If there is a reboot I hope it’s similar to what the Arrowverse did. Same characters and storyline, but now all in the same universe with changes here and there.
Yeah..., if there is a reboot I hope it harks back to those olden days of Marvel with stuff like the "Marvel: Ultimate Alliance" (2006) video game and "The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" (2010) TV series and the "Lego Marvel Super Heroes" (2013) video game. Please give us a good depiction of the original five Uncanny X-Men first class team (Cyclops, Jean Grey, Angel, Beast, and Iceman) and their origins and make their characters the main characters for once instead of skipping decades of development like the Fox X-Men movies. We never got a decent live-action adaptation of Cyclops or Jean Grey because the Fox X-Men movies only focused on Charles, Magneto, and Wolverine. The mainstream audiences and average movie goers need to be convinced of why Cyclops and Jean Grey are the leaders of the X-Men. Please give us the old Incredible Hulk back instead of Mark Ruffalo's Professor Hulk. Please give us a Thor who's actually a god and not just some overly comedic guy that Taika Waititi has made him out to be. Please give us a rebooted Avengers team with Hank Pym / Ant-Man and Janet Van Dyne / Wasp being founding Avengers just like in the original comics and in "The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" (2010) TV series.
I had an idea for a Spidey film that now it would be considered inspired by the ultimate run but I had it some years prior It ditched the origin story by focusing on a Spidey that was like a decade active, a subplot I had in mind was if Peter was able to be in time to spend the 10th anniversary of Ben's death with Aunt May. Peter was close to his thirties and up until that point he only clashed against regular robbers and thiefs, until some of them got tired of always being easily capture, try to upgrade themselves and become sort of the Sinister Six
@@sigzbro The more they adapt recent stuff, the less faithful they'll get to be. Just look at Sam Wilson Captain America for an example, there's almost no material for them to adapt because it's so fresh, but they skipped directly to that, now they can't adapt past stuff without stealing from Steve's legacy. It's a no-brainer, recent material is never a good option, even if it's the best run.
Phase One: The Big Wheel: Ride or Die The Big Wheel: Return of Truckman The Big Wheel: The Third Wheel The Big Wheel: The Fast And The Ferocious The Big Wheel: Battle of The Carbon Emissions The Big Wheel: The Shaw-Tank Redemption Frog-Man: First Leap The Big Wheel Vs. Frog-Man: Dawn of Justice The Big Wheel: Tired of Tires The Big Wheel: One More Day The Big Wheel Kills The Marvel Universe
They should throw us right in the middle of this new universe instead of the very beginning. No more origin stories for characters we’ve already seen before.
5:55 completely agree. Scott Johnson will unfortunately forever be one of those guys who created something SO POPULAR and instantly iconic but whose name will never get mentioned with it unfortunately, only with him circles like this. His artwork is Marvel in the 21st Century
This is so true but then I see other people online saying they only care about marvel movies if it adds to the larger MCU and I just kinda 😭 Moon Knight was one of the best of the post endgame Shows, and it was a fully self contained story besides one reference to the blip. Felt cool to just see a new character and their world.
I don't know, I feel like the main complaint people have about the modern MCU is that nothing connects. Marvel's getting mixed signals when they're criticized for connecting too much and also not connecting enough
@@gavo7911 I honestly don't agree. I've never cared for the YA stuff done later with Noh-Varr or America Chavez but Marvel was doing nasty work in their mid 2000's House of M/Avengers Disassamebled/Civil War era and Young Avengers was no exception. The way it dealt with the fallout of Scott's death, added onto the Kang lore and gave me the only variant of the character I ever gave a shit about, tied in with the Pulse comics AND introduced multiple first time characters with charming personalities makes it a worthy counterpart to Young Justice and it deserves a good adaptation. Unfortunately they're muddying it with Kid Loki and America Chavez (and Ms. Marvel, who I like but isn't a YA) but if they had stuck to that original Iron Lad, Patriot, Stature, Hawkeye, Speed, Wiccan, Hulkling roster it would have be awesome. 🤷 young avengers 05 rocks.
@@gavo7911 tl;dr they may not have done it the way I think they should have but Young Avengers getting a movie/show is absolutely a reasonable decision.
My idea/theory for Wanda is that they retcon it so that magneto is their biological dad and then left. The mind stone didn’t give Wanda and pietro their powers but instead awakened their mutant gene, kind of like Deadpool.
@@Burger-g4v well, it was implied in Wandavision that Wanda had powers before the mind stone, when she apparently stopped Stark's missile from blowing up
@JustKrin An MCU book guide also mentioned the Maximoffs having latent genes awoken by the mind stone. It seems likely they'll make Magneto their father once he is introduced anyway.
MCU starting not only when they didn't have the rights to all the heroes, but also at a time when people weren't quite as open minded towards "fantastical" stuff (they tried to explain Thor was an alien) is really funny and interesting in hindsight, and it's interesting to contrast with the Gunn DCU. The DCU coming in when heroes are established, both in universe AND in just the casual audience's eyes.
@manzington To this day Lego Marvel is probably the best version of the Marvel Universe ever put to a video game....ok maybe Ultimate Alliance 1 tops it.
I think that the likely rout is focusing on the effects of the mutants being part of the new world and lead to a Avengers vs X-Men situation, but your idea is MILES better than that.
I’d love if Reed and Cyclops end up becoming the Tony and Steve equivalent of this next Saga. Basing the next saga off of the ultimate universe is a great idea. My ideal phase would be; 1. X-men - something similar to Superframe’s pitch of the og 5 vs magneto and Sentinels. 2. Ultimate Spider-Man - Taking inspiration from the Hickman run 3. Fantastic Four sequel - keeping the same cast as the movie next year and having the team go up against the Maker. 4. Hulk- could make it a hulk vs wolverine film with wolverine being a government weapon like he is going to be in the ultimate universe. 5. The Ultimates - based of the comic run, mainly focusing on Hank and Janet. 6. X-men sequel - giant size team vs Sinister. Edit: I’d also add a Black Panther movie taking inspiration from the ultimate run as it would be nice to see T’Challa again.
@@sudhanvahvI agree. But tbh I'd also not like to see Ultimate Spider-Man so soon. Holland just began his college era, I want to see him naturally grow into an middle aged, married Peter.
I'm afraid my MCU reboot would be too retro for most people. I don't really keep up much with modern comics. For example, my reboot of Thor would be more from a human POV. You'd see very little of Asgard. It would be about a disabled doctor named Donald Blake accidentally finding his life entwined with that of a Norse god and having to help said god stop other gods like Loki, Amora and Skurge from messing with people on Earth.
I don't think a hard reboot would be received well at all because it makes past events pointless by starting over So at best just introduce the Xmen and fantastic four and make them central and have the older Characters switch to supporting characters who still exist in the world
@@shippendales8543All marvel had to do was focus on another group of heroes and let the "avengers" be over with. Like introducing the X-Men and instead of having "avengers" movies as the big team up movie they should have just let the new centralized group be that big team up movie. Eg X-Men, fantastic four.
@@Aimville well he explains it in the video but back then, they couldn't do any movies with those characters since they sold the movie rights, so they had to gamble with the avengers and all those obscure characters. Like they could help out with Fox with the X-men, F4, Spiderman (pre civil war), but couldn't have them connected to the mcu back then. Why you think we never got or haven't even gotten a hulk movie aside from the 2008 film.
Honestly, not giving thor the Donald Blake identity was a huge mistake. They need to give it back to him. Like, people get all excited when they see Tony and Reed do science stuff together. Thor and Dr strange are literally both physicians. Why has that never come up in a story?
If I may? Some of the current comics have absolutely magma arcs that could be amazing if adapted. An immortal hulk/fractured son animated horror movie would be raw Smashstronaut can be used for space stories Theres venoms comics. Kindred would be a DOPE Halloween arc(which is funny because Nick Spencer ends his story around the end of october in 2021) Theres miles comics which are amazing Iron man supposedly has some good stuff The X men have raw stories from what I heard (X of swords was good) The F4 are on a come up She hulk is interesting Heck I heard captain marvel has some nice stuff Blood hunt I heard got crazy but was good
I read Hickman's Ultimate Spider-Man back in January and I've been reading comics weekly ever since! I think this new ultimate universe is phenomenal and I think it would be cool if it was adapated down the line. Although I am satisfied with reading peak fiction every month.
