They're talking about the function of newer stadiums in the next 20-30 years. Modern stadiums already have other functions and they want to increase the functions for the non-sports fan.
they said 30-40,000 seats sunk into the ground plus renovating the office towers around it to seat 80,000. for this first stadium like this it'd be ok. everything after though would seat well over 100,000.
Now, stadiums are multi-purpose. The new falcons stadium obviously has the falcons, but it also has the new soccer team, college football at the beginning and end of each season, final fours, concerts, monster jam, etc. It won't be open all of the time, but it will be open a lot.
Why let's take Ford Field in Detroit. Yes the people paid for it. So you want to know who owns the Stadium not the team. The people that own it are Detroit/Wayne County. Yeah they want a cut of the ticket sells that's how they get there cut.
Delain124 and if that happens then the owner will just move the team from Detroit. If you dare to threaten the owners profits they will just leave the town. If they can't have all the money then no one can have the money, that's the way it works.
Stop asking the tax payers to pay for these monstrosities. They never see any of the profits, and you have the audacity to charge them 12 dollars for a beer.
JoesTheShow They do see the profits, through the boom in the economy. If the stadium wasn't there, then ~80,000 less would be around weekly. That means those people aren't buying food from restaurants, staying in hotels, or spending money, which all stimulate the economy. The people do see the profits, just not directly.
OP4 Kub the issue is the fact that it's only during football season is when you will theoretically see these gains in the economy. And while you may see a slight profit during that time it won't make a dent in terms the tax costs just to maintain the damn thing. The City owning the stadium means they have to maintain the stadium. It's like hosting the Olympics, great idea at the time and a short term gain, but in the long term it fucks you over big time
Eli Gulley It doesn't matter that the people are only their for football season. It's not like those hotels and restaurants close when it isn't football season. The jobs are still there, and just because they aren't still benefiting AS much as compared to the football season, they still are benefiting.
They called "seasonal jobs" for a reason OP$. Other than NFL/College Football and every 5-10 years if in regular rotations like the Super Bowl or NCAA Final Four(College Basketball)or College Football Championship game)season most of those employees don't work year round. Its same concept as say Baseball only stadiums or theme parks like 6 flags. In case like Cowboys AT& T Stadium and Mercedes Stadium those mega facilities can work since both the North Texas(Dallas area) and Atlanta are major US cities with huge international airports. However for mid size or smaller NFL cities, a 90,000 seat stadium is dumb and in this age of virtual reality TV/Internet/Smart Phone, dumb.
One of the reasons why the SF Giants fans fill AT&T Park every single night despite a losing season. Stadium was entirely privately financed by the SF Giants baseball organization. Same is true with the new Golden State Warriors arena that being built just down the road from A&T Park. Privately financed.
"We want the stadiums to be multipurpose" St. Louis: Ok here is a dome for the Rams that can also do concerts, March Madness, Monster Truck events, conventions and more! "No not like that"
Football stadiums are already used for many events.. I live in Colorado and Sports Authority Field has events all year. Obviously we have the Broncos, but we also have the Outlaws (lacrosse), college football games, and high school football playoffs. Also, there are concerts played there almost every week during the summer.
Mustache Cash Dash you make it 10 stories high but you make them long as hell. 250k on each side minimum so 25,000 vertically. Dubai is already building 1
Greg Clarke its sad tho more and more only elites can afford to go to games and packers season tickets people have been on the waiting list their whole life's in their 30s lterallyt when a baby is born in green bay their parents automatically put them on the season ticket list so maybe one day on their kids 30s they can get the season ticket
I live in Orlando where the Amway Center, MLS soccer stadium, and Citrus Bowl were built (with TDT revenues) to dump into downtown and bring revenue to the city. After the games everyone walks straight to their cars and gets the hell out because the 3 complexes were built on the black side of the highway.
My whole life as I would sit in Arrowhead Stadium watching my beloved Chiefs I always thought to myself, "Man, you know what would make this experience so much better? If I could bring my private yacht into the stadium with me" Thank you populous and Sports Illustrated, now I know I will not have to wait much longer.
I’ve started to see this in my hometown. The Columbia Fireflies (Low-A Mets team) play here in a new stadium that was built just a few years ago. It is open to the public when there aren’t games going on - plus it has offices for other businesses within the stadium, conference rooms, hosts concerts, special events, and space that shops/restaurants can rent out. It’s also a pretty nice place to see a baseball game for cheap (although the baseball isn’t the best being Low-A haha)
Interesting video. My question is that the architects don't seem to figure the massive security risks that these open square, open public stadiums would have into the equation.
Exactly. This is purely the ideology of urbanist twats. They despise cars, and obsessively use the term "suburban" as derision. "Density" and "Walkable" is always their mantra. Not everyone wants to fucking walk for everything.
They don’t like tailgating because it eats into their profits. No pun. Why would we spend money on food and beer when I can do it in the parking lot. Tailgating is organic and forcing commercialization and consumerism on fans is not.
colt one urban planners wants every city to be like New York or San Francisco so it can attract the young working millennials who are looking for jobs in those areas.
this is exactly what the Baltimore Orioles did with Camden Yards, they integrated Oriole Park into Downtown Baltimore. Built restaurants and tourist attractions near it. It is the best stadium in the MLB
This is what Baltimore is great at. Architecture. The stadium blends in with the rowhouses nearby for the natural feel and has easy access to the light rail to take you further into the city. Much better than Memorial Stadium I agree that Camden yards is better than even Fenway
That's not exactly what they are referring to. Many stadiums are built around shopping and night life (or vice versa). They are referring to the stadium itself. When you shop and eat on non-game days in Baltimore, you use the area AROUND the stadium. These guys are trying to make the shopping and restaurants part of the stadium itself so that the people who actually own the stadium can be part of the profits to make it more worth building a billion dollar structure.
