Speaking of decorations with player housing: in the early days of black desert online I endlessly grinded low level mobs for these taxidermied squirrels. I filled my house with hundreds and hundreds of them all over all the furniture and in a half circle facing the doorway so they stared at any guest entering.. Then I invited guild mates over and pretended my house was normal. I'll do it again in WoW if given the chance.
Holy moly its Lore! dude you unlocked a fucking core memory of me as an early teen running around Wintersgrasp listening to the weekly Marmot. Great to see you again dude hope everything is going good!
Why was the garrison a miss? Simple - Because Blizzard made two crucial mistakes: 1) They tried to make the garrison an integral gameplay part. 2) The primary reason why people love player housing is that they can build cool stuff and show cool stuff to other players - and the garrison simply didn't provide that. It was barely customizable and it was not really possible to visit the garrisons of others...not that there was a real reason to visit them in the first place because they all looked the same. Strangley enough the most customization that players could do was collecting different songs for the jukebox to play. That part was actually cool. That said - garrisons still could have worked with the functionalities they provided by simply offering areas of the garrison reserved for customization and customization only on top of the rest. Sources for stuff to customize should come from all sorces: raids, dungeons, delves, Open World content and primarily and most importantly professions. 17:39 One sugestion: In Lord of the Rings Online you can visit the houses of other players unless they blocktheir house from uninvited visitors. You cannot interact with the house, but you can ride around in the instanced villages and visit homes and even guild houses. In LotRO there are four areas where instanced villages for players are located and people can buy a house, one each in the style of humans, halflings, elves and dwarves. I spent many hours just riding around in these villages, visiting homes and gathering ideas for what to collect and how to prep my own house.
In FFXIV the vast majority of housing items (furniture, decorations, even flooring/walls/the outside of the house) are created by the crafting jobs and it works out pretty well. Even raid trophies are created by using boss drops that crafters can use to make the trophies. Would love to see something similar in WoW.
Worth mentioning is the system in EverQuest that has player housing and neighborhoods you can walk around in. They also have a separate guild hall for your guild to display items and use the guild teleporter. Since this is Holly’s background (coming over to Blizz from EQ), I think they have a handle on what features a good housing system should have. In WoW terms, this needs to be an evergreen system that survives across expansions though. And that is where Blizzard is sometimes afraid to implement things. But housing doesn’t have anything to do with combat, just items and loot. So hopefully it’s just a decision about devoting manpower and server resources. For the people who collect cosmetics and this is the primary reason they play the game, player housing would be a tremendously good feature.
I would love a Suramar/Silvermoon themed housing area. By far my favorite aesthetic/vibe 😊 I love the idea of followers coming to your housing - sometimes I forget to pick up those quests lol
Whenever this debate comes up, the same "oh players will be in their houses and never leave" argument comes up, but EverQuest 2 is always the first thing I think of. The houses are in little neighborhoods, instanced so basically each "model" could be a bunch of players' houses, and the neighborhoods have things like vendors and crafting areas and quest givers so there's always people there - they weren't just centered around the current content's main hub city, they were all over the world in these various neighborhoods BECAUSE that was where their houses are, and sure enough, because of the vendors and crafting areas, you did get to know your neighbors! I think this might be really good for current WoW where your realm isn't your "neighborhood" as much anymore because of the cross-realm play. And inside your house, you have a place to put furniture items, trophies from past kills, pets you want to just run around free, etc. And you can still show friends your house by inviting them into your instance, so there's the desire to show off covered. I feel like EQ2 is the model to copy for a game like WoW, personally.
I agree with everything you said. Many years ago I gave feedback on the idea but didn't had much hope. When I got my garrison, I was so disappointed on how very little options there where to customize it.I think shortly after that I took a break from wow and played a different mmo, where they had that option, just can't remember what it was... Maybe rift? No clue, it's been so long lol
I left WoW too after working on my garrison but never finishing it. I played House Flipper and 7 Days to Die, where I loved decorating houses. But my favorite was Everquest housing. If they make EQ3 and it has housing as good as in 2, I will play it.
this so much, i spent so many hours in star wars galaxies decorating. owning houses and plots of land usually in a guild run city just made me feel so much more connected to the world. i'm glad the algorithm recommended your channel, long time fan from back in the gamebreaker days. best of luck to you and the channel!
