Xelnath was the best class designer.mop had the absolute best class design. But blizzard fires him because their ego they Didnt share his vision. Now look what state the game is in.
I have fond memories of Metamorphosis, topping dps meters as Demonology was fun, although, it was not fun essentially having my own pull timer seeing as I pulled threat off tanks super easily.
I remember when wotlk hit and everyone was playing Deathknights and we ran Hellfire Ramparts with 5 deathknights trying to heal each other with death coil that was fun.
Deathknights were so god damn op back then especiall in the lvl 40-50 and 50-60 bracket. Coming out of their starting zone completely blue geared and overpowered. I remember battleground being decided simply by what side had more DK's.
I remember 5dps heroics. Our team was a ret pally enh shaman and 3 death knights. The occasional offheal from the shaman or rets instants combined with deathsrike in full icc gear would make our daily heroic quest take about 10 to 20 minutes tops
@@kylehaun8192 Always mained as a Spriest. 3 Dk, enh shaman or ret pally, and my VE heals. It worked because I also pulled the aggro. Burn a boss, pull aggro, Disperse, and die, kite, or they kill it.
@@rumers100 I wish it was just rebalanced and nerfed instead of getting completely removed though, feels weird when you mained rogue back then to come back to it and have it gone. Like having a bigger cooldown, or draining the whole energy bar instead of just 30. There were plenty of options and they chose the no fun police, easy lazy way of balancing it, which was removing it.
It wasn't a baseline ability, but in at the start of MoP shamans had either a glyph or a talent that let the cast lightning bolt while moving. It was amazing to be a mobile caster for once, and then it got removed.
It was a major glyph In cata and it WAS baseline to the lightning bolt ability in MoP, so you didn't have to glyph it to be able to cast it while moving.
symbiosis was a super fun ability on my druid main back in mop, but the ability I miss now even more is Displacer Beast, having a blink as a druid was amazing being able to skip some mechanics in raid, or remove cc's or avoid fall damage (like off the LM cliff in AB) in pvp. You will be missed by many druids.
I miss Symbiosis. It was such a cool hybridisation idea. Imagine if Symbiosis came back and could be used together with X Affinity talents, even if either or both got reworked or nerfed. Imagine Symbiosis giving the target the passive benefits of the Druid’s Affinity talent. I’m not sure what the Druid would get per class/spec in return.
Yeah, lots of spells were broken in pvp cata/mop, but damn were they fun and in a weird way since every class had broken funny spells it was balanced in its own weird way, and mostly the most enjoyable and fun way to experience pvp i've ever had playing the game for years.
@@Carpatouille honestly mop was the best time to PVP. While it got crazy at times everyone could do crazy stuff so you had to be strategic and actually know when you could and couldn't use you CDS. I miss it.
5. As a DK main, having a Druid cast Symbiosis on me and getting Wild Mushroom: Plague was so much fun. Being able to set a mushroom down that applied _both_ diseases to _all_ enemies within range of the mushroom every couple seconds was so good, since back then there was only Plague Strike and Icy Touch - two single-target abilities - to apply your two diseases, and diseases back then had a _much_ shorter duration. 4. Also, for Mana Burning abilities, you forgot the original Blood Elf racials - Mana Tap and the original Arcane Torrent. Back in BC, Arcane Torrent restored resources based on how many stacks of Empowerment you had, and you got a stack every time you used Mana Tap (which had a 30 sec cd, but the buff had a decent duration of like 3 min), and Mana Tap sapped a % of the enemy's max man. Then you could use Arcane Torrent (only if you had at least 1 stack of Empowerment) to restore a % of your resource (mana for every class other than rogue, energy for rogue; BElves couldn't be Warriors back then) based on the number of stacks consumed. 2. I wish they'd kept the very first version of this ability. That was the most fun version of that really fun talent IMO. MoP Lock was just real fun in many ways. (*cough* Blizz should totally bring back Dark Apotheosis and/or give Locks a Tank spec *cough*)
I remember unholy dks used to have a talent i think that'd cause every target with your diseases on it to aoe in a small area, you'd use it to tank/kill the whelps on Onyxia for example but my computer/net was so shit I'd get DCed doing it, this was back when you could tank in any spec.
I miss being able to cast lightning bolt while moving AND gaining mana every time I did for my Resto. Chaining LBs into my healing rotation was tons of fun, especially when pushing Cutting Edge HC content.
@@mfranks4731 I'm pretty sure it's a case of "never hearing the word being pronounced out loud but seeing it enough to be familiar with it". You'd be surprised how people pronounce shit like "chitin".
good old burst of speed. i still remember going on a massive dungeon binge when they announced that it was going to be cut. will always love that spell
I wish Kil'Jaeden's cunning was still in the game in some form or way, don't really like fire mages compared to warlocks even if I'm glad you still can cast while moving with them at least.
Probably can make a whole video of top 10 abilities removed for being Too Good, based on just hunter and hunter pet abilities alone... One for example was the aspect of the fox ability during MoP.. which allowed you to cast while moving, so items like Hardened Shell (equivalent to Net-O-Matic today), you could use on any flying target, no matter how high, by just dismounting (glider optional), pop aspect of the fox, and cast the dismount ability which normally requires you to stand still to cast. Also during MoP, is that hunters were able to self-rez themselves for a while before it got patched and later removed entirely.. with new pets like the Quilen/Crane with an instant battle-rez ability, you'd have a macro for the pet to target you and cast their rez spell.. and when you're about to die, spam it like crazy and if timed right, your pet would rez you the instant you died. Also can't forget Hunter's frozen ammo added during WoD, made hunter's virtually untouchable by any melee class as it would slow a target by 50% for 3 seconds however would reapply with every autoshot which shot every 2 sec with no DR. So in otherwords, you were slowed by 50% 100% of the time. It especially crippled classes such as DKs, as at the time they had nothing to break or immune slows, and hunter's would just disengage their death grips: ua-cam.com/video/usOfPPp6NVI/v-deo.html Lastly just OP pets in general back pre-WoD.. How hunters were able to virtually solo any content, how their tank spec pets were able to hold aggro and were virtually immune to most boss/mob abilities which allowed hunters to solo even current tier dungeons and even some raid bosses (if no excessive raid wide damage or group mechanics). Anyone remember those times when a wipe occurred but a MVP hunter deterrenced and lived through a raid wipe and they finish off the last few % of the boss while their pet held complete aggro?