Regarding your previous video about the DCU Batgirl, I'd say that a great pitch for the DCU Batgirl could be similar to the recent run called "Batgirls" by Becky Cloonan and Michael Conrad, where it would be Barbara, Cassie and Stephanie working together. I think it would probably work best as a series and it would really help explore the characters and the camaraderie they share.
I always like the idea for a plot where babs in a wheelchair isn't oracle yet as she thinks she has no purpose in life anymore and through her relationship with cass and steph she realises she does and takes on that oracle mantle
Awesome idea, I also think that since the video games are gonna be canon to the DCU, it would be really cool to see a prequel game where Barbara is batgirl, I agree that the better role for her is Oracle and that’s what the movies should focus on, but a prequel game with her batgirl would be so cool, same with Barry Allen, I think there should be a flash game with him that serves as a prequel to Wally West’s movie appearances
5:45 one of the last gifts my Grandfather ever gifted me was a giant framed poster of this picture. It has remained on every single one of my bedroom walls since 2007
Honestly you're my favorite person I subscribed to this year as for how I would approach a reboot, I would honestly let go of the live action approach and just go full on animated with movies and television with art styles reminiscent of the comics. Cause you could do a lot with animation and comic accuracy and translating it. I would obviously do some changes like Spider-Man being in college or in his mid 20s, I also think it would be cool to see this universe set in the decades they appeared in like maybe in the 60s or 70s. My first project would be a Spider-Man show (obviously) and then a Fantastic 4 animated show that was reminiscent of Saturday morning cartoon with episodic adventures with an overarching plot line and the next thing I would do is an animated Hulk show with a much more dark and horror tone inspired by Immortal Hulk and other stuff with the X-men and other heavy hitters.
I would love a universe that's made up of animated shows with phase one being Spider-man and Daredevil (because Disney has free reign over bug-boy if it's an animated show that's under 45 mins), a Wolverine show where he fights the hand, a Ghost Rider show because an animated Ghost Rider show would go so hard and an X-men show where Wolverine shows up after a couple seasons to show you don't need him
My FIRST 4 movies for the new mcu will be something like this: THE XMEN:a team with the 4 originals, storm, gambit and wolverine NOVA: an origin story for richard rider version HULK AND GHOST RIDER: a very cursed idea, but is a duo I always wished to see, an R rated movie of course THE INVADERS/FIRST HEROES EVER: a movie placed in the 40's with a captain america post-WW2 recruiting union jack, namor and the classic human torch
I think it all comes down to a couple of key factors. Like the bun, the type of cheese, the beef, the sauces, etc. Like, that burger is gonna have to be damn good to convince Molecule Man to stitch this new world together.
I really like your videos, and your outlook on things in general. I agree that the best thing to do is to reboot in a way that feels earned and not arbitrary. Obviously audiences are not going to be a big fan of characters being recast after decades of growing familiar, but if the MCU or any franchise for that matter is going to maintain the longevity that comics themselves have then they need to do it. In the same way that comics change artist, eventually the MCU must change actors.
the ironic thing about that ironman armored adventures comment is APPERANTLY according to scources peter in the armored adventures universe was apperently gonna be older than tony and be his mentor soooo....
The reason they got rid of SHIELD was because in a world filled with superheroes, solo movies seem ridiculous. In cap 2, they needed to destroy 3 helicarriers. ONE phone call to the hulk would have ended the movie. Phase 1 only worked because no one knew there were other heroes around.
Wish more legacy characters got Billy Maximoff (Wiccan) introduction. Inteoduced with established character we love showing their connection and powers. Then show them gradually coming into own an realizing powers, and parallel to mentor aka the character they introed with makig them endearing. I personally dont care with new hawkeye or black widows etc. They all feel like "hey look at me im so young an quirky and oops better than old dump og who so old an boo" Billy Maximoff has given me hope they do know how to introduce future younger gen, but idk if films will give time for all the buildup for new kids, and new viliians, and getting to that level figjt cosmic entities.
6:13 I think I had a little box with landscapes on them like a city and stuff that had magnet figures you could put on them of Marvel characters that was very much this style.
I think it would make sense for the MCU to reboot after Secret Wars so it could introduce a new X-Men and recast the Avengers but the thing is, if they do that, what about all of the other characters they have introduced in Phase 4, like Sam Wilson Captain America, Yelena Belova Black Widow, etc?
Omg, I absolutely need to check out the new Ultimates for the new She Hulk, she's been one of my favorite characters Marvel has ever had, and with Tatiana Maslany being, honestly too good for Marvel, I'm glad the comics are also treating She Hulk well as a character
I absolutely adore the new Ultimate Universe by Jonathan Hickman and co. Ultimate Spider-Man (2024) and The Ultimates (2024) aren't just the best Marvel Comics out at the moment, but some of the best comics of the last ten years! Please adapt the Ultimate Universe!
My only irk with it is that it's called "Ultimates" when it's really another universe entirely. You see this in entertainment a lot with sequels made way later-on having the same title as originals, it's very confusing. But otherwise the stories are great, just please make the naming conventions easier to track.
9:14 hardest mcu frame without a doubt. great use of perspective by putting the audience into Loki’s shoes and seeing firsthand how formidable the first Avengers team was. great vid btw
I have had that poster you’re talking about since I was a kid! It moved from my childhood room, to my college dorm room, to my first apartment, and now it’s in my children’s room
I would have secret wars end with that version of doom dying, there being a new main universe. We have all new actors and actresses playing X-men, Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow, thor, Falcon, vision, Hawkeye, Hulk, Doctor Strange & ultron the only one i think they should keep because shes younger and hasn't been explored yet is Elizabeth olson as Scarlett Witch.
great video but I don't think we should be putting these fresh and creative new comics (which are still building their first main arc) into the slop machine.
14:42 Or Scott Pilgrim, they did the movie with the last volume of the comic not being finished, the author put plots of the ending in the movie and then improved on it in the final volume.
The Ultimate Saga is the perfect cheat code to bring Andrew Garfield back as Spider-Man again. Plus, the TASM fans will shed tears of joy to see his Peter Parker thriving, although in the form of a reality similar but different from main TASM continuity. Seriously, this setup of connecting even the butchered 2015 Fantastic 4 movie (Miles Teller as The Maker) in the buildup is brilliant.
Ngl, I'd love to see the DCU take elements from the new Absolute DC universe since that's their Ultimate DC. And would help them stand out from other live action adaptions.
I actually came up with my own take on an MCU, and divided it into 3 sagas, each with their own focus and BBEG: Phase 1 focused on the X-Men, with Apocalypse being the main threat; Phase 2 focused on the Avengers, though the big bad villain would end up being Superior Iron Man, as a way to subvert expectations; finally, Phase 3 focused on the Midnight Suns and the Champions. Spider-Man, the FF and the Guardians would feature on all sagas, though they never were the main focus.
I think the best to do it is go based on the comic marvels by Alex Ross explaining the marvels universe start to end what changes but still keep stuff from the old mcu. Probably post secret wars . This will also include X-men characters throughout the history
I have a love/hate relationship with these videos. I love the creativity and comic recommendations, but on the flip side of that, I got SO much content to get thru already (movies/shows/video games/comics) because I lived under a rock for the first 20 years of my life experiencing the same few movies, shows, & games but I decided to become open to new experiences and good god, there’s SO much I missed out on. Every time I watch these vids, you recommend a comic or two that I can’t help but wanna read, so I reluctantly add it to my already-bloated list. I didn’t even know there was a new Ultimate comics line or that Hickman started an Ultimate Spider-Man. I haven’t read a single Hickman book yet but I’m already eager to read it just based on the sheer amount of praise for his F4, Avengers, Secret Wars, & House/Powers of X (all of which I plan to get to within the next several months).
Didn't include a Big Wheel movie, Big Wheel streaming series, Big Wheel video game tie-in, Big Wheel x DC comics cross-over, or actual Big Wheel. Totally unrealistic reboot plans, instant dislike and unsubscribe.
Phase One: Captain America Fantastic Four Hulk Ant-Man (feat the Wasp) Spider-Man Thor Iron Man X-Men Daredveil TV show The Avengers. It's long but DC has a long first chapter too. Hell, I'd even like to see a S.H.I.E.L.D. centered movie/show to introduce Natasha, Clint, Bobbi etc
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With the direction MCU is going right now, here's I think what will happen. Wanda vs Doom in Secret Wars. Wanda beats doom and "fixes" the incursions but accidentally merges the timelines instead and gives us a new sacred timeline.
I feel that if they had the rights back in 2008, Spider-Man would've been the main character for most movies in the MCU... and he would've had that gorgeous costume (NWH) from the beginning.