Actually they pretty much took the design from Ultima Online, which some of the same developers. The only problem is that there was limited room for player housing and the best spots were taken early and eventually ran out of room, it was an awful design.
I think this is as simple as : *Make areas in un-used parts of every zone an instanced place for you to put your house.* Either that, or basically the same thing, but the portal is the *Island Expedition* boat, which takes you to an island that bears the zone-theme of your chosing.
When I played Palia, there was so many aspects of the various gathering and crafting systems that I felt would fit perfectly fine within WoW, I was sad how little progress has been made on what would be such an amazing addition to the game.
Stormsong Valley has a faction assault world quest called Unfriendly Skies that has some interesting phasing tech with the airship involved. Ever since, I've felt like it would be cool to have personal and guild airships as a form of player housing that not only could be evergreen in the modern sense but could also utilize all kinds of skyboxes and zones as backdrops and dock at a variety of points of interest to effectively "solve" the weird world travel gameplay of players just using portal hopping to get around everywhere.
yes. but only if they take heavily from Wildstar's way of doing it where decorations could drop from all dungeons and you could earn pieces and parts from questing, world drops, and professions. Your own pocket dimension, furnished and built from your adventures in azeroth. Add in heroic and mythic raid trophies that can be placed on walls/floors etc.
Here's my question for you. What do you think of Blizz making it an option of using your Warband characters in the follower dungeons as opposed to the generic placeholders they use currently. Obviously your entire party couldn't consist of your Warband since it is a 5-man and your Warband is only 4-man. Maybe an option comes up when you queue for a Follower dungeon where you can select dps, tanks, and or healers from your Warband. They would still be AI controlled but would be limited by the gear they have equipped and talents that you have selected. I don't think they would be eligible for gear BUT to incentivize you keeping them viable maybe they become eligible for some currency (resonance, kel, etc.), just at a much more reduced rate than the character that you are actively playing. The character that is actually running the Follower dungeons would be the only one eligible to get gear, just as it is now. Let me know what you think.
Having multiple could work if they do in swtor/eso fashion make a gold sink for nicer and nicer home locations. Which I think would work well in wow be nice to have gold sinks that isn’t player power or mounts.
Set certain areas that can be built upon, then the player can quest to gain "Building Tiles" similar to Fallout 4, per each zone. Seeing as how both Blizzard & Bethesda are under the same roof, so to speak, add a Building Menu. Sure make the area phased that only that Player / Warband can see, unless you're invited to see it.
Seeing alts walk around would be cool (might be a little odd if you have a Stormwind warbase and have Orc alts walking around?). I'd like to see mounts/pets/hunter pets as well. It could also use the Delve seamless transition to instance tech as well. It would be a money printing runaway hit AS LONG AS they get the basics correct, and not make dumb decisions (such as not giving us choices in location and customization). It doesn't have to be perfect or complete at launch, but it does have to RIGHT, because launching a bad player housing experience would be such a death knell. It needs all the care and attention as a true end game pillar, and not some tertiary curiosity (like the pet battle system). As much as I want this, I rather not have it than have it be half-assed.
Just watched the Warcraft Direct and I know this video is going to be referred back to a lot very soon! ^.^ everything you described here looks like it might be about to finally happen
Happy birthday bro, I personally dont care for player housing and it will probably just make major cities virtually empty if they’re handled like Garrisons and you can just do everything in that one spot.
If my dip into FF14 is any indication I don't think I would engage with a player housing system if it was implemented just on the basis of preference. However, i would want it to be good for those who would really want to engage with it.
Player housing would be nice, but I feel guild housing would be so much better. All you said plus statues from raids, CE, AHOC, PvP, Mplus, etc. There have been less and less incentives to be in a guild over the last expensions. I think it is time to strenghten this aspect of the MMO again P.S. or do individual player housing with the option to create an guild town, basically if you‘re in a guild player/GM option to include your home to the guild town.
