I think Ellie convinced herself her blood could heal him. It's not unusual for kids and teens to get swept up into all sorts of beliefs and ideas, and she so desperately wished it was true.
*Spoiler* I think this new addition also continues the original game's narrative that Ellie was very much willing to go through the surgery at the end. She very much wanted all of this not been for nothing with her sacrifice, which leads to that melancholy standoff with her and Joel asking about the truth.
And her brother was big on leading through forgiveness and acceptance, which is why people loved him. But she rejected his view, and people mistook her for his spiritual successor of sorts, in the end their collective quest for vengeance and her specific one lead to everyone's death as the infected swarm the QZ. She lead the revolt that liberated the QZ, but Pierce (Tommy's voice actor) was wrong to say her brother didn't accomplish anything, but that she did. It was their love and admiration for him that inspired the revolt.
Everyone watching this thinking Kathleen's revenge is for nothing will be in an interesting spot when part 2 happens. Without spoiling anything, revenge is the main theme..
It is fucked out but again… I kind of get it? Like she meant that Sam was dying anyway naturally of an illness, he wasn’t going to die because of someone else. Henry got a good man who meant a lot to so many people as the leader of the resistance killed to save his brother who was sick. Micheal was healthy and wasn’t dying, he got killed because someone else made a selfish decision. Yes Sam is a kid and we would all rather him survive but it’s true, Michael overall was more important to way more people to save, because he was actually doing things to get people out and away from their horrible situation of r*pe and torture. He was actively working on putting a stop to it. I know it’s easy to say that Kathleen sounds so hypocritical and insane but tbh… it’s not the same situation. Yes she was blinded by revenge but even Henry never said that she was going too far, he understood he did something horrible and felt that guilt but all he wanted was Sam’s safety
You could also say Henry getting Michael killed is the cause of it all. Because if he'd waited til Michael managed to overthrow FEDRA, he'd likely have gotten meds for Sam without having to sell out anyone. No one is a good guy here.
@@bridgethaines7127 As Kathleen's 2nd said, her brother was a great man but he accomplished nothing whereas Kathleen managed to overthrow FEDRA after he was gone. No guarantee Michael manages to do what she accomplished. Sam probably didn't have a huge amount of time to wait for medicine.
@@snowdenwyatt6276 He wasn't given the chance to finish what he started. And again, Sam was a child, an ill child, whose life was placed above the possible savior of the city from 20 years of rape, torture, and murder. There is no right decision here, but there is one in which the good of the many may outweigh the good of the few. Note, had Michael lived, either he (if he succeeded in the overthrow) or FEDRA would not have made the clear resurgence of the underground infected a lower priority than vengeance. Henry's choice had far-reaching consequences beyond Kathleen herself.
39:50 "Ellie has learned so well from Joel" wow Until he said that, I had never put together Ellie slipping through the open window was totally a callback to Joel telling her to slip through the hole in the wall. He's really teaching her without even realizing
I think Ellie said sorry one, for her blood not working, but two for breaking her promise and falling asleep. He was alone and turning and she feels bad for not being with him when she said she would be.
I think what makes this episode even more powerful than in the game is the fact that Henry really reflected that after all the shit he did including selling out the resistance leader, it was all for nothing. He did all those bad things, failed to protect his brother, and had to put a bullet in him. His first ever kill with a weapon being his brother. It almost seems like what Kathleen said on Sam dying was fate and resonated with Henry.
Not only that like the fact the show made Sam deaf to rely on his older brother more and the bit of back story to Henry and Sam just played and flowed so well
I love that if you ever forget who in the group know the game and who doesn't - the moment the bloater comes out the bottom half boys are confused and shocked, meanwhile the top half is HYPEDDDDDD
Everyone's talking about Melanie Lynsky's performance, and rightfully so, but I wanted to definitely highlight the actors for Henry and Sam. Lamar Johnson and Keivonn Woodard did phenomenally with their roles and the brothers' deaths gripped me immensely.
I loved these actors so much than the voice actors in the game, I know the game is different, but when he said "Sam" after he shot him, I just felt it in his voice.
Absolutely! When Joel invited them to travel with him & Ellie, and Henry jumped at the chance- the acting there really got me. Henry's very aware that he's in over his head and lacks the survival experience older characters like Joel have, but is still so desperate to keep Sam safe. He sounds so hopeful about traveling together and getting a chance to learn the things he needs to, in order to protect Sam. The actor was wonderful at portraying that vulnerability but eagerness too.
I mean anyone can just skip over the conversation if it's getting out of topic, so I really don't think the pauses are a bad thing. Plus, I'd much rather you guys get it out of your system than end up talking over something important. I really enjoy your reactions and I'm excited to see how TLOU will break our hearts in the next episode.
id agree if it was a certain show or video. but these type of shows or episodes are meant to be watched in one go without pausing. To not give you enough time to regain yourself and lose that stress of what is going to happen, for you to not lose that adrenaline.
@@edgarportillo2182 I'm hardly going to tell them how to run their own channel. Plus, if they stop pausing just because of pressure from their viewers, it could really sour the experience for them. I'm more annoyed by those who keep talking over the characters and end up missing important dialogue because of it.
@@boringa55binch89 there’s a few reactors I’ve seen that very much note everything and speak about it after the episode. And for me that’s a valid and logical way to run the video. When they talk so much bit by bit the suspense and adrenaline just vanishes. Both with them and especially the viewers. It is what it is. I won’t tell them to run it any different either. But it’s not my preferred choice for watching.
