@@kmfdmman I would love to try that out. You could either replace Seal of the Crusader with Crusader Strike or let them work along so Paladins could build up this MASSIVE Holy Damage increase over time. And then they keep blasting with Holy Stike and Seal of Rightousness for incredible Holy Damage. I think the Seal System would've been really cool if Pallys had more than just Seal and Judgement. (No, Exorcism doesnt count ^^)
@@bisalissy3846 Massive problem is that they give so much seals to us,but only one effect can be active, we can have only one blessing. They were so afraid to buff paladins, main problem is bubble. In those days skill cap of players was so low, so you will win almost always.
@@bisalissy3846 Hiru said it only stacked up to 5, a bit like shatter armor. But imagine the smite priest would do with 5 crusader strikes on the target.
@@PunkNinjaX Hiru is actually older than a good chunk of his viewers. I'm pretty sure he just never played WC. He started WoW at WotLK I think, so all of his info from before that xpac is purely him digging around online.
Warcraft 3 and WoW were actually developed side by side. It only seems like they borrow elements from Warcraft 3 because it saw release first when in actuality, they were just sharing assets and concepts. I had the same assumption for the longest time until I read The WoW Diary. Some spells just worked better mechanically in an RTS and less so in an MMO.
That's partially true but wc was out before wow well before it wasn't entile later that the original conan and eq inspired there team to make wow the dev cycles did not start at the same time and wow wasn't trutpy into it's dev cycles entill well into wc series u do know this is on interveiws from devs back then stating this right that they were not developed side by side but you know the devs that made the game and have made these statements in old interveiws they don't know what there talking about lulz
I'm not gonna lie man, I used to watch your Top 10 creepy wow videos a few years back when I was hunting TLPD I was in a behavioral facility last year for suicidal behaviors and lost my PC due to it. Watching your videos reminds me of how happy I was playing wow, and makes me remember that even if it's just a silly video game, sometimes they can shape how you feel. Your videos, because of the happiness wow gave me, makes me so happy. I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your videos. Never change
"Paladins originally had 4 abilities that could only be used on undead, which are useless for about 90% of the game" Keep in mind that in the beta, forsaken players were considered undead instead of humanoids. So a Paladin could absolutely destroy a forsaken player in PvP.
Counter to that if classified undead a Forsaken would be immune to charm, fear, sleep and polymorph so mages, warlocks and to a lesser extent priests would be destroyed by a Forsaken, although priests could use shackle undead.
@@cabrondemente1 Also wrath was the first expansion where elemental and enhance weren't absolutely useless specs. It took blizzard like 4 years since vanilla to make them playable
It's funny, I never stopped and asked questions when I had to spend precious talents on a weapon skill or something everyone else just had to spend a few silver on (parry). I guess I was just too young to realize I was getting dicked over.
The "seal of rightiousness" icon comes from warcraft 3, where the Mountain King hero unit had and ability called "Stormbolt" with that exact icon. The ability itself worked basically as paladin stun we have today with some good damage. That unit also had "Thunderclap" that got into wow as a warrior ability unchanged, a passive "Bash" that gave him a random proc to do more damage and stun on autoattacks, and an ultimate "Avatar" that game him a ton of hp, some armor, spell immunity and a good bit of extra dps for a short period
There was a time during the beta when Blizzard thought about making entirely new icons and other art assets for WoW, but I'm glad they used so much stuff from Warcraft 3. The art already looked good, it showed the continuity of the franchise, and it probably saved the artists tons of work.
@@Healpotx And? it was still meant for shadow priests, in vanilla most classes had abilities they could use even if it wasn't useful for their specific spec. Hell in vanilla shadow priests could use spells that would cancel shadowform, like clearly those were not actually intended to be used for shadow priests.
Something interesting I found out in the game files is that feign death was shown to be associated with the rogue class. Even to this day the feign death icon has rogue before it .
Ability name: Magical magey magic spell of magic magey mageyness hirumaredx: There is a tiny probability of maybe potentially this possibly being eventually at some point a mage spell
@@cabrondemente1 that actually makes a lot of sense, also rogue already have 2 stuns in vanilla(idk if they also had 2 in beta) and druids have only one if i'm not wrong
“Lets remove fun, flavorful, unique, and interesting abilities. Did we miss anything? A class will simply be the highest form of fantasy attainable in the game.”
Really weird motivation for the paladin, seeing as Crusader Strike was added in TBC and the Seal system didn't disappear until many expansions later. Tbh, it feels *odder* that the paladin has such a limited martial arsenal, considering they are (lorewise) knights with holy powers, not priests who bulked up enough to wear plate.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark That's not right, iirc. Alonsus Faol who chose them, found his paladins-to-be amongst the "knighthood of Lordaeron". Pious knights to be sure, but knights all the same.
