More reasons to be skeptical of Helaena x Aemond is Alys Rivers and also man would that make him a hypocrite for taunting the "Strongs." But I like that theory a lot for the later implications. Cole can't be Jace's father. Too much time passes between Cole and Rhaenyra's encounter and Jace's birth. Jace is younger than Aemond who wasn't conceived yet.
I was going to say that, too. Via the show, they talk about how they "tried ". She tells Daemon they tried, too and that's why there was such a gap in time from marriage to having children. If he was coles, she would have had Jace "early". 9 months to carry a baby. He would have come a few months after the wedding
Omg alicent being Melisande - when it was first mentioned i was like, "lol. No." Theb i thought about it and now im like "i hate it and i hate that its possible"😂
I think there have been lots of 3 eyes. Somewhere I read about the life spans of the skin changers, greenseers, wargs. It's interesting to find out who the 1st one was. Bran once used the term that he has seen with 1k and 1 eyes. Is that the amount of 3 eyes there have been? Was there only 1 true 3 eye that just vessel hops thru time or was there many living in the trees long ago?? Could it be that this 3 eye was the only one left as others died before finding another vessel?? It's all so interesting and it's a great escape for my mind. I hope to buy all of the books someday. I've just been listening to the audio. I want to see the maps and stuff to give me a better picture of their world. This is the only show in my 60yr old life that has truly hooked me. I was never a TV/Show person. Plus, I never watched TV. My husband had control of the channels and that was good 4 me as he was ill for years. He passed away a few months ago after being in and out of hospitals and rehabs for over a year. Im thankful for the GOT and HofD series for being the only thing that helped me escape the pain. Sorry for going on.
@@user-by2qz9kz6y no need to apologize! I think this is some of the beauty of the series and I'm so happy you're enjoying it, too! In the meantime, you can find maps of the world of game of thrones on Google ☺️ It's nice that you have something that helped ground you during such a difficult time. I'm so sorry for your loss, and hope your warm memories of him bring you some comfort.
My understanding from the dragon burning the throne was that the dragon had come to a realisation that the throne was the reason why dani is dead. Not coz of john just that the throne had gotten her killed so drogon took out the throne
I saw a theory on that since a dragon riders bond with their dragon is such a deep and magical connection that the dragons feel their riders emotions and over time even take on some of their riders personality. If that’s true it could also be the case that drogon was feeling Danaerys’ ultimate goal of breaking the wheel in Westeros in the moment of her death so he fulfilled her goal for her. I thought it was poetic
As far as the Grand Maester Conspiracy goes, how far down do you think it goes? Of course the Arch Maesters would be on on it. Butvwjere does it stop? Just the ones at citidel? Just the ones inntge great houses? All full maesters? Or also Acolytes? Or maybe just certian ones regardless of rank, like a secret society within the order? And ho is surely not in on it? Id say Marwyn, Halden, Oberyn, and Alleras.
i like the idea of daemon being bloodraven but i specifically like the idea ive heard before that daemon is simply there until the brendon rivers targeryan bastard takes over his spot
What an amazing compilation you have put together, here! This must have taken you an enormous amount of time to do semicolon for that I am eternally grateful. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You've earned a new subscriber, and I look forward to more videos from you! I hit those important like and subscribe buttons for you as the small gesture of goodwill to you! ❤❤
I see that there implying that Daemon is a white walker general because of the battle between him and Aemon at the gods eye but yet im confused because Helana said that Aemons body is never found when it was also said that this is the oposite and Daemon's body was never found and the gods eye is close to were the chidren of the forest are so who's the white walker general Aemon or Daemon
It really does. The Night King rode his dragon like a fucking boss! The only dragon rider I’ve seen ride with such Grace and control is Daemon. I believe Daemon’s experience with a power greater than any throne called to him. We don’t know that the white walkers are completely evil. I think the children are just one group of fae. Whatever packs were made, the descendants of the original pack must honor the blood oath. Their blood is bound and that’s an unbreakable bond without offering someone else to be the scape goat for your future progeny. This usually doesn’t work. You’re going to have to dance with the pack and either defeat it, join it, or destroy it. Their blood is bound to that pack too. It could be shared genetics, but that’s where? In the blood😂
I genuinely believe that Rheneara and Leanors kids are not bastards, but have barathian dark hair from their grandmother the queen who never was (who in the books has dark hair)
There is precedent in books, A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms specifically, for the existence of pure-born Targaryen children having dark hair and dark eyes. Daeron, Aemon’s brother was described as having sandy-brown hair. He used this to ‘hide’ from his duties and blend in with the general public easier. Further, Baelor Breakspear Targaryen was also described as having dark hair and dark eyes, not the bright purple eyes that were prevalent among other members of House Targaryen. Having said that, it is still highly suspicious that all of Rhaenyra’s children before Daemon were born with dark hair. However, there is a recessive gene in their DNA that presents throughout the history of House Targaryen.
