As someone who cares way more about the sound of a piece than its technical skill, I'd say that this one sounds surprisingly nice for such an experimentally challenging song.
@300musicmaster It just means having a great deal of pitch, rhythm, dynamic, etc., values already pre-determined before going to the score and actually composing the piece. There are many different ways to generate these values as "precomposition." Xenakis tends to use statistical and probabilistic principles to generate those values in his compositions.
Thanks for showing the "piano roll" for certain sections of piece, really highlights what Xenakis was doing. Very easy to compare these graphics with his score for "mycenae alpha." It is clear that he is working within a similar framework. Great job!!!
Yeah, speaking from experience, sometimes ya get tired of entering every single dynamic... sometimes there are musical details that require dynamic "intervention" by the interpreter, in order for an audience to hear those details. This doesn't mean the composer is "wrong," nor does it mean that the performer is necessarily "wrong"... it's just a musical decision made by the performer based on his or her experience.
But I think Xenakis want the pianist to play each note with significantly ppp-ffff , so we have to play ppp real smooth and ffff real loud. Pianist should play what the composer's want (in this case,Xenakis) , not following pianist heart If everybody want to follow pianist's heart to play, why the composer have to hardly write the articulation and save more time to not write that. Just sayin' tho.
@@collinstanujaya_pianist i think you need to differentiate whats on paper and what is practical reality. The pianist didnt do those ppp-fff, not because the pianist "felt like it", but its practically impossible to keep track of every single different dynamics of every single note. The pianist is just doing his/her best. Composers are not gods. Just because they put notes on paper, doesnt mean all notes are practical and playable, and performers just often do their best. Look at Ferneyhough's scores, none of his pieces are ever played precisely even by the best performers. When even the best performers cant manage to play the score precisely, it says a lot about the composers: pretentious
I think your graphic example of this work is probably the best representative way to understanding Xenakis's works. I do not unfortunately know too much about mathematics but I only know this is one of the driving forcing into Xenakis's music. I am honestly at awe at the composition process that had to go on in the making of this pieces and probably many others by Xenakis. At this point, the notes is worth every sound it produces. I wish to see more graphical analysis of Xenakis works. Just incredible overall and I think I just became an instant fan of his music now.
Thanks for providing the midi piano roll view. Clearly brings to light the arborescences. This piece has surprised me greatly by appearing to be quite lyrical and melodic more then focusing upon texture. I guess that is due to the nature of the instrument...
You said 'can only be approached by a human performer', I do not understand this. Is this piece even 'playable'? Imho it seems even more difficult than anything I have played by Liszt, Alkan (almost every piece from him) or Ravel. Studying maths I find this music amazing by the way! Thanks for uploading.
"Many of Xenakis's works may only be approached by a human performer, impossible to completely master (I know, I've tried)." I think he means that Xenakis's works may only be played by a human to an extent; a human can never master his works.
Gamma1734 I've heard a beautifuly near-to-perfection performacea in Prague that was realised by the Prague phillharmonia. The dynamics and performance were on the spot. Long story short, the whole room erupted with a sort of bursting energy. Perfect. Orgasm had nothing on this.
Gamma1734 if you have a look at for example the Page shown at 3:17 in the Video, you'll See that many of the chords are completely impossible to be played by a human unless this human can easily play a span of 2.5 octaves in 1 hand, which i doubt to exist... so the performer has to make decisions, which notes to play, which to play an octave or two lower/higher and which notes no leave out completely, as the original score is indeed impossible to play.
wonderfull, thank you very much for uploading it! but i think you pauses are to short.. for example: the one at 9:29 should be 10 seconds long, but it's only 5 in your interpretation or am I wrong?
Ah, so precomposition is deciding certain things before beginning a composition. So when you say Xenakis is not just a, but THE master of precomposition, you mean to say that he is excellent at deciding things before beginning to compose, is that it?
@@Qazwdx111 go listen to them and compare them to other classical pieces that are more normal. (Yes, some of them would work well as horror movie soundtracks or as part of horror movie promos or as Halloween-theme soundtracks to play.)