Patriots Gillette Stadium has already done some of these adds, the integrated an entire shopping center and hotels around it and im sure it will expand to more stores and more apartments/lofts in the future.but no....no one is dumb enough to build a SB venue that will only house 30,000 fans tops, wtf.....
acquired immunity the NFL is becoming pathetic in seating. Max of maybe thirty thousand in new stadiums. But then look at college. 105,000 SEATS! Pathetic! The NFL needs to build stadiums with college like seating! Forty thousand compared to 105,000 is pathetic, I'm sorry, but it is true.
AmericanGiant100 there are big nfl stadiums, but they are the older ones. Lucas Oil Field sits 70,000. Soilder Field is really old, and seats at least 80,000. Lambaeu is old and sits 70,000.
Most cities also have downtown areas that are dying or dead. Too many condos all over the place. They know it's dying; just trying to grab as much tax money as possible before RIP. Corporate welfare at it's finest.
The nfl is never going to die.. It is becoming a lot less popular I will give you that but the amount of money they are asking for these stadiums is ridiculous and meanwhile that tax payer money could be put to WAY better use like getting kids new school books not ones that are 20-40 years old or supplies stuff that benefits the community in the long run.
It just pisses me off that Real Madrid wants to bring this idea into football…Football stadiums should be made for football fans and not for shopping queens. The same counts for any other sports facilities.
i never understood why Jerry Jones renamed the fairly new Cowboys Stadium(that was a great name IMO)for AT&T stadium? There already 2 major sporting facilities in America called AT&T. SF Giants Ballpark and the Spurs fairly new AT&T arena?
And King keep in mind the Twin Cities real estate is much cheaper than say much of the bigger US cities and regions. Talking about of course NYC/North NJ (Giants and Jets), Dallas/Ft. Worth (The Cowboys current stadium in Arlington, texas)the SF Bay area(49ers) and in a couple of years the new Rams/Chargers stadium in LA (Inglewood.) I do agree that some of these newer NFL stadiums built since around 2004, did not need all of the extra fancy bells and whistles that added at least tens of millions to the cost.
The Green Bay Packers has restaurants allaying it, and even has an outdoor ice skating rink and a man made snow hill for the winter. It's so awesome!!!
Who else loves the classic college football stadiums? Michigan, The Rose bowl, Neyland Stadium, Tiger Stadium, the LA Colosseum, Happy Valley, and many more. Just pure 100,000 fans sitting side by side not distracted by anything. Just pure football and family of fans around you. That’s what we need
Come to Toronto folks!!! A little less futuristic, but really a walk for MLB, NHL, CFL, Toronto FC, bars, plays, parks. This was a random vid I found myself watching and now have a new appreciation for my city!!
Lol all the stadiums & arenas in Minnesota are already doing this. Except MNUFC but atleast they’re building it on a major street with well known restaurants around it & not to far from DinkyTown.
I think a majority of the people and the comments here are ignorant to the overall economic burdens that fall on the local taxpayers who fund new stadiums. Different stadiums will of course have different circumstances (i.e. is the stadium downtown or near populated areas with local restaurants/bars?) but will the economic impact eventually repay its investment? The average cost of the last three mega stadiums (US Bank Stadium/AT&T Stadium/Mercedes-Benz Stadium) all hover around the $1 Billion mark give or take. Annual maintenance costs in the millions easily...Think about that for a second. Tax payers probably fork over a decent percentage: maybe half or so. With a sport that plays 10 games a season (2 pre-season games included - not including playoffs) and a dozen or so concerts maybe annually, it could easily take multiple decades at the point to probably break even. All you can hope for is that your team is a playoff team and Super Bowl contender to help ease that burden. It's been widely covered for sometime now that mega stadiums are financial/investment losers for everyone except for the NFL and the team owners.
First Class Citizen The makers of the article are ignorant to economics. Basic economics states you don't invest to build somethinf that wont return the investment. More then juat football games are held in a stadium as concerts and other events are too therefore its used year round as a revenue source.
Vincent Salamatino yeah I get you. Show me a pro football stadium that has a major event week in and week out outside of football season and I'll buy your argument
The 3 stadiums you mentioned are in markets that needed to upgrade their stadium. Atlanta in one end invested in a new baseball stadium, renovating the basketball arena, and converted the old Turner field to Georgia State football stadiums. Cities that invest in stadiums improve the overall city. Denver is one example transforming its downtown after building Coors field, Pepsi Arena, and the current Bronco stadium. Metropolis areas are high markets and a lot of business and tourism is done in those areas. Now for mid to small market NFL teams, $1 billion dollar stadium wouldn't be a good investment. Buffalo Bills is due for a new stadium and probably move to a vacant market (St Louis, San Diego, Oakland, Orlando) to have there stadium built.
I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. They do have a choice. No city ever wants to lose a sports franchise for many various reasons. Think of all the teams in the past few decades and have moved to another city. It usually always comes down to stadium economics (either massive renovations or a new stadium). In some cases, city councilmen will not even let a proposal come forward to let the voters choose because they see economic downfall. That leaves teams with a door open (after the fulfillment of their contract terms) to move to another city. CASE IN POINT: the recent moves from the Rams, Chargers, and soon to be Raiders were all in the same situation. Their respective cities (St. Louis, San Diego and Oakland) didn't want to help build a new stadium combined with lackluster support from the community gave way to these franchises looking for new homes.
Here's the thing, this idea was attempted previously in Hartford, CT - Originally known as the Civic Center, it's now the XL Center. There are multiple entrances from a shopping mall that's seen less foot traffic over the years.
Abu Dhabi has something like this to support their F1 area - it's a whole neighborhood surrounding the track, used year round by tourists and residents, bars, restaurants, beaches.
