The Weirwood Trees have leaves that are likened to hands with five fingers. Red hands and carved faces of agony. There’s an ancient house in the reach with a banner that is a green hand on a while field. The First First Man, Garth the Green is some times called Garth Green Hand. He is a Summer King figure, with Oak as the summer tree. The Weirwoods appear to be, in their current state, Winter Trees.
This is what I have gathered so far: Garth Greenhand either gets kicked out of the weirwood net by the storm king and that leads him to become the Grey King, or he was tricked out of the weirwood net, becomes the Grey King to the iron born, returns to westeros, starts reaping everything he sowed and becomes known as the Storm King to the westerosi.
In the book Dance with Dragons Ramsey claims he killed Stannis in the huge beetle for winterfell, and what we don't know is whether or not the beetle happened already or is going to. (the pink letter). Most fans believe it's not happened yet, and S. is going to win it, probably by trickery.
i always thought tyrion is aerys' son but when im thinking about it now i think it would be funny if thats actually jaimi and cersei were his children and tyrion was the only truly tywin's son 😂
I agree with you, I wish they would create something in regards to the beginning of it all with ALL the magic and how the knight king became, how the children of the forest created white walkers, etc
Early on I had hoped the faceless men had replaced eddard stark and he escaped to the north. Imagine how cool it would have been for Jon to find him while ranging.
@@MoggerNChiefthe fact that this comment has 30 likes and even someone else commenting to back up this b.s. makes me pretty pissed. That shit is retarded, there is no way in hell any of those people have read the books or even watched the show. Maybe the internet really is dead and it’s all bots or AI’s commenting to each other.
Beric, as a fire wight, could light his sword on fire with just his blood, but his swords always “died” cause they’re regular steel. Jon, fellow fire wight, with a fire-proof Valeryn steel sword, never lit his sword on fire to fight and Others or the damn dragon............ “It just.. didn’t seem right to us.”
I think that Beric was Azora, but he passed his soul on into Lady Stoneheart, who will in turn give her life to save Jon in the next book (completing her caracter arc), so now Beric aka Azora's soul in Jon.
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Immediate sub!! there's so so so so soooooooooooooooooo many theories for the ASOIAF universe and I hope you continue to deep dive!! Also, I hope you eventually cover the dropped storylines and changes from the books to the show. Maybe even how you would have written the ending for the show!! Would love to hear your thoughts on it!!
Do the Ironborn believe in the natural, though? i thought the drowned god, etc. had connections to the deep ones, which are literal fish people of cosmic horror.
I'm not sure if you're talking about Stannis in the books or the TV show, but Stannis in the show was killed by Brienne and I think it was pretty unambiguous. Stannis in the books is probably still alive. There isn't much reason to believe what's written in the pink letter. Also he hasn't killed his daughter in the books, Shereen is still alive.
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Michael talks about stuff has the best theory on the White Walkers/Others that I've ever heard. They are basically spirits from the Weirdwood trees trapped in White Walker bodies trying to get back into the trees. The Wall is a line of huge weirdwood trees that are frozen over. There are bodies trapped inside pinned to the trees (like in the show, the night king was pinned to a tree when being created) The Heart of Winter is in the wall, an irregular heartbeat causes the off seasons). There is so much evidence and it all makes sense.
@@VaultLorehaha basically. There's a lot of foreshadowing. Yrgitte mentioning the wall being "made o blood". In Dany's House of the Undying chapter, she puts her head to a wall and it says "Others. She heard other voices." The clever, sneaky mention of others is very interesting from George. The well in the nightfort and water dripping everywhere. Water goes into trees from its roots.
I am of the mind that the Others are ancient greenseers trying to get back into the Trees. This connects with OG Azor Ahai, with him playing he role as invader, usurper of green magic, and OG Night’s King.
@@okdude8215 it’s a long story and a few theories, but to be brief: the Azor Ahai story and the Bloodstone Emperor story and the Hammer of the Waters Storm all line up pretty well. You get a bad guy sacrificing a woman and/or many Children, cracking the moon, and something falling to the Earth. Something that would likely cause a long night-like thing. And that would be the best time for the others to come about, too.