How I would’ve made the MCU Phase 1: 1. Spider-Man: same origin story as the Sam Raimi’s first Spider-Man movie but with Doc Ock as the main villain. Norman Osborne is present in the movie but isn’t Green Goblin yet. Also mentions Oscorp industries rivalry with Stark industries. Peter will also be working for the daily bugle (newscast not newspaper) as a part time job and will also be seen taking pictures but on an iPhone instead of a camera while fighting crime. 2. Fantastic Four 3. X-Men 4. Iron man 5. Hulk 6. Thor 7. Captain America: The First Avenger 8. The Avengers (introducing black widow and Hawkeye ) Phase 2: 1. Spider-Man sequel 2. Fantastic Four sequel 3. X-Men sequel (introduces Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch) 4. Daredevil 5. Black panther 6. Doctor Strange 7. Captain America: Winter Soldier 8. Ant Man and the Wasp 9. Avengers: Age of Ultron Phase 3: 1. Iron man sequel 2. Hulk sequel 3. Thor sequel 4. Spider-Man sequel (introducing Miles Morales) 5. Captain America: Civil War 6. The Wolverine 7. Deadpool 8. Ghost Rider 9. Avengers: Infinity War 10. X-Force 11. Avengers: Endgame
We shouldn't do Black Widow and Hawkeye as founders again again NGL. The absence of Hank and Janet in the MCU is VERY felt and if we're getting a do-over, we should have them in instead. Janet named the Avengers and as Troy said is the HEART of the team, I'd save Nat and Clint for the sequel.
I have an idea!!!! 1943: Steve rogers is confirmed MIA somewhere in the arctic 1945 WWII ends. Erik Lenschire is ten years old 1969: fantastic 4 & victor von doom travel into space getting hit by cosmic radiation sending them thru time to ancient Egypt where they meet kang (stay with me here) 1971: magneto sparks tension between US & Soviet Russia by interfering in the Vietnam War, thus creating the x men. (I want this version of the og five to be in their late teens & iceman is maybe 13. That way the characters age with the world in real time) 1971: ben Parker is killed. Spider-Man is revealed 1972: tony stark is captured by soviet forces and held in captivity for almost a year 1974: iron man revealed. The fantastic 4 & dr doom arrives back during present day to prepare for the arrival of galactus. Galactus arrives ahead of schedule. Dr doom & reed Richards disagree on how to defeat galactus causing doom to sacrifice himself to stop it 1975: Trask technology steals secrets from stark industries leading to the creation of sentinels 1975: James Rhodes becomes war machine 1976: Peter Parker attends college 1977: Col. William Stryker & Bolivar Trask, against the orders of the us govt, launch an attack on mutant kind using the sentinels. The x men, with new members wolverine, shadow kat, colossus, storm, rouge & gambit, along with the brother l hood of mutants shuts down the sentinels. Magneto & his team retaliate against humans. After a defeat by the x men and humans, magus & what’s left of his brotherhood retreat to a long forgotten & secluded island they name “genosha” 1978: the mutant anti discrimination law is passed. Phoenix possessed Jean grey is killed that same year. Cyclops & Wolverine & beast quit the X-men. 1980: Thor the god of thunder travels to Midgard in search of new purpose to give his immortal life meaning 1981: SHIELD scientists Bruce banner is involved in a gamma bomb accident 1983: Loki in an attempt to mess with Thor sparks a war between Asgard & earth. This leads to the formation of the avengers. Iron man, Thor, SHIELD scientist hulk, ant man, wasp, SHIELD assassins Hawkeye & black widow, along with part timer spider man. The manage to expose lokis schemes & keep the peace 1984: Gwen Stacy is killed. Iron man now working for SHIELD discovers the remains of captain America 1985: Jean gray is revealed to be alive. Scott summer breaks up with Emma frost. Emma joins the brotherhood on genosha. Professor x & magus rekindle their relationship now that mutants have relative peace. The mutant Apocalypse is resurrected & hatches a plan to restore mutant kind. 1986: kang the conqueror shows up from the future to prophesied warning that captain with destroy the world in 10 years. Antman & tony stark begin work on project ultron. Jean grey (Madelyn Pryor) gives birth to Nathan summers 1988: captain vers of the Kree arrives on earth without her memory. The kree, sensing earth has been invaded by skulls decides to eliminate the planet. Captain marvel & the rest of the heroes beat back the kree invasion. Captain America & other world leaders are revealed to be skrulls 1989: battle world/secret wars 1990-94: black suit saga. Clone saga. Civil war. Death of Steve rogers (who’s a skull) Peter & MJ have a daughter. Destruction of genosha. Death if professor x. Days of future past event. All surviving mutants in present day create & move to a space station designated asteroid M 1995: kree reattempt invasion of earth revealing skulls on earth. Kree skull war begins. Kangs prophecy is averted Now if u read all that I’m sorry for u but also would say this is my general timeline for a mcu style reboot. I didn’t wanna include anything such as multiverse & time travel bc I frankly am not good at writing things like that & kangs time manipulation is limited in that he’s on a fixed timeline. With this I wanted to see what a marvel universe that took place in real time would looks like! Obviously there are gaps missing and you’d need an actual writer to put theme to these events and make them compelling but this is just what I came up with for what events I’d want to see in an mcu reboot with ALL characters available🤷🏾♂️
Personally I would’ve gone for an animated adaptation for the new ultimate universe. With each episode imitating the artwork of each book. But yeah it’d be interesting to see a reboot focusing on recent stuff
If I could have my wish the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe would be exclusively animated. Imagine each movie about a different hero being in a different animation style or something. Also I just think animation fits adaptations of the comic medium better.
I don’t know what I want from a rebooted MCU but I do know I want a hybrid mixture of JMD and Hickman 6160 Spidey. Like, Peter being bitten as an adult but the relationship with Harry is decades long. Uncle Ben walked MJ down on the wedding because she was closer to him than her own father. Have flashbacks to the Coffee Bean Gang with Peter, MJ, Harry, Gwen and Flash and in present day that friendship group die as Harry becomes the Goblin, Gwen trying to keep them together and her husband from going insane because she’s a protector like her father
You mentioning Scott Johnson's artwork just unlocked a long lost memory from my childhood. Holy Shit. Spider Sense Spiderman was one of the reasons I fell in love with superheroes to begin with.
My idea of rebooting the mcu to include mutants was simple. Professor X was doing a universal mind wipe to hide the existence of mutants from everyone and the after effects of the post snap energy surges (or the culling plus rebirthing of half of earths life) brought instability to what X was doing and exposed the existence of mutants. The first X-men show could be an anthology series of what various mutants were doing in the past or present leading up to their exposure, first movie would be the typical gov vs mutants shtick 🤷🏾♂️ But good vid! Enjoyed hearing your thoughts
17:59 honestly, i'd start with the most famous ones, Spider-Man, Wolverine (that teases a X-Men movie), Fantastic Four (that's as a "test" if it's possible to do movies of Teams), a Daredevil Movie (without Wolverine, that joins the team only in the end as a post credit); and then i'd try to do a movie of someone not so famous, to make him know, and honestly, i'm i decoded between Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze) and Black Panther
@@GodInHumanFormhe means that if he started the universe from scratch, so no the movies aren’t being taken into account because they wouldn’t exist in this hypothetical
17:56 Here’s a pitch that will never happen: Take each of the big marvel franchises and make one last movie for each that ends with the character being placed in battle world. People are begging for one more movie with Toby and Andrew, what if we had a movie called “the amazing spider-men,” following the incursion of their universes, ending with them waking up on battle world. Do “the defenders” were the defenders grapple with being sent back to their universes only for them to collide. And to that with all of them “the fant4stic four” where the two teams collide and only 4 make it to battle world, “X-men: Queen’s gambit” a rom-com starring Channing Tatum and Anna Paquin as they guide the X-men to battle world (maybe throw in Deadpool and wolverine so they can be in the trailers), do a Howard the duck movie and a hulk movie to tie up loose ends, and make Sony’s sinister six movie be about an incursion. By the time all these movies are done, the MCU will be ready for the avengers duo, and we’ve got a movie where the MCU can leave with whatever cast of characters the want without having to fully reset everyone
@ the thing is hulk is essentially kind of part of the avengers pillar even tho he’s not consistently always on the team. And than daredevil and a lot of street level heroes tend to appear a lot in Spider-Man stories so I always connected with Spider-Man
@hungryalmighty7156 Hulk is practically NEVER apart of the team. Hulk hasn't been a full time member since Avengers #2 when he left and teamed up with Namor. He's more of a Defender than he is anything else and should be his own category as his history with the Avengers in the comics is like 70% adversarial. I also think Daredevil is far too important, too popular, too complex and too financially successful to be roped under anyone else. He represents his own corner of the street level MU, the pure street level characters like Jessica Jones and Hellcat whereas Spider-Man represents the character who are street level but also can be higher like Luke Cage and the Power Pack. He and Spidey are two different types of Street level. These are just my opinion as a long time reader but Hulk and DD are simply too distinct and significant to be put under Avengers or Spider-Man. Just like DC has Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash and Green Lantern, Marvel has the Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Hulk and Daredevil.