Ok I like the idea of adapting the Stadium so that it's better for the whole community and not just the team, but don't compromise the stadium itself so that a KFC can sit above it, especially if it only seats 20,000
4 years ago: I don't think the Rams will be able to stay because they don't have a stadium. Now: They're making a huge ass stadium with a jumbotron around the stadium!
There is another way to reduce the foot print of a stadium - build it underground. Underground parking and huge concourses to get people to and from the stadium, while above can be parks and green belts with mixed use buildings. Just a crazy idea.
Sounds like taxer payer money to pay for rich people apartments and businesses. The restaurant, bar and shopping is terrible. These stores will be flooded with people
Sounds like they're describing Little Caesar's Arena in Detroit ("part of the downtown community," "bars and restaurants open on other days of the week [not just gameday]," "a walkable public square"). Talk about a venue integrated into the community, LCA is the first in the new wave of venues.
Just simplify it, in dallas they have so much to do in the stadium they forget to watch the game, but in new york the place is like a parking garage but you focus on the game
Just a suggestion: look at Munich 1972 Olimpic arena. It is beautifully integrated in a public park. If you abandon the idea of privatization, the stadium becomes integrated and woven into the city. But, good luck, USA.
The no roof thing is an issue, yeah some teams play with rain and all but the super bowl will best be played in an indoor arena in which weather cannot affect the game...
You guys talk about NFL stadiums etc and at 01:40 there's a video of the concept of the new AS ROMA stadium. A team that plays football (soccer) in Rome, in Italy..
Dylan Herrick this video is an ad for the company populous. That's how advertisers do things nowadays because people dislike knowing they're being advertised to directly. It's called gurellia advertisement, they get publications like SI to create shit like this parading as real content. Theyre trying to generate interest in the firm with videos like this so they can hopefully get more contracts. The idea itself is awful and the nfl wouldn't go for it at all. If they're at the point where theyre forced to make drastic cuts to everything that they have to start building these then the game itself would be in a terrible situation and theyd have bigger problems than building a new stadium 1) if they have money and political pull not to build these then they wont because they dont want to 2) if theyre hurting in terms of money and political pull so much that they have to build one of these (if they wanted a new stadium) then cutbacks and penny pinching would just have the franchise suck it up and keep playing in their old stadium You build a stadium when you have a lot of excess money. You build this type of stadium when you're hurting for money. If you're hurting for money then building a stadium is far down your list on what should be done The people who made this video know this, but they basically got you to watch a 6 min ad for an architecture firm
i like the sunken stadium, if you could layer rows like the field in arizona, the whole field is retractable, if tbere is a way to do a retractable top covering the stadium underneath, yet still being able to use the surface area when its covered it could work.. but only if theres a way to seat 80, 000
In St. Louis after the financial collapse in 2008, funding ran out for the proposed "Ballpark Village" that was to create a downtown urban center not dissimilar to what is discussed in this video. Now 12 years after the park opened in 2006, we have a Ballpark Village...well, sort of. The project for total immersion has been broken into phases, and there are several phases left before its completed. When completed, the parking space that currently occupies the location of the former stadium will be high rise condos, entertainment venues, shopping centers, etc. The biggest problem the city is facing? Well....no one wants to go downtown, unless its to see the Cardinals, then its back to the safe and sound suburbs. People in general, just don't feel safe downtown. Most people will tell you, after a game, you don't want to stick around.
Lol the way that guy thinks about a stadium that is the town reminds me of the Monaco GP, road course for a weekend, city streets and exotic car hub of the world for the rest of the year.
The problem with this concept of restaurants and office buildings surrounding the field is that you are discouraging people from buying tickets to see the actual game. All these different entertainment venues like clubs and restaurants need to be inside the stadium. Essentially people always need to buy tickets for the game. You cannot simply sit in your office building and watch the game.
If you can integrate football, baseball, basketball, soccer, etc., and have the venue look and function like it was meant to be used for each purpose, using modular seating, movable stands, etc. -- you've got it made. It doesn't have to look like the Taj Mahal. Function is more important. It can look industrial, it can look basic, but the form must follow function.
If they could make the stadium.. If not less expensive but at least more profitability, it might be a good idea. But the thought of 20-40k seats is stupid. They would need to figure out how to make it perhaps a 40k stadium that has the ability to turn into a 80k stadium when needed that is a more viable option as far as I see it.
Nick Sacco super bowl 100 wont be played. The league would've folded by then due to declining viewer numbers and a drastically reduced talent pool because no parent with half a brain would let their kids play football A study out of BC found that, of 111 nfl players brains examined, 110 showed signs of CTE. Nooope, no amount of money is worth giving yourself possible brain damage.
Stopreadingmyusername um it's fun dumbass and you have a chance to make millions, I'd rather have a chance at brain damage and be loaded for life than not, plus it's fun
If you want every city to have a 20-30k capacity stadium, American football needs to have a serious look at adding Promotion/ Relegation like soccer in Europe. The FA is in charge of teams all the way down to the local park Sunday league team. The NFL wont lose their power, and they get to make more money from it. It'd be a great way to mesh the semi pro teams to the pro teams so they aren't so focused on the draft/ college aspect.
What you need is a stadium that doesn't only cater to 8 home NFL games per year... And 10-15 concerts per year. It has to be used by as many events as possible... Colleges, High Schools, and many other events could all be housed there, ALL THE TIME.
I’m probably just confused. If you have a stadium in the middle of that area and it’s all open to the public all week and you’re at let’s say a mall or whatever and you can easily watch the game from there and it’s a great view and everything. How do ticket sales work? Would I have to pay just to enter that town-esq place?