Yes I think player housing should be in the game, it should be instanced and customizable and the furnishings should come primarily through dungeons and raids as reward drops or crafting or traders tender
Lore, request you discuss the multitude of bugs and QA issues that are plaguing this game right now. It's been an issue this whole expansion, but has recently become unplayable due to the recent patch 11.0.5. The bug forum is exploding right now with issues, the raid is becoming unplayable due to low FPS, the anniversary event is a mess, all due to bug and QA problems. Would be a fun watch, and maybe wake Blizzard up to the fact they need to put more effort into the fundamentals of the game first.
heres a difrent thing blizzard could do (if it wont get canceled lol) thai could make a cosygame like palia in the warcraft universe and have your wow and (enter game name here) accounts linked so that achiefments you get in wow wil unlock certain things in the cosy game where you can build your house and maintain your farming plot.
I think u hit the nail on its head with people decorating space around them to feel better. We dont get any benefits from transmog, and look how many people care about it. We even have fashion week. Surely, there is really, really small % where transmog could benefit you in pvp, but that is so small, it doestn even need to take care of.
I'm not particularly interested in it, but I know a lot of people are. If they do it they should go all in with housing-related professions & everything.
Do NOT add physics to the item placement. Do I want a flying bed? let me do it. Do I want a bed halfway inside the wall? let me have it. Basically just copy most features from GW2 player housing, I wish FF14 housing didn't have physics attached to item placement, that way I wouldn't need to use 100 different bugs to be able to put my loft wherever I want. Being able to put any item anywhere is a big part of creative house decorations and being able to "create" new furniture or architecture that isn't present in the game. Also, make player housing integrate with guild housing, like you have your guild house and there is a portal to access your personal home from there and vice versa. A player + guild housing system could open such a big avenue for new types of content and rewards.
At this point in the game's life I really don't care and dont think it should be a priority for the wow team. There are already way too many continents, zones, cities, shards, servers, versions of wow that split up wow players. Having everyone hearth to their house just sounds sad for anyone that wants to play the game as a MMO. I know the game is old and the servers struggle with big zone events even with players split up with sharding but I would like more community focused additions and less single player and instanced content. Or just make wow 2 already.
It would be a massive waste of development time and I hope they don't bother with player housing. Some sort of pvp fortresses or guild run Inn's might fit better but player housing seems a bit pointless, maybe some collectors would like it. Player dungeons maybe?
only people ever complaining about this are ppl who dont partake in any other aspect of the game.. WoW isnt the sims, we dont need a house, we are adventurers fighting random bad guys all over. not only does it make 0 sense story wise it would just be another time sink shoehorned in.
@@sonakthehunter2841 because your perspective of the game is what should apply for millions of others, right? The original devs wanted player housing too but didn't have the resources for it right away. Also, many players have spent 20 years in this game, it's already a home for many. There are more positives for it than against it. If you're tired of hearing about it, cope. Players will continue to ask regardless.
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Speaking of decorations with player housing: in the early days of black desert online I endlessly grinded low level mobs for these taxidermied squirrels. I filled my house with hundreds and hundreds of them all over all the furniture and in a half circle facing the doorway so they stared at any guest entering.. Then I invited guild mates over and pretended my house was normal. I'll do it again in WoW if given the chance.
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You're describing SWTOR's "strongholds". They are great and I love customizing them. If wow had the same system. It would be awesome.
Holy moly its Lore! dude you unlocked a fucking core memory of me as an early teen running around Wintersgrasp listening to the weekly Marmot. Great to see you again dude hope everything is going good!
Why was the garrison a miss?
Simple - Because Blizzard made two crucial mistakes:
1) They tried to make the garrison an integral gameplay part.
2) The primary reason why people love player housing is that they can build cool stuff and show cool stuff to other players - and the garrison simply didn't provide that. It was barely customizable and it was not really possible to visit the garrisons of others...not that there was a real reason to visit them in the first place because they all looked the same. Strangley enough the most customization that players could do was collecting different songs for the jukebox to play. That part was actually cool.