It was an animal reaction. He basically said this is "nothing" he doesnt care about it. I think if jon had wanted it" to be king" the dragon wouldve melted him too
Its larys strong thats a greenseer he can see through the tree and the rats in the red keep he Is obsessed with alicent and watching her being shagged by the king lol
Doubt its going this way, but per show and now knowing the truth of viserys' last words, i am intrigued at the thought that alicent could become naturally and increasingly interestested in the prince that was promised, especially by the end of the dance as nearly the whole royal family is casualty to the war. Good listen, guys. I enjoyed. Thanks. 👍
The book talks about her going insane and babbling alone in her prison chambers. I think it would be cool if that was what she's talking about then and everyone is like, "okay, grandma. Off to bed now."
More reasons to be skeptical of Helaena x Aemond is Alys Rivers and also man would that make him a hypocrite for taunting the "Strongs." But I like that theory a lot for the later implications.
Cole can't be Jace's father. Too much time passes between Cole and Rhaenyra's encounter and Jace's birth. Jace is younger than Aemond who wasn't conceived yet.
People who have done something and are trying to hide it are often the most vocal against it. 🤔
I was going to say that, too. Via the show, they talk about how they "tried ". She tells Daemon they tried, too and that's why there was such a gap in time from marriage to having children. If he was coles, she would have had Jace "early". 9 months to carry a baby. He would have come a few months after the wedding
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Omg alicent being Melisande - when it was first mentioned i was like, "lol. No." Theb i thought about it and now im like "i hate it and i hate that its possible"😂
Na it's really not possible. Melisandre has been active in Westeros long before Alicent.
@@pyramidion5911 thank you for saving my psyche. I was upset 🤣
@@pyramidion5911Alicent is older than Melisandra, right??
Daemon is three-eyed crow is supposed to be PRE-Blood Raven. Who was the three eyed crow before blood raven?
I think there have been lots of 3 eyes. Somewhere I read about the life spans of the skin changers, greenseers, wargs. It's interesting to find out who the 1st one was. Bran once used the term that he has seen with 1k and 1 eyes. Is that the amount of 3 eyes there have been? Was there only 1 true 3 eye that just vessel hops thru time or was there many living in the trees long ago?? Could it be that this 3 eye was the only one left as others died before finding another vessel?? It's all so interesting and it's a great escape for my mind. I hope to buy all of the books someday. I've just been listening to the audio. I want to see the maps and stuff to give me a better picture of their world. This is the only show in my 60yr old life that has truly hooked me. I was never a TV/Show person. Plus, I never watched TV. My husband had control of the channels and that was good 4 me as he was ill for years. He passed away a few months ago after being in and out of hospitals and rehabs for over a year. Im thankful for the GOT and HofD series for being the only thing that helped me escape the pain. Sorry for going on.
@@user-by2qz9kz6y no need to apologize! I think this is some of the beauty of the series and I'm so happy you're enjoying it, too! In the meantime, you can find maps of the world of game of thrones on Google ☺️
It's nice that you have something that helped ground you during such a difficult time. I'm so sorry for your loss, and hope your warm memories of him bring you some comfort.
Lemons thrive in cool-summer regions. Here along central coast of California they are everywhere. Bravos similar no? Fog. Coastal.
My understanding from the dragon burning the throne was that the dragon had come to a realisation that the throne was the reason why dani is dead. Not coz of john just that the throne had gotten her killed so drogon took out the throne
I saw a theory on that since a dragon riders bond with their dragon is such a deep and magical connection that the dragons feel their riders emotions and over time even take on some of their riders personality. If that’s true it could also be the case that drogon was feeling Danaerys’ ultimate goal of breaking the wheel in Westeros in the moment of her death so he fulfilled her goal for her. I thought it was poetic
She'll be back. Watch.
@@twistedelegance_🤣🤣🤣🤣 how do u propose?