@ yes I know hulk is practically never apart of the team in comics but when u look at outside comics and look at other forms of media like animation, movies, games etc hulk is in the avengers or teams up/makes appearances in other avengers members own movies or tv shows. Avengers emh Mcu avengers Thor movies like hulk vs Thor and ragnorock Avengers video games Ultimate avengers animated movies Iron man armored adventures and the iron man hulk team up movie Ultimate avengers the cartoon The list goes on. Point I’m trying to make is even though the hulk is rarely on the team in comics from a casual perspective by looking at other forms of media a lot people associate hulk with the avengers
I think Jane Schoenbrun should direct Ultimate Spider-Man. I Saw the TV Glow fits really well, a person realizing an existential force robbed them of their true self and finding a way to break free.
i really appreciate how your ultimate saga pitch uses parts of marvels new ultimate universe, but also mixes some elements of dc's recent absolute universe where darkseid creates a world devoid of heroes and placing them in dark and hopeless scenarios, only to see them rise again as the legends that they are
Nice vid, was wondering if you could make a video discussing what if the other half blipped? I made a vid discussing it and the possibility of bring in doom and the fantastic four, and I would love to hear your own spin on the concept like a what if for the MCU
I think that if they reboot, it would be best to skip all the origin stories and have a fully established Marvel universe from the start, where all the major heroes and teams have been active for a while? But I do like your idea for an 'Ultimate Saga' before having a more traditional reboot.
God... I fucking hate it how the MCU got Spider-Man's relationship with other Marvel heroes *completely* wrong... In the MCU, Peter Parker / Spider-Man is often portrayed as this fanboy type character that desperately wants to be apart of The Avengers team, but in the original comics Peter was very much a loner especially early on in his early days as a superhero vigilante... Now, this isn't to say that Peter in the original comics hated everyone or wasn't friends with other heroes, but he was on equal footing with them and he didn't address them as if they were above him. This also isn't to say that he had *great* relationships with other heroes in the original comics as he's been known to lash out at them and even start fights with them like in "The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #1" where he literally broke into The Baxter Building looking for a job and a way to make money fighting crime and in "The Amazing Spider-Man Annual (1964) #3" and along with this he was also not very trusting of them. Like even when Peter Parker was a high school student in the original comics, whenever he put on the Spider-Man costume he was an adult, he was the main hero and not anyone's sidekick and he was his own distinct person as opposed to in the MCU where he was basically Iron Man's ward for five movies... Man do I miss the olden days of "Marvel: Ultimate Alliance" (2006) and "LEGO Marvel Super Heroes" (2013) where Spider-Man interacted with other Marvel heroes in a way that wasn't sucking the skin off of them and fucking becoming their mentee and Spider-Man acted like he was his own independent superhero because I loved when Spider-Man did that and I thought that was awesome and I think he should do that more lol. Also, one of the things I dislike about modern Spider-Man adaptations is that they have Peter be just so flawless, fluffy, and boring and if he has any flaws it boils down to "You are too kind ...\ Push yourself too hard". Both Tom Holland's MCU Spider-Man (Although, "Spider-Man: No Way Home" might've repaired this for me by having Tom Holland's Spider-Man punching the ever loving shit out of Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin lol...) and especially Insomniac's "Marvel's Spider-Man" definitely fall into that category for me... In the original comics, Peter was kind of an ass/prick in his early days lmao, and his jokes weren't cringe or awkward either the way they like to portray him now as being an eye-roll jokester.
@@andraw4002 Andrew came the closest. But they kinda botched it in the second one by making him come off very creepy in some scenes But I just find it an absolute waste that MCU Peter comes off more like Miles than actual damn Peter Parker. He’s just the “friendly kid”. Where’s the loner dude who didn’t care for team-ups and partners???
just want to say i love your videos and I'm so happy to have stumbled upon you. the videos are great and gives me more super hero centered videos to watch
if spider-man is in the thumbnail does that make it a spider-man video asking for a friend
yes. you fucked up and your spidey addiction is coming back full force
Yes monkey
yeah
Fan casting the X-Men for the MCU? I wanna see Jubilee done right!
idk but it makes me click without reading it
The MCU would be solved if every single movie, tv, and merchandise had Daredevil featured as a cameo
"And then daredevil walks in"
*hands raised* cinema
Or Green Arrow
yes i know
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING!
You know so far you’re right
Cap: It's time to meet your maker!
Miles Teller Reed: Say that again.
Make Jeff the land shark the main character
YES
Unironically that's the best idea.
I would pay millions for that
TRUE
MY GOAT
5:45 Had a big poster of that in my room and I remember staring at it like king pin with the wall.
This was me w the Alex Ross Justice League image
I’m staring at mine as we speak 😂
same i grew up with that poster
I still have it in my room today 😂
@@UrBoiCyrus mine broke 🥲
If there is a reboot I hope it’s similar to what the Arrowverse did.
Same characters and storyline, but now all in the same universe with changes here and there.
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Yeah..., if there is a reboot I hope it harks back to those olden days of Marvel with stuff like the "Marvel: Ultimate Alliance" (2006) video game and "The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" (2010) TV series and the "Lego Marvel Super Heroes" (2013) video game. Please give us a good depiction of the original five Uncanny X-Men first class team (Cyclops, Jean Grey, Angel, Beast, and Iceman) and their origins and make their characters the main characters for once instead of skipping decades of development like the Fox X-Men movies. We never got a decent live-action adaptation of Cyclops or Jean Grey because the Fox X-Men movies only focused on Charles, Magneto, and Wolverine. The mainstream audiences and average movie goers need to be convinced of why Cyclops and Jean Grey are the leaders of the X-Men. Please give us the old Incredible Hulk back instead of Mark Ruffalo's Professor Hulk. Please give us a Thor who's actually a god and not just some overly comedic guy that Taika Waititi has made him out to be. Please give us a rebooted Avengers team with Hank Pym / Ant-Man and Janet Van Dyne / Wasp being founding Avengers just like in the original comics and in "The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" (2010) TV series.
I swear, the Arrowverse is such a paradoxical jumble of good and bad decisions.
@KingsBard fr
@@KingsBardyeah, it has so many good ideas but the writing hurts it so badly. Especially in The Flash
Adapting the 2023 Ultimate Reboot is a phenomenal idea
I had an idea for a Spidey film that now it would be considered inspired by the ultimate run but I had it some years prior
It ditched the origin story by focusing on a Spidey that was like a decade active, a subplot I had in mind was if Peter was able to be in time to spend the 10th anniversary of Ben's death with Aunt May.
Peter was close to his thirties and up until that point he only clashed against regular robbers and thiefs, until some of them got tired of always being easily capture, try to upgrade themselves and become sort of the Sinister Six
Too soon. Marvel gotta stop adapting recent stuff, they're gonna run out of material to use, it's one of the current problems they have now.
@@radrno7They have the past stuff to adapt also. They're literally never going to "run out" of stories to tell.
@@sigzbroThey were specifically talking about the 2023 Ultimate reboot, there's no "past stuff" there.
@@sigzbro
The more they adapt recent stuff, the less faithful they'll get to be. Just look at Sam Wilson Captain America for an example, there's almost no material for them to adapt because it's so fresh, but they skipped directly to that, now they can't adapt past stuff without stealing from Steve's legacy. It's a no-brainer, recent material is never a good option, even if it's the best run.
Phase One:
The Big Wheel: Ride or Die
The Big Wheel: Return of Truckman
The Big Wheel: The Third Wheel
The Big Wheel: The Fast And The Ferocious
The Big Wheel: Battle of The Carbon Emissions
The Big Wheel: The Shaw-Tank Redemption
Frog-Man: First Leap
The Big Wheel Vs. Frog-Man: Dawn of Justice
The Big Wheel: Tired of Tires
The Big Wheel: One More Day
The Big Wheel Kills The Marvel Universe
The Big Wheel: the last horra
The Big Wheel: GODSPEED
The Big Wheel: Today Tommorow and Beyond
The Big Wheel: Electric Boogaloo
Big Wheel & Frog-Man
Big Wheel and The Wall
@ the unstoppable duo
Paul:the origin of Hate
They should throw us right in the middle of this new universe instead of the very beginning. No more origin stories for characters we’ve already seen before.