That said - garrisons still could have worked with the functionalities they provided by simply offering areas of the garrison reserved for customization and customization only on top of the rest.
Sources for stuff to customize should come from all sorces: raids, dungeons, delves, Open World content and primarily and most importantly professions.
17:39 One sugestion: In Lord of the Rings Online you can visit the houses of other players unless they blocktheir house from uninvited visitors. You cannot interact with the house, but you can ride around in the instanced villages and visit homes and even guild houses. In LotRO there are four areas where instanced villages for players are located and people can buy a house, one each in the style of humans, halflings, elves and dwarves. I spent many hours just riding around in these villages, visiting homes and gathering ideas for what to collect and how to prep my own house.
The intro is pure gold lol
In FFXIV the vast majority of housing items (furniture, decorations, even flooring/walls/the outside of the house) are created by the crafting jobs and it works out pretty well. Even raid trophies are created by using boss drops that crafters can use to make the trophies. Would love to see something similar in WoW.
Worth mentioning is the system in EverQuest that has player housing and neighborhoods you can walk around in. They also have a separate guild hall for your guild to display items and use the guild teleporter. Since this is Holly’s background (coming over to Blizz from EQ), I think they have a handle on what features a good housing system should have. In WoW terms, this needs to be an evergreen system that survives across expansions though. And that is where Blizzard is sometimes afraid to implement things. But housing doesn’t have anything to do with combat, just items and loot. So hopefully it’s just a decision about devoting manpower and server resources. For the people who collect cosmetics and this is the primary reason they play the game, player housing would be a tremendously good feature.
EQ2 festivals also had house items for sale. They had tons of decor in that game. I loved it.
I would love a Suramar/Silvermoon themed housing area. By far my favorite aesthetic/vibe 😊 I love the idea of followers coming to your housing - sometimes I forget to pick up those quests lol
Whenever this debate comes up, the same "oh players will be in their houses and never leave" argument comes up, but EverQuest 2 is always the first thing I think of. The houses are in little neighborhoods, instanced so basically each "model" could be a bunch of players' houses, and the neighborhoods have things like vendors and crafting areas and quest givers so there's always people there - they weren't just centered around the current content's main hub city, they were all over the world in these various neighborhoods BECAUSE that was where their houses are, and sure enough, because of the vendors and crafting areas, you did get to know your neighbors! I think this might be really good for current WoW where your realm isn't your "neighborhood" as much anymore because of the cross-realm play.
And inside your house, you have a place to put furniture items, trophies from past kills, pets you want to just run around free, etc. And you can still show friends your house by inviting them into your instance, so there's the desire to show off covered.
I feel like EQ2 is the model to copy for a game like WoW, personally.
I agree with everything you said. Many years ago I gave feedback on the idea but didn't had much hope. When I got my garrison, I was so disappointed on how very little options there where to customize it.I think shortly after that I took a break from wow and played a different mmo, where they had that option, just can't remember what it was... Maybe rift? No clue, it's been so long lol
I left WoW too after working on my garrison but never finishing it. I played House Flipper and 7 Days to Die, where I loved decorating houses. But my favorite was Everquest housing. If they make EQ3 and it has housing as good as in 2, I will play it.
this so much, i spent so many hours in star wars galaxies decorating. owning houses and plots of land usually in a guild run city just made me feel so much more connected to the world. i'm glad the algorithm recommended your channel, long time fan from back in the gamebreaker days. best of luck to you and the channel!
Actually they pretty much took the design from Ultima Online, which some of the same developers. The only problem is that there was limited room for player housing and the best spots were taken early and eventually ran out of room, it was an awful design.
I think this is as simple as : *Make areas in un-used parts of every zone an instanced place for you to put your house.*
Either that, or basically the same thing, but the portal is the *Island Expedition* boat, which takes you to an island that bears the zone-theme of your chosing.
When I played Palia, there was so many aspects of the various gathering and crafting systems that I felt would fit perfectly fine within WoW, I was sad how little progress has been made on what would be such an amazing addition to the game.
