Petition to make it illegal to call Jokic “the best big man passer of all time”. That’s such a low estimation of what he is. Jokic is probably the best passer ever, period. At worst he’s the third best.
Jokic is not even in the discussion for the best passer ever. He's not a better passer than Chris Paul. He's not a better passer than John Stockton. He's not a better passer than Magic Johnson. He's not a better passer than Jason Williams. He's not a better passer than LeBron James. He's not a better passer than Steve Nash. He's not a better passer than Jason Kidd. He's not a better passer than Rondo. People need to calm the fuck down about Jokic, you all are insane. Four or five years ago, no one talked about Jokic as an all time great, people said he was a good player, but he wasn't talked about in this light even remotely. You don't go from "he's a good player" to "He's a top 5 center to ever play the game, and he's the greatest passer ever, end he's the greatest foreign player of all time" in 4 years. Maybe Jokic can get there, but he needs to do this for another DECADE before he's legitimately in those conversations. He hasn't done it anywhere near long enough to warrant being even discussed in the same company as some of these guys.
@@tecs513Jokic passed all of those guys except Magic for triple doubles and redefined the position of center the same way Steph redefined shooting. He’s as good or a better passer than any of the guys you mentioned. Right there with Magic. No, he doesn’t need 10 more years to prove it. He has the stats, the MVP’s and the chip. Rajon Rondo? GTFO. Denver wins bc Joker ball is total basketball.
I didn't watch Magic but it seems like his passing was the only one at or above Jokic's. He's easily the best plassing big ever, the best passer in general in the league currently, and at the very least top 5 all time if not top 2
So funny ESPN proudly brings out someone that is always wrong. He and Stephen A clearly barely watch basketball. Anyone over Jokic just triggers the shit out of me too
Just looked it up , 5.4 points and 1 assist a game. 5.8 Reb is alright but low for his position. He was an all-around terrible offensive player, more detrimental then beneficial.
Luka averaging 32.5 ppg with 41.5% from 3 point line, 8.5 assists, and is 2nd on west… idk about perk, but this seems like he should be no.2 on the list.
@@mence5992 what problem idiot,it’s no problems here just everyone having different opinions and all I said was Durants numbers I didn’t even give an opinion
I think perk just does this for controversy to make the show interesting. Anybody that actually watches basketball knows luka is the best offensive player.
You are 100% correct, in my opinion. You called it. Tatum is a poor ball handler, poor passer, good scorer. KD is better - but not enough to make a top 5 offensive player. I think Jokic edges Curry for one important reason: turnovers. I won't give Jokic extra credit for his size - though it is incredible that a man that skilled can do all that he does. But GSW might be able to beat the Nuggies in a seven-game series. Jokic will get his, but the Warriors will know to tire him out. Steph has better endurance, and his insane gravity and movement without the ball do as much for the Warriors' offense as Jokic's elite passing and offensive boards. Either way, those two guys are at the top. Luka is a close 3rd. Tatum and KD are elite scorers, but they are not top 5 in general offense. How's this for a controversial statement: Chris Paul deserves to be in the top 5. He has taken one of the worst benches in the league and, with only a couple of role player roster tweaks to help him, turned it into what may be the best second unit in the NBA. 38 years old and still hooping at an elite level, unlike LeBron. Paul sees all, makes great decisions and doesn't turn the ball over. Perk is an embarrassment. I might be one, too, with my Chris Paul pick. Oh, well!
As a basketball casual this is my favorite channel right now. I for some reason like how often he doesn’t post and how irregularly if that makes sense. Keep it up fat LOW (lol)
Comparing peaks doesn’t work because the way defense is played is different. Difficult to compare eras where one you could rip somebody head off and the other you tap somebody and it’s a foul.
Its humorous seeing analysts doing all the damage control from their previous stance, but all this gets even more comical due to the fact that Jokic hasnt reached his peak yet.