Never stop pausing dudes, your discussions and analysis are great, really goes to show how invested you are into the show and its characters. This episode made me really want an anthology series or fake history books detailing what happened throughout other parts of the country or even world, giving us more insight into FEDRA's crimes, the different Fireflies, other settlements that rose and fell, etc
yeah, i really like this type of reaction. It's really cool to listen in and hear their thoughts in real time without knowing what's coming next. But how does the uncut version work if they keep pausing? lol
"Just for revenge" lol in her place you would do the same. Henry sold a guy out to save his little bro, Katheleen was trying to avenge someone she also loved a lot. People can hate her character all they want and sympathize with Henry more just because of Sam, but fact is anyone in her place would feel the same. This is why this show is so good, it's all about point of views and how far you are willing for someone you love. This will also resonate with Joel and Ellie in the future.
@@targaryen7029 Yeah but she herself even said that her brother forgives him because he broke the rules of FEDRA and deserved his punishment. He didn’t blame Henry for what he did, he was just doing his job for FEDRA in order to save his brother. She even knew that he did it to help take care of his brother because he’s sick and her response to it is that he isn’t worth it and that he should die. She is just an awful person who doesn’t care if people die in her path. She didn’t just kill Henry or Sam, she literally killed everyone that was a part of her force in order to avenge her brother which is just downright awful.
@@targaryen7029 she herself said her brother would want her to forgive Henry and she said she doesn't care. She knows she should but runs her revolution to the ground within two weeks after taking the city because she refuses to follow her brothers example
When I watched this episode with my boyfriend, at the end I looked at him and said "why do we even watch this show? we're watching heartbreak over and over again and it hurts me" and he was just like, "I don't know, come hug me".
when the truck blows up after crashing into the house, it looks like the stunt person filling in for Ellie narrowly escaped getting hit by a huge chunk of the set!!
That’s horrible. Doubt that they didn’t take the necessary precaution for filming the episode safely, but if they really did make a mistake & kept the footage, that’s neither fun nor cool.
@@dragnofmetal But if you think about it, I'm sure a stuntperson that got hurt might even prefer that take be used because at least it wasn't pointless.
I personally like when reactors pause and discuss, even if the scene explains it in a few seconds. It's UA-cam, if (a rare if) I get annoyed with the discussion I just skip a few seconds. I like to hear people's thoughts, predictions, and analysis of characters and plot points
@Nani no Anime, 27:42 ...literally seconds away from that confirmation, lol. Don't mind this comment, though, fellas--I'm enjoying you talk these scenes through =) 30:48 Sounds like Kathleen's brother is the guy who came up with "For the People" slogan this group painted on the trucks. We know enough from Kathleen, Parry (Tommy's VA) and Henry that her brother was actually a good man...probably more like Marlene, but there was a line he wasn't willing to cross. He tried to change FEDRA using the rules...to no avail...and it cost him his life in the end, and even then he accepted his fate because he was found guilty by law--his punishment might not have been just, but he was found guilty by the laws he wanted to keep in place. Kathleen's brother didn't blame Henry for what happened to him because he understood why Henry did what he did and he disagreed with what FEDRA made him do to get it, but he didn't blame Henry for that. 31:01 THIS! 33:05 Cars are the only cover they have, man. At least the body of the car has the chance of slowing, redirecting and even stopping the bullet, and that's heck of a lot better than taking your chances out in the open. 44:40 No, it wasn't too late. The poster that we saw in FEDRA QZ (Boston) had a total infection timetable: -Bites to the neck, face or head: 5 to 15 minutes -Bites to the torso, shoulders, arms or hands: 2 to 8 hours -Bites to the leg or foot: 12 to 24 hours Had Ellie or Sam told Joel and Henry what had happened, they probably could have prevented Sam's turn, but there would have been a new problem that would have eventually claimed is very likely painful death, infection/blood loss. They didn't have the tools or medication to treat an amputation. Henry went through all this to save his brother and in the end, he still dies ='( You can't change fate, just delay it. 46:44 the game felt the same way, man. This was rough, but it continues the theme of family, the lesson Joel needs to learn. Joel closed his heart off to the world the moment Sarah died, and he never fully let another person in since then and he told us that by how he referred to Tess, "Tess was like family." Bill's letter meant a lot because Joel was more like Bill than anyone else, and Bill showed him that you can let a person in and have a life in this world. Kathleen and Henry continue that lesson about family, the extremes one is willing to go and the cost of those extremes, but more importantly, how one can be easily blinded by them. The Last of Us is such a great story. Period. I don't see any show topping it this year. HBO came out swinging and every episode is a homerun. How can they not sweep the Emmys? Everyone from props to acting is on point! No one is dropping the ball here. Emmys for everyone, including catering!
@42:00 - The irony is *mwha* (chef's kiss) here- Kathleen previously said that maybe Sam was meant to die... kids die all the time! Then she gets taken out by a kid who should have died before she turned into a Clicker. Fucking brilliant.
listen y’all I usually love to watch ur videos as soon as i see them pop up but i just finished this episode literally three minutes ago. Bet this is great tho!! looking forward to watching it when I recover
There's something unsettling in realizing that Sam was just sitting there because he's deaf. An infected listens for their prey. Even if he ever went to go full on clicker he couldn't. Ellie broke her promise and fell asleep, so he was just sitting there. Waiting, screaming from the inside. As his brain was slowly eaten away. And until someone touched him, or came in his view, he would sit there forever. And when Ellie touched him, Sam saw his own body attack her. Instead of becoming the superhero he always wanted to be. He became a monster, crying for his brother to help. He didn't even hear the shot. Just his vision slowly fading to black. He spent all night trying not to fall asleep. Then suddenly his eyes were slowly closing, afraid of what would happen once he woke up, but he never did. Bill and Frank's story was sad, in a stoic kind of way, but just like Bill said at the end, it wasn't tragic. They'd lived a full life. Here Sam and Henry had hope, a chance, and a whole life ahead of them. Henry was so good that he protected Ellie before even realizing what he was doing. It was instinctual. That comes from deep inside. Henry finally became the superhero Sam knew he could be, he just didn't know he'd be the monster. So Henry's first time killing. Was his own little brother. A little like Kathleen said, this kind of goodness, makes it hard to live in such a tragic world.
