Its a shame because they have said that they dont want to reiterate any of the zones that have been released in the retail expansions as of now. Sadly no hyjal to come. Potentially some more things with Naga involvement though, or even some other areas of the emerald dream as its so big.
I'd be looking for something specific in a potential "WoW Classic Plus" experience. It would be: * Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor pre-Cataclysm. Put us in the timeline before Cataclysm changed everything. Slowly expand up to the chapters in Wrath of the Lich King. * Have the modernized loot system for Dungeons & Raids. * Have a group finder for dungeons. Not everyone has the means to just go into random chat channels and solicit help for every level of dungeon. Make it also easier to find guilds using the modern layouts. * Remove the fees for learning skills and learning riding. Keep the riding level requirements at levels 20 and 40 for ground and flying, respectively, but have the more plentiful flight paths to compensate. * Have the gold economy placed somewhere in between the classic and modern ratios. 1000 Gold should be considered a lot of money, but make it possible to acquire more than 1 Gold on average in the early levels. * Keep the slow leveling ratio throughout the experience, but make the recommended level requirements for dungeons much wider to compensate.
Overall: I want classic +, more new fresh content in the game like demon fall canyon, new zones, new quests, races, etc. as long as its all in the vein of classic's style and vision. I play in 4K on a huge monitor and any UI improvements is great. I don't want ten thousand addons and small text boxes anymore from 2006's UI
Vanilla is like Jenga, any piece you touch can collapse the structure, the clear example is SoD. Just enrich the leveling with more variety of quests,mobs and some new zones/dungeons/raids/bgs. Don't make the raids harder but the preparation to get to them. Don't make every specialization viable, every class and spec has to have it's essence. Just have respect for Vanilla and don't make it a lab rat but a project with clear ideas and complete transparency with the community. And for God's sake, stop taking ideas from expansions after Vanilla, they are completely different games.
I also believe that exploration is one of the main reasons why the classic version was great. I don't share the idea that the world became bad after Cataclysm; what made it bad was the introduction of flying and the streamlining of quests.I would prefer if the zones were changed up a bit-not like in Cataclysm, but somewhere in between, where they are still largely recognizable but different. In a way, I want a retail version of the old zones; however, I prefer the old way of questing. I like that some quests send me around the world, as well as pre-quests (chains) for zones and dungeons, and class quests like the shaman water totem. I love those. Season of Discovery has given life to some specs that were unplayable in classic. To me, one of the best class designs was between Cataclysm and Wrath, with features like ranks, dual talents, no spec lock, and glyphs/runes. Mastery is nice, and some classes, like Survival Hunters, needed a redesign. I would entertain the inclusion of monks, death knights, and demon hunters, as they all exist in a way but are unplayable. I would also remove PvE/PvP racials and make any race able to play any class. When it comes to races, I would like to see the Alliance with blood elves and the Horde with ogres.New zones would be interesting; however, the world is already very big, with every zone serving its purpose. I would like to see more open-air dungeons like ZF. Gilneas, for example, could be such a dungeon. Essentially, my most radical suggestion is the addition of new level 40-60 content because all previous level 40-60 content will become 60-80! This means Feralas would be 60-65, Tanaris 65-70, etc. Why? Because now we can explore the Cataclysm/TBC zones that are unavailable in Classic WoW, but they are part of the questing journey. Not every zone needs to be flipped, but the idea is to make it fresh for people who play Classic on autopilot (endgame zones would still be endgame). I wish for DF graphics and zones, Cataclysm/WotLK class balance, Classic quests and pacing, 20-man raids, 10-man mega-dungeons like brd, and 5-man dungeons. I don't want to talk about PvP because I don't care about it. World buffs have to go! I don't mind the dungeon finder either, but it should only find you a group; you have to make your way to the instance. This is just so that people won't spam.And no, this is not WoW 2 because I want classic WoW game design with modern graphics and zones and better class design.
Their strategy should be to copy OSRS and its success. They need to design the game to have avenues of parallel progression. They need a unique game and not just copy retails design philosophy. The game shouldn’t be just endgame rush like SoD. SoD has many positives but it’s still leaning too much towards retails character progression.
