a Blood Elf Warlock, though I loved their starting zone and the concept of playing a warlock, I ended up hating horde as a whole and fell in love with healing, what brough me to main for years a druid. Now I'm really confused if I rather play a druid or lock, since I'm really short of time every day and cannot indulge in playing both.
Great video, I did a very similar process to decide what to play in TBC.
If you want to play Rogue or Fury Warrior: make sure you're guaranteed a raid spot ...they're not "bad" but they don't bring much (if anything) aside from their raw dps. As RAW DPS you'll be compared to Warlocks, BM Hunters and Mages which you *absolutely will not beat* until you get (IF) glavies in BT++ gear. Not saying you won't beat Arms Warriors, Ret Paladins, Enh/Ele Shamans, Boomkins, Shadowpriests and so on ...you will. But all the mentioned classes offer *A LOT* of utility that means they won't be benched, ever ...as a Rogue or Fury Warrior you will be benched first in the raid if you require more heals or more ranged damage.
Tanking... First and formost you need to be reliable yourself, meaning near 100% attendance to your guild raids- if you can't do that then don't tank.
As a tank you have 3 good options with very different roles and strengths, Warriors are the best tanks early on because they can easily get uncrushable with Shield Block management. Prot Paladins will always be wanted in your raid for buffs, aoe tanking and so on. Feral tanks are the typical "go to" third tank because they can dps in Cat and do a lot more DPS than any other tank, in BT+ gear they become absolute monsterous tanks and might end up surpassing Warriors as main tanks.
For Enhancement Shaman, first of all ...you're the b*tch of the raid. Totem Twisting isn't an "option" but a requirement, you won't even get to benefit (shouldn't even try IMO) from your own Stormstrike debuffs for bigger Earth Shocks- instead let your Elemental Shaman take those stacks for their damage which is better raid dps.
You might even be asked to equip a level 60 crafed 1h axe that reduces armor of your targets (3x 200) on some bosses because it's a big raid dps boost, like I said: you're the b*tch of the raid.
As a Shaman you're more or less always going to get a raid spot, that's your "carrot on a stick" for playing something that (objectively) is boring and "gimmick-y".
In PvP ...I don't really know, you have "smash" setups with Ret Paladins and Arms Warriors in 2's but I'm not so sure that it can get to the super high ratings.
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If you have a guild that will guarantee you a raid spot as a Rogue or Fury Warrior then go for it, otherwise I wouldn't recommend them ...at all. Arms Warriors on the other hand do well in Arena and there's always going to be 1 Arms Warrior in 25 man raids, similarly to a lot of other "buff roles" in 25 man raids you need to make sure your raid spot is secure.
Likewise if you want to play a tank, make sure your raid spot is secured and that you're able to attend ~100% of your guild raids.
The amount of ads in this vid. Wowza.
I saw no ads. It was nice.
I just have default ad settings, sometimes yt goes crazy.
Lol I got 13 of them. Shit's wild.
I saw zero ads because I’m not a casual.
@@jonathanwynne6925
Same
My personal picking guide: 1. The look of the tier sets , warlock, shaman, warrior, priest( in that order imo) 2. Vertical in raids or H-dungeons. 3. Are you in high demand . 4. Fun to play( won’t get boring). 🥁🥁🥁Shaman , with a warrior tank alt🥁🥁🥁
I always just play rogue. Have since tbc. Theres always been alts but rogue has my heart. Working on alts but thinking pally at the moment.
So many great questions are asked in this video. Much better then just the cookie cut “ locks and hunter are the best dps !”
Very thorough
Great process and video idea
Thats the best class picking guide on youtube. Btw we think the same about everything you have mention but I like hunter fantasy lol
Agreed on alot of points about the Enh Shaman, but since you now only can wield one crafted BS weapon and that you will suffer a minor DPS loss from running a main hand and off hand with different speeds, there really is no mandatory reason to go BS anymore.
Which means you can now be exited for weapon upgrades and actually picking a profession you want.
Gonna main Enh Shaman for sure!
I'm just happy I'll be able to play my mage, my main class since 2005, without everyone and their mother having a mage alt
I've decided that I just love rogue, so I'm just going to grind gold and get ready for the gdkps.
As fast as everything is moving, I think I'll only be a couple maybe three weeks behind.
me at 2 mins in: hes gonna pick rogue and a tank class, probably pally since they are op
Hell yeah brother.