The thing about Henry's crime is that while he did do it for an understandable reason, like, the severity of what he did was so much more than what any other collaborator really did. He gave up the leader of the revolution and could've jeopardized the entire thing, compared to others who maybe gave up one person. You can forgive him as an individual for it, but on a grander scale there need to be consequences for it. It's not trading a life for a life, it's trading a life for potentially hundreds of lives. That being said, that proooooobably doesn't make Henry worth dedicating literally the entire military to finding and ignoring the pulsating sinkhole full of zombies for.
I love that I stumbled on to y’all’s channel 😂 I love your reactions. Then the fact you also started Avatar the Last Airbender reactions. Definitely subbed.
I love how this episode wrote so well what The Last Of Us is, what would you do for someone you love? Good things? Bad things? From your perspective, would that be a bad thing? How far is the limit of humanity? To what extent would your motivations be understandable and to what extent would you become just another violent and murderous person? Your actions affect other person? What that person should do? That's the message of The Last Of Us, what would humanity become in an apocalyptic world, what would we do for the only people we have by our side.
I am SO happy you pause for your talks. Holy bless. Also Sam being deaf and not hearing Ellie until she physically touched him, Fungi Sam would have no outside stimuli to even turn around until physically disturbed
This episode is pure tragedy. Henry coundn't save Sam and Ellie blamed herself for it. Kathelyne didn't get her revenge and Kansas city is lost shortly after. Like, fuck, there's litterally no winner here.
TLOU Part 2 (game) SPOILERS . . . . . . . . . . . . I find it really interesting that they’ve added some changes like Henry being a part of the group and then the group wanting revenge on them and also Ellie thinking her blood is medicine, since these changes help strengthen some of the themes in Part 2 like Ellie and Abby both wanting revenge. Or also that Ellie really cares about creating the cure and shows why it really hurt her when she didn’t get the choice in it all.
Interesting notes relating to both games. But I really hope they don’t make a season or adapt The Last of Us part 2. I really hated the story. 😅 and if they do I just won’t watch it. I had a horrible month when the game came out. I rather not repeat it.
@@kay-jay1581 oh Part II story will be adapt they already renew the second season after episode 2 of this show but Craig said it will be 2 seasons instead of one because how big the story Part II was
Imagine your younger sibling being your first OFFICIAL kill!!💔Ps: who else noticed after Kathleen was talking trash about kids she ended up getting killed by one!🤣
i saw a short today of a side by side comparison of episode 4 where they are driving in the truck and crash in the show vs the game and they did one HELL of a job with that
"I DON'T LIKE THIS SHOW!" BRO, SAME. I knew halfway through this episode that they were going to kill that little kid because he was too damn cute, and the relationship with his brother was so pure. But it still hurt. I think I've finally realized that they're basically going to make you fall in love with a character every 1-2 episodes, the nerf them.
Why didn’t Joel snipe the leader when she was telling Henry to come out? He had more bullets since he was taking out the Infected, was he worried about drawing attention to himself or starting a bulletfest from the other soldiers if he started shooting?
I can already picture the youtube comments and twitter fights lol. Not to mention all the people hating Kathleen turning into hypocrites when they root for Ellie
that’s awesome for them. We had to reupload this video 4x before it was allowed up. In fact UA-cam is so broken atm that a video that is not copyright claimed can be reuploaded & then get claimed. Other channels show it because they got lucky. We keep the overlay as transparent as we can & only adjust after the video gets hit That’s why we have early/uncut versions of everything we do available to UA-cam and Patreon members
You know, when Kathleen said that her brother told her to forgive them while he was in prison all I could think was “is Michael Jesus?!” Like I imagine him on a cross saying “forgive them for they know not what they do.”
He was against terrorist attacks on civilians. She was willing to take on the guilt of killing babies. That's the difference. That's why they finally won, and that's why the men follower her. Her brutality worked, while her brother's mercy didn't.
What a wild Episode and with another tragedy too, now i wonder what the Show will cover next? It will be interesting to see. What do you expect to see next?
I blame Marline for Ellie thinking her blood would heal Sam. She filled Ellie's head with a lot of ideas of being the savior of the world without telling her how it works. I love what they're doing with this show, Kathleen is up there for me with Umbrage from Harry Potter of characters i love to hate after this episode
That’s because people are different and not everyone is Joel, Joel didn’t kill himself but he ended up becoming the bad guy instead. Plus Joel has his younger brother Tommy he wanted to protect which is why he told Ellie that’s the reason he kept going. After Tess died she made it clear she wanted him to save Ellie, so that’s his purpose because Tess means a lot to him. Bill is old and would be alone and more vulnerable without Frank, he doesn’t have family left. It seems clear the only person Henry had or cared about was Sam, Henry never wanted to be someone who would kill and avoided it, he isn’t like Joel that way. He lost the only person that mattered to him and he had to be the one who killed him, which is the first person he killed. He didn’t have a reason to go on either
ok so yea no marines talk to each other that way- they usually laugh afterward but I got multiple marines in my family. when they in charge, they in charge and will tell everyone STFU LOL
You guys really don't believe in the leader of the resistance. Like the brother of Kathleen. Maybe he was the best leader and he wasn't just "keeping the peace". Maybe Kathleen was justified in her revenge but she did it all wrong, that's why I love to hate her.