New reputations could be cool, however I think whats important is to try and introduce it so it just dosent become some other 'Meta farm' Reputations should be a bonus for the work you carry out across the world in general. I liked the Tabards give rep for a faction when you wear them. I'd Personally like some more items that drop from content to be tied to new lore and long quest chains. As tedious as some of the things like 0.5 are, they are what made classic the game it was.
My thoughts on the new player experience. Put in that voice over ai addon that reads the quest text or something similar, and put a map beside the quest log, and when you highlight a quest, it shows you on the map how to get there. To me, that would feel like the right amount of investment without just following an arrow around. That would engage new players enough without frustrating them.
Quest text that points to the fact that you're playing a game makes quests unbearable to me. I much prefer a tutorial pop-up to fourth-wall breaks from characters and world elements.
The problem with adding new races or classes to classic plus, is that retail players would be really mad. Remember , retail players have asked for X things for years, never got it, now the classic players get it. i can see hude amout of rage.
for classic plus i would want the intended original version of the emerald dream. theres so much in classic that points to it. wouldnt even have to be vertical progression... tbh id prefer if it was just slightly below nax. and maby some form of the dragon isles, but not the way it is in retail.
i was being sarcastic about the "totally intentional" part. We all knew it was an accident but they made a blue post saying the Era changes were intentional, and then reverted these so called "intentional" changes. MoS is already available to Horde via Warcheifs Blessing, On era realms alliance have also been able to get this buff since 2019 by being mind controlled by a horde player whenever the buff is going out. MoS on Era simply removed the barrier to entry for getting that buff. Its interesting because they kept around the included QoL SoD P4 world buff changes, that is the Dire Maul Tribute and Songflow buffs can no longer be dispelled.
I think the classic starting experience just kind of works. Adding to it for any new mechanics, or adding a tutorial interface that you can turn off is probably fine.
Hey, i actually maintain the LFG chat parsing addon. I think the biggest benefit of not having the blizzard group finder tool is that it encourages alot more socialization which is the biggest part of the classic "spirit". Because its all still done through chat, you still have to be willing to engage in a system where some level of communication is expected. As opposed to being able to joining a waitlist (or 5) and waiting for an invite as if it was the Random Dungeon Finder. The blizzard group finder tool is hilariously broken on cataclysm so i can understand why its not used much, but we had it in Wotlk as well and it was not used as much as people just spamming in chat channels. PS. the API for working with the blizzard group finder is still incredibly restricted since the whole Legion world quest automation fiasco sadly.
Honestly, I'd rather just they bring the classic world back into the modern game. Whether it's own Chromie time mode, a portal you access from the Caverns of Time, I don't care how, I just really like modern but I miss the pre-cata world. That said, assuming we're going to try to adhere to Classic Era as much as possible, a Classic+ to me would be CLassic Era with the following additions: 1) Talent loadouts like they do in modern. Not the modern trees, just the ability to have multiple load outs and the ability to change between them as effortlessly as I can in modern 2) The tabs from modern for pets, toys, etc. I greatly prefer these items living in a tab than taking up space in my inventory. 3) Some sort of level scaling system similar to EQ2's Mentor mode or how FFXIV does dungeons and fates. Higher level players need to have a way to able to play with lower level players to keep the game feeling alive and full of players so if I want to play with my friends and I'm higher level than they are, we can still play together. Anything beyond that, I'm OK with, but those are the three things I'd really like the most.
Everyone wants different things, so it's tricky. I personally would love to see some talent changes, specifically replacing those that are universally seen as trash tier.
I like the idea of Classic + being classic but wholly rebuilt for the retail client. Once you have that foundation set, add new quests, raids, races, etc. Keep the level cap at 60. Keep the raid encounters limited in complexity (AQ 40/Naxx).
I'm not quite young enough to have grown-up exclusively on phone/tablet games, but I can relate to some of the younger generation because I didn't grow up on stationary consoles. The biggest difference I find is that I only ever use a controller for games if I have no other choice. I drastically prefer keyboard-and-mouse (or some touchpad controls). I suspect this is going to be increasingly common as the younger generations age up and would not be surprised if touchpad becomes the new default eventually. Its funny to me that so many WoW players are afraid of wow becoming an Xbox game, when it seems the much bigger risk is that WoW becomes a tablet game.
