FYI, the score for this piece is totally bonkers! Especially for the piano solo. You can hear that he is trying to negotiate multiple repeated notes some of which are accelerating and others ritarding AT THE SAME TIME! The piano part itself is so complex that it sometimes splits into 10 (ten) staves, one for each finger! Performed by the redoubtable Hiroaki Ooï, piano. What a performance! Thanks!
I love his calm, modest expression, throughout the whole performance, what a show! Gotta be _one of thee_ most brutal displays I've ever heard and or seen, truly a spectacle, to behold!
That cadenza must be insanely difficult to play! I really enjoyed this piece, I was glad I'd found a live performance of it. I also recommend Erikhthon.
i like how at 1:20, you see all the violins and the two basses in the back start playing on the underside of the bridge. xenakis was a genious. only him could've gotten stuff like this published. its surprisingly quite enjoyable to listen to...somehow.
Did Xenakis himself said you cant interpret this emotionally? I'm trying to do so, thinking of how Stravinsky could be so humoresque even in plain dissonance, because everybody seems to find dissonant music as 'hell music' at the most. I find this at times sad and at times hateful, and at times I cant find anything, but I still enjoy listening, its stimulating.
n order to understand this music u have to listen it not as "music" but as beautiful sounds like the sound of the sea the sound of the wind in your ears the sound of the rain the sound of the storm etc., because this "music" is beyond the traditional music and the traditional association of sound-emotion. This music implies mathematical calculation, and mathematics are just a abstraction of the nature. if u listen this music in the same way u listened mozart, for sure u will not understand it.
I'd like to hear it in actual performance to see whether it can actually be classified as "Music" rather than "Cacophony." At 1:08 it sounds like Vuvuzelas... and I think anyone could compose this kind of sound.
No existen canones de belleza musical universalmente aceptados. De existir tampoco serian estaticos,sino modulables acorde con nuevas formas de esteticismo. Hay quienes aceptan-de inmediato,o rechazan-ipsofacto- nuevas formas de expresion musical y se apegan solo a lo viejo conocido y aceptado. Pero esa si es una constante universal aplicable desde que el primer ermitaño comenzo a tañir una flauta rustica. Hay musica que requiere el paso del tiempo para su aceptacion . Es cuestion de tiempo.
@kippis321 I find this music appealing on both counts. Your analogy to meaning in a text explains your distaste very well. But when I listen, I am not listening for a text. I hear sounds, and an interplay of qualities within those sounds. In many ways these interplays sound almost traditional to my mind --- quite dramatic, in a musical sense. The contrasts from one sonic episode to another seem intentionally dramatic.
Expert in crap are you? how nice of you to share your deep, meaningful and elequently articulated opinions about this music. Your contribution to the debate is so well reasoned we will all keep it in the highest consideration
@CJSHM Well you see the point. Say I want to write a piece depicting the "pointless and disturbing nature of World Cup enthusiasm." Can't I use vuvuzelas in cacophony to express my idea? Hm?
They booed the 3rd symphony off the stage... the first movement alone was too much for most people in the audience because of its "extreme dissonance" and length. I imagine the modulation in the coda of the first movement must have sent a bunch of people packing. Beethoven dealt with this reality as well :)
But why hear numbers and not emotions? Its like writing poetry, passing it morse code and use it as rhythm for a piece. That rhythm isnt a projection of a humans soul, but its also not poetry anymore. Unless you tell people to hear it in morse, then the rhythm would bring up the semantics to mind. Its purely methodological, does that classify as music? Sounds not from ones ears and heart but from calculations. Like if you toss silverware methodologically based on some physicist theorem. 'Music'?
A meaningless stream of letters written down with a mathematical precision will have as little influence on me, as this orchestrated noise - no matter how beautiful the typeface and paper would be and how well a printer would perform printing. I don't believe that anyone can find this piece aesthetically or intellectually appealing. However, what is truly great to me, is that we humans can conceive such absurd ideas as serialism and by arguing about it, expand our experience of music
I can easily sleep to this music - get lost in the sounds and shapes, follow the multitude of repeated notes and their trajectories, etc... of course there are people who can "enjoy" it.
this is utterly satanic sounding...would make an excellent score for an avant garde horror film. :D i'm sure the pianist would be less than delighted to hear that :P
FYI, the score for this piece is totally bonkers! Especially for the piano solo. You can hear that he is trying to negotiate multiple repeated notes some of which are accelerating and others ritarding AT THE SAME TIME! The piano part itself is so complex that it sometimes splits into 10 (ten) staves, one for each finger! Performed by the redoubtable Hiroaki Ooï, piano. What a performance! Thanks!
I love his calm, modest expression, throughout the whole performance, what a show! Gotta be _one of thee_ most brutal displays I've ever heard and or seen, truly a spectacle, to behold!
That cadenza must be insanely difficult to play!
I really enjoyed this piece, I was glad I'd found a live performance of it. I also recommend Erikhthon.
Amazing piece, astounding performance. It's so wonderful that something of this magnitude is available on UA-cam. I wish I were there ...
Thanks a lot for posting this...probably the most excellent music on You Tube....