You guys are cool but one thing that's annoying is a the pauses 😆 that's why some content creators write in a notebook then you can go over everything after the episode
yeah i like their reactions a lot, just most of the time when they pause and discuss, what they talk about eventually happens in the next 15secs after they unpause haha it gets to me esp when it's multipe consecutive times in just one scene
You're literally on the verge of getting your answers every time you pause - and as much as I enjoy your intelligent debates and investment in the show, maybe give the scenes a little more time to play out? It's my only gripe, because the contrast between the two that know and the two that don't makes for entertaining reactions!
But I don't understand is on how the creators and directors decided to change bill's story character Etc but they didn't change the outcome of Henry and Sam in the end I mean they completely changed Henry and Sam's character but why did they still have to kill them off?
they changed bill part (mostly action that could belong in a videogame but not a show) for a better story, but henry and sam could still be a good story without that many action (that it still has) sorry for my bad english u_u
Bill’s story was changed for world building purposes because his section doesn’t introduce anything new if you get rid of the bloater introduction. In the game, it’s designed to ease the player into solo combat after Tess dies. In the show, it would just be a repetitive filler mission to get a car battery because you don’t learn too much about Bill or the outbreak during that time. Because the bloater was moved to this episode, they probably decided to use Bill’s story as a chance to expand on the world building and themes of vulnerability and isolation instead.
This is what the creator of the game said: "If the alternative from game is better we deviate, if it's not, we follow the game". Basically, he said there wasnt better alternative plotwise
Because changing Bill and Frank’s story doesn’t change the fundamental core of Joel and Ellie’s story, they get to the same point and learn the same lessons whether or not in the show or game version. The only thing we miss is just Bill and Ellie banter, but that ultimately doesn’t change any essential character beats. The show changed Bill and Frank’s story in a way that doesn’t effect the narrative of the story they are telling. If they had changed Henry and Sam’s story to have them live, then it fundamentally changes Joel and Ellie’s character trajectory and lessons learned that effects their character decisions down the line. You simply cannot change Henry and Sam’s story without changing Joel and Ellie’s story.
I think Ellie convinced herself her blood could heal him. It's not unusual for kids and teens to get swept up into all sorts of beliefs and ideas, and she so desperately wished it was true.
*Spoiler*
I think this new addition also continues the original game's narrative that Ellie was very much willing to go through the surgery at the end. She very much wanted all of this not been for nothing with her sacrifice, which leads to that melancholy standoff with her and Joel asking about the truth.
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@@XC11301991 not necessarily for me but you have to put spoiler Warning for other people bro
@latrelljack8751 for an old ass game that got remastered, should've played it before the remaster and you wouldn't need the warning
@@ravingtree6085 people don't always have the fucking money to buy games AND a console man...
What really makes Kathleen fucked up is she's doing all this in vengeance for her Brother, while telling Henry that his brother isn't worth it.
Revenge completely clouded her mind
And her brother was big on leading through forgiveness and acceptance, which is why people loved him. But she rejected his view, and people mistook her for his spiritual successor of sorts, in the end their collective quest for vengeance and her specific one lead to everyone's death as the infected swarm the QZ.
She lead the revolt that liberated the QZ, but Pierce (Tommy's voice actor) was wrong to say her brother didn't accomplish anything, but that she did. It was their love and admiration for him that inspired the revolt.
Everyone watching this thinking Kathleen's revenge is for nothing will be in an interesting spot when part 2 happens. Without spoiling anything, revenge is the main theme..
craig said that all that was the setting of waters for season 2/3 if you know what i mean.
It is fucked out but again… I kind of get it? Like she meant that Sam was dying anyway naturally of an illness, he wasn’t going to die because of someone else. Henry got a good man who meant a lot to so many people as the leader of the resistance killed to save his brother who was sick. Micheal was healthy and wasn’t dying, he got killed because someone else made a selfish decision. Yes Sam is a kid and we would all rather him survive but it’s true, Michael overall was more important to way more people to save, because he was actually doing things to get people out and away from their horrible situation of r*pe and torture. He was actively working on putting a stop to it. I know it’s easy to say that Kathleen sounds so hypocritical and insane but tbh… it’s not the same situation. Yes she was blinded by revenge but even Henry never said that she was going too far, he understood he did something horrible and felt that guilt but all he wanted was Sam’s safety
It’s a cool detail that Kathleen’s anger allowed her to take out FEDRA, but her inability to forgive and let go caused her to lose it all in a night
She fought fedra and won and within a week and few dys she lost all of it, tru Karen energy
craig said that all that was the setting of waters for season 2/3 if you know what i mean.
You could also say Henry getting Michael killed is the cause of it all. Because if he'd waited til Michael managed to overthrow FEDRA, he'd likely have gotten meds for Sam without having to sell out anyone. No one is a good guy here.
@@bridgethaines7127 As Kathleen's 2nd said, her brother was a great man but he accomplished nothing whereas Kathleen managed to overthrow FEDRA after he was gone. No guarantee Michael manages to do what she accomplished. Sam probably didn't have a huge amount of time to wait for medicine.