The show confirmed that the dragonsteel sword, Lightbringer, was the first "valyrian" steel made. In the books, the sword is describe as having the same powers as obsidian, dragonglass: it can generate fire without deteriorating and when you stab an Other with it, it melt. That dragonsteel is made with a blood sacrifice. Valyria's sorcery is rooted in blood and fire magic... In the show they toned down the magical effect, dragonglass is not shown to burn like in the books but it still kill the Other, he didn't melt but shatter in pieces. What magical steel could kill an Other the same that dragonglass did? Valyrian steel blades. It also doesn't shatter against the Others' blades. (in the books, the Others' blades are shown to freeze steel, the dragonsteel sword Lightbringer is describe as generating therefore it would be protected against the Others' blades).
But it also seems that there is no special effect of dragonglass against wights (Sam breaks some dragonglass trying to stab one) so Valyrian steel is just the best of both worlds. We don’t really know who has lightbringer yet though, right? (Lightbringer might also be a person in this cycle, some people point to davos)
@@VaultLore We don't know if dragonglass works against the wights. Sam tried to stab Small Paul with it but he is wearing an "heavy black cloak" and the "dragonglass blade shattered on the iron mail beneath the wool". Maybe it won't react like it did with an Other because, as Melisandre says it: "Necromancy animates these wights, yet they are still only dead flesh. Steel and fire will serve for them. The ones you call the Others are something more." The Others aren't simple human, they being of ice in some sort which would explain why the dragonglass, a glass tie to fire magic, would react. Every valyrian steel blade is a "Lightbringer", a dragonsteel blade. As we've seen with the dragonglass dagger, dragonglass is cold but when Sam stab an Other, it starts to burn, melting the Others and once dissolved, only the daggers remains, intact showing that obsidian is a glass that generate fire like a dragon thus "dragonglass". So in the books we can expect to see a valyrian steel blade reacting like the dragonglass dagger to counter the effect of the Others' blade and kill them like the dragonglass dagger did.
I have a theory about the gods in Game of Thrones: i think the events are cyclical with respect to key events that will definitely happen each cycle (e.g. the long night and azor ahai being the saviour), towards the end of each cycle we see the different groups of people all come together throughout the world (ironborn, essos, westeros, valyrians etc) each with their own Gods. In their coming together they then realise they all believe in the same God. This is where it might get a bit hard to understand. I think that there is one Godly power, made up of 7 different aspects which are each individual and the same at the same time. Much like in Christianity and in the The Seven. I think over time the people of ASOIAF lose their way after the coming together to defeat the long night and each take a part of the "true religion". The seven is the most obvious link being that there are seven gods and that each is a separate person. I think the father (the just god) is the equivalent of the lord of light as he is mentioned to be just by melisandre often. I think the Mother (compassion and kindness) is the equivalent of the 7 as it is seen as the religion of repentance. I think the Warrior is the Drowned God due to the nature of the iron islanders and the words what is dead may never die being words that inspire warriors. I think the Smith is the Many Faced God (god of labour) because it is referred that his followers are just serving the many faced god and his servants (ie working for him). I think the crone (wisdom and age) is the Old Gods for the obvious reasons. I believe the Stranger (embodiment of death and the unknown) is the Night King who in this scenario is an actual God who raises the dead with ease (quite a godlike power if you ask me) and nothing is known about him. And finally i think the Maiden is Azor Ahai, a maiden is completely pure and undefiled and in my opinion the opposite to the stranger. Azor ahai rids the world of the stranger who becomes too powerful and thus purifies the darkness from it linking back to the maidens purity. I dont know who azor ahai is though. I then think that time passes and like any story passed down bits get forgotten or changed and people follow the true religion less closely and what happens is people forget what they once followed but know it is different to what they follow now and begin referring to this as "the old gods" this scenario then repeats in each cycle of the story.