Frozen ammo was absolutely broken I remember kiting a fury warrior (when sudden death was crazy) I felt bad for him because I was absolutely untouched the whole fight which was absurd and moving while casting aim shit was also broke. To
And don't forget that dk spell that converted runic power to health. It was there since mop but I remember at the beginning of WOD it was broken along side with how strong dks were
Lazyness and greed killed the fun of the game, and unironically with shitty pve procs and corruption the game has never been this unbalanced and unfun than today. And most classes have the same kind of abilities and gameplay. At least back then, everyone had broken spells so it was kind of balanced. Everyone who PvP'd at end of MoP will tell you this was the most balanced state the game ever was in PvP, for 90% of the classes, and also a very fun time to do so with all the uniqueness in each one with all the fun spells that existed.
Oh wow...I haven't played priest since mid-WoD, had no idea they got rid of Cascade. That's a real shame. If nothing else, it was a gorgeous spell; like a little fireworks show.
Advanced Drain Life was exceptional for Warlocks, probably the best AoE grind ability in the game at the time that it came out. I remember using it in the starting zone of whichever expansion it was introduced and AoE pulling literally 20 fast respawning mobs, and being unkillable. That got nerfed pretty quickly as I recall
Burst of speed really made me love playing my rogue, that was still with old combat spec before they changed it to outlaw. It was so nice because as you already pointed out it made running old dungeons extremely OP. I remember using it in LBRS pickpocket runs to farm Ravenholdt rep. Good times .. :)
I stopped playing in Cataclysm. I hated how my PvE abilities got nerfed and messed with all the time, just because there was some balance issue in PvP. They should have balanced PvP and PvE separately.
he's literally making shit up. he has no evidence or real reasoning just an assumption those things were removed because of "pvp" inn reality pvpers want as MANY options as possible to counter other pkayers...NOT A SINGLE pvper would have wanted almost ANY of these abilities pruned minus the mana drain ones. pls stop feeding into that false narrative
@@JB-xl2jc We absolutely despise the pruned garbage and ever since we've seen a STEEP drop off in participation. also there is a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE between complaining and wanting something removed LOL pls don't tell me you're serious with that
shadow of death + Darkmoon Card: twisting nether were pretty hilarious in WOTLK, the darkmoon card got no cd so if you're lucky enough with that 10% chance to be able to resurrect you could ress -> die and become a ghoul for a 2nd, 3rd etc time until you run out of luck.
Warlock Metamorphosis where we could become a massive ball of demonic death basically. Was so powerful and fun to use. Too bad it was removed when they decided to give it to the new op class Demon Hunter.
I used to have a Sap Stealth macro to hunt other rogues and druids. Was great. Never was mad that I couldn't stealth on FF because I mostly had great father winter dead or Big Bomb Pet (Self Destruct) the AH. Hint these were in vanilla. I got 2 accounts banned for these things. 1 big bomb pet ORG AH causing server crash. 1 big bomb pet IF AH (My own Faction) causing a server crash.
I remember at the Blizzcon for Legion Frost DKs were told an ability to self res similar to reincarnation. When I played Legion for myself and didnt see this ability I was dissapointed. I am not forgiving you for this Blizzard.
One thing worth noting about Shadow of Death is that the ghoul's suicide explosion ability did a flat amount of damage balanced around the assumption that the player was level 80. This damage did not scale down at low levels. So if you were level 61 in Hellfire Peninsula and managed to kill a level 61 Unholy DK, he could come back as a ghoul and explode on your face for 300% of your maximum HP.
In cata I mained arms warrior and we would shattering throw on the spawning adds on madness to increase the hunters/ rogue/ warrior burst. Or used on lust with longer fights on burn phases. I always wondered if the armor pen helped caster classes or our ret pally!! Love the videos!
I miss the version of KJs Cunning for passive filler movement and Shadow of Death a lot. One that i guess isn’t technically removed but got fully overhauled for being too good was the MoP Hunter’s Stampede, the ability i miss most of all.
Immunity removal abilities had a short cooldown compared to the immunity ones. A warrior could shatter a bubble and an iceblock before the first bubble is ready again.
@@korpen2858 You act like paladins bubbles are the most amazing thing in the game when they really aren't. Whether disellable or otherwise, if you struggled with their bubbles so much the struggle is with you.
Burst of Speed in Ashran was one of my favourite moments in WoW. Zipping around the battlefield while stealthed and pickpocketing people for their fragments was amazing.
Cascade wasn't just good, it was fun to use. Sure, you'd just press a button and do a ton of healing for no effort whatsoever, but watching those streams of light bounce around while massively healing your team just felt so good. It really was too easy to use compared to the other two though, not surprised it got purged.
Ah yes, I remember the days of Deep Freeze and then 6 consecutive Ice Lances. Basically if your pvp trinket is on cooldown, you're dead and there's nothing you can do about it.
The worst part was that honestly, I thought deep freeze was balance until I think it was mist or WoD, where they made ice lances did a shit ton of damage and actually was shot out faster. Back in Wrath and Cata, when you stunned you did the frostbolt/icelance combo and not pure icelance. In shadow lands they need to make it that frost bolt should be cast for the combo to get the most out of it and id say its balance, that or make the stun a 4 sec stun since haste is a thing.
Patch 6.1.0 (24-Feb-2015): Deep Freeze's stun effect now always breaks on damage from Ice Lance or Ice Nova, but no longer has a chance to break from other damage sources. They already fixed this quite a while ago. It was mostly used for easier Polys on healers.
God I miss Burst of Speed so much. I remember there was a combination of spec and talents that let you infinitely run as fast as a 100% ground mount AND be in stealth as well.
Burst of Speed was incredible. Combined with certain talents and glyphs, it meant you could be as fast as a ground mount WHILE stealthed. I miss it so much.
Oh man i remember getting so frustrated with early DKs in PVP. They were already way to strong but even if you managed to kill one they came back and you had to kill them again! Good times...