@@snowdenwyatt6276 He wasn't given the chance to finish what he started. And again, Sam was a child, an ill child, whose life was placed above the possible savior of the city from 20 years of rape, torture, and murder. There is no right decision here, but there is one in which the good of the many may outweigh the good of the few. Note, had Michael lived, either he (if he succeeded in the overthrow) or FEDRA would not have made the clear resurgence of the underground infected a lower priority than vengeance. Henry's choice had far-reaching consequences beyond Kathleen herself.
39:50 "Ellie has learned so well from Joel" wow
Until he said that, I had never put together Ellie slipping through the open window was totally a callback to Joel telling her to slip through the hole in the wall. He's really teaching her without even realizing
I think Ellie said sorry one, for her blood not working, but two for breaking her promise and falling asleep. He was alone and turning and she feels bad for not being with him when she said she would be.
I think what makes this episode even more powerful than in the game is the fact that Henry really reflected that after all the shit he did including selling out the resistance leader, it was all for nothing. He did all those bad things, failed to protect his brother, and had to put a bullet in him. His first ever kill with a weapon being his brother. It almost seems like what Kathleen said on Sam dying was fate and resonated with Henry.
And his actions plus Kathleen's need for revenge all led to the dooming of everyone else in Kansas City. It's so sad.
I think that’s why his line was, “What did I do?” He’s talking about shooting Sam, but also… everything else
Not only that like the fact the show made Sam deaf to rely on his older brother more and the bit of back story to Henry and Sam just played and flowed so well
Oh dang, I was thinking along these lines but never played the games. Gotta look up some game play now, to hurt myself more I guess
I love that if you ever forget who in the group know the game and who doesn't - the moment the bloater comes out the bottom half boys are confused and shocked, meanwhile the top half is HYPEDDDDDD
Joel softens as Ellie hardens. She is no longer a kid.
I saw this comment somewhere else
@@inc12345 yeah this is copied nearly word for word
Was gonna say, this comment looks familiar!
just wait for the winter, lol
Melanie Linskey naturally looks and sounds so sweet and motherly, and Kathleen is the complete opposite of that. Excellent, unsettling casting.
she kinda even reminds me a little bit of Drew Barrymore
That combination makes me more angry than it does make me unsettled lol
@@noconsequence4486 weirdo incel comment
@@guaitxican she even played as Drew's step sister in Ever After. 😃
@@lambfatale your comments the weird one. What are you even talking about?
Everyone's talking about Melanie Lynsky's performance, and rightfully so, but I wanted to definitely highlight the actors for Henry and Sam. Lamar Johnson and Keivonn Woodard did phenomenally with their roles and the brothers' deaths gripped me immensely.
I loved these actors so much than the voice actors in the game, I know the game is different, but when he said "Sam" after he shot him, I just felt it in his voice.
Absolutely! When Joel invited them to travel with him & Ellie, and Henry jumped at the chance- the acting there really got me. Henry's very aware that he's in over his head and lacks the survival experience older characters like Joel have, but is still so desperate to keep Sam safe. He sounds so hopeful about traveling together and getting a chance to learn the things he needs to, in order to protect Sam. The actor was wonderful at portraying that vulnerability but eagerness too.
I mean anyone can just skip over the conversation if it's getting out of topic, so I really don't think the pauses are a bad thing. Plus, I'd much rather you guys get it out of your system than end up talking over something important. I really enjoy your reactions and I'm excited to see how TLOU will break our hearts in the next episode.
id agree if it was a certain show or video. but these type of shows or episodes are meant to be watched in one go without pausing. To not give you enough time to regain yourself and lose that stress of what is going to happen, for you to not lose that adrenaline.
@@edgarportillo2182 I'm hardly going to tell them how to run their own channel. Plus, if they stop pausing just because of pressure from their viewers, it could really sour the experience for them. I'm more annoyed by those who keep talking over the characters and end up missing important dialogue because of it.
@@boringa55binch89 there’s a few reactors I’ve seen that very much note everything and speak about it after the episode. And for me that’s a valid and logical way to run the video. When they talk so much bit by bit the suspense and adrenaline just vanishes. Both with them and especially the viewers. It is what it is. I won’t tell them to run it any different either. But it’s not my preferred choice for watching.
You can’t really speak to our experience when we don’t lose any suspense for ourselves.
@@sortastupid Fair enough.
Never stop pausing dudes, your discussions and analysis are great, really goes to show how invested you are into the show and its characters.
This episode made me really want an anthology series or fake history books detailing what happened throughout other parts of the country or even world, giving us more insight into FEDRA's crimes, the different Fireflies, other settlements that rose and fell, etc
And I would rather they pause and chat then talk over important stuffs
yeah, i really like this type of reaction. It's really cool to listen in and hear their thoughts in real time without knowing what's coming next. But how does the uncut version work if they keep pausing? lol
Its funny how people complain about them pausing. They’re a reaction channel isnt that what your here for…
Kathleen's actor did a good job making me hate the character so much, she doomed the entire city just for revenge.
"Just for revenge" lol in her place you would do the same. Henry sold a guy out to save his little bro, Katheleen was trying to avenge someone she also loved a lot. People can hate her character all they want and sympathize with Henry more just because of Sam, but fact is anyone in her place would feel the same. This is why this show is so good, it's all about point of views and how far you are willing for someone you love. This will also resonate with Joel and Ellie in the future.