As someone who cares way more about the sound of a piece than its technical skill, I'd say that this one sounds surprisingly nice for such an experimentally challenging song.
@Christopher Bryce song
@@Qazwdx111 lmao
@300musicmaster
It just means having a great deal of pitch, rhythm, dynamic, etc., values already pre-determined before going to the score and actually composing the piece. There are many different ways to generate these values as "precomposition." Xenakis tends to use statistical and probabilistic principles to generate those values in his compositions.
Excellent work! And a great piece of music.
Thanks for showing the "piano roll" for certain sections of piece, really highlights what Xenakis was doing. Very easy to compare these graphics with his score for "mycenae alpha." It is clear that he is working within a similar framework. Great job!!!
i like how there's no difference between ppp and ffff
Yeah, speaking from experience, sometimes ya get tired of entering every single dynamic... sometimes there are musical details that require dynamic "intervention" by the interpreter, in order for an audience to hear those details. This doesn't mean the composer is "wrong," nor does it mean that the performer is necessarily "wrong"... it's just a musical decision made by the performer based on his or her experience.
But I think Xenakis want the pianist to play each note with significantly ppp-ffff , so we have to play ppp real smooth and ffff real loud. Pianist should play what the composer's want (in this case,Xenakis) , not following pianist heart
If everybody want to follow pianist's heart to play, why the composer have to hardly write the articulation and save more time to not write that.
Just sayin' tho.
@@collinstanujaya_pianist i think you need to differentiate whats on paper and what is practical reality. The pianist didnt do those ppp-fff, not because the pianist "felt like it", but its practically impossible to keep track of every single different dynamics of every single note. The pianist is just doing his/her best.
Composers are not gods. Just because they put notes on paper, doesnt mean all notes are practical and playable, and performers just often do their best. Look at Ferneyhough's scores, none of his pieces are ever played precisely even by the best performers.
When even the best performers cant manage to play the score precisely, it says a lot about the composers: pretentious
I think what you're hearing is simply the output of a MIDI file with no dynamics applies.
thank you for posting this with the score!
I like the almost melodic sections here and there. They're beautiful in an Eldritch sort of way.
thank you very much for uploadind this.
you did something really great.
I think your graphic example of this work is probably the best representative way to understanding Xenakis's works. I do not unfortunately know too much about mathematics but I only know this is one of the driving forcing into Xenakis's music. I am honestly at awe at the composition process that had to go on in the making of this pieces and probably many others by Xenakis. At this point, the notes is worth every sound it produces. I wish to see more graphical analysis of Xenakis works.
Just incredible overall and I think I just became an instant fan of his music now.
There are incredible parallels with this piece and Out Of Doors (Bartok), I wonder if anyone else would notice?
not me, can you show it? it's a good idea. The beginning is very rhyhmic.al like drums and flutes
yeah with this "piece" of hot steaming shit
Except for the fact that one can actually distinguish between right and wrong notes in "Out of Doors".
@@pmarq32 yes, to a certain extent
Thanks for providing the midi piano roll view. Clearly brings to light the arborescences. This piece has surprised me greatly by appearing to be quite lyrical and melodic more then focusing upon texture. I guess that is due to the nature of the instrument...
Amazing piece.
My gosh this sounds good
If Keith Emerson drank furniture polish it would be this.
Haha
thanks for posting!
LOL! I just love that nearly every, single, stupid note has its own dynamic marking!
Xenaxis and piano??? I´hd heard first. 1973 - rhthymycal a real Xenaxis... with his surprises too...,
a genuine percussion - composer!
fascinating !
bravo.thank you very much
coucou à ce qui viennent du cours sur Xenakis à p8 ;) bon travail à vous les amis
This is Xenakis's most beautiful piece!!!!
How distressing! 😎🎹
the comments are pretentious nonsense, but the music is quite fascinating.
^case in point
plekkchand let's generate some music with the comments...