9:43 "eventually blizzard learned that passive cleanses were kind of broken" Yeah until legion when paladins got "pure of heart" literally cutting assassination rogues damage in half if a paladin was in the group. It was even worse since it dispelled every global and was an aura, and not a killable totem.
@@Kakyoin489 ...40% your damage came from stacking poisons + procs in this era, and your bleed ticks on a poisoned target gave you energy. It dispelled every global so you never got energy. You were starved the whole game with nothing you could do about it. FoK wouldnt solve anything in this scenario. Blizzard eventually acknowledged how broken it was and nerfed it.
Being Aff and being able to move is nice and all, but I worked really hard for my Green Fire, and by the -Love- Hate of Sargeras, I *WILL* stay Destro, doesnt matter if my spec is crippled.
@@Jeryyyyyy875 Really? Havent played since the Start of BFA (All chars leveled to max lvl), mostly due to Friends waiting for Shadowlands, and all I've heard are salty Destro Locks complaining, so I had guessed it was underperforming.
I loved mist walk talent for mistweaver monks, you could chi torpedo 30 yards and put yourself in range of an ally to mist walk onto them which was another 25 yards. So in a battleground in the span of two globals you could go 55 yards which gets you out of range of any enemy who is near you. AND YOU COULD DO BOTH MOVES TWICE. So many different combos to get you out of literally any situation. Insane mobility
I remember a server where you could use monk long range teleportation to steal enemy flag from more than half the map through walls and cap it in like 10 sec.
Alter time was what made mage special for me in MoP. It was extremely good (especially with snapshotting) but very hard to use properly, so it got heavily modified in WoD. Finally, it was removed in legion. I honestly haven't enjoyed fire mage since :(
What about Legion Emerald Nightmare Surrender to Madness? Not really removed, but might aswell be removed, since nobody plays it anyway since 2+ years.
@@Arthas35788 It was good on multiple fights. It was the first time i was actually excited every pull, because i knew that id either die, doing 0 dmg or be a complete god. No other class had/has this type of min/maxing with the excitement bound to it. I liked the fact, that there was actually a difference between good and less good players for once, since it made me WANT to become good, instead of just being decent, because you have a 2 button rotation that you can do while sleeping.
I knew the duel logs had a wow channel but i couldn't remember the name. This was recommended to me probably because i started wow again, so glad i found you :D
Your information on Cascade is partially incorrect. Halo was much better for Shadow Priest than cascade in terms of damage, but also harder to use. People absolutely did use Halo and did so over Divine Star pretty frequently.
Richard kesterson III Death Siphon. Cool thing I enjoyed about it was at the lower levels if t crier I could 1 shot mobs. Around the nagrand leveling area I just remember one shotting Zebras and Clefhooves and broken.
You forgot to mention the most important feature of Shadow of Death, which was that if you had it, and then used the corpse explosion ability of the ghoul to kill yourself, you didn't lose any durability for dying.
Dude. You missed off the DK's original _Corpse Explosion_ which made a corpse explode for shadow damage to all enemies within 20 yards. It wasn't mentioned, but this also worked on your pet ghoul, which caused even more damage. As an added bonus, mob corpses became bitting meat-sacs, or bone fragments. It took a number of nerfs, until finally being removed in Cata. It was later re-added as a flavor glyph, but only for the effect
About Burst of Speed. There was also rogue talent that increased your movement speed in stealth by 20% so you can perma run almost like a mount in stealth
Shamans were very good at interrupts in WotLK if I remember correctly. In Vanilla and BC, they could only interrupt with Earth shock. Had the advantage of being ranged, doing nature damage and slowing enemy attacks by 10%. Disadvantage being shared cooldown with other shocks and being in global cooldown. In WotLK, the interrupt function was removed from Earth shock, and instead given to a new ability Wind shear. And that was extremely powerful, cause it negated both of the cooldown disadvantages while retaining the advantage of being ranged and only having 6 second cooldown. For all 3 specs. You almost couldn't cast a spell when facing a Shaman. They didn't remove the ability, only increased the cooldown to 15 seconds. But that changed how extremely useful it was to the point it doesn't really feel like the same spell anymore. Interrupting every 6 seconds was fun :D
Kil'jaeden's cunning? Oh please, Blizz has removed Demonology Metamorphosis because if they shiped DH in Legion with MoP/WoD Demonology around, DH would looked like a cheap-half beaked copy of a great spec.
@@spinodino3634 I will never understand the OBSESSION over necromancer. It will never be in the game because it makes no sense when death knights and warlocks exist. Just find or make a custom model that turns demonology warlocks' pets into skeletons, there ya go - necromancer made.
@@XAn0nymousX0 It was satire, though not very easy to understand. I have zero care for necromancer, though I will keep my statement about the DH 4 buttons stuff. The only thing I'm really 'obsessed' of to get in the game is a dragon race, c'mon Blizzy, give me at least something like a dragon to play as.
The Mage talent "Prismatic Crystal" added in WoD and removed in Legion was seriously fucking broken. Mages could kill 2 or 3 enemies almost instantly when it was used... I loved it.
Kil'jaden Cunning remind me of Fire Mage ice floes. It got removed for Fire Mage in Legion. Because of the Bracer legendary, a proc that increases the damage of non-instant Pyroblast by 300%. Pyroblast has a super long cast time that you only use as a pre-cast before pulling something or you have the Hot Streak proc which make it instant. A fire mage hard-casting Pyroblast while walking is too good. They doubled down on this by adding PvP talent, Flame canon and Greater Pyroblast. Which basically make you want to just stand still and spam Greater Pyroblast (tip: if you see an enemy fire mage doing this... please target them...)
This video is just a giant “Blizzard: FunDetected” meme. I get removing exploiting abilities, but removing certain abilities that could probably have an easy balance is just lazy.
The big issue with deep freeze wasn't that the target remained frozen but rather than it was an instant CC that allowed for an uncontested follow sheep CC chain. It also did significant damage in PvE and would be used on CD or during burst windows to maximize damage.