Hear me out…. Level 60 versions of all the low level dungeons. Dead mines, Wailing Caverns… etc… new loot tables and new mechanics for the boss fights.
I'd love a settings option to use high-res character models on my client side. I don't see why i need to keep seeing these gross, hideous characters models people seem to be so crazy about.
can you react to the recent dev interviews? hammerdance, ebonhardt and countdown to classic each did one. maybe just a recap of your thoughts. The reason I ask is because they hint about classic+ and also talking about the lack of support from the art team at blizz and also trying to prove their legitimacy as a product to the company. Since you have insight into the company maybe you can shed a light on it. To me, it seems classic seasons/sod/classic+ is all just a minimum viable product.
Cannot trust them with changes. They prove that at every step. Proved it with era, proved it with som, proved it with sod. That they do not have an understanding of what makes vanilla fun for players decades later. Further they either don't have any idea of what type of game vanilla was or they simply do not wish to further the vanilla model. "Modern players don't want that -> target modern audiences instead". Players go the path of least resistance. Lessening rough edges, that force players to interact with each other; players will no longer have a need to interact = you destroy the game. Now that could be world bosses, leveling, ganking / griefing, pvp, ranking, raiding, various grinds, farming, zone control. Virtually every aspect of the game that could be construed as a grind/ tedious/ an inconvenience. But what they miss is that very same inconvenience itself is the very thing that makes vanilla a good game. For me, obviously I'm no changes. Further I'm strongly no to blizzard also. I do not trust them, never will. As I played 2019 and era I have good reasons for that. I was one of the few lucky ones to play the game during their honor update to era 11 months ago; so I lost my entire lifetime pvp history. And was told "sorry" cant fix. And ignored for a year now. I'm not 100%, but I think they erased somewhere near 13000 and 14000 hours from my life with that update. Hundreds of thousands of hks. In any event I will never play or pay for any game they or their predecessors make. Era should have been left unchanged. They promised it would be, IT WAS NOT. Era should not be on a client with HC and SoD. Era should be on patch 1.13.7/1.13.6 TO THIS DAY. The only change vanilla/ era could have used: ACTUAL ACTIVE MODERATION. But that's not realistic to ask for it, is it? No money in that.
a lot of MMO's do the tutorial experience by making your character go through a tutorial "in the future" when you're max level and they give you your abilities. usually you fight one of the big bosses at max in a super easy version and at the end of the tutorial experience it has a small cutscene or something that says something along the lines as "months earlier" and you start at level 1 with 0 xp from that point
crazy to me that you want a tutorial for a tutorial, i was able to understand all the game mechanics as a 4 year old just from the starting zone i dont think people have gotten dumber then 4 year olds
More content more raids leave everything else as it is no class changes no pvp changes. IF we wanted retail and convenience it exists we don't want that, it degrades the essence of the game.
i think they want to introduce dwarf shamans and tauren paladins... new races would be complicated, but giving shaman to alliance and paladin to horde... yes please
Classic needs small changes such as tanking classes having taunts, the worst specs getting a tune up to be viable and Every spec getting their own tier set bonuses/stats. Any new content would be welcome such as mythic modes for a challenge.
Realized for 100% certainty that you're not in the main group of "classic andy" types when you brought up Druids and entangling roots.. ive leveled 3 Druids on classic (not SoD, Era realms) and disagree completely with your "conveniences" for the class. Druids also have Hibernate which is limited to beasts & dragon kin.. should it be allowed to be used on humanoids?? Rebirth requires a seed to be cast... Should the reagent be removed? No.. and Entangling roots should only be able to be used outside. Should some dungeon functionality be fixed? Sure... But entangling roots is a spell where a druid calls upon the earth mother and raises roots from the ground.. why would it not be limited to outside as it is?? Curious if you play tabletop rpgs too.. i play tons of D&D, Pathfinder, and CoC and you wanting removal of some of this flavor makes me question what level of roleplay & immersion you prefer & if you play ttrpgs.
Had to pause and type this crappy bit on my phone, but it was jarring for me, (an autistic druid leveler) to hear that.. don't mess with my class fantasy you fools.
a) I said about a million times in the video that I don't think any of these changes should apply to Era b) I've been playing D&D for 25 years, still play every week, and roleplay in other games nearly every day c) Even the D&D version of Entangling Roots (Entangle) has no "outdoors only" restriction (and hasn't since at least 3rd edition) Maybe don't assume so much about a person based on a single sentence, hmm?