Luka is the most complete offensive player in the game. Great passer, great vision, extremely high basketball IQ, plays at his own pace, can get to the basket whenever he wants, unlimited range, the best footwork in the league and it’s not even close, wants the ball in the crunch and delivers. Perkins was an underachiever as a player and is even worse in his current role.
Jokic at 3, and Luka not there is an abomination. I think I’d say it goes Jokic/Curry, Curry/Jokic, Luka, Haliburton. These are the top 4 guys that I think *guarantee* high quality offense no matter what. The best combination of floor-raiser and ceiling-raiser (many call it gravity, latent value, generation etc…). And the role players around these 4 guys are elevated to much greater offensive value, because the defense is forced to over-help on the one superstar. Curry, Jokic, Luka are all obvious, but I think Haliburton deserves to be here. He has no weaknesses on offense based on the things that you can expect from a point guard. Embiid? KD? Booker? Lillard? Trae?
My top 5 offensive players in no particular order would be Book, Embiid, Jokic, Luka, Steph. I don’t really care what order you put them in, all of them are very different offensive players so it really depends on what you value
5 years ago Harden would’ve been top 3 on Perk’s list. The fact that Luka, a much more well rounded Offensive player can’t make the list over Tatum and Embiid is insane.
If we are doing rankings based on overall than im fine if Luka didn’t make top 5 because his defence is poor but if we are doing based on offensive luka is definitely top 3.. his is an offensive player..he can shoot,pass,post up etc…
I could make the argument that the only player in the league that forced teams to build a wall is Giannis. Not saying that he's the best offensively, just that they needed A FREAKING WALL.
For years the top 3 players on the planet have been Freak, Joker and Embid. Nobody else has been close to those 3 for years. There is no excuse even for a casual fan to get the top 3 wrong.
Kendrick Perkins averaged 5.5 his whole career. That’s 10 seasons in the NBA and you knew perk would get you up a possession and 5 or 6 boards. He shouldn’t be speaking on MVPs and HOF players
You know somestimes i watch lows videos and think "bruh is getting worked up about peoples opinions about basketball and is a stats nerd" then i remember its his job and i cant hate lmao
I guess the greatest three point shooter ever is Pistol Pete. He attempted 15 in his career (because his last year was first year of the three) he made 10! Thats 66% I'll bet thats the best by far of anyone attempting 15 or more three pointers. 😂
I'm impressed. He managed to get the entire list wrong. Jokic Steph (Steph is top 5 all time imo, but jokic is better right now) Luka That is 100% correct. You can go from there. Booker, sga, Halliburton has a case, embiid, tatum, kd, lebron - but those 3 are in stone.
stuff like this shows we in this limbo state for maybe another 1-2 yrs where the older players in the league that dominated are going to be slightly-very overrated. people will hold on to the versions of them from like 2-3 yrs ago for another couple years in the future and gatekeep the upcoming talent like luka, shai, and to a lower extent people like maxey or hali
Luka is definitely a top 5 offense player it's a shame that perk didn't put him on the list. Come on Luka the last fews years were facing p13 and the claw in the playoffs n beat KD now team last time as well
If your stat's are real during the regular season then they should always go up in the playoff's because you play a lot more minutes. If they go down then you are putting up fake points during the regular season don't carry over to playoff basketball, hey Embiid. Jokic gets more offensive rebounds then Curry.
Bro, really got mad about the stuff paint efficiency comparison when I’m pretty sure that stat is based on 500 or more attempts. Not 100% sure but pretty sure. So like saying that it’s ridiculous is a little bit delusional like yeah he’s not as good as them because they do it on more attempts, but he still one of the paint finishers especially for a guard soooooo
Yo what’s with the Tatum disrespect. He’s a better passer then embiid. He’s just as good a passer as durant. And Tatums handle is good especially this year it’s really tightened up.
I wonder what Jokic and Luka have in common
Jokic has a better team and coach plus his team plays better defense
They both play in the West?
Good personality?
they’re both balling out this season
They’re both tall?