I still remember that glorious patch during WotLK in which we Enhancement Shamys had the Earthen Power talent, which basically gave our Earthgrab Totem a constant Hand of Freedom. It was just too good: debuffing enemies with a 50% slow while being immune to any Slow for the duration of the totem. Best part was: you could pair it with Cleansing Totem, since both skills used different reagents (Earth totem and Water totem). Man, I could easily fight off any DK, back when DK's were kings of PvP. Ah... such good times...
"We need to rebalance pets!"
"Why?"
"Every arena is full of abandoned monkeys!"
Well I'm glad I'm not the only one... kinda hard to take someone seriously when they can't pronounce anything
Dethglock I’m pretty sure you can’t dismiss pets mid match right now anyway
You should really do a video about the most unique Glyphs over the years.
One word - Dark Apotheosis =)
Blizzard really annhilated Inscription.. sad
no rap bap
@@jonperans Activizzard
Dark Apotheosis, the best glyph they ever made and in my book, the most missed, as it hinted at how incredibly fun a warlock tank spec would be.
basically Mists of Pandaria had the best Abilities in wow
Yeah. Mists was my fav xpac in the game, beautiful zones for its time, the most flavorful ability’s which made each class fun and unique :o
MoP was great all around and I PvPd entirely too much that xpac as a frost mage main it was so much fun.
MoP was literally the peak of pvp and in general it wasn't the best but it was really fucking good compared to WOD and legion
@@needahero1983 I agree
Xelnath was the best class designer.mop had the absolute best class design. But blizzard fires him because their ego they Didnt share his vision. Now look what state the game is in.
Honorable mention: Demonology warlock's metamorphosis. The only time a cloth wearer could be a real tank
First boss groot? Twin emp?
@@PennyAfNorberg ICC blood Council.
@@johnnyguillotine1673 we used a mage for that a lot easier
I have fond memories of Metamorphosis, topping dps meters as Demonology was fun, although, it was not fun essentially having my own pull timer seeing as I pulled threat off tanks super easily.
@@Linkforlife199 LoL yeah sure.
I remember when wotlk hit and everyone was playing Deathknights and we ran Hellfire Ramparts with 5 deathknights trying to heal each other with death coil that was fun.
Deathknights were so god damn op back then especiall in the lvl 40-50 and 50-60 bracket. Coming out of their starting zone completely blue geared and overpowered.
I remember battleground being decided simply by what side had more DK's.
Lol good times. Greater blood presence would heal the entire group so everyone would stack it
I remember 5dps heroics. Our team was a ret pally enh shaman and 3 death knights. The occasional offheal from the shaman or rets instants combined with deathsrike in full icc gear would make our daily heroic quest take about 10 to 20 minutes tops
@@kylehaun8192 ooooooh I 'member.
@@kylehaun8192 Always mained as a Spriest. 3 Dk, enh shaman or ret pally, and my VE heals. It worked because I also pulled the aggro.
Burn a boss, pull aggro, Disperse, and die, kite, or they kill it.
I COULDN’T AGREE WITH BURST OF SPEED MORE! It was so nice to run old dungeons and raids!
its less of an issue with speed sets now
I was very upset to see this one go away, but now I main dh.. so..
Well in Pvp was kinda OP.
4 seconds 60% speed, no CD and remove any slow or freez when used.
burst of speed should've never existed.. it's a broken ability, mobility is already retarded in the game
@@rumers100 I wish it was just rebalanced and nerfed instead of getting completely removed though, feels weird when you mained rogue back then to come back to it and have it gone. Like having a bigger cooldown, or draining the whole energy bar instead of just 30. There were plenty of options and they chose the no fun police, easy lazy way of balancing it, which was removing it.
I miss symbiosis. I miss getting “wrath” as a Ret paladin. It would usually crit and do a ton of damage
Grant Shepherd it’s back in shadow lands
@@kingpengu5027 but then you would have to give up convoke and no one is doing that
It wasn't a baseline ability, but in at the start of MoP shamans had either a glyph or a talent that let the cast lightning bolt while moving. It was amazing to be a mobile caster for once, and then it got removed.
It was baseline and it was great
It was a major glyph In cata and it WAS baseline to the lightning bolt ability in MoP, so you didn't have to glyph it to be able to cast it while moving.
I really missed elemental shamans in MoP. Lava burst doing hella damage ✅ mobile caster ✅ All spec were good ✅must be MoP shamans
Really sad that they removed gust of wind from shamans :(
I never understood that, the enemies move as fast as you do anyway so what's the point?
symbiosis was a super fun ability on my druid main back in mop, but the ability I miss now even more is Displacer Beast, having a blink as a druid was amazing being able to skip some mechanics in raid, or remove cc's or avoid fall damage (like off the LM cliff in AB) in pvp. You will be missed by many druids.
I miss Symbiosis. It was such a cool hybridisation idea. Imagine if Symbiosis came back and could be used together with X Affinity talents, even if either or both got reworked or nerfed.
Imagine Symbiosis giving the target the passive benefits of the Druid’s Affinity talent. I’m not sure what the Druid would get per class/spec in return.
It's one of the covenant abilities in Shadowlands!
@@CodemanB2 i saw that too.
Proly night fae.
Still no fucking clue how they plan to balance it.
I'm still salty about them removing insect swarm. Besides it's unique debuff, it was also flavorful for druids.
"cass-cayd" not "causs-cayd"
As in a cascading waterfall.
yeah I was getting annoyed at his fancy-pants pronunciation...
good old hirumaredx pronouncing basic shit wrong.
What CoolCola said.
@@Preacher_. I swear he must not be a native English speaker secretly cause he does this shit all the time.
Nah, Hiru's just like that.
Mages alter time ability was probably my favorite removed ability that wasn't on the list, hope one day it will return.
well u got ur wish
think logically, does it sound balanced at all ? use your brain
It's coming back in Shadowlands, but it's going to be the WoD version. Doesn't keep your dps buffs.
Yeah, lots of spells were broken in pvp cata/mop, but damn were they fun and in a weird way since every class had broken funny spells it was balanced in its own weird way, and mostly the most enjoyable and fun way to experience pvp i've ever had playing the game for years.
@@Carpatouille honestly mop was the best time to PVP. While it got crazy at times everyone could do crazy stuff so you had to be strategic and actually know when you could and couldn't use you CDS. I miss it.