@@targaryen7029 true but i kinda lost my sympathy towards her when she's basically said "fck them kids" lol
@@targaryen7029 Yeah but she herself even said that her brother forgives him because he broke the rules of FEDRA and deserved his punishment. He didn’t blame Henry for what he did, he was just doing his job for FEDRA in order to save his brother. She even knew that he did it to help take care of his brother because he’s sick and her response to it is that he isn’t worth it and that he should die. She is just an awful person who doesn’t care if people die in her path. She didn’t just kill Henry or Sam, she literally killed everyone that was a part of her force in order to avenge her brother which is just downright awful.
Idk if it was her acting or the writing but man I was satisfied as hell when her character died
@@targaryen7029 she herself said her brother would want her to forgive Henry and she said she doesn't care. She knows she should but runs her revolution to the ground within two weeks after taking the city because she refuses to follow her brothers example
Kathleen asking Henry is Sam worth everything will resonate with Joel as they continue on their journey
I can't even praise this director and the writers much further. All I can say is, Genius.
When I watched this episode with my boyfriend, at the end I looked at him and said "why do we even watch this show? we're watching heartbreak over and over again and it hurts me" and he was just like, "I don't know, come hug me".
The acting in this episode was so damn good, excellent performances all around
I’ve heated theories that Sam knew he was going to change so he turned around so he wouldn’t attack Ellie (Remebet he can’t hear her)
Oh my god that breaks my heart
when the truck blows up after crashing into the house, it looks like the stunt person filling in for Ellie narrowly escaped getting hit by a huge chunk of the set!!
That’s horrible. Doubt that they didn’t take the necessary precaution for filming the episode safely, but if they really did make a mistake & kept the footage, that’s neither fun nor cool.
That's filmmaking for ya. If the actors don't die and the shot came out good then the footage gets used regardless of the injuries involved.
@@dragnofmetal and they should! I think stunt people know what they’re getting into. It’s a dangerous job
@@dragnofmetal But if you think about it, I'm sure a stuntperson that got hurt might even prefer that take be used because at least it wasn't pointless.
nah that was definitely done in post production, its literally illegal to do that to any kind of stuntman in any scenario
I personally like when reactors pause and discuss, even if the scene explains it in a few seconds. It's UA-cam, if (a rare if) I get annoyed with the discussion I just skip a few seconds. I like to hear people's thoughts, predictions, and analysis of characters and plot points
Boom *quietly*: "where you were on Jan 6th?"
That made me burst with Laughter
@Nani no Anime,
27:42 ...literally seconds away from that confirmation, lol. Don't mind this comment, though, fellas--I'm enjoying you talk these scenes through =)
30:48 Sounds like Kathleen's brother is the guy who came up with "For the People" slogan this group painted on the trucks. We know enough from Kathleen, Parry (Tommy's VA) and Henry that her brother was actually a good man...probably more like Marlene, but there was a line he wasn't willing to cross. He tried to change FEDRA using the rules...to no avail...and it cost him his life in the end, and even then he accepted his fate because he was found guilty by law--his punishment might not have been just, but he was found guilty by the laws he wanted to keep in place. Kathleen's brother didn't blame Henry for what happened to him because he understood why Henry did what he did and he disagreed with what FEDRA made him do to get it, but he didn't blame Henry for that.
31:01 THIS!
33:05 Cars are the only cover they have, man. At least the body of the car has the chance of slowing, redirecting and even stopping the bullet, and that's heck of a lot better than taking your chances out in the open.
44:40 No, it wasn't too late. The poster that we saw in FEDRA QZ (Boston) had a total infection timetable:
-Bites to the neck, face or head: 5 to 15 minutes
-Bites to the torso, shoulders, arms or hands: 2 to 8 hours
-Bites to the leg or foot: 12 to 24 hours
Had Ellie or Sam told Joel and Henry what had happened, they probably could have prevented Sam's turn, but there would have been a new problem that would have eventually claimed is very likely painful death, infection/blood loss. They didn't have the tools or medication to treat an amputation. Henry went through all this to save his brother and in the end, he still dies ='( You can't change fate, just delay it.
46:44 the game felt the same way, man. This was rough, but it continues the theme of family, the lesson Joel needs to learn. Joel closed his heart off to the world the moment Sarah died, and he never fully let another person in since then and he told us that by how he referred to Tess, "Tess was like family." Bill's letter meant a lot because Joel was more like Bill than anyone else, and Bill showed him that you can let a person in and have a life in this world. Kathleen and Henry continue that lesson about family, the extremes one is willing to go and the cost of those extremes, but more importantly, how one can be easily blinded by them.
The Last of Us is such a great story. Period. I don't see any show topping it this year. HBO came out swinging and every episode is a homerun. How can they not sweep the Emmys? Everyone from props to acting is on point! No one is dropping the ball here. Emmys for everyone, including catering!
@42:00 - The irony is *mwha* (chef's kiss) here- Kathleen previously said that maybe Sam was meant to die... kids die all the time! Then she gets taken out by a kid who should have died before she turned into a Clicker. Fucking brilliant.
when the bloater showed up i literally started hopping around like a bird and flapping my hands while chanting "bloater! bloater! bloater!"
46:41 thats the most genuine comment to something I’ve ever heard.
listen y’all I usually love to watch ur videos as soon as i see them pop up but i just finished this episode literally three minutes ago. Bet this is great tho!! looking forward to watching it when I recover
There's something unsettling in realizing that Sam was just sitting there because he's deaf. An infected listens for their prey. Even if he ever went to go full on clicker he couldn't. Ellie broke her promise and fell asleep, so he was just sitting there. Waiting, screaming from the inside. As his brain was slowly eaten away. And until someone touched him, or came in his view, he would sit there forever.