Actually useful, thanks man :)
I used to play pally a lot but I found being an old warrior main I really missed taking 2min breaks on wiping. Being able to chill for 2min rather then spam rezzing and trying to drink and buff in that 2mins just made the raid feel more fast pace then I was used to. For TBC I am not looking at War / Rogue / Hunter just so I can keep my bio breaks on wipes lol.
Imo Rogue should never get glaves because you ain't doing enough damage for it to make sense. The prot warriors get them and change to fury after. Fury is the I have tanked long enough to get glaves spec but you never go fury over arms before then.
People give glaives to Rogues because they pump late game, they are bis in Arena, and Rogues already are very good in pvp, and glaives are swords and Rogues benefit from sword spec.
If you -can- have a shot at warglaives, it is a no brainer. Rogues get good again in T6 if you have the glaives. But the sad truth is that for most of us, we will never have a shot at them (unless you pay for them ofc..sadly, or a GM / GM simp / GM waifu). Good luck on your rogue! Going Warlock and Boomkin myself :)
This is not a guide to pick classes this a guide to decide which shammy spec you are going to go for...
Arms + Enhancement = full zug zug. Maybe not absolute top tier, but definitely a lot of fun!
Yeah, I'm definitely going to alt both for fun
Slam spec is all I want in life.
"Why I want to play rogue" is the correct title. At times feel like you're just saying stuff to get you closer to the predetermined conclusion.
Considering I mained a rogue in classic, and they get really cool additions in TBC, Rogue was definitely a favorite. However, I really did consider Enhancement Shaman. You could argue that Warrior might more accurately be my main, it definitely would be my PVE Main, since i'm only really considering raidng on the rogue for glaives.
But, I don't think there's any shame in selecting the same class you play the classic as your main in TBC, and even if I was just making up things that weren't really true just to justify playing Rogue, that's also the point the video. If you're looking for excuses to play a class, even if you can't logically explain why you want to play the class, if you just feel like you want to, you should probably just play that class.
You advertised this guide as a "class picking guide" but I found far much more about the content to be about you basically shutting down all the specs/classes that you don't like. Your vocal delivery was good, your personal reasons, well articulated enough(to the point that many rightly predicted that you're going to settle on rogue anyways, even though you said you wanted a class with more impact on the raid, like a tanking role).
I suppose I have a bit of an opposite take many of your points, because my mains have typically been healers and much more focused on PvE. I think your guide would have benefited if it was more in a more general style, eg. "if you're a healer, what healing style do you enjoy more, direct heals, or hots?". What you also needed to mention is if you are a raider, then you want to make sure that the class you pick as your main, will actually be brought to a raid. There's nothing worse than picking a class only to be told "we already have 1, we don't need another". With the reality that you very likely won't be raiding with just one raid group these days, you don't want to be making the kind of mistake that will haunt you for the rest of the expansion.
Rogues yes I agree are basically set to be the Warglaive bearer. But you need to be the designated rogue in your guild. That means outperforming all the other rogues, never ever missing a raid, being the kind of person that others aspire to be in both skill and personality...or just being the GM or Officer that handles the loot council lol.
The goal of a class picking guide is to eliminate the options until you end up with the class you think you will enjoy the most.
You are right, I wasn't talking about healers much, because I wanted to show the actual process I went through. But if you ask yourself the same questions about healers you should wind up with the same results, ask yourself if you enjoy the rotation etc.
I also think the worst mistake you can make is to pass up on playing a class you enjoy because you're worried about getting into a raid group. In TBC, even the worst specs are so much better then the bottom end specs were in classic. Unless you have very specific goals to be in a hardcore Guild like I mentioned at the end of the video, I think the performance of your class should be pretty low on your list of priorities, unless you are a specifically performance-oriented player.
One thing you didn't discuss is likelihood you would get a main raid spot for the class/spec you choose.
I think that kind of falls under viability
@@Vorpalwarp Well sure, but he didn't discuss that either? Would have liked to explore that because if we're being honest rouges and fury warriors are two of the least sought after classes in tbc for the majority of the xpac. It isn't going to be fun looking for groups for a much longer period of time then many other classes will have to.
For me personally im leaning towards enhancement shaman, i have similar tastes to him but the desire for shamans in tbc alone make them a lot more viable in my eyes. Plus 5v5 arenas are going to be popping early xpac and shamans do really really great in there with totem support/windfurry.
I think it a fifteen-year-old game everything is viable. Especially in TBC, there are no memes specs in PVE anymore.