5. As a DK main, having a Druid cast Symbiosis on me and getting Wild Mushroom: Plague was so much fun. Being able to set a mushroom down that applied _both_ diseases to _all_ enemies within range of the mushroom every couple seconds was so good, since back then there was only Plague Strike and Icy Touch - two single-target abilities - to apply your two diseases, and diseases back then had a _much_ shorter duration.
4. Also, for Mana Burning abilities, you forgot the original Blood Elf racials - Mana Tap and the original Arcane Torrent. Back in BC, Arcane Torrent restored resources based on how many stacks of Empowerment you had, and you got a stack every time you used Mana Tap (which had a 30 sec cd, but the buff had a decent duration of like 3 min), and Mana Tap sapped a % of the enemy's max man. Then you could use Arcane Torrent (only if you had at least 1 stack of Empowerment) to restore a % of your resource (mana for every class other than rogue, energy for rogue; BElves couldn't be Warriors back then) based on the number of stacks consumed.
2. I wish they'd kept the very first version of this ability. That was the most fun version of that really fun talent IMO. MoP Lock was just real fun in many ways. (*cough* Blizz should totally bring back Dark Apotheosis and/or give Locks a Tank spec *cough*)
Wasn't there Pestilence that spread DK's diseases in an AOE? But that wasn't quite as interesting!
I remember unholy dks used to have a talent i think that'd cause every target with your diseases on it to aoe in a small area, you'd use it to tank/kill the whelps on Onyxia for example but my computer/net was so shit I'd get DCed doing it, this was back when you could tank in any spec.
I miss being able to cast lightning bolt when moving.
I miss being able to cast lightning bolt while moving AND gaining mana every time I did for my Resto. Chaining LBs into my healing rotation was tons of fun, especially when pushing Cutting Edge HC content.
@@xplicitmike I would finish a few boss fights after a wipe because of this
Have tp put this out here: I miss the good 'ol WF graphic :C
Anyone else losing they're mind over how he says "Cascade"
Yes, I had to unsub.
I cant tell if he mispronounces words on purpose to fuck with us or is he dyslexic and can't read lol he does it a lot.
@matt fahringer isn't it funny to everyone?
@@mfranks4731 I'm pretty sure it's a case of "never hearing the word being pronounced out loud but seeing it enough to be familiar with it". You'd be surprised how people pronounce shit like "chitin".
Maybe listening to too much Cascada
Remember when Cascade was the worst option for both healing and damage in most fights?
MoP-priests remember.
As someone who played priest through MoP and quit in WoD, that one confused me greatly. Halo was where it was at!
My first thought was Aspect of the Fox. I was surprised you didnt mention it.
Dark intent for warlocks was another great ability
Mages are getting something similar in Shadowlands
I remember the hunter ability in MoP that allowed you to clear all your cd's every once in a while
There was a different ability to the one in Wrath?
Yeah, readiness, it existed since bc all the way to mop
@@waitwhereami439 that one. Good times
Readiness in bc was the most broken cause of how far down the tree it was so you could get bw and readiness
Playing hunter in Cata/MoP was absolutely awesome and fun, so many unique spells from pets you could get and stuff.
I miss shaman's gust of wind so much.
Gust was so good
I'm missing it so much too
I miss the fact that I miss that ability
As an Ele shaman, I miss it soooo much
Legion ele was so freaking fun to play
Cascade was the most visually stunning spell I had ever seen. I was sad to see it go.
good old burst of speed. i still remember going on a massive dungeon binge when they announced that it was going to be cut. will always love that spell
"and now it's much harder for casters to do anything on the move"
*laughs in Mage*
I wish Kil'Jaeden's cunning was still in the game in some form or way, don't really like fire mages compared to warlocks even if I'm glad you still can cast while moving with them at least.
@@Carpatouille kind of tired of everyone saying "to use a destro warlock, just make a fire mage' like no bitch i like my destro girl just fine
Cascade could also Multistrike creating new chains continuing on from that chain point.
Which was the reason why it got OP. During MoP, most of the time it was a niche talent.
Probably can make a whole video of top 10 abilities removed for being Too Good, based on just hunter and hunter pet abilities alone...
One for example was the aspect of the fox ability during MoP.. which allowed you to cast while moving, so items like Hardened Shell (equivalent to Net-O-Matic today), you could use on any flying target, no matter how high, by just dismounting (glider optional), pop aspect of the fox, and cast the dismount ability which normally requires you to stand still to cast.
Also during MoP, is that hunters were able to self-rez themselves for a while before it got patched and later removed entirely.. with new pets like the Quilen/Crane with an instant battle-rez ability, you'd have a macro for the pet to target you and cast their rez spell.. and when you're about to die, spam it like crazy and if timed right, your pet would rez you the instant you died.
Also can't forget Hunter's frozen ammo added during WoD, made hunter's virtually untouchable by any melee class as it would slow a target by 50% for 3 seconds however would reapply with every autoshot which shot every 2 sec with no DR. So in otherwords, you were slowed by 50% 100% of the time. It especially crippled classes such as DKs, as at the time they had nothing to break or immune slows, and hunter's would just disengage their death grips: ua-cam.com/video/usOfPPp6NVI/v-deo.html
Lastly just OP pets in general back pre-WoD.. How hunters were able to virtually solo any content, how their tank spec pets were able to hold aggro and were virtually immune to most boss/mob abilities which allowed hunters to solo even current tier dungeons and even some raid bosses (if no excessive raid wide damage or group mechanics). Anyone remember those times when a wipe occurred but a MVP hunter deterrenced and lived through a raid wipe and they finish off the last few % of the boss while their pet held complete aggro?
Raven I remember frozen shots, I got so tilted when I watched pilav vs zumio he couldn’t even touch him
Frozen ammo was absolutely broken I remember kiting a fury warrior (when sudden death was crazy) I felt bad for him because I was absolutely untouched the whole fight which was absurd and moving while casting aim shit was also broke. To
And don't forget that dk spell that converted runic power to health. It was there since mop but I remember at the beginning of WOD it was broken along side with how strong dks were
Symbiosis was a lot of fun imo, but sadly "fun" spells die to the argument of "too hard to balance"...