I love that about the Parken Stadium in Copenhagen. It’s not that big but it’s modern and nearby downtown Copenhagen, next to a park where you can relax and drink your beer before the football (you’d probably call it „soccer“) game and there’s also a pub built into the stadium! Lot’s of bars and restaurants are in the area! So lovely! But I don’t need to come to the stadium by ship. And I don’t need shops in a stadium except it is a fanshop. Football should still be football. American football should still be american football. Baseball should still be baseball.
This is a great idea. Having building that double as stadiums benefits the economy and in theory, gives back to the community. Why not? If it paid for with our money then yeah, I wanna be able to go to it year round. Madison Square Garden is a perfect example of his. You'd never even know it's there. Not only is it a central point for transit in New York City, it's also a stadium, and an office building. Probably even more. Great idea, I wanna see it happen. I don't wanna see stadiums empty in the off season with the exception of the few stadium tour groups.
The answer is simple: Stadiums, and teams, need to make money off tickets for each seat. Having that "ring" of shops, buildings, offices, restaurants, etc., all within viewing distance of a field will likely diminish the sales of a ticket for a football game. And only 20,000 seats? 30,000 seats?? Yeah, ok...
Only 20 to 30 thousands seats for a Super Bowl stadium.... Yeah ok.
They're talking about the function of newer stadiums in the next 20-30 years. Modern stadiums already have other functions and they want to increase the functions for the non-sports fan.
wolfpackwarriors xxcvhhkl
GucciArzola think about what that does to ticket price though
yeah but smaller arena better experience. Look at fenway park
they said 30-40,000 seats sunk into the ground plus renovating the office towers around it to seat 80,000. for this first stadium like this it'd be ok. everything after though would seat well over 100,000.
Now, stadiums are multi-purpose. The new falcons stadium obviously has the falcons, but it also has the new soccer team, college football at the beginning and end of each season, final fours, concerts, monster jam, etc. It won't be open all of the time, but it will be open a lot.
Wesley Modling our football teams need to do what european football teams do. Our way is inefficient
Why let's take Ford Field in Detroit. Yes the people paid for it. So you want to know who owns the Stadium not the team. The people that own it are Detroit/Wayne County. Yeah they want a cut of the ticket sells that's how they get there cut.
Wesley Modling BROTHERHOOD UNITED!!!
Delain124 and if that happens then the owner will just move the team from Detroit. If you dare to threaten the owners profits they will just leave the town. If they can't have all the money then no one can have the money, that's the way it works.
Pretty much every stadium in Australia is multi purpose. Always being used for different sports and concerts ect.
Stop asking the tax payers to pay for these monstrosities. They never see any of the profits, and you have the audacity to charge them 12 dollars for a beer.
JoesTheShow They do see the profits, through the boom in the economy. If the stadium wasn't there, then ~80,000 less would be around weekly. That means those people aren't buying food from restaurants, staying in hotels, or spending money, which all stimulate the economy. The people do see the profits, just not directly.
OP4 Kub the issue is the fact that it's only during football season is when you will theoretically see these gains in the economy. And while you may see a slight profit during that time it won't make a dent in terms the tax costs just to maintain the damn thing. The City owning the stadium means they have to maintain the stadium. It's like hosting the Olympics, great idea at the time and a short term gain, but in the long term it fucks you over big time
Eli Gulley It doesn't matter that the people are only their for football season. It's not like those hotels and restaurants close when it isn't football season. The jobs are still there, and just because they aren't still benefiting AS much as compared to the football season, they still are benefiting.
Drew Lowe Wish everyone else would follow.
They called "seasonal jobs" for a reason OP$. Other than NFL/College Football and every 5-10 years if in regular rotations like the Super Bowl or NCAA Final Four(College Basketball)or College Football Championship game)season most of those employees don't work year round. Its same concept as say Baseball only stadiums or theme parks like 6 flags.
In case like Cowboys AT& T Stadium and Mercedes Stadium those mega facilities can work since both the North Texas(Dallas area) and Atlanta are major US cities with huge international airports. However for mid size or smaller NFL cities, a 90,000 seat stadium is dumb and in this age of virtual reality TV/Internet/Smart Phone, dumb.
all stadium should be privately financial
One of the reasons why the SF Giants fans fill AT&T Park every single night despite a losing season. Stadium was entirely privately financed by the SF Giants baseball organization. Same is true with the new Golden State Warriors arena that being built just down the road from A&T Park. Privately financed.
the more the better
Matt Smith Abe Pollin built both the Capital Center in Landover and the Capital One Arena in downtown Washington with private financing.
Luke Ross WHY FINANCE PRIVATELY WHEN YOU CAN DEMAND PUBLIC FUNDING BY THREATENING TO MOVE THE TEAM!? YOU'RE A MORON.
Super Bowl 100: and the Browns still haven't made it to one
But they'll have drafted yet another QB and they'll be looking to rebuild. SB 102 will be their year.
And my Bills probably will not have seen the postseason😂😂😭😭
and will have about 102 new qbs
intsoccersuperstar1 Tom Brady will throwing touchdowns from a wheel chair.
THEY MISSED UT THEN, NFL IS DEAD... A LIBERAL TRASH HEAP...
the solution to not spending 1 billion? spend 10 billion!
mojoriden now someone is thinking!
Hell yeah!! Murrica bitches!!
Yeah
"We want the stadiums to be multipurpose"
St. Louis: Ok here is a dome for the Rams that can also do concerts, March Madness, Monster Truck events, conventions and more!
"No not like that"
Davis Winn that stadium sucks bruh
@@yalar47 tell that to wwe bc they’re hosting the rumble there
Football stadiums are already used for many events.. I live in Colorado and Sports Authority Field has events all year. Obviously we have the Broncos, but we also have the Outlaws (lacrosse), college football games, and high school football playoffs. Also, there are concerts played there almost every week during the summer.