Oh that’s super interesting. I do like how it ties the cycle aspect in. I think the conclusion of some of the religious aspects are what I’m one thing I’m most excited for, even if GRRM never really spells it out for us in the end..
The only Gods that proved their existence were the Lord of Light and the Night King. The NK doesn't exist in the books. The Old Gods you can argue for or against
I clicked on your video cuz my BF and I finished GOT (my 4th time watching) and I’ve been on a theory and iceberg kick. I was gonna subscribe then realized I was already subscribed 🤔 no idea how that happened. I thought maybe it was a past video and the only other one I’ve watched is the Harry Potter one
The starks are tied very closely with the Old Gods and most all of them show some warging capabilities- meaning that this magic is tied to their religion?
I love any videos about this stuff but I feel the same way. I’m a nerd for this stuff and have read all the books multiple times and watched the series probably 10 times. Some of these comments are weird, weird, weird. I don’t know how to feel about it. Is this some kind of AI experiment?
The Faceless men may be fundamentally against the Others and all immortality. The Undying of Qarth appear near identical to the Others, and they appear to be suffering. They dance when they’re being burned (Freed). The Faceless Men killed the undying slaves before the Masters in Valeria. They could want to free the Others from their undying lives as spirits outside of the trees.
Haha there’s so many, I just drew a line. Want to look more at other cool stuff like lady stoneheart or Yi Ti in the future. The worlds just too big and I’m new.
It’s only in the show that the Old Gods don’t have tangibles. All the Stark children and several of the Free folk and even a few other wither kingdoms are wargs, some skin changers, 2 Greenseers. So you got Skin Changing, Green dreams, SpaceTime astral travel, second life’s, possibly even resurrection (looking at you, Cold Hands)
Book Stannis is leagues away from his Queens and Daughter, and he would NEVER burn her. He wants her to be on the throne if he can’t . Show Stannis is a whole different character 🙏🏾
@VaultVideosYT I just want to know if Trump would take the bait and consider this a real issue. I mean, why not? He rants about a lot of things that don't matter
My favorite theory might be the Starks having a pact w the white walkers
33:20 I mean, yeah. Who knows what went down between her and the Waif when she killed that candle.
The Weirwood Trees have leaves that are likened to hands with five fingers. Red hands and carved faces of agony.
There’s an ancient house in the reach with a banner that is a green hand on a while field. The First First Man, Garth the Green is some times called Garth Green Hand. He is a Summer King figure, with Oak as the summer tree. The Weirwoods appear to be, in their current state, Winter Trees.
There is much evidence in the Books that the White Walkers of the Wood are tied to Weirwoods.
This is what I have gathered so far: Garth Greenhand either gets kicked out of the weirwood net by the storm king and that leads him to become the Grey King, or he was tricked out of the weirwood net, becomes the Grey King to the iron born, returns to westeros, starts reaping everything he sowed and becomes known as the Storm King to the westerosi.
In the book Dance with Dragons Ramsey claims he killed Stannis in the huge beetle for winterfell, and what we don't know is whether or not the beetle happened already or is going to. (the pink letter). Most fans believe it's not happened yet, and S. is going to win it, probably by trickery.
i always thought tyrion is aerys' son but when im thinking about it now i think it would be funny if thats actually jaimi and cersei were his children and tyrion was the only truly tywin's son 😂
I agree with you, I wish they would create something in regards to the beginning of it all with ALL the magic and how the knight king became, how the children of the forest created white walkers, etc
Early on I had hoped the faceless men had replaced eddard stark and he escaped to the north. Imagine how cool it would have been for Jon to find him while ranging.
Oh I wish!
Would have destroyed the entire series comments like this make me thank god for the authors that we do have!
I mean, obviously. that’s why none of us wrote it.
@@MoggerNChiefmatters when and how they introduced him back it could easily have worked
@@MoggerNChiefthe fact that this comment has 30 likes and even someone else commenting to back up this b.s. makes me pretty pissed. That shit is retarded, there is no way in hell any of those people have read the books or even watched the show. Maybe the internet really is dead and it’s all bots or AI’s commenting to each other.