Thanks
カメラワークも良いし、本当に豊かな良い時代だったな、、、。井上道義さんのノモスガンマをもう一度聴きたいよ。。。
大井さんは本当にキレイな音出しそうな手をしてるよな～
i like how at 1:20, you see all the violins and the two basses in the back start playing on the underside of the bridge. xenakis was a genious. only him could've gotten stuff like this published.
its surprisingly quite enjoyable to listen to...somehow.
Great piece. I'm just now starting to get into Xenakis, but this definitely shows a great amount of genius. Thanks very much for posting this.
thank you so much! any xenakis videos, piano or not, are very appreciated!!!
Thank you Juan Pedroti for this. Viva Xenakis!!
When you put it like that, 10 staves! Xenakis rules!
FABULOUS!
The cadenza at 1:42 holy shit
@physphilmusic true... also, this would be so difficult to play! I play piano as a hobby, and also violin... this would be near impossible.
Not near, it is IMPOSSIBLE without simplification
@CJSHM I'd like to see you do it, if it's really ANYONE. Compose a Xenakis-ian piece for piano solo and full orchestra, let's see.
Did Xenakis himself said you cant interpret this emotionally? I'm trying to do so, thinking of how Stravinsky could be so humoresque even in plain dissonance, because everybody seems to find dissonant music as 'hell music' at the most. I find this at times sad and at times hateful, and at times I cant find anything, but I still enjoy listening, its stimulating.
marvelous sound creation
n order to understand this music u have to listen it not as "music" but as beautiful sounds like the sound of the sea the sound of the wind in your ears the sound of the rain the sound of the storm etc., because this "music" is beyond the traditional music and the traditional association of sound-emotion. This music implies mathematical calculation, and mathematics are just a abstraction of the nature. if u listen this music in the same way u listened mozart, for sure u will not understand it.
@CJSHM By the way, why can't Cacophony be used as part of Music???
I'd like to hear it in actual performance to see whether it can actually be classified as "Music" rather than "Cacophony." At 1:08 it sounds like Vuvuzelas... and I think anyone could compose this kind of sound.
Yeah, so? Anyone could compose a string chord as well, and no one complains
Посмотрите, насколько хорошо музыканты друг друга понимают!
viva! you said it!
No existen canones de belleza musical universalmente aceptados. De existir tampoco serian estaticos,sino modulables acorde con nuevas formas de esteticismo.
Hay quienes aceptan-de inmediato,o rechazan-ipsofacto- nuevas formas de expresion musical y
se apegan solo a lo viejo conocido y aceptado. Pero esa si es una constante universal aplicable desde que el primer ermitaño comenzo a tañir una flauta rustica. Hay musica que requiere el paso del tiempo para su aceptacion . Es cuestion de tiempo.
@kippis321 I find this music appealing on both counts. Your analogy to meaning in a text explains your distaste very well. But when I listen, I am not listening for a text. I hear sounds, and an interplay of qualities within those sounds. In many ways these interplays sound almost traditional to my mind --- quite dramatic, in a musical sense. The contrasts from one sonic episode to another seem intentionally dramatic.
If you like experiment in music, just try TACUARA NOD, available on youtube
Indeed: the darker side of "the ten thousand things"!
AGREED!!!
Expert in crap are you? how nice of you to share your deep, meaningful and elequently articulated opinions about this music. Your contribution to the debate is so well reasoned we will all keep it in the highest consideration
@CJSHM Well you see the point. Say I want to write a piece depicting the "pointless and disturbing nature of World Cup enthusiasm." Can't I use vuvuzelas in cacophony to express my idea? Hm?
rare piece
ピアニストすげえな
Death experienced through music.
Beethoven's later work was considered unlistenable and dissonant, probably considered beautiful by today's standards
Jajajajaja, true!
actually beethoven wrote sutff that was actually beautiful. Though i am curious how he would react, you could argue both ways
They booed the 3rd symphony off the stage... the first movement alone was too much for most people in the audience because of its "extreme dissonance" and length. I imagine the modulation in the coda of the first movement must have sent a bunch of people packing. Beethoven dealt with this reality as well :)
das kann einfach nicht wahr sein.
John Teddy Ist es aber... 😂
But why hear numbers and not emotions? Its like writing poetry, passing it morse code and use it as rhythm for a piece. That rhythm isnt a projection of a humans soul, but its also not poetry anymore. Unless you tell people to hear it in morse, then the rhythm would bring up the semantics to mind. Its purely methodological, does that classify as music? Sounds not from ones ears and heart but from calculations. Like if you toss silverware methodologically based on some physicist theorem. 'Music'?
sounds like a parody
A meaningless stream of letters written down with a mathematical precision will have as little influence on me, as this orchestrated noise - no matter how beautiful the typeface and paper would be and how well a printer would perform printing. I don't believe that anyone can find this piece aesthetically or intellectually appealing. However, what is truly great to me, is that we humans can conceive such absurd ideas as serialism and by arguing about it, expand our experience of music
I can easily sleep to this music - get lost in the sounds and shapes, follow the multitude of repeated notes and their trajectories, etc... of course there are people who can "enjoy" it.
this is utterly satanic sounding...would make an excellent score for an avant garde horror film. :D
i'm sure the pianist would be less than delighted to hear that :P