Otto hightower can only be seen as one character to a brit and that one character is Eyeball Paul 😂😂😂
As far as the Grand Maester Conspiracy goes, how far down do you think it goes? Of course the Arch Maesters would be on on it. Butvwjere does it stop? Just the ones at citidel? Just the ones inntge great houses? All full maesters? Or also Acolytes? Or maybe just certian ones regardless of rank, like a secret society within the order? And ho is surely not in on it? Id say Marwyn, Halden, Oberyn, and Alleras.
i like the idea of daemon being bloodraven but i specifically like the idea ive heard before that daemon is simply there until the brendon rivers targeryan bastard takes over his spot
That would be great twist
yess, if the books already didn't differentiate the two
I enjoyed listening this podcast while packing and cleaning the house😅 it just apeared from nowhere thanks to algoritms. 😅❤
What an amazing compilation you have put together, here! This must have taken you an enormous amount of time to do semicolon for that I am eternally grateful.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. You've earned a new subscriber, and I look forward to more videos from you! I hit those important like and subscribe buttons for you as the small gesture of goodwill to you! ❤❤
I see that there implying that Daemon is a white walker general because of the battle between him and Aemon at the gods eye but yet im confused because Helana said that Aemons body is never found when it was also said that this is the oposite and Daemon's body was never found and the gods eye is close to were the chidren of the forest are so who's the white walker general Aemon or Daemon
Daemon being a white walker is the most believable… as a dragon rider, it makes sense
It really does. The Night King rode his dragon like a fucking boss! The only dragon rider I’ve seen ride with such Grace and control is Daemon. I believe Daemon’s experience with a power greater than any throne called to him. We don’t know that the white walkers are completely evil. I think the children are just one group of fae. Whatever packs were made, the descendants of the original pack must honor the blood oath. Their blood is bound and that’s an unbreakable bond without offering someone else to be the scape goat for your future progeny. This usually doesn’t work. You’re going to have to dance with the pack and either defeat it, join it, or destroy it. Their blood is bound to that pack too. It could be shared genetics, but that’s where? In the blood😂
I genuinely believe that Rheneara and Leanors kids are not bastards, but have barathian dark hair from their grandmother the queen who never was (who in the books has dark hair)
Aemma Aryn also had dark hair in the books ! I also believe the kids are not bastards in the books
I thought Laenor was gay?
@@musicalone74 doesn't make him infertile
In the show, the two openly talk about how he couldnt bust 😂 he was very apologetic 🤣🤣@christianayers622
@@dmxchansonichu6373 I'm talking about the books.
Finally a full on discussion about this!!!
As for Drogo being responsible for the burning is really dumb. Missandei told Dany to Dracarys right before she was murdered
34:21 I say Helena is Quaithe.
It’s funny the casting in the show has been very specific and good haha including the valeryons
The Harwin and Rhaenyra theory isn't even a theory. That's just true and the showmakers intended it to be.
There is precedent in books, A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms specifically, for the existence of pure-born Targaryen children having dark hair and dark eyes. Daeron, Aemon’s brother was described as having sandy-brown hair. He used this to ‘hide’ from his duties and blend in with the general public easier. Further, Baelor Breakspear Targaryen was also described as having dark hair and dark eyes, not the bright purple eyes that were prevalent among other members of House Targaryen. Having said that, it is still highly suspicious that all of Rhaenyra’s children before Daemon were born with dark hair. However, there is a recessive gene in their DNA that presents throughout the history of House Targaryen.
some of the fan theories are laughable... like bro maybe you are thinking about this waaaaay too much
like daemon is the three eyed raven and aemond is the nightking... 😂
I hope there's some Lannister horse lore on this list
Mylasandra did live for a long time though it shows her turn so old with white hair showing she lived for a long time witch to me makes more sense 😅🎉
Saying rhaenyra wins the dance of dragons tells me you DEFINITELY didnt make it to the end of the story in the book 😂. Her story does NOT end well
Great video boys! Loved your comments and analysis.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Thanks!!!
haelena is drunk af in the dinner scene... lol
harwin strong is the father of rhaeneyra's children????? NOOOO , shocked Pikachu face...
Drogon burning kings landing has some weight . In fire & blood the people of kings landing storm the dragon pit and violently murder all the dragons
It was an animal reaction. He basically said this is "nothing" he doesnt care about it. I think if jon had wanted it" to be king" the dragon wouldve melted him too
Its larys strong thats a greenseer he can see through the tree and the rats in the red keep he Is obsessed with alicent and watching her being shagged by the king lol
Doubt its going this way, but per show and now knowing the truth of viserys' last words, i am intrigued at the thought that alicent could become naturally and increasingly interestested in the prince that was promised, especially by the end of the dance as nearly the whole royal family is casualty to the war. Good listen, guys. I enjoyed. Thanks. 👍
The book talks about her going insane and babbling alone in her prison chambers. I think it would be cool if that was what she's talking about then and everyone is like, "okay, grandma. Off to bed now."
Quaithe can’t be shiera in this world because she’s not even born yet
These are delulu theories
This is nonsense and I am not sure you've read the book.
Love the podcast love the Iceberg