To anyone wondering about the icon spell names because they weren't talked about for some of the spells: Blind (Shadow Word: Befuddle) icon name is spell_shadow_mindsteal. I have no idea what Mind Steal is Anti Magic Shield (Holy Ward) icon file name is spell_shadow_antimagicshell Hibernation (Sleep) icon file name is spell_nature_sleep Ancestral Spirit (Ethereal Form) icon file name is actually spell_nature_regenerate. Regenerate is of the racials for normal trolls for all you Allys Cooking Fire/Cozy Fire (Molten Blast) icon file name is spell_fire_fire
I love abilities that have bonuses against certain mob types. Was pretty sad when they effectively removed them. Also a good chunk of these are based off unit abilities from WC3.
It sounds like such a fun totem though, even if you would have to place it in sneaky positions. It would be super effective in some situations i'd imagine, and maybe even just plain broken in others. Invisibilty is very interesting in wow, because unlike stealth, it involves prediction of enemy positions because you're phased if i recall correctly.
We're gonna win! We're gonna win! *5 Healers get send to Orgrimmar. Kel'Thuzad kills everyone* *TrollingTroll laughs* *TrollingTroll was removed from the guild*
A few days ago i saw someone who made thumbnails simillar to yours, and before checking it out i was beginning to think ill have a second revelation. Like when i discovered you have a yu gi oh channel after watching your wow content for some time.
Sleep did make it into the game as a form of CC for warlocks back in MoP when you had Metamorphosis that transformed your abilities into their "Demon" form, which did transform fear into sleep which worked somewhat like a fear but didn't make you run in circles and was much harder to break on damage
7:43 what about chaos damage? It crits or deals more damage most of the times because it deals every damage school and targets your lowest resistance. It also ignores most shields.
Chaos damage didn't exist back then. It was only frost, fire, nature, arcane, shadow, and holy. Wrath is when they started introducing new hybrid schools like shadowfrost, astral, chaos, etc.
@hirumaredx in regards to trip a knock down is its own different type of CC and was until MoP or whenever they removed the warrior Throwdown ability that was given in cataclym. Knockdowns differed from stuns in that they were not pvp trinketable until blizzard made them so at a later date. If I remember correctly.
Wait… I remember astral recall when leveling my Shaman in 2006. I specifically remember being asked to use it for the group in Deadmines. Not trying to be a stickler.. just interesting and curious. Might wanna check on that!
Fun fact the lightning storm icon has existed since the days of reign of chaos and it wasn't used in there either it was going to be a far seer ability but was later scrapped
Also note that the icon for Holy Ward was reused for warlock's Ritual of Doom. Which requires a party of 5 players and randomly kills one to summon a doomguard. Which imo is much cooler than the retail version where you cast Curse of Doom and when it expires there is a tiny chance to summon one. If Curse of Doom even exists in the live version of the game anymore, idk.
Remember when thrall threw his hammer at mannoroth in that one cinematic where grom kills mannoroth? I think that's what they were were trying to do with thunderbolt for shamans.
For number 2 a similar ability to what shamanes had was added in legion as well as aspect of the turtle. it is basically the same thing but the time is reduced to 8 seconds
People need to understand that even if they had put Holy/Crusader Strike into the game, ret paladins would have still been bad because of itemization. All their abilities scale off holy/spell damage and until AQ40/Naxx there are next to no items for them. That and the fact that spamming those 2 abilities would oom them just like a boomkin.
Probably, but consider that they were already working on the Seal system, so a Paladin could Judge with Seal of Wisdom to get mana back while attacking. It would have also gave them spammable attacks to gain Agro if they were tanking. Also, while going oom on raids is bad, it beats doing nothing but autoattack most of the time then casting two damage abilities, then go back to autoattacking.
MrZurata: Its matter of simple balance. It would only need to prolong the paladin buffs so they doesnt have to spam them during fights. As well as not consume the active seal when you use jugment. Then with these abilities beside the Seal system, it would actualy be playable and fun class. It wouldnt be top DPS but it would be playable.
You must be joking. Tier 2 is all spell damage gear which is available way before AQ, and no, not all paladin abilities scale off of holy/spell damage, either. SoC scales off of weapon damage, and so would have Crusader Strike.
@@uni4rm I would like to see on a vanilla private server with said abilities restored if Pallys are viable dps. Would be an interesting experiment. Or if Blizzard decides to make a "vanilla+" with scrapped content restored and finished (like Azshara Crater), then have those abilities back.
When you show Invisibility Totem there's another totem called agitating totem, was it just an early version of Stoneclaw Totem or something different? Also, i remember using wayback machine to look up very early versions of allakhazam (which people used before thottbot, which was before wowhead) and it showed a hunter ability called glimpse of instincts or something like that, and another ability called lend pet, this might be material for another video.
Wonder of group astral recall was also meant to work on the whole raid too, and as a whole it's no mystery why it was removed, because it's a massive troll ability!! Kind of like how mages can troll with the portals but on a bigger scale! Scenario 1: Get all 40 people to the raid then enter. Funny shaman casts a sneaky group astral recall. Scenario 2: A shaman can effectively hold the whole group as hostage like " Give me the that item, or i teleport everyone home" Kicking the shaman doesn't work, because the ability would have been bugged and still teleport everyone back!!