I absolutely hate the whole idea. And I think a lot of people will agree
Aaron Archuletta because if you can't draw more than 30,000 people you don't deserve a team
Derek Vandyke Stadiums should hold at least 1 million people at a time
Derek Vandyke i like the concept but i feel like theres no way to get it to work with so much less seats
Mustache Cash Dash you make it 10 stories high but you make them long as hell. 250k on each side minimum so 25,000 vertically. Dubai is already building 1
Stephano Dubai will never have a Superbowl or sport play in that stadium a waste of money.
Oh well looks like the avg Joe won't be going to the games anymore.
Greg Clarke its sad tho more and more only elites can afford to go to games and packers season tickets people have been on the waiting list their whole life's in their 30s lterallyt when a baby is born in green bay their parents automatically put them on the season ticket list so maybe one day on their kids 30s they can get the season ticket
Stop bullshitting. You can get tickets on the secondary market for dirt cheap.
I live in Orlando where the Amway Center, MLS soccer stadium, and Citrus Bowl were built (with TDT revenues) to dump into downtown and bring revenue to the city. After the games everyone walks straight to their cars and gets the hell out because the 3 complexes were built on the black side of the highway.
Freeway overpass is the #1 killer of urban development
UCF student here, can confirm
atonewiththedust makes sense
@@LuongoTHEmachine can confirm, green bay has so many that if you want to travel even a mile into town, it would have to be by car.
My whole life as I would sit in Arrowhead Stadium watching my beloved Chiefs I always thought to myself, "Man, you know what would make this experience so much better? If I could bring my private yacht into the stadium with me" Thank you populous and Sports Illustrated, now I know I will not have to wait much longer.
I’ve started to see this in my hometown. The Columbia Fireflies (Low-A Mets team) play here in a new stadium that was built just a few years ago. It is open to the public when there aren’t games going on - plus it has offices for other businesses within the stadium, conference rooms, hosts concerts, special events, and space that shops/restaurants can rent out. It’s also a pretty nice place to see a baseball game for cheap (although the baseball isn’t the best being Low-A haha)
Interesting video. My question is that the architects don't seem to figure the massive security risks that these open square, open public stadiums would have into the equation.
Two events a year? Do they realize how many hundreds of baseball games there are a year? That's just ONE sport.
Plus if it's integrated into the city where would you tailgate
Exactly. This is purely the ideology of urbanist twats. They despise cars, and obsessively use the term "suburban" as derision. "Density" and "Walkable" is always their mantra. Not everyone wants to fucking walk for everything.
Tailgates are for morons
They don’t like tailgating because it eats into their profits. No pun. Why would we spend money on food and beer when I can do it in the parking lot. Tailgating is organic and forcing commercialization and consumerism on fans is not.
@@CharlieND you are for morons.
colt one urban planners wants every city to be like New York or San Francisco so it can attract the young working millennials who are looking for jobs in those areas.
this is exactly what the Baltimore Orioles did with Camden Yards, they integrated Oriole Park into Downtown Baltimore. Built restaurants and tourist attractions near it. It is the best stadium in the MLB
This is what Baltimore is great at. Architecture. The stadium blends in with the rowhouses nearby for the natural feel and has easy access to the light rail to take you further into the city. Much better than Memorial Stadium I agree that Camden yards is better than even Fenway
Grover Barham too bad Baltimore a shithole
PNC Park is
Grover Barham i go all the time....I live in cecil county maryland ahich is very close so i go to football and baseba games 😄😄
That's not exactly what they are referring to. Many stadiums are built around shopping and night life (or vice versa). They are referring to the stadium itself. When you shop and eat on non-game days in Baltimore, you use the area AROUND the stadium. These guys are trying to make the shopping and restaurants part of the stadium itself so that the people who actually own the stadium can be part of the profits to make it more worth building a billion dollar structure.
If I could go to a bar or restaurant or some upper walkway and see the game from there, why would I buy a ticket? And a 40k seating capacity is small.
@alfred selle Calls people stupid, misspells "their".
Patriots Gillette Stadium has already done some of these adds, the integrated an entire shopping center and hotels around it and im sure it will expand to more stores and more apartments/lofts in the future.but no....no one is dumb enough to build a SB venue that will only house 30,000 fans tops, wtf.....
acquired immunity the NFL is becoming pathetic in seating. Max of maybe thirty thousand in new stadiums. But then look at college. 105,000 SEATS! Pathetic! The NFL needs to build stadiums with college like seating! Forty thousand compared to 105,000 is pathetic, I'm sorry, but it is true.
What? The largest NFL stadiums hold 80,000 plus standing room!
colleges also use bench seating to squish more people in the same spot and they are usually not as high end as NFL stadiums.
Or how about in smaller or mid market/cities 50-60K and if they in mix to host a super bowl and FIFA World Cup game expand by 5,000-10,000 to 70k?
AmericanGiant100 there are big nfl stadiums, but they are the older ones. Lucas Oil Field sits 70,000. Soilder Field is really old, and seats at least 80,000. Lambaeu is old and sits 70,000.
I like the idea of a stadium being integrated with the surrounding area. I'd imagine no owner would want a 20-30 thousand seat stadium ever though.
Malls are dead and the NFL is dying. Oh I got an idea, let's combine malls and stadiums! LOL
Most cities also have downtown areas that are dying or dead. Too many condos all over the place. They know it's dying; just trying to grab as much tax money as possible before RIP. Corporate welfare at it's finest.
AKA the Hartford Civic Center.
It was literally an arena in a mall
The nfl is never going to die.. It is becoming a lot less popular I will give you that but the amount of money they are asking for these stadiums is ridiculous and meanwhile that tax payer money could be put to WAY better use like getting kids new school books not ones that are 20-40 years old or supplies stuff that benefits the community in the long run.