@@devolore Focusing on era doesn't even really matter, because I don't think it should be changed for either. My concern is the changes and ideas you propose for Classic+... Classic+ will (hopefully) be built on using "Vanilla philosophies" and Entangling Roots being useable outdoors only is a vanilla philosophy. The same for reagents and other niche spells. Entangling Roots is not the hill I would choose to die on, but it's definitely worth mentioning. Do you think other niche spells should be changed for Classic+ (along with roots)? Like the Hibernate specificities? Should reagents be removed for spells like Rebirth? I think that's absurd, because then the spells become purely GAMEPLAY MECHANICS... just numbers & a CC.. homogenized fluff without any sort of negative/trade-off. WoW then becomes purely gamified and mechanical in nature, versus an immersive role-playing experience. Sure, both *can* exist, but I dont trust any developer to do this right, besides FromSoftware. As for your point about Entangling Roots & Entangle from D&D... ummm you're kind of pointing out the difference between AD&D/"Classic" D&D and modern incarnations that are more generalized/homogenized/streamlined (like D&D 5E)... It's like D&D 5E is metaphorically Retail WoW, and older D&D is akin to Classic WoW in this case... hmm... why would I used 5E as an example for spell-use over 2nd Edition? It should be the opposite, using 2nd Edition (for example) as a point of reference. Your D&D example makes no sense when looking at it in a Classic vs Modern lens.. you're arguing for the modern and streamlined 2024 version of the game to be introduced into the Classic 2004 version lol.. That one sentence about Entangling Roots was not the only thing, that was just what finally got me to pause the video and write a comment.. I immediately lost any faith in what you might want for Classic+ when you thought the Incursions were fine.. and that was VERY early in your video. Incursions are the *singular* most destroying update for SoD Phase 1-4.. to think they are anything but awful and abhorrent for the game invalidates much of your opinion concerning what Classic+ should be in my eyes.. they are fundamentally antithetical to the design of Classic WoW. That is a hill I would die on, opposed to the Entangling Roots case. There are only a handful of hardlines to not cross, and Incursions is most certainly one of them. Didn't think you would be so offended at me wondering if you played ttrpgs or cared for immersive gaming. I only asked because your proposals are so gamified and potentially immersion-killing that i took you more for more of a power-gamer or min/maxer versus somebody who cared for immersion.. which is OK.. Different players like different things.. not caring about immersion is OK.. your "new player experience" for example, is too "video-gamey" .. creating a tutorial version separate from the game versus just starting in Northshire Abbey and becoming lost in the world... it's such a weird idea for Classic.. and a waste of development. The beginning of Classic WoW is one of the best MMO Introductions ever created.. if not the best. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN!!!!!! Maybe you're in the middle between power-gamer and immersion-gamer (if we are to make a scale, and to be fair they're not truly mutually exclusive), but I am far on the side of immersion, so maybe we're just that different in tastes.
nothing has pissed me off more than the opening 10 seconds of this video, i have reported your account and i hope you lose entitlement to any state benefits youre currently claiming
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i think they shoudl finished the unfinished zones/raids/areas for classic. like mount hyjal, a classic twist on karazhan itself.
Its a shame because they have said that they dont want to reiterate any of the zones that have been released in the retail expansions as of now. Sadly no hyjal to come. Potentially some more things with Naga involvement though, or even some other areas of the emerald dream as its so big.
That intro was gold.
For group finding there is the innkeeper system just make it useable
Rad, seeing you and hearing your perspective Lore! Brings back good memories the old days of Tanksspot! 🤘🤘🤘
I'd be looking for something specific in a potential "WoW Classic Plus" experience. It would be:
* Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor pre-Cataclysm. Put us in the timeline before Cataclysm changed everything. Slowly expand up to the chapters in Wrath of the Lich King.
* Have the modernized loot system for Dungeons & Raids.
* Have a group finder for dungeons. Not everyone has the means to just go into random chat channels and solicit help for every level of dungeon. Make it also easier to find guilds using the modern layouts.