Its funny that you think trip may be a rogue ability but you are not sure, if you take a look at 3:04 of this video you can clearly see the spellbook of a rogue with rogue abilities in it like kidney shot, rupture, garrote, feint, and trip.. i think its fair to assume with those evidence that it is indeed a rogue ability.
I'm not buying that reason for removing all those damage spells for paladins. If you look at the list of abilities under Ret on Classic it's so painfully obvious they simply gutted it because they either couldn't think of a way or run out of time to balance it. Even with something like a 12 second cooldown Crusader Strike would have helped hugely in making Ret actually half decent to play, and just put it at the bottom of the Ret tree instead of that crappy Repentance.
Paladin just didn't have the gear to DPS, even if the abilities were there. It all scaled with Spell power/Holy damage, and there's no gear for it really.
@@Bladius_ What? A spammable ability is exactly what warriors and rogues have and paladins lack. Paladins have access to tons of gear, being a plate class. Not sure what you are thinking.
@@uni4rm Gear with the correct stats, obviously. The only deccent Plate with the correct stats is from... Naxx? Maybe. Point is, rogue either have high base numbers or scale with weapon damage and warriors scale with pure damage too. Paladins don't, or at least not well enough.
It's actually not at odd at all that an icon would be shared by many different abilities and have a name of an ability that doesn't exist anymore. As a programmer, you need to keep en eye on memory usage and code maintainability. So you'd reuse the same icon at every opportunity to save space. Once you've named that asset , and used it in your code, you don't want to go around changing things because you'd have to change it everywhere it appears and things can get convoluted. So it'd keep the first (or nearly) name you ever gave it, even if that ability doesn't exist anymore.
Man, I remember wondering about that Wing Clip icon. It didn't make much sense to me. Now I get it :D Edit: o, yep. Also wondered about Seal of Righteousness having a random flying hammer icon before.
Fck I want Thunderbolt O.O In fact, it's the ability that Thrall uses against Mannoroth in the Orc Campaign end cutscene! :O I always wanted to do that with my Doomhammer, but they didn't give me such beautiful skill =( And look at all those removed shaman skills... Lightning Storm seems like a beautiful spell :')
I would like to see something about the changes from vanilla until now. What was meta before and now? How did the focus of the game change during that time? What changed the game drastically?
Trip was clearly meant to be an ability for druid cat-form. As any cat owner will attest, cats think getting under your feet near the stairs and/or when you are carrying something heavy is the height of mirth.
Mind Rot would be really cool if it would drain mana each time the target casts a spell. Then slap a 2-3 min CD on it and priests would have a cool ability that would Change the enemies playstyle for a short time
About Holy Ward, i wanted to just point that you can absorb holy damage. In classic / vanilla versions, you can get the Holy Protection potion ( classic.wowhead.com/item=6053/recipe-holy-protection-potion ), which would give you a shield that absorbs holy damage only. I doubt it was because they didn't wanted you to absorb holy damage and leave it as a pure damage instead.
8:10 Wait, how is that weird? That a shadow based attacker has a spell that protects them from holy spells to me makes more sense than a fire-based attacker having protection from fire, the light is the natural enemy of the shadow...
That crusader strike ability would have made pallies stupid tough. Pallies are the only class I've ever gotten to max level, despite being the slowest to level. But that crusader strike... woah boy. Deals instant low cost Holy damage, with a stackable debuff that increases the holy damage the target takes? That single target dps would be just plain scary.
Dude, Shamans are already pretty op in Classic, but apparently in the old beta they were god incarnate lol Might as well have been the first Hero Class.
They were placeholder abilities, they needed buttons to push while running around in beta, unlike release paladins, they didn't need any buttons other than seals and judgement.
8: The icon is taken from warcraft 3, the origin of a lot of old icon names could indeed be tracked back to wc3, and this is one of many examples, the Human race hero Dwarven mountain king had Stormbolt, which the icon and effect/missile was named thunderbolt. 7: Mind Rot still exists in wc3 but its unused for any unit or hero. it has the same effect as you said, but as its unused it wasn't clear which unit was it intended for. Mana burn: its weird to me how do priests have mana burn because originally in warcraft 3 the night elf hero demon hunter or illidan has this ability, alongside the Fel Stalkers. 5: the icon of holy ward is used for undead unit Banshe in wc3 and its called Anti Magic Shell, originally it used to block a certain number of spell and magic damage to a target but another version that the units have to date is to just make them completely immune to spell and magic. 4: Side note, i'm almost 100% sure the stormbolt icon is just placeholder, but that aside, Paladins and Death Knights in warcraft 3 indeed to cancel eachother. with the most obvious example being Holy Light: which can heal non undead allies and damage undead for half the amount that's healed, and Death Coil: which can heal only undead, but deal half the damage to any non undead living units. 3: Sleep belongs to the Undead race hero the Dreadlord which does the same thing, except it makes the target invulnerable for 3 seconds and after that the effect can be interrupted if someone attacks the unit. (including friendlies which is how people counter the ability) 2: Yes Ethereal form is a shaman ability, the Tauren spirit walkers in warcraft 3 have this ability. and to add to it, any unit that gains ethereal status in wc3 takes increased damage from spells and magic attack type. and receives more healing. 1: about Lightning Storm: icon is called Call Storm, and originally in the beta of warcraft 3 the orc units apparently had what's known now the orc Warlocks that you only see in the campaigns. and instead of the Witch doctor/Shaman/Spirit walker, one of those units was the Warlock (or atleast it used the model of what's now known as warlock) which had this Call Storm ability and there are picture from it that can be seen in beta wc3 cover art.