And when Ellie touched him, Sam saw his own body attack her. Instead of becoming the superhero he always wanted to be. He became a monster, crying for his brother to help. He didn't even hear the shot. Just his vision slowly fading to black. He spent all night trying not to fall asleep. Then suddenly his eyes were slowly closing, afraid of what would happen once he woke up, but he never did.
Bill and Frank's story was sad, in a stoic kind of way, but just like Bill said at the end, it wasn't tragic. They'd lived a full life. Here Sam and Henry had hope, a chance, and a whole life ahead of them. Henry was so good that he protected Ellie before even realizing what he was doing. It was instinctual. That comes from deep inside. Henry finally became the superhero Sam knew he could be, he just didn't know he'd be the monster. So Henry's first time killing. Was his own little brother.
A little like Kathleen said, this kind of goodness, makes it hard to live in such a tragic world.
Not this comment making me cry even more, man
this comment is legit novelization material. good stuff.
So good, also on my captions before she touch him, I think it said Henry Humming? but how could that be?
Great video reaction! Have been watching your TLoU reactions and you're one of my favourite now.
The thing about Henry's crime is that while he did do it for an understandable reason, like, the severity of what he did was so much more than what any other collaborator really did. He gave up the leader of the revolution and could've jeopardized the entire thing, compared to others who maybe gave up one person. You can forgive him as an individual for it, but on a grander scale there need to be consequences for it. It's not trading a life for a life, it's trading a life for potentially hundreds of lives.
That being said, that proooooobably doesn't make Henry worth dedicating literally the entire military to finding and ignoring the pulsating sinkhole full of zombies for.
I love that I stumbled on to y’all’s channel 😂 I love your reactions. Then the fact you also started Avatar the Last Airbender reactions. Definitely subbed.
I love how this episode wrote so well what The Last Of Us is, what would you do for someone you love? Good things? Bad things? From your perspective, would that be a bad thing? How far is the limit of humanity? To what extent would your motivations be understandable and to what extent would you become just another violent and murderous person? Your actions affect other person? What that person should do? That's the message of The Last Of Us, what would humanity become in an apocalyptic world, what would we do for the only people we have by our side.
I love your theory on how FEDRA actually managed to contain the infected underground. It's sound very sound in this circumstance.
I am SO happy you pause for your talks. Holy bless.
Also Sam being deaf and not hearing Ellie until she physically touched him, Fungi Sam would have no outside stimuli to even turn around until physically disturbed
This episode is pure tragedy.
Henry coundn't save Sam and Ellie blamed herself for it.
Kathelyne didn't get her revenge and Kansas city is lost shortly after.
Like, fuck, there's litterally no winner here.
Ellie’s involuntary cry when Henry shoots himself 😢 Bella Ramsey is incredible not even just as Ellie, but as an actress overall.
It took me three hours to watch this episode cause I didn't want to get the end, and when I finally did, being ready for it did not help
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I find it really interesting that they’ve added some changes like Henry being a part of the group and then the group wanting revenge on them and also Ellie thinking her blood is medicine, since these changes help strengthen some of the themes in Part 2 like Ellie and Abby both wanting revenge. Or also that Ellie really cares about creating the cure and shows why it really hurt her when she didn’t get the choice in it all.
Interesting notes relating to both games. But I really hope they don’t make a season or adapt The Last of Us part 2. I really hated the story. 😅
and if they do I just won’t watch it. I had a horrible month when the game came out. I rather not repeat it.
@@kay-jay1581 oh Part II story will be adapt they already renew the second season after episode 2 of this show but Craig said it will be 2 seasons instead of one because how big the story Part II was
This episode was insane and crazy seeing that from the game into tv was awesome and scary
"I DON'T LIKE THIS SHOW!" is such a mood
when i first saw the BLOATER like the hand I was like ITS OVER ITS OVER for those guys the resistance against FEDRA i was FUCK YEAH
Imagine your younger sibling being your first OFFICIAL kill!!💔Ps: who else noticed after Kathleen was talking trash about kids she ended up getting killed by one!🤣
i saw a short today of a side by side comparison of episode 4 where they are driving in the truck and crash in the show vs the game and they did one HELL of a job with that
In this case, you DO walk down the middle of the street. There could be infected in the cars.
"I DON'T LIKE THIS SHOW!"
BRO, SAME. I knew halfway through this episode that they were going to kill that little kid because he was too damn cute, and the relationship with his brother was so pure. But it still hurt. I think I've finally realized that they're basically going to make you fall in love with a character every 1-2 episodes, the nerf them.
But hey
His plan worked. He delivered.
It was worth the SHOT.
GIVE THE BOY SOME SCIENCE!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Why didn’t Joel snipe the leader when she was telling Henry to come out? He had more bullets since he was taking out the Infected, was he worried about drawing attention to himself or starting a bulletfest from the other soldiers if he started shooting?
Thx for the reaction
i still would have hid, wait till clear, then grabbed one if the weapons and one of the vehicles
The audio of you guys talking in this video was super quiet. Every time an ad came on I felt like I was gonna go deaf.
Hman the voice of reason out of everyone in this group.
I'd like all the people hating Kathy to remember that sentiment in the next season, when the show reveals who she's a foil for...
I can already picture the youtube comments and twitter fights lol. Not to mention all the people hating Kathleen turning into hypocrites when they root for Ellie
I just wish I could see the show when I watch you guys. Other channels show the screen and they do just fine.
that’s awesome for them. We had to reupload this video 4x before it was allowed up. In fact UA-cam is so broken atm that a video that is not copyright claimed can be reuploaded & then get claimed.