Lazyness and greed killed the fun of the game, and unironically with shitty pve procs and corruption the game has never been this unbalanced and unfun than today. And most classes have the same kind of abilities and gameplay.
At least back then, everyone had broken spells so it was kind of balanced. Everyone who PvP'd at end of MoP will tell you this was the most balanced state the game ever was in PvP, for 90% of the classes, and also a very fun time to do so with all the uniqueness in each one with all the fun spells that existed.
yea because the garbage community side of wow wish the game to be boring
I just want Cascade back 😭
Oh wow...I haven't played priest since mid-WoD, had no idea they got rid of Cascade. That's a real shame. If nothing else, it was a gorgeous spell; like a little fireworks show.
The Shaman ability to cast all 4 totems at once.
Advanced Drain Life was exceptional for Warlocks, probably the best AoE grind ability in the game at the time that it came out. I remember using it in the starting zone of whichever expansion it was introduced and AoE pulling literally 20 fast respawning mobs, and being unkillable. That got nerfed pretty quickly as I recall
God Cascade was such a staple of Mists. I miss the way priests healed from that timeframe.
Burst of speed really made me love playing my rogue, that was still with old combat spec before they changed it to outlaw. It was so nice because as you already pointed out it made running old dungeons extremely OP. I remember using it in LBRS pickpocket runs to farm Ravenholdt rep. Good times .. :)
Four words "Have group, Will travel"
That wasn't a good ability, it was just a excuse for lazy people to never bother moving anywhere.
I agree. They nerfed guild abilities that many worked really hard to get. Moving alts was so much easier with that ability.
Hell yea. Used that all the time in world pvp
The greatest ability they got rid of. Was so stupid to even remove it
I stopped playing in Cataclysm.
I hated how my PvE abilities got nerfed and messed with all the time, just because there was some balance issue in PvP.
They should have balanced PvP and PvE separately.
You stopped about 10 years ago, but you still watch WoW videos? Kudos
he's literally making shit up. he has no evidence or real reasoning just an assumption those things were removed because of "pvp" inn reality pvpers want as MANY options as possible to counter other pkayers...NOT A SINGLE pvper would have wanted almost ANY of these abilities pruned minus the mana drain ones. pls stop feeding into that false narrative
Ren :3 You’re joking, people bitch constantly about almost every ability in PVP
@@JB-xl2jc FIND ONE competitive pvper that wanted the pruning you cannot find ONE
@@JB-xl2jc We absolutely despise the pruned garbage and ever since we've seen a STEEP drop off in participation. also there is a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE between complaining and wanting something removed LOL pls don't tell me you're serious with that
Nobody:
Hirumadex:
“The Priest talent, Sasuke”
SAAAAAAAASUKEEEEEEEEE
Chase Lewis NAARUTEE
shadow of death + Darkmoon Card: twisting nether were pretty hilarious in WOTLK, the darkmoon card got no cd so if you're lucky enough with that 10% chance to be able to resurrect you could ress -> die and become a ghoul for a 2nd, 3rd etc time until you run out of luck.
Prismatic Crystal for mages. Hands down the most OP thing I've used in 15 years of WoW.
Prismatic crystal, dragon breath, that refresh abilities skill, repeat. Fastest arenas on the planet. Squeeze in a meteor for good measure
Warlock Metamorphosis where we could become a massive ball of demonic death basically. Was so powerful and fun to use. Too bad it was removed when they decided to give it to the new op class Demon Hunter.
Quit WoW but still loving your content man
Gay
I miss the old druid fairie fire that prevented targets from stealthing.
I used to have a Sap Stealth macro to hunt other rogues and druids.
Was great.
Never was mad that I couldn't stealth on FF because I mostly had great father winter dead or Big Bomb Pet (Self Destruct) the AH.
Hint these were in vanilla.
I got 2 accounts banned for these things.
1 big bomb pet ORG AH causing server crash.
1 big bomb pet IF AH (My own Faction) causing a server crash.
I remember at the Blizzcon for Legion Frost DKs were told an ability to self res similar to reincarnation. When I played Legion for myself and didnt see this ability I was dissapointed. I am not forgiving you for this Blizzard.
One thing worth noting about Shadow of Death is that the ghoul's suicide explosion ability did a flat amount of damage balanced around the assumption that the player was level 80. This damage did not scale down at low levels. So if you were level 61 in Hellfire Peninsula and managed to kill a level 61 Unholy DK, he could come back as a ghoul and explode on your face for 300% of your maximum HP.
Ah mist of pandaria frost mage: poly-they trinket-deep freeze-death to your enemy.
Always had to save trunk for deep freeze otherwise you were fucked haha
The good old days when being a mage was glorious
At least as a warrior you could trinket the freeze or reflect it, was way more counterable than blinkin twice.
I miss blazing speed :^(
Jokes on you I was a hunter and I’d just use roar of sacrifice so you couldn’t crit me! 😜
In cata I mained arms warrior and we would shattering throw on the spawning adds on madness to increase the hunters/ rogue/ warrior burst. Or used on lust with longer fights on burn phases. I always wondered if the armor pen helped caster classes or our ret pally!! Love the videos!
Eyes of the Beast was the best ability that got removed. It let you roleplay as your hunter pet
And glitch through certain areas
I miss the version of KJs Cunning for passive filler movement and Shadow of Death a lot. One that i guess isn’t technically removed but got fully overhauled for being too good was the MoP Hunter’s Stampede, the ability i miss most of all.
"Abilities that remove immunities are too strong" Oh yeah but being literally un-killable while being able to heal is not????
Immunity removal abilities had a short cooldown compared to the immunity ones. A warrior could shatter a bubble and an iceblock before the first bubble is ready again.
Why immunity is immunity if it can be dispelled?
Make it real immunity or remove all kinds of immunities in the game
@@afc9447 >Why have play if you can counter-play?
Why have stuns if you can remove them? Either make stun stun or remove it.
@@korpen2858 You act like paladins bubbles are the most amazing thing in the game when they really aren't. Whether disellable or otherwise, if you struggled with their bubbles so much the struggle is with you.
@@afc9447 counter play my guy
Burst of Speed in Ashran was one of my favourite moments in WoW. Zipping around the battlefield while stealthed and pickpocketing people for their fragments was amazing.