Petition to make it illegal to call Jokic “the best big man passer of all time”. That’s such a low estimation of what he is. Jokic is probably the best passer ever, period. At worst he’s the third best.
"Arguably the second best passing Serbian big man, right after Vlade Divac!"
Jokic is not even in the discussion for the best passer ever. He's not a better passer than Chris Paul. He's not a better passer than John Stockton. He's not a better passer than Magic Johnson. He's not a better passer than Jason Williams. He's not a better passer than LeBron James. He's not a better passer than Steve Nash. He's not a better passer than Jason Kidd. He's not a better passer than Rondo. People need to calm the fuck down about Jokic, you all are insane. Four or five years ago, no one talked about Jokic as an all time great, people said he was a good player, but he wasn't talked about in this light even remotely. You don't go from "he's a good player" to "He's a top 5 center to ever play the game, and he's the greatest passer ever, end he's the greatest foreign player of all time" in 4 years. Maybe Jokic can get there, but he needs to do this for another DECADE before he's legitimately in those conversations. He hasn't done it anywhere near long enough to warrant being even discussed in the same company as some of these guys.
@@tecs513 No one's reading all that when you start off with "He's not a better passer than Chris Paul"
@@tecs513Jokic passed all of those guys except Magic for triple doubles and redefined the position of center the same way Steph redefined shooting. He’s as good or a better passer than any of the guys you mentioned. Right there with Magic. No, he doesn’t need 10 more years to prove it. He has the stats, the MVP’s and the chip. Rajon Rondo? GTFO. Denver wins bc Joker ball is total basketball.
I didn't watch Magic but it seems like his passing was the only one at or above Jokic's. He's easily the best plassing big ever, the best passer in general in the league currently, and at the very least top 5 all time if not top 2
I'm convinced that Perk is on the show so that people hate-watch it so they can rage at his bad takes.
Yeah he is entertaining clownboi
This is correct. This is literally his job.
And his loud mouth.
Or Perk is just an idiot...
What else could it be?
“MVP Type season, zero flaws, third best.”
- Brainlet-in-chief
its because he is white
So funny ESPN proudly brings out someone that is always wrong. He and Stephen A clearly barely watch basketball. Anyone over Jokic just triggers the shit out of me too
Honestly, why should Jokic and Luka listen to a man who's average career stats are equal to their stats at half-time?
Perkins wishes he had carreerstats half as good as them..I think it was closer to quarter then half lol.
Just looked it up , 5.4 points and 1 assist a game. 5.8 Reb is alright but low for his position. He was an all-around terrible offensive player, more detrimental then beneficial.
Half time? Luka been scoring 3x Perks career avrage in just 1st quarter last season (or 4th this season).
Their stats in half a quarter*
😂
People really think "offense" means dribbling up the floor and pulling up from mid range lol
Only Perkins think like that tbh, but somehow he gets the platform to do this.
Luka averaging 32.5 ppg with 41.5% from 3 point line, 8.5 assists, and is 2nd on west… idk about perk, but this seems like he should be no.2 on the list.
Durant is shooting 50% from the field on 30 ppg
@@NoSpinster0909Luka also over 50% from the field lol
@@NoSpinster0909guys Like you are the problem. You keep not getting it
@@mence5992 what problem idiot,it’s no problems here just everyone having different opinions and all I said was Durants numbers I didn’t even give an opinion
@@JRMason-ri4ii yep Durant 53% ,Luka 50% both averaging 30.7 a game
If Jokic and Doncic found themselves on the same team they would probably never lose again.
wouldnt play defense worth a damn
@@ElephantInTheMfRoomWouldn’t need to
@@ElephantInTheMfRoomJokic is on a top 5 defensive team in the game therefore he has to be a defensive player
@@ElephantInTheMfRoom I thought the “Jokic can’t defend” narrative ended last post season, when he swept the Lakers with AD on the floor.
@xlae-sz9vq no comeback for that I see lol. Hope it happens again this year.
I think perk just does this for controversy to make the show interesting. Anybody that actually watches basketball knows luka is the best offensive player.