Man mass hearth would be a good way to troll random people in the world. "hey wanna group for this elite" and then hearth after the kill only to find out their hearth was still set to the other side of the world.
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About paladins: "We just wanted to make paladins dps more boring than starting at your ceiling"
420PraiseIt I so want to yell at that guy telling him the place holder was much better and the seal system is garbage.
@@robertp457 Seals on their own were bad, but if they had put in beta crusader strike skills it would have been great together.
@@kmfdmman I would love to try that out. You could either replace Seal of the Crusader with Crusader Strike or let them work along so Paladins could build up this MASSIVE Holy Damage increase over time. And then they keep blasting with Holy Stike and Seal of Rightousness for incredible Holy Damage.
I think the Seal System would've been really cool if Pallys had more than just Seal and Judgement. (No, Exorcism doesnt count ^^)
@@bisalissy3846 Massive problem is that they give so much seals to us,but only one effect can be active, we can have only one blessing. They were so afraid to buff paladins, main problem is bubble. In those days skill cap of players was so low, so you will win almost always.
@@bisalissy3846 Hiru said it only stacked up to 5, a bit like shatter armor. But imagine the smite priest would do with 5 crusader strikes on the target.
Many of thsese spells have their origins in WC3 like ethereal form
came here to say something like this. Hiru might be too young to have played WC3, he does not know of the spirit walker!
@@PunkNinjaX Hiru is actually older than a good chunk of his viewers. I'm pretty sure he just never played WC. He started WoW at WotLK I think, so all of his info from before that xpac is purely him digging around online.
Thunderbolt also has a Wc3 icon
Warcraft 3 and WoW were actually developed side by side. It only seems like they borrow elements from Warcraft 3 because it saw release first when in actuality, they were just sharing assets and concepts. I had the same assumption for the longest time until I read The WoW Diary. Some spells just worked better mechanically in an RTS and less so in an MMO.
That's partially true but wc was out before wow well before it wasn't entile later that the original conan and eq inspired there team to make wow the dev cycles did not start at the same time and wow wasn't trutpy into it's dev cycles entill well into wc series u do know this is on interveiws from devs back then stating this right that they were not developed side by side but you know the devs that made the game and have made these statements in old interveiws they don't know what there talking about lulz
I'm not gonna lie man, I used to watch your Top 10 creepy wow videos a few years back when I was hunting TLPD
I was in a behavioral facility last year for suicidal behaviors and lost my PC due to it. Watching your videos reminds me of how happy I was playing wow, and makes me remember that even if it's just a silly video game, sometimes they can shape how you feel.
Your videos, because of the happiness wow gave me, makes me so happy.
I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your videos.
Never change
"It's just a silly video game" *noone liked that*
I hope your in a better head space now. Sorry you were in such a bad place.
They're gonna take my PC away if I get put in a behavioral facility?
That went from 0 to 100 real fast.
there is so much potential in this reality suicide is ridiculous. You only live this specific life once.
"Paladins originally had 4 abilities that could only be used on undead, which are useless for about 90% of the game"
Keep in mind that in the beta, forsaken players were considered undead instead of humanoids. So a Paladin could absolutely destroy a forsaken player in PvP.
Ye. Palas could fear undeads like forever xD
paladins are racist confirmed
@@coomercommander2554 ????
So maybe alliance/ horde ratio would have turned out more balanced, or all the forsaken would have just went orc.....
Counter to that if classified undead a Forsaken would be immune to charm, fear, sleep and polymorph so mages, warlocks and to a lesser extent priests would be destroyed by a Forsaken, although priests could use shackle undead.
Shaman: *has unique and useful abilities*
Blizzard: I'm about to end this mans whole career
And then they never stopped
I feel Shaman was a class with no identity until Cataclysm came around.
@@cabrondemente1 Also wrath was the first expansion where elemental and enhance weren't absolutely useless specs. It took blizzard like 4 years since vanilla to make them playable
It's funny, I never stopped and asked questions when I had to spend precious talents on a weapon skill or something everyone else just had to spend a few silver on (parry). I guess I was just too young to realize I was getting dicked over.