* Remove the fees for learning skills and learning riding. Keep the riding level requirements at levels 20 and 40 for ground and flying, respectively, but have the more plentiful flight paths to compensate.
* Have the gold economy placed somewhere in between the classic and modern ratios. 1000 Gold should be considered a lot of money, but make it possible to acquire more than 1 Gold on average in the early levels.
* Keep the slow leveling ratio throughout the experience, but make the recommended level requirements for dungeons much wider to compensate.
Super cool you make videos, what a nice surprise to stumble upon
in terms of 40 man vs 20 man, why not have flex 20?
Good to see you still streaming, haven't seen you since the weekly marmots
Overall: I want classic +, more new fresh content in the game like demon fall canyon, new zones, new quests, races, etc. as long as its all in the vein of classic's style and vision.
I play in 4K on a huge monitor and any UI improvements is great. I don't want ten thousand addons and small text boxes anymore from 2006's UI
Would be a blast going through old WoW raids and doing all the fights while figuring out how you could make them more fun.
Vanilla is like Jenga, any piece you touch can collapse the structure, the clear example is SoD. Just enrich the leveling with more variety of quests,mobs and some new zones/dungeons/raids/bgs. Don't make the raids harder but the preparation to get to them. Don't make every specialization viable, every class and spec has to have it's essence. Just have respect for Vanilla and don't make it a lab rat but a project with clear ideas and complete transparency with the community. And for God's sake, stop taking ideas from expansions after Vanilla, they are completely different games.
I also believe that exploration is one of the main reasons why the classic version was great. I don't share the idea that the world became bad after Cataclysm; what made it bad was the introduction of flying and the streamlining of quests.I would prefer if the zones were changed up a bit-not like in Cataclysm, but somewhere in between, where they are still largely recognizable but different. In a way, I want a retail version of the old zones; however, I prefer the old way of questing. I like that some quests send me around the world, as well as pre-quests (chains) for zones and dungeons, and class quests like the shaman water totem. I love those. Season of Discovery has given life to some specs that were unplayable in classic. To me, one of the best class designs was between Cataclysm and Wrath, with features like ranks, dual talents, no spec lock, and glyphs/runes. Mastery is nice, and some classes, like Survival Hunters, needed a redesign. I would entertain the inclusion of monks, death knights, and demon hunters, as they all exist in a way but are unplayable. I would also remove PvE/PvP racials and make any race able to play any class. When it comes to races, I would like to see the Alliance with blood elves and the Horde with ogres.New zones would be interesting; however, the world is already very big, with every zone serving its purpose. I would like to see more open-air dungeons like ZF. Gilneas, for example, could be such a dungeon. Essentially, my most radical suggestion is the addition of new level 40-60 content because all previous level 40-60 content will become 60-80! This means Feralas would be 60-65, Tanaris 65-70, etc. Why? Because now we can explore the Cataclysm/TBC zones that are unavailable in Classic WoW, but they are part of the questing journey. Not every zone needs to be flipped, but the idea is to make it fresh for people who play Classic on autopilot (endgame zones would still be endgame).
I wish for DF graphics and zones, Cataclysm/WotLK class balance, Classic quests and pacing, 20-man raids, 10-man mega-dungeons like brd, and 5-man dungeons. I don't want to talk about PvP because I don't care about it. World buffs have to go! I don't mind the dungeon finder either, but it should only find you a group; you have to make your way to the instance. This is just so that people won't spam.And no, this is not WoW 2 because I want classic WoW game design with modern graphics and zones and better class design.
Their strategy should be to copy OSRS and its success. They need to design the game to have avenues of parallel progression. They need a unique game and not just copy retails design philosophy. The game shouldn’t be just endgame rush like SoD. SoD has many positives but it’s still leaning too much towards retails character progression.
Bingo. Why bother making Classic+ if it's just going to be Retail-lite ? Mimicking the OSRS - RS3 design philosophies is the way to go.
Exactly
You're off in the weeds. Classic+ does not equal WoW 2. Your thoughts about adding death knights and monks etc., is WoW2.
that intro - I can't even
New reputations could be cool, however I think whats important is to try and introduce it so it just dosent become some other 'Meta farm' Reputations should be a bonus for the work you carry out across the world in general. I liked the Tabards give rep for a faction when you wear them. I'd Personally like some more items that drop from content to be tied to new lore and long quest chains. As tedious as some of the things like 0.5 are, they are what made classic the game it was.