Perk living in 2017 2018 nostalga
Nah Lets be honest, perk has been hating on european players for years.
@@Iiuuuiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Many people in the NBA medias are openly xenophobic without being reprimanded behind it...
@@Simbah.7 black incel privilege
@@Iiuuuiiiiiiiiiiiiiii they're jealous black incels. All bm are incels. Look at their dating coaches lol and the number of subs
People want to say it's because he's xenophobic when in reality it's just because he's racist.
Perkins not smart enough to be xenophobic
@Ash_things45 xenophobic perkins would hate non americans, racist perkins would hate non african-americans
@@mihailodomanovic1192he was hating on Giannis calling him robin.
this is my favorite nba channel , sad we don't get many vids
There is a reason why people like Perk work for the media and not for basketball teams.
Right now Jokic is hands down the best offensive player and every analytic stat shows it
He's horrible from 3
@@sladewilson890your tripping hard asf
@@Obi482 you only watch highlights
@@sladewilson890 it sounds like you've only seen a compilation of jokic missing shots when the rest of us saw him play last season lol
@@GGtheRealest right lmao. Bro just started watching
Perk had to have meant scoring, there’s no other logic. And even then he still missed Luka
You are 100% correct, in my opinion.
You called it. Tatum is a poor ball handler, poor passer, good scorer. KD is better - but not enough to make a top 5 offensive player.
I think Jokic edges Curry for one important reason: turnovers. I won't give Jokic extra credit for his size - though it is incredible that a man that skilled can do all that he does.
But GSW might be able to beat the Nuggies in a seven-game series. Jokic will get his, but the Warriors will know to tire him out. Steph has better endurance, and his insane gravity and movement without the ball do as much for the Warriors' offense as Jokic's elite passing and offensive boards.
Either way, those two guys are at the top. Luka is a close 3rd. Tatum and KD are elite scorers, but they are not top 5 in general offense.
How's this for a controversial statement: Chris Paul deserves to be in the top 5. He has taken one of the worst benches in the league and, with only a couple of role player roster tweaks to help him, turned it into what may be the best second unit in the NBA. 38 years old and still hooping at an elite level, unlike LeBron. Paul sees all, makes great decisions and doesn't turn the ball over.
Perk is an embarrassment.
I might be one, too, with my Chris Paul pick. Oh, well!
you had it until that chris paul statement 😭
@@liyelathimakalima heh, I know.
Never confuse an anon commenter for an expert!
As a basketball casual this is my favorite channel right now. I for some reason like how often he doesn’t post and how irregularly if that makes sense. Keep it up fat LOW (lol)
Perkins loves him some Embid. Every top list that he will make,regardless of category, is going to include Embid.
The biggest problem i have with this aside from Jokic not being #1 is Giannis being left off the list entirely.
He’s not top 5
PREACH!!!! You literally got a new subscriber because it’s like you literally are picking my brain!!!
Comparing peaks doesn’t work because the way defense is played is different. Difficult to compare eras where one you could rip somebody head off and the other you tap somebody and it’s a foul.
Being disrespected by the worst NBA analyst isn't too bad.
Thank you for your clear head my guy. Just subscribed cause of this video! Stand your ground!
This is from one of the world's loudest brain cells
Its humorous seeing analysts doing all the damage control from their previous stance, but all this gets even more comical due to the fact that Jokic hasnt reached his peak yet.
I dont know how this guy didn't lost his job after what happened last year
ESPN kept him for "diversity" purposes. Aka they are racist.
What Jokers doing is almost unbelievable. On top of that, consider that he's a center and his numbers are even crazier
Luka is the most complete offensive player in the game. Great passer, great vision, extremely high basketball IQ, plays at his own pace, can get to the basket whenever he wants, unlimited range, the best footwork in the league and it’s not even close, wants the ball in the crunch and delivers. Perkins was an underachiever as a player and is even worse in his current role.