@@cabrondemente1 brother,resto shaman in wotlk was life of the game
The "seal of rightiousness" icon comes from warcraft 3, where the Mountain King hero unit had and ability called "Stormbolt" with that exact icon. The ability itself worked basically as paladin stun we have today with some good damage. That unit also had "Thunderclap" that got into wow as a warrior ability unchanged, a passive "Bash" that gave him a random proc to do more damage and stun on autoattacks, and an ultimate "Avatar" that game him a ton of hp, some armor, spell immunity and a good bit of extra dps for a short period
There was a time during the beta when Blizzard thought about making entirely new icons and other art assets for WoW, but I'm glad they used so much stuff from Warcraft 3. The art already looked good, it showed the continuity of the franchise, and it probably saved the artists tons of work.
Shadow Word: Befuddle having "shadow word" in it is also an indication that it was meant for shadow priests
Why? In vanilla you used every spell trees spells/abilities...
@@factbeaglesarebest Not if you were a priest
@@Arian545 no? every priest spec can use shadow word: pain for example
@@Healpotx And? it was still meant for shadow priests, in vanilla most classes had abilities they could use even if it wasn't useful for their specific spec.
Hell in vanilla shadow priests could use spells that would cancel shadowform, like clearly those were not actually intended to be used for shadow priests.
Something interesting I found out in the game files is that feign death was shown to be associated with the rogue class. Even to this day the feign death icon has rogue before it .
Ability name: Magical magey magic spell of magic magey mageyness
hirumaredx: There is a tiny probability of maybe potentially this possibly being eventually at some point a mage spell
Not really, when I heard Trip it was Feral Druid that came to my mind, since their claw swipes are usually at leg level.
@@cabrondemente1 that actually makes a lot of sense, also rogue already have 2 stuns in vanilla(idk if they also had 2 in beta) and druids have only one if i'm not wrong
Befuddle sounds like a Dragon Quest spell.
Fud
Fuddle
Befuddle
Or "Muddled" ... in the RPG Boardgame, GLOOMHAVEN.
Sound more like the developers were playing scrabble when thinking up names
Some shit on runescape lol
Codex: Lich Form
Classes: Gunther Arcanus
Required level: 90
Too bad he didn’t find it yet...
Couldn't sleep that is the best youtube random scrolling in a while !
Well, practically Thunderbolt got into game.
Warrior has a talent Stormbolt and it does same thing. + stun
Thats more of a Warcraft 3 nod, the human Mountain King which was a warrior hero had that.
Except he gets to keep his weapon
Don't play classic wow, but I really enjoy watching you explain how much more creative blizzard was back in the day
Thunder bolt uses the art and acts like the storm bolt from wc3, except it doesnt stun.
Call Storm was actually changed and given to druids as a spell called "Hurricane" - Same visuals and channeled for the duration. Like Hunter Volley.
“Lets remove fun, flavorful, unique, and interesting abilities. Did we miss anything? A class will simply be the highest form of fantasy attainable in the game.”
AKA rogues........stupidly OP.
Really weird motivation for the paladin, seeing as Crusader Strike was added in TBC and the Seal system didn't disappear until many expansions later. Tbh, it feels *odder* that the paladin has such a limited martial arsenal, considering they are (lorewise) knights with holy powers, not priests who bulked up enough to wear plate.
it feels like retribution should've at least had a +50% auto attack damage boost at the end of their talent tree or something, yeah
Lore-wise they started as priests from Northshire trained to fight if I recall. So at least the first wave were bulked up priests.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark That's not right, iirc. Alonsus Faol who chose them, found his paladins-to-be amongst the "knighthood of Lordaeron". Pious knights to be sure, but knights all the same.
@@adde27 I'm remembering older lore, maybe it was changed. Blizzard does that a lot these days.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark this is from Warcraft II, dunno how older you can get?
Seals as glowing enchants on a paladin weapon would've been a great idea.
ret paladins would've been awesome if they didn't scrap those abilities.
To anyone wondering about the icon spell names because they weren't talked about for some of the spells:
Blind (Shadow Word: Befuddle) icon name is spell_shadow_mindsteal. I have no idea what Mind Steal is
Anti Magic Shield (Holy Ward) icon file name is spell_shadow_antimagicshell
Hibernation (Sleep) icon file name is spell_nature_sleep
Ancestral Spirit (Ethereal Form) icon file name is actually spell_nature_regenerate. Regenerate is of the racials for normal trolls for all you Allys
Cooking Fire/Cozy Fire (Molten Blast) icon file name is spell_fire_fire
I love abilities that have bonuses against certain mob types. Was pretty sad when they effectively removed them.
Also a good chunk of these are based off unit abilities from WC3.
"Codex of Mind Rot"
Can't believe Beta World of Warcraft predicted Twitter
10:59. Ethereal Form is probably inspired by WC3's Spirit Walker.
I would dare to replace 'probably' with 'obviously' ..