I was just binge watching your videos, and went to the channel and saw this - Pleasant surprise!
Cascade wasn't just good, it was fun to use.
Sure, you'd just press a button and do a ton of healing for no effort whatsoever, but watching those streams of light bounce around while massively healing your team just felt so good.
It really was too easy to use compared to the other two though, not surprised it got purged.
Ah yes, I remember the days of Deep Freeze and then 6 consecutive Ice Lances. Basically if your pvp trinket is on cooldown, you're dead and there's nothing you can do about it.
The worst part was that honestly, I thought deep freeze was balance until I think it was mist or WoD, where they made ice lances did a shit ton of damage and actually was shot out faster. Back in Wrath and Cata, when you stunned you did the frostbolt/icelance combo and not pure icelance. In shadow lands they need to make it that frost bolt should be cast for the combo to get the most out of it and id say its balance, that or make the stun a 4 sec stun since haste is a thing.
Patch 6.1.0 (24-Feb-2015): Deep Freeze's stun effect now always breaks on damage from Ice Lance or Ice Nova, but no longer has a chance to break from other damage sources. They already fixed this quite a while ago. It was mostly used for easier Polys on healers.
God I miss Burst of Speed so much. I remember there was a combination of spec and talents that let you infinitely run as fast as a 100% ground mount AND be in stealth as well.
Burst of speed, cascade, mark of the wild, I miss those
I miss cascade. There was something magical about seeing multiple priests casting it and you'd have a mini meteor shower lol
Did no one else release how he pronounced cascade?
"Cahscase"
Wouldn't be a hiru video without odd pronunciations XD
It has to be on purpose, it's incredible how consistent it is
Cosscade
I think it's on purpose. He chooses words he KNOWS will bother people and then sits back and chuckles at people correcting him.
Symbyeohsis
I remember symbiosis. If I got it as a mage, I would get healing touch, so I could be a mage healer lol.
As someone who mained feral I quit in panda because of the pruning and noobing of classes.
Symbiosis was broken but still didnt want to play.
Haven’t watched yet but guessing have group will travel is number 1
guess you watched it by now and know it wasn't mentioned at all
Will Koons yeah
Burst of Speed was incredible. Combined with certain talents and glyphs, it meant you could be as fast as a ground mount WHILE stealthed. I miss it so much.
This calls for "Divine intervention"
Keep up the good work man. I’ve always enjoyed your level of detail and knowledge. Very professional.
Oh man i remember getting so frustrated with early DKs in PVP. They were already way to strong but even if you managed to kill one they came back and you had to kill them again! Good times...
I remember Aspect of the Fox in WoD. Everyone gets to cast while moving with enough hunters in the raid.
I winced every time you mispronounced ‘cascade’.
@Victor Cypert what about it? he pronounced it correctly
LOL
@@timelordricknmorty8179 It's pronounced cascade not carscade.
Is it pronounced wend or wined? Never heard that word spoken out loud before.
@@BenghisKhan I don't know to what word you are referring.
9:43 "eventually blizzard learned that passive cleanses were kind of broken"
Yeah until legion when paladins got "pure of heart" literally cutting assassination rogues damage in half if a paladin was in the group. It was even worse since it dispelled every global and was an aura, and not a killable totem.
Just fan a knives problem solved
@@Kakyoin489 ...40% your damage came from stacking poisons + procs in this era, and your bleed ticks on a poisoned target gave you energy. It dispelled every global so you never got energy. You were starved the whole game with nothing you could do about it. FoK wouldnt solve anything in this scenario. Blizzard eventually acknowledged how broken it was and nerfed it.
I nut to the sight of rogues complaining.
Also popped off Unholy DKs
king keane you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Man pronounces cascade like he's never heard anyone say it before lmao
Cuz every time we touch i get this feeling!
That's one of the reasons why I prefer Affliction for warlocks there's a lot of their spells that are instant cast keeps you quite mobile
And makes you useless in the majority of aoe scenarios, great :)
Being Aff and being able to move is nice and all, but I worked really hard for my Green Fire, and by the -Love- Hate of Sargeras, I *WILL* stay Destro, doesnt matter if my spec is crippled.
Fiusha Ironfoot but it's not crippled?
@@Jeryyyyyy875
Really? Havent played since the Start of BFA (All chars leveled to max lvl), mostly due to Friends waiting for Shadowlands, and all I've heard are salty Destro Locks complaining, so I had guessed it was underperforming.
@@XochiCh Why would you ever base anything you say off of people complaining on the internet.
I loved mist walk talent for mistweaver monks, you could chi torpedo 30 yards and put yourself in range of an ally to mist walk onto them which was another 25 yards. So in a battleground in the span of two globals you could go 55 yards which gets you out of range of any enemy who is near you. AND YOU COULD DO BOTH MOVES TWICE. So many different combos to get you out of literally any situation. Insane mobility
I remember a server where you could use monk long range teleportation to steal enemy flag from more than half the map through walls and cap it in like 10 sec.
"COS-cade" where are you from, dude? "Cas" as in "cast"-cade.
I always enjoy these videos. Never have I said wow I wish I did something else.
Nobody:
Like literally not a single person ever:
Hirumaredx: "Cahscade"
Not as bad as "mee lee"
@@valdemarflores1196 That one is slightly more understandable in my opinion, but still, yeah lol
Hiru's parents removed Pronounce Words because they thought it would be too good with the ASMR Voice talent.
Alter time was what made mage special for me in MoP. It was extremely good (especially with snapshotting) but very hard to use properly, so it got heavily modified in WoD. Finally, it was removed in legion. I honestly haven't enjoyed fire mage since :(
What about Legion Emerald Nightmare Surrender to Madness? Not really removed, but might aswell be removed, since nobody plays it anyway since 2+ years.
Those were the good old days. It felt so fucking good.
RIP Surrender to Madness. i honestly think that ability ruined the game for me, nothing will ever feel as good as that ability did
the boss mechanic made the talent broken not the talent itself
@@Arthas35788 It was good on multiple fights.
It was the first time i was actually excited every pull, because i knew that id either die, doing 0 dmg or be a complete god. No other class had/has this type of min/maxing with the excitement bound to it. I liked the fact, that there was actually a difference between good and less good players for once, since it made me WANT to become good, instead of just being decent, because you have a 2 button rotation that you can do while sleeping.