Thank you sir, for saying exactly what I'm thinking, but in a much more intelligent and well-informed manner.
Jokic at 3, and Luka not there is an abomination.
I think I’d say it goes
Jokic/Curry, Curry/Jokic, Luka, Haliburton.
These are the top 4 guys that I think *guarantee* high quality offense no matter what. The best combination of floor-raiser and ceiling-raiser (many call it gravity, latent value, generation etc…). And the role players around these 4 guys are elevated to much greater offensive value, because the defense is forced to over-help on the one superstar.
Curry, Jokic, Luka are all obvious, but I think Haliburton deserves to be here. He has no weaknesses on offense based on the things that you can expect from a point guard.
Embiid? KD? Booker? Lillard? Trae?
Gianis Jokic Embid tatum and shai is the current top 5
@@OMG-si3wn😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
European tip of the week: If you want to heal your country you need to call out racism from all ends... 🙄😬
My top 5 offensive players in no particular order would be Book, Embiid, Jokic, Luka, Steph. I don’t really care what order you put them in, all of them are very different offensive players so it really depends on what you value
Does he hate white player ?
Said jokic
He can’t be a racists.
Only us white peoples are racist.
Bro, its useless to even ask that question. Youll never know or have any proof so why even bring it up? It just riles people up
Jokic has been the best player post bubble easily. Everyone just late to the party, and his peak might just be the best offensive peak ever
6:15 bro must’ve thought the world ended
Crazy how Perk gets paid millioms to analyse basketball when he'd get annihilated in an average barber shop
Well at least Jokic won Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the year award...Even they couldnt screw that obvious choice up...
When I tell you I died when I saw KD at number one 😂
Perkins IQ same number as his career free throw percentage
Oh my goodness gracious. No SGA or Luka lmfao my brother in Christ
the glazing is crAZY
Luka is best offensive player in the league
I’d say best scorer, not the best offensive player. I’d say curry is the best offensive player rn while Jokic is a close 2nd
@@ForeignCaponeno😂 Luka and Jokic>>>>>> Curry
@@isakmaaan0326 you respond 7 months ago….
@@ForeignCapone if I would’ve seen this 7 months ago I would’ve said the exact same thing
@@isakmaaan0326 7 months ago curry was 100% a better offensive player then both.
Just found your channel with this video....i definitely rock with your breakdowns and opinion. Subs +1
This is on us for taking a list made by Shaqtin MVP Perkins seriously 😂
This show is a gem
5 years ago Harden would’ve been top 3 on Perk’s list. The fact that Luka, a much more well rounded Offensive player can’t make the list over Tatum and Embiid is insane.
Kendrick Perkins just says what hes told. point blank.
RJ looks disgusted the whole time
Love your analysis. You should be working at ESPN instead of Perkins and get paid millions.
Perk seems to have an extra warm place in his heart for black players
Luka would light up Perk like a Christmas tree 🎄
If we are doing rankings based on overall than im fine if Luka didn’t make top 5 because his defence is poor but if we are doing based on offensive luka is definitely top 3.. his is an offensive player..he can shoot,pass,post up etc…
Low Is trolling KD with the name of the channel 😅😅😅
Jokic with championships and time can be the GOAT. This peak is the best all time. 30pt, 14 rbs, 8.5 asst for 4 years. redic.
Bro, i just burst out laughing. What. The. Fuck.
when he said kd i dropped my phone
RJ making sure we all know that he disagree's. We got you brah, we know you ain't like them
Nikola is a walking triple double
I could make the argument that the only player in the league that forced teams to build a wall is Giannis. Not saying that he's the best offensively, just that they needed A FREAKING WALL.
She said ooooh
I'd like to see Perkins list of the five best college women players.
He only hates Tatum "half" the time😂
I like the way you think bro!!! I subscribed, because I agree with everything you’ve said…..
For years the top 3 players on the planet have been Freak, Joker and Embid. Nobody else has been close to those 3 for years. There is no excuse even for a casual fan to get the top 3 wrong.