I did briefly mention that depending on your goals and how serious you will need to play to achieve them, you might lean towards the class that's more viable for what you're trying to do.
I picked mine by creating a 58 of each class on beta. The one I died the least on is the one I chose.
I mained rogue in original bc. I had my best farming moments as an arena geared rogue farming with shadowstep and just having a blast as the most efficient farming I've ever done. I was killing demons and mote farming in netherstorm
Great video
Great video. Though process lvl 300. I myself want all roles and pve and pvp dungeons and raids areba and bg. Druid x2
Enhancement Kited? You have earthbind totem, poison totem, frostshock and ghostwolf!
Yes enhancement is one of the easiest classes to kite in tbc. Other classes have hard cc AND slows and enhancement doesn’t have any gap closers and only has slows
Solution: Evasion tank rogue
Naw, main tank for the raid as a disc priest LUL
Don't forget about boomkin, Mage and warlock tanks
For PvP Rogue... shadow step and cloak of shadow makes rogue an easy choice!
Shadow priest for me, I just love how useful they are, I don't care if I don't top DPS, I want to be useful. Being a mana battery for healers and maximising Warlock dps is truly great.
I'll probably fuck around in arenas with my rogue, but I don't want to PVE with it because they're useless
Yeah those useless rogues with warglaives doing 3000-4000 dps. Useless.
@@josephtheisii9891 yeah great, you're talking about T6 content with both warglaives so very unlikely to get them both. In T4 and T5 rogues are useless though
Literally calling Tier sets ugly which are probably the best looking sets in game. Shameful
Are you taking about druid?
@@Zatar Druid and Rogue actually. I get T6 but T5 and especially T4 of druid is cool af
thanks you ❤️
100% you should try tanking, its what its about
You said you want to feel like you are having an impact on the raids outcome, tanking will for sure bring that. Nothing worse than a bad tank as a dps, a warrior can step up but a rogue just has to watch. Not to mention rogue and warrior dps is quite mediocre for a long time, and you never really surpass the hunters and warlocks was my understanding. I am talking about a raiding point of view, I am not really that hyped about PvP.(Which I figured out in classic)
Play what you enjoy. Not what blizzard set you to play. Cause locks and hunters are the meta.
@@maikel163 It's not Blizzard who tells you what to play, it's community perception and social pressure ...which is more often than not based on reality.
@@MrGlennJohnsen idk who you people are socializing with, but I’ve never been forced into a class/role. Pick a guild, build it with committed people and play what you want. You don’t need to be glad or top raiders.
@@blahblahd2937 and if that’s the guilds you’ve been in then that’s fine for you, but it’s not common to find guilds like that.
I love guilds who try Min max bc they listen to comments like this being like only hunter and lock are good. I've seen a good rogue out dps an everyday hunter and lock. Playing a good class doesn't make you good, please try and remember that.
In an ideal world, where you get instantly invited to any party, I would play a ranged dps like mage. But since I want to have an easy time finding I will prob roll a healer. (Would pick resto shaman but char boost trolling me lol. So I guess priest maby?)
you find enough groups without heal
keeping those algorithms happy
No hate but i find your reasonings fun. Everything thats not zugzug, and takes some effort with the rotation to do optimal damage or relies on CC/has mana = no xD
I just prefer these in PvP or PVE there's some skill cap, some room for growth. I can separate myself from other players the same class by playing better.
If a class has a one button rotation, it could feel like there's not much to focus on improving at least in PVE.
Best guide how to chose class if you are in gard core guild or not. I'll going main rogue alt shamay elemental or enchansment will see on prices how will go what would be cheeper :)
Lost so much credibility when you called that mace ugly.
The thing is I’ve always loved rogue aesthetic and fantasy but I’ve never played one at max level so I would be scared of getting overwhelmed at max level with rotation :( or I’d boost that one.
If you want to make the most out of the rotation it is a little more involved than most, but as with pretty much any class in TBC, any skill level can play any class. May take you a little bit longer than other classes to play spec optimally, but for the vast majority of the game you don't really have to anyway.
If I were you I would just play a rogue.
Is it bad if you not repare for tbc ? is it gonna be a hell
It will be fine, I think of you ask most people that are preparing really hard it's mainly for fun, and they're trying to get really far ahead really quickly. I think the best way to prepare is to just level characters.