Ia •_• still have my whalers gear
It just pisses me off that Real Madrid wants to bring this idea into football…Football stadiums should be made for football fans and not for shopping queens. The same counts for any other sports facilities.
AT&T, U.S. Bank and now Mercedes Benz Stadium... All are massive and cost over a billion dollars so they're thinking is invalid really.
i never understood why Jerry Jones renamed the fairly new Cowboys Stadium(that was a great name IMO)for AT&T stadium? There already 2 major sporting facilities in America called AT&T. SF Giants Ballpark and the Spurs fairly new AT&T arena?
AmericanGiant100 because at and t is a major sponsor for the cowboys and they paid to have their name on the stadium. Jerry just wants more miney
Tony Vang also the Vikings staduin cost less then a billion and it looks nice as fuck
And King keep in mind the Twin Cities real estate is much cheaper than say much of the bigger US cities and regions. Talking about of course NYC/North NJ (Giants and Jets), Dallas/Ft. Worth (The Cowboys current stadium in Arlington, texas)the SF Bay area(49ers) and in a couple of years the new Rams/Chargers stadium in LA (Inglewood.)
I do agree that some of these newer NFL stadiums built since around 2004, did not need all of the extra fancy bells and whistles that added at least tens of millions to the cost.
dont forget Chicago where the real estate is very tight.
Integrating stadiums into a public place is a great concept but too much accessibility may open up to vulnerability to heinous/violence acts.
The Green Bay Packers has restaurants allaying it, and even has an outdoor ice skating rink and a man made snow hill for the winter. It's so awesome!!!
Who else loves the classic college football stadiums? Michigan, The Rose bowl, Neyland Stadium, Tiger Stadium, the LA Colosseum, Happy Valley, and many more. Just pure 100,000 fans sitting side by side not distracted by anything. Just pure football and family of fans around you. That’s what we need
Come to Toronto folks!!! A little less futuristic, but really a walk for MLB, NHL, CFL, Toronto FC, bars, plays, parks.
This was a random vid I found myself watching and now have a new appreciation for my city!!
what a pathetic idea. whats the point in this? 20-30 thousand seats? how stupid
Tell that to the Chargers
Nicholas Pesch the Chargers rent doing it by choice. Moment they can they r moving to the giant Inglewood stadium
Matt Malloy DUBAI MAKING A BASKETBALL STADIUM THAT CAN HOLD 1 MILLIOK PEOPLE
^ do they put 3 people per seat and have people stacked on top? lol
FordFalcon1962nBlue What a stupid question
FIFA should do this, it will be great for countries like Brazil and SA who economically affected after building these big stadiums
look at Oriole Park at Camden Yards the stadium that changed baseball
Lol all the stadiums & arenas in Minnesota are already doing this. Except MNUFC but atleast they’re building it on a major street with well known restaurants around it & not to far from DinkyTown.
I think a majority of the people and the comments here are ignorant to the overall economic burdens that fall on the local taxpayers who fund new stadiums. Different stadiums will of course have different circumstances (i.e. is the stadium downtown or near populated areas with local restaurants/bars?) but will the economic impact eventually repay its investment? The average cost of the last three mega stadiums (US Bank Stadium/AT&T Stadium/Mercedes-Benz Stadium) all hover around the $1 Billion mark give or take. Annual maintenance costs in the millions easily...Think about that for a second. Tax payers probably fork over a decent percentage: maybe half or so. With a sport that plays 10 games a season (2 pre-season games included - not including playoffs) and a dozen or so concerts maybe annually, it could easily take multiple decades at the point to probably break even. All you can hope for is that your team is a playoff team and Super Bowl contender to help ease that burden. It's been widely covered for sometime now that mega stadiums are financial/investment losers for everyone except for the NFL and the team owners.
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The makers of the article are ignorant to economics. Basic economics states you don't invest to build somethinf that wont return the investment. More then juat football games are held in a stadium as concerts and other events are too therefore its used year round as a revenue source.
Vincent Salamatino yeah I get you. Show me a pro football stadium that has a major event week in and week out outside of football season and I'll buy your argument
The 3 stadiums you mentioned are in markets that needed to upgrade their stadium. Atlanta in one end invested in a new baseball stadium, renovating the basketball arena, and converted the old Turner field to Georgia State football stadiums. Cities that invest in stadiums improve the overall city. Denver is one example transforming its downtown after building Coors field, Pepsi Arena, and the current Bronco stadium. Metropolis areas are high markets and a lot of business and tourism is done in those areas. Now for mid to small market NFL teams, $1 billion dollar stadium wouldn't be a good investment. Buffalo Bills is due for a new stadium and probably move to a vacant market (St Louis, San Diego, Oakland, Orlando) to have there stadium built.
You're acting like the city doesn't have a choice in this matter lol
I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. They do have a choice. No city ever wants to lose a sports franchise for many various reasons. Think of all the teams in the past few decades and have moved to another city. It usually always comes down to stadium economics (either massive renovations or a new stadium). In some cases, city councilmen will not even let a proposal come forward to let the voters choose because they see economic downfall. That leaves teams with a door open (after the fulfillment of their contract terms) to move to another city. CASE IN POINT: the recent moves from the Rams, Chargers, and soon to be Raiders were all in the same situation. Their respective cities (St. Louis, San Diego and Oakland) didn't want to help build a new stadium combined with lackluster support from the community gave way to these franchises looking for new homes.
Here's the thing, this idea was attempted previously in Hartford, CT - Originally known as the Civic Center, it's now the XL Center. There are multiple entrances from a shopping mall that's seen less foot traffic over the years.