My thoughts on the new player experience. Put in that voice over ai addon that reads the quest text or something similar, and put a map beside the quest log, and when you highlight a quest, it shows you on the map how to get there. To me, that would feel like the right amount of investment without just following an arrow around. That would engage new players enough without frustrating them.
Quest text that points to the fact that you're playing a game makes quests unbearable to me. I much prefer a tutorial pop-up to fourth-wall breaks from characters and world elements.
The problem with adding new races or classes to classic plus, is that retail players would be really mad. Remember , retail players have asked for X things for years, never got it, now the classic players get it. i can see hude amout of rage.
I hope they add VoiceOver option.
for classic plus i would want the intended original version of the emerald dream. theres so much in classic that points to it. wouldnt even have to be vertical progression... tbh id prefer if it was just slightly below nax. and maby some form of the dragon isles, but not the way it is in retail.
i was being sarcastic about the "totally intentional" part. We all knew it was an accident but they made a blue post saying the Era changes were intentional, and then reverted these so called "intentional" changes.
MoS is already available to Horde via Warcheifs Blessing, On era realms alliance have also been able to get this buff since 2019 by being mind controlled by a horde player whenever the buff is going out.
MoS on Era simply removed the barrier to entry for getting that buff.
Its interesting because they kept around the included QoL SoD P4 world buff changes, that is the Dire Maul Tribute and Songflow buffs can no longer be dispelled.
I think the classic starting experience just kind of works. Adding to it for any new mechanics, or adding a tutorial interface that you can turn off is probably fine.
I like how the name of the show was taken back from the meme.
Please tell me thats the same room that the weekly marmot was filmed in???
Hey, i actually maintain the LFG chat parsing addon.
I think the biggest benefit of not having the blizzard group finder tool is that it encourages alot more socialization which is the biggest part of the classic "spirit".
Because its all still done through chat, you still have to be willing to engage in a system where some level of communication is expected. As opposed to being able to joining a waitlist (or 5) and waiting for an invite as if it was the Random Dungeon Finder.
The blizzard group finder tool is hilariously broken on cataclysm so i can understand why its not used much, but we had it in Wotlk as well and it was not used as much as people just spamming in chat channels.
PS. the API for working with the blizzard group finder is still incredibly restricted since the whole Legion world quest automation fiasco sadly.
Honestly, I'd rather just they bring the classic world back into the modern game. Whether it's own Chromie time mode, a portal you access from the Caverns of Time, I don't care how, I just really like modern but I miss the pre-cata world.
That said, assuming we're going to try to adhere to Classic Era as much as possible, a Classic+ to me would be CLassic Era with the following additions:
1) Talent loadouts like they do in modern. Not the modern trees, just the ability to have multiple load outs and the ability to change between them as effortlessly as I can in modern
2) The tabs from modern for pets, toys, etc. I greatly prefer these items living in a tab than taking up space in my inventory.
3) Some sort of level scaling system similar to EQ2's Mentor mode or how FFXIV does dungeons and fates. Higher level players need to have a way to able to play with lower level players to keep the game feeling alive and full of players so if I want to play with my friends and I'm higher level than they are, we can still play together.
Anything beyond that, I'm OK with, but those are the three things I'd really like the most.
Everyone wants different things, so it's tricky. I personally would love to see some talent changes, specifically replacing those that are universally seen as trash tier.
Look at what turtle wow did. That's pretty much what I think most want for classic plus
I feel like I've experienced this intro first hand...
Add death knights but it's just undead paladins for the horde
it how they impliment these. i would not mind draenei and blood elf even worgen
I like the idea of Classic + being classic but wholly rebuilt for the retail client. Once you have that foundation set, add new quests, raids, races, etc. Keep the level cap at 60. Keep the raid encounters limited in complexity (AQ 40/Naxx).
I'm not quite young enough to have grown-up exclusively on phone/tablet games, but I can relate to some of the younger generation because I didn't grow up on stationary consoles. The biggest difference I find is that I only ever use a controller for games if I have no other choice. I drastically prefer keyboard-and-mouse (or some touchpad controls). I suspect this is going to be increasingly common as the younger generations age up and would not be surprised if touchpad becomes the new default eventually.