You saying you're going to be a nelf rogue makes me want to stiick with my nelf. Im currently leveling a human since the racial is so damn good in TBC arena
The Human racial didn't change till WoTLK, in TBC it has same as the one classic
@@eduardcroes5992 perception is amazing apparently for arena
Nice video but 9 ad breaks? Come on
Just use YT Vanced on mobiles, eliminates all ADs problems, and just support creators you really like with donations/sub, that kind of stuff
Ambush rogue for pvp farming and general solo play.
Priest for raiding
Good guide, I will say tho, unless someone has a guaranteed raidslot already, I would not run rogue or warrior. Rogues are not that good and with most guilds cutting their warrior slots from 10-15 to 2-3, there are going to be a huge number of warriors desperately looking for a guild slot.
I personally would recommend most people take the risk if they would enjoy the class more.
I like meele pvp.... but every meele needs the best gear and i feel meele is harder casue its more chaotic - u in the middle of the running and jumping in pvp at least... every caster classs is over complicated or boring (like hunter drain mana, scorpion in arena so boring)... so it has to be Mage... Mage doesnt need the best gear, is simple, strong, fits with almost every comp in arena, has good CCs.. the only problem is - mage is cooldown dependent in BGs and he is not that good of a farmer anymore :(
I have always had the same feelings about Paladin lol. Even in the Diablo series I can’t do it.
I was the opposite, hammerdins were my bread and butter
Edgelords for life, no pallies here
Paladin paladin paladin paladin paladin paladin paladin paladin
Man, the video is great and your way of picking a class is great, just kind of a big deal that you instantly say "im not gonna speak about half the classes". It's not really a class picking guide, it's a "which class am I gonna play" video. Super annoying.
It was not intended to be a class overview. Hopefully you can try to follow the same process yourself with the classes you like.
Warrior, rogue are winning for me
Paladin all the way.
Warlock Is my fate!
how surprising, a rogue xD I bet that many thinks the same and just want to hunt for glaves lol
OK but how do you pick a class when you weren't obviously going to play rogue?
caster dps are good in tbc, melee not so much
Why can’t a fury Warriors get glaives????? Usually it’s awarded to the player, not the class, unless you’re on a super hardcore guild, and even there, it would go to the warr since they do more dps than rogues.
I just meant that the ability for a fury Warrior to get glaives would not make me want to play it over a rogue, because both can use them.
chances are you wont have a fury warrior in the raid.. It doesnt bring anything at all and has mediocre dps while arms at least brings the 4% physical dmg debuff. Rogues scale quite well and you might actually have one in the raid(and they also do more dmg than both warrior specs)
Many people argue Fury Warrior scales into late game harder than Rogue.
rogues and warrs suck in pve dps early tbc. Keep in mind might be hard to get spots.
So you got killed by a paladin in your past lol
am a be the same thing
Selling point feral druid 2s
wanna dps in pve but will be force to tank.
Good luck pvp enh i try long time ago and i think in pvp losing match and winning match is big part of my pvp chose. My favorite 1v1 is definitely is by far rogue vs feral.
Well why do i play feral over a rogue, i like to have option of support. I like that priest away ask me to pvp with them just because they know i innervate them and when i innervate them they tell me that they love me. Just the impact that innervate as is big part of the reason why i play feral. I dont use wolfhead in pvp because i save my mana for abolish poison. Powershift bear who is extremely under value
Surely you won't be forced to always tank! As a bear, I'll probably have to cat on some fights!
you might as wel dont play classic than
Why did you ruin our guild man.. we were such a good guild until you destroyed it.
What happened?
lol talking abiut glaives, like you'll ever get them, it's irrelevant to put such an emphasis on that
This video gave me a u t i s m...
Pointless guide - too much arbitrary and subjective stuff. For those of you who actually need help picking a class first decide on whether you're gonna focus on PvP or PvE. If you go with PvP make sure you check the arena class tier lists (there are many of them on Reddit and here on UA-cam). Arenas are going to be pretty intense this time and playing an underperforming class/comp is going to be the most frustrating thing in the universe due to boosting and private server tryhards.
I talked about deciding on what content you want to do at 3:37 and talked about picking a class that will allow you to reach the goals you set for TBC at 29:00.
But I do believe it for the vast majority of players, they should focus more on playing a classy think is cool and that they would enjoy the gameplay for.
I mean, there is already 100 guides that will tell you to roll a hunter, warlock or shaman for PvE and/or Rogue, Lock, Druid for PvP - if that's the kind of video you're looking for.
The point of the video is to break apart about how to pick a class and he merely uses himself as an example, he isn't saying use his subjective metrics