Like how superman 2025 is in an already established universe with active heroes and villains
Facts and recast Tchalla son of Tchaka
I like this idea
my man came back to its origins as a spider man youtuber
No no no no wait wait wait wait
he’s a green arrow youtuber bucko
@@jamespopcornfrfrthen where’s the green arrow prewrite? We have like 5 for spider-man but none for green arrow?
@ perfection takes time
@@troyoboyo17 WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT
5:55 completely agree. Scott Johnson will unfortunately forever be one of those guys who created something SO POPULAR and instantly iconic but whose name will never get mentioned with it unfortunately, only with him circles like this. His artwork is Marvel in the 21st Century
I need an animated series in that art style
Having the new marvel ultimate universe and dc’s absolute universe back to back nowadays is peak
Ya need to be realistic here
There is literally no way they do that
Even if they do something similar to that it won’t be as good
They need to go back to character based stories instead of building a massive cinematic universe.
This is so true but then I see other people online saying they only care about marvel movies if it adds to the larger MCU and I just kinda 😭
Moon Knight was one of the best of the post endgame Shows, and it was a fully self contained story besides one reference to the blip. Felt cool to just see a new character and their world.
I don't know, I feel like the main complaint people have about the modern MCU is that nothing connects. Marvel's getting mixed signals when they're criticized for connecting too much and also not connecting enough
@@mr.iiconic Well one problem is that they’re connecting things that nobody cares about. We do not need a Young Avengers movie.
@@gavo7911 I honestly don't agree. I've never cared for the YA stuff done later with Noh-Varr or America Chavez but Marvel was doing nasty work in their mid 2000's House of M/Avengers Disassamebled/Civil War era and Young Avengers was no exception. The way it dealt with the fallout of Scott's death, added onto the Kang lore and gave me the only variant of the character I ever gave a shit about, tied in with the Pulse comics AND introduced multiple first time characters with charming personalities makes it a worthy counterpart to Young Justice and it deserves a good adaptation. Unfortunately they're muddying it with Kid Loki and America Chavez (and Ms. Marvel, who I like but isn't a YA) but if they had stuck to that original Iron Lad, Patriot, Stature, Hawkeye, Speed, Wiccan, Hulkling roster it would have be awesome. 🤷 young avengers 05 rocks.
@@gavo7911 tl;dr they may not have done it the way I think they should have but Young Avengers getting a movie/show is absolutely a reasonable decision.
I love that you put captions in your videos, never stop that!!
My idea/theory for Wanda is that they retcon it so that magneto is their biological dad and then left. The mind stone didn’t give Wanda and pietro their powers but instead awakened their mutant gene, kind of like Deadpool.
@@Burger-g4v well, it was implied in Wandavision that Wanda had powers before the mind stone, when she apparently stopped Stark's missile from blowing up
@JustKrin
An MCU book guide also mentioned the Maximoffs having latent genes awoken by the mind stone.
It seems likely they'll make Magneto their father once he is introduced anyway.
no way! i thought i was the only one who had that head canon theory.
@@kevinskywalker5539 me too, it’s good to see a likeminded person here. I wonder if troyoboyo17 has a similar idea.
its weird that magneto isnt their father anymore in the comics
MCU starting not only when they didn't have the rights to all the heroes, but also at a time when people weren't quite as open minded towards "fantastical" stuff (they tried to explain Thor was an alien) is really funny and interesting in hindsight, and it's interesting to contrast with the Gunn DCU.
The DCU coming in when heroes are established, both in universe AND in just the casual audience's eyes.
5:40 Man that Spider-Man artwork is so nostalgic.
I love that the monitor screen for this one is just LEGO Marvel Superheroes lol
its peak so
@manzington To this day Lego Marvel is probably the best version of the Marvel Universe ever put to a video game....ok maybe Ultimate Alliance 1 tops it.
I think that the likely rout is focusing on the effects of the mutants being part of the new world and lead to a Avengers vs X-Men situation, but your idea is MILES better than that.
I’d love if Reed and Cyclops end up becoming the Tony and Steve equivalent of this next Saga.
Basing the next saga off of the ultimate universe is a great idea.
My ideal phase would be;
1. X-men - something similar to Superframe’s pitch of the og 5 vs magneto and Sentinels.
2. Ultimate Spider-Man - Taking inspiration from the Hickman run
3. Fantastic Four sequel - keeping the same cast as the movie next year and having the team go up against the Maker.
4. Hulk- could make it a hulk vs wolverine film with wolverine being a government weapon like he is going to be in the ultimate universe.
5. The Ultimates - based of the comic run, mainly focusing on Hank and Janet.
6. X-men sequel - giant size team vs Sinister.
Edit: I’d also add a Black Panther movie taking inspiration from the ultimate run as it would be nice to see T’Challa again.
This is amazing...just a small suggestion, for the Black Panther movie, introduce Storm and place it before Giant Size X-Men
@@sudhanvahvI agree. But tbh I'd also not like to see Ultimate Spider-Man so soon. Holland just began his college era, I want to see him naturally grow into an middle aged, married Peter.
Love this. I think it would be complete with an Ultimate Armless Tiger Man film
Reed and Cyclops are the blandest leading characters in their respective teams. Why do you want that?
Oh boy I just love this
Pls this come true
I'm afraid my MCU reboot would be too retro for most people. I don't really keep up much with modern comics. For example, my reboot of Thor would be more from a human POV. You'd see very little of Asgard. It would be about a disabled doctor named Donald Blake accidentally finding his life entwined with that of a Norse god and having to help said god stop other gods like Loki, Amora and Skurge from messing with people on Earth.
I don't think a hard reboot would be received well at all because it makes past events pointless by starting over
So at best just introduce the Xmen and fantastic four and make them central and have the older Characters switch to supporting characters who still exist in the world
@@shippendales8543All marvel had to do was focus on another group of heroes and let the "avengers" be over with. Like introducing the X-Men and instead of having "avengers" movies as the big team up movie they should have just let the new centralized group be that big team up movie. Eg X-Men, fantastic four.
@@Aimville well he explains it in the video but back then, they couldn't do any movies with those characters since they sold the movie rights, so they had to gamble with the avengers and all those obscure characters. Like they could help out with Fox with the X-men, F4, Spiderman (pre civil war), but couldn't have them connected to the mcu back then. Why you think we never got or haven't even gotten a hulk movie aside from the 2008 film.
Honestly, not giving thor the Donald Blake identity was a huge mistake. They need to give it back to him. Like, people get all excited when they see Tony and Reed do science stuff together. Thor and Dr strange are literally both physicians. Why has that never come up in a story?
If I may?
Some of the current comics have absolutely magma arcs that could be amazing if adapted.
An immortal hulk/fractured son animated horror movie would be raw
Smashstronaut can be used for space stories
Theres venoms comics.
Kindred would be a DOPE Halloween arc(which is funny because Nick Spencer ends his story around the end of october in 2021)
Theres miles comics which are amazing
Iron man supposedly has some good stuff
The X men have raw stories from what I heard (X of swords was good)
The F4 are on a come up
She hulk is interesting
Heck I heard captain marvel has some nice stuff
Blood hunt I heard got crazy but was good
Been hearing people mention you around as inspiration, which i think is cool
I read Hickman's Ultimate Spider-Man back in January and I've been reading comics weekly ever since! I think this new ultimate universe is phenomenal and I think it would be cool if it was adapated down the line. Although I am satisfied with reading peak fiction every month.
Regarding your previous video about the DCU Batgirl, I'd say that a great pitch for the DCU Batgirl could be similar to the recent run called "Batgirls" by Becky Cloonan and Michael Conrad, where it would be Barbara, Cassie and Stephanie working together. I think it would probably work best as a series and it would really help explore the characters and the camaraderie they share.
I always like the idea for a plot where babs in a wheelchair isn't oracle yet as she thinks she has no purpose in life anymore and through her relationship with cass and steph she realises she does and takes on that oracle mantle
Awesome idea, I also think that since the video games are gonna be canon to the DCU, it would be really cool to see a prequel game where Barbara is batgirl, I agree that the better role for her is Oracle and that’s what the movies should focus on, but a prequel game with her batgirl would be so cool, same with Barry Allen, I think there should be a flash game with him that serves as a prequel to Wally West’s movie appearances
Imagine if James Gunn announces an animated adaptation of Batgirls after Brave and the Bold?