Is the totem itself invisible? Cause if not I see some limits to it's effectiveness :)
It sounds like such a fun totem though, even if you would have to place it in sneaky positions. It would be super effective in some situations i'd imagine, and maybe even just plain broken in others.
Invisibilty is very interesting in wow, because unlike stealth, it involves prediction of enemy positions because you're phased if i recall correctly.
"Lmao, this shaman thinks he can hide from me, but I'll just destroy his totem."
*A full party of hordes turn visible.*
@@eiknaurjensen7927 put it behind objects and yure good to go, sounds interesting in bgs
There are some mobs in SFK that have the ability Shadow Word: Befuddle. Think it's the Sons of Arugal
just a curious question, at 11:15 what is that axe transmog you are using for that pally?
Very well made video Hiru!
Morning.
Edit: Group HS imagine the trolling possibilities lol
thats the first thing that came into my mind too, they would have to implement a "yes or no" to accept/decline the recall
And that's why we can't have nice things. LoL
We're gonna win! We're gonna win! *5 Healers get send to Orgrimmar. Kel'Thuzad kills everyone* *TrollingTroll laughs* *TrollingTroll was removed from the guild*
A few days ago i saw someone who made thumbnails simillar to yours, and before checking it out i was beginning to think ill have a second revelation. Like when i discovered you have a yu gi oh channel after watching your wow content for some time.
7:20 the gnome does a 360 snipe
Sleep did make it into the game as a form of CC for warlocks back in MoP when you had Metamorphosis that transformed your abilities into their "Demon" form, which did transform fear into sleep which worked somewhat like a fear but didn't make you run in circles and was much harder to break on damage
7:43 what about chaos damage? It crits or deals more damage most of the times because it deals every damage school and targets your lowest resistance. It also ignores most shields.
Chaos damage didn't exist back then. It was only frost, fire, nature, arcane, shadow, and holy. Wrath is when they started introducing new hybrid schools like shadowfrost, astral, chaos, etc.
Countdown to Classic is a great Podcast FYI :)
Dope video 👍
@hirumaredx in regards to trip a knock down is its own different type of CC and was until MoP or whenever they removed the warrior Throwdown ability that was given in cataclym. Knockdowns differed from stuns in that they were not pvp trinketable until blizzard made them so at a later date. If I remember correctly.
The icons also look more fitting to their old abilities.
Wait… I remember astral recall when leveling my Shaman in 2006. I specifically remember being asked to use it for the group in Deadmines. Not trying to be a stickler.. just interesting and curious. Might wanna check on that!
Fun fact the lightning storm icon has existed since the days of reign of chaos and it wasn't used in there either it was going to be a far seer ability but was later scrapped
Nice work. We need more like this! :D
In regards to Trip, some dwarves outside uldaman also use it
Call storm would have been really cool for the elemental shaman's flavour
This was a cool video, I like these beta info vids!
Also note that the icon for Holy Ward was reused for warlock's Ritual of Doom. Which requires a party of 5 players and randomly kills one to summon a doomguard. Which imo is much cooler than the retail version where you cast Curse of Doom and when it expires there is a tiny chance to summon one. If Curse of Doom even exists in the live version of the game anymore, idk.
Trash in Armory still has the OG Crusader Strike!
I got really jealous as a Palli.
because they are the OG Crusaders
It would be nice to see the abilities hero units used on warcraft 3 and how many of those were transfered to wow and to what class.
What song did you use from around 3:00?
first thing i thought seeing group astral recall was the trolling potential
In W3 was Spirit Walker (Ethereal). Those were Tauren casters in Ethereal Form (avoid physical damage).
So Blizz copy past skill from TFT ;)
It's a bit odd Blizzard didn't add the "you take 33% extra damage/healing from spells" to the beta wow spell.
I wish Blizzard would have made a Spirit Walker class for Tauren and left Druid to Night Elves.
Me seeing the beginning "YOU MANIACS, YOU BLEW IT UP, DAMN YOU- GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL"
Molten Blast isnt the chain lighting when u use the Talent Ascendent?
Great video! I think, I haven't actually watched it yet.
Remember when thrall threw his hammer at mannoroth in that one cinematic where grom kills mannoroth? I think that's what they were were trying to do with thunderbolt for shamans.
For number 2 a similar ability to what shamanes had was added in legion as well as aspect of the turtle. it is basically the same thing but the time is reduced to 8 seconds
People need to understand that even if they had put Holy/Crusader Strike into the game, ret paladins would have still been bad because of itemization. All their abilities scale off holy/spell damage and until AQ40/Naxx there are next to no items for them. That and the fact that spamming those 2 abilities would oom them just like a boomkin.
Probably, but consider that they were already working on the Seal system, so a Paladin could Judge with Seal of Wisdom to get mana back while attacking. It would have also gave them spammable attacks to gain Agro if they were tanking. Also, while going oom on raids is bad, it beats doing nothing but autoattack most of the time then casting two damage abilities, then go back to autoattacking.