Abu Dhabi has something like this to support their F1 area - it's a whole neighborhood surrounding the track, used year round by tourists and residents, bars, restaurants, beaches.
Ok I like the idea of adapting the Stadium so that it's better for the whole community and not just the team, but don't compromise the stadium itself so that a KFC can sit above it, especially if it only seats 20,000
Haha did you see the stands for the LaC and LaR games in week 1? Pathetic. LA didn't even want one team let alone two.
4 years ago: I don't think the Rams will be able to stay because they don't have a stadium.
Now: They're making a huge ass stadium with a jumbotron around the stadium!
And we all know at this rate Tom Brady is going to be the Super Bowl 100 MVP.
Ethan P. 😂🐐
tom brady gonna be holding a cane by the time of super bowl 100
There is another way to reduce the foot print of a stadium - build it underground. Underground parking and huge concourses to get people to and from the stadium, while above can be parks and green belts with mixed use buildings. Just a crazy idea.
I love how it took so many people to "think up" this idea when the Roman's had coliseums that actually were like this
Sounds like taxer payer money to pay for rich people apartments and businesses. The restaurant, bar and shopping is terrible. These stores will be flooded with people
Atlanta got 2 stadiums in 1 yr, Mercedes-Benz Stadium for $1.6 billion and Suntrust Park for $1.1 billion.
Sounds like they're describing Little Caesar's Arena in Detroit ("part of the downtown community," "bars and restaurants open on other days of the week [not just gameday]," "a walkable public square"). Talk about a venue integrated into the community, LCA is the first in the new wave of venues.
David L. Or suntrust park
And guess who the owners are Downtown Development Authority. In other words the City owns it.
Levis stadium was ahead of it's time. The heat and sun issue makes it so only 20-30 thousand of its seats are usable.
Guy that starts talking at 2:14 sounds like Sheldon Cooper
Little ceasers arena in downtown detroit is a mall open 7 days a week, ive been there a few times even tho i havent seen a redwings or pistons game
Just simplify it, in dallas they have so much to do in the stadium they forget to watch the game, but in new york the place is like a parking garage but you focus on the game
Just a suggestion: look at Munich 1972 Olimpic arena. It is beautifully integrated in a public park. If you abandon the idea of privatization, the stadium becomes integrated and woven into the city. But, good luck, USA.
Us bank stadium is down town Minneapolis. Really great spot!
Excellent ideas!!
My favorites stadiums are:
AT&T Park
AT&T stadium
Clandestick Park
Met-Life stadium
Yankee stadium
I LOVE THE BIG PACKED STADIUMS ALL YEAR ROUND
The no roof thing is an issue, yeah some teams play with rain and all but the super bowl will best be played in an indoor arena in which weather cannot affect the game...
You guys talk about NFL stadiums etc and at 01:40 there's a video of the concept of the new AS ROMA stadium. A team that plays football (soccer) in Rome, in Italy..
5:20 great idea
These people always make stupid ideas
You. You're stupid. Now stop asking dumb questions.
tbirdpunk Why? Why are they dumb? They just wanted an answer...
Dylan Herrick this video is an ad for the company populous. That's how advertisers do things nowadays because people dislike knowing they're being advertised to directly. It's called gurellia advertisement, they get publications like SI to create shit like this parading as real content. Theyre trying to generate interest in the firm with videos like this so they can hopefully get more contracts.
The idea itself is awful and the nfl wouldn't go for it at all. If they're at the point where theyre forced to make drastic cuts to everything that they have to start building these then the game itself would be in a terrible situation and theyd have bigger problems than building a new stadium
1) if they have money and political pull not to build these then they wont because they dont want to
2) if theyre hurting in terms of money and political pull so much that they have to build one of these (if they wanted a new stadium) then cutbacks and penny pinching would just have the franchise suck it up and keep playing in their old stadium
You build a stadium when you have a lot of excess money. You build this type of stadium when you're hurting for money. If you're hurting for money then building a stadium is far down your list on what should be done
The people who made this video know this, but they basically got you to watch a 6 min ad for an architecture firm
Won't ever work... can't have people who did not pay just able to watch while their shopping.
Take a look at the safe standing model used in Germany. Would be great for increasing attendance.
This poses an incredible security risk
Actually Mercedes Benz stadium is always open to people that pay for a tour of the whole thing
That’s true for almost every stadium
i like the sunken stadium, if you could layer rows like the field in arizona, the whole field is retractable, if tbere is a way to do a retractable top covering the stadium underneath, yet still being able to use the surface area when its covered it could work.. but only if theres a way to seat 80, 000
This concept sounds a lot like what they tried with Little Caesars Arena in Detroit. Very cool.
This is basically what they did in Detroit with the red wings new arena. It's really nice down there.
Since this video it's interesting to see how the plan for LASED is integrated into Los Angeles. Nearly on point exact.
5.43 is the Melbourne Cricket Ground circa 1854.
NFL has a lot of demand for huge oval playing fields with cricket pitches in the middle?
I've watched this sooo many time
In St. Louis after the financial collapse in 2008, funding ran out for the proposed "Ballpark Village" that was to create a downtown urban center not dissimilar to what is discussed in this video. Now 12 years after the park opened in 2006, we have a Ballpark Village...well, sort of. The project for total immersion has been broken into phases, and there are several phases left before its completed. When completed, the parking space that currently occupies the location of the former stadium will be high rise condos, entertainment venues, shopping centers, etc. The biggest problem the city is facing? Well....no one wants to go downtown, unless its to see the Cardinals, then its back to the safe and sound suburbs. People in general, just don't feel safe downtown. Most people will tell you, after a game, you don't want to stick around.
you know tom brady is gonna play in super bowl 100 and he's going to be the MVP but he's gonna play while riding a wheelchair, , let that sink in
Lol the way that guy thinks about a stadium that is the town reminds me of the Monaco GP, road course for a weekend, city streets and exotic car hub of the world for the rest of the year.