This is great but im confused why you didnt comment this on the last video.
@@WayToDoClay Because I thought about it after it came out.
6:18 bro yes the Marvel coloring books w that artwork was crazy growing up
5:45 one of the last gifts my Grandfather ever gifted me was a giant framed poster of this picture. It has remained on every single one of my bedroom walls since 2007
I just want to thank you for mentioning Doctor Who, I too talk about it whenever possible (I'd love to see you make videos about it)
I agree wholeheartedly
Honestly you're my favorite person I subscribed to this year as for how I would approach a reboot, I would honestly let go of the live action approach and just go full on animated with movies and television with art styles reminiscent of the comics. Cause you could do a lot with animation and comic accuracy and translating it. I would obviously do some changes like Spider-Man being in college or in his mid 20s, I also think it would be cool to see this universe set in the decades they appeared in like maybe in the 60s or 70s. My first project would be a Spider-Man show (obviously) and then a Fantastic 4 animated show that was reminiscent of Saturday morning cartoon with episodic adventures with an overarching plot line and the next thing I would do is an animated Hulk show with a much more dark and horror tone inspired by Immortal Hulk and other stuff with the X-men and other heavy hitters.
I would love a universe that's made up of animated shows with phase one being Spider-man and Daredevil (because Disney has free reign over bug-boy if it's an animated show that's under 45 mins), a Wolverine show where he fights the hand, a Ghost Rider show because an animated Ghost Rider show would go so hard and an X-men show where Wolverine shows up after a couple seasons to show you don't need him
“I’m not talking about you I’m talking about like my mom.” My favorite quote from Troyoboyo.
My FIRST 4 movies for the new mcu will be something like this:
THE XMEN:a team with the 4 originals, storm, gambit and wolverine
NOVA: an origin story for richard rider version
HULK AND GHOST RIDER: a very cursed idea, but is a duo I always wished to see, an R rated movie of course
THE INVADERS/FIRST HEROES EVER: a movie placed in the 40's with a captain america post-WW2 recruiting union jack, namor and the classic human torch
The X-Men have 5 originals. Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Angel, Beast and Iceman
@@mr.iiconic poor angel getting forgotten as always 😭
@@asterlem383 i love him sm
I think it all comes down to a couple of key factors. Like the bun, the type of cheese, the beef, the sauces, etc.
Like, that burger is gonna have to be damn good to convince Molecule Man to stitch this new world together.
I really love scott johnson’s marvel art. They are so nostalgic
17:11 The captions, "Dr. Hoofan", incredible
but also real
Loll my bad I didn’t have a chance last night to clean up the captions
Dude i have a poster of that art you showed at 5:49! Had it pretty much my whole life. Crazy
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I had one too! Even had it laminated so it wouldn't fold
I really like your videos, and your outlook on things in general. I agree that the best thing to do is to reboot in a way that feels earned and not arbitrary. Obviously audiences are not going to be a big fan of characters being recast after decades of growing familiar, but if the MCU or any franchise for that matter is going to maintain the longevity that comics themselves have then they need to do it. In the same way that comics change artist, eventually the MCU must change actors.
the way you structure this video is incredible
the ironic thing about that ironman armored adventures comment is APPERANTLY according to scources peter in the armored adventures universe was apperently gonna be older than tony and be his mentor soooo....
The reason they got rid of SHIELD was because in a world filled with superheroes, solo movies seem ridiculous.
In cap 2, they needed to destroy 3 helicarriers. ONE phone call to the hulk would have ended the movie.
Phase 1 only worked because no one knew there were other heroes around.
Wish more legacy characters got Billy Maximoff (Wiccan) introduction. Inteoduced with established character we love showing their connection and powers. Then show them gradually coming into own an realizing powers, and parallel to mentor aka the character they introed with makig them endearing. I personally dont care with new hawkeye or black widows etc. They all feel like "hey look at me im so young an quirky and oops better than old dump og who so old an boo"
Billy Maximoff has given me hope they do know how to introduce future younger gen, but idk if films will give time for all the buildup for new kids, and new viliians, and getting to that level figjt cosmic entities.
13:48 Armored Adventures was one of my favorite shows growing up.
6:13 I think I had a little box with landscapes on them like a city and stuff that had magnet figures you could put on them of Marvel characters that was very much this style.
I think it would make sense for the MCU to reboot after Secret Wars so it could introduce a new X-Men and recast the Avengers but the thing is, if they do that, what about all of the other characters they have introduced in Phase 4, like Sam Wilson Captain America, Yelena Belova Black Widow, etc?
They are gonna light reboot. They are keeping guys like Tom Holland,Mackie and old actors like Hugh Jackman
Omg, I absolutely need to check out the new Ultimates for the new She Hulk, she's been one of my favorite characters Marvel has ever had, and with Tatiana Maslany being, honestly too good for Marvel, I'm glad the comics are also treating She Hulk well as a character
Your video are always a happy surprise keep up the good work my guy.
I absolutely adore the new Ultimate Universe by Jonathan Hickman and co. Ultimate Spider-Man (2024) and The Ultimates (2024) aren't just the best Marvel Comics out at the moment, but some of the best comics of the last ten years! Please adapt the Ultimate Universe!
My only irk with it is that it's called "Ultimates" when it's really another universe entirely. You see this in entertainment a lot with sequels made way later-on having the same title as originals, it's very confusing. But otherwise the stories are great, just please make the naming conventions easier to track.
9:14 hardest mcu frame without a doubt. great use of perspective by putting the audience into Loki’s shoes and seeing firsthand how formidable the first Avengers team was. great vid btw
Troy you should really start talking about Doctor Who more. Yeah it doesn't really fit this channel's fanbase but fuck I love that show so much.
I have had that poster you’re talking about since I was a kid! It moved from my childhood room, to my college dorm room, to my first apartment, and now it’s in my children’s room
I would have secret wars end with that version of doom dying, there being a new main universe. We have all new actors and actresses playing X-men, Iron Man, Captain America, Black Widow, thor, Falcon, vision, Hawkeye, Hulk, Doctor Strange & ultron the only one i think they should keep because shes younger and hasn't been explored yet is Elizabeth olson as Scarlett Witch.
love the idea of a ULTIMATE reboot, this is something really cool to imagine being in the big screen
great video but I don't think we should be putting these fresh and creative new comics (which are still building their first main arc) into the slop machine.
14:42
Or Scott Pilgrim, they did the movie with the last volume of the comic not being finished, the author put plots of the ending in the movie and then improved on it in the final volume.
The Ultimate Saga is the perfect cheat code to bring Andrew Garfield back as Spider-Man again. Plus, the TASM fans will shed tears of joy to see his Peter Parker thriving, although in the form of a reality similar but different from main TASM continuity.
Seriously, this setup of connecting even the butchered 2015 Fantastic 4 movie (Miles Teller as The Maker) in the buildup is brilliant.
Ngl, I'd love to see the DCU take elements from the new Absolute DC universe since that's their Ultimate DC. And would help them stand out from other live action adaptions.
I actually came up with my own take on an MCU, and divided it into 3 sagas, each with their own focus and BBEG: Phase 1 focused on the X-Men, with Apocalypse being the main threat; Phase 2 focused on the Avengers, though the big bad villain would end up being Superior Iron Man, as a way to subvert expectations; finally, Phase 3 focused on the Midnight Suns and the Champions. Spider-Man, the FF and the Guardians would feature on all sagas, though they never were the main focus.
I think the best to do it is go based on the comic marvels by Alex Ross explaining the marvels universe start to end what changes but still keep stuff from the old mcu. Probably post secret wars . This will also include X-men characters throughout the history
I have a love/hate relationship with these videos. I love the creativity and comic recommendations, but on the flip side of that, I got SO much content to get thru already (movies/shows/video games/comics) because I lived under a rock for the first 20 years of my life experiencing the same few movies, shows, & games but I decided to become open to new experiences and good god, there’s SO much I missed out on.