Great video. I cannot believe you have only 1k followers… many many more to come. Nice work 👌
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Beric, as a fire wight, could light his sword on fire with just his blood, but his swords always “died” cause they’re regular steel. Jon, fellow fire wight, with a fire-proof Valeryn steel sword, never lit his sword on fire to fight and Others or the damn dragon............ “It just.. didn’t seem right to us.”
I think that Beric was Azora, but he passed his soul on into Lady Stoneheart, who will in turn give her life to save Jon in the next book (completing her caracter arc), so now Beric aka Azora's soul in Jon.
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There are simply too many for all of them to shine.
Too true 😔
My thoughts exactly. This channel is incredibly good
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Immediate sub!! there's so so so so soooooooooooooooooo many theories for the ASOIAF universe and I hope you continue to deep dive!! Also, I hope you eventually cover the dropped storylines and changes from the books to the show. Maybe even how you would have written the ending for the show!! Would love to hear your thoughts on it!!
Do the Ironborn believe in the natural, though? i thought the drowned god, etc. had connections to the deep ones, which are literal fish people of cosmic horror.
absolutely adore what you do please keep it up!!!
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I'm not sure if you're talking about Stannis in the books or the TV show, but Stannis in the show was killed by Brienne and I think it was pretty unambiguous. Stannis in the books is probably still alive. There isn't much reason to believe what's written in the pink letter. Also he hasn't killed his daughter in the books, Shereen is still alive.
Nightking is the first Azor Ahai
There was a whole bunch of cold opens besides winds
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Michael talks about stuff has the best theory on the White Walkers/Others that I've ever heard. They are basically spirits from the Weirdwood trees trapped in White Walker bodies trying to get back into the trees. The Wall is a line of huge weirdwood trees that are frozen over. There are bodies trapped inside pinned to the trees (like in the show, the night king was pinned to a tree when being created) The Heart of Winter is in the wall, an irregular heartbeat causes the off seasons). There is so much evidence and it all makes sense.
So it’s attack on titan?
@@VaultLorehaha basically. There's a lot of foreshadowing. Yrgitte mentioning the wall being "made o blood". In Dany's House of the Undying chapter, she puts her head to a wall and it says "Others. She heard other voices." The clever, sneaky mention of others is very interesting from George. The well in the nightfort and water dripping everywhere. Water goes into trees from its roots.
Oh interesting. So what happens if they blow the horn and the wall falls? The others just give up?
@@VaultLore There is a lot more to it involving Winterfell, Gods Eye etc but I've forgotten. I need to watch his videos again lol
Same here!
the effort put into this video🙌
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More ASOIAF deep dives please 🙏💚
I wonder if the little brother of Cerci's prophecy will be Tommen?
Please explain………..
I am of the mind that the Others are ancient greenseers trying to get back into the Trees. This connects with OG Azor Ahai, with him playing he role as invader, usurper of green magic, and OG Night’s King.
Check out Michael talks about Stuff. He pretty much has the same theory.
David lightbringers theory
Why
@@okdude8215 it’s a long story and a few theories, but to be brief: the Azor Ahai story and the Bloodstone Emperor story and the Hammer of the Waters Storm all line up pretty well. You get a bad guy sacrificing a woman and/or many Children, cracking the moon, and something falling to the Earth. Something that would likely cause a long night-like thing. And that would be the best time for the others to come about, too.
The show confirmed that the dragonsteel sword, Lightbringer, was the first "valyrian" steel made.
In the books, the sword is describe as having the same powers as obsidian, dragonglass: it can generate fire without deteriorating and when you stab an Other with it, it melt. That dragonsteel is made with a blood sacrifice. Valyria's sorcery is rooted in blood and fire magic...
In the show they toned down the magical effect, dragonglass is not shown to burn like in the books but it still kill the Other, he didn't melt but shatter in pieces. What magical steel could kill an Other the same that dragonglass did? Valyrian steel blades. It also doesn't shatter against the Others' blades. (in the books, the Others' blades are shown to freeze steel, the dragonsteel sword Lightbringer is describe as generating therefore it would be protected against the Others' blades).