Stormsong Valley has a faction assault world quest called Unfriendly Skies that has some interesting phasing tech with the airship involved. Ever since, I've felt like it would be cool to have personal and guild airships as a form of player housing that not only could be evergreen in the modern sense but could also utilize all kinds of skyboxes and zones as backdrops and dock at a variety of points of interest to effectively "solve" the weird world travel gameplay of players just using portal hopping to get around everywhere.
yes. but only if they take heavily from Wildstar's way of doing it where decorations could drop from all dungeons and you could earn pieces and parts from questing, world drops, and professions. Your own pocket dimension, furnished and built from your adventures in azeroth. Add in heroic and mythic raid trophies that can be placed on walls/floors etc.
This VOD was Lit, no cap. 100 max Rizz.
One profession I'm surprised they've never added is carpentry/woodworking, and player housing would be the ideal way to add that into the game.
Would be cool to put down a shed with a forge in it and have one of your characters in there using it, making things. Same for an alchemy lab, etc.
Here's my question for you. What do you think of Blizz making it an option of using your Warband characters in the follower dungeons as opposed to the generic placeholders they use currently. Obviously your entire party couldn't consist of your Warband since it is a 5-man and your Warband is only 4-man. Maybe an option comes up when you queue for a Follower dungeon where you can select dps, tanks, and or healers from your Warband. They would still be AI controlled but would be limited by the gear they have equipped and talents that you have selected. I don't think they would be eligible for gear BUT to incentivize you keeping them viable maybe they become eligible for some currency (resonance, kel, etc.), just at a much more reduced rate than the character that you are actively playing. The character that is actually running the Follower dungeons would be the only one eligible to get gear, just as it is now. Let me know what you think.
Should those spots for housing be safespots that never receive colateral damage from major world events?
Having multiple could work if they do in swtor/eso fashion make a gold sink for nicer and nicer home locations. Which I think would work well in wow be nice to have gold sinks that isn’t player power or mounts.
Set certain areas that can be built upon, then the player can quest to gain "Building Tiles" similar to Fallout 4, per each zone.
Seeing as how both Blizzard & Bethesda are under the same roof, so to speak, add a Building Menu.
Sure make the area phased that only that Player / Warband can see, unless you're invited to see it.
Seeing alts walk around would be cool (might be a little odd if you have a Stormwind warbase and have Orc alts walking around?). I'd like to see mounts/pets/hunter pets as well. It could also use the Delve seamless transition to instance tech as well. It would be a money printing runaway hit AS LONG AS they get the basics correct, and not make dumb decisions (such as not giving us choices in location and customization). It doesn't have to be perfect or complete at launch, but it does have to RIGHT, because launching a bad player housing experience would be such a death knell. It needs all the care and attention as a true end game pillar, and not some tertiary curiosity (like the pet battle system). As much as I want this, I rather not have it than have it be half-assed.
Just watched the Warcraft Direct and I know this video is going to be referred back to a lot very soon! ^.^ everything you described here looks like it might be about to finally happen
Happy birthday bro, I personally dont care for player housing and it will probably just make major cities virtually empty if they’re handled like Garrisons and you can just do everything in that one spot.
If my dip into FF14 is any indication I don't think I would engage with a player housing system if it was implemented just on the basis of preference. However, i would want it to be good for those who would really want to engage with it.
Player housing would be nice, but I feel guild housing would be so much better. All you said plus statues from raids, CE, AHOC, PvP, Mplus, etc. There have been less and less incentives to be in a guild over the last expensions. I think it is time to strenghten this aspect of the MMO again
P.S. or do individual player housing with the option to create an guild town, basically if you‘re in a guild player/GM option to include your home to the guild town.
I have not done any of the professions since the start of Dragonflight because i have no idea what to do i think they made it far to complex.
Yes I think player housing should be in the game, it should be instanced and customizable and the furnishings should come primarily through dungeons and raids as reward drops or crafting or traders tender
If I can't get an adult sized race car bed I'm not interested.