Its funny to me that so many WoW players are afraid of wow becoming an Xbox game, when it seems the much bigger risk is that WoW becomes a tablet game.
Hear me out…. Level 60 versions of all the low level dungeons. Dead mines, Wailing Caverns… etc… new loot tables and new mechanics for the boss fights.
Cataclysm did that
I'd love a settings option to use high-res character models on my client side. I don't see why i need to keep seeing these gross, hideous characters models people seem to be so crazy about.
Go play retail
new models are terrible, disney level design and animation.
can you react to the recent dev interviews? hammerdance, ebonhardt and countdown to classic each did one. maybe just a recap of your thoughts. The reason I ask is because they hint about classic+ and also talking about the lack of support from the art team at blizz and also trying to prove their legitimacy as a product to the company. Since you have insight into the company maybe you can shed a light on it. To me, it seems classic seasons/sod/classic+ is all just a minimum viable product.
I hate it when my horse has no race in it.
thx for video
when blizzard has sent a classic plus survey?
Game tutorials would just be wasted resources that would be batter used in balancing the classes more.
Cannot trust them with changes. They prove that at every step. Proved it with era, proved it with som, proved it with sod.
That they do not have an understanding of what makes vanilla fun for players decades later.
Further they either don't have any idea of what type of game vanilla was or they simply do not wish to further the vanilla model.
"Modern players don't want that -> target modern audiences instead".
Players go the path of least resistance. Lessening rough edges, that force players to interact with each other; players will no longer have a need to interact = you destroy the game.
Now that could be world bosses, leveling, ganking / griefing, pvp, ranking, raiding, various grinds, farming, zone control.
Virtually every aspect of the game that could be construed as a grind/ tedious/ an inconvenience.
But what they miss is that very same inconvenience itself is the very thing that makes vanilla a good game.
For me, obviously I'm no changes. Further I'm strongly no to blizzard also. I do not trust them, never will. As I played 2019 and era I have good reasons for that.
I was one of the few lucky ones to play the game during their honor update to era 11 months ago; so I lost my entire lifetime pvp history. And was told "sorry" cant fix. And ignored for a year now.
I'm not 100%, but I think they erased somewhere near 13000 and 14000 hours from my life with that update. Hundreds of thousands of hks.
In any event I will never play or pay for any game they or their predecessors make.
Era should have been left unchanged. They promised it would be, IT WAS NOT. Era should not be on a client with HC and SoD.
Era should be on patch 1.13.7/1.13.6 TO THIS DAY.
The only change vanilla/ era could have used: ACTUAL ACTIVE MODERATION.
But that's not realistic to ask for it, is it? No money in that.
This just sounds like SoD+ I'll pass thanks
a lot of MMO's do the tutorial experience by making your character go through a tutorial "in the future" when you're max level and they give you your abilities. usually you fight one of the big bosses at max in a super easy version and at the end of the tutorial experience it has a small cutscene or something that says something along the lines as "months earlier" and you start at level 1 with 0 xp from that point
Im not immersing at all after hitting lvl 60 everything is camped and tagged
crazy to me that you want a tutorial for a tutorial, i was able to understand all the game mechanics as a 4 year old just from the starting zone i dont think people have gotten dumber then 4 year olds
More content more raids leave everything else as it is no class changes no pvp changes. IF we wanted retail and convenience it exists we don't want that, it degrades the essence of the game.
i think they want to introduce dwarf shamans and tauren paladins... new races would be complicated, but giving shaman to alliance and paladin to horde... yes please
Classic needs small changes such as tanking classes having taunts, the worst specs getting a tune up to be viable and Every spec getting their own tier set bonuses/stats.
Any new content would be welcome such as mythic modes for a challenge.
Just fill up the empty zones. Add more content, dont change the formula. 1-60 is the core game.
Turtle Wow does classic+ properly. If Blizzard tried, I'd still just play turtle wow. I do not trust activision to get it right.
Realized for 100% certainty that you're not in the main group of "classic andy" types when you brought up Druids and entangling roots.. ive leveled 3 Druids on classic (not SoD, Era realms) and disagree completely with your "conveniences" for the class.