MUSSICCCCCC
Lovely
You said 'can only be approached by a human performer', I do not understand this. Is this piece even 'playable'? Imho it seems even more difficult than anything I have played by Liszt, Alkan (almost every piece from him) or Ravel.
Studying maths I find this music amazing by the way! Thanks for uploading.
"Many of Xenakis's works may only be approached by a human performer, impossible to completely master (I know, I've tried)."
I think he means that Xenakis's works may only be played by a human to an extent; a human can never master his works.
Gamma1734 I've heard a beautifuly near-to-perfection performacea in Prague that was realised by the Prague phillharmonia. The dynamics and performance were on the spot. Long story short, the whole room erupted with a sort of bursting energy. Perfect. Orgasm had nothing on this.
Gamma1734 if you have a look at for example the Page shown at 3:17 in the Video, you'll See that many of the chords are completely impossible to be played by a human unless this human can easily play a span of 2.5 octaves in 1 hand, which i doubt to exist... so the performer has to make decisions, which notes to play, which to play an octave or two lower/higher and which notes no leave out completely, as the original score is indeed impossible to play.
I love it!
This is too out of this world.
Turning chromatic dissonance into an art form.
wonderfull, thank you very much for uploading it!
but i think you pauses are to short..
for example: the one at 9:29 should be 10 seconds long, but it's only 5 in your interpretation
or am I wrong?
In essence, this is a performance decision. Xenakis wasn't that anal...
Great video, thanks very much
very good
Xenakis is obviously not concerned about playability, but I find this piece quite accessible. More so than Herma.
Does anyone know where I can get hold of the MIDI file for this???
昔マリアンネ・シュレーダーに行ってこの曲は是非ともやれと！
8:52
Wonderful. Uncompromising.
what is recomposition- i have NEVER heard about it until now!
*precomposition
Great piece
AHA!
someone should only take the beginning of the song, and make another song instead. However, this whole piece is brilliant.
ほんとにこれを音楽だと言えるのがすごい、、
dope shit nigga
4:38
5 Staves for one pianist.
Ez
Ornstein and Sorabji using 6 moment
@@dzordzszs sonata 4
@@dzordzszs also at the end of his piano quintet
@@dzordzszs Epic
This might be Xenakis's most normal piece.
is this the minute waltz ??
What
@@GUILLOM it’s obviously sorabji’s 69th trascendental etude, “Nuviole Bianche” smh
Definitely
Les inconnus
演奏不可能の部分は奇形児に頼むか音を抜くしかない！
what is pre-composition?
Well, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precomposition.
Ah, so precomposition is deciding certain things before beginning a composition. So when you say Xenakis is not just a, but THE master of precomposition, you mean to say that he is excellent at deciding things before beginning to compose, is that it?
jaspernatchez I'm not the publisher of the video, but I sort of guess so.
Absolutely! better definition than I could come up with. delightful and wonderful!
jeez louise WAY too many chromatic scales and very monotonous rhythmically.
Bella e irritante.
I dont actually know if Xenakis is a pure genius or he just slamming the piano
He was a master of horror classical music composition
@@stalemateib3600 wdym by "horror"
@@Qazwdx111 lol. Iannis Xenakis's horror soundtracks: “Evryali,” “Terretektorh,” “Mists,” “Akéa,” “Keqrops,” “Nekuia,” “Horos,” and “Jonchaies.”
@@stalemateib3600 I don't understand, these pieces were used in some movies or you have opinion that these would be good horror movie soundtrack?
@@Qazwdx111 go listen to them and compare them to other classical pieces that are more normal. (Yes, some of them would work well as horror movie soundtracks or as part of horror movie promos or as Halloween-theme soundtracks to play.)
I think he just wrote random notes 😅😅😅
either the pianist hit the wrong note or a cat played this
lol go back listening to the Rolling Stones
Hehe, looks like you need to go back to listening to Minuet in G
Perhaps a combination of both?
🙀🎹💪