Lore, request you discuss the multitude of bugs and QA issues that are plaguing this game right now. It's been an issue this whole expansion, but has recently become unplayable due to the recent patch 11.0.5. The bug forum is exploding right now with issues, the raid is becoming unplayable due to low FPS, the anniversary event is a mess, all due to bug and QA problems. Would be a fun watch, and maybe wake Blizzard up to the fact they need to put more effort into the fundamentals of the game first.
Blizzard should do what they do best. Steal from other games but make it better. Wildstar housing was amazing
give me a dwarven home in twilight highlands!
heres a difrent thing blizzard could do (if it wont get canceled lol)
thai could make a cosygame like palia in the warcraft universe and have your wow and (enter game name here) accounts linked so that achiefments you get in wow wil unlock certain things in the cosy game where you can build your house and maintain your farming plot.
Garrisons screwed social aspect if they limited the interaction with system might be okay.
can we see your guitars and bass?
I think u hit the nail on its head with people decorating space around them to feel better. We dont get any benefits from transmog, and look how many people care about it. We even have fashion week. Surely, there is really, really small % where transmog could benefit you in pvp, but that is so small, it doestn even need to take care of.
Decisions like the prod version of Garrisons reeks of a work environment with terrible psychological safety.
Wow already did it's player housing and it was widely panned.
@@TheBaldr maybe consider watching the video
I couldn’t care less about player housing. My worry is that Blizz would screw it up and somehow tie it to my character progression.
I'm not particularly interested in it, but I know a lot of people are. If they do it they should go all in with housing-related professions & everything.
You forgot no cap, skibidi.
Do NOT add physics to the item placement. Do I want a flying bed? let me do it. Do I want a bed halfway inside the wall? let me have it. Basically just copy most features from GW2 player housing, I wish FF14 housing didn't have physics attached to item placement, that way I wouldn't need to use 100 different bugs to be able to put my loft wherever I want.
Being able to put any item anywhere is a big part of creative house decorations and being able to "create" new furniture or architecture that isn't present in the game.
Also, make player housing integrate with guild housing, like you have your guild house and there is a portal to access your personal home from there and vice versa. A player + guild housing system could open such a big avenue for new types of content and rewards.
I'd much rather see something like WvW before housing, but that's just me.
At this point in the game's life I really don't care and dont think it should be a priority for the wow team. There are already way too many continents, zones, cities, shards, servers, versions of wow that split up wow players. Having everyone hearth to their house just sounds sad for anyone that wants to play the game as a MMO. I know the game is old and the servers struggle with big zone events even with players split up with sharding but I would like more community focused additions and less single player and instanced content. Or just make wow 2 already.
It would be a massive waste of development time and I hope they don't bother with player housing.
Some sort of pvp fortresses or guild run Inn's might fit better but player housing seems a bit pointless, maybe some collectors would like it. Player dungeons maybe?
Yes
Lmao this video did age well 😂
yes.
Sure. If I can rent that shit to pay rising raiding and m+ expenses.
Blizzard addressed this, they want to but they can't do it in the current engine. They can't improve on the Garrison system, so they won't do it.
You might be the only person who believes this
It should have already
bring back legendary with mike b
Player housing would be nice, but 90% of NPCs seem to be homeless!
Describing Elder Scrolls Online.
My god you are aging like a night elf!
they have housing, the garrison. I didn't read your whole question... but I stand at what I said.
Still what’s your point?
ugh. so tired of this housing talk. go play ff if ya want it so bad honestly.
Or get over players wanting things
only people ever complaining about this are ppl who dont partake in any other aspect of the game.. WoW isnt the sims, we dont need a house, we are adventurers fighting random bad guys all over. not only does it make 0 sense story wise it would just be another time sink shoehorned in.
@@sonakthehunter2841 because your perspective of the game is what should apply for millions of others, right? The original devs wanted player housing too but didn't have the resources for it right away. Also, many players have spent 20 years in this game, it's already a home for many. There are more positives for it than against it. If you're tired of hearing about it, cope. Players will continue to ask regardless.
@kevinmshields lmao bc I havnt played just as long? Whatever. Go play the Sims dude you can have ur pretty house then
@@sonakthehunter2841 you like apples?
HOW BOUT THEM APPLES