Druids also have Hibernate which is limited to beasts & dragon kin.. should it be allowed to be used on humanoids?? Rebirth requires a seed to be cast... Should the reagent be removed?
No.. and Entangling roots should only be able to be used outside. Should some dungeon functionality be fixed? Sure... But entangling roots is a spell where a druid calls upon the earth mother and raises roots from the ground.. why would it not be limited to outside as it is??
Curious if you play tabletop rpgs too.. i play tons of D&D, Pathfinder, and CoC and you wanting removal of some of this flavor makes me question what level of roleplay & immersion you prefer & if you play ttrpgs.
Had to pause and type this crappy bit on my phone, but it was jarring for me, (an autistic druid leveler) to hear that.. don't mess with my class fantasy you fools.
a) I said about a million times in the video that I don't think any of these changes should apply to Era
b) I've been playing D&D for 25 years, still play every week, and roleplay in other games nearly every day
c) Even the D&D version of Entangling Roots (Entangle) has no "outdoors only" restriction (and hasn't since at least 3rd edition)
Maybe don't assume so much about a person based on a single sentence, hmm?
@@devolore Focusing on era doesn't even really matter, because I don't think it should be changed for either. My concern is the changes and ideas you propose for Classic+... Classic+ will (hopefully) be built on using "Vanilla philosophies" and Entangling Roots being useable outdoors only is a vanilla philosophy. The same for reagents and other niche spells. Entangling Roots is not the hill I would choose to die on, but it's definitely worth mentioning.
Do you think other niche spells should be changed for Classic+ (along with roots)? Like the Hibernate specificities? Should reagents be removed for spells like Rebirth? I think that's absurd, because then the spells become purely GAMEPLAY MECHANICS... just numbers & a CC.. homogenized fluff without any sort of negative/trade-off. WoW then becomes purely gamified and mechanical in nature, versus an immersive role-playing experience. Sure, both *can* exist, but I dont trust any developer to do this right, besides FromSoftware.
As for your point about Entangling Roots & Entangle from D&D... ummm you're kind of pointing out the difference between AD&D/"Classic" D&D and modern incarnations that are more generalized/homogenized/streamlined (like D&D 5E)... It's like D&D 5E is metaphorically Retail WoW, and older D&D is akin to Classic WoW in this case... hmm... why would I used 5E as an example for spell-use over 2nd Edition? It should be the opposite, using 2nd Edition (for example) as a point of reference. Your D&D example makes no sense when looking at it in a Classic vs Modern lens.. you're arguing for the modern and streamlined 2024 version of the game to be introduced into the Classic 2004 version lol..
That one sentence about Entangling Roots was not the only thing, that was just what finally got me to pause the video and write a comment.. I immediately lost any faith in what you might want for Classic+ when you thought the Incursions were fine.. and that was VERY early in your video. Incursions are the *singular* most destroying update for SoD Phase 1-4.. to think they are anything but awful and abhorrent for the game invalidates much of your opinion concerning what Classic+ should be in my eyes.. they are fundamentally antithetical to the design of Classic WoW. That is a hill I would die on, opposed to the Entangling Roots case. There are only a handful of hardlines to not cross, and Incursions is most certainly one of them.
Didn't think you would be so offended at me wondering if you played ttrpgs or cared for immersive gaming. I only asked because your proposals are so gamified and potentially immersion-killing that i took you more for more of a power-gamer or min/maxer versus somebody who cared for immersion.. which is OK.. Different players like different things.. not caring about immersion is OK..
your "new player experience" for example, is too "video-gamey" .. creating a tutorial version separate from the game versus just starting in Northshire Abbey and becoming lost in the world... it's such a weird idea for Classic.. and a waste of development. The beginning of Classic WoW is one of the best MMO Introductions ever created.. if not the best. DON'T FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN!!!!!!
Maybe you're in the middle between power-gamer and immersion-gamer (if we are to make a scale, and to be fair they're not truly mutually exclusive), but I am far on the side of immersion, so maybe we're just that different in tastes.
nothing has pissed me off more than the opening 10 seconds of this video, i have reported your account and i hope you lose entitlement to any state benefits youre currently claiming
Remove dhks
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they just need to copy turtle wow. ez content. They even have wow creators voice acting for them.
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