Every time I watch these vids, you recommend a comic or two that I can’t help but wanna read, so I reluctantly add it to my already-bloated list. I didn’t even know there was a new Ultimate comics line or that Hickman started an Ultimate Spider-Man. I haven’t read a single Hickman book yet but I’m already eager to read it just based on the sheer amount of praise for his F4, Avengers, Secret Wars, & House/Powers of X (all of which I plan to get to within the next several months).
bro it'd be so awesome seeing deadpool drop a cameo in each mcu project post secret wars, like stan lee
it's perfect for him
Didn't include a Big Wheel movie, Big Wheel streaming series, Big Wheel video game tie-in, Big Wheel x DC comics cross-over, or actual Big Wheel. Totally unrealistic reboot plans, instant dislike and unsubscribe.
An ad for an ad blocker is crazy
They need to do a new Ghost Rider movie, I’m dying to see it especially because Ghost Rider is one of the coolest marvel characters ever
Phase One:
Captain America
Fantastic Four
Hulk
Ant-Man (feat the Wasp)
Spider-Man
Thor
Iron Man
X-Men
Daredveil TV show
The Avengers.
It's long but DC has a long first chapter too. Hell, I'd even like to see a S.H.I.E.L.D. centered movie/show to introduce Natasha, Clint, Bobbi etc
MCU 2 phase 1 “Cosmo the dog” “Lucky the pizza dog” “Jonathan the Wolverine” and finally “Squirrel girl”
Whoever was the first person to think of Miles Teller, returning as The Maker is ingenious
I just recently started English videos to learn English (im Italian, 14yo) and i wanted to watch not random vids but ones about my passions, finding you on my homepage was a fantastic discovery, thanks for your videos and keep up with the great content, love ya
11:26 so this is just the new ultimate universe with a small mix of absolute DC
Tbh, I'm not surprised. I mean they're pretty good, but yeah, could've put a little more effort into it
With the direction MCU is going right now, here's I think what will happen. Wanda vs Doom in Secret Wars. Wanda beats doom and "fixes" the incursions but accidentally merges the timelines instead and gives us a new sacred timeline.
I feel that if they had the rights back in 2008, Spider-Man would've been the main character for most movies in the MCU... and he would've had that gorgeous costume (NWH) from the beginning.
How I would’ve made the MCU
Phase 1:
1. Spider-Man: same origin story as the Sam Raimi’s first Spider-Man movie but with Doc Ock as the main villain. Norman Osborne is present in the movie but isn’t Green Goblin yet. Also mentions Oscorp industries rivalry with Stark industries. Peter will also be working for the daily bugle (newscast not newspaper) as a part time job and will also be seen taking pictures but on an iPhone instead of a camera while fighting crime.
2. Fantastic Four
3. X-Men
4. Iron man
5. Hulk
6. Thor
7. Captain America: The First Avenger
8. The Avengers (introducing black widow and Hawkeye )
Phase 2:
1. Spider-Man sequel
2. Fantastic Four sequel
3. X-Men sequel (introduces Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch)
4. Daredevil
5. Black panther
6. Doctor Strange
7. Captain America: Winter Soldier
8. Ant Man and the Wasp
9. Avengers: Age of Ultron
Phase 3:
1. Iron man sequel
2. Hulk sequel
3. Thor sequel
4. Spider-Man sequel (introducing Miles Morales)
5. Captain America: Civil War
6. The Wolverine
7. Deadpool
8. Ghost Rider
9. Avengers: Infinity War
10. X-Force
11. Avengers: Endgame
We shouldn't do Black Widow and Hawkeye as founders again again NGL. The absence of Hank and Janet in the MCU is VERY felt and if we're getting a do-over, we should have them in instead. Janet named the Avengers and as Troy said is the HEART of the team, I'd save Nat and Clint for the sequel.
well to see you come back to your roots as a spider-man youtuber is certainly a surprise
I have an idea!!!!
1943: Steve rogers is confirmed MIA somewhere in the arctic
1945 WWII ends. Erik Lenschire is ten years old
1969: fantastic 4 & victor von doom travel into space getting hit by cosmic radiation sending them thru time to ancient Egypt where they meet kang (stay with me here)
1971: magneto sparks tension between US & Soviet Russia by interfering in the Vietnam War, thus creating the x men. (I want this version of the og five to be in their late teens & iceman is maybe 13. That way the characters age with the world in real time)
1971: ben Parker is killed. Spider-Man is revealed
1972: tony stark is captured by soviet forces and held in captivity for almost a year
1974: iron man revealed. The fantastic 4 & dr doom arrives back during present day to prepare for the arrival of galactus. Galactus arrives ahead of schedule. Dr doom & reed Richards disagree on how to defeat galactus causing doom to sacrifice himself to stop it
1975: Trask technology steals secrets from stark industries leading to the creation of sentinels
1975: James Rhodes becomes war machine
1976: Peter Parker attends college
1977: Col. William Stryker & Bolivar Trask, against the orders of the us govt, launch an attack on mutant kind using the sentinels. The x men, with new members wolverine, shadow kat, colossus, storm, rouge & gambit, along with the brother l hood of mutants shuts down the sentinels. Magneto & his team retaliate against humans. After a defeat by the x men and humans, magus & what’s left of his brotherhood retreat to a long forgotten & secluded island they name “genosha”
1978: the mutant anti discrimination law is passed. Phoenix possessed Jean grey is killed that same year. Cyclops & Wolverine & beast quit the X-men.
1980: Thor the god of thunder travels to Midgard in search of new purpose to give his immortal life meaning
1981: SHIELD scientists Bruce banner is involved in a gamma bomb accident
1983: Loki in an attempt to mess with Thor sparks a war between Asgard & earth. This leads to the formation of the avengers. Iron man, Thor, SHIELD scientist hulk, ant man, wasp, SHIELD assassins Hawkeye & black widow, along with part timer spider man. The manage to expose lokis schemes & keep the peace
1984: Gwen Stacy is killed. Iron man now working for SHIELD discovers the remains of captain America
1985: Jean gray is revealed to be alive. Scott summer breaks up with Emma frost. Emma joins the brotherhood on genosha. Professor x & magus rekindle their relationship now that mutants have relative peace. The mutant Apocalypse is resurrected & hatches a plan to restore mutant kind.
1986: kang the conqueror shows up from the future to prophesied warning that captain with destroy the world in 10 years. Antman & tony stark begin work on project ultron. Jean grey (Madelyn Pryor) gives birth to Nathan summers
1988: captain vers of the Kree arrives on earth without her memory. The kree, sensing earth has been invaded by skulls decides to eliminate the planet. Captain marvel & the rest of the heroes beat back the kree invasion. Captain America & other world leaders are revealed to be skrulls
1989: battle world/secret wars
1990-94: black suit saga. Clone saga. Civil war. Death of Steve rogers (who’s a skull) Peter & MJ have a daughter. Destruction of genosha. Death if professor x. Days of future past event. All surviving mutants in present day create & move to a space station designated asteroid M
1995: kree reattempt invasion of earth revealing skulls on earth. Kree skull war begins. Kangs prophecy is averted
Now if u read all that I’m sorry for u but also would say this is my general timeline for a mcu style reboot. I didn’t wanna include anything such as multiverse & time travel bc I frankly am not good at writing things like that & kangs time manipulation is limited in that he’s on a fixed timeline. With this I wanted to see what a marvel universe that took place in real time would looks like! Obviously there are gaps missing and you’d need an actual writer to put theme to these events and make them compelling but this is just what I came up with for what events I’d want to see in an mcu reboot with ALL characters available🤷🏾♂️
The soviet would shit their pants if the usa had superheroes lmao
Troy mentioning the double chunk chocolate cookie feels like hearing my Dad talk about skibidi toilet
Weirdly I had this same idea a month ago. Instead of making a video I filled a notebook with all my ideas and it’s pretty much exactly this
9:18 So, what CW did with the Arrowverse post-Crisis?
Personally I would’ve gone for an animated adaptation for the new ultimate universe. With each episode imitating the artwork of each book.
But yeah it’d be interesting to see a reboot focusing on recent stuff
5:30 Black Lion has a video on that.
Love his channel
If I could have my wish the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe would be exclusively animated. Imagine each movie about a different hero being in a different animation style or something. Also I just think animation fits adaptations of the comic medium better.
I don’t know what I want from a rebooted MCU but I do know I want a hybrid mixture of JMD and Hickman 6160 Spidey. Like, Peter being bitten as an adult but the relationship with Harry is decades long. Uncle Ben walked MJ down on the wedding because she was closer to him than her own father. Have flashbacks to the Coffee Bean Gang with Peter, MJ, Harry, Gwen and Flash and in present day that friendship group die as Harry becomes the Goblin, Gwen trying to keep them together and her husband from going insane because she’s a protector like her father
You mentioning Scott Johnson's artwork just unlocked a long lost memory from my childhood. Holy Shit.