But it also seems that there is no special effect of dragonglass against wights (Sam breaks some dragonglass trying to stab one) so Valyrian steel is just the best of both worlds.
We don’t really know who has lightbringer yet though, right? (Lightbringer might also be a person in this cycle, some people point to davos)
@@VaultLore We don't know if dragonglass works against the wights. Sam tried to stab Small Paul with it but he is wearing an "heavy black cloak" and the "dragonglass blade shattered on the iron mail beneath the wool".
Maybe it won't react like it did with an Other because, as Melisandre says it: "Necromancy animates these wights, yet they are still only dead flesh. Steel and fire will serve for them. The ones you call the Others are something more."
The Others aren't simple human, they being of ice in some sort which would explain why the dragonglass, a glass tie to fire magic, would react.
Every valyrian steel blade is a "Lightbringer", a dragonsteel blade.
As we've seen with the dragonglass dagger, dragonglass is cold but when Sam stab an Other, it starts to burn, melting the Others and once dissolved, only the daggers remains, intact showing that obsidian is a glass that generate fire like a dragon thus "dragonglass".
So in the books we can expect to see a valyrian steel blade reacting like the dragonglass dagger to counter the effect of the Others' blade and kill them like the dragonglass dagger did.
Ahh interesting point that ALL Valyrian swords are lightbringer. Hadn’t thought of it that way before.
I have a theory about the gods in Game of Thrones: i think the events are cyclical with respect to key events that will definitely happen each cycle (e.g. the long night and azor ahai being the saviour), towards the end of each cycle we see the different groups of people all come together throughout the world (ironborn, essos, westeros, valyrians etc) each with their own Gods. In their coming together they then realise they all believe in the same God. This is where it might get a bit hard to understand. I think that there is one Godly power, made up of 7 different aspects which are each individual and the same at the same time. Much like in Christianity and in the The Seven. I think over time the people of ASOIAF lose their way after the coming together to defeat the long night and each take a part of the "true religion". The seven is the most obvious link being that there are seven gods and that each is a separate person. I think the father (the just god) is the equivalent of the lord of light as he is mentioned to be just by melisandre often. I think the Mother (compassion and kindness) is the equivalent of the 7 as it is seen as the religion of repentance. I think the Warrior is the Drowned God due to the nature of the iron islanders and the words what is dead may never die being words that inspire warriors. I think the Smith is the Many Faced God (god of labour) because it is referred that his followers are just serving the many faced god and his servants (ie working for him). I think the crone (wisdom and age) is the Old Gods for the obvious reasons. I believe the Stranger (embodiment of death and the unknown) is the Night King who in this scenario is an actual God who raises the dead with ease (quite a godlike power if you ask me) and nothing is known about him. And finally i think the Maiden is Azor Ahai, a maiden is completely pure and undefiled and in my opinion the opposite to the stranger. Azor ahai rids the world of the stranger who becomes too powerful and thus purifies the darkness from it linking back to the maidens purity. I dont know who azor ahai is though. I then think that time passes and like any story passed down bits get forgotten or changed and people follow the true religion less closely and what happens is people forget what they once followed but know it is different to what they follow now and begin referring to this as "the old gods" this scenario then repeats in each cycle of the story.
Oh that’s super interesting. I do like how it ties the cycle aspect in. I think the conclusion of some of the religious aspects are what I’m one thing I’m most excited for, even if GRRM never really spells it out for us in the end..
The only Gods that proved their existence were the Lord of Light and the Night King. The NK doesn't exist in the books. The Old Gods you can argue for or against
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Can’t wait to see your channel grow
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11:37 What do you mean? On the show Brianne killed him, for the death of his brother Renly Baratheon
Pretty sure it’s all off camera in the show. You just see Brianne swing a sword 🤷🏼♂️
Meaby Tyrion just likes Dragon's and that's it
are the books worth reading?