MrZurata: Its matter of simple balance. It would only need to prolong the paladin buffs so they doesnt have to spam them during fights. As well as not consume the active seal when you use jugment.
Then with these abilities beside the Seal system, it would actualy be playable and fun class. It wouldnt be top DPS but it would be playable.
You must be joking. Tier 2 is all spell damage gear which is available way before AQ, and no, not all paladin abilities scale off of holy/spell damage, either. SoC scales off of weapon damage, and so would have Crusader Strike.
@@uni4rm I would like to see on a vanilla private server with said abilities restored if Pallys are viable dps. Would be an interesting experiment. Or if Blizzard decides to make a "vanilla+" with scrapped content restored and finished (like Azshara Crater), then have those abilities back.
What is that awesome chiptunes music in the end??
What is the music at 8:00?
When you show Invisibility Totem there's another totem called agitating totem, was it just an early version of Stoneclaw Totem or something different? Also, i remember using wayback machine to look up very early versions of allakhazam (which people used before thottbot, which was before wowhead) and it showed a hunter ability called glimpse of instincts or something like that, and another ability called lend pet, this might be material for another video.
Wonder of group astral recall was also meant to work on the whole raid too, and as a whole it's no mystery why it was removed, because it's a massive troll ability!! Kind of like how mages can troll with the portals but on a bigger scale!
Scenario 1: Get all 40 people to the raid then enter. Funny shaman casts a sneaky group astral recall.
Scenario 2: A shaman can effectively hold the whole group as hostage like " Give me the that item, or i teleport everyone home" Kicking the shaman doesn't work, because the ability would have been bugged and still teleport everyone back!!
What is the begenning background song i need to know plz someone
the icon for the trip ability also is used for the gnome racial escape artist
Bruh that invisibility totem would hve been amazing in pvp.
Group astral recall seems like it could be used to troll unless it asked players if they wanted to teleport
Its funny that you think trip may be a rogue ability but you are not sure, if you take a look at 3:04 of this video you can clearly see the spellbook of a rogue with rogue abilities in it like kidney shot, rupture, garrote, feint, and trip.. i think its fair to assume with those evidence that it is indeed a rogue ability.
Thunderbolt uses the same icon as Stormbolt from Warcraft 3, btw.
I'm not buying that reason for removing all those damage spells for paladins. If you look at the list of abilities under Ret on Classic it's so painfully obvious they simply gutted it because they either couldn't think of a way or run out of time to balance it. Even with something like a 12 second cooldown Crusader Strike would have helped hugely in making Ret actually half decent to play, and just put it at the bottom of the Ret tree instead of that crappy Repentance.
Paladin just didn't have the gear to DPS, even if the abilities were there. It all scaled with Spell power/Holy damage, and there's no gear for it really.
@@Bladius_ What? A spammable ability is exactly what warriors and rogues have and paladins lack. Paladins have access to tons of gear, being a plate class. Not sure what you are thinking.
@@uni4rm Gear with the correct stats, obviously.
The only deccent Plate with the correct stats is from... Naxx? Maybe.
Point is, rogue either have high base numbers or scale with weapon damage and warriors scale with pure damage too. Paladins don't, or at least not well enough.
It's actually not at odd at all that an icon would be shared by many different abilities and have a name of an ability that doesn't exist anymore. As a programmer, you need to keep en eye on memory usage and code maintainability. So you'd reuse the same icon at every opportunity to save space. Once you've named that asset , and used it in your code, you don't want to go around changing things because you'd have to change it everywhere it appears and things can get convoluted. So it'd keep the first (or nearly) name you ever gave it, even if that ability doesn't exist anymore.
Man, I remember wondering about that Wing Clip icon. It didn't make much sense to me. Now I get it :D
Edit: o, yep. Also wondered about Seal of Righteousness having a random flying hammer icon before.
Invisibility totem is actually used by Thrall in the scenario where you rescue Baine with Saurfang to sneak past the guards.
I played beta and I remember some of these abilities. Pallys were a mess back then. Even upon release the seal system was horrible to play with
Fck I want Thunderbolt O.O
In fact, it's the ability that Thrall uses against Mannoroth in the Orc Campaign end cutscene! :O I always wanted to do that with my Doomhammer, but they didn't give me such beautiful skill =(
And look at all those removed shaman skills... Lightning Storm seems like a beautiful spell :')
I would like to see something about the changes from vanilla until now. What was meta before and now? How did the focus of the game change during that time? What changed the game drastically?
I need to say Befuddle more :P
Trip was clearly meant to be an ability for druid cat-form. As any cat owner will attest, cats think getting under your feet near the stairs and/or when you are carrying something heavy is the height of mirth.