3:38 yo! kevin durant haha
Durant averaging big numbers is real simple, no Booker or Beal on the floor.
Kendrick Perkins averaged 5.5 his whole career. That’s 10 seasons in the NBA and you knew perk would get you up a possession and 5 or 6 boards. He shouldn’t be speaking on MVPs and HOF players
playing as a white guy in 2k23 career mode felt very realistic i’d be dropping wilt numbers and kendrick perkins stayed mad
This dude is high!! 😂
You know somestimes i watch lows videos and think "bruh is getting worked up about peoples opinions about basketball and is a stats nerd" then i remember its his job and i cant hate lmao
I guess the greatest three point shooter ever is Pistol Pete. He attempted 15 in his career (because his last year was first year of the three) he made 10! Thats 66% I'll bet thats the best by far of anyone attempting 15 or more three pointers. 😂
"hey Perk, the ratings are down - we need you to be extra racist tonight"
I think kd is the best “scorer” but not best offensive player , but Curry, the joker they do everything on the Court
did he post the offense video yet?
I'm impressed. He managed to get the entire list wrong.
Jokic
Steph (Steph is top 5 all time imo, but jokic is better right now)
Luka
That is 100% correct.
You can go from there. Booker, sga, Halliburton has a case, embiid, tatum, kd, lebron - but those 3 are in stone.
The misconception for most NBA analysts is that offense=scoring..Perk's list is more top 5 scorers than top 5 offense smh
Then where is Luka?
@@greymatter77 3rd after curry and jokic
Idk why everyone says that Steph is a better offensiv player than Luka, like Luka scores 3 points more per game and 4.4 assists more.
stuff like this shows we in this limbo state for maybe another 1-2 yrs where the older players in the league that dominated are going to be slightly-very overrated. people will hold on to the versions of them from like 2-3 yrs ago for another couple years in the future and gatekeep the upcoming talent like luka, shai, and to a lower extent people like maxey or hali
ESPN has no credibility. Keeping Perkins and Malika has made NBA Today unwatchable.
We'll see how this ages but 8 days into it not so well
I mean it’s not super crazy all of these players are insane and the only thing going to separate them is the playoffs
3 months later Luka is averaging 35 a game 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lukas efficiency is better than KD’s so far this season tho
Luka is definitely a top 5 offense player it's a shame that perk didn't put him on the list. Come on Luka the last fews years were facing p13 and the claw in the playoffs n beat KD now team last time as well
Jeffersons expression,says all 😂😂😂
Perk is on the perk
I thought Perkins only get me like this lmao
Now, what do Luka and jokic have in common? I’ll let that marinate with you for a minute.
If your stat's are real during the regular season then they should always go up in the playoff's because you play a lot more minutes. If they go down then you are putting up fake points during the regular season don't carry over to playoff basketball, hey Embiid. Jokic gets more offensive rebounds then Curry.
Everyone sleeping on Kawhi
Bro, really got mad about the stuff paint efficiency comparison when I’m pretty sure that stat is based on 500 or more attempts. Not 100% sure but pretty sure. So like saying that it’s ridiculous is a little bit delusional like yeah he’s not as good as them because they do it on more attempts, but he still one of the paint finishers especially for a guard soooooo
Him saying Luka isn't top 5 is like me saying he isn't a black man. Yeah, just absolutely absurd 🥴
The kd hate,he had 8 game with the suns and they only team to beat Denver with 2 games seem like he better than every one else to me 🤷🏽♂️
JT is the best small forward in the league. Deff top 5
I see you Kendrick.. This is smart. Best hype Kendrick had was when Joker comment Kendrick.. Now he is trying Luka ...
no you hate KD
Perk has this thing about low melanin.
List should be: jokic, Steph, luka, kd, embiid
Disney used espn to end sports as an intellectual strategy game.
Yo what’s with the Tatum disrespect. He’s a better passer then embiid. He’s just as good a passer as durant. And Tatums handle is good especially this year it’s really tightened up.