I like them! Depends if you like reading fantasy
Cool vid 👍
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I still belive in Ed + Ashara = Jon, Rhaegar + Lyanna = Young Griff, Mance Rayder = Arthur Dayne.
Oh man I forgot all about young griff
bro really put golubac fortreas in the background and thought we wouldn't notice
amazing video again btw :)
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baric WHO???
who is the "raynar"? I hear first men and andals all the time. but when they give the titles for whoever the king is. they say something about raynar.
I think you’re talking about the Rhoynar. They were a people from Essos who were eventually mostly wiped out by some Valyrians.
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The starks are tied very closely with the Old Gods and most all of them show some warging capabilities- meaning that this magic is tied to their religion?
I guess that’s possible! Idk the warging never felt super tied to the old gods to me
Lil Fingers is Jon's mother and he really is Ned's son bc mpreg will be embraced in Windy Winter
Source George RR Martin is me Dad
Imagine being GRRMs kid and still probably not knowing how the story ends 😂
And Tyrek Lannister is a horse 🐴
Azor Ahai
Glass candles
These comments are not attacks, just one nerd talking about the franchise he loves 🙏🏾 thank you for making this video :D
Glad you took the time to watch! I one a bit about the franchise but clearly not everything!
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I love any videos about this stuff but I feel the same way. I’m a nerd for this stuff and have read all the books multiple times and watched the series probably 10 times. Some of these comments are weird, weird, weird. I don’t know how to feel about it. Is this some kind of AI experiment?
inst tyrions hair white in the books aswell?
Is it? I don’t remember, maybe it changes after his battle?
Dany is also definitely Azor Ahai
She checks all the boxes, only her flaming sword is Drogon
Pls do lord of the rings
Oh added to the list!!
Thought brianne killed stanis
No one knows yet for sure
The Faceless men may be fundamentally against the Others and all immortality. The Undying of Qarth appear near identical to the Others, and they appear to be suffering. They dance when they’re being burned (Freed). The Faceless Men killed the undying slaves before the Masters in Valeria. They could want to free the Others from their undying lives as spirits outside of the trees.
Oh true. Would love to see faceless men vs others
Where are the other 800 points?
Haha there’s so many, I just drew a line. Want to look more at other cool stuff like lady stoneheart or Yi Ti in the future. The worlds just too big and I’m new.
It’s only in the show that the Old Gods don’t have tangibles. All the Stark children and several of the Free folk and even a few other wither kingdoms are wargs, some skin changers, 2 Greenseers.
So you got Skin Changing, Green dreams, SpaceTime astral travel, second life’s, possibly even resurrection (looking at you, Cold Hands)
Yeah I guess I didn’t attribute those to the old gods because you don’t see anyone say a prayer to warg for example, but I get what you’re saying.
@@VaultLore faiirrrr 🙏🏾 not to the wargs, but to the greenseers in the trees 🌳 many a prayer to the trees
True, maybe it’s just more of a delayed response!
Book Stannis is leagues away from his Queens and Daughter, and he would NEVER burn her. He wants her to be on the throne if he can’t .
Show Stannis is a whole different character 🙏🏾
Yeah I hate show stannis
White Walkers could have taken a ride on an iceberg around the Wall. The story is written for idiots.
I mean…suspension of disbelief, right?
@@VaultLore They built the Wall and are making the Starks pay for it. It's the only way out.
Ahh, they’re tax collectors. The most mundane GOT universe ever hahaha
Biggest plot hole in GOT history has just been uncovered
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I wonder what would happen if someone brought up George R.R. Martin finishing A song of Ice and Fire to Donald Trump?
Why?
@VaultVideosYT it just seems like a stupid thing for a politician to waste his time with, that's why it's perfect for Trump
Folks, Georgie Georgie Georgie, you gotta finish those books. Gotta.
@VaultVideosYT I just want to know if Trump would take the bait and consider this a real issue. I mean, why not? He rants about a lot of things that don't matter
I’m gonna guess he doesn’t read a whole lot