Blizzard's rule #1:
True fun is outlawed
I knew the duel logs had a wow channel but i couldn't remember the name. This was recommended to me probably because i started wow again, so glad i found you :D
ah man the ghoul rez was a kick. screw balancing
Your information on Cascade is partially incorrect. Halo was much better for Shadow Priest than cascade in terms of damage, but also harder to use. People absolutely did use Halo and did so over Divine Star pretty frequently.
Death Knights blood plague used to remove HoTs. Removed in 3.1
PrussianZwei plague strike too.
@@brandoncastellano1858 Didn't that give the desecrated ground effect?
I miss having "Dark siphon" on my death knight. It was OP in PVP
Richard kesterson III Death Siphon. Cool thing I enjoyed about it was at the lower levels if t crier I could 1 shot mobs. Around the nagrand leveling area I just remember one shotting Zebras and Clefhooves and broken.
What about Denounce for holy palas? I was regularly the the player with the most kills in BGs as a healer
johano1993 I loved that ability, also made players unable to crit.
The "Harsh Words" glyph wich turned Word of Glory into a dmg ability is sorely missed as well, was a nice ranged ability as a ret.
@@davidvidme5745 Dont miss Denounce. It was OP as hell
Maelfic Grasp alongside drain soul was such a good playstyle for affliction warlocks, shame they removed it.
Also the fact that dots were actually impactful. MoP Affliction was the best.
They also need to remove Sylvanas' Mary Sue ability asap
You forgot to mention the most important feature of Shadow of Death, which was that if you had it, and then used the corpse explosion ability of the ghoul to kill yourself, you didn't lose any durability for dying.
Dude. You missed off the DK's original _Corpse Explosion_ which made a corpse explode for shadow damage to all enemies within 20 yards. It wasn't mentioned, but this also worked on your pet ghoul, which caused even more damage. As an added bonus, mob corpses became bitting meat-sacs, or bone fragments.
It took a number of nerfs, until finally being removed in Cata. It was later re-added as a flavor glyph, but only for the effect
About Burst of Speed. There was also rogue talent that increased your movement speed in stealth by 20% so you can perma run almost like a mount in stealth
I loved Cascade);
i preferred cosscade
18:40 I LOVED the legendary cloth boots in Legion. They were so fun to use on my Spriest.
oh i miss the mop discipline priest
I miss mop holy priest
Shamans were very good at interrupts in WotLK if I remember correctly. In Vanilla and BC, they could only interrupt with Earth shock. Had the advantage of being ranged, doing nature damage and slowing enemy attacks by 10%. Disadvantage being shared cooldown with other shocks and being in global cooldown.
In WotLK, the interrupt function was removed from Earth shock, and instead given to a new ability Wind shear. And that was extremely powerful, cause it negated both of the cooldown disadvantages while retaining the advantage of being ranged and only having 6 second cooldown. For all 3 specs. You almost couldn't cast a spell when facing a Shaman.
They didn't remove the ability, only increased the cooldown to 15 seconds. But that changed how extremely useful it was to the point it doesn't really feel like the same spell anymore. Interrupting every 6 seconds was fun :D
Kil'jaeden's cunning? Oh please, Blizz has removed Demonology Metamorphosis because if they shiped DH in Legion with MoP/WoD Demonology around, DH would looked like a cheap-half beaked copy of a great spec.
I would honestly rather have a Necromancer than DH, you press 4 buttons and you sometimes press other buttons and you win
@@spinodino3634 I will never understand the OBSESSION over necromancer. It will never be in the game because it makes no sense when death knights and warlocks exist.
Just find or make a custom model that turns demonology warlocks' pets into skeletons, there ya go - necromancer made.
Bullshit.
@@XAn0nymousX0 It was satire, though not very easy to understand. I have zero care for necromancer, though I will keep my statement about the DH 4 buttons stuff. The only thing I'm really 'obsessed' of to get in the game is a dragon race, c'mon Blizzy, give me at least something like a dragon to play as.
The Mage talent "Prismatic Crystal" added in WoD and removed in Legion was seriously fucking broken. Mages could kill 2 or 3 enemies almost instantly when it was used... I loved it.
it was such a unique and amazing spell for mages.
Imagine your parents abandoning you because it would have been faster than the three seconds it would take to tell you to go to your room.
Kil'jaden Cunning remind me of Fire Mage ice floes. It got removed for Fire Mage in Legion. Because of the Bracer legendary, a proc that increases the damage of non-instant Pyroblast by 300%.
Pyroblast has a super long cast time that you only use as a pre-cast before pulling something or you have the Hot Streak proc which make it instant.
A fire mage hard-casting Pyroblast while walking is too good. They doubled down on this by adding PvP talent, Flame canon and Greater Pyroblast. Which basically make you want to just stand still and spam Greater Pyroblast (tip: if you see an enemy fire mage doing this... please target them...)
Remember when glyphs were interesting and allowed for a lot of fun choices? :O
GOD I MISS DEEP FREEZE!!!!!, THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING IT
This video is just a giant “Blizzard: FunDetected” meme.
I get removing exploiting abilities, but removing certain abilities that could probably have an easy balance is just lazy.
true removing is always lame just buff sth else instead.
Symbiosis was the most fun and unique thing that that was in the game. My mind will never be changed
"Mana burn was considered the weakest spell" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The big issue with deep freeze wasn't that the target remained frozen but rather than it was an instant CC that allowed for an uncontested follow sheep CC chain. It also did significant damage in PvE and would be used on CD or during burst windows to maximize damage.
I still remember that glorious patch during WotLK in which we Enhancement Shamys had the Earthen Power talent, which basically gave our Earthgrab Totem a constant Hand of Freedom. It was just too good: debuffing enemies with a 50% slow while being immune to any Slow for the duration of the totem. Best part was: you could pair it with Cleansing Totem, since both skills used different reagents (Earth totem and Water totem). Man, I could easily fight off any DK, back when DK's were kings of PvP. Ah... such good times...
Warlocks Dark Apotheosis was so fun back in the day.