Other channels show it because they got lucky. We keep the overlay as transparent as we can & only adjust after the video gets hit
That’s why we have early/uncut versions of everything we do available to UA-cam and Patreon members
You know, when Kathleen said that her brother told her to forgive them while he was in prison all I could think was “is Michael Jesus?!” Like I imagine him on a cross saying “forgive them for they know not what they do.”
Funnily, the creatives does describe Michael as this Jesus figure.
The question for me has always been , did she apologize because she didn’t stay up with him or because she couldn’t save him???
Please react to The Boys from Amazon!! Loving these TLOU reactions
He was against terrorist attacks on civilians. She was willing to take on the guilt of killing babies. That's the difference. That's why they finally won, and that's why the men follower her. Her brutality worked, while her brother's mercy didn't.
What a wild Episode and with another tragedy too,
now i wonder what the Show will cover next? It will be interesting to see.
What do you expect to see next?
Are you kidding me? did you skip when Henry shoots Sam?
Except in the game, he leaves that sweet-ass sniper rifle behind. Made me so mad!
Wasn't game's a larger caliber using window sill as mount, and a lot heavier? that from show is more manageable
I blame Marline for Ellie thinking her blood would heal Sam. She filled Ellie's head with a lot of ideas of being the savior of the world without telling her how it works. I love what they're doing with this show, Kathleen is up there for me with Umbrage from Harry Potter of characters i love to hate after this episode
I can’t even hate Kathleen, because hating her would be like hating Joel, because Joel would do the same thing.
So Sarah died Joel lives
Tess died Joel lives
But when frank died bill gave up too
When sam died henry killed himself
That’s because people are different and not everyone is Joel, Joel didn’t kill himself but he ended up becoming the bad guy instead. Plus Joel has his younger brother Tommy he wanted to protect which is why he told Ellie that’s the reason he kept going. After Tess died she made it clear she wanted him to save Ellie, so that’s his purpose because Tess means a lot to him.
Bill is old and would be alone and more vulnerable without Frank, he doesn’t have family left. It seems clear the only person Henry had or cared about was Sam, Henry never wanted to be someone who would kill and avoided it, he isn’t like Joel that way. He lost the only person that mattered to him and he had to be the one who killed him, which is the first person he killed. He didn’t have a reason to go on either
It's really close 2 beating arcane for me right now..
When are you guy's gonna watch legends of vox machina
Poor H-Man, he wouldn't make it in the apocolype!
ok so yea no marines talk to each other that way- they usually laugh afterward but I got multiple marines in my family. when they in charge, they in charge and will tell everyone STFU LOL
Didn’t know you know every single marine in the US, that’s pretty impressive ngl
@@sortastupid sometimes it feels like it the ones i know are a rowdy sarcastic bunch
Would you pls react to the monkie kid pilot a hero is born!!!!!
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You guys really don't believe in the leader of the resistance. Like the brother of Kathleen. Maybe he was the best leader and he wasn't just "keeping the peace". Maybe Kathleen was justified in her revenge but she did it all wrong, that's why I love to hate her.
You guys are cool but one thing that's annoying is a the pauses 😆 that's why some content creators write in a notebook then you can go over everything after the episode
That’s cool that’s their style.
@@sortastupid just giving an honest opinion. But you guys are cool though!
yeah i like their reactions a lot, just most of the time when they pause and discuss, what they talk about eventually happens in the next 15secs after they unpause haha it gets to me esp when it's multipe consecutive times in just one scene
Bad news, it’s our gift and it’s going to keep happening
TATAKE
You're literally on the verge of getting your answers every time you pause - and as much as I enjoy your intelligent debates and investment in the show, maybe give the scenes a little more time to play out? It's my only gripe, because the contrast between the two that know and the two that don't makes for entertaining reactions!
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But I don't understand is on how the creators and directors decided to change bill's story character Etc but they didn't change the outcome of Henry and Sam in the end I mean they completely changed Henry and Sam's character but why did they still have to kill them off?
they changed bill part (mostly action that could belong in a videogame but not a show) for a better story, but henry and sam could still be a good story without that many action (that it still has)
sorry for my bad english u_u
Bill’s story was changed for world building purposes because his section doesn’t introduce anything new if you get rid of the bloater introduction. In the game, it’s designed to ease the player into solo combat after Tess dies. In the show, it would just be a repetitive filler mission to get a car battery because you don’t learn too much about Bill or the outbreak during that time. Because the bloater was moved to this episode, they probably decided to use Bill’s story as a chance to expand on the world building and themes of vulnerability and isolation instead.
This is what the creator of the game said: "If the alternative from game is better we deviate, if it's not, we follow the game". Basically, he said there wasnt better alternative plotwise
It's called the last of us for a reason
Because changing Bill and Frank’s story doesn’t change the fundamental core of Joel and Ellie’s story, they get to the same point and learn the same lessons whether or not in the show or game version. The only thing we miss is just Bill and Ellie banter, but that ultimately doesn’t change any essential character beats. The show changed Bill and Frank’s story in a way that doesn’t effect the narrative of the story they are telling.
If they had changed Henry and Sam’s story to have them live, then it fundamentally changes Joel and Ellie’s character trajectory and lessons learned that effects their character decisions down the line. You simply cannot change Henry and Sam’s story without changing Joel and Ellie’s story.
She fought fedra and won and within a week and few dys she lost all of it, tru Karen energy
Human, not Karen