Spider Sense Spiderman was one of the reasons I fell in love with superheroes to begin with.
My idea of rebooting the mcu to include mutants was simple. Professor X was doing a universal mind wipe to hide the existence of mutants from everyone and the after effects of the post snap energy surges (or the culling plus rebirthing of half of earths life) brought instability to what X was doing and exposed the existence of mutants. The first X-men show could be an anthology series of what various mutants were doing in the past or present leading up to their exposure, first movie would be the typical gov vs mutants shtick 🤷🏾♂️
But good vid! Enjoyed hearing your thoughts
Lets gooo Troy doing what he is known for his Spider-Man videos lol
The hair looks great, man! The only MCU content I watch these days is when I see a video of yours pop across my feed.
17:59 honestly, i'd start with the most famous ones, Spider-Man, Wolverine (that teases a X-Men movie), Fantastic Four (that's as a "test" if it's possible to do movies of Teams), a Daredevil Movie (without Wolverine, that joins the team only in the end as a post credit); and then i'd try to do a movie of someone not so famous, to make him know, and honestly, i'm i decoded between Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze) and Black Panther
Black Panther is one the top 20 highest grossing movies wym he not famous?
@@GodInHumanFormhe means that if he started the universe from scratch, so no the movies aren’t being taken into account because they wouldn’t exist in this hypothetical
@GodInHumanForm at that time he wasn't, we're talking about re-making a Fase 1
I think most people would rather decide to End Evrything on Endgame or Bring back Captain America and Iron Man
5:44 Bro, I had a puzzle of this image, that is so nostalgic lol
17:56 Here’s a pitch that will never happen:
Take each of the big marvel franchises and make one last movie for each that ends with the character being placed in battle world. People are begging for one more movie with Toby and Andrew, what if we had a movie called “the amazing spider-men,” following the incursion of their universes, ending with them waking up on battle world. Do “the defenders” were the defenders grapple with being sent back to their universes only for them to collide. And to that with all of them “the fant4stic four” where the two teams collide and only 4 make it to battle world, “X-men: Queen’s gambit” a rom-com starring Channing Tatum and Anna Paquin as they guide the X-men to battle world (maybe throw in Deadpool and wolverine so they can be in the trailers), do a Howard the duck movie and a hulk movie to tie up loose ends, and make Sony’s sinister six movie be about an incursion. By the time all these movies are done, the MCU will be ready for the avengers duo, and we’ve got a movie where the MCU can leave with whatever cast of characters the want without having to fully reset everyone
I've been rebooting the MCU in my note apps for years now lmao I could make a whole power point about it
*sits patiently at desk*
@StevenJG I posted it in another comment hehehe
I always considered the 4 pillars of marvel to be
Avengers
X-men
F4
Spider-Man
P much this
I always saw it as 6 pillars
Avengers
Hulk
Fantastic Four
X-Men
Spider-Man
Daredevil
@ the thing is hulk is essentially kind of part of the avengers pillar even tho he’s not consistently always on the team. And than daredevil and a lot of street level heroes tend to appear a lot in Spider-Man stories so I always connected with Spider-Man
@hungryalmighty7156 Hulk is practically NEVER apart of the team. Hulk hasn't been a full time member since Avengers #2 when he left and teamed up with Namor. He's more of a Defender than he is anything else and should be his own category as his history with the Avengers in the comics is like 70% adversarial.
I also think Daredevil is far too important, too popular, too complex and too financially successful to be roped under anyone else. He represents his own corner of the street level MU, the pure street level characters like Jessica Jones and Hellcat whereas Spider-Man represents the character who are street level but also can be higher like Luke Cage and the Power Pack. He and Spidey are two different types of Street level.
These are just my opinion as a long time reader but Hulk and DD are simply too distinct and significant to be put under Avengers or Spider-Man. Just like DC has Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash and Green Lantern, Marvel has the Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Hulk and Daredevil.
@ yes I know hulk is practically never apart of the team in comics but when u look at outside comics and look at other forms of media like animation, movies, games etc hulk is in the avengers or teams up/makes appearances in other avengers members own movies or tv shows.
Avengers emh
Mcu avengers
Thor movies like hulk vs Thor and ragnorock
Avengers video games
Ultimate avengers animated movies
Iron man armored adventures and the iron man hulk team up movie
Ultimate avengers the cartoon
The list goes on.
Point I’m trying to make is even though the hulk is rarely on the team in comics from a casual perspective by looking at other forms of media a lot people associate hulk with the avengers
This would work I guess. Very nice work! Hopefully the studio will be doing something similar to your ideas
I think Jane Schoenbrun should direct Ultimate Spider-Man. I Saw the TV Glow fits really well, a person realizing an existential force robbed them of their true self and finding a way to break free.
i really appreciate how your ultimate saga pitch uses parts of marvels new ultimate universe, but also mixes some elements of dc's recent absolute universe where darkseid creates a world devoid of heroes and placing them in dark and hopeless scenarios, only to see them rise again as the legends that they are
Nice vid, was wondering if you could make a video discussing what if the other half blipped? I made a vid discussing it and the possibility of bring in doom and the fantastic four, and I would love to hear your own spin on the concept like a what if for the MCU
I would love for them to do this but since Tom Holland is gonna have another trilogy I’ll doubt they’ll wanna reboot their biggest earner.
I think that if they reboot, it would be best to skip all the origin stories and have a fully established Marvel universe from the start, where all the major heroes and teams have been active for a while? But I do like your idea for an 'Ultimate Saga' before having a more traditional reboot.
I really just want to see a live-action Spider-Man that actually pulls off his angst and loner attitude right
God... I fucking hate it how the MCU got Spider-Man's relationship with other Marvel heroes *completely* wrong... In the MCU, Peter Parker / Spider-Man is often portrayed as this fanboy type character that desperately wants to be apart of The Avengers team, but in the original comics Peter was very much a loner especially early on in his early days as a superhero vigilante... Now, this isn't to say that Peter in the original comics hated everyone or wasn't friends with other heroes, but he was on equal footing with them and he didn't address them as if they were above him. This also isn't to say that he had *great* relationships with other heroes in the original comics as he's been known to lash out at them and even start fights with them like in "The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #1" where he literally broke into The Baxter Building looking for a job and a way to make money fighting crime and in "The Amazing Spider-Man Annual (1964) #3" and along with this he was also not very trusting of them. Like even when Peter Parker was a high school student in the original comics, whenever he put on the Spider-Man costume he was an adult, he was the main hero and not anyone's sidekick and he was his own distinct person as opposed to in the MCU where he was basically Iron Man's ward for five movies... Man do I miss the olden days of "Marvel: Ultimate Alliance" (2006) and "LEGO Marvel Super Heroes" (2013) where Spider-Man interacted with other Marvel heroes in a way that wasn't sucking the skin off of them and fucking becoming their mentee and Spider-Man acted like he was his own independent superhero because I loved when Spider-Man did that and I thought that was awesome and I think he should do that more lol.
Also, one of the things I dislike about modern Spider-Man adaptations is that they have Peter be just so flawless, fluffy, and boring and if he has any flaws it boils down to "You are too kind ...\ Push yourself too hard". Both Tom Holland's MCU Spider-Man (Although, "Spider-Man: No Way Home" might've repaired this for me by having Tom Holland's Spider-Man punching the ever loving shit out of Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin lol...) and especially Insomniac's "Marvel's Spider-Man" definitely fall into that category for me... In the original comics, Peter was kind of an ass/prick in his early days lmao, and his jokes weren't cringe or awkward either the way they like to portray him now as being an eye-roll jokester.
Exactly. Nowadays his character is dissolved by trying to make him an awkward relatable everyman nice guy.
@@andraw4002 Gotta thank Tobey for that.
@@andraw4002 Andrew came the closest. But they kinda botched it in the second one by making him come off very creepy in some scenes
But I just find it an absolute waste that MCU Peter comes off more like Miles than actual damn Peter Parker. He’s just the “friendly kid”. Where’s the loner dude who didn’t care for team-ups and partners???
@joeker5208 Exactly.
just want to say i love your videos and I'm so happy to have stumbled upon you. the videos are great and gives me more super hero centered videos to watch
I appreciate you so much for bringing up how unpopular the avengers were before like the avengers cartoon. Really random and overlooked fact
PERFECT VIDEO FROM A PERFECT MAN. you don't even know how much I love these kinds of videos from you :)
That "I was wrong about Downey's Doom" video is gonna be so good I can see it now