The problem with this concept of restaurants and office buildings surrounding the field is that you are discouraging people from buying tickets to see the actual game. All these different entertainment venues like clubs and restaurants need to be inside the stadium. Essentially people always need to buy tickets for the game. You cannot simply sit in your office building and watch the game.
that sunken stadium idea is brilliant
If you can integrate football, baseball, basketball, soccer, etc., and have the venue look and function like it was meant to be used for each purpose, using modular seating, movable stands, etc. -- you've got it made. It doesn't have to look like the Taj Mahal. Function is more important. It can look industrial, it can look basic, but the form must follow function.
If they could make the stadium.. If not less expensive but at least more profitability, it might be a good idea. But the thought of 20-40k seats is stupid.
They would need to figure out how to make it perhaps a 40k stadium that has the ability to turn into a 80k stadium when needed that is a more viable option as far as I see it.
John Edvards honestly I think stadiums should just start at 100k plus now...
Everyone knows Super Bowl 100 will be played either on the moon or a planet
Nick Sacco Yeah no duh, it'll be played on Earth, which is a planet....
Nick Sacco super bowl 100 wont be played. The league would've folded by then due to declining viewer numbers and a drastically reduced talent pool because no parent with half a brain would let their kids play football
A study out of BC found that, of 111 nfl players brains examined, 110 showed signs of CTE. Nooope, no amount of money is worth giving yourself possible brain damage.
Stopreadingmyusername Exactly, someone gets it.
Stopreadingmyusername um it's fun dumbass and you have a chance to make millions, I'd rather have a chance at brain damage and be loaded for life than not, plus it's fun
Stopreadingmyusername and their will be lots of talent since smart parents want their children to have fun and make money doing what they enjoy
3:08 sounds like a town square that’s also a horse track not a horse track that’s also a town square
They have done this in Monte Carlo for the Monaco Grand Prix for many years, so it is possible.
This is very much like how marathons turn cities into sporting venues for a few hours once a year. An interesting idea.
So we don't have to pay for tickets anymore right?
If you want every city to have a 20-30k capacity stadium, American football needs to have a serious look at adding Promotion/ Relegation like soccer in Europe. The FA is in charge of teams all the way down to the local park Sunday league team. The NFL wont lose their power, and they get to make more money from it. It'd be a great way to mesh the semi pro teams to the pro teams so they aren't so focused on the draft/ college aspect.
A "gathering place and central social place for people to come again"?
So make them free to enter and use. Like a park.
I like how they are saying 20 - 30 thousand seats but Alabama football games sell out almost every time in a 100,000+ stadium
They highlight the horse race where only about 400 people right on the edges can even see the event... LOL
What you need is a stadium that doesn't only cater to 8 home NFL games per year... And 10-15 concerts per year. It has to be used by as many events as possible... Colleges, High Schools, and many other events could all be housed there, ALL THE TIME.
And the new Banc of California Stadium for the LAFC had these exact concepts built in!
I’m probably just confused. If you have a stadium in the middle of that area and it’s all open to the public all week and you’re at let’s say a mall or whatever and you can easily watch the game from there and it’s a great view and everything. How do ticket sales work? Would I have to pay just to enter that town-esq place?
As much as NFL stadiums cost and how big they are its crazy that alot of college football stadiums have more seating capacity then NFL stadiums.
i want a stadium that can hold the population of the world. that would be cool
King Jibble Ok. Let me know if you have an idea on how to make a stadium that will hold OVER 7 BILLION PEOPLE
It would have to take up the whole world and add seats to every kid who's born every other second
King Jibble that stadium is already here it's call planet Earth
it would only take 4 years to get a parking spot
King Jibble Honestly it is possible (not to build), but would be uncomfortable
Perth stadium (optus stadium) best stadium in the world , bars,parkland,casino,river all bear by . 60K seats ,opened this year
I always thought it would be cool if Hawaii and Alaska had NFL teams
I love that about the Parken Stadium in Copenhagen. It’s not that big but it’s modern and nearby downtown Copenhagen, next to a park where you can relax and drink your beer before the football (you’d probably call it „soccer“) game and there’s also a pub built into the stadium! Lot’s of bars and restaurants are in the area! So lovely!
But I don’t need to come to the stadium by ship. And I don’t need shops in a stadium except it is a fanshop. Football should still be football. American football should still be american football. Baseball should still be baseball.
This is a great idea. Having building that double as stadiums benefits the economy and in theory, gives back to the community. Why not? If it paid for with our money then yeah, I wanna be able to go to it year round. Madison Square Garden is a perfect example of his. You'd never even know it's there. Not only is it a central point for transit in New York City, it's also a stadium, and an office building. Probably even more. Great idea, I wanna see it happen. I don't wanna see stadiums empty in the off season with the exception of the few stadium tour groups.
nice product placement vid
5:22 good idea but wouldn’t work because nfl, mlb, premier league wouldn’t want people to watch the game live without paying to see it
San Antonio should hire you to redo the Alamodome
We’ve heard this story before. Multi purpose stadiums? How did that work?
This is why I partly respect soccer leagues in Europe. You don't need a fancy stadium to cheer for your team.
I don’t see how security could be properly put in place if the stadium is entirely open to the public
Cool idea if they can get more seating
With outrageous ticket prices smh
Do more videos like this please
The answer is simple:
Stadiums, and teams, need to make money off tickets for each seat.
Having that "ring" of shops, buildings, offices, restaurants, etc., all within viewing distance of a field will likely diminish the sales of a ticket for a football game.
And only 20,000 seats? 30,000 seats?? Yeah, ok...