Mind Rot would be really cool if it would drain mana each time the target casts a spell. Then slap a 2-3 min CD on it and priests would have a cool ability that would Change the enemies playstyle for a short time
About Holy Ward, i wanted to just point that you can absorb holy damage. In classic / vanilla versions, you can get the Holy Protection potion ( classic.wowhead.com/item=6053/recipe-holy-protection-potion ), which would give you a shield that absorbs holy damage only. I doubt it was because they didn't wanted you to absorb holy damage and leave it as a pure damage instead.
wait but there's a potion of holy protection that you can pick up at a low level
8:10 Wait, how is that weird? That a shadow based attacker has a spell that protects them from holy spells to me makes more sense than a fire-based attacker having protection from fire, the light is the natural enemy of the shadow...
We finally got to see ben Bainmaine when you were talking about paladins lol
4:58 this may just be because it's the icon for the Thunderbolt ability in W3
It was Storm bolt in Warcraft 3.
Nice video, but you should have looked at WC3 abilities. Thunderbolt and Ethereal form are clearly from Warcraft 3
The troll potential for group astral recall
"You didn't give me the epic drop from Naxx? Okay." (Starts casting group astral recall )
I have heard of mind rot, i wonder if any npcs use it, or did it come from wc3?
For those who don't know the Thunderbolt ability was most likely modeled after an ability Thrall used during the cinematic against Mannoroth
12:40 Astral Recall was given to Shaman, but the HS effect was just for themselves. Still exists.
That crusader strike ability would have made pallies stupid tough.
Pallies are the only class I've ever gotten to max level, despite being the slowest to level. But that crusader strike... woah boy.
Deals instant low cost Holy damage, with a stackable debuff that increases the holy damage the target takes?
That single target dps would be just plain scary.
Shaman was already insanly powerfull at the start of vanila... With all these stuff, it would be extremely stupid.
Polymorph was definitely different from Warcraft 2 then in wow. In Warcraft 2 polymorph also did damage to the enemy's who was a sheep.
Dude, Shamans are already pretty op in Classic, but apparently in the old beta they were god incarnate lol Might as well have been the first Hero Class.
"I could tell it's for priests"
No shit, it says shadow word
Holy Ward was for Warlocks. 🙄
They were placeholder abilities, they needed buttons to push while running around in beta, unlike release paladins, they didn't need any buttons other than seals and judgement.
11:00 didn't know goblins were playable in beta...
8: The icon is taken from warcraft 3, the origin of a lot of old icon names could indeed be tracked back to wc3, and this is one of many examples, the Human race hero Dwarven mountain king had Stormbolt, which the icon and effect/missile was named thunderbolt.
7: Mind Rot still exists in wc3 but its unused for any unit or hero. it has the same effect as you said, but as its unused it wasn't clear which unit was it intended for.
Mana burn: its weird to me how do priests have mana burn because originally in warcraft 3 the night elf hero demon hunter or illidan has this ability, alongside the Fel Stalkers.
5: the icon of holy ward is used for undead unit Banshe in wc3 and its called Anti Magic Shell, originally it used to block a certain number of spell and magic damage to a target but another version that the units have to date is to just make them completely immune to spell and magic.
4: Side note, i'm almost 100% sure the stormbolt icon is just placeholder, but that aside, Paladins and Death Knights in warcraft 3 indeed to cancel eachother. with the most obvious example being Holy Light: which can heal non undead allies and damage undead for half the amount that's healed, and Death Coil: which can heal only undead, but deal half the damage to any non undead living units.
3: Sleep belongs to the Undead race hero the Dreadlord which does the same thing, except it makes the target invulnerable for 3 seconds and after that the effect can be interrupted if someone attacks the unit. (including friendlies which is how people counter the ability)
2: Yes Ethereal form is a shaman ability, the Tauren spirit walkers in warcraft 3 have this ability. and to add to it, any unit that gains ethereal status in wc3 takes increased damage from spells and magic attack type. and receives more healing.
1: about Lightning Storm: icon is called Call Storm, and originally in the beta of warcraft 3 the orc units apparently had what's known now the orc Warlocks that you only see in the campaigns. and instead of the Witch doctor/Shaman/Spirit walker, one of those units was the Warlock (or atleast it used the model of what's now known as warlock) which had this Call Storm ability and there are picture from it that can be seen in beta wc3 cover art.
Thunderbolt + Weapon Chain = Marvel's Thor
WoW if #10 wasnt removed Ret paladins actually would of been probably pretty damn good in pve and especially PvP when Geared out.
Nah they just go oom
Man mass hearth would be a good way to troll random people in the world. "hey wanna group for this elite" and then hearth after the kill only to find out their hearth was still set to the other side of the world.
Need to bring back true damage for holy abilities and spells.
Skillshots on Muradin are best in the video, haha!
Should've kept thunderbolt for ench shamans since that's how Thrall attacks in war3. Instead it's palas carrying mk nerfed ability
The ability literally uses the same icon as storm bolt, and you're gonna tell me it's based off of Thrall?
@@eiknaurjensen7927
i dont know what was based on what but storm bolt is basically random generic nuke+stun.
Trip also uses elite dwarf mob in front of Uldaman dungeon.